WEBVTT - S1 UPDATE: Victim Statement 0:00:08.285 --> 0:00:19.165 School of Humans. That's what he said today, and he 0:00:19.205 --> 0:00:24.365 said he didn't strangle her. Yeah, I don't understand, and 0:00:24.405 --> 0:00:26.445 I mean, look again, glad justice was served, but I 0:00:26.445 --> 0:00:29.845 don't understand why they can't get some of these contradictions. 0:00:30.605 --> 0:00:33.445 This case sitting here right now, we know less about 0:00:33.485 --> 0:00:36.125 what happened to Repbecker's you two and afters. 0:00:35.805 --> 0:00:44.725 Ago, after the news broke that Billy Miller was convicted 0:00:44.765 --> 0:00:48.845 of Rebecca Gould's murder, I had some mixed feelings. It 0:00:48.845 --> 0:00:50.925 would have been so much easier for me to believe 0:00:51.165 --> 0:00:54.645 that justice had been done and to celebrate. After consuming 0:00:54.805 --> 0:00:57.285 my life for so many years, as it has so 0:00:57.325 --> 0:01:01.485 many other people, this case would finally be over. And 0:01:01.525 --> 0:01:05.205 I am happy about Billy Miller's arrest and conviction. Given 0:01:05.205 --> 0:01:08.245 the fact that Billy Miller is a dangerous sexual predator 0:01:08.405 --> 0:01:12.925 who I absolutely believe participated in Rebecca's murder, I definitely 0:01:12.925 --> 0:01:15.805 consider this a good thing. I also want to give 0:01:15.845 --> 0:01:19.285 credit to the Arkansas State Police. I am thrilled that 0:01:19.365 --> 0:01:23.285 Mike McNeil took over the case because for me, this 0:01:23.525 --> 0:01:26.685 was never about being right or wrong. Remember, I had 0:01:26.765 --> 0:01:29.285 no access to the police case file, so what I 0:01:29.325 --> 0:01:31.765 was trying to do with Helengn was to go out 0:01:31.805 --> 0:01:34.765 and talk to anyone I could, anyone who I believed 0:01:34.925 --> 0:01:38.645 could have information to share. My hope was that after 0:01:38.685 --> 0:01:42.325 the podcast aired, Dennis Simons would someday be off the 0:01:42.365 --> 0:01:45.765 case and someone knew a fresh pair of eyes would 0:01:45.765 --> 0:01:48.405 be put on the case. And that's exactly what happened. 0:01:48.965 --> 0:01:51.645 I think that Mike McNeil has done excellent police work 0:01:51.885 --> 0:01:54.765 and has been much more open minded than his predecessors. 0:01:55.405 --> 0:01:58.485 But as with so many things in this case, it 0:01:58.525 --> 0:02:01.565 doesn't feel like it's over yet. It feels like that 0:02:01.645 --> 0:02:04.365 moment in the horror movie where you think it's all 0:02:04.405 --> 0:02:07.405 done and everyone is starting to feel relieved, and then 0:02:07.445 --> 0:02:12.725 the monster lunges out for that one last scare. I'm 0:02:12.765 --> 0:02:53.045 Catherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone. In Billy Miller's confession, 0:02:53.565 --> 0:02:57.005 he called himself a monster. This was during his interview 0:02:57.125 --> 0:03:00.125 when detectives were asking him why he did it, why 0:03:00.245 --> 0:03:04.405 he killed Rebecca. He said that there was no sexual motivation. 0:03:04.965 --> 0:03:07.685 But I find that very hard to believe. I talked 0:03:07.725 --> 0:03:11.525 investigator Jennifer Buckle about her impression of Billy. How do 0:03:11.565 --> 0:03:14.685 you feel about William Miller? I mean his history. 0:03:15.005 --> 0:03:19.725 You know, a monster, she's a predator. We know he 0:03:20.125 --> 0:03:22.645 you know, sexually assaulted other women. We know he had 0:03:22.685 --> 0:03:24.925 a pattern of getting women overly drunk at bars and 0:03:24.965 --> 0:03:27.685 taking them home to have sex with them, I eat, 0:03:27.885 --> 0:03:30.325 rape them. He would take photos of them when they 0:03:30.325 --> 0:03:34.485 were unconscious. We joke about killing prostitutes. You know, was 0:03:34.525 --> 0:03:36.925 the suspect and a sexual assault in two thousand and two, 0:03:36.925 --> 0:03:40.085 according to Mike. So, I mean, he obviously has a 0:03:40.125 --> 0:03:42.805 pattern in a history. And like George and I talked 0:03:42.805 --> 0:03:44.565 about this the other day, but George is like, what 0:03:45.005 --> 0:03:47.245 do you think the chances are that this is Williams 0:03:47.245 --> 0:03:50.085 filmy murder? And I'm like, I think the chance is 0:03:50.085 --> 0:03:54.925 pretty low. But clearly he has these sexual compulsions or whatever. 0:03:55.205 --> 0:03:57.165 I mean, I don't like the word normal and abnormal, 0:03:57.205 --> 0:04:01.445 but like his sexual preferences are abnormal, and knowing this 0:04:01.485 --> 0:04:05.765 other stuff about his history, I just don't see. Unfortunately, Rebeca, 0:04:05.765 --> 0:04:08.205 it's probably not his only murder victim. 0:04:08.405 --> 0:04:10.245 Yeah, and it's hard to find information because he was 0:04:10.245 --> 0:04:13.285 in the Philippines for so long exactly who knows what 0:04:13.285 --> 0:04:13.725 one on them. 0:04:14.845 --> 0:04:16.765 You're never yep, you're never going to be able to 0:04:16.765 --> 0:04:19.685 find the victims over there, and that sucks. 0:04:31.725 --> 0:04:34.645 I went to see Rebecca's dad, doctor Larry Gould again 0:04:34.765 --> 0:04:37.965 near Mountain Home. It's been over two years since I've 0:04:38.045 --> 0:04:40.885 last seen Larry, since the podcast happened, and then the 0:04:40.965 --> 0:04:45.725 arrest and then COVID made travel so hard it was emotional. 0:04:46.285 --> 0:04:48.085 I gave him a big hug before I went into 0:04:48.125 --> 0:04:52.525 the house. Larry has had some changes in his life. 0:04:52.605 --> 0:04:55.285 His two younger daughters have grown up into young women. 0:04:56.485 --> 0:04:59.445 His oldest is getting ready to start college. I gave 0:04:59.485 --> 0:05:04.285 them both hugs too. The last time I was in 0:05:04.285 --> 0:05:08.845 this kitchen where were poring over autopsy diagrams and countless 0:05:08.845 --> 0:05:11.445 piles of letters to the prosecutor, to the district attorney, 0:05:11.525 --> 0:05:15.725 to the police, Larry was basically begging for help in 0:05:15.725 --> 0:05:19.725 finding his daughter's killer. This time, the mood is different. 0:05:20.445 --> 0:05:24.245 We're happier because obviously Rebecca's killer has been caught and 0:05:24.445 --> 0:05:26.485 will be sent to prison for what amounts to the 0:05:26.485 --> 0:05:29.445 rest of his natural life. So in some sense it's 0:05:29.485 --> 0:05:33.445 a celebration. Larry finally has some answers about what happened 0:05:33.445 --> 0:05:43.605 to his daughter. Larry first saw Billy Miller in August 0:05:43.685 --> 0:05:47.685 twenty twenty two at the Suppression hearing where Billy's confession 0:05:47.765 --> 0:05:48.525 video was played. 0:05:50.805 --> 0:05:54.005 As a man and as a father, I really wanted 0:05:54.045 --> 0:05:58.445 to size up this guy. I wanted to see what 0:05:58.645 --> 0:06:01.525 type of person could do this to my daughter. 0:06:02.205 --> 0:06:06.165 At that hearing, Larry sat right behind Billy and he 0:06:06.325 --> 0:06:10.725 spent the hours of confession watching Billy, hearing the graphic 0:06:10.805 --> 0:06:14.125 details of the man he would confess to brutally murdering 0:06:14.165 --> 0:06:17.925 his daughter, watching her die, cleaning up her blood, and 0:06:17.965 --> 0:06:19.965 throwing her body off the side of the road like 0:06:20.005 --> 0:06:23.805 a bag of trash. And through it all he maintained 0:06:23.845 --> 0:06:27.005 his composure because he said of a promise that he 0:06:27.045 --> 0:06:30.405 made to Rebecca that someday he would find her killer. 0:06:32.045 --> 0:06:37.405 I found that his body language was his entire demeanor 0:06:38.245 --> 0:06:43.405 was highly offensive. He's a very unattractive man. And that's 0:06:43.925 --> 0:06:48.405 a loaded statement because a lot of what you learn 0:06:48.845 --> 0:06:52.325 about William Miller is that a good portion of his 0:06:52.405 --> 0:06:56.645 life was predicated on some forms of perversion and things 0:06:56.645 --> 0:07:00.485 that just were not what you would consider normal behavior. First, 0:07:00.485 --> 0:07:04.325 he didn't have to be there, he wasn't subpoenaed, and 0:07:04.365 --> 0:07:06.125 they told him many times you could get up and 0:07:06.165 --> 0:07:09.005 leave any time he wanted to. By the end of 0:07:09.045 --> 0:07:12.125 the day, your thought on who William Miller was, by 0:07:12.125 --> 0:07:17.245 his own statements, was this is an arrogant, pompous, egotistical 0:07:17.765 --> 0:07:25.005 man who drew pleasure out of making people feel foolish. 0:07:25.405 --> 0:07:28.645 And those were his exact words many times in the film, 0:07:29.005 --> 0:07:31.725 was that he had made fools out of all of 0:07:31.765 --> 0:07:33.685 these people, and he took a lot of pride in 0:07:33.685 --> 0:07:38.285 that that in itself is a sickness. The man is sick, 0:07:38.365 --> 0:07:40.285 and the man has a lot of problems and his 0:07:40.365 --> 0:07:44.245 own egos what defeated him. He reminded me of what 0:07:44.285 --> 0:07:49.125 you typically associate with people that are arsenists. They light 0:07:49.165 --> 0:07:51.525 a fire and they want to go back and watch 0:07:51.565 --> 0:07:52.085 it burn. 0:08:01.165 --> 0:08:03.965 When we were still preparing for Billy Miller's trial to 0:08:04.005 --> 0:08:08.205 begin on October thirty first, Larry learned on October fourteenth, 0:08:08.605 --> 0:08:11.325 the very last day that the defense had to present 0:08:11.325 --> 0:08:14.685 a plea deal. He learned from prosecutor Eric Hants that 0:08:14.725 --> 0:08:18.205 a deal was in the works. From there, things moved 0:08:18.325 --> 0:08:22.725 very fast over that weekend. On Monday night, Larry texted 0:08:22.765 --> 0:08:24.805 me to say the hearing would be the very next 0:08:24.805 --> 0:08:28.205 morning at eight am. The plea deal had been accepted, 0:08:28.285 --> 0:08:31.285 so it would be quick Larry was there with his 0:08:31.325 --> 0:08:35.725 two younger daughters, Rebecca's half sisters, Katie and Macy. He 0:08:35.805 --> 0:08:38.485 wanted to show them how the criminal justice system worked 0:08:39.005 --> 0:08:43.005 and for them to finally see their half sister get justice. 0:08:43.205 --> 0:08:47.085 It was an emotional day and Larry only had the 0:08:47.205 --> 0:08:49.365 night before to prepare his victim statement. 0:08:50.085 --> 0:08:53.405 That evening, I had an hour one hour to write 0:08:53.565 --> 0:08:57.245 my victim statement. So you know, when you watch these programs, 0:08:57.285 --> 0:08:59.685 you see people up there and they're spewing off for 0:08:59.845 --> 0:09:02.445 hours about different things and stuff. They told me I 0:09:02.485 --> 0:09:07.845 could only submit two type three pages. So I made 0:09:07.925 --> 0:09:11.005 notes and then I got panicky. I thought, geez, I'm 0:09:11.005 --> 0:09:13.125 not going to have this ready. And so I sat 0:09:13.205 --> 0:09:16.165 in bed at ten o'clock at night and I wrote 0:09:16.205 --> 0:09:20.005 it out and typed it and was I knew I 0:09:20.005 --> 0:09:21.525 had to get some sleep because the next day was 0:09:21.525 --> 0:09:23.565 the hearing. So it took me an hour and I 0:09:23.565 --> 0:09:26.365 wrote it out and that was that's it. And then 0:09:26.485 --> 0:09:28.765 I read it in court, and so I'd be happy 0:09:28.805 --> 0:09:29.205 to read. 0:09:29.085 --> 0:09:29.325 It to you. 0:09:29.405 --> 0:09:35.005 I'd love you did that in an hour? Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, 0:09:35.005 --> 0:09:38.165 it's you don't know what to do. You know, you 0:09:38.245 --> 0:09:40.525 sit there and you've got eighteen years to think about 0:09:40.565 --> 0:09:44.805 your daughter and all the different things that has happened. 0:09:44.845 --> 0:09:47.405 So you go, do you what do I write? So 0:09:49.125 --> 0:09:49.765 Dot read it? 0:09:49.845 --> 0:09:50.045 Yeah? 0:09:50.245 --> 0:09:55.245 Please Larry read me. It's the witness statement that he 0:09:55.285 --> 0:09:58.685 read in court, his final goodbye to his daughter Rebecca. 0:09:59.645 --> 0:10:03.005 This sentencing hearing, liked the hearings before, it took place 0:10:03.085 --> 0:10:05.925 in a tiny court room and no cameras or recording 0:10:05.925 --> 0:10:09.405 devices were allowed, so only a few people were there 0:10:09.485 --> 0:10:13.445 to hear Larry's words. So it's really important to me 0:10:13.565 --> 0:10:16.925 to play this witness statement in its entirety because I 0:10:17.005 --> 0:10:19.685 want everyone who has been following this case to hear it. 0:10:22.605 --> 0:10:27.325 Eighteen years ago, my life changed forever. Eighteen years ago, 0:10:27.405 --> 0:10:32.685 many lives were changed forever. My precious daughter, Rebecca Christian 0:10:32.725 --> 0:10:36.565 Gould was taken from us. She was taken from family, 0:10:36.685 --> 0:10:40.565 her friends, and taken from her own future, her dreams, 0:10:40.605 --> 0:10:44.565 her desires, her wants, her hopes, and all the possibilities 0:10:44.605 --> 0:10:47.445 that life at age twenty two presents to a young lady. 0:10:48.485 --> 0:10:53.445 No marriage, no children, no graduation from college, no career, 0:10:53.645 --> 0:10:57.245 no good times and bad You took away a chance 0:10:57.285 --> 0:11:00.605 for a young, tenacious and blossoming girl to dream of 0:11:00.645 --> 0:11:04.525 her possibilities in life. You took away from me my 0:11:04.685 --> 0:11:10.365 opportunity to watch those things happen. William Miller Eighteen years ago, 0:11:10.485 --> 0:11:12.845 I was working in my office seeing patients when I 0:11:12.925 --> 0:11:17.045 received a frantic call that Rebecca was missing. Little did 0:11:17.085 --> 0:11:21.725 I know then that my own world would shortly changed forever, 0:11:22.365 --> 0:11:24.965 and soon a living hell would find its way into 0:11:25.005 --> 0:11:28.925 my life. A hell you created, and now a hell 0:11:29.045 --> 0:11:34.965 you must face. No rest, little sleep, searching early morning 0:11:35.045 --> 0:11:38.485 until late at night to try to find Rebecca. Hope 0:11:38.525 --> 0:11:42.845 diminishes daily, but never went away until the day she 0:11:42.925 --> 0:11:47.005 was found, and reality set in. My daughter was dumped 0:11:47.085 --> 0:11:57.565 like trash left for the animal, left for the animals 0:11:57.805 --> 0:12:01.845 and the maggots to devour slowly each night. You were 0:12:01.845 --> 0:12:06.565 long gone. You have had eighteen years of life, family, children, money, 0:12:06.685 --> 0:12:09.405 a career, and had you not been a truly sick 0:12:09.445 --> 0:12:12.605 person at such a young age, you probably would have 0:12:12.645 --> 0:12:17.125 had a nice life. Today that ends, and today I grieve. 0:12:17.725 --> 0:12:20.325 I had no time to grieve then, because I could 0:12:20.365 --> 0:12:24.045 not rest a funeral to plan, and my child to bury. 0:12:25.085 --> 0:12:28.045 What you didn't know was at that burial site. I 0:12:28.085 --> 0:12:31.525 took my kids aside and made a pledge that nothing 0:12:31.525 --> 0:12:34.685 would ever stop us from finding the person who murdered Rebecca. 0:12:35.325 --> 0:12:40.045 And today, today I looked to heaven and simply whisper 0:12:40.885 --> 0:12:45.205 promise made, promise kept. The eighteen years of hell you 0:12:45.325 --> 0:12:49.645 put me through has cost me dearly. It cost me family, 0:12:49.965 --> 0:12:54.205 loved ones, my enjoyment of life, hundreds and hundreds of 0:12:54.205 --> 0:12:58.565 thousands of dollars, precious time. Basically everything I had hoped 0:12:58.565 --> 0:13:01.525 for in my own life was placed on hold forever. 0:13:03.125 --> 0:13:05.925 Simply avoid or hold in my heart that could never 0:13:06.005 --> 0:13:11.445 be repaired or patched back to a healthy state until now. See, 0:13:11.485 --> 0:13:13.805 my glass is always going to be half full and 0:13:13.885 --> 0:13:18.485 never half empty. I teach my children to never give up, 0:13:19.085 --> 0:13:22.525 fight and never quit, to salute our precious American flag, 0:13:22.645 --> 0:13:25.205 to salute law enforcement above all the men and women 0:13:25.245 --> 0:13:30.285 who serve this great country. As I did. Rebecca represented 0:13:30.325 --> 0:13:34.525 that combination of beliefs. She would fight for the underdog, 0:13:35.125 --> 0:13:38.565 and at one hundred pounds of her ringing wet was 0:13:38.645 --> 0:13:41.885 the courage of a hero. You took away the life 0:13:42.005 --> 0:13:45.845 of someone I believed could have become anything she wanted, 0:13:46.245 --> 0:13:49.005 The taking of my daughter's life in such a brutal 0:13:49.405 --> 0:13:52.525 and self serving manner, And then to treat her in 0:13:52.565 --> 0:13:55.565 the most undignified way tells me everything I need to 0:13:55.565 --> 0:14:00.205 know about you. This court judges you and has sentenced you. 0:14:00.205 --> 0:14:03.965 You still have two more courts to face, the prison 0:14:04.085 --> 0:14:09.045 system itself and the ultimate judgment by God himself. My 0:14:09.245 --> 0:14:11.765 pain will never go away, but it will diminish my 0:14:11.885 --> 0:14:14.645 Lord and Savior. As stated in the poem Footprints in 0:14:14.685 --> 0:14:17.845 the Sand, never let me fall. Gave me courage and 0:14:17.885 --> 0:14:21.165 carried me through these eighteen years, only to set me 0:14:21.245 --> 0:14:24.605 down as a stronger, more faithful, more loving, more compassionate, 0:14:24.725 --> 0:14:28.565 and truly better human being. We are all victims from you. 0:14:29.405 --> 0:14:34.525 In your confession, you boastfully stated how you made fools 0:14:34.565 --> 0:14:37.925 out of everybody. I am here to tell you that 0:14:37.925 --> 0:14:41.925 that arrogance and your obvious pathology of needing to watch 0:14:42.005 --> 0:14:45.165 the fire burn you set is what special Agent Mike 0:14:45.245 --> 0:14:50.885 McNeil brilliantly used against you. In closing, I cannot describe 0:14:50.885 --> 0:14:53.645 the amount of emotional trauma you have created in so 0:14:53.805 --> 0:14:57.165 many lives. I can speak for hours regarding why you 0:14:57.205 --> 0:15:00.005 should never be allowed out of the prison. I will 0:15:00.085 --> 0:15:03.645 leave you with this one statement. Rebecca lives in all 0:15:03.685 --> 0:15:06.685 of us. She will never die. She is sitting at 0:15:06.685 --> 0:15:09.685 the right hand of the father, looking down a place 0:15:09.725 --> 0:15:12.485 you will probably never see, but that is not my 0:15:12.605 --> 0:15:17.005 place to judge. Rebecca inspires us all to better our 0:15:17.085 --> 0:15:20.325 lives and to know that love and grace are words 0:15:20.805 --> 0:15:26.045 I will always remember her by. 0:15:38.365 --> 0:15:40.645 It's rasonal, It's so beautiful. 0:15:42.485 --> 0:15:44.765 Thank you that one came from heart. 0:15:48.005 --> 0:15:50.525 I got really emotional when he read that, and you 0:15:50.525 --> 0:15:53.125 can probably hear it. As much as I try to 0:15:53.165 --> 0:15:56.085 remain impartial and detached because I want to be able 0:15:56.125 --> 0:15:58.445 to help the victims and not burden them with my pain, 0:15:58.805 --> 0:16:00.685 and also I want to be able to see things 0:16:00.725 --> 0:16:03.205 with an objective eye. At the end of the day, 0:16:03.445 --> 0:16:06.725 we're all human. I've gone their challenges and losses of 0:16:06.725 --> 0:16:09.285 my own over the past few years, and one of 0:16:09.285 --> 0:16:11.965 the many things that I admire about Larry is his 0:16:12.045 --> 0:16:15.365 ability to stay positive in the face of darkness. Over 0:16:15.365 --> 0:16:18.605 the years, he sent me several supportive texts, even when 0:16:18.605 --> 0:16:20.845 a lesser man would have been drowning in his own pain. 0:16:21.645 --> 0:16:23.885 I admire him and I consider him a close friend, 0:16:24.325 --> 0:16:26.925 and my friendships with George and Jennifer have been life 0:16:27.005 --> 0:16:30.925 changing as well. Rebecca's death caused so many people pain, 0:16:31.325 --> 0:16:34.165 but in her short life, she inspired so many people, 0:16:34.645 --> 0:16:37.445 and that is something that I'm grateful for every single day. 0:16:46.445 --> 0:16:49.925 But then Larry said he got a shock. After the 0:16:49.965 --> 0:16:53.365 sentencing was passed, Billy indicated that he would be willing 0:16:53.405 --> 0:16:56.325 to talk to Larry privately, and the judge said that 0:16:56.365 --> 0:16:59.485 he would allow that to take place. Larry and Rebecca's 0:16:59.485 --> 0:17:02.205 older sister, Tiffany went to a small back room where 0:17:02.245 --> 0:17:04.005 Billy was seated behind a glass barrier. 0:17:04.725 --> 0:17:09.125 I was still to size him up and understand this man. 0:17:10.205 --> 0:17:14.445 I interjected a few questions to him right off the bat, 0:17:15.125 --> 0:17:19.125 and I gave him an opportunity to tell the truth 0:17:19.965 --> 0:17:23.885 that I wanted to know exactly what happened. You know, 0:17:23.925 --> 0:17:26.485 he's already convicted, he's already in there. This is a 0:17:26.525 --> 0:17:29.645 good chance to get it all out. So what I 0:17:29.805 --> 0:17:34.445 found in this face to face approach with him was 0:17:35.085 --> 0:17:38.845 a man that was not so much wanting to talk 0:17:39.605 --> 0:17:44.445 as he felt compelled to talk, and he was willing 0:17:44.485 --> 0:17:49.005 to answer questions. But as he began to talk about 0:17:49.005 --> 0:17:55.085 what actually happened, everything changed. He sat up a little straighter, 0:17:56.165 --> 0:17:59.125 his chest came out a little bit more, his voice 0:17:59.165 --> 0:18:03.405 elevated a little bit, and he began to take control 0:18:03.765 --> 0:18:07.325 of the room. So it all changed. And I think 0:18:07.365 --> 0:18:10.485 it changed because had he been sincere, he would have 0:18:10.565 --> 0:18:13.845 wanted want of me and Tiffany was there. He would 0:18:13.885 --> 0:18:19.285 have wanted us to feel that he was apologetic, to 0:18:19.325 --> 0:18:23.445 feel that he was remorseful. He was placating. He was 0:18:23.485 --> 0:18:29.125 trying to make everything appear not a way that was acceptable, 0:18:29.685 --> 0:18:33.285 but a way that did not make him appear like he's, 0:18:34.805 --> 0:18:40.685 like I said, monster like minimizing completely. So the part 0:18:40.725 --> 0:18:44.605 that change was okay. He enters a trailer. He I 0:18:44.605 --> 0:18:46.965 think he had originally said that he wanted to use 0:18:47.005 --> 0:18:50.925 the phone. Rebecca goes back, which would have been I guess, 0:18:50.965 --> 0:18:55.085 to the bedroom. He's pacing back and forth, and the 0:18:55.125 --> 0:18:59.605 words he used there was all of a sudden, it 0:18:59.725 --> 0:19:03.805 just was building in him, and then the switch went 0:19:03.885 --> 0:19:07.205 off and then he went in and he grabbed a 0:19:07.245 --> 0:19:11.805 piano leg. He went in and he struck her twice. Now, 0:19:11.965 --> 0:19:15.325 in the actual confession he says that he strangled her 0:19:15.725 --> 0:19:20.165 with a necktie and that she was lifeless. Now he's 0:19:20.205 --> 0:19:23.085 saying that he didn't strangle her, that he actually started 0:19:23.085 --> 0:19:26.645 to perform CPR, and that every time he would pump 0:19:26.685 --> 0:19:29.365 on her the blood would go all over. So now 0:19:29.365 --> 0:19:32.005 he's making it look like he's a rescuer. And then 0:19:32.165 --> 0:19:35.125 it gets to where in his testimony basically he took 0:19:35.125 --> 0:19:38.005 her like a sack of whatever and threw over the fence, 0:19:38.125 --> 0:19:41.925 threw into the truck, threw off the truck. Now it's 0:19:42.045 --> 0:19:46.765 I gingerly put her over the fence. I eased her 0:19:46.805 --> 0:19:51.845 into the truck. It's all this appeasement. He wasn't doing 0:19:51.845 --> 0:19:56.485 it for us, he was doing it for himself. And 0:19:56.525 --> 0:19:58.645 I had had enough, so I got up and I 0:19:58.765 --> 0:19:59.525 left after that. 0:20:03.005 --> 0:20:06.645 So I agree with Larry's interpretation that there are parts 0:20:06.685 --> 0:20:09.405 of the confession where it seems that Billy Miller is 0:20:09.445 --> 0:20:11.765 trying to make himself seem more compassionate than he was, 0:20:12.765 --> 0:20:15.725 Like when Billy says he was trying to give Rebecca 0:20:15.805 --> 0:20:19.005 CPR or crying. I believe that this is his way 0:20:19.005 --> 0:20:23.125 of explaining why investigators could potentially find his DNA on 0:20:23.205 --> 0:20:26.325 Rebecca's shirt or in her facial area. And I don't 0:20:26.365 --> 0:20:29.405 believe for one second that that DNA came from attempts 0:20:29.445 --> 0:20:33.125 to save Rebecca's life or from Billy's tears. If any 0:20:33.205 --> 0:20:36.885 trace of Billy's bodily fluids are there. I believe that 0:20:36.885 --> 0:20:39.925 they would be there because he was attacking Rebecca, and 0:20:40.045 --> 0:20:43.085 Billy using words like placed her body instead of through 0:20:43.125 --> 0:20:46.365 her body. I would put that in the same category. Again, 0:20:46.565 --> 0:20:49.525 he's trying to minimize his actions. We always have to 0:20:49.565 --> 0:20:52.805 remember that every single thing that Billy Miller says has 0:20:52.805 --> 0:20:55.685 a purpose, and that purpose is serving his own self interest. 0:20:56.485 --> 0:20:58.845 He's trying to mislead and he's doing things for his 0:20:58.845 --> 0:21:02.685 own reasons, which is why I Ann, Jennifer and George 0:21:02.685 --> 0:21:05.325 and others are surprised by the fact that the ASP 0:21:05.565 --> 0:21:08.285 have relied so heavily on Billy's own words and on 0:21:08.325 --> 0:21:11.765 his confession. Because after being one of the only people 0:21:11.845 --> 0:21:14.645 so far to view the crime scene photos, I have 0:21:14.685 --> 0:21:18.245 to say, so far parts of that confession do not 0:21:18.405 --> 0:21:21.645 seem to match up with the physical evidence. Let's look 0:21:21.645 --> 0:21:24.965 at some of the other major differences in the confession. First, 0:21:25.085 --> 0:21:28.245 Billy said that he strangled Rebecca with a necktie, but 0:21:28.525 --> 0:21:31.525 he later told Larry that he didn't. What does the 0:21:31.565 --> 0:21:35.005 evidence say? In that pre trial hearing on October third, 0:21:35.565 --> 0:21:38.525 I was also able to finally hear what the medical 0:21:38.565 --> 0:21:42.805 examiner had to say about Rebecca's body Charles Cocus was 0:21:42.805 --> 0:21:46.165 the medical examiner on the Rebecca Gould case. Doctor Cocus 0:21:46.205 --> 0:21:50.005 confirmed that Rebecca's hyoid bone was intact. It was not broken. 0:21:50.605 --> 0:21:54.925 Rebecca's thyroid bone was also intact. These are the two 0:21:55.045 --> 0:21:59.125 organs that are often damaged when someone is strangled. Now, 0:21:59.165 --> 0:22:02.285 it is possible for those bones to not be broken 0:22:02.405 --> 0:22:06.285 in a case involving strangulation, especially since Rebecca would have 0:22:06.325 --> 0:22:09.285 been hitting the head multiple times and be very weak, 0:22:09.845 --> 0:22:12.285 so it wouldn't have taken much force to strangle her. 0:22:12.845 --> 0:22:16.365 While this isn't definitive, it does make it less likely 0:22:16.445 --> 0:22:19.845 that she was strangled. What's interesting to me is that 0:22:19.885 --> 0:22:23.725 Billy Miller seemed to modify his story after he saw 0:22:23.765 --> 0:22:26.685 the crime scene photos and the autopsy photos in court. 0:22:27.685 --> 0:22:30.965 I know through George and Jennifer that Billy was active 0:22:31.005 --> 0:22:34.525 on their social media community Unsolved Murder of Rebecca Gould, 0:22:35.045 --> 0:22:38.285 and that the strangulation theory was one that a lot 0:22:38.325 --> 0:22:42.325 of people talked about on that page. In fact, George 0:22:42.325 --> 0:22:44.685 and Jennifer and I are noticing that a lot of 0:22:44.685 --> 0:22:48.005 the terminology that Billy used in his confession was almost 0:22:48.045 --> 0:22:50.925 word for word what had been written on that social 0:22:51.005 --> 0:22:56.525 media site in Billy's original confession, he said that he 0:22:56.605 --> 0:22:59.405 attacked and beat Rebecca while she was lying down in 0:22:59.445 --> 0:23:03.405 bed in the bedroom. But remember in Helen Gone season one, 0:23:03.525 --> 0:23:06.285 we talked to a witness, someone who told us that 0:23:06.405 --> 0:23:09.325 Casey had hit Rebecca while she was standing up outside 0:23:09.365 --> 0:23:12.565 the bedroom arguing with him. Now, in the crime scene 0:23:12.565 --> 0:23:15.685 photos that I saw in the courtroom, there appeared to 0:23:15.725 --> 0:23:18.205 be a large amount of blood on the brown carpeting 0:23:18.245 --> 0:23:21.845 outside the bedroom and in the kitchen area. Billy says 0:23:22.005 --> 0:23:25.925 that he did all of this alone. So if that's true, 0:23:26.205 --> 0:23:29.485 why would he lie about where it happened. There are 0:23:29.525 --> 0:23:33.245 a lot of other contradictions. For example, Billy said that 0:23:33.285 --> 0:23:36.125 there were folded clothes on the bed, which presumably belonged 0:23:36.165 --> 0:23:39.285 to Rebecca. This matched what we had always read in 0:23:39.365 --> 0:23:42.885 newspaper articles about the case. But after seeing the crime 0:23:42.925 --> 0:23:46.045 scene photos, there were no folded clothes on the bed. 0:23:46.085 --> 0:23:48.885 There was nothing on the bed. Billy said that he 0:23:48.925 --> 0:23:51.365 struck Rebecca with a piano leg and then it shattered. 0:23:51.765 --> 0:23:54.685 So where are the wood fragments? And if he was 0:23:54.765 --> 0:23:57.605 working alone and panicking to clean up that crime scene, 0:23:58.165 --> 0:24:00.925 why were there brand new cleaning products out on the counter. 0:24:01.725 --> 0:24:04.005 Did he go buy cleaning products and bring them back. 0:24:04.525 --> 0:24:06.565 And if he did start cleaning up and took the 0:24:06.605 --> 0:24:09.685 time to put bloody clothes on a wash cycle, why 0:24:09.685 --> 0:24:12.565 would he not deal with the blood soaked carpet? Was 0:24:12.605 --> 0:24:15.365 he planning to come back? Wouldn't he worry that the 0:24:15.405 --> 0:24:17.965 stuff would be visible to Casey and others who came 0:24:18.005 --> 0:24:18.725 into that trailer. 0:24:24.725 --> 0:24:28.085 This man definitely did it, but the gray area was 0:24:28.085 --> 0:24:31.645 not answered. And the gray area is was there somebody 0:24:31.645 --> 0:24:32.205 else there? 0:24:33.405 --> 0:24:33.605 Yeah? 0:24:34.045 --> 0:24:37.205 Is there somebody else help help with this? He was 0:24:38.405 --> 0:24:40.125 He wasn't going to tell you to tell the truth 0:24:41.085 --> 0:24:44.085 and so and that's that became really obvious real fast, 0:24:44.725 --> 0:24:47.205 And that's what I was hoping for. I thought, you know, 0:24:47.245 --> 0:24:49.365 give the guy a chance. Let's see if he'll, if 0:24:49.365 --> 0:24:53.165 he will break down and really detail exactly what happened 0:24:53.765 --> 0:24:55.205 and didn't happen. 0:24:59.885 --> 0:25:03.125 So, if Billy is not telling the truth about how 0:25:03.165 --> 0:25:07.365 Rebecca died, I wonder or could he be hiding something else? 0:25:08.605 --> 0:25:11.485 I talked to George Jarrett and Jennifer Buckles about these 0:25:11.485 --> 0:25:15.925 two different confessions, and he said he placed her and 0:25:15.965 --> 0:25:17.285 he said he didn't strangle her. 0:25:18.325 --> 0:25:20.765 Yeah, And I noticed that. 0:25:20.845 --> 0:25:23.205 So when he went before the judge, and the Judge's like, 0:25:23.285 --> 0:25:24.805 you know, this is we're being charguate. This is what 0:25:24.805 --> 0:25:27.325 you're pleading to Okay, now explain to the court why 0:25:28.125 --> 0:25:32.125 for what you did that meets this charge. And he said, well, 0:25:32.765 --> 0:25:38.685 on September twentieth, two thousand and four, I hit Rebecca. 0:25:39.045 --> 0:25:40.645