WEBVTT - Ep 75: Karen O, Yeah Yeah Yeahs

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for other stories that you tell. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, thanks for the music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, good evening everyone, and welcome to episode seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five of the podcast. This episode marks the first in

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<v Speaker 2>series eight. We've been away for a couple of months

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<v Speaker 2>and we've recorded ten new episodes. They will drop over

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<v Speaker 2>the next ten weeks every Thursday at midnight, starting tonight

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<v Speaker 2>with the incredible Karen O. We recorded this at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of the summer and Karen was here, not to

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<v Speaker 2>do work or to promote anything. She was here on

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<v Speaker 2>a family holiday and she still took the time out

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<v Speaker 2>to come and record the episode that you're about to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you to Karen for that. I would love

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<v Speaker 2>to flatter myself and say that Karen was just desperate

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<v Speaker 2>to come on our podcast, but she did release a

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<v Speaker 2>new album this year, so that might have had something

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<v Speaker 2>to do with it. It's an incredible record called Lux Prima,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's one that was released it kind of slipped

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<v Speaker 2>under the radar a little bit. She made it with

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<v Speaker 2>the producer Danger Mouse, and if you haven't heard it yet,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd highly recommend checking it out, especially if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>fan of kind of cosmic surge Gainsborgie dreamy pop music.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the where it sits. The pair of

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<v Speaker 2>them haven't played any live shows yet, or what they

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<v Speaker 2>have done is create an incredible sound installation that's premiered

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<v Speaker 2>in LA so far. We talk about that a bit

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<v Speaker 2>in this episode, and because it's such a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>visual thing, I'm not sure that ivers really give credit

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<v Speaker 2>to in our explanation of it. I have put some

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<v Speaker 2>links in the description of this episode and along with

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<v Speaker 2>some other links of the things that we reference and

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<v Speaker 1>I was it's like yeah, yeah, well no, no, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>that's commitment, commitment to the music. It is totally commitment

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<v Speaker 1>to the music. I'm a committed gal. Yeah, I'm dedicated.

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<v Speaker 2>So the last time, the last time you were like

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK kind of publicly. I guess would that

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<v Speaker 2>have been the show last year Victoria Park?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, uh huh, yeah, that would be right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah for the our point, Yeah, how how did the show?

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<v Speaker 2>How was that?

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<v Speaker 1>That was awesome? That was like, actually we had like

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<v Speaker 1>an amazing time for that. Yeah, we kind of never

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<v Speaker 1>know what to expect when we've been away for a

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<v Speaker 1>while and kind of come back on the scene and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what kind of fans change and people change,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, just don't really usually know who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be out there. But it was it was like

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like almost like a triumphant you know, for us,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like it just felt so good and like the

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<v Speaker 1>excitement was like it was just like I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>was the first year of that festival, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>like a lot of excitement in the audience and and

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<v Speaker 1>and we were excited to be there and and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really happy, you know, and we had some buddies like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>l CD, it almost felt like like old times because

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<v Speaker 1>we were staying at a hotel and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>l CD was staying there, and then and saw Bradford

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<v Speaker 1>Cox from Deer Hunter was staying there. He's a buddy too,

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<v Speaker 1>and like it was like felt like like camp summer camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a good experience.

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<v Speaker 2>They did one this year. This year's line up was

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<v Speaker 2>a similar kind of like line up. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>the Strokes and interpolded it. Yeah, and I think the

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<v Speaker 2>Rock on Tours played. It was like a real kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like for some people like a great nostalgia trip,

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<v Speaker 2>like it's fazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's weird because yeah, we just we also

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<v Speaker 1>just did a festival in Long Beach, California. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>just Like Heaven. I think it was what it was called,

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<v Speaker 1>but before that, I think they like I think they

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<v Speaker 1>renamed it initially was named when we were young, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they're like, well maybe that's too on the nose.

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<v Speaker 1>So and yeah, and it was like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>us and like Phoenix and like Beach House and like

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<v Speaker 1>Grizzly Bear, and it was like it was very everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>saying it's very like two thousand and like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen or twenty eleven or something like that. So for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like time goes by. I'm like in

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<v Speaker 1>such a bubble, like I don't like notice so much

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<v Speaker 1>that like you know, when that that is equals nostalgia.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, yeah, last year you played like just

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<v Speaker 2>a handful of shows with your years, right, it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was like a dozen maybe, yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you how does that work in terms of like

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<v Speaker 2>the practicing the set and getting together and reheasing do

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<v Speaker 2>you or do you not? Do you not need to

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<v Speaker 2>do that?

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<v Speaker 1>We do need Oh yeah, we do need to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, but we've always been like sort of notoriously

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of like slap dash and like sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't at least I you know, that's my attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Nick. Nick is a little bit different these days.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like he kind of wants it to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wants us to really go over are the music and

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<v Speaker 1>practice it pretty good so that we like represent and

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, you know tight. But you know, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a five day rehearsal or something like that

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<v Speaker 1>after not playing for like five years or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I still think I think, you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's like not very long, uh you know, to to

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<v Speaker 1>get to get our shipped together basically, But but uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we just usually did that and then like I've always said,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, playing just one show in front of

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<v Speaker 1>audience is worth like like like twenty rehearsals. Really it

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<v Speaker 1>just like you just get it, just like just snaps

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<v Speaker 1>you right back into into shape, you know. So like

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<v Speaker 1>so we usually try and do like one practice show

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<v Speaker 1>before we do any big you know, festival again, and

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<v Speaker 1>usually that just like snaps us back into the shape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it went, well, what did you what did

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<v Speaker 2>you find? You saying that you know, you've been away

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<v Speaker 2>for a while and you weren't sure what the crowd

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<v Speaker 2>would be or what it would be like when you

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<v Speaker 2>were walking on or the day before. Did you sleep

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<v Speaker 2>well the day before?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I got a good night's sleep with this. This

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<v Speaker 1>is very unusual. Usually I'm a mess, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I like don't sleep well, Like I'm like sort of anxious,

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<v Speaker 1>like usually have some sort of physical malady you know

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<v Speaker 1>that's like plaguing me and just like and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>miserable like leading up to the show. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>show is like you know, usually great and then I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like basically normal and happy after that. But this time,

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<v Speaker 1>actually I was like I was in pretty decent shape

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<v Speaker 1>considering Yeah, so like so I felt pretty good and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then you know, the show felt really good,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just like I was quite felt pretty

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<v Speaker 1>high after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have like a vision in it? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>think I think this is going to go like this?

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<v Speaker 2>Or you or you just like I've got no idea

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen here?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, It's like it's just always I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what's what's going to happen. It's always like that, Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>it is. It's always like that. And and but the

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<v Speaker 1>thing is is that like I tend to go on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>like if it's like a huge festival or if it's

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<v Speaker 1>like just a club show, I generally tend to go

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<v Speaker 1>on being like you know with just like I I like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like like peacock style. I just like those feathers

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<v Speaker 1>come out like no matter what, like you know, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how I'm feeling, how terrible or generally, cause like

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<v Speaker 1>the three hours leading on to going on stage is

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<v Speaker 1>just it's hell. It's almost like I've had to written

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<v Speaker 1>write it down in like books to be like remember

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<v Speaker 1>the three hours before, because like when you're in it,

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<v Speaker 1>you just forget, like you know, just like just like

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<v Speaker 1>how like painful it is, You're just like you feel

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<v Speaker 1>like my like my like I feel physically kind of sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like, you know, just like the weight

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. It's like it's like all the baggage

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<v Speaker 1>of like the last fifteen years of being in a

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<v Speaker 1>band just like unleashed on me. And I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I even doing here? Like, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like and that's just how I feel, like before

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<v Speaker 1>going on stage, and I have the like and I

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<v Speaker 1>forget while I'm while I'm in it, I can't see

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<v Speaker 1>the forest for the trees, so like so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like now finally I kind of go, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 1>just this is just this is just how you feel.

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<v Speaker 1>But usually have to ask a few people around me

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, like, you know, what am I doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>And they're like, no, don't worry, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>your pros, this that you go through. But like but

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, but then when when when when I hit

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<v Speaker 1>the stage, like I'm like, I'm you know, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go out there, and I'm just I just got a steamroll.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got a steamroll, you know, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where that like sort of like false sense of

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<v Speaker 1>confidence come from. But then I just like go out

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<v Speaker 1>there and it's just like I get that pow from like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just like usually from the audience, just like

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<v Speaker 1>even just seeing them, you know, and just like feeling

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<v Speaker 1>that initial sort of like reception. I just like get

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<v Speaker 1>a power and then and then and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's a blur. It's just like I no recollection of

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<v Speaker 1>what happens up there. But you know, it's just like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in I'm in the zone. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever watched yourself back on performances that have

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<v Speaker 2>been filmed? Have you ever seen it?

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<v Speaker 1>Tiny little, tiny little clips. Yeah, And it's confusing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I just like, I don't I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. I don't remember being that person, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I like it just it's disorienting to watch. Really, yeah, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. It's not something I enjoyed. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's quite common, isn't it for most You

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<v Speaker 2>know a lot of actors who don't watch any of

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<v Speaker 2>their films and things. And I'm sure it's the same

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<v Speaker 2>for performers who are just like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>actually see what it looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Because then you're self conscious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then you might stop doing the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you do because you might think.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you start analyzing a little bit and start feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like more self aware, and that's like that's like my

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing about being on stage is like it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like that, it's like that respite from self awareness for

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<v Speaker 1>like that whatever. It is like our in ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, like you know, and that's like the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest gift, one of the greatest gifts ever been given.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's the best performer you've seen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there's like there's several people that stand out.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, ah man, yeah, I mean let me think here,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm always bad, like when when I get put

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<v Speaker 1>on the spot about these things.

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<v Speaker 2>We can come back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, like I'll say, you know, Nick

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<v Speaker 1>Cave is incredible, you know, because he has like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, when I started, one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>time I saw him perform, like I'd been watching like

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<v Speaker 1>like videotapes of him in the birthday party when he

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<v Speaker 1>was like performing back then, and that was like for me,

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<v Speaker 1>like that was like that was like that was fuel

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<v Speaker 1>for the fire. It was like it was like I

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<v Speaker 1>was just chew on that. Like in my early days,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, oh, so like totally untethered and like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like unbridled, like you know, insane. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he was pretty really really high at the time too.

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<v Speaker 1>But like but but just like you know, the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the abandon you know on stage was just like so

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<v Speaker 1>impressive to me. And how like Carnal was. I was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I you know, mostly seen him in that context

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<v Speaker 1>on like you know, these sort of old videotapes and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff of those performances, the birthday party. But like, but

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<v Speaker 1>then when I went to go see the Bad Seeds,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably in his fifties or something at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and just the swagger, you know, the like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just uh, the ballad I love, I'm a ballad ballads girl,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so like so you know, there's I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like singing a ballad is, like, especially as a man,

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<v Speaker 1>is like the most like kind of badass kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing you could do. Like you think, like I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's like this misconcept. Well maybe I'm maybe there's the misconception,

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<v Speaker 1>but I always thought that maybe there'd be this misconception

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<v Speaker 1>that like that like you know, it's like you know

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<v Speaker 1>badass to be like like really punk or like like

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<v Speaker 1>you don't care, like you know like like like aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>or something on stage, because I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>that myself. But actually, like you know, what's really badass

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<v Speaker 1>is like is being vulnerable and like and singing like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a love song or something as a man.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, he's got that obviously like down pat but

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<v Speaker 1>like but but yeah, just his his overall like charisma

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<v Speaker 1>and his effect on the audience is incredible. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that there's like there's like, you know, there's been so

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<v Speaker 1>many performers that have blown my mind looks interior like totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was shocked too, because I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was like I saw him maybe like in his like

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<v Speaker 1>mid fifties or something at a at a club in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City and so mid fifties, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he had no shirt on, he had his like pat

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<v Speaker 1>leather pants on. He like climbed like climb climbed some

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<v Speaker 1>crazy rafters. He was like had his hand down his

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<v Speaker 1>pants like like on the floor like gyrating and like

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like I was just like, what is this.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like insane that he's like doing this now,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just didn't and it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, even though it was like you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds kind of gimmicky. What it just felt like it

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<v Speaker 1>was just like so raw and like exciting and like electrical,

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<v Speaker 1>like still at that that suit point, Yeah, that's that

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<v Speaker 1>that really suited him. But but yeah, I think like

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<v Speaker 1>as like really into like kind of you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>macho but like kind of sensitive super like like oozing

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<v Speaker 1>sexuality kind of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when Nick Cave does that particularly well, isn't he?

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<v Speaker 2>And he looks so good in a suit and a waistcoat.

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<v Speaker 2>He just yeah, he just always looks impeccable. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever met him? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how was that?

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<v Speaker 1>It's intimidating, you know. Yeah, he's like he's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's, he's he's a strong presence. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>kind of he's got like a grumpy grandpa kind of

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<v Speaker 1>vibe a little bit where like where you're like afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to say something that he'll just sort of like like, huh,

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<v Speaker 1>the stupid thing. Why would you say that? You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he's like he's a bit like intimating, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but he's like, you know, he's so he's,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's so cool and like you know, he's like

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<v Speaker 1>this like awesome, awesome, dude. But yeah, he's yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's a bit intimating.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where in what situation did you meet him?

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<v Speaker 1>I met him a few times because like our our

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<v Speaker 1>producer Nick Launay, who's produced last like a few of

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<v Speaker 1>our records, he does all the Batsies records. So I

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<v Speaker 1>met him through Nick. But I remember meeting him after

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<v Speaker 1>like like a show that he played here. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was the I Don't Want It, the Forum, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know where he played, and I said something really dor

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<v Speaker 1>cute like and I was really young at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, you know, I don't know, twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said something like, but this is like it's genuine.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what do I say to this? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was like, thanks for thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for all the stories that you tell, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>you know, thanks for the music. I mean, like it's

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<v Speaker 1>so generic, but like, but you know, what else do

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<v Speaker 1>you say?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, probably he must have he must have liked that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you appreciate that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, he was nice about it, But you

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<v Speaker 1>were like.

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<v Speaker 2>Beating yourself up, thinking, damn, I had my chance, that

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<v Speaker 2>was my chance.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I said that that's that's as good as

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<v Speaker 1>it gets. But that's like me, on like every every

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<v Speaker 1>day level, I'm always like I could have said something

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<v Speaker 1>so much wittier. That's how I'm going to feel after

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<v Speaker 1>this this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, that's everyone does that. That's like, that's the story

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. I think, especially if you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you if someone gives you ship somewhere and you just

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<v Speaker 2>think you can't You're you think of the comeback about

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<v Speaker 2>two hours late, and you're like, that's why I should

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<v Speaker 2>have said that. That would have flawed them if I'd

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<v Speaker 2>said that in that mo Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like sometimes like you think like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if this happening where you like where you try

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<v Speaker 1>to anticipate like what the question is going to be,

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<v Speaker 1>and you come up with the answer before like you

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<v Speaker 1>get the question, but then the question never comes, so

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have that like you're like, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>armed with this awesome witty response to that question and

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<v Speaker 1>that question never.

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<v Speaker 2>So Earlier this year, you released lux Primo with Danger Mouse.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite cosmic and epic, but it's also quite low

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<v Speaker 2>fi in a way. I mean, how would you describe it?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think like, yeah, it's yeah, it's it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me like kind of I use the word lush,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because there's definitely the kind of moments of

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<v Speaker 1>lushness I use I say, it's kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most boring ways to describe something is

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<v Speaker 1>cinematic these days. But like, but really, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>think where Brian and I overlap is kind of our

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<v Speaker 1>love for like I don't know, like you know, French

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<v Speaker 1>and Italian, like you know, cinema from like the seventies

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<v Speaker 1>and the sixties, so like, and there's just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a kind of tone and feeling about that that

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we're trying to emulate a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, you know, it's it's I've described it as

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of a mix between and I've never was

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<v Speaker 1>like a kind of a Floyd like a big Floyd person,

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<v Speaker 1>but like but like there's like, you know, it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like there's some touches of Floyd. It meets Phil Spector

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. And Phil Spector, even though his stuff

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<v Speaker 1>was really lush wall of sound, it there was there

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<v Speaker 1>almost is like kind of a low fi vibe to

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<v Speaker 1>some of the way that his music sounds. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like I hear like you know, shitty mix like

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<v Speaker 1>shitty masters of of of those of those songs. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's like kind of like a fuzziness and

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a sort of there's like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of character in the way that you know his recordings

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<v Speaker 1>sound sometimes too. So so those all those things to mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's kind of got that surge gains bag

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<v Speaker 2>kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which which is awesome to

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<v Speaker 1>which is really great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course. And I've read that you in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of meeting Brian aka Danger Mouse, Yeah, you drunk dialed him.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe it or not? I hardly believe it myself,

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<v Speaker 1>like because like I had no recollection of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he like brought that up during a New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times article and I was just like and it yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like and then like in the farther like

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<v Speaker 1>the farthest recesses of my of my mind, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a little bit of like like like a

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<v Speaker 1>little twinkling like oh yeah, like I think that did happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I did do that. Yeah, So I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I can't remember where I was under what circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think I I think I drunk out him,

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<v Speaker 1>and usually when when I drunk dial someone, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like really happy, go lucky, with like tons of

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<v Speaker 1>like we're gonna make something amazing together. It's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing that ever happened. And then like I

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<v Speaker 1>sober up and either I don't recall doing it or

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<v Speaker 1>like or I or then I like sort of really

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<v Speaker 1>regret he kept doing in the first place. But but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's yeah, I think that's I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably how I kicked off.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, because it's quite a long time ago, right, it

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<v Speaker 2>was like two thousand and by his reculations and eight

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe he's six and I think it's seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, Okay, so this would have been eight. This

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<v Speaker 2>would have been around show your bones. That's why you

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<v Speaker 2>would have like what you would.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably after that, yeah, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And you just called in to say, hey, we should

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<v Speaker 2>make some music to go. This is gonna be amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's obviously taken quite a while. Did you made

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<v Speaker 2>this record last year?

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<v Speaker 1>I presume it was actually twenty six It was mostly

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<v Speaker 1>done in twenty sixteen. Okay, wait, yeah, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>over twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's in that same interview. It's a New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times interview. Right, where did you do you describe

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<v Speaker 2>him as a matcho, as like a really.

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<v Speaker 1>Match Yeah, yeah, like a dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised to read that. Yeah, I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think just looking at him, I wouldn't have I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, he looks so cuddly, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I got that wrong. Yeah, no, I could see

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sharing too much. No, really good posture for like

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<v Speaker 1>a cuddly guy. I always think of him as quite

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, like you know, I wouldn't say like stiff,

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<v Speaker 1>but I would say like, you know, good, but like yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now he's wait sorry, what was the question was?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was just saying that, maybe I think he

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm confusing the fact that he's got a beard

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<v Speaker 2>with making him seem cudly. Does he? But he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's quite a match guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Oh the macho Yeah yeah, yeah, No, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like Brenton and I like we only hung out,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, we kind of would cross paths. Nick

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<v Speaker 1>and Nick from Yeah Yeas and him were actually rolling

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<v Speaker 1>deep at one point in New York, him and Disease

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sorry, the comedian and Brian would go out

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not well known, but you know and

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<v Speaker 1>they would like, you know, that would be like their

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<v Speaker 1>bro post that gang. That would be their gang. And

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<v Speaker 1>then like yeah, they'd go to clubs like like bar

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<v Speaker 1>hopping and like you know, kind of picking up you

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<v Speaker 1>know ladies. I was like, I could never like I

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<v Speaker 1>had trouble being like really like they those three those

0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.800
<v Speaker 1>they were like scoring chicks. I just didn't see like

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<v Speaker 1>like the crew that like anyway. But but uh but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like uh so I would kind of run into him,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like like after a gig or like or

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<v Speaker 1>we would just sort of so I didn't really know

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<v Speaker 1>him very well as kind of casual you know, acquaintance

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<v Speaker 1>for those years, and then we kind of got to

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<v Speaker 1>know him, you know when when we were making this record,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, he's like he's he's he's very much like

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<v Speaker 1>a guy's guy. Yeah, he's like, you know, watches like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sports and you know it's kind of yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just like into yeah, he's just yeah, he's he's

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<v Speaker 1>a very masculine fella.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick like that as well then, yeah, that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>would presume. I would kind of like.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever watched towards you watched the guy, he's yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>next next, like, yeah, he's a goth. He's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like he's just like a goth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's got he's got his photography and already

0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:23.960
<v Speaker 2>got Yeah. So the thought of those two and kind of.

0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Music, you know, the music is like, that's kind of like, yeah,

0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.000
<v Speaker 1>as he's thing, I'm not sure that's like left he

0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:30.800
<v Speaker 1>has been like, he's a huge he's a huge music

0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:33.320
<v Speaker 1>fan too, So I think maybe he got pulled in

0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 1>that way. But Brian knows a lot of different people

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.040
<v Speaker 1>from all walks of of the entertainment industry in the world.

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But like but but yeah, but yeah, he's he was

0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:44.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of a dude. So like so when I was

0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 1>working with him, yeah, it felt kind of like I

0:21:47.080 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 1>was breaking some new ground. You know, he's worked with

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.159
<v Speaker 1>women before, but like, but like to do like a

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:52.920
<v Speaker 1>full record.

0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not like this though.

0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Did you feel like you had a positive influence

0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>on him by the end of it? Did you feel

0:21:58.080 --> 0:21:59.360
<v Speaker 2>like had you softened him a bit?

0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I think so, I'd like to say I did before

0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:03.960
<v Speaker 1>it's become a live thing.

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.520
<v Speaker 2>You did the exhibition, it's kind of an installation.

0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:09.679
<v Speaker 1>The installation. Yeah, yeah, I'm encounter as we.

0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Call it, which I saw a video for a trailer for.

0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Is it finished now? The exhibition?

0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was quick, yeah, and it was at I've

0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:23.840
<v Speaker 2>written this Town. It was at the Art Foundation in

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:27.760
<v Speaker 2>l a yea. And it looked incredible from the film

0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that I saw. How would you to anyone listening to

0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.560
<v Speaker 2>this that didn't see it or or might not know

0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:37.439
<v Speaker 2>about it, how would you describe what was? What it was,

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 2>what the actual installation was.

0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, Okay, this is where I really do it. No justice,

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>but I'll try my best. So yeah, So, like so

0:22:49.119 --> 0:22:53.439
<v Speaker 1>for one thing, you know, we were like above everything

0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.360
<v Speaker 1>else is supposed to be like kind of a listening

0:22:55.680 --> 0:23:00.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a communal listening experience where you know,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the thought was like people maybe like less and less

0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:08.840
<v Speaker 1>these days are kind of getting together hanging out and

0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.080
<v Speaker 1>listening to like a record, right, so like so so

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.760
<v Speaker 1>this is like our our like our version of that

0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 1>like on on on on steroids and maybe like some

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>hallucinogenics or something. But like, but yes, we wanted to

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>bring people together uh to sort of bliss out to

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this music. And so we we partnered with with like

0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:34.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, Meyer Sound, who like kind of basically designed

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:37.400
<v Speaker 1>this whole you know, sort of audio setup. So you're

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.640
<v Speaker 1>totally engulfed, like you're kind of surrounded, like quadrophonic sound.

0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.639
<v Speaker 1>You're you're surrounded by by the sound, so you're kind

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.960
<v Speaker 1>of hearing it travel around this this amazing, amazingly big

0:23:46.200 --> 0:23:49.719
<v Speaker 1>room at the Marciano Museum. And it's also we had

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 1>a centerpiece which was this like monolith you know, which

0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 1>is also sitting on top of like all these sub speakers,

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and there was a speaker hanging above it as well.

0:23:58.520 --> 0:24:00.639
<v Speaker 1>So so it was like it was like, you know,

0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>completely surround sound. You're engulfed in the sound, and it's

0:24:02.800 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>also just like kind of coming at you. Uh So

0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 1>listening to something like it's like kind of how you

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess, you know, listen to films to a certain

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 1>degree these days when they have like kind of this

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.239
<v Speaker 1>surround sound. But like, yeah, you just don't usually hear

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.680
<v Speaker 1>music that like that anymore, you know, especially even even

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 1>when you go to like a concert, you're usually kind

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>of you know, you know, looking at a stage and

0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:24.480
<v Speaker 1>and and like the speakers are just going to point

0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:26.159
<v Speaker 1>it at you and you're just like hearing it, like

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:27.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, coming straight at you. But this is like

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you're just completely engulfed in it, right. And then you know,

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and then we had this guy dab Evans who does like,

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, this really amazing macro photographic I guess a

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>photography and art really just textures, you know, and it's

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 1>amazing because like with some you know, and they're all

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>in it's not none of it's you know, cg. It's

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.080
<v Speaker 1>all just like you know, natural. So he'll like you know,

0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>he'll have like you know, he did some some textures

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:58.239
<v Speaker 1>of like just like freezing some water and uh or

0:24:58.280 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know, actually he uses like some nail pop

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:01.960
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, and he like any any and

0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 1>he like does this macrophotography of it and it literally

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>looks like like like you know, like the auror borealis

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>or like the constellations, like it just it it's so

0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>evocative of like of some cosmic stuff and also just

0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 1>like organic stuff like like maybe like you know, lava

0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:18.680
<v Speaker 1>or like the beginning like the sort of like the

0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>dawn of the dawn of time, you know, on Earth

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and like a planet forming like all those sort of phenomena,

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.439
<v Speaker 1>and so we're projecting that like onto this monolith. You know,

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 1>it kind of comes to life and the and like

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>it just starts like the surface of it just starts

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>like you know, slowly, you know, shifting and like kind

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>of like almost like subliminally. And then and then it

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.359
<v Speaker 1>kind of like as you know, like kind of uh

0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, it evolved like what happens, what happens

0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to it, But it's just like it's almost like yeah,

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's like experiencing like like the like the

0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the world or something like that, right, And

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:51.520
<v Speaker 1>then we had like to Bias, who's like, you know,

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.520
<v Speaker 1>this incredible like lighting artist who like you know lit

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.880
<v Speaker 1>the room. We have like you know, lasers that are

0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>coming like cutting through the rock at moments where where

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 1>it just feels like you're and like you're like in

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.280
<v Speaker 1>that film two thousand and one. You know, it's just

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>like it was like it was it was it was

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>such a trip, i tell you, and you know, and

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the and there's like this very very special moment during

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>the song Reveries, which is like you know, like you know,

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.520
<v Speaker 1>incredibly sort of starts a very intimate song on the record,

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>but like it's vast and it feels like it's about

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the theme of it feels very like

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:24.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, like meeting meeting your maker to a certain degree.

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:27.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like, you know, it's it's like meeting

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the end to a certain certain degree. And uh, there's

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.800
<v Speaker 1>a moment where we have like this rain that just starts,

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, falling in the room and and like it's

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 1>lit by these lays, by by this laser light, and

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it looks like diamond rain falling on like you know,

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and you're you're inside this room, but it feels like

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you could be you know, like I don't know, it

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>just like like you know, sitting you know, outside in

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:52.560
<v Speaker 1>some very special place, just totally like engulfed in in sound,

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>light and like and and like you can smell the

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 1>rain falling on them on the rock. I mean, it

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 1>was really it was something. It was something like pretty

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:00.800
<v Speaker 1>bad in that sense.

0:27:00.840 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, the room that it was in on the

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 2>video I saw looks absolutely huge.

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 1>It was huge. It was a huge, like a.

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Massive room and people come to people would people like

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 2>buy a ticket and come for a viewing viewing, yeah,

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and stay for the whole record, whole shot.

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was awesome because well for this particular uh

0:27:22.080 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, incarnation of it, tickets were free, you know,

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.239
<v Speaker 1>so you just signed up for it and and uh

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>there was like four viewings a day and like yeah,

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 1>you kind of like be like an hour between coming

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>in and like having experience was like around forty five

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 1>minute like experience and then leaving and stuff. But like

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.680
<v Speaker 1>but but yeah, I mean people would like kind of

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>leave in like in a total days. Yeah, yeah, into

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the world, but like but you just retain a bit

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 1>of you know, of that you know with you. And

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>it was it was I gotta say, it was like,

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was like a like momentous effort to

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>get this you know made, because like it was basically

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been done before, you know, and like in the

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.120
<v Speaker 1>questions usually I was like, so, ye are you gonna

0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>be playing like Live to the Actually we're not gonna

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>be there. But but but yeah, like you know, it

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 1>took a lot of like leaps of faith for like,

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, people with money to because it was really

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 1>expensive to to like to to like just you know,

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>want to make it happen, and it was just just

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>so much. It was just like, you know, so much

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.080
<v Speaker 1>went into just trying to get it made. But like

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.399
<v Speaker 1>but we did. We got there like kind of like

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I say, it's like it's like I kind of manifested

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>it in this crazy way to a certain degree. And

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I invited David Lynch and and he

0:28:43.080 --> 0:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>showed up, which is insane because he just doesn't go

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to like anything. Yes, I know, I know, David. Uh

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's just from like, you know, a few

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 1>things we did. I did Pinky's dream on his on

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.560
<v Speaker 1>his crazy fun time, you know whatever. But like but

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>but he showed it and and and yeah, and you know,

0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I uh, I like I ran into him right before

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>like it started, and I like brought him to his seat.

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>It was like in the dark. It was like about

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 1>to start, and I was like I had this like

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>long like golden dress on. I was like basically like

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>every step was like a hazard, just like I was

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna trip over myself while I was, you know, escorting

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.520
<v Speaker 1>David to like this bench next to my parents actually

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 1>in the dark as as I was as it was beginning,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, and he wrote me afterwards and because

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I did, like, you know, I bounced as soon as like,

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, as soon as it was over. I didn't

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>want to you know, see anybody or you know here

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.719
<v Speaker 1>anything but like but but he wrote, you know, but

0:29:37.880 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>he wrote he wrote me after that and and yeah,

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>he loved it. And he was just like he's like

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.800
<v Speaker 1>he's God, I can't. It was like he's like fantastic

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>dream pop like uh dub dub like wild crazy. I

0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like I he like he like speaks in

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>David Lynch slang. But you know, but him being there

0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:01.200
<v Speaker 1>was like it was like, I you know, like thank you,

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>thank you Heavens for bestowing the avantage upon this this

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>project that we've you know, worked so hard to create.

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>It was it was super special. But like, yeah, like

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>I really hope we can bring it to London. Yeah.

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Cool. I was going to say, you have to take

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>this around, right because there's just been so much work.

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Put into so much Yeah, and it's just like yeah,

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's just yeah, we're figuring it out. We're

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 1>figuring it out. It's just you know, and I have

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 1>faith that we'll be able to bring it here. It's

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>it's it's super rad.

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Would it mean you're having to fly that massive rock?

0:30:33.840 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it's actually a replica that we're rock you

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>know yeah, real rock is twelve tons.

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and you put it

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>to you kind of put this together on the Skywalker Ranch, right,

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>which is George Lucas's mega kind of mixing facilities.

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that just north of val Yeah, no, it's north

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>of San Francisco Okay.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, so it's helped in northern California.

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Ye, like where you walks living.

0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was it. What was it like going there?

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Are they?

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's amazing?

0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Are you a fan of a US Star Wars fans?

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 1>You're kidding? I mean not as not as not as

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 1>big of a fan as my husband Barnaby, who created

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>have directed this, but like but.

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Still like was he freaking out? He was like breaking out,

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>crazy excited.

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The first thing that we did is like you

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.479
<v Speaker 1>check in, you know, at like the sort of welcome

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the welcome welcome house. It just like it feels like,

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's like yeah, I like kind of

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 1>feels like a shire or something. You know. It's like

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's just like this world onto itself, but

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like kind of its own, like you know, it's

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>its own little city, nestled in in like the Redwoods.

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.479
<v Speaker 1>It's really beautiful. And yeah, the first thing that we

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>did is like when we arrived at the welcome house

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>is like they make you sign in and you sign

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>in with these like Skywalker Ranch pens, you know, and

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 1>everyone just like kept the pen.

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Be keeping everything. Yeah, just be like what what is

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 2>legitimate for me to take question?

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>And we were we were talking about how like I

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know, like you know if yeah, if you remember Charlie,

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 1>uh like was it uh Wonka? What's what's it called?

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>That late Charlie Choco Factory with Gene Gene Hackman, right, Ye.

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 2>Gene Hackman could be another film, Yeah, be another film,

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>wild gen Wild.

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Like at the end of that movie for the people

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.520
<v Speaker 1>who don't know you haven't seen that, you know, they

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>got like this gob stopper. Yeah yeah, and like and

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>the and uh and and the reason why why Charlie

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>gets to run the factories because he gives his back.

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>And so we were thinking like about the pens, like

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:48.479
<v Speaker 1>that's how they decided, like you know, you ever if

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>you're ever ever welcome back is if if if you

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 1>steal the pen that you check in with, you know,

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the Skywalker pen that you check in with, and then

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>then that's kind of the end of your relationship with

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Skywalker Ranch. But we all stole them anyway because of course,

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 1>and then it like you could buy them at the store.

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, but it was it was like it

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>was like it was it was super special being there too. Man,

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 1>it's just like you know, I mean just even just

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like the every movie they've mixed there, it's just insane.

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>And we stayed in like the the Federico Fellini room,

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>which was pretty red. Oh cool, Okay, so that's like

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>a themed director's yeah name to it.

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's not all because in my mind it would

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>have been themed.

0:33:25.040 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>From like from Star Wars.

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Like you're in the Jabba the hot room.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Jabba Yeah, no Jabba room.

0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Is there any kind of I suppose he's I suppose

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.520
<v Speaker 2>they need to be quite careful of how much kind

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>of Star Wars stuff they put. They don't really want

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 2>that today it would be a bit much if you

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.360
<v Speaker 2>went round and there were logos of you know that

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 2>the the toilet doors were like a Princess Leia and

0:33:50.400 --> 0:33:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Luke Skywalker. You know that would be too much, too

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:53.240
<v Speaker 2>Disney far.

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was actually, yeah, they're pretty they're pretty low

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 1>key on the Star Wars.

0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, so what was the Fellini room?

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it was it was cool. It's just like, you know,

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>huge Fellini posters. There's like huge movie posters everywhere, the

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.600
<v Speaker 1>most beautiful ones you've ever seen of like you know,

0:34:06.640 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>are like the best, like thee most like classic directors

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and films and stuff, and like yeah, it's all that

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, like it's a lot of wood,

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of wood and a lot of logs and yeah,

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 1>really like you know, just like super homely and just welcoming.

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>It has like a camp vibe to it, like you know,

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of I don't know if you guys have summer

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>camps here so much, but like it had like a

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>summer camp you know, kind of vibe to it.

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Our summer camps, if they still exist, are not quite

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>not quite on a par with yours. Yeah, Like the

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>US summer camps are like beautiful and they're in like

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 2>beautiful forests and you've got log cabins and they're cozy

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and homely and as a normal I'm what I'm thinking

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 2>of our holiday camps more, I guess, which are like

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.680
<v Speaker 2>normally in run down seaside towns right where it's torrential

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:01.279
<v Speaker 2>rain most time that you're there fun and you're in

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 2>like a chalet with a real which is essentially like

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>a motel.

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Like they really thin, No, no, that's where parties exactly. Yeah,

0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>I got it.

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, that that's that's close. That's what we don't

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>really have the climate for camp for real camping, like

0:35:18.760 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 2>with tents and wood. And last year I went to

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 2>I did a California road trip that's my holidays, yea.

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>And we went down the Highway one through Big Sir,

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, it was it's just incredible. But

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I've seen shots of the Skywalker Ranch, and that's that's

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>further north, isn't it, as you say, it's above above

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.280
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco. But it does look like the Ewok Village,

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't it, Like it's quite yeah, and.

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.719
<v Speaker 1>It totally does. Yeah, and like and yeah, the gift

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>shops kind of amazing there and they even like sell

0:35:56.000 --> 0:36:00.120
<v Speaker 1>their own like Waggy beef, right, Okay, they have I

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 1>guess they have cows there that Skywalker cows. But like

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.799
<v Speaker 1>but it's yeah, it's quite it's quite a it's like

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and everyone looks very happy working there.

0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I bet.

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this drama but like, but you don't see it

0:36:12.320 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>on you know, on the surface, it just looks very

0:36:14.320 --> 0:36:15.000
<v Speaker 1>like utopian.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like that thing in Disneyland how on the

0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.600
<v Speaker 2>sete I read this thing about disney Light about how

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:25.880
<v Speaker 2>because it has to present itself as this heaven on

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Earth kind of place. Yeah, you'll never see anyone emptier

0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:32.839
<v Speaker 2>bin in Disneyland. They empty them from underground.

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, right right, right right.

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Because they don't want someone ruining the vibe. Like you're

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.359
<v Speaker 2>skipping through Disneyland having the best time of your life

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and you're with Goofy or whatever, and then you see

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>a guy like hauling a bin out and all this

0:36:47.160 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of rubbish falling on the b scrabbling to pick

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 2>it up. So they cut all of that out by

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.720
<v Speaker 2>like doing it from underneath, which is just that amount

0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:58.919
<v Speaker 2>of effort to protect the brand I think is kind

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 2>of quite I'm quite crazy.

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very American. That's American vibes right there.

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, pain over it, pain.

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:10.919
<v Speaker 1>Over yeah, like you know, like yeah, like it's the yeah,

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of smoking mirrors, you know, everything is awesome.

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. In terms of exhibitions and installations that

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 2>museums do you get to go to? Do you go

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 2>to many? Do you get to go out to? You know,

0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:27.320
<v Speaker 2>what's the big museum in LA.

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>There's Lachma, which is which is really it has it

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>has a bunch though, Lacka Lakmamoka, There's the Getty, but like, yeah,

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Lacma is the one we go to the most.

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 2>I think that's the one called the lights outside on

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>the whole the street light.

0:37:42.960 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really cool. And during the summer they do

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.839
<v Speaker 1>like a jazz a free jazz night every Friday night.

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 1>That's like pretty fun to go to. But yeah, you know, yeah,

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 1>just usually go with yeah with the family, like, you know,

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 1>not that much. I don't get out that much, you know.

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.279
<v Speaker 2>Did you you go to did you mention to see

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:01.879
<v Speaker 2>the Bowie One?

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:38:03.800 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't if the Bowie One even came to the

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:09.239
<v Speaker 2>States yet. Maybe it was just before he died. It

0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>was about the year before he died. I think it

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:12.279
<v Speaker 2>was at the VNA here.

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 1>I start at the VNA here.

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, with the headphones where it kind of walked

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>to you. It basically you went and you were given

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 2>headphones like you are in most museums, but instead of

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:26.120
<v Speaker 2>keying in the number as you get to them, it

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 2>knew where you were in the room and it would

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 2>just start playing.

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 1>You right, that piece, right right, right right.

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was incredible.

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I vaguely remember. I think I think we're

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I think we might have been mixing a record. Was

0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it like twenty twelve I was here or not?

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:47.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it might. It might have been as early as that. Yeah,

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 2>it was definitely. It was definitely at least a couple

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>of years before.

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay he died and stuff.

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, were you a big Boi fan? Are you a

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:58.399
<v Speaker 2>big boy fan? I find that I actually am sad

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and now listening to Bowie then he first died.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeahs that you feel that.

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.240
<v Speaker 2>At the time when it happened, I was kind of like, well,

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, these things happen, It's going to come to us,

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.200
<v Speaker 2>so I was quite pragmatic about it. Yeah, but now

0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 2>when I listened to David Bowie's songs, I'm I'm more

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 2>affected now than I was then.

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah that, yeah, I can I could see that,

0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, that that kind of that kind of talent

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 1>and that kind of like yeah, that kind of artist

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 1>just like it's just doesn't come around, you know.

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.640
<v Speaker 2>That's it. It's yeah, it's so sad.

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he did pretty good. He definitely left his work.

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Are there any of those greats who are still with

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 2>us that you're when the time comes you'll be particularly

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like gutted by like any.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Of music artists. Yeah, yeah, let's see. Yeah, because Leonard

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>went recently. That was that was I felt that one

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.680
<v Speaker 1>for sure, and Lou I felt that one a lot.

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Did you ever meet Lou Reid?

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:02.040
<v Speaker 1>Never met him, came close, but I kind of chose

0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>to not do that do that?

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Was that just because you were like I don't

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>what I've got in my head what Lou read is

0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 2>and I don't.

0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, I didn't know. I and his reputation

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.720
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty bad for being like pretty ornery and stuff,

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yeah, I don't want to yell

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>at me. And then like you know, I mean I

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>would have been fine with that, you know, him yelling

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>at me, but but I was just like, yeah, I

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>just didn't And I just also didn't have anything meaningful

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>to say, you know to him so much, but like

0:40:27.600 --> 0:40:30.360
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, but but I felt that that was like

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 1>a pretty big blow for me. And then let's see

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>who else. You know.

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:37.919
<v Speaker 2>This is the thing, isn't it. We're kind of running short.

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I think iggy Pop's a big one that

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>people will feel. I let the podcast and now just

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.560
<v Speaker 2>descended into me and you're talking about who's going to die.

0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It was really really cheery.

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Switch we could switch switch it up.

0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:53.960
<v Speaker 2>No, it's my fault. I shouldn't have brought it up.

0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I've come come straight for the death chat talking of

0:40:56.680 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>lou Reid. Though I recently watched your cover of Perfect

0:41:01.560 --> 0:41:02.600
<v Speaker 2>that's really great.

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks with with with dateram Yeah.

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's so it's like really sparse. I like,

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 2>how kind of that's what I liked about your crush

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.840
<v Speaker 2>songs out Oh yeah? Is that that kind of really

0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.399
<v Speaker 2>simply accompanied, which I guess you do more of now,

0:41:19.480 --> 0:41:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Like in your music you kind of put your voice

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of a bit bearer out there. Do you find

0:41:24.840 --> 0:41:26.200
<v Speaker 2>that easier as you get older?

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess so, yeah, because like I mean, when I started,

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I I the whole reason why I started

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 1>singing was because well, like the whole way, like the

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:37.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of the way that I started singing was through

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>like a through a toy megaphone that would distort my

0:41:43.040 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 1>voice so much that it just like it almost felt

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>like my voice was an instrument, right, And that's like

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>sort of what got me, like even just got this

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.080
<v Speaker 1>whole style that I did with the yea yeahs, like

0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the vocal style was was was because I started on

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.319
<v Speaker 1>a toy megaphone and and so I always had this

0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 1>sort of disconnect because that between like, you know, my

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.920
<v Speaker 1>singing voice and sort of you know, just like thinking

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 1>of it as like my voice. I guess, you know,

0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I just felt like it was the sort of instrument

0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.120
<v Speaker 1>that I played to a certain degree. And and then yeah,

0:42:13.160 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>and then I think like between like crush songs and

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:19.359
<v Speaker 1>the Moon song and like and some of this other yeah,

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 1>like just sort of yeah, maybe like just living, you know,

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 1>having lived lived and being doing music for a while,

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:30.840
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, it's okay to be naked out there and stuff,

0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I think it's you know, it's kind

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 1>of people don't you know, don't remember because it was

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>never really put out there. But I mean Nick and

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:43.600
<v Speaker 1>I started you know, making music together before. Yeahs with

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>with with what we called, you know, Unitard, which were

0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of these sort of little love songs that I

0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 1>had written just on acoustic guitar. So it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>my roots is that kind of sound, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I kind of moved away from it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for a while, and then kind of returning to it

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<v Speaker 1>here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Yeah, I saw lou Reid form once, just the

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<v Speaker 2>one time he was really it was he was in

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<v Speaker 2>a really angry mood. It was one of his angry days.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there were some that weren't angry days, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was. It was quite hard to watch. He spent

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of time shouting at the band, yelling at

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<v Speaker 2>the particularly the guitarist there's something going on stage he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like that he didn't like, and he was letting

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<v Speaker 2>everybody know about it. And then he got round to

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<v Speaker 2>Velvets track. He might have done Sunday Morning, but he

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<v Speaker 2>did it in a really bizarre way. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've checked out some of those, some of those song

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<v Speaker 1>versions where I'm just like, what like.

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<v Speaker 2>A really contrary way of being like, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of cool too. I'm like I would never

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<v Speaker 1>have like the bass to do that with one of

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<v Speaker 1>my own songs, to sing it like in this way

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody like nobody wants once. That's what like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what I love about him the most really, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>bloody mindedness, Yeah, you know, it's it's that is like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when all of us like sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote like rockers you know or or like you

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 1>know rock stars like you know, doing what we trying

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 1>to do, what we're doing. You know, there's there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>the ones like Lou who like just didn't I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it just didn't this just like he like just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of set the bar and like and he was that

0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 1>he just was that he wasn't like posturing or posing

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<v Speaker 1>as anything but himself and that in that way you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I mean he was just like such an original,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like true true. Yeah, it's just like it like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that impresses me the most, just like you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of how how how he just didn't he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>give a fuck really, you know, it's a certain degree

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<v Speaker 1>he must have given a fuck, but the like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how he like you know, for the most part, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem like he did so yeah, anyway, good night,