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Speaker 1: Oh, this is me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless,

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Speaker 1: severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening. Don't meet

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Speaker 1: e podcast. You can't predict anything, all right. We're recording

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Speaker 1: from the I seventy corridor in central Colorado? Is that cool? Yan?

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Speaker 1: That's cool? Yeah, we're in a place that that that.

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Speaker 1: Yanni is extremely nervous that someone will suss out where

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Speaker 1: we are. I feel like they could look up jannat

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Speaker 1: Pitels and just figure it out. Yeah, but don't tell him. Actually,

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Speaker 1: he'll getting nervous, sort of very secret location on the

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Speaker 1: I seventy corridor and um, you call through. You're still comfortable? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: far away from all Right, here's here's a hunt story

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Speaker 1: for you. Now. The hunt story starts out with me.

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Speaker 1: The prelude is me getting the big old buck. How'd

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Speaker 1: you like that, Brody? When I got that buck, that

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Speaker 1: was well, Brody liked it. I liked it a whole lot.

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Speaker 1: Then a couple of days later, Uh, we go out

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Speaker 1: too to uh try to find a buck for Yanni.

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Speaker 1: And I can't tell you that where we were and

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Speaker 1: go out and what happened. First we glassed up some

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Speaker 1: doughs mm hmm. Then we're also looking for an elk

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Speaker 1: for you looking for an elk. And then Yanni glasses

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Speaker 1: up a buck coming kind of down a cross below us.

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Speaker 1: We're up on a perch looking down into some aspen

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Speaker 1: groves and big meadows. And you said you first know

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Speaker 1: something's wrong with it. Yeah, Like his face just looks gnarly.

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Speaker 1: out as the buckets closer. He's got one regular antler,

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Speaker 1: and he's got one antler that is laid down. If

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Speaker 1: I saw, his auntler was sort of laying down across

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Speaker 1: the main beam was wrapping down around under his chin.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Now I have seen in the past, I've

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Speaker 1: seen bucks that had that would mess up their pedicles.

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Speaker 1: So the part of a deer, like the skull of

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Speaker 1: the deer, the thing that the that the antler protrudes

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Speaker 1: And I seem to hear that have damaged their pedicles

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Speaker 1: or just have a squirrely ant And I saw I

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Speaker 1: my old man used to when I was a little kid.

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Speaker 1: My old man was the was the local dude who

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Speaker 1: scored for Pope and Young and boot and Crockett whatnot.

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Speaker 1: that uhbody got hit by a car. Yeah, the I

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Speaker 1: When I was a little kid, I remember deer swam.

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Speaker 1: another law I broke a whole bunch of times. Is

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Speaker 1: it in Montana you weren't allowed to have road kill. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: be like, yes, I am guilty of salvaging. Yeah, making dear,

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Speaker 1: So here I am confessing my guilt. Yeah, Like, is

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Speaker 1: they want it? For what reason? They'll eat it? Really,

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Speaker 1: But if you're hitting them that hard, Like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was just saying that, you know, there's people out

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Speaker 1: How many miles have we walked to where we took

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Speaker 1: And Yanni really admires this guy because because of everything

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing it was. It was nappy time all across

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Speaker 1: probably have a little lunch and taken out. Tells Uh,

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Speaker 1: invites Yoanny to coming examine a pistol. He's got hitten

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Speaker 1: and uh, says the young Listen, You're welcome to hunt

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Speaker 1: tell you about a magical He didn't use the word magical.

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Speaker 1: A timber buck so big that you could use its

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Speaker 1: Yannie that it's even though Yann's walcome to stay on

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Speaker 1: change the subject um. The thing we get asked about,

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00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: like emails come in and people ask questions. And one

426
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: thing I think that comes up parnially, it comes up

427
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 1: often is the issue of physical fitness, hunting based physical fitness.

428
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about? Yes, sir? Now has

429
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: everyone in here? Has everyone? You're done yoga a couple

430
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: of times? How many? Like paid for it twice? But

431
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: I stretched a lot, which I feel like yoga stretch.

432
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: But you've paid, You've paid the stretch. No, I respect yoga. Good,

433
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: good answer. And there are thousand times been doing it

434
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: since I was eighteen, which back that not a lot

435
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: of dudes doing the yoga. So you're establishing that you

436
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: were doing yoga before yoga was cool, but you were

437
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: doing it to meet chicks, and you admitted that you

438
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: took that's you said you did it to me back battle.

439
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: I mean, there were some nice looking ladies doing the

440
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: yoga back then, but now that's not the place. A

441
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: lot of guys doing yoga. I mean generally half the

442
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: classes that I'm in, I mean half the class as men. Yeah,

443
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: nearly half. I've been to yoga four times, so I

444
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: have like a level of expertise about on the subject.

445
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: You're speaking like, you're no my wife either. My wife

446
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: likes to go. We have date nights and my wife

447
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: likes to go that she she wants me to go

448
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: with her to yoga and she wants me then we

449
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: go to dinner. So four times. We do other things too,

450
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: But this is one of the things in our repertoire.

451
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: Four times we've gone. Now where she goes, it's one

452
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: four degrees in the room, so it's how does ship? Yeah,

453
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: like tropical, tropical dark, mostly dark. Yeah, you go in there,

454
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: it's harming four degrees everybody, you lay down, you're already.

455
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: You don't have anything, euts for my swim trunks. You

456
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: don't have any shoes, pants, nothing, just I I going

457
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: west slim trunks and you lay down on a mat

458
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: and they kind of build you up, they invite you to,

459
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: They build you in a way. That doesn't work for me,

460
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: but I think it works for some people where they

461
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: they invite you to, they want you to. They like

462
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: want you to thank yourself for going to yoga. That's

463
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: not true. Well, I'm not into that part of it,

464
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: but they do. But out the one man, there's like

465
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: it's like flavors, ice cream, yoga like that, you know,

466
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about the place everybody. My wife does

467
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: a lot of different flavors and some are more spiritual based,

468
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: some are pretty just physical. Yeah. So they tell you

469
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: to build you up. They tell you they're like, they're like, uh,

470
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: trying to think of an example. No, no, this is

471
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: be honest, this is like something they would actually say.

472
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: They say, you know, leave the world, be be the

473
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: change the world will be waiting for you. Yeah, you

474
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: owe it to the people in your life who rely

475
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: on you to take a moment for yourself and thank

476
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: yourself and dedicate this session to yourself. Right, Yeah, and

477
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: then they'll be like, now, take your heel and bring

478
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: it up so it touches your nose, I mean, and

479
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: hold it there for an hour, right, And if you can't,

480
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: don't worry, just do what feels you. Know that you

481
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: can always come back to a comfortable position, not put

482
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: your pinky toe around to the back of your skull

483
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: while standing on one ft, Right, can you proceed to

484
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: stretch your ass off for ninety minutes? They play really

485
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: bad music. They wouldn't need to like there's good Like

486
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: you can play the national or in some rate and

487
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: select radio headcuts and have the same effect. But they'll

488
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: go with like a you Yeah, they need to they

489
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: need to move towards the indie radio heads. And you

490
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: know how like they have in square dances, like a

491
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: person that calls square dance like grab your partner dosi.

492
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: Though there's like the lady like that wanders around sort

493
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: of in this loud whisper calling the session trying to

494
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: inspire people. No, she's like calling square dance, but calling

495
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: like the next stretches you're gonna do encouraging or calls

496
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: like okay, we're gonna do with this that we're gonna

497
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: do that. Take a take a step step back. The

498
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: fact that there's talking about the benefits and there's a

499
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: group of of of hunting guys talking about their yoga

500
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: experiences right now. Yeah, how are we circling to hunting fitness?

501
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: I think that because I think that after my four

502
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: times and after Yanni's experience, but she's gonna touch on

503
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: I think that it is one of the I think

504
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: it's a great thing to do for hunting fitness. But

505
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: you've only done it four times? Are you going to

506
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: continue to do it? I have enough experience with physical

507
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: activity and stuff that I think, Yeah, I'm starting to

508
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: really think so. I think as far as injury prevention,

509
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: as far as slinking through the woods and crawling under

510
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: and over all kinds of garbage like hole known comfortable

511
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: positions and just being like comfortable. But are you gonna

512
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: go pay to do it? Are you just gonna do

513
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: it at home? I think we pay to do it.

514
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know how to do it at home because

515
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: you need the lady to call it. Yeah, you need

516
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 1: you need a little guy like you can I mean,

517
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: obviously you can go to YouTube and do yeah. I

518
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: mean that's how saying because you're in a hot room

519
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: full of people. My wife, My wife does it all

520
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: the time with apps and ship like that. Four degrees. No,

521
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: it's it's helpful having somebody to tell you to do

522
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: something you don't want to do. And then and then

523
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: when you really don't want to do it anymore, they're

524
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: still telling you keep doing it. It's no, they're telling you, hey,

525
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: if you can't do it, it's cool, go back to it.

526
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: Happen but then there's some person to the right of

527
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: you that is just killing and so you're like, I

528
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: got to prove to them that I it's also helpful

529
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: when you've paid to do it, because when you're invested in, yeah,

530
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: the kind of guy, Like if I paid to get

531
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: in there and it turned out they were just gonna

532
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: beat my fingers with a hammer, I will still stay right.

533
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: Like you commit. It's like going to see a shitty movie, right,

534
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: You're gonna watch till the end. That bring this up.

535
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: It's like in hunting, if you pay attention to hunt me,

536
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: there's a big thing of like, uh, we're dudes are

537
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: trying to get their neck out past their ears. Big yeah.

538
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: And so it has something to do with hunting, lifting

539
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: weights and like like that. A one time they were there,

540
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: honestly got five minutes into the hike, they tip over.

541
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: They tip over. Yeah. I would say that one physical

542
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: trade of all of us is pretty skinny up her bodies,

543
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Like our legs are all pretty strong. Maybe it was

544
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: just checking his bicep to but there I feel like

545
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: there's I feel like there's a lot of dudes out

546
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: there that, like, on the surface, earned way better shape

547
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: than me. But if you go do the ship that

548
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: we do, they just collapse mentally. It was a kind

549
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: of fitness. Like people think that in shape means that

550
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: your next wider than your ears, right, But it's like

551
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: in shape for what, Like if you are in a

552
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: lot of fights, like if you Corey, if you're getting

553
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: a lot of like, yeah, it'd be like, yes, you're

554
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: in shape, but like in shape means to be it

555
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: needs to be sort of like in shape for what thing. Yeah,

556
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 1: And I think that if you were gonna just based

557
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: on limited experience and when I'm home, like I get

558
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: a lot of cardio in honey, when I'm home, I

559
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: do weights and exercises stuff. But I'm starting to think

560
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: that the real thing rather than trying to be like

561
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: a thick neck you know. Um, I think that being

562
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: all limber and stuff like that totally. What's your thoughts

563
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, I know you're a real advocate of yoga. Yeah,

564
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I just had to re up my usually

565
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 1: buy a ten pack pass. The costs me I think

566
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: seventy five bucks and I think I just bought my

567
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: fifth one, so I'm up to forties. Some classes in

568
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: the last you know, year, so maybe a year and

569
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: a half. And um, I also think it builds some

570
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: core strength. It's in me, but not in a way

571
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: that like pumping iron, will you know what I mean,

572
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Like it's a different kind of well, I think it's

573
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: a different way to get to a similar result, similar

574
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: and product. I think it's more effect when when like

575
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: in our class, a lot of times we'll have like

576
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: a ten minutes session when you've kind of done all

577
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: the stretching and and the kumbaya stuff. Kills me, it

578
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: kills my wife. My wife's like, let's go down with

579
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: let's go down with it. Like is that like it's

580
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: it's a real mental challenge because they we always talk

581
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: about like staying in the moment, and like when the

582
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: teacher and in our classes, they're like, you want to

583
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: basically be concentrating on what you're doing and you're breathing

584
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: and that's it. So if you have thoughts coming into

585
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: your head, like what you're gonna be doing at work,

586
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: because I also go like in the middle of the

587
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: day at two pm, really and so I'm thinking and

588
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: oftentimes I'm like, Okay, what am I gonna do with

589
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: the last hour and a half of my day before

590
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: I go home. And so it's a real good challenge

591
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: for me to say, you know what, don't think about

592
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: that right now. You need to be thinking about your

593
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: reading and like what you're trying to do here right now,

594
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: and just stay in the moment. Let those thoughts come

595
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: in and then go come in and go like, don't

596
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: because if you I feel like, if you're sitting there

597
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: for five minutes being like, yeah, then I'm gonna write

598
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: the do this and maybe do some receipts and some

599
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: reimburrassments and right a budget for the next episode, and

600
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shit, you know, I'm not doing yoga anymore. Um.

601
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: So I like that aspect of it, you know, like

602
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: it is like leave the outside world, focus on what

603
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: you're doing there at the moment um. Yeah, that's that's

604
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: what turned me off to it, And what still turns

605
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: me off to is I'm a secular person, So I

606
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: don't like the um. I don't like them sort of

607
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: laying on you an Eastern mysticism, a mystical aspect, because

608
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't think and I know that they would say

609
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: that's all one of the same, Like the Eastern mysticism

610
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: is what makes the exercise is good. But I think

611
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: that you could be doing all that and they could

612
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: be saying, I want you to think of the nastiest

613
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: devil person doing the most horrible thing to someone else,

614
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: and and and fill your brain with that thought and

615
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: do all those exercises, and your body would come out

616
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: the same. Like, I don't think your body cares that

617
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: you're doing weird Eastern mysticism in your head while doing

618
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: the exercises. But I would like to have a yoga place.

619
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: I don't know much about it. They don't do mental masturbation.

620
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: They don't do like that you're pretending to Eastern the

621
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: the truth to be told becrum, which is a pretty

622
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: popular form that's the hot yoga. Like my wife, it's

623
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: like it's like a franchise. Is he the criminal, Yeah,

624
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: he's a criminal. He's a molester, molester for sure. Accused,

625
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: But I don't I mean I would I would be

626
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: comfortable saying, well, you know, and accused molester. Yeah, but

627
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: certainly Uh. One of the kind of profit type personalities

628
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: where he thinks he has some sort of yes in yoga,

629
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: but he plays that. He created a serious of postures

630
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: that I think are pretty damn good. And there's very

631
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: little in his dialogue which is copyrighted, which is basically

632
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: all the It's like Starbucks. It's the Starbucks of yoga.

633
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: You go there and you know exactly what you're gonna get.

634
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a teacher that it just comes

635
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: up with whatever they feel they want to do, because

636
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: you know they're twenty years old, and this is a

637
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: good idea. But it's a set of postures in a

638
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: series in a specific order. Um and there's very little

639
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: spiritual uh component to it. And and hata yoga is

640
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: a physical type yoga. But is it even yoga if

641
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: there's not a mind body connection. I mean, that's that's

642
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: the whole thing, right, It's just body. It's calisthenics basically.

643
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean the history of yoga, modern yoga is basically

644
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: amalgamation of calisthenics and some some historic like spiritual practices

645
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: all meshed together. I mean, the yoga that we think

646
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: of is like the one that that America, I don't know,

647
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: found out about in the six years or seventies. It

648
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: was like a colonial combination of in India. But but

649
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: there was like Western influences of military calisthenics and like aerobics,

650
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: and I mean it's it's not as simple to say

651
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, the practice that we're doing now in

652
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: the yogas woo you you go to you was like

653
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: some two thousand year old yoga practice. Yeah it's new.

654
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: It's like a California roll. I mean, yeah, it's just

655
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: not that old. Yeah. So, and it all seems to

656
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: me it seems like no brainer that there is a

657
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: mind body connection that doesn't seem like but you're also

658
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: trying to commercialize very basic religious physical But in our

659
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: modern lives we do a lot of activities that are

660
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 1: not very good for us. Sitting at computers all day long, um,

661
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: and so doing doing it, doing something where you have

662
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: to be uncomfortable kind of think within yourself, it seems

663
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: like a religious part. No, no, I dig the physical component,

664
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: Like you are uncomfortable. They were telling you to do

665
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: something uncomfortable and say like, embrace that discomfort, continue to

666
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: do it and don't free out. Yeah. I like that.

667
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: The room is hot as I mean, is it's hot,

668
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: and you want like you walk in there and you're

669
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: like can I can I leave now? And there are

670
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: people people not freaking out, breathing under no breathing, and

671
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: understanding that your body will tell you to freak out

672
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: because you're not used to something. But that does not

673
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: mean that you are not able to cope with that stimulus.

674
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: You just you can. You can control your body's response

675
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: to things like what you're saying, because I will oftentimes

676
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: I think that that that diving in very cold water.

677
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: You're getting very cold water, and and there's way like

678
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: if you're free diving and there's like bad waves and

679
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of stuff going on. You tend

680
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: to be like, all of a sudden, realize that I'm

681
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: freaked out for no reason, just like the atmosphere, the circumstances.

682
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm in this water, Like your whole life, you try

683
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: and like not to be in cold water. Right, you

684
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: turn the shower on, you keep sticking your hand in

685
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: there to make sure that when you get in there

686
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: it's not like that. And you get in it, and

687
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: I feel myself also, I'll catch myself like why am

688
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: I freaked out? Just calm down, Yeah, calm down, and

689
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: it's not a problem. Breath is a big component to it,

690
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: and breath is a big component to yoga. And I

691
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: think of you guys hustling towards animals, like full aerobic threshold,

692
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: breathing hard, and then you have to take a shot

693
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: and you have to control your breath. And that's that's

694
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: something you can practice. Uh, it's like overcoming this like

695
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: physical discomfort, calming yourself down. It's like this. It's uh,

696
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: it's it's a mind body connection where you're saying, I'm

697
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: freaking out right now because I just ran up this

698
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: mountain and there's this buck I've been looking for for

699
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: six days of investment in all this like existential stuff

700
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: is coming into play, but you just have to like

701
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: like chill. Yeah, I had that hand to me the

702
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: other night where after we shot the Bark and it

703
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: was getting dark and it was hard to get over

704
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 1: to where the buck was to go down a big

705
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: hell hole. Should we start with the whole buck story

706
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: from the beginning of then I got I got something.

707
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: I gotta the portions of it. Well, it's amazing story

708
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: portions of it. So we get onto a w before

709
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: we get off to the yoga thing, because I put

710
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: yoga and CrossFit in the same category. It's like it's

711
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: getting good at something in order to be good at it. No, no,

712
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: but doing something simulating something to get good at something

713
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: that you actually apply. And it's like, why don't people

714
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: like CrossFit and yoga. It's like, I'm gonna do these

715
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: things that will make me better than outdoors? Why not

716
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: just go spend time in the outdoors If you have

717
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: spare time, I don't go bike in climbing. Like it's

718
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: like you're in this controlled environment trying to be comfortable

719
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: in stress. Why not go Like if you have time

720
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: to do an hour of yoga session, go on a height,

721
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: go on a run. Observed, my brother observed, the only

722
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: thing cross fit makes you good at is CrossFit. Yeah,

723
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: And that's that's all activities, right, All activities are inherently

724
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: activity specific, like like the brain games, like all the

725
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, crossword puzzles, like to increase your mental acuity

726
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: or whatever. Most studies points to the fact that you

727
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: just get better doing crossword puzzles. But there is cross

728
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: training is effective and if you just all go cross trains,

729
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: if you just if you run all day long, every day,

730
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: that's all you're gonna be good at. You you know,

731
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: you usually you often get injured, and so it's a

732
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: way of still exercising, recovering, and gaining some new like

733
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: and all of us endurance athlete hiker types or hamstrings

734
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: are like so incredibly just taught very Yanni's proud now

735
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: that he can touch his toes, but it was probably

736
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: a new dude, I can lay my hands flat on

737
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: the floor. No, but you guys are missing my point.

738
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: It's like, get outside. No, I'm anxiously want I still

739
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: badly want to get back to your point. But but Rick,

740
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to You got a diverse, diverse fire outside

741
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: in an uncontrolled set. Yes, to your point. I'll say

742
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: that I'll lead it off. I say this. I have

743
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: an acquaintance who's a very very accomplished mountaineer, and he'll

744
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: have things where he's gonna go do something and he'd

745
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: be like, you know, you should know before we go

746
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: do this. Oh no, no, no, I do cross fit.

747
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: So climbing this four ft peak, you cry, we get

748
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: these rocks. If you carry the rocks around, um, keep

749
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: our score on a chalkboard. And then they're like, do

750
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: you mean it's like not, the best way to train

751
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: for hunting is to put a thirty pound pack on

752
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: your back and go walk around where you're gonna hunt,

753
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: not like, oh I'm ready for hunting season. Been hitting

754
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: the stairmasters. Yeah, like the heads yea. With anything at

755
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: all oversifying nature, you can. Yeah, but a lot of

756
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: people have like these, you know, weird scheduled lives that

757
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: we basically don't purtect better nothing. It's all better than nothing.

758
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: It's not the thing. There's there's two When when I'm

759
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: gonna take a new person on a rug and hunt,

760
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: I tell them two things. Get your boots and break

761
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: them in and get in shape. They never do either

762
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: of those things. There's no get your boots broken in

763
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: or warm? How many times don't like the people will

764
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: not do those two things. There's no way ninety minutes

765
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: across fit for or five days a week prepares whatever

766
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: it is. There's no way it prepares you for a

767
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: sixteen hour day of looking for deer, hiking for deer,

768
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: running after deer, and being mentally drained the entire day.

769
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: Like there's yeah, there's there's nothing. Nothing but it will

770
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: give you if you already have some endurance space, it'll

771
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: it'll help you in some Yeah, you can't go do that.

772
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like if you're out of shape athlete

773
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: and hiking all over the place, and then you're in

774
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: CrossFit for two months and you haven't hiked once and

775
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: you go hiking. You're gonna feel fine, but you can't

776
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: transition from basic CrossFit to go. This is the thing.

777
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: It's like, it's any of the endurance things. It's like

778
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: if you just lift weights and you expect to like go,

779
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, A big game not gonna happen. A

780
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: walk got to be a nature. It's low intensity for

781
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: long hours, sidehill and falling down. Is it hard to

782
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: It's hard? Walking? Yeah, walk it's hard. It depends for

783
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: how long. Walking isn't like a pretty kind of walking.

784
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: This kind of hunt entails. The only reason I know

785
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: it's hard because so many people fail so miserably at it.

786
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: I know, But is it hard for you because you've

787
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: been doing it for a really exactly, that's what you

788
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: gotta do. That's like, that's kind of one of the

789
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: things I was gonna get. A's like, what do you

790
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: do to stay in shape? Or hunting? It's just like

791
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: you kind of hunt stay in shape hunting when I'm

792
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: home and if I'm not gonna hunt for a week,

793
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: or I'm not gonna be on the woods or mountains

794
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: for a week, then I'll do weights. I don't know why,

795
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: but if you had the opportunity, I mean, you're obligated

796
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: in other realms, but if you had opportunity, you would

797
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: go out and you know, go up to a peak

798
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: or something. But I can't go. That's not something I'm

799
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: gonna go do for an hour now. But for just

800
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: just a performance perspective, like if a sprinter just a

801
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: hundred yard hundred meter dash, just run a hundred, they're

802
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: not going to be very good at it. They have

803
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: to do all sorts of different types of training. They

804
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: do very short things, very long things, weights, Like you

805
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: got to optimize your specific activity, you have to do

806
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: other things. But I think a huge point that's being

807
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: overlooked here is like the mental aspect of it. Like

808
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: you gotta know that you're gonna like it's gonna be

809
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: a shitty day, Like you're gonna hurt, you're gonna fall down,

810
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna be sore, you're gonna be tired, like shapeage,

811
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 1: if you're gonna spook animals. If you don't know that

812
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: going into it, then you're just it doesn't matter how

813
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: good to shape you're in. I feel like that's a

814
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: real good point. Mental yeah, yeah, if you're not able

815
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: to do it. That's why there's two things I was

816
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: gonna talk about. I was gonna mention, what's wrong on almos?

817
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,399
Speaker 1: Look like you're in pain? You honest, he is, He's

818
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: not mentally disfocused on his pain. Someone saying something you

819
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: just don't like legs and lungs. Our friend, Rourke denver Um,

820
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: he ran the for for a period in his career.

821
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: He ran the Buds program, so it's the the like

822
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: the elimination course for the Navy Seals. He ran. That

823
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: program is obviously extremely yea mentally physically. He said, Oh,

824
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: we're looking for We're just looking for those people who

825
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: cannot who cannot quit. He says, there's probably many ways

826
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: to find them. We find them through the application of

827
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: cold water and PT. He says, you could find the

828
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: same people, you know, with hot water or whatever. It's

829
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: like you're just looking for the guy that won't quite

830
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: other other military disciplines. It's just like we're gonna put

831
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: a ton of weight in your backpack and you are

832
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: just going to walk. You can eat as much as

833
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: you'd like, You're just going to walk and we will

834
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 1: then find the couple percent of you who cannot quit.

835
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: Another funny thing he said to me was I was

836
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: asking how they do push ups there, and he said,

837
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: you can do them however you want. You're gonna do

838
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: five thousand them today. Uh. It is it's that endurance,

839
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: that pain tolerance, the the people with no quitting them. Yeah,

840
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: and there is some physiological things going on too, I

841
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: believe so. I believe so, But I think that a

842
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: big part of like, yeah, to bring a full circle,

843
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: I take a big part of hunting fitness, and I'm

844
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: talking about like very demanding, kind of like wilderness type hunting.

845
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Um is just finding it in you too, be calm

846
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: and stressed. So it's like it gets dark. I'll say, there,

847
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: we got this buck. I found myself stressed for a minute.

848
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: Like by the time I got over, I shot it.

849
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: With twelve minutes I legal shooting light left. By the

850
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: time I got over to where it was, I couldn't

851
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: find it. Knew I knew I had a good hit.

852
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't even figure out where it was because I

853
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: had to cross the canyon to get over there. And

854
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's dark now, and there's and

855
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: just like creating problems in my head. It's gonna be

856
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: so late by the time whatever, and just be like

857
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: just catch yourself, because I see sometimes people don't catch themselves. Well.

858
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: I remember one time we got a little bit turned

859
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: around the Arctic and a guy I was took honting,

860
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: it was his first hunting tripever just took off into

861
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: the night. He got so freaked out about where we

862
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: were headed that he just got in his head in

863
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: some direction and just went and he like had a

864
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: panic attack. I think that's a big part of it.

865
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I think a big probably too, just like haven't been

866
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: the just like that that uh, trying not to quit. Yeah,

867
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: like you got like halfway or three quarters of the

868
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: way up in the mountain when you're like this sucks.

869
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: You need to be able to look up and be like, Okay,

870
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: I just gotta keep walking, no big deal. I was

871
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: talking to an old man one time after I was

872
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: at the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation thing and in Las Vegas,

873
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: and I was talking to old man. He's a very

874
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: accomplished a big game hunter, and you know he did

875
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot of sheep hunting, and we got to talk

876
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: about the demands of sheep hunting, and I kind of

877
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: like veered the conversation toward aspects of physical fitness, and

878
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: it made him uncomfortable, and he said, really, it just

879
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: kind of comes down to putting one ft in front

880
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: of the other. Yeah, it's a project. I look at

881
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: this a project. But I will say, like when you're

882
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: hunting with other dudes or chicks or whatever, like it

883
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: can be tough because like we might be on the

884
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: same like level of mental and physical ability, but like

885
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: there's no way I can walk up a hill quite

886
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: as fast as you're honest, because it's freaking stride is

887
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 1: like five times longer, you know what I mean. Like

888
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: he was, um, no, he wasn't going too fast tonight.

889
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: He's creeping normally the eagles is um faster than but

890
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: to not. I kept kind of bumping into him. But

891
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, when you hunt was

892
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: even if you hunt with someone who's in shape, like

893
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: you still might not be on the same timing, you

894
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Yeah, like you're gonna get there

895
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: when you get there, But yeah, the eagles a fast walk.

896
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: Everyone has their strengths. My final thought here on the

897
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: yoga why do you hate this conversation so much? I

898
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: don't hate it all. I feel like I really enjoy it.

899
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking about the next time I'm when we

900
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: go to my yoga class. We're gonna we're gonna go together.

901
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: We're going. Yeah, okay, so when you're there, we're gonna go.

902
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: But do you really enjoy just doing yoga? I want

903
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: to get better at doing yoga? But this hunting season,

904
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I felt as good, good as I've ever maybe not ever,

905
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: maybe not as as I felt. And I was twenty

906
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: and elk hunt for the first time, but like in

907
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: a long time, just like it's like, it's not it's

908
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: not like hunting. Do you feel like you were in

909
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: better shape when you were twenty? No way, Well I

910
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: was probably still smoking cigarettes at twenty, but would smoke

911
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: my twenty year old self just drinks? Yeah, I think, yeah,

912
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, sorry, go ahead. It just surprised me you

913
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: because I we're in there. I was like, I quit

914
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and I got in a pretty good shay

915
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: if I started running, you know, a veil half drinking

916
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: quite so much? Yeah, right, but I was gonna say.

917
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: It's like the the things that like, even if you

918
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: went hunting more and try to replicate it and you're like,

919
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and train the hunt today on

920
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: the mountain with a backpack on and I'm gonna sneak

921
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: up on deer, You're still just not gonna put yourself

922
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: somehow in those positions that you actually do when you're hunting.

923
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: It's like it just be almost too hard to like

924
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: mentally be like, oh, right now, I'm gonna act like

925
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: I got into some deer and get down on my

926
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: knees and then kind of go halfway down and just

927
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: kind of sitting there on the side of this mountain

928
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: like this with my knees stuck on a rock fifteen

929
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: minutes and that's good night. I'd be like I'm gonna

930
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: go train on the mountain to hunt. But that's where

931
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: yoga I feel like, yes, in these positions when I'm like, oh,

932
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: my names and I'm like, okay, it's gonna I gotta

933
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: sit here, because if I if I do like this,

934
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: they're gonna see me. I'm gonna get up on like

935
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, like lift my head up another foot. She's

936
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: gonna see my head or whatever. Those are the kind

937
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: of like things that were Yo. I'm like, man, I

938
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: feel great doing this right now. I've been stuck in

939
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: this position for forty minutes and I'm not like in

940
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: pain or stressing about it that I need to move

941
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: my leg. So I get that. Yeah, what else big

942
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: Bucks and little Bucks? You want to talk about big

943
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: Bucks a little Bucks? What about coyotes too? Oh yeah,

944
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: Two times this week we had coyotes coming run off

945
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: or her ass run off, or her ass and or

946
00:57:54,800 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: her ass box we were looking at. One was yeah,

947
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: go ahead, Well one interesting bark, the smart the very

948
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 1: interesting buck just let everyone else go and stood still

949
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: for an hour. He was in a little aspen grove

950
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: with a bunch of dolls. I don't know how many

951
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: dolls came out of there. Eight The eagle glasses up.

952
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: Three coyotes coming down the mountain, charging down the mountain,

953
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: says they're gonna go into that asp and pass for

954
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: all the d Are deer come out of there? I

955
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: likened it to squeeze in the two two just do

956
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: your started shooting out of the ask patch. And there's

957
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: a buck we were watching and there knew he was

958
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: in there. A good one stands up next son of

959
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: a bitch would not move the stock still. He's like,

960
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be running out here all excited getting

961
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: shot at by guns. I like where I'm gonna stay.

962
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: I'm brushed out and let the ladies run around, and

963
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: I am not moving because dudes that move get shot at.

964
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: The Kayats moved through, stood for a while, longer, ever longer,

965
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: back down, and then laid right back down even though

966
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: all the ladies had left. The bast and patch cleaned out. Yeah,

967
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: they came back to him a couple couple, but it

968
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: cleaned out, and he was like weighing. That's how big

969
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: box get big. He's weighing in his mind, like what's worse,

970
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: I'll stomp that Coy's like, they're all running. I'm not

971
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: gonna expose myself in the middle of the day, because

972
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: what coyote gonna go after a running deer? More than

973
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: likely later we got to see the same bar Brody

974
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: two times, the same buck where we saw him see

975
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: a person, in this case Brody, no fault brodies some

976
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: dolls to run around getting all excited. He just very

977
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 1: kind of like slowly, not a lot of hub ub

978
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: just kind of crept out of the area, no hopping

979
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: and jumping around, sticking his head up. He's just like, yeah,

980
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: that was a smart buck. Yeah you see, Like watching him,

981
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: you go like, that's how you become six years old

982
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: with all manner, people all trying to kill you. But

983
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: Kyote round number two is kind of a completely different situation.

984
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: What played his cards completely differently. Yeah, he was just

985
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: with those dose those dose booked. He was with eight

986
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: or nine dolls, coyotes coming rolling through the dose all

987
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: books spill off the hill a couple minutes later for

988
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: drift back around right where they came from, but not him. Yep,

989
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: that buck decided that it was worthwhile to go to

990
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: a new area to just be away from the act

991
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah. I didn't go far, went to

992
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 1: where he could just watch stuff happening. I felt like,

993
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: it's good, it's funny to watch that, like the gears

994
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: turning in the yad Man assessing risks in Arctic Dreams,

995
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 1: Barry Lopez has a he's talking about polar bearer, how

996
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: long polar bearer can live, and he has line in

997
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: there where he says that, um, some if the bear

998
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: doesn't make any mistakes twenty five years. That's impressive. Yeah,

999
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 1: And I just thought it was like a good way

1000
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: of putting it. If he doesn't make any mistakes, it

1001
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: learns not to make mistakes, doesn't make mistakes. Do you

1002
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: make mistakes? What's I mean a big buck? What's their

1003
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: long terms? Ancient? But like and if they weren't going

1004
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 1: to get shot, what's their life expects? See in the wild. Now,

1005
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: I can tell you this not nearly as long as females,

1006
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: because they run themselves to ragged. So you have like

1007
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: twenty year old cow elk turn it up all the time,

1008
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: a ten year old bulls very old. No like doll

1009
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: sheep again, you can have used eighteen nineteen years old.

1010
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: A ram tends to go very quickly from being top

1011
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: dog to dead dog. I think the man deplete themselves.

1012
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: It's not it's okay to say not getting shot at,

1013
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: but I think it's important to add on to that

1014
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: that It's like, you know, we always talk about like

1015
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: hunter mortality, you know, getting shot at like such a

1016
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: small percentage of why these animals are dying, you know,

1017
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: at these at any age. But like like you're saying,

1018
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: they wear themselves ragged and so they're more susceptible to

1019
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, starvation, preda and predation, you know, and so

1020
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: a lot like wolves and Yellowstone. They're always taking it

1021
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: down big worn down bulls. Absolutely, yeah, I will find

1022
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: it like lions target. Lions will target run it out slow,

1023
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: and I imagine it's I mean, it's very probably closely

1024
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: related a big Bucks that's in his prime and Bucks

1025
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: that's about well prime and over the hill or right,

1026
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I think it's seven or eight

1027
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 1: year old Neil. Their buck is ancient and they don't

1028
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: have like a retirement. They don't have like, oh, look

1029
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: at those young bucks off chasing ladies, remember those days.

1030
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: It's like last year was a really good year and

1031
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: now I'm dead. I think that would go for humans

1032
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 1: if you like a good twenty years. And then there's

1033
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: like the special old horse pasture and you're always like,

1034
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: what are those horses like? Yeah, they're like they did

1035
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: their work. Now they just get to live out their

1036
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: days on that pass because they closed all the slaughter facilities.

1037
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: But we also got to see we also got to

1038
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,479
Speaker 1: see a lot of cool young buck behavior too, which

1039
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: is you know the thing that Brodon I were talking

1040
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: about is um The thing I like hunting milder. In

1041
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: open countries, you see so much body language, social interactions

1042
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: with the animals, so you'll get to view them for

1043
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: a long time. Something you mentioned last night, Brodie, after

1044
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: that close encounter with the dough and two fonds, is

1045
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: that their vocal interaction that Yeah, yeah, a lot of

1046
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 1: people I may not know it. I mean, I'm sure

1047
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: Steve and Janice have heard it. But if you're real

1048
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: close to them and it's a quiet day, they talk

1049
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: to each other a lot, like little grunts and muse

1050
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: and stuff. And people don't think a deer is like

1051
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: a vocal animal, but I've heard a lot where a

1052
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: dough talks to her fonds and it's cool if you're

1053
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,560
Speaker 1: close enough to hear it. And one of his turkey

1054
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: hunting taps, Will Primo talks about with turkeys because there's

1055
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: all the sounds, you know, because it's some about when

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01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: you just sit and have turkeys come by, they're they're

1057
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: making all kinds of noises, but not noises that carry

1058
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: at all. But when you're super close to me, you

1059
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: realize they're constantly carrying yeah, like like in all like

1060
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 1: in audible to you like you're not gonna hear it

1061
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: on the right there, you realize, like, man, they are

1062
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: just communicating I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here

1063
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: to each other, you know. And then the body language too,

1064
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: like we saw those spawns like bigger and with each

1065
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: other and getting nasty with she with each other, and

1066
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: the the young bucks nose and the does and the

1067
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 1: does not paying attention to him, the big bucks chasing

1068
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: does and giants. Certain The thing I like a lot

1069
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: is when you're glad when you glass up some deer

1070
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: that you locate other deer based on you'll you'll realize

1071
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: the dear is there that you cannot see based on

1072
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: the tension in the group of deer when a new

1073
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: deer is coming. The buck I shot today, the dough

1074
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: stepped into a little opening that was a deer's body

1075
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,439
Speaker 1: with wide and she turned around and looked down the hill,

1076
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: and I knew that that buck was behind her. I

1077
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: couldn't see him, but I knew it was coming. She's

1078
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: not yeah, because it's the fall, because this is that dude. Yeah,

1079
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: this had his nose in my hand. Ye yep. Know

1080
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: when we were first classing those ones up and we

1081
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: just saw does and we didn't even see the buck.

1082
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: But then we saw I saw through the that's right.

1083
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: You even said, you said, terrible little l c V

1084
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: viewfinder on looks like she's getting pestered. Yeah, you said,

1085
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: I just saw one of them get past. There was

1086
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: a buck in the game. It's very true. Yeah, Like

1087
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: you don't see that sitting at a tree stand and

1088
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: with a bunch of hardwood oaks around you, Like you

1089
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,000
Speaker 1: don't see the deer long white tails long enough to

1090
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: see much of that. Yeah, I think it does happen,

1091
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: not nearly, like like a whole morning watching watching it

1092
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: from a thousand yards away, just over the course of

1093
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: two hours of interaction among one, you know, group of deer.

1094
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: It's super cool. I mean it was cool to go

1095
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: from Pow, which was our last hunt, you know, where

1096
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: he catch just a such glimpses and this this this round,

1097
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 1: we saw so many deer and glassed up so many

1098
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: like it was so many stocks and so many like

1099
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: like from my camera guy perspective, like over the rifle,

1100
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: whether we were going to shoot or not, I had

1101
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, the host in frame with the animal. Yeah,

1102
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: it's just a cool it's a cool thing. Me and

1103
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: Corey did see an interaction that in po Double, even

1104
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 1: though that the glimpses are so fleeting of deer when

1105
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: you're in the coastal rainforest, we saw an interaction where

1106
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: I blew a fun distress call and a dope came

1107
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: in with the pahn and then for whatever reason kicked

1108
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: the ship out of the faun like ten ft away

1109
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 1: from that tenth I'm exaggerating, but it was extremely close,

1110
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 1: like you've been a bad child kind of thing. I

1111
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: was wondering because she comes in, because she's coming running

1112
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: into she's coming running in presumably it's like you're making

1113
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: the sound of a phone getting attacked. She runs in

1114
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: to defend the faon the fawn foster. I wonder if

1115
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: she's saying get out here to the fawn, if she's

1116
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: saying don't the same way if you like, see if

1117
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: you're with your kids and you see like an altercation

1118
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: break out in the parking lot, like if your kids

1119
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 1: were to like run towards the altercation or a fire

1120
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: or something you like into the altercation, right like what

1121
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: get you know, what are you doing? You go there?

1122
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: You know? Or like yeah like that, And I kept

1123
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: wondering like what was the thing there? Where she turning?

1124
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: She kind of like she was from but she she

1125
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: also could have been saying like, all right, if you

1126
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: get closer, we see the predator. This is what you

1127
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: have to do. You need to stand up and like

1128
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: punch up. Because they both kind of kicked at each other,

1129
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: like the fawn kind of offended. Remember, let's get abusive.

1130
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: Let's let's get feisty there for a while too. Yeah,

1131
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: Yanni's buddy J Miller was just telling me the other

1132
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: night about um. I didn't see how I didn't use

1133
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: his full names so folks can't look him up. Keep

1134
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,720
Speaker 1: his secret there, J Miller. Uh, I mean, there's lots

1135
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: had a buddy of his call up and the guy

1136
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 1: every time he cuts hay bales. J Miller's buddy cuts

1137
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: hay bales open round bales or no price square bales.

1138
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: Either way, he takes all the twine and lays all

1139
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: the twine over defense, and over the years has built

1140
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: up quite an accumulation to twine on the fence where

1141
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 1: he feeds his livestock. A buck comes in there to

1142
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: get hey left over, You left over Hey, and he's

1143
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:55,519
Speaker 1: feeding around where all the twine is and gets himself

1144
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: so wrapped up in the twine that he's stuck to

1145
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: the fence. For some reason. I think they were like loops,

1146
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: is how I understood it, because he was like taking

1147
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: the loops off the bail somehow and then just instead

1148
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: of cutting it, taking the loop off and throwing it

1149
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: over a single post. I understood it as he was

1150
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: taking the loops off, because then that that gives us,

1151
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: like the bucks, something to get actually get caught in,

1152
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: because I feel like it was just like a you know,

1153
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: one string and then you don't really get caught up.

1154
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: So he had thrown these loops over like a single

1155
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: post and accumulating over years and years and years, and

1156
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: right in that area there was left over. Hey, but

1157
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 1: come in eating that and gets entangled and then he's

1158
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: a Japanese cowboy. Yeah, it was very important that we

1159
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 1: understood that story. Oh yeah, because then you get to

1160
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: do like, you know whatever you think you're Japanese cowboy

1161
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: accent is Mr Miller was doing that accent and he

1162
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,480
Speaker 1: loves the guy. Great neighbor, I think it is. But anyways,

1163
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: he says he's got a buck stuck in the twine

1164
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 1: and uh, I guess he went down there with what

1165
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: did he say he had sick? Which find the hell

1166
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: that had a sickle? I don't know, but he was

1167
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: going in there and yeah, slicing two, three, four, how

1168
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: many ever, you know, chunks of twine jumping out. And

1169
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: then when he finally got the last chunk that freed

1170
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 1: that buck, that buck stood and looked at Mr. Miller.

1171
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: He said, you must be the one that caused this problem,

1172
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: and then came after him. I believe to think now

1173
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,799
Speaker 1: the story win that he grabbed him by the horns,

1174
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: but still the force pushed him, because we're talking about

1175
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: the power, and little lines ripped through his jeans, parallel

1176
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: lines up each like, and he said that he'll never

1177
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 1: do that again, never the next time hes cowboy calls

1178
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: me up about a buck store, staying out of it.

1179
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: We had this buck wander around our our neighborhood a

1180
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: few years ago. We call him Ropy, a big buck.

1181
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: But he had this rope. Was the name kind of

1182
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: after you, no no Ropy rope because he had this

1183
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: like length of rope and his antlers. And I had

1184
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 1: a buddy that lived across town from me, not far

1185
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: away a half mile called me up and said, rope,

1186
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: he's got this four corn. Roby was big, and I

1187
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: don't know why a fourcorn would have been messing with him,

1188
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 1: but it was after the rut and they were fooling

1189
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 1: around or whatever, and he got this four corn stuck

1190
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: and his antlers in the rope busted that four corn's neck,

1191
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: but the four ky was still alive, and they had

1192
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: to come and shoot that four corn and cut him

1193
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: loose from that right in town. Yeah, now you know

1194
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: how you were wondering, like why they'd be fighting. Uh

1195
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: years ago, my brother had a big horn sheep tag

1196
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: and we glassed up some rams and it was a

1197
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: nice big ran that we were after. But he's running

1198
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: with a bunch of little shavers and we crawled in

1199
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: on him and he got all set up waiting for

1200
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: a shot, and the big ones wouldn't get up. The

1201
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 1: little ones would. Honestly that I wish I had this

1202
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: on film. The little ones would go up to the

1203
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: big one and hook their horn onto his horn like

1204
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: you're hooking a car to a trailer, to try to

1205
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: drag him onto his feet too spar wanting to play

1206
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: with him, basically, but they come into his curl hook

1207
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: their curl on his curl and try to back up

1208
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: and lift him up onto his maybe a way of

1209
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 1: learning or something, and then he would get up and

1210
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: do a little number with them, and in in fact,

1211
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: it was one of those times that boom, Yeah he

1212
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,639
Speaker 1: was the last fight, the last fight he was ever in. Yeah,

1213
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: I was like they just wanted to square up with Mr. Peah.

1214
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: I think there's more to it, though, because they do

1215
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that, the sheep especially. I think bucks

1216
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: and bulls do it too outside of the rut when

1217
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: they're not actually fighting, And I think a lot of

1218
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: it is because they don't have a mirror to look

1219
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: at and go, oh, I'm a eight class thick horn

1220
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: timber button, I'm kicking ass like they That's how they

1221
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: have to look who's around them and then go and

1222
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: feel what it feels like when they're putting their heads together.

1223
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: Fight a little bit, smart a little bit, and they

1224
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: don't always have to do it to the death. They

1225
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: can do it gently, get a sense of who, if

1226
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: what they have on their heads, and what kind of

1227
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: diamonds they you know, they could maybe exert then later

1228
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: actually during the run in particular, I've seen bulls like

1229
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: late season bulls very gently spiring with each other, just

1230
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 1: like tickling antlers with cal We saw some a couple

1231
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: of bulls kind of tearing it up late. Now I

1232
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: I read I never looked into the sea the validity

1233
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: of this, but I remember reading something to the effect

1234
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:35,800
Speaker 1: of that, oftentimes a big buck we'll spend a lot

1235
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: of time with box outside of his age class, and

1236
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: someone was was was postulating that it was, uh, it

1237
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: alleviated some stress that if he's hanging out with a

1238
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: bunch of peers, there's more hierarchical fighting going on, and

1239
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: when you have these sort of separated age classes, they

1240
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: don't need just and as I don't know, it sounds

1241
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: so what I'm saying, like a theory on that was

1242
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: it's just it's easier for them to be in a

1243
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: situation one that that's like a very clearly established hierarchy.

1244
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: That makes sense, like like to me, that makes sense

1245
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: like post rut, like pre rut, like when they're still

1246
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: in velvet, you often see like a bunch of bucks

1247
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: of the same class together because they're just not mad

1248
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 1: at each other that time of year. You know, that's why, Um,

1249
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: it's stressful with me for me to home with the eagle, right, yeah,

1250
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: because who's better a Glass who can walk faster? And

1251
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: there is like this dirt I think got stressful. I

1252
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: think dirt would hike him. Though, you guys working on

1253
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: I think your your your assessment of dirt needs to

1254
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: be upgraded because he's starting to see animals a lot.

1255
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it is getting good, yes, better, not good.

1256
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: I can't carry him. I can't outgir him, but I

1257
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: can help Glass. You definitely known as much chest Harrison.

1258
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 1: I can't hear him, Correy, what do you think about

1259
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: all that's been pretty quiet? No, this one has been awesome.

1260
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's challenging in the in the physical sense,

1261
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: but then again, like you said earlier about watching the

1262
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: personalities of the each animal because you can see so

1263
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: far out there and learn a lot about him, and

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01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: like you can almost maybe pick up on personalities of

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01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 1: each animal, which is really cool without anthropomorphizing the whole thing. Like,

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01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: oh that's a cute one, she's angry, and yeah, if

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01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: you get the name him, Like like we get that

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01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: one buck that Steve got, we got to watch it,

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01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,679
Speaker 1: we got to chase it for ten hours. Yeah, both

1270
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: of us how he his approach with the lady Storm

1271
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 1: and that guy. That was the longest hunt I've ever

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01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: been involved with for one animal, and both of us were.

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01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean it was dawn until dark NonStop. It was

1274
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 1: shortly after daylight till twelve minutes before. Yeah. That that was. Yeah,

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01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 1: one of the most satisfying hunting days of my life

1276
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: for sure. Johnny. What was that closing thought you had

1277
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: about Dirtmouth? It was ready for thought? Yeah, before ready

1278
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: to go there, I can start, I can kick on

1279
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: any other Is there any other pressing issues when you

1280
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: discussed that can't be that would fall outside of clothing

1281
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: thought hikers and bikers? Oh, Rick, real quick? Have have

1282
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: you got? Have? Have ladies contacted you? Have women contacted you?

1283
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: Based on me plugging you as a single man. I

1284
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 1: received one message on one on takes that just said

1285
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm a lady and I listened to there there's a

1286
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 1: woman who's listening right well, I feel like there might

1287
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: be more than this to my mother in law used

1288
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 1: to listen. Listen you want to hear a story? Did

1289
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: I feel horrible? I'll tell that story real quick, But first,

1290
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: Rick Um, one woman has contacted you. There might be

1291
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: there might be a few that have followed me, but

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01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 1: they haven't. They haven't been me or just you know,

1293
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: not interested. Yeah, they you know, followed me to see

1294
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: all my Instagram photos and they're like, yeah, this guy

1295
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 1: but too heartsy. But at the very least, Uh, you

1296
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 1: do have female listeners. Steve should be proud of yourself.

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01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: So Janice's mother in law, Janice's father tells me a

1298
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: rather colorful story. I relate the story, don't put any

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01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: spin on it, just relate the story. And she gets

1300
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: so mad at me that now she says she won't

1301
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: listen anymore. What all I did was told something that

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01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: was told to me. Is she mad at your dad? Probably?

1303
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 1: Oh you think so? I don't know, would he? Uh

1304
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: would that upset? Helly? She's actually mad at anybody, But

1305
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: she didn't disapproving. Yeah, but you see the situation that

1306
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: puts me in where I'm just telling a story someone

1307
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: else told me it's like sho to tell shooting the messenger. Okay,

1308
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: you're you're you're clothing and thought about dirt, trying to

1309
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: think why we were talking about this, about what we

1310
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: were all doing? Uh? Is it about getting up to

1311
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,760
Speaker 1: go to school? About getting up earlier or something. Oh,

1312
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: and yes it was Dirt pipes up with. I had

1313
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: a milk cow every day for school. Sucked. Somebody else

1314
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: has been complaining about having a shovel snow or make

1315
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:32,519
Speaker 1: oatmeal or something. Just getting up early, and then I

1316
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: couldn't have cocoa blasts. You know. We were getting nostalgia

1317
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: about our mom's and how they would prepare the morning

1318
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: and will always wake us up in the morning. Yeah, yeah,

1319
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: that's what I was talking about. Yeah, everybody else is

1320
01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: getting more milk, and see Dirt had to just get

1321
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 1: kicked out of bed to go fill up the cow.

1322
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: To myself, you know what, I do not have another

1323
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: pier that I can certainly think up quickly. They can

1324
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 1: say they as a child, they were milking the cow

1325
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: before they went to school. Everything. Well, my friendly had

1326
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,839
Speaker 1: a milk whole ship, a family business, so it's different.

1327
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: We got on rolling cars today and Dirt's like, yeah,

1328
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: my brother wrote car twice. Both times he was racing me.

1329
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:27,599
Speaker 1: Both regretful moments. But so that's all you got. Yeah.

1330
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: I just think that that kind of adds for the

1331
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 1: people that are following along podcasting it like it adds

1332
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: a nice little layer of character to dirt you know

1333
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 1: you kind of you know know where he came from. Um. Yeah,

1334
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 1: to think that it wasn't enough, I didn't know if

1335
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 1: you know, if you had a little more you needed

1336
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: to get out Corey. I don't think I would ever

1337
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: plan a big mule deer hunt around a big election

1338
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 1: because I think it took away a little bit from

1339
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 1: very distracting, very distracting one moment because we were in

1340
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,920
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere with no cell phone service, no

1341
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 1: contact with anyone. I think we waited day a day

1342
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,200
Speaker 1: before we found out who was going to be the

1343
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 1: next day, didn't have the staff phone. We put in

1344
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 1: the truck because probably wait or room in the raft

1345
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: or something. But we asked some guy in to vote.

1346
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: Who won? Now I had that happened during bush Gore,

1347
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: where we put off a trip for the election. The

1348
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,559
Speaker 1: next day no one knew and like, well, let's just go. Anyways,

1349
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: we went, then did a float trip for four days,

1350
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 1: came out who won? They still don't know another another

1351
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: popular vote winner, loser, popular vote, electoral vote. Yeah, it

1352
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: was it was like it was like so, um, yeah,

1353
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to It was an odd it's just the

1354
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: day to camp, like not the delivery was No, it's

1355
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: just weird who states We're not a group of people

1356
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: that that doesn't care. I think all of us, in

1357
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:21,000
Speaker 1: our own way are politically engaged and very much care

1358
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: about the process and the outcome. And to like Situs

1359
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: sit up and be glassing for for deer was both

1360
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: uh satisfying and disconcerting. Like it's a strange combination of like,

1361
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: thank god, I'm not watching the pundits, like give me

1362
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: the play by play. Like at the time, I was like, oh,

1363
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: this kind of feels good that I'm like kind of

1364
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: removed from the process. But then once the process was

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01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 1: over and I knew people knew, I was like, oh

1366
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: my god, I can't believe I don't know what the

1367
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: outcome is like. And then we we ultimately were interested

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01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,240
Speaker 1: and we found out via radio, and then there was

1369
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 1: a lot of disbelief that yeah, so I mean this

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01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: is my personal like concluding thoughts. But we found out

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01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: on radio and Steve said Trump won, and uh, I

1372
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 1: was like, oh, uh are you are you screwing with me?

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01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 1: You know, like like everybody in the nation, I think

1374
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: everyone in the whole country, because it had been so,

1375
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 1: but on the pounded into your head that it was impossible.

1376
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm on radio with with Steve, who was hearing this

1377
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 1: information via somebody else, you know, And it's like, are

1378
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: you just messing with me? Like and no, But I

1379
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: really all day hoped that I was being messed with

1380
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. You were upset. Yeah, I was like,

1381
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: I felt ill, but I did. I that cheered you up. Know,

1382
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: I was happy that I was happy to get the

1383
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: news such in in I felt ill sort of hearing

1384
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 1: that news, but in a group of people with such

1385
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: diverse political feelings that are all rational and information based,

1386
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: and so I feel like there's still a very large

1387
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: uh contingent of America that votes based on feeling, which

1388
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: I respect. But information and facts are really important to me.

1389
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: And I think one reason I respect Steve so much

1390
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: and we disagree politically slightly, I think we're on kind

1391
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: of two sides of the same coin. Um. But he's

1392
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: an information based human. It's like, if there's facts that

1393
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 1: tell him to believe a certain way, uh, he looks

1394
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 1: at them and it's like, okay, that's I'm gonna engage

1395
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: with those facts, like and uh, and so to be

1396
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: with a group of people that we could discuss the

1397
01:27:02,120 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Trump presidency with with UH, with facts and with openness

1398
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: and an understanding that everybody has a different feeling about

1399
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of different things. It was like a pretty

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01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,880
Speaker 1: It was a good. It was a good. I think

1401
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: I would have been much less satisfied to watch this

1402
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: all unfold on CNN in my house by myself, because

1403
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: we we get we get pretty compartmentalized in our own

1404
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: little like bubbles. And I think that people are talking

1405
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,840
Speaker 1: about that, but you guys, all, but the bubble. This

1406
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: is becoming a problem. It is definitely becoming a problem.

1407
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 1: But my work with this crew just in general, I'm

1408
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:45,639
Speaker 1: not a hunter. I have different political beliefs than than UH.

1409
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 1: Then I think other people my feelings about yogurt slightly

1410
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: different than the other. But but we can all talk

1411
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: about this and like not get angry at each other.

1412
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 1: And I think it's man if if the rest of

1413
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: America had our little deal going on, we wouldn't have

1414
01:28:03,439 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 1: such issues. It was interesting, like we're huddled down waiting

1415
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 1: for that bug stand up, and the whole time Brick

1416
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: and I are just like talking about the election. That

1417
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 1: was your gluey thought, I loved it. Now I'm gonna

1418
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna build on that um with a couple of

1419
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: thoughts here. Now, I want to preface the saw us

1420
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,480
Speaker 1: by saying that I made a conscious decision, a conscious

1421
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: decision a long time ago that in my public facing comments,

1422
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,680
Speaker 1: like in my public facing viewpoints, I was not going

1423
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: to discuss I don't discuss politics. I discuss politics just

1424
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: because just it just pisses to many people off it

1425
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: just it just doesn't feel to me like it's constructive,

1426
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:54,480
Speaker 1: um and larger because I sit on I sit simultaneously

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01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: on both sides of defense. For instance, I support clean

1428
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: air and clean water and also a robust military and

1429
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 1: capital punishment. So like, I don't have a lot of

1430
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 1: use for conservative and liberal because I'm um. I'm an

1431
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: issues person each I look at each issue independently, and

1432
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't look toward what is the particular platform of

1433
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 1: a party, like how can I align myself? Like, oh,

1434
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: since I am conservative, I must have this opinion, or

1435
01:29:26,280 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: let me go check, let me make a phone call

1436
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: to find out what my opinion is, because all I

1437
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: know is that I'm conservative, So I don't have that

1438
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: approach um. But anyway, I try to avoid politics, except

1439
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: I do talk about politics when it has to do

1440
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: with issues of wildlife conservation, wildlife management, hunting, fishing, how

1441
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: how the political atmosphere is affecting you know, are public lands? Yeah,

1442
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: public lands our lives as hunters and fishermen. So that's

1443
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: something uncomfortable talking about. UM. Now I'm gonna do that.

1444
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about something that's going on now and

1445
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: the election in terms of something that I am comfortable

1446
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: discussing in politics, which is public lands issue. Now, some

1447
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: of you may have hurt that Donald Trump won the presidency.

1448
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: At this point, right now, this something that doesn't happen

1449
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 1: very often. At this point, right now, we have one

1450
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 1: political party. The Republican Party is now UM hold, will

1451
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: will soon hold the presidency, will hold the House of Representatives,

1452
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 1: will hold the Senate, and will soon hold. I know

1453
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be it's supposed to be a political,

1454
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,200
Speaker 1: but they will soon hold the Supreme Court. If you

1455
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: imagine that, they're like Republicans had there their nominees will

1456
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: have them already in the Supreme Court. Now Here, here's

1457
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: a I'm gonna tell you a fact. The Republican Party

1458
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: UM has a has a list of planks in their platforms.

1459
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: So the Republican Party has an agenda and it's not

1460
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: something that needed you need to speculate about. It's it's

1461
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,639
Speaker 1: a written out agenda that the party holds. That they

1462
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: hold that and not all Republicans believe this. But the

1463
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: part of the platform is that we should be getting

1464
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: rid of federal public lands. This isn't like I'm not

1465
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 1: telling you like a theory. This is a thing you

1466
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:46,080
Speaker 1: I invite you to go check. The Republican National Committee

1467
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 1: came out with like a like a prioritized list, honest list,

1468
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: as we need to be dumping federal public lands for

1469
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: sale for get them out of Yeah, I don't. I

1470
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: don't even see. Here's the thing is, I don't want

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01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 1: to get into I'm trying not to spin any of this.

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01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 1: I have fearies about why that is okay, But I'm

1473
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: just trying to lay out I'm trying to at this

1474
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: point because I'm so uncomfortable disgusting aspects of politics, because

1475
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 1: I'm such a mess politically that I'm trying to just

1476
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: lay out like I'm trying to lay out factual things. Yeah.

1477
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's it's on the Republican agenda dumping federal

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01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: public lands, and usually we have this. You know, we

1479
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: have a system of checks and balances in this country.

1480
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,000
Speaker 1: Obviously that that exists between the Supreme Court, the President,

1481
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: House and Senate. UM. And we also have a different

1482
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: sort of checks and balances which comes about where we

1483
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: have two political parties that that um are on different

1484
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,680
Speaker 1: sides of the aisland. They kind of battleship out all

1485
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: the time and that and that allows things to move slowly.

1486
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 1: And I tend to like people complain about gridlock. But

1487
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this about my own personal political feelings

1488
01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 1: is I don't always look at gridlock as being necessarily

1489
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: evil because, um, when things happen kind of slow and

1490
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 1: in a measured way, I feel that it lends a

1491
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:14,599
Speaker 1: little bit of stability to our political lives, our social lives,

1492
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: our economy and um and in radical herky jerky ship

1493
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of makes me uneasy. Uh So, all these differents

1494
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 1: so so so so much of the government now is

1495
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: controlled by a single political party, and that political party

1496
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: thinks we should be dumping the federal lands that we

1497
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: hunt and fish on. This is complicated. There's an upside

1498
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: of this when you think that that Trump isn't really

1499
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: He's a Republican by name only, he's not really Republican. Um.

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01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,640
Speaker 1: If we look at like a Republican as being like

1501
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,760
Speaker 1: what the Republican Party has stood for for the last

1502
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,679
Speaker 1: fifty years, For instance, the Republican Party has generally always

1503
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 1: stood for free trade. Um. Trump' sees a lot of

1504
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,880
Speaker 1: value and protectionism. Okay, so he's at odds with his

1505
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: party and that he has one view of he has

1506
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 1: one of you that like free trade. There's some good

1507
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: parts to it. For free trade has also cost us

1508
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 1: a lot of manufacturing jobs and our things and allowed

1509
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, cheap imports be dumped into our economy and

1510
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: throw our economy off. So he departs from the party

1511
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: line on free trade. Um. The Republican Party is always

1512
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: stood for promoted a very slippery urn, but like traditional

1513
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: family values. UM. I think if you look at Trump's

1514
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: personal life some of his articulated opinions, I don't think

1515
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: that he really ascribes to what we might call like

1516
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: traditional family values. So he kind of parts from that.

1517
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: They're very conservative traditional family yeah, any religious conception of Now,

1518
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Republicans have generally over the years stood for UM. Containment

1519
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union, which trade transitioned into a containment

1520
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 1: of Russia. Trump is open to finding common ground with

1521
01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: Russian and finding ways in which we might work with

1522
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 1: Russian instead of in opposition to them. I'm rick, don't

1523
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: shake your head. I'm trying to lay out unbiased, just

1524
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 1: things that the man has said. I'm agreeing with you.

1525
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: I just freaking it makes it makes no hurt because

1526
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 1: we're not talking about politics right now. I'm setting up

1527
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 1: something that I want to talk about experience. You're right,

1528
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 1: You're right, Okay, No, I'm agreeing with you, but I

1529
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 1: just my brain explodes thinking about Trump. No, please, Rick, stop,

1530
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut. I'm gonna have you unplug his thing.

1531
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: Your brain explodes to we're not talking about politics. I'm

1532
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: laying some ground his thing, Trump diverging from the Republican Party,

1533
01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:56,519
Speaker 1: which is the thing that is like no one would

1534
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: disagree with it. I agree and it um, Ricky got

1535
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: me all messed up. I'm trying to do something, something

1536
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: very delicate. I think you're doing. Thursday, January one, two

1537
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, I was sitting in Nevada, about forty yards

1538
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 1: away from Donald Trump when he said, What did he say, Honest,

1539
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 1: you were sitting right next to me. What did he

1540
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: say about public lands? He wasn't gonna sell him off,

1541
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: not interested in get rid of public lands. I am

1542
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 1: not gonna get rid of your public lands. Did you

1543
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:52,560
Speaker 1: hear him? He said it to me and Yanni and

1544
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 1: hundreds of other people. I heard him with my own

1545
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: two ears and saw with his own two eyes say it. Now.

1546
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:05,919
Speaker 1: The man is gonna be under intense pressure to uphold

1547
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 1: at once a number of campaign promises that he has made.

1548
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Some of them have been described as outlandished. Whatever I

1549
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't get that right now, He's gonna be

1550
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 1: under intense pressure. And he's also gonna be under intense

1551
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:23,960
Speaker 1: pressure to align with Republican orthodoxy on all things. And

1552
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: I do, Like I said, I do agree with the

1553
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: Republican Party and many things. I part ways with them

1554
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 1: on the issue of federal public lands. I think that

1555
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 1: people who like to hunt, and who like to fish,

1556
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: and who like to camp and write a t V

1557
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: s and enjoy wildlife. What else am I missing? Mountain bikers, skiers, hikers,

1558
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: those of us those Americans who recreate and and spend

1559
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,639
Speaker 1: their time and spend their money and find their passion

1560
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:03,720
Speaker 1: on public lands. Donald Trump's sons, you need to just

1561
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: you need to and not you need to to to say. Listen, Stephen,

1562
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: Yanni heard you say that. Yep, stay true to that, please,

1563
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 1: because entering into a realm where things get turned upside

1564
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 1: down and people's attentions get abandoned and you make all

1565
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: kinds of compromises, I just hope. And where do we

1566
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: hunt out week? Public land? Yeah? Public land? I mean now,

1567
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: I don't want here's the air thing. I don't want

1568
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,160
Speaker 1: to act like the public landage. We have people, you know,

1569
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: a lot of things. We have a lot of people

1570
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 1: who are concerned with issues like their job. We have

1571
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 1: people who concerned with issues like civil liberties. All Americans

1572
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:52,920
Speaker 1: have big issues. And I don't want to hold up

1573
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 1: the public lands issues being the number one problem facing

1574
01:38:56,720 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: the country. But because I prefaced this whole thing by

1575
01:38:59,640 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 1: saying that there's an aspect of politics I'm comfortable talking

1576
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: about because I really know it well, and that is

1577
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 1: issues surrounding wildlife management, land use. Like I I stay

1578
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: boned up on that stuff. Me too, And and we

1579
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:20,400
Speaker 1: could not have done our entire week, could not have

1580
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: existed without public lands. And he stood there in front

1581
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: of me and Janni and staid. I will not sell

1582
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: your public lands. Not interesting, get rid of you public lands. Uh, Brody,

1583
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 1: what's your thought? Don't talk about politics now, that's all Rick.

1584
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: I swear to God you already did your thing. I

1585
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 1: love you and respect you. I'm not going to talk

1586
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:53,560
Speaker 1: about politics or rick Um, I agree with you. I

1587
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,760
Speaker 1: guess I'd like to talk about mule deer. I kind

1588
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: of want to talk about beavers, but we didn't get there.

1589
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: Oh please please talk about beavers. Well, I got my

1590
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,600
Speaker 1: first beaver right before the hunt. Tell them about Colorado's

1591
01:40:06,640 --> 01:40:11,200
Speaker 1: rule on beavers no trapping. I don't know, what's just bullshit?

1592
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,200
Speaker 1: Well they're trying to outlaud it. Well did that get

1593
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: what happened with that? Got destroyed? Montana? So Montana had

1594
01:40:18,000 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: I was I won seven seven? Or they had some

1595
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: initiative you put up you couldn't trap on public land anymore,

1596
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: or that didn't go over real Well, sixty percent of

1597
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: the boat against that initiative. Well, look at a state

1598
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: like I feel like it could happen in Montana if

1599
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:36,680
Speaker 1: it just got destroyed. I know, but I'm saying, if

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01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Montana becomes more it's more gentrified. Yeah. The minute Colorado

1601
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: had its population living and the front und Yeah, they

1602
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 1: got trapped. Right, So it's like that's what I was saying.

1603
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 1: We live in this weird time. On one hand, we

1604
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 1: have people trying to get rid of our public lands,

1605
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,800
Speaker 1: and then we have this other group of people from

1606
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, presumably from very much across the aisle from

1607
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: that group, trying to lock out an entire segment group

1608
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: who's been using a sustainable, renewable resource based on the

1609
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 1: idea there are hundreds of years, for longer than it's

1610
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,640
Speaker 1: even been a damn state. Yeah, but no one was,

1611
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: No one can Those people can't wrap their head around

1612
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 1: an animal dying in a trap, right, No, they can

1613
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: just wrap their heads around the scores of animal deaths

1614
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 1: that they encounter every week on highways, on their on

1615
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,599
Speaker 1: their plate. Yeah, like when they get a chicken nuggets?

1616
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: How many damn chickens? How many damn chickens earned one chicken?

1617
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 1: Any one? But either way, I Colorado outlawed trapping. Yeah,

1618
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,600
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago. I don't know how based on

1619
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 1: a voter referendum, much like they voted out spring bear hunting,

1620
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: hunting bears with dogs hunting. But either way, someone was

1621
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,920
Speaker 1: smart enough to say, well, if you can't trap him,

1622
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 1: then you can hunt him on a small game license.

1623
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:10,960
Speaker 1: And I shot a beaver on a small game license

1624
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 1: ten days ago, right before this hunt, and uh, with

1625
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: Steve's guidance, skinned it made a nice little round thing.

1626
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 1: And now I'm gonna have either or around by by

1627
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 1: which he means he round skinned skinned it yea. And

1628
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm either going to do mitts or a trooper hat.

1629
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet, but he's gonna use that. He's

1630
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: gonna use the services of Clifford's Critter Creators. Who does

1631
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 1: anyone looking to have custom work done with your own

1632
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 1: first ice trapped stuff and not trapped stuff. We just

1633
01:42:46,240 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 1: have hats and stuff made for it. And my brother

1634
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:50,880
Speaker 1: last beaver we got, he had a nice hat made

1635
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 1: for his wife. But we were hoping on the float

1636
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: portion of this hunt that we'd run into a beaver.

1637
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: It just didn't happen. Yeah, when you look at when

1638
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 1: what Colorado did when they had the referend of the

1639
01:43:01,240 --> 01:43:04,000
Speaker 1: band Trapp and Colorado, I didn't notice Still Brody tell

1640
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: me they just moved all the fur bears over round

1641
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,040
Speaker 1: of the small game list, and so this is like

1642
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 1: the only state that I've ever did I know about.

1643
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: You can hunt beavers with two That's the only way,

1644
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, basically the only way to get a beaver. Now,

1645
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 1: there's like a certain irony there where someone telling me

1646
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: if you look at like when when California band lion hunting,

1647
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: you look like what the annual harvest was of lions

1648
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,519
Speaker 1: in California. I could be completely wrong, but I feel

1649
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 1: like it was somewhere in the vicinity of like three

1650
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 1: year annual harvest California. Now you look at what Animal

1651
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:41,040
Speaker 1: Control services guess how many lions Animal Control Services kills.

1652
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 1: Ever you're in California, that many. In Colorado, they outlawed

1653
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 1: spring bear hunting, dog hunting, bait hunting, and I'm not

1654
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: at all a big fan of bait hunting for bears,

1655
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 1: but the last time they had done well, do you

1656
01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: mean that you don't have any desire to do it?

1657
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,800
Speaker 1: I should be able to do it. No people can

1658
01:44:03,880 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 1: do it. It's just not something that it's like when

1659
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,600
Speaker 1: I look, I like, I love to hunt bears, but

1660
01:44:08,640 --> 01:44:11,280
Speaker 1: it's just like I like to hunt bears spot stock,

1661
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that that's not any kind of

1662
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: comment on how all the people like the hunt them.

1663
01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,320
Speaker 1: But either way, Colorado, the last time they did a

1664
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: major population study on black bears, it was some time

1665
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 1: around the time they banned that stuff, and there was

1666
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: X number of bears. They recently did a study twenty

1667
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: years later, fifteen years later since that's that that type

1668
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,480
Speaker 1: of hunting had been banned, and found out the population

1669
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 1: of black bears in Colorado had essentially doubled. And now

1670
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 1: the only way to control that population is a fairly

1671
01:44:49,520 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: difficult fall bear hunting season. But we just talked to

1672
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:57,439
Speaker 1: biologists who said they're fixing to start doing some state

1673
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: sponsored bear control. Right, so you remove you make it

1674
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 1: the people, the paying customer, the license buying customer who's

1675
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: gonna go out and buy a license and supports fishing

1676
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: game and then do a bear hunt, get a bear,

1677
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: have the meat, have the hide. It's like, oh, no,

1678
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 1: it's better if we just have government guys snipe them. Yeah,

1679
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's the solution. I mean, I would

1680
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 1: I would be such a huge fan of a spring

1681
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 1: bear season and not what I don't need dogs. I

1682
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,560
Speaker 1: don't need bait. I would love to be able to

1683
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: go do a spot in stock hunt like Montana has

1684
01:45:39,320 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 1: in the spring. Yeah, and you can't bait Montana and

1685
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,880
Speaker 1: you can't run dogs Montana. But it's not coming from

1686
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:48,040
Speaker 1: the place that when people are trying to ban the practices.

1687
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: It's like traditional use patterns that when you look at

1688
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: when I look at hunting, um and fishing in the

1689
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:57,880
Speaker 1: regular and the regulatory structures that we have, I give

1690
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,200
Speaker 1: a lot And I didn't invent this. It's a it's

1691
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,160
Speaker 1: a it's a common idea, but I give a lot

1692
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: of credence to traditional use patterns. So what are the

1693
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 1: things that that people have traditionally done here? And it

1694
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,919
Speaker 1: gives you a good framework to understand new things. For instance,

1695
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,560
Speaker 1: so many states are getting out ahead of the drone situation,

1696
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,680
Speaker 1: and it's so easy to ban drones now for the

1697
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 1: use of hunting, and thirteen states almost every state where

1698
01:46:25,479 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: you'd even have where you have open enough country that

1699
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 1: would even western hunting states have all banned the use

1700
01:46:30,680 --> 01:46:32,760
Speaker 1: of drones, and honey, why was it easy to do that?

1701
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: It's not a traditional use practice. There's no resistance. In fact,

1702
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:41,679
Speaker 1: hunters are the most vocal proponents of getting out ahead

1703
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:43,719
Speaker 1: of the drone situation, of banning the use of drones

1704
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 1: and hunting. So there is like a real there's a

1705
01:46:46,479 --> 01:46:50,280
Speaker 1: reverence towards traditional use practices. And when we're go in

1706
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 1: and say, like when we're going inside to try to

1707
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: pluck out traditional use practices that we've already formed a

1708
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 1: successful wildlife management system in conjunction with you're gonna hit

1709
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: a lot of resistance from hunters and fishermen. Yeah, but

1710
01:47:05,439 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 1: when you turn that decision over to people who have

1711
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,760
Speaker 1: no connection to hunting and fishing, then a traditional youth

1712
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: pattern can be just yanked out of existence. Basically, people

1713
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: who are like, you know, I wouldn't know a lion

1714
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 1: if it was chewing on my foot a fella day.

1715
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure you shouldn't be able to hunt him, right.

1716
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: Oh you know what we glassed up tonight? Keep you

1717
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 1: gonna talk about this? We glassed up at Ermine. Oh really? Yeah?

1718
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Pure white, pure white already, that's what makes ermine. You

1719
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: know we normally normally there's snow this time here, and

1720
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:40,240
Speaker 1: that dude doesn't know there's this dude better watches he's

1721
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 1: gonna get nailed by Yeah, Yeah, because he just looks

1722
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: like you can't miss him. Man, it looks like a

1723
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 1: piece of paper blowing along across the climate change faster

1724
01:47:50,160 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 1: than faster that they can figure it out. He's like

1725
01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 1: a little white hot dog just running across the stage.

1726
01:47:57,120 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 1: You say he glassed up another one the other day. Yeah,

1727
01:48:00,040 --> 01:48:02,799
Speaker 1: think we're on the river glass one to tell anybody

1728
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,120
Speaker 1: about it. Fierce. Those guys are fierce, man. Yeah, they'll

1729
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: kill a jack rabbit. Yeah, we had one hanging out

1730
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 1: in our yard last year. Man, But you're concluding thought,

1731
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,400
Speaker 1: I kind of hijacked your concluding talk that that was.

1732
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:19,600
Speaker 1: That was basically it, other than you know, thanks to

1733
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,800
Speaker 1: Rick and Garrett for just hanging tough with me the

1734
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: last few days. Rick lets those midnight not midnight. He

1735
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: likes those late night, um midnight, he says. He says,

1736
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,600
Speaker 1: he enjoys it. You know, actually, I really part of

1737
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: me does not like them. Especially early on when I

1738
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: started doing this. It's like, Stark, we should go home now. Yeah, now,

1739
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh, this is awesome. We don't know,

1740
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:52,639
Speaker 1: we don't know where we're going. There's probably some clips

1741
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: were getting encounter and everybody's head lamps are gonna be

1742
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: terrible except mine. So they're gonna be like, rick, hey,

1743
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: come on here, like it counts the best one. And

1744
01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: I think somebody somebody's phrase that what was it brody?

1745
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:17,320
Speaker 1: Something about the path at least, like the path of

1746
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: least resistance is often the hardest way to go. I

1747
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,200
Speaker 1: think that's a really really good metaphor for life. Like

1748
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 1: you think, oh, drainage, we don't have to climb any

1749
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:32,800
Speaker 1: hills until you get yeah, until you get like a

1750
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,960
Speaker 1: thirty waterfall and you're just stuck there and you're like, huh,

1751
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 1: some efforts. So there is this sense that there's no

1752
01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 1: there's no free lunch. You gotta put in, you gotta

1753
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:47,599
Speaker 1: put in your time, you gotta put in your effort.

1754
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go down that hill, that drainage. I

1755
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,360
Speaker 1: was not caught by surprise by all those No, I've

1756
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,600
Speaker 1: walked down the note but many times. But I do

1757
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 1: like your optimism of like, oh, yeah, let's pass backpacks

1758
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 1: down this little short waterfall, hop that we can all

1759
01:50:06,240 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: climb down, and then you're like, oh, this next one

1760
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: is good, and then you look at it you started

1761
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: climbing down, and you know, Okay, maybe maybe I got

1762
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 1: a little ahead of myself. We made it out fine. Yeah, um,

1763
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: dirt life skilled when you're sweating outside seeing country well

1764
01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:31,840
Speaker 1: for this man is a poet, Harry Poet. I wish

1765
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 1: we had a website to post that Starbucks photo. Can

1766
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 1: we we put it on the me and dirt, myouth

1767
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:45,040
Speaker 1: and Starbucks sweating. Not that that wasn't enough, but you

1768
01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:49,040
Speaker 1: feel satisfied it ran. Maybe after that picture my dad

1769
01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 1: will want to hit up a Starbucks for the first

1770
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: time he's dead. Who will point out that he believes

1771
01:50:57,160 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 1: he's laughing and he is by descent an American born man.

1772
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 1: Try to tell me that he has never ever had

1773
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: a Starbucks coffee folders man or what is not even

1774
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,040
Speaker 1: that he's tried to avoid it. He just says that

1775
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: it's just never happened. I don't know if that's really possible.

1776
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 1: I feel like you'll say to you something dude, like,

1777
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: oh hey, keep grabbing me a coffee, and they'll be

1778
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 1: that kind. The thing is is that my dad's not

1779
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,000
Speaker 1: He hasn't ever been much of a coffee drinker. And

1780
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:30,360
Speaker 1: I think that the way that we consume coffee, like

1781
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:33,759
Speaker 1: our generation, how often we're like, get me a coffee.

1782
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: Let's go on the coffee shop like my dad, Like

1783
01:51:37,320 --> 01:51:39,439
Speaker 1: he would look at that and be like, that's seven

1784
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars annually that I can instead be putting

1785
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 1: here like you're an idiot for going to spend that

1786
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: kind of money on cups of coffee and white you know, cuffs.

1787
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,760
Speaker 1: And in a way, he's right, So I think that's

1788
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of how he's gotten out of it. It's do

1789
01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 1: you believe when he says that he's damn sure had something? Now?

1790
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:03,559
Speaker 1: Those fias, that's something we should discuss sometimes. How via

1791
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 1: is the way to go for backpack coffee? Where did

1792
01:52:08,360 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: you do one? Did you get a concluder? Yeh yeah,

1793
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: I had the whole. I gotta joint. I got a

1794
01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:22,200
Speaker 1: Chart'll check back in. I want to find a word

1795
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:25,720
Speaker 1: or a phrase to explain this. This this is this

1796
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 1: little bit. You can come up with it when you

1797
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: know when you try to like gauge someone's judgment, right,

1798
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 1: so you get to know someone you're trying to figure

1799
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,160
Speaker 1: out in over time you're like, yeah, this is like

1800
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 1: a very reliable figure. I have a problem, not only

1801
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 1: one in this room, but I have a thing that

1802
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:54,200
Speaker 1: I've identified over the years where what when someone's opinion,

1803
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,600
Speaker 1: it's always that that you should that you look at

1804
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,599
Speaker 1: it like always the easy thing, but they never say,

1805
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: like it to be easier too, but they always have

1806
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:06,559
Speaker 1: a different reason. But then when you look you go like, oh,

1807
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:09,959
Speaker 1: but your reason is easier. And over time you realize

1808
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:15,280
Speaker 1: that every time issue comes up, they have the easy idea,

1809
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 1: but they never want to do it because it's easy.

1810
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:23,240
Speaker 1: They always tried to sell you on it with a

1811
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:28,840
Speaker 1: different explanation. It's like a rationalization of of something with

1812
01:53:30,160 --> 01:53:32,720
Speaker 1: some other ulterior motives. So you're like, hey, let's go

1813
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: up there and look for a buck, and they're like, man,

1814
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: I think we should go down there. And the next

1815
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:45,760
Speaker 1: day you're like, um, hey, let's let's uh pick up

1816
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: these big, huge rocks and throw them and they're like,

1817
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 1: let's uh, I'll sick. We pick up these little rocks

1818
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:56,639
Speaker 1: and throw them further because and over you go like, man,

1819
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,800
Speaker 1: every time this guy has ever had a suggestion, it's

1820
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:04,160
Speaker 1: always happened to be easier. I would say that's the

1821
01:54:04,280 --> 01:54:07,840
Speaker 1: problem of modernity right there. Yeah, I want you to

1822
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 1: think about it and think about and think of a

1823
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 1: way to describe people just don't want to work hard.

1824
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:15,640
Speaker 1: I want something more like um, like a like a

1825
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 1: specific psychological I'll give you a little starter, all right,

1826
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 1: then we're done. This eco feminist Val Plumwood writes about

1827
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:30,720
Speaker 1: that just an eco feminist does Oh is that a

1828
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,200
Speaker 1: guy or a girl? Girl? I was gonna say, you

1829
01:54:33,240 --> 01:54:38,080
Speaker 1: can't be a bro eco feminist. Yeah I am. You

1830
01:54:38,200 --> 01:54:44,120
Speaker 1: know that. The next