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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up? Straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Thursday, October thirty first two Thy twenty four,

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Speaker 2: Hoppy Halloween, and congratulations are in order to the La

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Speaker 2: Dodgers who overcame a five nothing deficit in a wild

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Speaker 2: World Series Game five, come back and beat the Yanks

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Speaker 2: seven to six, capture the World Series crown in dramatic fashion.

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Speaker 2: Tremendous game last night. I was watching it at my

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Speaker 2: daughter's soccer practice. That melt down by the Yankees in

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Speaker 2: the fifth inning will not soon be forgotten. I'll talk

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Speaker 2: about that, and then we have a great guest, one

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Speaker 2: of you, the favorites every time we have them on

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Speaker 2: you guys love in Preston Johnson, aka the Sports Cheetah.

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Speaker 2: And if you elect to watch the interview on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: you will be shocked because Preston has shaved off his

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Speaker 2: James Harden beard, which he's had the whole time I've

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Speaker 2: known him, and you see him and I was like,

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Speaker 2: ohh that's a different human being it. Come to think

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Speaker 2: of it, I have not seen James Harden without his beard.

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Speaker 2: You got to go look up like Arizona State videos

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Speaker 2: to see the last time Harden didn't have his beard anyway.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we're posting the YouTube videos on the interviews

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Speaker 2: on YouTube now, so you can go check that out,

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Speaker 2: or you could just listen to the podcast and here

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Speaker 2: what he has to say. I'll just be brief because

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Speaker 2: the interview with Preston's long. Yankees go up five to nothing.

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Speaker 2: I'm instantly like, oh shucks, all right, Game six, gotta

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Speaker 2: get tickets Friday coming back here, probably can get tickets,

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Speaker 2: all right. Who am I gonna go with?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: Do I take the fan? Do I just take one

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Speaker 2: of the kids, the wife?

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Speaker 1: What do we do?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a lot going on. Is Game seven

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Speaker 2: could be Saturday night? Holy cow, you got Penn State,

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Speaker 2: Ohio State, and then maybe World Series Game seven. Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, it's gonna be great. Yank's up five nothing,

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Speaker 2: your cruising, and then the fifth inning happens and it's

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Speaker 2: just an absolute meltdown. Aaron Judge drops a routine pop fly.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Judge had a home run earlier in the game.

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Speaker 2: You're like, okay, Judge got the late inning hit in

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Speaker 2: Game four, woke him up. Then he hits the home run.

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Speaker 2: It's like, all right, here we go. Yanks are back.

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Speaker 2: Judge drops a fly ball in the fifth inning. Okay,

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Speaker 2: next thing you know, Yankees are working. There are out

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Speaker 2: of a jam, bases loaded, two outs, and it's a

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Speaker 2: ground ball to first base. Okay, Mookie Bets obviously a

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Speaker 2: it and thought Rizzo could just walk to the bag.

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Speaker 2: But Rizzillo is not fleet to foot. Nobody covers first base.

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Speaker 2: It's like baseball one on one basics that you learn,

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Speaker 2: and you know double a as a ten year old,

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Speaker 2: at least that's what it was for me. And Mookie

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Speaker 2: Bets beats it out and the Dodgers get on the board,

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Speaker 2: and that was just the beginning of the end. Freddy

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Speaker 2: Freeman follows that up with a single, two runners score.

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Speaker 2: Next toe you know, it's five to three. Then Hernandez

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Speaker 2: tie game at five, Yanks retook the lead, and then

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers come back in the eighth with two and

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Speaker 2: it was just a devastating loss for the Yankees. They

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Speaker 2: had a catcher's interference in that pivot eighth inning, you

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Speaker 2: had a balk in the eighth or ninth, I forget

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Speaker 2: this was they They felt it. They were like, all right,

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Speaker 2: in their mind making travel plans, and they just weren't

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Speaker 2: locked in. Gotta say lock folks. Anyways, congrats to the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: There were fireworks last night in Los Angeles because La

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Speaker 2: just loves fireworks. And that's a tough one for the

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Speaker 2: Yankees to swallow. But Shoeo Tani goes from playing for

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Speaker 2: the Angels winning nothing first year with the Dodgers, goes

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Speaker 2: fifty to fifty and then wins a World Series. Oh

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Speaker 2: what a sport? All right, Without further ado, let's get

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Speaker 2: to our guest Preston Johnson.

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Speaker 1: he knows everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but for.

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Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't, he knows the guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to Straight Fire. One of

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Speaker 2: the most popular guests. I'm pretty sure every time he

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Speaker 2: of clicks and listens because he's interesting, He's got a

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Speaker 2: lot going on, and if you're watching on YouTube, you

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Speaker 2: know he's got a nice little setup in his backyard.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: Preston Johnson, who has shaved off the James Harden beard.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, startling.

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Speaker 3: I have. I had to give James Harden and Vitza

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Speaker 3: Zubots my guys here in LA a chance this season,

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Speaker 3: so I shaved mine off. Clippers are like the third

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Speaker 3: best defense in the league in Harlem Iver saying like

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Speaker 3: twenty five and thirteen and zubots is what like twenty five,

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Speaker 3: fourteen and six, So he leads a league in rebounding. Like, look,

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Speaker 3: I'm just kidding. I'm a Lakers fan, you know that.

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Speaker 3: But I had to give some love to heart and

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Speaker 2: I can't believe he's looking at NBA defensive stats in

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Speaker 2: the first week of the season and that's just he's

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Speaker 2: a diehard. But let me ask you what was behind

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Speaker 2: shaving off that, James harden Beard? Because I've known you,

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Speaker 2: I guess probably five six years and you've had it

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Speaker 2: do you not want to talk about it?

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, I don't care. I just honestly, I was

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Speaker 3: went for it. But it had been like nine plus.

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Speaker 2: Years, so nine what did the kids and wife say.

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Speaker 3: Kid first kid? Oldest started crying when she first saw

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Speaker 3: you know, a bit later, so it was okay. But ever,

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Speaker 3: I mean you said it. What I came around. Everyone

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Speaker 3: I should just run. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean not that you looked older before, but

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Speaker 2: except when you're in your twenties and you want to

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Speaker 2: look a little bit older. But wow, Well congrats man.

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Speaker 2: in a while. I do follow you on social media obviously.

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Speaker 2: What's the latest with Crawley Town, the soccer team you

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Speaker 2: own overseas.

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Speaker 3: We got promoted last season, so we're in League one

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Speaker 3: now and it's a battle because it's just it's we're

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Speaker 3: of expected it from the get go this summer, but

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Speaker 2: It is an experience. You obviously don't follow Lega MX,

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Speaker 2: you know, you could see it coming. But it's like

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Speaker 2: soccer is real tough. We've got i think the best

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious. This is a small thing. I haven't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm sure you saw. Also they're pegging this

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Speaker 2: do don't tune in here for soccer. They want your takes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. President, I'm sorry to report this, and

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Speaker 2: kind of into the election now that we're like only

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Speaker 2: it was the Tony Hincliff thing over the weekend. I

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Speaker 2: know he's a comedian. Blah blah blah. Okay, I've had

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Speaker 2: than I expected, and I'm like kind of following it now.

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Speaker 2: I am just curious, A, do you have one cent

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Speaker 2: wagered on the election?

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Speaker 3: No? Zero sense wagered?

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Speaker 2: Have you wagered in previous elections?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: How did that go?

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Speaker 3: It went? It went? Okay. I here's here's here's my

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Speaker 3: politics in general. One. I generally hate politics because it

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Speaker 3: typically brings out the worst in people. Yes, so I

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Speaker 3: I stay out of it. I don't follow it very closely.

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Speaker 3: But interestingly enough, I live in a country. I'm in America,

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Speaker 3: whereas it's a very unique setup and race, this current

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Speaker 3: markets have been extremely weird. So I've obviously heard a

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Speaker 3: How good is Miami them a lot talked about. I

432
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Speaker 3: haven't watched them play yet, but they might actually be

433
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Speaker 3: pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they I can give up a lot of points

435
00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 2: and they seem to pull some stuff out of the

436
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Speaker 2: rear end all the time.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: My guess is Clemson's going to be favored against them

439
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Speaker 2: in the ACC title game, right? Is that what you're Okay? So,

440
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Speaker 2: how do you think this shakes out? Like Alabama already

441
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Speaker 2: has two losses. Do you think that there's a chance

442
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Speaker 2: with two losses they're gonna get left out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: If they don't even make the SEC title game, I

445
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Speaker 3: think there's a chance. Again, it's all it all comes

446
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 3: down to those final weeks of well BYU loses and

447
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 3: it's one lost BYU and two lost Bama, Like Bama's

448
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 3: getting in. But if BYU goes undefeated, then Bama has

449
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 3: a team that they can't get in for and so

450
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Speaker 3: then it's like it's going to just depend on that

451
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Speaker 3: multiple games, you know, I Aloway States flirted with being

452
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Speaker 3: a top ten ish team a few seasons under Matt

453
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Speaker 3: Campbell see the coach still probably and they've always been

454
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Speaker 3: in like a top twenty five team. So my guess

455
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Speaker 3: is when it comes down to it, they would be

456
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Speaker 3: favorites against BYU. They've kind of have the pedigree a

457
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Speaker 3: little bit more and are probably slightly more talented anyway,

458
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Speaker 3: So it's probably gonna be Iowa State if I had

459
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Speaker 3: to actually bet on it. But my guess is BOU

460
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Speaker 3: is like it's like a sixty to forty game or something,

461
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Speaker 3: so it's not dead for the hope inside me to

462
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Speaker 3: see something a miracle happen.

463
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Speaker 2: It just does feel like if Alabama gets left out

464
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Speaker 2: of the playoff in the first year of this thing.

465
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Speaker 3: And there's twelve teams, yeah, there's going.

466
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Speaker 2: To be an uproar in the SEC and then you

467
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Speaker 2: know we got to expand it.

468
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Speaker 3: We got we got it. So I know there was

469
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Speaker 3: some changes, and I honestly don't even know who's in

470
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Speaker 3: what division anymore. But is it still A and M,

471
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Speaker 3: Georgia and Bama. Are they all on one side or

472
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Speaker 3: is Georgia on the other side? That's right, I have

473
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Speaker 3: to look because I guess there's a chance Bama could

474
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Speaker 3: still make the SEC title game and then from there

475
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Speaker 3: when the SEC and then they'd be in for sure

476
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Speaker 3: with two losses. So I guess it depends on all

477
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Speaker 3: misses on their side, or at least they used to be.

478
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Speaker 3: I know Texas was added. Which side is Texas on?

479
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Speaker 3: So there could be a way that Alabama sneaks in

480
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Speaker 3: the two losses.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, So the SEC is having a down year and

482
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Speaker 2: it looks like they have three six eight teams ranked

483
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Speaker 2: in the top twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Tennessee's on their side too, are they at least they

485
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Speaker 3: used to be. I think, yeah, yeah, there's a bunch.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Tennessee's particularly good.

487
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Speaker 3: I don't know, do you or I've actually watched them

488
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 3: play Bama. That was another one. I live bet them

489
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Speaker 3: at one point just for action, like in the third

490
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Speaker 3: or fourth quarter. They're probably what's crazy about them is

491
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Speaker 3: their offense has been so good. It's hyper. The guy

492
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Speaker 3: that used to be a central FORWIDA, I think right

493
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 3: runs quick, up tempo. He's always had pretty average to

494
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Speaker 3: poor defenses. Now Tennessee's defense is like top ten, but

495
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Speaker 3: they're not quite good enough at offense. It's like if

496
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Speaker 3: you had had like the Hendon Hooker years on offense

497
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Speaker 3: with this year's defense, they would be legit. But I

498
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Speaker 3: think they're kind of just unbalanced and so probably not

499
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Speaker 3: quite competitive enough.

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Speaker 2: How much do you think NIL has kind of balanced

501
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Speaker 2: out things in college football because it feels like this

502
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Speaker 2: year there's nobody that's great or dominant.

503
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Speaker 3: It's a good question. I haven't looked into it much,

504
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Speaker 3: although I've had people telling me like, Hey, you should

505
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Speaker 3: get a job as a general manager at a university

506
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Speaker 3: for like basketball or college football, And I was like,

507
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 3: are those is like a thing now? Like it's a

508
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Speaker 3: real position now? Is because you have to be a

509
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Speaker 3: GM because you're managing all the NIL money in which

510
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Speaker 3: play it's like a recruiting you're basically buying players or

511
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Speaker 3: trading for players in some way. And I was like,

512
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Speaker 3: that's interesting. You know what woj just didn't he just

513
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 3: quit what he did? Yeah, basically the general manager? Is

514
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 3: it like Saint Joe's or something Bonaventure?

515
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very audi.

516
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so like those are going to be positions

517
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Speaker 3: that are real, which means this NIL stuff is having

518
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Speaker 3: real impact on performance and ultimately how universities and sporting

519
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: programs are competitive. But I can look at reasons yet

520
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: really quite you know, detailed.

521
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Speaker 2: NIL is creating jobs. Now you've got all You've got

522
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Speaker 2: all these people managing athletes to help them get NIL money.

523
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Speaker 2: You've got new positions opening up at universe like this,

524
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Speaker 2: I feel like the NIL has been really good for

525
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Speaker 2: college sports.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in general, it's I was always kind of on

527
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Speaker 3: the side where athletes when you're making so many millions

528
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Speaker 3: as a university and the athletes get a scholarship, and

529
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Speaker 3: I understand the argument of oh, well, it's an education

530
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Speaker 3: they couldn't get anywhere else. It's like, at some point,

531
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Speaker 3: like the numerical values of a scholarship and an education

532
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Speaker 3: relative to what those universities were pulling in was just crazy.

533
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Speaker 3: So I think it's good that the players are starting

534
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Speaker 3: to get rewarded for who they are and how good

535
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Speaker 3: they are at the sport and the amount of attraction

536
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Speaker 3: and eyes that they bring in university and program. And

537
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: then like you're right, agents are you know, more jobs

538
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Speaker 3: for them, although I generally hate agents, more so in

539
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: English football, but oh yeah, yeah, it's just always a

540
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: mess with agents. But like there's a lot of opportunity.

541
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Speaker 3: So I think it'll really probably turn in the next

542
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Speaker 3: three years, and then in about three years we'll like

543
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Speaker 3: kind of know like, oh, this is how it's done,

544
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Speaker 3: this is the process, these are the positions, these are

545
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Speaker 3: the jobs, and so it'll be like kind of like

546
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Speaker 3: that five year total transition.

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550
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551
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Speaker 2: Now, one more college question before we go to NFL,

552
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 2: and it's actually college hoops. I think we have probably

553
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Speaker 2: the biggest name to go to college basketball since Zion.

554
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Speaker 2: That would be Cooper Flag. I mean, it's possible I

555
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Speaker 2: miss somebody, but the hype around Cooper Flag, the stories

556
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Speaker 2: about him and the the Olympic lead ups, going toe

557
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: to toe with Anthony Davison company, the Cooper Flag hype

558
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: is real. I don't know if you saw the dismembered

559
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: Arizona State by like sixty and some kind of glorified scrimmage.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for Cooper Flag. We already see teams in

561
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Speaker 2: the NBA like Utah Jazz, there's a salute the flag

562
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Speaker 2: and all these hashtags going on. It's a little crazy,

563
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Speaker 2: But how much have you seen a Cooper flag? And

564
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Speaker 2: what's your vibe in college hoops the season?

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Speaker 3: I've never seen a game where he's actually just playing

566
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Speaker 3: like up and down, like a full game. It's always

567
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Speaker 3: just highlight video switch which like your local team, the

568
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Speaker 3: jmac higlight video would look good, like you could you

569
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: could be in the draft this summer. So like, I

570
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Speaker 3: don't really know. I can't put a ton of stock

571
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Speaker 3: in other than he's some kid from Maine, I believe. Yeah,

572
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Speaker 3: it's just the most unlikely spot and to see what

573
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Speaker 3: he can do and whatever one's hyping, like everyone hyped

574
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Speaker 3: up Wemby and like at this point in time, like

575
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Speaker 3: if you're that hyped, you're probably that good and you're

576
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Speaker 3: not going to be a bust. So the main thing

577
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Speaker 3: I would say I concentrate on more than anything currently

578
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Speaker 3: is how does it impact the tanking and the NBA season,

579
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Speaker 3: And from a betting standpoint, that will certainly play a

580
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Speaker 3: role in the second half of the season as far

581
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: as how teams are pricing or getting priced on how

582
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Speaker 3: they're playing, as far as players and who's resting and

583
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Speaker 3: load management, and oh, so and so has an ankle

584
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Speaker 3: injury for six weeks and because they're just trying to

585
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Speaker 3: lose because they want Cooper flag. So that's why it

586
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Speaker 3: interests me, is the amount of intent from teams to

587
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Speaker 3: lose on purpose.

588
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Speaker 2: Since you mentioned injuries, one NBA one that jumped out

589
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Speaker 2: is the Joel Embiid stuff. So Joel Embiid played in

590
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Speaker 2: the Olympics, okay, but didn't have a procedure according to

591
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen any reports that he had a clean

592
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Speaker 2: up certain nothing, And now he's already missing looks like

593
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Speaker 2: he's about to miss a week here to start the season.

594
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Speaker 2: And you got predictably Charles Barkley piling in and all

595
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Speaker 2: these guys, And it's like, I don't know, Preston, why

596
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Speaker 2: should they have it both ways? Why should we be

597
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: able to bury Embid when he's not one hundred percent

598
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Speaker 2: healthy in the playoffs and doesn't deliver, and then also

599
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Speaker 2: bury him when he doesn't want to play in games

600
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Speaker 2: and he said he's never doing back to backs again

601
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Speaker 2: in his career or something like that. Like I kind

602
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: of defend him in this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, especially when Barkley, I think, is one

604
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Speaker 3: of the guys that'll like, you know, bash him in

605
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Speaker 3: the playoffs when he's not playing very hard or he's

606
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: fatigued late or can't go. And you know, I think

607
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 3: what's interesting and the reason why I would defend the

608
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Speaker 3: people that are kind of hating on him now some

609
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 3: back would be he did say he wasn't going to

610
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: play back to back sever again, which gives you the

611
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Speaker 3: intent that he is going to be playing this season,

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Speaker 3: just not in the back to backs, and then suddenly

613
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Speaker 3: a week or two later, it's like, oh, actually, also

614
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Speaker 3: I'm not ready yet, and he didn't have a surgical operation,

615
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 3: and he was playing in the Olympics a little while ago. Yeah,

616
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Speaker 3: so like, what is there there? Seems like there's something

617
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 3: there that doesn't quite add up. But if he had

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Speaker 3: been like saying, look, I'm focused on playoffs in a

619
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Speaker 3: potential championship, I'm never going to play the back to backs.

620
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Speaker 3: But he's playing from the get go this season, then

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Speaker 3: no one would be complaining. I actually think it would

622
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: go over well. But the question is that, well, then

623
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Speaker 3: why is he not playing now? And that's where you

624
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Speaker 3: get the the headbutting. And so I see both points

625
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: of view. If we're up to me though, and if

626
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: it were up to Darryl Morey, who I know is

627
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: just trying to win a championship and probably should have

628
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: had one already in Houston. Like, if you're maximizing and

629
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 3: optimizing for winning a ring, which is what every team

630
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 3: should ultimately be doing, you got to make sure embi' t.

631
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Speaker 3: Now here's the question I think I heard. I haven't

632
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: been following extremely closely. I think they have the worst

633
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 3: net rating in the NBA so far the Sixers do

634
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: without Paul George and Embiid. It's pretty bad at some level.

635
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: And last year I think they only won thirty percent

636
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: of their games without Embiid, Like they're a pretty bad

637
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 3: team when he's not playing. He's just that impactful. He's

638
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 3: one of the best players in the world at some level.

639
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: You have to have him play if you're even going

640
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs, and if your first round against

641
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: the Celtics like rip anyway, So like you got to

642
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: make a decision eventually where the regular season does matter.

643
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 3: But if you're optimizing for playoff runs and championships, I

644
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: do understand playing them fifty to fifty five games this year.

645
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 3: Maybe it needs to be sixty, but why is he

646
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Speaker 3: not playing? Now? What's the story? Who knows?

647
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Speaker 2: That's a little troubling. Two teams have underachieved in again,

648
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: it's very early, but the Bucks look quite bad. Preston

649
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: one in three he can't stop anybody. No, I mean,

650
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 2: we saw that coming, but we didn't realize it'd be

651
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: this bad. And then the Nuggets, who you know, have

652
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: needed to come back like late over time time type wins.

653
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, the Nuggets are not And I don't

654
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: know how much of this is Jamal Murray with Denver,

655
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: but I haven't watched enough Bucks to know what the

656
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: hell's going on. I'm just you know, reading and checking.

657
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: The box scores.

658
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: But it definitely feels like if those two teams stumble,

659
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 2: the Nuggets go super Bowl, not Super Bowl, NBA Finals

660
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: window will have closed, and then the Bucks. You start

661
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: to wonder about Yannis.

662
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: Did he go somewhere else, like at.

663
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: Least going to ask out. I don't know.

664
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: Here's here's the question. I'll just get straight to it.

665
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: Is it possible that Drew Holiday impacts winning more than

666
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: Damian Lillard. It's easier to say now, but people were

667
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: some a few people were mentioning it even a couple

668
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 3: of years ago, even throughout the fact that Drew ended

669
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 3: up going to Boston, which directly hurt Milwaukee bucks chances

670
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 3: ever winning a title, which they didn't see coming when

671
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: they made the trade of Portland. But just straight up, like,

672
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: is Drew Holliday a more impactful player towards winning than

673
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: Damian Lillard? And it's kind of bearing itself out some

674
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: I know the Celtics are stacked anyway, but when you

675
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: have Dame Lillard and then you're throwing Gary Trent Junior

676
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: and Turian Prince and Giannis is a good defender and

677
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: Book Lopez at least used to be, and he's probably

678
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: just declining because he's old and his improtection isn't what

679
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: it was like they don't have anyone to stop the

680
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: point of attack when it's Dame, Gary Trant Junior and

681
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: Prince who's old, and they never really was that good

682
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: of a three and D guy anyway. Truthfully, it's like

683
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: you're never going to get stops. But like Drew Holliday,

684
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 3: does he add what damecat offensively? Of course not, but

685
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: he would bring something defensively that they don't have. Even

686
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: when Middleton comes back and he's healthy, which is a

687
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: big if these days. Anyway, he's not a defender. He's

688
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: not going to just lock guys up and stop the

689
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: point of attack. That's what you needed, Drew Holliday. And

690
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: it's like, could Giannis have carried the offensive load without

691
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: Dame if you had Drew, and would you have been

692
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: a better team overall? And I think the answer is

693
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 3: kind of bearing itself out. Or is Mark excuse me,

694
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: is it Budenholzer, Mike Budenholzer. Is he a better coach

695
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: than Doc? And why did they even fire him in

696
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: the first place? Or free Doc? Forgive me? It's a griff.

697
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Was like thirty fifteen or something.

698
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had like sixty seven to seventy percent win

699
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: rate and everyone hated them, so they got rid of him.

700
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: So like there's also some coaching aspect to the formula,

701
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: But the variable of Drew versus Dame, I think is

702
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: the one where if you look straight up, it's Drew's

703
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 3: not nearly as sexy as Dame Willard taking step back

704
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: thirty footers and he has those games where everyone's getting

705
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: texted and seeing it on Twitter, and they turned the

706
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: channel a couple times a year, but like other than that,

707
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: like Drew probably just impacts winning more and that's the

708
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: trade was probably just wrong.

709
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember Drew got chipped to the Bucks initially

710
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,959
Speaker 2: and they instantly win a title and take down the Suns,

711
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: and he was awesome in the finals, and then he

712
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: goes to Boston wins another title. Oh that's a that's

713
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: a look at that. That's a spicy take impact.

714
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: I don't even think it's that spicy anymore. And the numbers,

715
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 3: I think free trade.

716
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: But if you see that out loud, or if you

717
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: float that on social media, or if you're in the

718
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: gym going, I know you hoops a lot, go in

719
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: the gym, tell a couple guys, dude, Drew Holiday is

720
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: more important than Damian Lillard. They'll they'll look at you

721
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: like you don't know ball, They'll say stupid stuff like that,

722
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 2: But the reality is you're right for sure. Holiday. All right,

723
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: let's go to NFL. First of all, first question, any

724
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: macro takeaways for the league here through what are we

725
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: eight weeks?

726
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it has been so. I actually saw

727
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: this last night. I think I was obviously I'm sweating.

728
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: It's Dodgers World Series when we blew the sleep last night,

729
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: but hopefully you get it close to night. But I

730
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: was on Twitter a lot more than usual because of

731
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: Dodger stuff, and I saw someone tweet a picture of

732
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: the bottom of the standings, just teams like one through

733
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: thirty or thirty two whatever there are in NFL. Yeah,

734
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: and there was like, there's like twelve teams that are

735
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: three three wins are fewer so far. This He's like,

736
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: there's just like a lot of bad teams, And does

737
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: that mean there's that many good teams or is it

738
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: just that like people I don't know, or is it

739
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: just random? Like I'm trying to decide, is the NFL

740
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: that split where there's just extremes on both sides or

741
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: is it that the mediocre teams can beat up on

742
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: the bad teams and so the mediocre teams that have

743
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 3: good records so far actually aren't even that good and

744
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: shouldn't even be contenders. You know, in the mix there

745
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 3: would be like like the Eagles have won a couple

746
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: in a row, but are they really that good? It

747
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: was against bad teams, like they were in the Super

748
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: Bowl a couple of years ago, but they've declined since,

749
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 3: but maybe they're coming back. But also like maybe they've

750
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: just beat up on teams that are bad, like the Niners,

751
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 3: for example. You have like the text ins like the

752
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: Niners should be good, but they've been injured and they're

753
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 3: trying to survive, and so they're one where you look

754
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: at their record and they're like, oh, they're probably better,

755
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 3: but like maybe they aren'tod enough to like. So when

756
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: you're looking for like actual teams that can win the

757
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, which usually is a pretty big pot, my instinct,

758
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: without really following again as closely as usual, I'm not

759
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: betting on the NFL this year. My instinct is there's

760
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: just not as many teams that are like elite super

761
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 3: Bowl worthy candidates in the NFL this year than in

762
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 3: past seasons. And the case Chiefs are one that are

763
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: undefeated I think still right, Yeah, Like their offense still

764
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: has been pretty garbage and Mahomes can't like really throw

765
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: touchdowns and throws interceptions every game. So it's like there's

766
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: just like a lot of question marks and I wish

767
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: I had like more answers that are definitive, but I

768
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: think it's like if Chiefs have to be the mix

769
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: Ravens have to be in the mix obviously, just because

770
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: like some of the Lions are probably the other kind

771
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: of top three to four team that has a real

772
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: legitimate shot. But after that, like, I think it's really

773
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: hard to make arguments that, like this team is good

774
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: just because I think there's so much bad and it's

775
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: just been Maybe it's just a weird start too, it

776
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 3: could kind of balance out.

777
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: It's weird because in football we have the salary cap obviously,

778
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 2: and the league wants parody that everybody has a chance.

779
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: We know that the Panthers suck, the Browns are terrible,

780
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: the Jets, the Giants for like, mostly for a decade,

781
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: all those teams have been garbage, but you've also had

782
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 2: some teams come up and kind of surprise, it looks

783
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: like Washington is back. It's early. By the way, were

784
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: you on Jaden Daniels or Drake May who did you

785
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: think was better coming out?

786
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: I think Daniels is going to probably be better. That's

787
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 3: easy to say now, so I also now, I also

788
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: didn't think Mahomes would be a good quarterback, So I'll

789
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: take it like Daniel's over May for sure. While I

790
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: mean you mentioned Washington so them in the Texans, like,

791
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: for example, those are two teams that are like, do

792
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: you actually think they can win the Super Bowl?

793
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: Well, I can. First of all, I was saying Drake

794
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: May coming out versus d Jayden Dan's coming out of

795
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 2: the day because I was a May guy, like an idiot,

796
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 2: and I feel dumb. Now Daniels looks incredible. I think

797
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: Washington could be in the NFC Championship game win the

798
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: Super Bowl this year. I'd be stunned.

799
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: So I think there's a lot of those teams, not

800
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: a lot, but like a couple of those up there

801
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 3: that just I don't think actually can win it. But

802
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: their record's good so far because there's just been so

803
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: many bad teams that others are beating up on real quick.

804
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: If I think the reason I thought Daniels was better

805
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: is I think we've had enough evidence in the last

806
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: five to ten years that quarterbacks that get more time,

807
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: even if it's a transfer to another college or play

808
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: more like four years, can just be trusted immediately in

809
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 3: the NFL their rookie season or sophomore seasons more than that.

810
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: Used to be the perception before it was like just

811
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: draft the guy with the most upside and play him

812
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: right away, and those guys just haven't panned out as often,

813
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: and so I think there's something to like even a

814
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: rock perty Right who got to play a bunch of

815
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: years in college and step in Daniels who got to

816
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: really improve as a legate athlete and quarterback first, and

817
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: then he can step in and he's just used to

818
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 3: seeing fifty plus games of defenses, which is a lot

819
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 3: of experience, whether it's college level or not. So I

820
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: think that's why, like the Daniels versus may or some

821
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: of these other younger guys that are more raw, just

822
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: i'd probably bet on the guy. No. Now, Daniels is

823
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: like twenty four or five years old already, so you

824
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 3: don't have as much upside long term, but regardless, you're

825
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: trying to win now or at least soon. So like

826
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: Cook carries at some point.

827
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like for instance, cam Ward has been around the block.

828
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: I think this is his third school. He was at

829
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: Washington State and Incarnate Ward or something. I love cam

830
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: Ward coming out. I think he's gonna I think he's awesome.

831
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how much you've seen in Miami,

832
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: but he strikes me as a guy who's going to

833
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: be awesome prospect. I still have questions about Shador. I

834
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: don't know about you.

835
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: I don't know that. I don't understand. And they have

836
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: so many good receivers. And is it Dion thing? Is

837
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: it familiarity that's or is he actually good? I actually

838
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 3: don't know. I think that's one of the more interesting

839
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 3: bets on a quarterback that's going to probably go. I

840
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: don't know. Is it first round? I imagine, well, if.

841
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: The Panthers and Titans are drafting one two Mike, yes,

842
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: is there go both going quarterbacks?

843
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: Right? It's yeah, So you'd think one of them would

844
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 3: be Schudor at that point.

845
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: And one's Cam. And then the Jets are kind of

846
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: up Shit's creek because they have they're struck with Aaron Rodgers,

847
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: who's been, you know, not very good. And then you know,

848
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: just to Dick in interviews, and then is he going

849
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: to stick around or retire? You know, is he gonna

850
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: want to walk away a failure in his one Jet stit?

851
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: And if he does walk away, great, But then the

852
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 2: Jets are like, do we take Quinn Viewers, I don't

853
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: like what I've seen from Carson Beck to you or no.

854
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: No, he's Yeah, I think he went in with more

855
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 3: hype than he's actually he's like he's like he reminds

856
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 3: me of like like very he's got some Mitchell Trubisky vibes.

857
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, but but he just has a bunch

858
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: of talent around him and you know, a good defense

859
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: and athletes and coaching staff, but probably not good enough

860
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: to be an NFL quarterback.

861
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, do you like.

862
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: Yours? I think actually has like like the touch on

863
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: his long ball and his ability to just lead receivers

864
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: and like his vision I feel like is way less

865
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: structured than like Beck's just in a great situation, but

866
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: Sark's also a great phenomenal offensive mind, like akin to

867
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 3: like a Shanahan or McVeigh, where maybe yours is just

868
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: the benefit of that. Manning stepped in and it was

869
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: pretty good too, So I'm not sure about the stuff

870
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: I've seen of viewers. Even his freshman season when he

871
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: first stepped in before an injury and he was out,

872
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: I was like blown away by what he could do.

873
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: So I actually I actually have a little more pro

874
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: yours than you are, probably.

875
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: Well, And I bring up quarterbacks Preston because you look

876
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: around the league and it's like, quarterback play looks like

877
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: it's kind of gone down again. The numbers, nobody's really

878
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 2: Like Baker Mayfield leads the league in touchdown passes. We

879
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: know Lamar is special, we know Josh Allen special. Mahomes

880
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: to struggle, but he's very good. Like I got to

881
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: be honest, there's moments where Jordan Love is throwing so

882
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: many picks and looks like he's got happy feet in

883
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 2: the pocket, and then you know, Jared Goff is his

884
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: first outdoor game of the season this weekend, Like I

885
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 2: don't quarterback plays seems like it's gone down, Like Trevor Lawrence?

886
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: Is he even good?

887
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: Even good? And he was one of the best prospects

888
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: since what Andrew Luck I think was the camp right,

889
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: Like it's a great question. He was good. He just

890
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: can you tell me what's yours? I know, I know

891
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: we're wrapping up soon. What's your opinion on those guys

892
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: that were good for like a year or two and

893
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: showed promise and then suddenly I have dropped off like

894
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence, Like what actually happened? Is it the coaching?

895
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 3: Is Lawrence not working hard enough to improve his game.

896
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: Is it the talent around him or was the one

897
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: to two years more fluky? Like I think Blake Bortle's

898
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: on the jagside are run into the AFC title game

899
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: against the Pats, they lost late right one ver, So

900
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: like maybe it's just randomness, Like I don't know, But

901
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: like the Lawrence one is like baffling. He was supposed

902
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 3: to be the guy Kyler Murray.

903
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: Too right, But like the one with Trevor Lawrence, And

904
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: again there's no data to sit back this up. But

905
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 2: you know, at Fox one day, one of these guys

906
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: comes on the set and I'm like, what's going on

907
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 2: with Trevor Lawrence? And like, oh, that guy doesn't love football.

908
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: I was like, what do you mean. They're like, he

909
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: doesn't want football to be his thing. Like, oh, there's

910
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, the quarterback. He wants to be like Trevor

911
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: Lawrence the human who is married and a good family

912
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: guy and goes to church. And I mean, I don't

913
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: think that means he's not looking at film or anything,

914
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: but I don't. And hey, I'm not gonna lie to you.

915
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 2: When I play my men's basketball league, you know, like

916
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: that's everything to me the whole week leading up to

917
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: the game. After if we lose, I'm brestfallen. I mean,

918
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 2: like a massive funk.

919
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: I get text sometimes from Jason you do I do

920
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 3: do that?

921
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence apparently is not that guy.

922
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: Now.

923
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: I don't know.

924
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: Do you want your guy to be that guy who's

925
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: all in everything? And then maybe he stresses himself out.

926
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. They just traded away as left tackle

927
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,919
Speaker 2: Cam Robinson. I hadn't seen it, and then Christian Kirk

928
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 2: is down for the season and Brian Thomas is hurt,

929
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: and it's like, holy shit, are.

930
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 3: They just punting the season? Then at this point probably don't.

931
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, Doug Peterson's probably in.

932
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: Trouble, right, Yeah, you would think so. I mean it's

933
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 3: that like mamba mentality piece of it. It's like, do

934
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: you want them working and obsessive at a level that

935
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: makes them better than everyone else? Or do you want

936
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: the balance? And yeah, maybe he just doesn't have that

937
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: piece to the equation. That's interesting. I don't know, Trevor,

938
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: it's just people are just talking about it.

939
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, like Tom Brady, he had that laser for

940
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: his mentality, willing to you know, hey, I'm coming back,

941
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: you know, and then you know the Giselle got upset

942
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: and all that's a blah blah blah. But like, I

943
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: don't know what else could explain Trevor Lords. Do you

944
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: remember that playoff game clumpson Ohio State?

945
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: Dude? Oh yeah, how good was he?

946
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: The touchdown run, the game winning drive at the end.

947
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: And I had a lot of money on Clemson, So

948
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that game. But I love Trevor Lords

949
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 2: like a guy like Sam Donald. I don't know if

950
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: this is Kevin O'Connell or is Sam Donald figured stuff

951
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 2: out here in year six or whatever.

952
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Actually, you know, the other one

953
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: that came to mind too when you mentioned Clemson and

954
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: big games is Deshaun Watson, which I think has more

955
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, evidence to point to, like off the field

956
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: distractions on the Watson front, and obviously I think he's

957
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: injured now anyways. But the Sam Donald want So that's

958
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: another one where everyone's that like that pre draft loved

959
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: Donald or like see like that he just needed the

960
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: right situation, and it's saying, all right, well, or he

961
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: needed time, but so are we not giving Zach Wilson

962
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 3: enough time or a better situation, like is Zach Wilson

963
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 3: actually gonna be good in through four years? Like I

964
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 3: don't know, probably not so. I think Sam Donald's more

965
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: of an outlier than most. But it's a good story

966
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 3: and theory. I mean, is there something to like the prospect,

967
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: like you know, like in basketball, especially if you ever

968
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: looked at guys who were top like two four seven recruits,

969
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: like top ten guys out of high school in basketball,

970
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: and they go to college and either get hurt or

971
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: don't quite perform very well. And then like I Doke

972
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: had that year with Zion and Tatum and Reddish right,

973
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: and like all three were top ten, but you know

974
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 3: Zion are except for Zion there's they had another guy too,

975
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: like one of the Jones was it trade Tis Jones

976
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: little brother Trade Jones I think was also the team,

977
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: and like three of them were top ten and Zion

978
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: wasn't for originally and then he was actually like the

979
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: best NBA player for a year or two before he

980
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: had all of his issue now to at them obviously

981
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: as well, And so is there something to the high

982
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: school grade? It's like priors when you're modeling sports like

983
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: are the priors for an athlete's upside. Like Sam Donald

984
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: go to USC and he was one of the top

985
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: recruits going to UC in the best quarterback in his class,

986
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: but that wasn't very good in the NFL. But it

987
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 3: was like maybe it was that he was always that good,

988
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 3: he just needed the right situation or the right coaches.

989
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: That interesting. So yeah, I don't know, if we went

990
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: back and looked at some of those spots, maybe there's

991
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: more to that too.

992
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 2: Where Yeah, let me ask you, are your kids old

993
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: enough that they play like local sports?

994
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, two of them.

995
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, what I don't know if you've seen this yet,

996
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: but you know, I've been coaching in soccer and basketball,

997
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: and you'll see in second and third grade some of

998
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: the best kids like really are head and shoulders above.

999
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: Now I don't know why that is early maturing, parents, whatever,

1000
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: And then you get to sixth seventh grade and it's like, wait,

1001
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: what about Joe, And he's not the top guy anymore. Meanwhile,

1002
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: for like two years in early grade, really like he's

1003
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: the best. So then it starts to eat. And then

1004
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: last year we saw this big in basketball, this one

1005
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: kid I'm not naming names but he didn't make the

1006
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: middle school team. And I was stunned at that because

1007
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: I thought he was like a pretty good player, and

1008
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: he took that and he motivated him the next season

1009
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: and he was like maybe the third best player in

1010
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: our local league. I was like, Wow, where did this

1011
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: guy come from?

1012
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: Oh?

1013
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 2: Well, he did not make the middle school team, and

1014
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: he basically worked his ass off. His parents told me

1015
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: every week, grinding, grind, like, and you put it in work.

1016
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: And sometimes some of these early maturing kids they're like, oh,

1017
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 2: I'm the best, I'm the number one pick, blah blah blah,

1018
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: and then they just slack off. And meanwhile you've got

1019
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: these other guys coming up, and they catch up maturity wise,

1020
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: and they just put in more work. So I don't

1021
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 2: know if that applies to the college basketball in football,

1022
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: you think there's anything there or no.

1023
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: I think it's what's so. It's why we all love sport.

1024
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: It's what's brilliant about in its other work industries too,

1025
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: Like I guess the Jalen Brunson of it, Like he

1026
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 3: was never a top WAK three, he just worked really

1027
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 3: really hard and he was like fifth in MVP voting

1028
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: last year and he plays for the Knicks, and he

1029
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 3: was like a second round pick even after Villanova on

1030
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: winning a championship there and was backing up Luca and

1031
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: the MAVs and they didn't even want to pay him

1032
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: ten million a year, which is like hilarious when you

1033
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: think about that now. They said no to that, said no,

1034
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: good luck, Like Jalen Brunton just used it to like

1035
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: work harder and get better, like Austin Reeves whatever are

1036
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: getting a deal now with the Lakers and like being

1037
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 3: pretty good. Like you have those stories and then you

1038
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 3: also have the guys that were top that just didn't

1039
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: ever make it at all, like Jermarcus Russell's right, but

1040
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 3: that's like what's so brilliant is like nothing is certain

1041
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 3: and what is it about life aspects emotional and physical

1042
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 3: attributes and everything that makes impact, whether it's positive or negative.

1043
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 3: And it's like one of the reasons why you know

1044
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 3: we're trying to do stuff in English football is like

1045
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: there's there's ways to try to assess all of this

1046
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 3: data and do better than other people because it's competitive

1047
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. And so anyway, I

1048
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: just wanted to say, like the general point, I don't

1049
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 3: think any of us have the answer. But that's what's

1050
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: fun about sports.

1051
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we love sports anyways. All right, Preston, good

1052
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: catching up man, congrats on shaving the beard, and so

1053
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: it's good that you're back gambling on football. Is this

1054
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: going to become a regular thing now.

1055
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: Or just because literally I was in Vegas for less

1056
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 3: than forty eight hours, figured i'd fire away. I actually

1057
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: hit like a three team NFL parlay that I shouldn't

1058
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: have bet the next day too. It's like one of

1059
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: those when you're it's just like beginner's luck, even though

1060
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: it's like not quite beginners but sort of. Because I

1061
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: didn't know what I was doing, I fired a three

1062
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: team favorite parlay that hit. So it was a good

1063
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: It's a good little weekend. I'll probably call it a day.

1064
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 2: It's like when you're you're single and you're not looking

1065
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: to meet anybody, you're not and then you go out

1066
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 2: and you meet someone when you're least trying or locked in.

1067
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: That's it. That's just happening.

1068
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: Things happen.

1069
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, all right, Preston, good stuff man, Thanks

1070
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 2: a lot, buddy, Good to see you guys.

1071
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 3: Take it easy.