Speaker 1: Thank you for other stories that you tell. Thank you
Speaker 1: for you know, thanks for the music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good evening everyone, and welcome to episode seventy
Speaker 2: five of the podcast. This episode marks the first in
Speaker 2: series eight. We've been away for a couple of months
Speaker 2: and we've recorded ten new episodes. They will drop over
Speaker 2: the next ten weeks every Thursday at midnight, starting tonight
Speaker 2: with the incredible Karen O. We recorded this at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the summer and Karen was here, not to
Speaker 2: do work or to promote anything. She was here on
Speaker 2: a family holiday and she still took the time out
Speaker 2: to come and record the episode that you're about to hear.
Speaker 2: So thank you to Karen for that. I would love
Speaker 2: to flatter myself and say that Karen was just desperate
Speaker 2: to come on our podcast, but she did release a
Speaker 2: new album this year, so that might have had something
Speaker 2: to do with it. It's an incredible record called Lux Prima,
Speaker 2: but it's one that was released it kind of slipped
Speaker 2: under the radar a little bit. She made it with
Speaker 2: the producer Danger Mouse, and if you haven't heard it yet,
Speaker 2: I'd highly recommend checking it out, especially if you're a
Speaker 2: fan of kind of cosmic surge Gainsborgie dreamy pop music.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the where it sits. The pair of
Speaker 2: them haven't played any live shows yet, or what they
Speaker 2: have done is create an incredible sound installation that's premiered
Speaker 2: in LA so far. We talk about that a bit
Speaker 2: in this episode, and because it's such a kind of
Speaker 2: visual thing, I'm not sure that ivers really give credit
Speaker 2: to in our explanation of it. I have put some
Speaker 2: links in the description of this episode and along with
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Speaker 2: talk about, So check those out to get a better
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Speaker 1: I was it's like yeah, yeah, well no, no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: that's commitment, commitment to the music. It is totally commitment
Speaker 1: to the music. I'm a committed gal. Yeah, I'm dedicated.
Speaker 2: So the last time, the last time you were like
Speaker 2: in the UK kind of publicly. I guess would that
Speaker 2: have been the show last year Victoria Park?
Speaker 1: Yes, uh huh, yeah, that would be right.
Speaker 2: Yeah for the our point, Yeah, how how did the show?
Speaker 2: How was that?
Speaker 1: That was awesome? That was like, actually we had like
Speaker 1: an amazing time for that. Yeah, we kind of never
Speaker 1: know what to expect when we've been away for a
Speaker 1: while and kind of come back on the scene and
Speaker 1: you know what kind of fans change and people change,
Speaker 1: and you know, just don't really usually know who's going
Speaker 1: to be out there. But it was it was like
Speaker 1: it felt like almost like a triumphant you know, for us,
Speaker 1: Like like it just felt so good and like the
Speaker 1: excitement was like it was just like I guess it
Speaker 1: was the first year of that festival, and there was
Speaker 1: like a lot of excitement in the audience and and
Speaker 1: and we were excited to be there and and I'm
Speaker 1: really happy, you know, and we had some buddies like yeah,
Speaker 1: l CD, it almost felt like like old times because
Speaker 1: we were staying at a hotel and like, you know,
Speaker 1: l CD was staying there, and then and saw Bradford
Speaker 1: Cox from Deer Hunter was staying there. He's a buddy too,
Speaker 1: and like it was like felt like like camp summer camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good experience.
Speaker 2: They did one this year. This year's line up was
Speaker 2: a similar kind of like line up. It was like
Speaker 2: the Strokes and interpolded it. Yeah, and I think the
Speaker 2: Rock on Tours played. It was like a real kind
Speaker 2: of like for some people like a great nostalgia trip,
Speaker 2: like it's fazy.
Speaker 1: It's like it's weird because yeah, we just we also
Speaker 1: just did a festival in Long Beach, California. It's called
Speaker 1: just Like Heaven. I think it was what it was called,
Speaker 1: but before that, I think they like I think they
Speaker 1: renamed it initially was named when we were young, and
Speaker 1: then they're like, well maybe that's too on the nose.
Speaker 1: So and yeah, and it was like it was like
Speaker 1: us and like Phoenix and like Beach House and like
Speaker 1: Grizzly Bear, and it was like it was very everyone's
Speaker 1: saying it's very like two thousand and like you know,
Speaker 1: thirteen or twenty eleven or something like that. So for me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like time goes by. I'm like in
Speaker 1: such a bubble, like I don't like notice so much
Speaker 1: that like you know, when that that is equals nostalgia.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, last year you played like just
Speaker 2: a handful of shows with your years, right, it.
Speaker 1: Was like a dozen maybe, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: Do you how does that work in terms of like
Speaker 2: the practicing the set and getting together and reheasing do
Speaker 2: you or do you not? Do you not need to
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 1: We do need Oh yeah, we do need to do that.
Speaker 1: But like, but we've always been like sort of notoriously
Speaker 1: like kind of like slap dash and like sort of
Speaker 1: like I don't at least I you know, that's my attitude.
Speaker 1: I think Nick. Nick is a little bit different these days.
Speaker 1: He's like he kind of wants it to you know,
Speaker 1: wants us to really go over are the music and
Speaker 1: practice it pretty good so that we like represent and
Speaker 1: we're like, you know tight. But you know, it's still
Speaker 1: it's like a five day rehearsal or something like that
Speaker 1: after not playing for like five years or something like that.
Speaker 1: So I still think I think, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's like not very long, uh you know, to to
Speaker 1: get to get our shipped together basically, But but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: we just usually did that and then like I've always said,
Speaker 1: like you know, playing just one show in front of
Speaker 1: audience is worth like like like twenty rehearsals. Really it
Speaker 1: just like you just get it, just like just snaps
Speaker 1: you right back into into shape, you know. So like
Speaker 1: so we usually try and do like one practice show
Speaker 1: before we do any big you know, festival again, and
Speaker 1: usually that just like snaps us back into the shape.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it went, well, what did you what did
Speaker 2: you find? You saying that you know, you've been away
Speaker 2: for a while and you weren't sure what the crowd
Speaker 2: would be or what it would be like when you
Speaker 2: were walking on or the day before. Did you sleep
Speaker 2: well the day before?
Speaker 1: Actually I got a good night's sleep with this. This
Speaker 1: is very unusual. Usually I'm a mess, you know, like
Speaker 1: I like don't sleep well, Like I'm like sort of anxious,
Speaker 1: like usually have some sort of physical malady you know
Speaker 1: that's like plaguing me and just like and I'm just
Speaker 1: miserable like leading up to the show. And then the
Speaker 1: show is like you know, usually great and then I
Speaker 1: feel like basically normal and happy after that. But this time,
Speaker 1: actually I was like I was in pretty decent shape
Speaker 1: considering Yeah, so like so I felt pretty good and
Speaker 1: then and then you know, the show felt really good,
Speaker 1: and I was just like I was quite felt pretty
Speaker 1: high after that.
Speaker 2: Did you have like a vision in it? Did you
Speaker 2: think I think this is going to go like this?
Speaker 2: Or you or you just like I've got no idea
Speaker 2: what's going to happen here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like it's just always I have no idea
Speaker 1: what's what's going to happen. It's always like that, Yeah
Speaker 1: it is. It's always like that. And and but the
Speaker 1: thing is is that like I tend to go on stage,
Speaker 1: like if it's like a huge festival or if it's
Speaker 1: like just a club show, I generally tend to go
Speaker 1: on being like you know with just like I I like,
Speaker 1: I'm like like peacock style. I just like those feathers
Speaker 1: come out like no matter what, like you know, no
Speaker 1: matter how I'm feeling, how terrible or generally, cause like
Speaker 1: the three hours leading on to going on stage is
Speaker 1: just it's hell. It's almost like I've had to written
Speaker 1: write it down in like books to be like remember
Speaker 1: the three hours before, because like when you're in it,
Speaker 1: you just forget, like you know, just like just like
Speaker 1: how like painful it is, You're just like you feel
Speaker 1: like my like my like I feel physically kind of sick.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, you know, just like the weight
Speaker 1: of the world. It's like it's like all the baggage
Speaker 1: of like the last fifteen years of being in a
Speaker 1: band just like unleashed on me. And I'm just like,
Speaker 1: what am I even doing here? Like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: just like and that's just how I feel, like before
Speaker 1: going on stage, and I have the like and I
Speaker 1: forget while I'm while I'm in it, I can't see
Speaker 1: the forest for the trees, so like so you know,
Speaker 1: like now finally I kind of go, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: just this is just this is just how you feel.
Speaker 1: But usually have to ask a few people around me
Speaker 1: to be like, like, you know, what am I doing here?
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, don't worry, this is this is
Speaker 1: your pros, this that you go through. But like but
Speaker 1: but yeah, but then when when when when I hit
Speaker 1: the stage, like I'm like, I'm you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go out there, and I'm just I just got a steamroll.
Speaker 1: I just got a steamroll, you know, And I don't
Speaker 1: know where that like sort of like false sense of
Speaker 1: confidence come from. But then I just like go out
Speaker 1: there and it's just like I get that pow from like,
Speaker 1: you know, just like usually from the audience, just like
Speaker 1: even just seeing them, you know, and just like feeling
Speaker 1: that initial sort of like reception. I just like get
Speaker 1: a power and then and then and then and then
Speaker 1: it's a blur. It's just like I no recollection of
Speaker 1: what happens up there. But you know, it's just like
Speaker 1: I'm in I'm in the zone. You know.
Speaker 2: Have you ever watched yourself back on performances that have
Speaker 2: been filmed? Have you ever seen it?
Speaker 1: Tiny little, tiny little clips. Yeah, And it's confusing to me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just like, I don't I don't remember
Speaker 1: doing that. I don't remember being that person, you know,
Speaker 1: just like I like it just it's disorienting to watch. Really, yeah, totally,
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not something I enjoyed. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's quite common, isn't it for most You
Speaker 2: know a lot of actors who don't watch any of
Speaker 2: their films and things. And I'm sure it's the same
Speaker 2: for performers who are just like, I don't want to
Speaker 2: actually see what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Because then you're self conscious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you might stop doing the things that
Speaker 2: you do because you might think.
Speaker 1: Oh, you start analyzing a little bit and start feeling
Speaker 1: like more self aware, and that's like that's like my
Speaker 1: whole thing about being on stage is like it's just
Speaker 1: like that, it's like that respite from self awareness for
Speaker 1: like that whatever. It is like our in ten minutes,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, like you know, and that's like the
Speaker 1: greatest gift, one of the greatest gifts ever been given.
Speaker 2: Who's the best performer you've seen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's like there's several people that stand out.
Speaker 1: I mean, ah man, yeah, I mean let me think here,
Speaker 1: because I'm always bad, like when when I get put
Speaker 1: on the spot about these things.
Speaker 2: We can come back to that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like I'll say, you know, Nick
Speaker 1: Cave is incredible, you know, because he has like you know,
Speaker 1: and you know, when I started, one of the first
Speaker 1: time I saw him perform, like I'd been watching like
Speaker 1: like videotapes of him in the birthday party when he
Speaker 1: was like performing back then, and that was like for me,
Speaker 1: like that was like that was like that was fuel
Speaker 1: for the fire. It was like it was like I
Speaker 1: was just chew on that. Like in my early days,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, so like totally untethered and like
Speaker 1: you know, like unbridled, like you know, insane. I guess
Speaker 1: he was pretty really really high at the time too.
Speaker 1: But like but but just like you know, the you know,
Speaker 1: the abandon you know on stage was just like so
Speaker 1: impressive to me. And how like Carnal was. I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: but I you know, mostly seen him in that context
Speaker 1: on like you know, these sort of old videotapes and
Speaker 1: stuff of those performances, the birthday party. But like, but
Speaker 1: then when I went to go see the Bad Seeds,
Speaker 1: it's probably in his fifties or something at the time,
Speaker 1: and just the swagger, you know, the like you know,
Speaker 1: just uh, the ballad I love, I'm a ballad ballads girl,
Speaker 1: you know, so like so you know, there's I feel
Speaker 1: like singing a ballad is, like, especially as a man,
Speaker 1: is like the most like kind of badass kind of
Speaker 1: thing you could do. Like you think, like I think
Speaker 1: there's like this misconcept. Well maybe I'm maybe there's the misconception,
Speaker 1: but I always thought that maybe there'd be this misconception
Speaker 1: that like that like you know, it's like you know
Speaker 1: badass to be like like really punk or like like
Speaker 1: you don't care, like you know like like like aggressive
Speaker 1: or something on stage, because I do a lot of
Speaker 1: that myself. But actually, like you know, what's really badass
Speaker 1: is like is being vulnerable and like and singing like
Speaker 1: you know, a love song or something as a man.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he's got that obviously like down pat but
Speaker 1: like but but yeah, just his his overall like charisma
Speaker 1: and his effect on the audience is incredible. I know
Speaker 1: that there's like there's like, you know, there's been so
Speaker 1: many performers that have blown my mind looks interior like totally.
Speaker 1: You know, I was shocked too, because I think it
Speaker 1: was like I saw him maybe like in his like
Speaker 1: mid fifties or something at a at a club in
Speaker 1: New York City and so mid fifties, and you know,
Speaker 1: he had no shirt on, he had his like pat
Speaker 1: leather pants on. He like climbed like climb climbed some
Speaker 1: crazy rafters. He was like had his hand down his
Speaker 1: pants like like on the floor like gyrating and like
Speaker 1: and it's like I was just like, what is this.
Speaker 1: This is like insane that he's like doing this now,
Speaker 1: And it was just didn't and it didn't seem like
Speaker 1: you know, even though it was like you know, it
Speaker 1: sounds kind of gimmicky. What it just felt like it
Speaker 1: was just like so raw and like exciting and like electrical,
Speaker 1: like still at that that suit point, Yeah, that's that
Speaker 1: that really suited him. But but yeah, I think like
Speaker 1: as like really into like kind of you know, the
Speaker 1: macho but like kind of sensitive super like like oozing
Speaker 1: sexuality kind of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when Nick Cave does that particularly well, isn't he?
Speaker 2: And he looks so good in a suit and a waistcoat.
Speaker 2: He just yeah, he just always looks impeccable. Have you
Speaker 2: ever met him? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how was that?
Speaker 1: It's intimidating, you know. Yeah, he's like he's like yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's, he's he's a strong presence. You know, he
Speaker 1: kind of he's got like a grumpy grandpa kind of
Speaker 1: vibe a little bit where like where you're like afraid
Speaker 1: to say something that he'll just sort of like like, huh,
Speaker 1: the stupid thing. Why would you say that? You know.
Speaker 1: It's like he's like he's a bit like intimating, but
Speaker 1: you know, but he's like, you know, he's so he's,
Speaker 1: he's he's so cool and like you know, he's like
Speaker 1: this like awesome, awesome, dude. But yeah, he's yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's a bit intimating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where in what situation did you meet him?
Speaker 1: I met him a few times because like our our
Speaker 1: producer Nick Launay, who's produced last like a few of
Speaker 1: our records, he does all the Batsies records. So I
Speaker 1: met him through Nick. But I remember meeting him after
Speaker 1: like like a show that he played here. Maybe it
Speaker 1: was the I Don't Want It, the Forum, I don't
Speaker 1: know where he played, and I said something really dor
Speaker 1: cute like and I was really young at the time.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I don't know, twenty five,
Speaker 1: and I said something like, but this is like it's genuine.
Speaker 1: I was like, what do I say to this? Like
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, thanks for thank you
Speaker 1: for all the stories that you tell, thank you for
Speaker 1: you know, thanks for the music. I mean, like it's
Speaker 1: so generic, but like, but you know, what else do
Speaker 1: you say?
Speaker 2: You know, probably he must have he must have liked that.
Speaker 2: Do you appreciate that?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he was nice about it, But you
Speaker 1: were like.
Speaker 2: Beating yourself up, thinking, damn, I had my chance, that
Speaker 2: was my chance.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I said that that's that's as good as
Speaker 1: it gets. But that's like me, on like every every
Speaker 1: day level, I'm always like I could have said something
Speaker 1: so much wittier. That's how I'm going to feel after
Speaker 1: this this.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's everyone does that. That's like, that's the story
Speaker 2: of my life. I think, especially if you know, if
Speaker 2: you if someone gives you ship somewhere and you just
Speaker 2: think you can't You're you think of the comeback about
Speaker 2: two hours late, and you're like, that's why I should
Speaker 2: have said that. That would have flawed them if I'd
Speaker 2: said that in that mo Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then like sometimes like you think like I don't
Speaker 1: know if this happening where you like where you try
Speaker 1: to anticipate like what the question is going to be,
Speaker 1: and you come up with the answer before like you
Speaker 1: get the question, but then the question never comes, so
Speaker 1: you don't have that like you're like, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: armed with this awesome witty response to that question and
Speaker 1: that question never.
Speaker 2: So Earlier this year, you released lux Primo with Danger Mouse.
Speaker 2: It's quite cosmic and epic, but it's also quite low
Speaker 2: fi in a way. I mean, how would you describe it?
Speaker 1: I mean I think like, yeah, it's yeah, it's it
Speaker 1: seems to me like kind of I use the word lush,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's definitely the kind of moments of
Speaker 1: lushness I use I say, it's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: one of the most boring ways to describe something is
Speaker 1: cinematic these days. But like, but really, you know, I
Speaker 1: think where Brian and I overlap is kind of our
Speaker 1: love for like I don't know, like you know, French
Speaker 1: and Italian, like you know, cinema from like the seventies
Speaker 1: and the sixties, so like, and there's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: like a kind of tone and feeling about that that
Speaker 1: I feel like we're trying to emulate a little bit.
Speaker 1: I say, you know, it's it's I've described it as
Speaker 1: like kind of a mix between and I've never was
Speaker 1: like a kind of a Floyd like a big Floyd person,
Speaker 1: but like but like there's like, you know, it seems
Speaker 1: like there's some touches of Floyd. It meets Phil Spector
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And Phil Spector, even though his stuff
Speaker 1: was really lush wall of sound, it there was there
Speaker 1: almost is like kind of a low fi vibe to
Speaker 1: some of the way that his music sounds. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: just like I hear like you know, shitty mix like
Speaker 1: shitty masters of of of those of those songs. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's like kind of like a fuzziness and
Speaker 1: like a like a sort of there's like a lot
Speaker 1: of character in the way that you know his recordings
Speaker 1: sound sometimes too. So so those all those things to mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's kind of got that surge gains bag
Speaker 2: kind of.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, which which is awesome to
Speaker 1: which is really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. And I've read that you in terms
Speaker 2: of meeting Brian aka Danger Mouse, Yeah, you drunk dialed him.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 1: Do you believe it or not? I hardly believe it myself,
Speaker 1: like because like I had no recollection of that, and
Speaker 1: then he like brought that up during a New York
Speaker 1: Times article and I was just like and it yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like and then like in the farther like
Speaker 1: the farthest recesses of my of my mind, like there's
Speaker 1: just like a little bit of like like like a
Speaker 1: little twinkling like oh yeah, like I think that did happen.
Speaker 1: I think I did do that. Yeah, So I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure that I can't remember where I was under what circumstances,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I I think I drunk out him,
Speaker 1: and usually when when I drunk dial someone, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like really happy, go lucky, with like tons of
Speaker 1: like we're gonna make something amazing together. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened. And then like I
Speaker 1: sober up and either I don't recall doing it or
Speaker 1: like or I or then I like sort of really
Speaker 1: regret he kept doing in the first place. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, I think that's I think that's
Speaker 1: probably how I kicked off.
Speaker 2: Sure, because it's quite a long time ago, right, it
Speaker 2: was like two thousand and by his reculations and eight
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he's six and I think it's seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Okay, so this would have been eight. This
Speaker 2: would have been around show your bones. That's why you
Speaker 2: would have like what you would.
Speaker 1: Probably after that, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: And you just called in to say, hey, we should
Speaker 2: make some music to go. This is gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: So it's obviously taken quite a while. Did you made
Speaker 2: this record last year?
Speaker 1: I presume it was actually twenty six It was mostly
Speaker 1: done in twenty sixteen. Okay, wait, yeah, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: over twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: I think it's in that same interview. It's a New
Speaker 2: York Times interview. Right, where did you do you describe
Speaker 2: him as a matcho, as like a really.
Speaker 1: Match Yeah, yeah, like a dude.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised to read that. Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I think just looking at him, I wouldn't have I
Speaker 2: don't know, he looks so cuddly, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah I got that wrong. Yeah, no, I could see
Speaker 1: I'm sharing too much. No, really good posture for like
Speaker 1: a cuddly guy. I always think of him as quite
Speaker 1: like you know, like you know, I wouldn't say like stiff,
Speaker 1: but I would say like, you know, good, but like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: now he's wait sorry, what was the question was?
Speaker 2: When I was just saying that, maybe I think he
Speaker 2: maybe I'm confusing the fact that he's got a beard
Speaker 2: with making him seem cudly. Does he? But he's like,
Speaker 2: but he's quite a match guy.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh the macho Yeah yeah, yeah, No, I didn't
Speaker 1: seem like Brenton and I like we only hung out,
Speaker 1: like you know, we kind of would cross paths. Nick
Speaker 1: and Nick from Yeah Yeas and him were actually rolling
Speaker 1: deep at one point in New York, him and Disease
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, the comedian and Brian would go out
Speaker 1: and this is not well known, but you know and
Speaker 1: they would like, you know, that would be like their
Speaker 1: bro post that gang. That would be their gang. And
Speaker 1: then like yeah, they'd go to clubs like like bar
Speaker 1: hopping and like you know, kind of picking up you
Speaker 1: know ladies. I was like, I could never like I
Speaker 1: had trouble being like really like they those three those
Speaker 1: they were like scoring chicks. I just didn't see like
Speaker 1: like the crew that like anyway. But but uh but yeah,
Speaker 1: like uh so I would kind of run into him,
Speaker 1: you know, like like after a gig or like or
Speaker 1: we would just sort of so I didn't really know
Speaker 1: him very well as kind of casual you know, acquaintance
Speaker 1: for those years, and then we kind of got to
Speaker 1: know him, you know when when we were making this record,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's like he's he's he's very much like
Speaker 1: a guy's guy. Yeah, he's like, you know, watches like
Speaker 1: a lot of sports and you know it's kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: he's just like into yeah, he's just yeah, he's he's
Speaker 1: a very masculine fella.
Speaker 2: Nick like that as well then, yeah, that's what I
Speaker 2: would presume. I would kind of like.
Speaker 1: Ever watched towards you watched the guy, he's yeah, no,
Speaker 1: next next, like, yeah, he's a goth. He's kind of
Speaker 1: like he's just like a goth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's got he's got his photography and already
Speaker 2: got Yeah. So the thought of those two and kind of.
Speaker 1: Music, you know, the music is like, that's kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: as he's thing, I'm not sure that's like left he
Speaker 1: has been like, he's a huge he's a huge music
Speaker 1: fan too, So I think maybe he got pulled in
Speaker 1: that way. But Brian knows a lot of different people
Speaker 1: from all walks of of the entertainment industry in the world.
Speaker 1: But like but but yeah, but yeah, he's he was
Speaker 1: kind of a dude. So like so when I was
Speaker 1: working with him, yeah, it felt kind of like I
Speaker 1: was breaking some new ground. You know, he's worked with
Speaker 1: women before, but like, but like to do like a
Speaker 1: full record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not like this though.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you feel like you had a positive influence
Speaker 2: on him by the end of it? Did you feel
Speaker 2: like had you softened him a bit?
Speaker 1: I think so, I'd like to say I did before
Speaker 1: it's become a live thing.
Speaker 2: You did the exhibition, it's kind of an installation.
Speaker 1: The installation. Yeah, yeah, I'm encounter as we.
Speaker 2: Call it, which I saw a video for a trailer for.
Speaker 2: Is it finished now? The exhibition?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quick, yeah, and it was at I've
Speaker 2: written this Town. It was at the Art Foundation in
Speaker 2: l a yea. And it looked incredible from the film
Speaker 2: that I saw. How would you to anyone listening to
Speaker 2: this that didn't see it or or might not know
Speaker 2: about it, how would you describe what was? What it was,
Speaker 2: what the actual installation was.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, this is where I really do it. No justice,
Speaker 1: but I'll try my best. So yeah, So, like so
Speaker 1: for one thing, you know, we were like above everything
Speaker 1: else is supposed to be like kind of a listening
Speaker 1: you know, like a communal listening experience where you know,
Speaker 1: the thought was like people maybe like less and less
Speaker 1: these days are kind of getting together hanging out and
Speaker 1: listening to like a record, right, so like so so
Speaker 1: this is like our our like our version of that
Speaker 1: like on on on on steroids and maybe like some
Speaker 1: hallucinogenics or something. But like, but yes, we wanted to
Speaker 1: bring people together uh to sort of bliss out to
Speaker 1: this music. And so we we partnered with with like
Speaker 1: you know, Meyer Sound, who like kind of basically designed
Speaker 1: this whole you know, sort of audio setup. So you're
Speaker 1: totally engulfed, like you're kind of surrounded, like quadrophonic sound.
Speaker 1: You're you're surrounded by by the sound, so you're kind
Speaker 1: of hearing it travel around this this amazing, amazingly big
Speaker 1: room at the Marciano Museum. And it's also we had
Speaker 1: a centerpiece which was this like monolith you know, which
Speaker 1: is also sitting on top of like all these sub speakers,
Speaker 1: and there was a speaker hanging above it as well.
Speaker 1: So so it was like it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: completely surround sound. You're engulfed in the sound, and it's
Speaker 1: also just like kind of coming at you. Uh So
Speaker 1: listening to something like it's like kind of how you
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, listen to films to a certain
Speaker 1: degree these days when they have like kind of this
Speaker 1: surround sound. But like, yeah, you just don't usually hear
Speaker 1: music that like that anymore, you know, especially even even
Speaker 1: when you go to like a concert, you're usually kind
Speaker 1: of you know, you know, looking at a stage and
Speaker 1: and and like the speakers are just going to point
Speaker 1: it at you and you're just like hearing it, like
Speaker 1: you know, coming straight at you. But this is like
Speaker 1: you're just completely engulfed in it, right. And then you know,
Speaker 1: and then we had this guy dab Evans who does like,
Speaker 1: you know, this really amazing macro photographic I guess a
Speaker 1: photography and art really just textures, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: amazing because like with some you know, and they're all
Speaker 1: in it's not none of it's you know, cg. It's
Speaker 1: all just like you know, natural. So he'll like you know,
Speaker 1: he'll have like you know, he did some some textures
Speaker 1: of like just like freezing some water and uh or
Speaker 1: like you know, actually he uses like some nail pop
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and he like any any and
Speaker 1: he like does this macrophotography of it and it literally
Speaker 1: looks like like like you know, like the auror borealis
Speaker 1: or like the constellations, like it just it it's so
Speaker 1: evocative of like of some cosmic stuff and also just
Speaker 1: like organic stuff like like maybe like you know, lava
Speaker 1: or like the beginning like the sort of like the
Speaker 1: dawn of the dawn of time, you know, on Earth
Speaker 1: and like a planet forming like all those sort of phenomena,
Speaker 1: and so we're projecting that like onto this monolith. You know,
Speaker 1: it kind of comes to life and the and like
Speaker 1: it just starts like the surface of it just starts
Speaker 1: like you know, slowly, you know, shifting and like kind
Speaker 1: of like almost like subliminally. And then and then it
Speaker 1: kind of like as you know, like kind of uh
Speaker 1: you know, uh, it evolved like what happens, what happens
Speaker 1: to it, But it's just like it's almost like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like experiencing like like the like the
Speaker 1: beginning of the world or something like that, right, And
Speaker 1: then we had like to Bias, who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: this incredible like lighting artist who like you know lit
Speaker 1: the room. We have like you know, lasers that are
Speaker 1: coming like cutting through the rock at moments where where
Speaker 1: it just feels like you're and like you're like in
Speaker 1: that film two thousand and one. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: like it was like it was it was it was
Speaker 1: such a trip, i tell you, and you know, and
Speaker 1: the and there's like this very very special moment during
Speaker 1: the song Reveries, which is like you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: incredibly sort of starts a very intimate song on the record,
Speaker 1: but like it's vast and it feels like it's about
Speaker 1: you know, like the theme of it feels very like
Speaker 1: you know, like meeting meeting your maker to a certain degree.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, you know, it's it's like meeting
Speaker 1: the end to a certain certain degree. And uh, there's
Speaker 1: a moment where we have like this rain that just starts,
Speaker 1: you know, falling in the room and and like it's
Speaker 1: lit by these lays, by by this laser light, and
Speaker 1: it looks like diamond rain falling on like you know,
Speaker 1: and you're you're inside this room, but it feels like
Speaker 1: you could be you know, like I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just like like you know, sitting you know, outside in
Speaker 1: some very special place, just totally like engulfed in in sound,
Speaker 1: light and like and and like you can smell the
Speaker 1: rain falling on them on the rock. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was really it was something. It was something like pretty
Speaker 1: bad in that sense.
Speaker 2: You know, the room that it was in on the
Speaker 2: video I saw looks absolutely huge.
Speaker 1: It was huge. It was a huge, like a.
Speaker 2: Massive room and people come to people would people like
Speaker 2: buy a ticket and come for a viewing viewing, yeah,
Speaker 2: and stay for the whole record, whole shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was awesome because well for this particular uh
Speaker 1: you know, incarnation of it, tickets were free, you know,
Speaker 1: so you just signed up for it and and uh
Speaker 1: there was like four viewings a day and like yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of like be like an hour between coming
Speaker 1: in and like having experience was like around forty five
Speaker 1: minute like experience and then leaving and stuff. But like
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I mean people would like kind of
Speaker 1: leave in like in a total days. Yeah, yeah, into
Speaker 1: the world, but like but you just retain a bit
Speaker 1: of you know, of that you know with you. And
Speaker 1: it was it was I gotta say, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it was like a like momentous effort to
Speaker 1: get this you know made, because like it was basically
Speaker 1: hadn't been done before, you know, and like in the
Speaker 1: questions usually I was like, so, ye are you gonna
Speaker 1: be playing like Live to the Actually we're not gonna
Speaker 1: be there. But but but yeah, like you know, it
Speaker 1: took a lot of like leaps of faith for like,
Speaker 1: you know, people with money to because it was really
Speaker 1: expensive to to like to to like just you know,
Speaker 1: want to make it happen, and it was just just
Speaker 1: so much. It was just like, you know, so much
Speaker 1: went into just trying to get it made. But like
Speaker 1: but we did. We got there like kind of like
Speaker 1: I say, it's like it's like I kind of manifested
Speaker 1: it in this crazy way to a certain degree. And
Speaker 1: you know, and I invited David Lynch and and he
Speaker 1: showed up, which is insane because he just doesn't go
Speaker 1: to like anything. Yes, I know, I know, David. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, it's just from like, you know, a few
Speaker 1: things we did. I did Pinky's dream on his on
Speaker 1: his crazy fun time, you know whatever. But like but
Speaker 1: but he showed it and and and yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: I uh, I like I ran into him right before
Speaker 1: like it started, and I like brought him to his seat.
Speaker 1: It was like in the dark. It was like about
Speaker 1: to start, and I was like I had this like
Speaker 1: long like golden dress on. I was like basically like
Speaker 1: every step was like a hazard, just like I was
Speaker 1: gonna trip over myself while I was, you know, escorting
Speaker 1: David to like this bench next to my parents actually
Speaker 1: in the dark as as I was as it was beginning,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, and he wrote me afterwards and because
Speaker 1: I did, like, you know, I bounced as soon as like,
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as it was over. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to you know, see anybody or you know here
Speaker 1: anything but like but but he wrote, you know, but
Speaker 1: he wrote he wrote me after that and and yeah,
Speaker 1: he loved it. And he was just like he's like
Speaker 1: he's God, I can't. It was like he's like fantastic
Speaker 1: dream pop like uh dub dub like wild crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I he like he like speaks in
Speaker 1: David Lynch slang. But you know, but him being there
Speaker 1: was like it was like, I you know, like thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you Heavens for bestowing the avantage upon this this
Speaker 1: project that we've you know, worked so hard to create.
Speaker 1: It was it was super special. But like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: I really hope we can bring it to London. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool. I was going to say, you have to take
Speaker 2: this around, right because there's just been so much work.
Speaker 1: Put into so much Yeah, and it's just like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just yeah, we're figuring it out. We're
Speaker 1: figuring it out. It's just you know, and I have
Speaker 1: faith that we'll be able to bring it here. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's super rad.
Speaker 2: Would it mean you're having to fly that massive rock?
Speaker 1: Yes, but it's actually a replica that we're rock you
Speaker 1: know yeah, real rock is twelve tons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, and you put it
Speaker 2: to you kind of put this together on the Skywalker Ranch, right,
Speaker 2: which is George Lucas's mega kind of mixing facilities.
Speaker 1: Is that just north of val Yeah, no, it's north
Speaker 1: of San Francisco Okay.
Speaker 2: Right, so it's helped in northern California.
Speaker 1: Ye, like where you walks living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was it. What was it like going there?
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's amazing?
Speaker 2: Are you a fan of a US Star Wars fans?
Speaker 1: You're kidding? I mean not as not as not as
Speaker 1: big of a fan as my husband Barnaby, who created
Speaker 1: have directed this, but like but.
Speaker 2: Still like was he freaking out? He was like breaking out,
Speaker 2: crazy excited.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The first thing that we did is like you
Speaker 1: check in, you know, at like the sort of welcome
Speaker 1: the welcome welcome house. It just like it feels like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's like yeah, I like kind of
Speaker 1: feels like a shire or something. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: it's like it's just like this world onto itself, but
Speaker 1: it's like kind of its own, like you know, it's
Speaker 1: its own little city, nestled in in like the Redwoods.
Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. And yeah, the first thing that we
Speaker 1: did is like when we arrived at the welcome house
Speaker 1: is like they make you sign in and you sign
Speaker 1: in with these like Skywalker Ranch pens, you know, and
Speaker 1: everyone just like kept the pen.
Speaker 2: Be keeping everything. Yeah, just be like what what is
Speaker 2: legitimate for me to take question?
Speaker 1: And we were we were talking about how like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like you know if yeah, if you remember Charlie,
Speaker 1: uh like was it uh Wonka? What's what's it called?
Speaker 1: That late Charlie Choco Factory with Gene Gene Hackman, right, Ye.
Speaker 2: Gene Hackman could be another film, Yeah, be another film,
Speaker 2: wild gen Wild.
Speaker 1: Like at the end of that movie for the people
Speaker 1: who don't know you haven't seen that, you know, they
Speaker 1: got like this gob stopper. Yeah yeah, and like and
Speaker 1: the and uh and and the reason why why Charlie
Speaker 1: gets to run the factories because he gives his back.
Speaker 1: And so we were thinking like about the pens, like
Speaker 1: that's how they decided, like you know, you ever if
Speaker 1: you're ever ever welcome back is if if if you
Speaker 1: steal the pen that you check in with, you know,
Speaker 1: the Skywalker pen that you check in with, and then
Speaker 1: then that's kind of the end of your relationship with
Speaker 1: Skywalker Ranch. But we all stole them anyway because of course,
Speaker 1: and then it like you could buy them at the store.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, but it was it was like it
Speaker 1: was like it was it was super special being there too. Man,
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, I mean just even just
Speaker 1: like the every movie they've mixed there, it's just insane.
Speaker 1: And we stayed in like the the Federico Fellini room,
Speaker 1: which was pretty red. Oh cool, Okay, so that's like
Speaker 1: a themed director's yeah name to it.
Speaker 2: So it's not all because in my mind it would
Speaker 2: have been themed.
Speaker 1: From like from Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Like you're in the Jabba the hot room.
Speaker 1: Jabba Yeah, no Jabba room.
Speaker 2: Is there any kind of I suppose he's I suppose
Speaker 2: they need to be quite careful of how much kind
Speaker 2: of Star Wars stuff they put. They don't really want
Speaker 2: that today it would be a bit much if you
Speaker 2: went round and there were logos of you know that
Speaker 2: the the toilet doors were like a Princess Leia and
Speaker 2: Luke Skywalker. You know that would be too much, too
Speaker 2: Disney far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was actually, yeah, they're pretty they're pretty low
Speaker 1: key on the Star Wars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, so what was the Fellini room?
Speaker 1: Like it was it was cool. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: huge Fellini posters. There's like huge movie posters everywhere, the
Speaker 1: most beautiful ones you've ever seen of like you know,
Speaker 1: are like the best, like thee most like classic directors
Speaker 1: and films and stuff, and like yeah, it's all that
Speaker 1: kind of you know, like it's a lot of wood,
Speaker 1: a lot of wood and a lot of logs and yeah,
Speaker 1: really like you know, just like super homely and just welcoming.
Speaker 1: It has like a camp vibe to it, like you know,
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know if you guys have summer
Speaker 1: camps here so much, but like it had like a
Speaker 1: summer camp you know, kind of vibe to it.
Speaker 2: Our summer camps, if they still exist, are not quite
Speaker 2: not quite on a par with yours. Yeah, Like the
Speaker 2: US summer camps are like beautiful and they're in like
Speaker 2: beautiful forests and you've got log cabins and they're cozy
Speaker 2: and homely and as a normal I'm what I'm thinking
Speaker 2: of our holiday camps more, I guess, which are like
Speaker 2: normally in run down seaside towns right where it's torrential
Speaker 2: rain most time that you're there fun and you're in
Speaker 2: like a chalet with a real which is essentially like
Speaker 2: a motel.
Speaker 1: Like they really thin, No, no, that's where parties exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that that's that's close. That's what we don't
Speaker 2: really have the climate for camp for real camping, like
Speaker 2: with tents and wood. And last year I went to
Speaker 2: I did a California road trip that's my holidays, yea.
Speaker 2: And we went down the Highway one through Big Sir,
Speaker 2: and I was like, it was it's just incredible. But
Speaker 2: I've seen shots of the Skywalker Ranch, and that's that's
Speaker 2: further north, isn't it, as you say, it's above above
Speaker 2: San Francisco. But it does look like the Ewok Village,
Speaker 2: doesn't it, Like it's quite yeah, and.
Speaker 1: It totally does. Yeah, and like and yeah, the gift
Speaker 1: shops kind of amazing there and they even like sell
Speaker 1: their own like Waggy beef, right, Okay, they have I
Speaker 1: guess they have cows there that Skywalker cows. But like
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, it's quite it's quite a it's like
Speaker 1: and everyone looks very happy working there.
Speaker 2: I bet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this drama but like, but you don't see it
Speaker 1: on you know, on the surface, it just looks very
Speaker 1: like utopian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like that thing in Disneyland how on the
Speaker 2: sete I read this thing about disney Light about how
Speaker 2: because it has to present itself as this heaven on
Speaker 2: Earth kind of place. Yeah, you'll never see anyone emptier
Speaker 2: bin in Disneyland. They empty them from underground.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right right, right right.
Speaker 2: Because they don't want someone ruining the vibe. Like you're
Speaker 2: skipping through Disneyland having the best time of your life
Speaker 2: and you're with Goofy or whatever, and then you see
Speaker 2: a guy like hauling a bin out and all this
Speaker 2: kind of rubbish falling on the b scrabbling to pick
Speaker 2: it up. So they cut all of that out by
Speaker 2: like doing it from underneath, which is just that amount
Speaker 2: of effort to protect the brand I think is kind
Speaker 2: of quite I'm quite crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very American. That's American vibes right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, pain over it, pain.
Speaker 1: Over yeah, like you know, like yeah, like it's the yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of smoking mirrors, you know, everything is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. In terms of exhibitions and installations that
Speaker 2: museums do you get to go to? Do you go
Speaker 2: to many? Do you get to go out to? You know,
Speaker 2: what's the big museum in LA.
Speaker 1: There's Lachma, which is which is really it has it
Speaker 1: has a bunch though, Lacka Lakmamoka, There's the Getty, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lacma is the one we go to the most.
Speaker 2: I think that's the one called the lights outside on
Speaker 2: the whole the street light.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. And during the summer they do
Speaker 1: like a jazz a free jazz night every Friday night.
Speaker 1: That's like pretty fun to go to. But yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: just usually go with yeah with the family, like, you know,
Speaker 1: not that much. I don't get out that much, you know.
Speaker 2: Did you you go to did you mention to see
Speaker 2: the Bowie One?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't if the Bowie One even came to the
Speaker 2: States yet. Maybe it was just before he died. It
Speaker 2: was about the year before he died. I think it
Speaker 2: was at the VNA here.
Speaker 1: I start at the VNA here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with the headphones where it kind of walked
Speaker 2: to you. It basically you went and you were given
Speaker 2: headphones like you are in most museums, but instead of
Speaker 2: keying in the number as you get to them, it
Speaker 2: knew where you were in the room and it would
Speaker 2: just start playing.
Speaker 1: You right, that piece, right right, right right.
Speaker 2: It was. It was incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I vaguely remember. I think I think we're
Speaker 1: I think we might have been mixing a record. Was
Speaker 1: it like twenty twelve I was here or not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might. It might have been as early as that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was definitely. It was definitely at least a couple
Speaker 2: of years before.
Speaker 1: Okay he died and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, were you a big Boi fan? Are you a
Speaker 2: big boy fan? I find that I actually am sad
Speaker 2: and now listening to Bowie then he first died.
Speaker 1: Yeahs that you feel that.
Speaker 2: At the time when it happened, I was kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, these things happen, It's going to come to us,
Speaker 2: so I was quite pragmatic about it. Yeah, but now
Speaker 2: when I listened to David Bowie's songs, I'm I'm more
Speaker 2: affected now than I was then.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah that, yeah, I can I could see that,
Speaker 1: you know, that that kind of that kind of talent
Speaker 1: and that kind of like yeah, that kind of artist
Speaker 1: just like it's just doesn't come around, you know.
Speaker 2: That's it. It's yeah, it's so sad.
Speaker 1: I mean, he did pretty good. He definitely left his work.
Speaker 2: Are there any of those greats who are still with
Speaker 2: us that you're when the time comes you'll be particularly
Speaker 2: like gutted by like any.
Speaker 1: Of music artists. Yeah, yeah, let's see. Yeah, because Leonard
Speaker 1: went recently. That was that was I felt that one
Speaker 1: for sure, and Lou I felt that one a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you ever meet Lou Reid?
Speaker 1: Never met him, came close, but I kind of chose
Speaker 1: to not do that do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was that just because you were like I don't
Speaker 2: what I've got in my head what Lou read is
Speaker 2: and I don't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I didn't know. I and his reputation
Speaker 1: it was pretty bad for being like pretty ornery and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I don't want to yell
Speaker 1: at me. And then like you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: would have been fine with that, you know, him yelling
Speaker 1: at me, but but I was just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just didn't And I just also didn't have anything meaningful
Speaker 1: to say, you know to him so much, but like
Speaker 1: but yeah, but but I felt that that was like
Speaker 1: a pretty big blow for me. And then let's see
Speaker 1: who else. You know.
Speaker 2: This is the thing, isn't it. We're kind of running short.
Speaker 2: I think I think iggy Pop's a big one that
Speaker 2: people will feel. I let the podcast and now just
Speaker 2: descended into me and you're talking about who's going to die.
Speaker 2: It was really really cheery.
Speaker 1: Switch we could switch switch it up.
Speaker 2: No, it's my fault. I shouldn't have brought it up.
Speaker 2: I've come come straight for the death chat talking of
Speaker 2: lou Reid. Though I recently watched your cover of Perfect
Speaker 2: that's really great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks with with with dateram Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so it's like really sparse. I like,
Speaker 2: how kind of that's what I liked about your crush
Speaker 2: songs out Oh yeah? Is that that kind of really
Speaker 2: simply accompanied, which I guess you do more of now,
Speaker 2: Like in your music you kind of put your voice
Speaker 2: kind of a bit bearer out there. Do you find
Speaker 2: that easier as you get older?
Speaker 1: I guess so, yeah, because like I mean, when I started,
Speaker 1: you know, I I the whole reason why I started
Speaker 1: singing was because well, like the whole way, like the
Speaker 1: sort of the way that I started singing was through
Speaker 1: like a through a toy megaphone that would distort my
Speaker 1: voice so much that it just like it almost felt
Speaker 1: like my voice was an instrument, right, And that's like
Speaker 1: sort of what got me, like even just got this
Speaker 1: whole style that I did with the yea yeahs, like
Speaker 1: the vocal style was was was because I started on
Speaker 1: a toy megaphone and and so I always had this
Speaker 1: sort of disconnect because that between like, you know, my
Speaker 1: singing voice and sort of you know, just like thinking
Speaker 1: of it as like my voice. I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: I just felt like it was the sort of instrument
Speaker 1: that I played to a certain degree. And and then yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I think like between like crush songs and
Speaker 1: the Moon song and like and some of this other yeah,
Speaker 1: like just sort of yeah, maybe like just living, you know,
Speaker 1: having lived lived and being doing music for a while,
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's okay to be naked out there and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think it's you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of people don't you know, don't remember because it was
Speaker 1: never really put out there. But I mean Nick and
Speaker 1: I started you know, making music together before. Yeahs with
Speaker 1: with with what we called, you know, Unitard, which were
Speaker 1: kind of these sort of little love songs that I
Speaker 1: had written just on acoustic guitar. So it's kind of
Speaker 1: my roots is that kind of sound, you know. But
Speaker 1: then I kind of moved away from it, you know,
Speaker 1: for a while, and then kind of returning to it
Speaker 1: here and there.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, I saw lou Reid form once, just the
Speaker 2: one time he was really it was he was in
Speaker 2: a really angry mood. It was one of his angry days.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there were some that weren't angry days, but
Speaker 2: it was. It was quite hard to watch. He spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time shouting at the band, yelling at
Speaker 2: the particularly the guitarist there's something going on stage he
Speaker 2: didn't like that he didn't like, and he was letting
Speaker 2: everybody know about it. And then he got round to
Speaker 2: Velvets track. He might have done Sunday Morning, but he
Speaker 2: did it in a really bizarre way. You know.
Speaker 1: I've checked out some of those, some of those song
Speaker 1: versions where I'm just like, what like.
Speaker 2: A really contrary way of being like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: That's kind of cool too. I'm like I would never
Speaker 1: have like the bass to do that with one of
Speaker 1: my own songs, to sing it like in this way
Speaker 1: that nobody like nobody wants once. That's what like kind
Speaker 1: of what I love about him the most really, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: bloody mindedness, Yeah, you know, it's it's that is like that,
Speaker 1: you know when all of us like sort of you know,
Speaker 1: quote unquote like rockers you know or or like you
Speaker 1: know rock stars like you know, doing what we trying
Speaker 1: to do, what we're doing. You know, there's there's there's
Speaker 1: the ones like Lou who like just didn't I mean
Speaker 1: it just didn't this just like he like just kind
Speaker 1: of set the bar and like and he was that
Speaker 1: he just was that he wasn't like posturing or posing
Speaker 1: as anything but himself and that in that way you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean he was just like such an original,
Speaker 1: you know, like true true. Yeah, it's just like it like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that impresses me the most, just like you know, just
Speaker 1: sort of how how how he just didn't he didn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck really, you know, it's a certain degree
Speaker 1: he must have given a fuck, but the like, you know,
Speaker 1: how he like you know, for the most part, didn't
Speaker 1: seem like he did so yeah, anyway, good night,