Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Casual Chaos.
Speaker 1: This week, I have my most requested guest, Mom. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Casual Chaos.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ji, thanks for having me, and I'm your
Speaker 2: most requested guest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone wants to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. All right, So we're kind of going
Speaker 1: to go back to the beginning a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: why did you decide to join the housewives? Did you
Speaker 1: ever question putting your life, marriage and us on TV?
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think you know. I remember these
Speaker 2: producers went to the salon in Franklin Lakes called Chateau,
Speaker 2: and they requested for like, you know, beautiful women with
Speaker 2: beautiful houses, like over the top lifestyles, and the owner
Speaker 2: of the salon request The owner of the salon said,
Speaker 2: I recommend Dina and Jacqueline. So they started out with them.
Speaker 2: Then Dina recommended me, so they interviewed them. They loved them.
Speaker 2: Dina recommended me. Jacqueline recommended another friend of hers that
Speaker 2: was beautiful and was really wealthy, and but her husband
Speaker 2: said no, So her husband said now, and then then
Speaker 2: Jacqueline said, oh my god, you know, maybe that girl
Speaker 2: Danielle that comes to the salon, she'll be good and
Speaker 2: she ended up being great TV. So she got on
Speaker 2: and then Jackson also recommended her sister in law Caroline,
Speaker 2: so she got on. And then with me, they you know,
Speaker 2: they came over the house while we were redoing the
Speaker 2: house and they interviewed me right there as all three
Speaker 2: of you got you know, it was it was you,
Speaker 2: Gabriella and Milani all walking around the house while the
Speaker 2: house was you know, being real. I mean I would
Speaker 2: say re renovated. Yeah, So they interviewed us. It was
Speaker 2: very like easy, like right outside our.
Speaker 1: House, like your normal everyday life.
Speaker 2: Yes, like it was wasn't done like in the studio
Speaker 2: or they didn't come to the house bring you know,
Speaker 2: all these camera crews, none of that, because I know
Speaker 2: that's how they do it now. So it was just,
Speaker 2: you know, they just talk to us and then I
Speaker 2: guess they're like, oh my god, she's definitely TV gold,
Speaker 2: you know, and then they chased us like you know,
Speaker 2: the whole family like us because everybody else signed their
Speaker 2: contract right away and I didn't sign the contract. It
Speaker 2: was took us. It took me almost a year, and
Speaker 2: all my friends were so over me because I would ask.
Speaker 2: I would call Dina and say, well, do you think
Speaker 2: I really should do this? Or like what is this?
Speaker 2: And Jacqueline and they're oh, like, oh my god, we're
Speaker 2: so over you. Because like I didn't know when I
Speaker 2: was getting you know, I didn't understand this.
Speaker 1: But why did you have so much hesitation?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't I just didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: I was like, what, Like I thought it was kind
Speaker 2: of a joke because like never thought that, oh my god,
Speaker 2: that I was going to become this huge reality I
Speaker 2: you know, like or whatever you want to call it
Speaker 2: at that at that time, like a movie star or
Speaker 2: a big TV star.
Speaker 1: You know, like never thought that big TV star. We're
Speaker 1: not in the movies yet.
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm saying, like that's something I would say,
Speaker 2: because you know, when you're on TV, you say a
Speaker 2: movie star, you know, like that's something I say, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my language. So I never I didn't know what
Speaker 2: I was getting myself into it really, But then finally
Speaker 2: I was like it wouldn't go away, and they kept
Speaker 2: calling me and calling me and calling me, so I
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, I guess it's maybe something
Speaker 2: I should try out. So and I was kind of like,
Speaker 2: you were already at think seven or eight, and I
Speaker 2: was doing the same thing every day, so, you know,
Speaker 2: to do the same thing every day, you get bored.
Speaker 2: And I was just like I would love you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're just going to follow us around doing
Speaker 2: what we normally do, and now we'll get paid for it,
Speaker 2: you know, like going shopping, you know, hanging out with
Speaker 2: my friends. I mean, you know, of course they don't.
Speaker 2: You know, it wasn't that much, but you know, obviously
Speaker 2: now you know, throughout the years, it built up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So then I said, yeah, so then, and how I
Speaker 2: signed the contract was so easy that I didn't even
Speaker 2: have a lawyer look at it. Jacqueline was so over me.
Speaker 2: She's like Teresa, She's like, just sign it ready. So
Speaker 2: I signed it. I handed it to her and like
Speaker 2: we were together, and she stuck it in the fedexbox
Speaker 2: and that was it. So that's how I signed my
Speaker 2: contracts Oh.
Speaker 1: That's actually a very cute story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it.
Speaker 1: But it took you a while.
Speaker 2: It took me a while to sign the contract. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, would I do it again? I guess I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't hiding anything. And Daddy was like, see,
Speaker 2: if if Daddy thought he was doing something wrong, he
Speaker 2: would have told me no. So he didn't think he
Speaker 2: was doing anything wrong, like really, and.
Speaker 1: But so and those early years of the Real Housewives
Speaker 1: and now having those memories of our family when we
Speaker 1: were younger and you and Dad, it's really nice to
Speaker 1: look back on. It's almost like we have home videos.
Speaker 2: That's what to me is the best part, especially because
Speaker 2: my parents are not you know, no no, no, no, we're
Speaker 2: not here anymore. Like I love seeing that. I do too,
Speaker 2: you know, I just wish it would have been just
Speaker 2: better with them, you know, meaning like you know the
Speaker 2: part you know, of course, you know, with my brother
Speaker 2: and not you know, of course I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about him, but obviously like better times, you know, I.
Speaker 1: Wish you wish you know, there were better moments of
Speaker 1: your parents shown and not dealing with so much heartache.
Speaker 2: Yes, like you know, I wish there was like, you know, just.
Speaker 1: More more positives, basically showing the true meaning of an
Speaker 1: Italian family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Season one and two were like that, because
Speaker 2: like they were in my cook books and we video
Speaker 2: that and they're part of my you know. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: I love that you and Nona are on my second cookbook,
Speaker 2: Like we have three generations on my second you know, fabulicious,
Speaker 2: my fabulicious cookbooks. So to me, that's like something that
Speaker 2: I'll always cherish and I'm so happy I got to
Speaker 2: do that, especially because my mom's not here anymore. So
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: It was a nice memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like the I would have to say
Speaker 2: doing the show, that was the best part of it,
Speaker 2: you know, like the good memories with my parents because
Speaker 2: they're not here anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And listen, we do have good representation of what
Speaker 1: an Italian family is supposed to be like. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't see it all the time,
Speaker 1: but you do say it. You know, Dad's family has shown,
Speaker 1: you know, my sisters and I at least, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they've shown you to, you know, what family
Speaker 1: really is supposed to be like and how you're really
Speaker 1: supposed to always have each other's backs and be there
Speaker 1: no matter what, no matter what goes on. And Dad's
Speaker 1: family really does show how you know, the Italian family
Speaker 1: could be so close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they do, and that's one of the things
Speaker 2: why I wanted to be with your dad because I
Speaker 2: came from a small family and he had such a
Speaker 2: big family. Do you know what I did when I
Speaker 2: first started day and your dad, like his height bothered me.
Speaker 2: He really did. So my dad was a shoemaker, so
Speaker 2: I mean, my dad cut all my heels, so I
Speaker 2: so he wouldn't be taller than me. Did you ever
Speaker 2: know that? I feel like you don't have cut all
Speaker 2: my heels so we would be the same height.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I would do the same thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I did not want to be No, that's also
Speaker 1: it's weird. No, But then after we got married, I
Speaker 1: didn't give it anywhere. Yeah, because you were married. I
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't want to be taller than my man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I mean, so now I don't
Speaker 2: have that problem anymore. Now you don't, Loisa, Now you don't.
Speaker 1: What were your first impressions of the original cast members
Speaker 1: of Season one?
Speaker 2: Diana I loved she reminded me always of Pamela Anderson. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this blonde, bombshell sexy, she's so gorgeous, like hot, like yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I used always tell it. I'm with the big
Speaker 2: boobs like hot, smoky, hot, sexy. And then Jacqueline same thing,
Speaker 2: because I'll never forget the first time I met Jacqueline,
Speaker 2: I was like, Wow, she was hot, like sexy boobs,
Speaker 2: small waists, smoking body, sexy legs, her legs were like
Speaker 2: so hot.
Speaker 1: I feel like you always used to say that when
Speaker 1: when we were younger, that Jacqueline had the best legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she does have sexy legs. Yeah, so yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what you know. This is how I'm describing everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then there's Danielle. Danielle was let me tell you,
Speaker 2: Danielle was made back like she was TV gold. She
Speaker 2: really was, like she like she was awesome. Just she
Speaker 2: put it all out there, literally put it all out
Speaker 2: on the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean I thought she was great and she
Speaker 2: was fun to be around.
Speaker 1: Like she was.
Speaker 2: She was fun and like very easy going, just so
Speaker 2: much fun, you know. You know, even though in the beginning,
Speaker 2: like she was like insulting me a little bit. But
Speaker 2: that's what made me flip the table on her, you know,
Speaker 2: because she would just like throw these little jabs at me,
Speaker 2: like don't talk to me, like you know, or she
Speaker 2: said to Joe like don't speak to like, don't speak
Speaker 2: to me like you speak to your wife. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: you know, and stuff like that. And then and I'm
Speaker 2: the type I take it. I take it. I take it.
Speaker 2: And then when I don't take it anywhere, you know,
Speaker 2: I explode. And that's she saw that. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I have to say, but Danielle was so much fun
Speaker 2: like and like, you know, getting to know her, and
Speaker 2: then look, we ended up making up later on anyway.
Speaker 2: And Caroline. I did never hung out with Caroline. Like,
Speaker 2: Caroline was Dina's older sister, so I just kind of
Speaker 2: just respected her because she was Dina's older sister. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so and that was it. So that's how you know
Speaker 2: it was with Caroline. And then with Caroline it was
Speaker 2: like we were building a friendship because I really didn't
Speaker 2: hang out with Caroline. I hung out with her sister, Dina,
Speaker 2: And that was it. That was the cast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who did you immediately know you wouldn't get along with.
Speaker 2: I would say, if I had to pick someone, Caroline,
Speaker 2: But you flipped the table on Danielle. I know. But
Speaker 2: I liked her in the beginning. I did because she
Speaker 2: was just fun.
Speaker 1: But you didn't know if you were gonna like Caroline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was she was just older. She seemed
Speaker 2: like a little like not my speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's fun, you know.
Speaker 2: Like yeah at the time, like she wasn't like I
Speaker 2: didn't hang out with Caroline, you didn't know. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: if I had to pick someone, if you're asking me,
Speaker 2: if I had to, like, if I had to back then,
Speaker 2: if I had to pick if someone asked.
Speaker 1: Me before going into it, if you had to pick someone,
Speaker 1: it would probably be Caroline.
Speaker 2: Correct, got it, because Danielle was fun, like she really was,
Speaker 2: and I like fun people like I like having a
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 1: I know you do. What was it like having cameras
Speaker 1: around us for the first time? Did you feel like
Speaker 1: you weren't able to fully be yourself or I actually
Speaker 1: think you were more more yourself? Yeah, totally fine, not
Speaker 1: even more, but you just and I always say this,
Speaker 1: you and Dad were TV gold just because in the
Speaker 1: early years you were so funny and you still are.
Speaker 1: But it's just funny to watch yourself fifteen years ago
Speaker 1: because you know, we were all little. Our family was
Speaker 1: obviously younger, and it was just.
Speaker 2: Cute little you were little, like it was.
Speaker 1: It was just yeah, it was fifteen years ago. You
Speaker 1: looked younger. We were all little.
Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like I look I look at pictures
Speaker 2: of how my ice to do my hair and makeup
Speaker 2: back then. I feel like I look so much better now,
Speaker 2: even though I'm older. I feel like I like my
Speaker 2: hair makes different.
Speaker 1: You barely war makeup first of all in season one
Speaker 1: or two, literally nothing, and you just embraced your natural
Speaker 1: Italian beauty. You wore your hair curly, and I love
Speaker 1: your hair curly like you, it was it was just natural.
Speaker 1: You really didn't do much. That was the thing. You
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. I just that's why it's so cute too.
Speaker 2: I would always make sure you and your sisters look perfect,
Speaker 2: but you and then with me, I would just get
Speaker 2: very quick.
Speaker 1: You know. No, I listen when I look back at
Speaker 1: old photos. I love you and Dad's engagement photos. I
Speaker 1: love the photos of you guys riding your bike in
Speaker 1: the park. Who takes photos like that anymore? No one.
Speaker 1: I want a vintage camera and to take photos like
Speaker 1: my mom and dad.
Speaker 2: Dad was me. That was my doing your dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but those photos and just the way you guys looked,
Speaker 1: it was just perfect. But I don't know you have
Speaker 1: a camera. You could do the same thing. Talus shouldn't
Speaker 1: have bike me around the park. No, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was just Dad was so unfiltered. Actually he said
Speaker 1: whatever came to his mind, and he still does. But
Speaker 1: that's why people loved him because he didn't think before
Speaker 1: he He didn't think before he spoke. He just said
Speaker 1: it and it was so real. And I feel as
Speaker 1: though you and Dad changed nothing going into the show.
Speaker 1: It was how we were every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What was it like in New Jersey when Housewives first aired?
Speaker 1: How did you handle it? Did anything change around town?
Speaker 2: No? I mean you know what changed? The only thing
Speaker 2: that changed when it aired that everybody was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. They were like loving me, and they wanted
Speaker 2: to take a picture with me. I'm like a picture.
Speaker 2: I was like okay. I was like all right, So
Speaker 2: that's what changed, Like people noticing me and wanted to
Speaker 2: take a picure. Sure?
Speaker 1: And did you like that or was that a little overwhelming?
Speaker 1: At first?
Speaker 2: I didn't mind it. It was just when I had
Speaker 2: when I was with you girls, like when I had
Speaker 2: when you girls are with me Milania, Like Milani would
Speaker 2: if I took a picture, she would take off on
Speaker 2: me and then I'm like, oh my god, I have
Speaker 2: to have real quick. I'm I have to you have
Speaker 2: to get my kid, you know. Yeah, because Milani would
Speaker 2: just take off on me. She would not stay next
Speaker 2: to me. And that's the only time I got overwhelmed,
Speaker 2: like I got nervous because I didn't want Milania to, like,
Speaker 2: you know, go for ba, you know, somebody take her
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Or a fan actually brought Malania back to our family
Speaker 1: in Disney.
Speaker 2: Oh and Disney. She ran away.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. She wanted this doll and she wouldn't
Speaker 1: stop until she got this doll.
Speaker 2: I would lost her for two minutes.
Speaker 1: It was two minutes, no scarious, two minutes.
Speaker 2: I felt like a lifetime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were taking pictures with the princesses. She wanted
Speaker 1: this doll, so she ran.
Speaker 2: I didn't know she went that, she just left us
Speaker 2: and then she went and she was like outside, you know,
Speaker 2: and she grabbed the doll.
Speaker 1: She ran out of the store with the doll. And
Speaker 1: thank god a fan recognized us, because we were we
Speaker 1: were going crazy looking for her, going crazy looking for her,
Speaker 1: and the fan brings Melania back. We were like, what
Speaker 1: did we have to give you? We owe you.
Speaker 2: Everything, I was so scared.
Speaker 1: That was I don't think we've not we haven't been
Speaker 1: back to Disney since. When did you find out about
Speaker 1: the charges against you and dad? And what were the
Speaker 1: talks with Bravo when all that was happening.
Speaker 2: Oh that's I think that's been so long ago.
Speaker 1: It was ten years ago you got out of.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen when it all happened. I was, I didn't.
Speaker 2: It was like I didn't know. I thought it was
Speaker 2: all a joke, like for me anyway, like with your
Speaker 2: father there, I mean, you know, with your father, I
Speaker 2: was like I didn't. I'm like, obviously I knew, you know,
Speaker 2: for the government to come knocking on your door, there
Speaker 2: was something going on, you know. And I remember them
Speaker 2: come knocking on the door and I'm like all right.
Speaker 2: They're like, it is your husband home. I said no,
Speaker 2: and they're like, all right, we're gonna wait for him.
Speaker 2: I said, okay.
Speaker 1: And then where were we?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I think you were maybe at school.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember if you guys were there. I
Speaker 2: was like okay, Like I was like, okay, no, Prama.
Speaker 2: I called him, like, Joe, these guys are here wait
Speaker 2: for you. I was like a right, And then I said,
Speaker 2: they said they're gonna wait for you said okay, and
Speaker 2: that was it and he came home and I think
Speaker 2: you talked to him. Yeah, I mean I was never
Speaker 2: I was never arrested, never handcuffed, never shackled.
Speaker 1: See, thank you guy.
Speaker 2: At least you know that was one good, good thing.
Speaker 2: You know. I have to say, like, yeah, your father
Speaker 2: and I, that never happened. I don't know what happened
Speaker 2: to your father when he went to prison, but with me,
Speaker 2: none of that happened.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You would have to ask your father, you know what
Speaker 2: they you know, if they shackled him because he was
Speaker 2: I think maybe in a higher security I.
Speaker 1: Think they might have, especially because he was he was
Speaker 1: transported a lot of times.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that never happened with me. So and thank
Speaker 2: god for that because I know I'm not a criminal,
Speaker 2: and that would have like I wouldn't have been happy
Speaker 2: with that. And yeah, so I was just like what
Speaker 2: And I recently found out now that I thought I
Speaker 2: bought a house, I bought it. I thought I bought
Speaker 2: two houses. Because I really wasn't really paying attention to
Speaker 2: the whole thing. I guess stupid of me but not
Speaker 2: really because I really didn't wasn't involved in your father's business.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was all a joke, and I
Speaker 2: was like, what what's going I didn't, like, I never
Speaker 2: was involved in so I didn't know what the hell
Speaker 2: was going on. And I was like, all right, So
Speaker 2: they're like, you have to get a lawyer. So I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, I couldn't use his lawyer. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, Joe, get me a lawyer. Then, I mean,
Speaker 2: and so I had to get my own lawyer. And
Speaker 2: then I thought my lawyer, I mean, my lawyer was
Speaker 2: so expensive, and I thought my lawyer of course, was
Speaker 2: going to have my back. Me and my lawyer did
Speaker 2: not get along because yeah, I mean, I feel like
Speaker 2: with all that, I feel like they're already they already
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen, and especially if you're in
Speaker 2: the public eye, they make an example out of you.
Speaker 2: And now now I know it all Like back then,
Speaker 2: like I never thought I was going to go to
Speaker 2: jail ever, like in a million years. Like if you
Speaker 2: would have said I'm going to shoot you right now,
Speaker 2: do you think you're going to go to jail? Yes
Speaker 2: or no? I'd be like, no, shoot me because I'm
Speaker 2: not going to go to jail. Like never in a
Speaker 2: million zillions, I would have like never thought that because
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: like I'm not involved in my husband's business. I didn't
Speaker 2: do anything wrong. So I was really cocky about it.
Speaker 1: I really was.
Speaker 2: I was like, I didn't do anything wrong. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess we have to like I don't know what,
Speaker 2: they just have to do their investigation and find out
Speaker 2: what happened. And I was fine with it, and so
Speaker 2: I cooperated. I did whatever they told me to do,
Speaker 2: and you know, obviously whatever your faus. And then I
Speaker 2: just found out recently, I thought I because I just
Speaker 2: went to a closing. I went to a lawyer's office.
Speaker 2: I went to a closing, and I put my John
Speaker 2: Hancock on papers. That was it. So that's what I did.
Speaker 2: And then I thought I bought. I thought he used
Speaker 2: my credit to because he was at the time he
Speaker 2: was flipping homes, so I thought I bought a house
Speaker 2: or two houses or whatever. And I just asked him recently,
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't know if you heard me
Speaker 2: asking them the other day, and I was like, he said,
Speaker 2: he said tree heed to call me Tree. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, what did I do buy? How many houses?
Speaker 2: Did I buy? One or two? He's like, you don't
Speaker 2: even buy a house.
Speaker 1: Tree.
Speaker 2: He's like, we refinanced a property I had, And I
Speaker 2: was like what. I'm like, I went to jail for
Speaker 2: refinancing a house. I'm like, are you kidding me? I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm like, why did you make me
Speaker 2: sign those papers? That day? I'm like, OK, gonna, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you serious? So that's what I went
Speaker 2: to jail for because I rEFInd And the reason why
Speaker 2: I went to jail is because I put my johnt
Speaker 2: my signature on papers that were like not like whatever
Speaker 2: numbers were on those papers were incorrect. Like that's that's
Speaker 2: that's considered fraud. From now on, never signed papers unless
Speaker 2: you know you know what you're signing. You know, also learned, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean like you know, and it's great. It's better
Speaker 2: like when you get paid by a check, like or
Speaker 2: if you work for a company, you get paid by
Speaker 2: check because everything is like on the books exactly. So
Speaker 2: like with Daddy, he was doing construction, it was different,
Speaker 2: you know, so and then you know what upsets me
Speaker 2: the most is that Daddy had a partner and and
Speaker 2: I don't know why I went to jail and his
Speaker 2: partner didn't, so read between the lines. Yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 2: that's what upsets me because I would have been kind
Speaker 2: of fine if both, if all three of us would
Speaker 2: have went to jail. That would have made me feel
Speaker 2: better because he had a partner and a lot of properties,
Speaker 2: a lot of them. And I know that, I know
Speaker 2: because you know. And then for me to go to
Speaker 2: jail signing, you know, like a refinanced property is so
Speaker 2: sad and you know, and then leaving you, And what
Speaker 2: hurt me the most is leaving the four of you
Speaker 2: like for almost a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was definitely like that, you know.
Speaker 2: And what kept me saying was that I was I
Speaker 2: knew my parents were going to be with you guys,
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I was like, that was
Speaker 2: the only thing that kept me good. I was like,
Speaker 2: my parents are going to be with them, and I
Speaker 2: want and I told my parents to speak Italian to
Speaker 2: them every day so I want them to learn Italian.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I knew you guys would never
Speaker 2: forget them because they were with you that whole year
Speaker 2: and then look, I come home and then eight months later,
Speaker 2: I lose my mom and that's when I was like,
Speaker 2: so over your father. I was like, that's when I
Speaker 2: after I lost my mom, was like, I'm never going
Speaker 2: to be with this guy ever again. Like I kept
Speaker 2: fighting for him, but I knew I was not going
Speaker 2: to be with him anymore because I was just so
Speaker 2: mad because I felt like I missed out with my
Speaker 2: mom going away, and I'm like, if I was home
Speaker 2: that year, I could have been with my mom. So
Speaker 2: I felt like I missed out time with her, which
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that I mean Also, that whole process for
Speaker 1: sure just made non No suffer. She was so upset and.
Speaker 2: They were so distraught over the whole thing. And then
Speaker 2: I just kept reassuring them and I kept telling and
Speaker 2: I was okay. And I really was okay because I'm very,
Speaker 2: very strong, and I knew in my heart, like I
Speaker 2: was like, really, God, I really would talk to God
Speaker 2: every single day. I'd be like, why am I here?
Speaker 2: Tell me why I am here? I'm like, why am
Speaker 2: I here? I mean, and I have to say being
Speaker 2: at I was in Danbury, Connecticut, you remember, because I
Speaker 2: mean the grounds were beautiful because I saw all four
Speaker 2: seasons while I was there, and I worked.
Speaker 1: Out you see the four seasons here?
Speaker 2: No I know, but I'm saying. When I was there,
Speaker 2: I was outside a lot, so I used to walk
Speaker 2: the track a lot. And then then you know what
Speaker 2: happened to then because everyone knew I was there, so
Speaker 2: sometimes we would have to get there would be helicopters
Speaker 2: outside trying to take my picture, so then we would
Speaker 2: get stuck, and then everybody would not be able to
Speaker 2: go outside, and then all the some of the girls
Speaker 2: and they would be pissed at me. I'm like, not
Speaker 2: my fault. You know that. You know there's helicopters trying
Speaker 2: to take my picture, and I'm like, I want to
Speaker 2: be outside too. Anyway, that was the best part. It
Speaker 2: was like seeing how the season's changed. It looked really
Speaker 2: pretty outside because I because that's how who I am.
Speaker 2: I always try to make something a bad situation into
Speaker 2: a good situation. I don't know, yes you do. So
Speaker 2: I was to make a light out of everything. So
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, there's a reason why
Speaker 2: I have to be here. I don't know it right now.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm like, really got to just tell me why.
Speaker 2: I don't need to know the answers eventually. Sometimes you
Speaker 2: doesn't give you an answer right away, you find out
Speaker 2: years later. So anyway, but yeah, I ended up that
Speaker 2: was the best part of seeing the four seasons. But
Speaker 2: I just worked out every single day. I got in
Speaker 2: the sickest shape you hold.
Speaker 1: You won the contest for a plank? She held a
Speaker 1: ten minute plank in camp.
Speaker 2: Yes, I did a ten minute and I won out
Speaker 2: of like.
Speaker 1: They had like a plank contest in their fitness class and.
Speaker 2: Outside like the whole the whole camp was you know.
Speaker 1: The whole camp did this competition.
Speaker 2: Whoever wanted to participate, whoever wanted to do so.
Speaker 1: How many people were you competing against?
Speaker 2: There was a lot, there was a lot, and I, yeah,
Speaker 2: I won ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you imagine holding a ten minute blank murder? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't do God scrimin all.
Speaker 2: I can't do a ten minute plank anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did one today when we were working out,
Speaker 1: and then as we're holding our plank today, she looks
Speaker 1: up and goes, I held I held one for ten
Speaker 1: minutes in present.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Do you and did you blame Dad for all of this?
Speaker 2: Of course, yes, I'm like, I just I still blame
Speaker 2: Like the other day, I was Jehann and I'm like,
Speaker 2: why do you even make me sign those papers?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you think you've really worked through the resentment? No,
Speaker 1: just because No, she's always going to help my dad.
Speaker 1: I was like, actually, yes, I was always going to
Speaker 1: help my dad. I was, so, I don't think there'll
Speaker 1: ever be a phone call where my mom doesn't yelp
Speaker 1: my dad. Yeah, it'll be so normal. You know. Sometimes
Speaker 1: if my mom's in rare form and I walk into
Speaker 1: the house and my dad's on the phone, I literally
Speaker 1: could just tell by like her demeanor, and I'll be like, okay, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'll call you back because she's just gonna start yelling
Speaker 1: at you. And then I the phone.
Speaker 2: He just irks me.
Speaker 1: He just irks me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does.
Speaker 1: They'll be like they're and the thing they're almost like
Speaker 1: as weird as it sounds.
Speaker 2: Like, No, this is the thing. No, it's that weird. No,
Speaker 2: And like I hate to say this, Well it's the truth.
Speaker 2: I enough people know this, but like I hate, not
Speaker 2: that I hate. I mean, obviously there's no he has
Speaker 2: no control over it. I don't like I wish things were
Speaker 2: different that, you know, I wish he was helping me more,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like everything's on me.
Speaker 1: And well even just him being in a different country,
Speaker 1: that his presence not being in the States and not
Speaker 1: being around just puts all the parenting on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that and financially, yeah, you know. So it's it's
Speaker 2: a double whammy. Yeah, yeah, just like Teresa all the
Speaker 2: way around, you know. You know, so it's like that's
Speaker 2: what that's why it irks me, just because yeah, everything's
Speaker 2: on me parenting wise. You're right, I didn't even think
Speaker 2: about the parenting, because the parenting I have no problem
Speaker 2: doing because I love you girls.
Speaker 1: You girls are and he he tries his best. Again,
Speaker 1: it's hard. There's only so much you could do over
Speaker 1: a phone, and he knows that. That's why he gets frustrated.
Speaker 1: It's all very frustrating. Stop, it's all very frustrating. But
Speaker 1: obviously if he was able to be back in the States,
Speaker 1: things would be a lot different and it would help
Speaker 1: you out a lot more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's why it's like everything's on me. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's why.
Speaker 1: It's why you should have just major citizenship right and
Speaker 1: that's why he Oh no, this is how he should
Speaker 1: have gotten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely become a citizen if.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're not, you're doing some construction work and
Speaker 1: you're not us, go get your citizenship right now.
Speaker 2: Definitely do that and make sure you do everything right.
Speaker 1: Cross every tea, not every eye, like who wants not
Speaker 1: worth it?
Speaker 2: Who wants to take shortcuts? It's yeah, definitely not worth it.
Speaker 2: And definitely don't make your you.
Speaker 1: Know, someone you love sign something, Yes, definitely not because
Speaker 1: I mean it is true. You know you love someone
Speaker 1: so much they tell you to sign a paperwork. You
Speaker 1: never think that your partner's going to steer you wrong,
Speaker 1: especially when you're you know, in love, you have kids,
Speaker 1: you're building a family. You really don't think that. And
Speaker 1: I don't think that was my dad AND's my dad's intentions.
Speaker 1: My dad never wanted to hurt my mother, and he
Speaker 1: even said it in court. Please don't do anything to
Speaker 1: my wife, like I will take full responsibility for this,
Speaker 1: I will do double time for her everything.
Speaker 2: But no, he didn't do that at first, like he didn't.
Speaker 2: He really didn't like because because he didn't never thought
Speaker 2: that I would get in trouble. He's like, you didn't
Speaker 2: even do anything. And then afterwards he's like, he's like,
Speaker 2: they want you more than they want me. That's what
Speaker 2: he said. He's like, because we were on TV and
Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I didn't even do anything. It was so like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think everyone was processing things in this moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So then I mean, at that point, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of what my mom said before, you know, they really
Speaker 1: they were really targeting our family, and you know as
Speaker 1: well as you know, we were being targeted. But my
Speaker 1: family did learn many lessons from this, Like my mom
Speaker 1: just said, my father has learned so many lessons from
Speaker 1: all of this, and you know, not for nothing, my
Speaker 1: dad has to deal with that remorse and guilt for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life that he isn't with his kids.
Speaker 1: You know, his marriage fell apart, there were multiple things
Speaker 1: that went wrong. Know, he missed the death of my
Speaker 1: no no, no no, he which he was extremely close to
Speaker 1: my mom's parents. So there were many things that my
Speaker 1: father has missed, endless holidays, birthdays, graduations, yeah, just high school, college,
Speaker 1: just a lot. So he deals with that remorse and
Speaker 1: Gil every day. And you know, my mom deals with
Speaker 1: the brunt of you know, being with my sisters and
Speaker 1: I and raising my sisters, and she does such an
Speaker 1: amazing job and supporting us. So it really is a
Speaker 1: lot on all ends. And I think you know, you
Speaker 1: both you both deal with a lot from it, and
Speaker 1: you both have definitely learned a lot from the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You know, you go through things in life for a reason,
Speaker 1: and this situation definitely taught us a lot of lessons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't want you to ever sign any unless.
Speaker 1: She always says to me, don't sign. Don't sign anything
Speaker 1: she goes. You know, you know everything Christian does, right,
Speaker 1: everything's good. Right, I'm like, no, my thing is you know,
Speaker 1: but my mom always if.
Speaker 2: Your partner gets paid by check, then you're safe because
Speaker 2: there's like you can't fuck that up. You really can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hire a good account and.
Speaker 2: Yes, and hire a good account and yes, that's the
Speaker 2: best thing.
Speaker 1: But financial advisor, anything you need. I got all my
Speaker 1: I got all my duck now is the thing.
Speaker 2: I had the best credit, Like, my credit was over
Speaker 2: eight hundred and I remember my mother.
Speaker 1: I paid my credit card all on time. Every single
Speaker 1: Mom micro.
Speaker 2: Is on I had the best and my mother and
Speaker 2: then I remember I told my mother, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: just you know, I went to a closing because I
Speaker 2: think my mom had to watch you guys. And then
Speaker 2: she's like, well, and then she said, to make sure
Speaker 2: he pay it, and I said, of course he's going
Speaker 2: to pay it. You know, I think I told her
Speaker 2: I bought a house. I didn't even know what freaking
Speaker 2: refinance was back then. I didn't. That's the thing. I
Speaker 2: was really a housewife. I really wasn't. In he took
Speaker 2: care of everything. I never took care. I didn't pay
Speaker 2: any I mean, if anything, maybe once in a while
Speaker 2: if he told me to pay a bill, but he
Speaker 2: had you know, he had a secretary, so you know,
Speaker 2: he he handled everything. Yeah, back when I had the kids.
Speaker 2: Maybe I think when I first like got married to him,
Speaker 2: and maybe like in the beginning, but when we moved
Speaker 2: to our house and you know, our house in an
Speaker 2: Indian lane, like he had a secretary and his secretary
Speaker 2: would take care of everything. So I remember my mother saying,
Speaker 2: making sure he pay every month, and I said, of course,
Speaker 2: because my mom's like, you have your credits amazing, and
Speaker 2: like even like my mom said that to me. Like, see,
Speaker 2: moms always now, I always say that whatever anything that
Speaker 2: your mom always says, your mom's always right. So anything
Speaker 2: I ever tell you, I'm always right, I know it's true.
Speaker 1: So then obviously Dad got deported, and at that point
Speaker 1: you knew, I mean even before then, you knew that
Speaker 1: the marriage was kind of over. But do you think
Speaker 1: if he didn't get deported, you guys would work You
Speaker 1: guys would have worked it out.
Speaker 2: Probably not, because I lost my mom and I was
Speaker 2: just so like it, you know, still bothers me till
Speaker 2: today that, like I had to go through that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was his fall.
Speaker 1: And then how did he react when you told him
Speaker 1: that you were getting remarried?
Speaker 2: He was, he was fine with it. What's he gonna do?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the all of it was on
Speaker 2: TV when I actually saw him for the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you didn't tell him none, you're getting remarried.
Speaker 1: Oh no.
Speaker 2: But when I actually everyone could tell that I was
Speaker 2: just not in love with him anywhere. Yeah, because it
Speaker 2: happened on TV. It really actually happened on TEA. And
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if anybody even knows it
Speaker 2: at the time, Adriana like, he stayed in my room
Speaker 2: like you you girls were supposed to have your own room.
Speaker 2: So you know, all four used to sleep in one
Speaker 2: bed and to sleep in another bed. And we were
Speaker 2: in Italy because that's the first time we saw him.
Speaker 2: And do you know, Adriana would not leave my side,
Speaker 2: so Adriana slept with me. She wouldn't leave me. And
Speaker 2: Adriana at the time we figured this out the other
Speaker 2: like we were talking about this, she was like nine,
Speaker 2: I think nine right when daddy because when Daddy left
Speaker 2: she was six, so she was almost ten. She was
Speaker 2: between nine and ten. And Audrina didn't leave me, so
Speaker 2: she slept with me and Daddy slept on the couch.
Speaker 2: And then that morning, like the first night he comes in,
Speaker 2: lays on top of me. I'm just telling you this.
Speaker 2: He comes to Lane's on top of me and he's
Speaker 2: trying to kiss me, but Audrina is right next to
Speaker 2: me sleeping, and I'm like, I'm like, and he's trying
Speaker 2: to kiss me, and I won't open my lips, I
Speaker 2: won't open my mouth, like I'm just I'm like, can
Speaker 2: you get off of me? Like I want to right
Speaker 2: next to us, And then he got off of me,
Speaker 2: but like we had, you know, have pajamas on here.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He was just trying to like give me, try to
Speaker 2: like see if my juices were going to start like
Speaker 2: getting like I don't know, like he was he like,
Speaker 2: I guess you wanted to see if like I was
Speaker 2: gonna be like I was like like get heavy for him,
Speaker 2: but not I was like, get off me. And that
Speaker 2: was it. But that's when I knew, Like I'm just
Speaker 2: saying like that even for myself to see if it
Speaker 2: was going to happen and did it was my juices
Speaker 2: were gonna start. Yeah, I'm just telling you. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you everything. You know, we're shooting the breeze, shooting the shooting.
Speaker 1: The shooting the breeze. Now you're shooting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know what I'm telling you. These are
Speaker 2: lessons that I'm just telling you, like from when you
Speaker 2: get older.
Speaker 1: Okay, So if my juices aren't flowing anymore, I'll not
Speaker 1: to leave them.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, Yeah, and you should and I would hope.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and life's too short to for your juices
Speaker 2: not to be flowing. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So how's Dad's relationship with Lily?
Speaker 2: What we all know. It's it's they get along great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad calls him loom.
Speaker 2: They talk, they chat, they talk more.
Speaker 1: Than like, well, they talk more than my Well, please
Speaker 1: you yell at him.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to. I don't want to talk to
Speaker 2: him either.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Louis and him talk all the time. We don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he just she just yells at him. The
Speaker 1: guy doesn't want to yell dot well, because the thing
Speaker 1: is it'll be starting good and then it'll just take
Speaker 1: a tart. And he's like, oh, yeah, I guess because
Speaker 1: like I said, I have a of resentment towards him.
Speaker 2: And that's fine, going to jail, parenting by myself, financially
Speaker 2: doing everything by myself. Like if I had help with
Speaker 2: one of those, maybe I would be a little bit nicer.
Speaker 2: So if i'm I have a reason to.
Speaker 1: Be he takes there's a reason, like he doesn't take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a reason why I'm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine, but.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm grateful to God that I'm able to
Speaker 2: do it all.
Speaker 1: Thank you God.
Speaker 2: No, really, because now I'm really That's why I pray
Speaker 2: to God a lot and God, you know, it's good
Speaker 2: to have faith, and it's good to have God in
Speaker 2: your life because I don't have. I feel like I
Speaker 2: don't have my parents anymore, and I feel like, besides,
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for my four daughters.
Speaker 1: I don't say you're an orphan. I do feel like
Speaker 1: I'm an orphan.
Speaker 2: So at least I have God and I feel like
Speaker 2: he could help and protect me.
Speaker 1: You know you're not an orphan.
Speaker 2: I do, but it's okay. You know, but my parents
Speaker 2: and I anywhere, so it's like I really have no
Speaker 2: one to turn to.
Speaker 1: You, I really have us. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Well, I would never ask. I don't want to help
Speaker 2: ask you guys for help. And Louie he's amazing. But
Speaker 2: it's good to pray to whatever guy you're into. Missy,
Speaker 2: start coming to church with me. I know, yes, I will.
Speaker 1: Okay. How do you think dad feels about us living
Speaker 1: with Louis and being so involved in our life. I
Speaker 1: feel like he's very grateful.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think at first, well you would know that
Speaker 2: more than because you're really close to your dad, So
Speaker 2: I think at first he might have maybe he was
Speaker 2: like a little jealous.
Speaker 1: How did you know Louis was the one? And did
Speaker 1: he know who you were before you met.
Speaker 2: Okay, when I first met him on Babylod walking, everyone
Speaker 2: knows the story. We could, okay, get so I would
Speaker 2: say when I met him walking, he was with his son.
Speaker 2: So when I met him, he was with his son.
Speaker 2: Louis said he didn't know who I was at first.
Speaker 2: His son told him so the same day I met him,
Speaker 2: like afterwards, like after he you know, when I first
Speaker 2: went up to him, he didn't know who I was.
Speaker 2: And then afterwards his son said, Dad, do you know
Speaker 2: who that was? That was Teresa? I guess was new.
Speaker 2: And then then afterwards they were talking whatever. Then he
Speaker 2: came up to me and my two girlfriends and then
Speaker 2: he said, well can I can I have your number? Teresa?
Speaker 2: And he drove up to us and he said, my
Speaker 2: son wanted to know why and asked for your number, Teresa.
Speaker 2: And then that's how I knew he liked me because
Speaker 2: there were three of us, so I didn't know. And
Speaker 2: then I was so embarrassed. I turned up probably a
Speaker 2: few few colors now I turned red now because I
Speaker 2: was embarrassed. And then it was Louis was driving, and
Speaker 2: then little Louis with his girlfriend were in the back
Speaker 2: I little Louis with his ex girlf ohe you with
Speaker 2: this little Louis with his ex girl. We're in the
Speaker 2: back seat. And then I was embarrassed, so I said
Speaker 2: to him, well, I have your business card. I'll text you.
Speaker 2: I love that, And that was it. Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: didn't I felt weird giving him him my number because
Speaker 2: the son was there. So I was embarrassed, you know.
Speaker 1: So I said, you gave me no, but that's nice.
Speaker 1: That's hard to get. Yeah, and I like that line.
Speaker 1: And then he and then he said that his thumb
Speaker 1: was making fun of him.
Speaker 2: He's like, ah, she didn't give you her number, you know,
Speaker 2: because make it fun because I didn't give my number.
Speaker 2: And then afterwards, as we're walking, Dana takes my phone
Speaker 2: and she's like, I'm texting him right now, and then
Speaker 2: she texted him my phone number. And then that night
Speaker 2: we talked all night on the phone and Adele was
Speaker 2: with me, so she made me ask him fifty questions.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, he's never gonna call
Speaker 2: me again, like she made me. She literally wrote down
Speaker 2: fifty questions and made me ask I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this guy's never gonna call me again. He's
Speaker 2: gonna think I'm like, a what job, you know, and
Speaker 2: she's like, no, it's good you We'll get to know him.
Speaker 2: I was like all right, so and so I did.
Speaker 2: An Adel was there listening to the conversa. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: she was. Yeah, she stepped over and we asked him
Speaker 2: fifty questions and then guess what happened was the next
Speaker 2: night he asked you fifty yeah, and then he said, well,
Speaker 2: I wrote down questions and then he asked me, and
Speaker 2: you know what I have to say. It was kind
Speaker 2: of cute because we kind of got to know each
Speaker 2: other better, you know, and we were on the phone hours. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then that was Saturday. Then wait, Saturday, then Sunday night.
Speaker 2: Then Sunday night, I went to the white party with you.
Speaker 2: So that was that. And then Monday morning he came down.
Speaker 1: We went for a walk and her other boyfriend got
Speaker 1: kicked out of the house.
Speaker 2: No, don't say that, I don't say that.
Speaker 1: Don't say that said that or any you tried to
Speaker 1: make it a secret.
Speaker 2: I mean what I talked about this, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it was very obvious. So then he left that
Speaker 1: night and never returned.
Speaker 2: Well, that was the first time you have ever saw
Speaker 2: those was wading the second.
Speaker 1: Time he saw him, Yeah, and he never came back.
Speaker 2: He was a friend.
Speaker 1: He never came back. The friend was exiled from the group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a friend.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: Time was up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right ahead, it for a long enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know a nice person.
Speaker 1: Great, So how did you know Louis was the one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And then Monday morning Louis came.
Speaker 1: Okay, this isn't how you knew Louis was the one?
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'm saying that Monday morning lou came.
Speaker 2: That sure, we went for our first walk and then
Speaker 2: he set me flowers. And then that's when you guys
Speaker 2: knew that I was seeing someone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the flowers were like as big as the table.
Speaker 1: The bouquet was bigger than the table.
Speaker 2: Right, So that's when you guys knew I was seeing someone?
Speaker 1: Really? That was yeah, so we the fling she tried.
Speaker 1: Then this is when we knew things were getting serious.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the fling was just a friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's fine. Yeah, yeah, and very nice person.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying yeah, and that was it. It was
Speaker 2: just it was not right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like we know, make sure to listen to
Speaker 1: part two of this episode with my momm