1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:14,445 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, good day, good afternoon, good evening, 2 00:00:14,605 --> 00:00:18,125 Speaker 1: whatever time it is where you are right now, Welcome 3 00:00:18,165 --> 00:00:21,005 Speaker 1: to Cadavergaws. This is the podcast where we talk about 4 00:00:21,045 --> 00:00:23,405 Speaker 1: all of the ways that people have died to cope 5 00:00:23,405 --> 00:00:26,765 Speaker 1: with our own mortality. I'm your host, Taylor, along with 6 00:00:26,845 --> 00:00:35,965 Speaker 1: Gabby and Nika. Hi oh hi hi hi okay great. 7 00:00:36,005 --> 00:00:38,445 Speaker 1: We're going to really set the tone for being winey today. 8 00:00:39,405 --> 00:00:43,845 Speaker 1: I feel baby. Today we're going to talk about how 9 00:00:44,645 --> 00:00:49,205 Speaker 1: Buddhist monks mummify themselves and how the late great playwright 10 00:00:49,285 --> 00:00:53,565 Speaker 1: Tennessee Williams expired by way of nasal spray. Question mark. 11 00:00:55,205 --> 00:00:57,805 Speaker 1: It is definitely a question mark, a big question mark. 12 00:00:58,405 --> 00:01:00,885 Speaker 1: If you're a regular to Cadaver Gaws, you know the drill. 13 00:01:01,285 --> 00:01:03,485 Speaker 1: But if you are new, we have some trigger warnings. 14 00:01:03,605 --> 00:01:08,365 Speaker 1: Today we will be talking about mamma, patient starvation, poison, asphyxiation, 15 00:01:08,485 --> 00:01:11,725 Speaker 1: and drug use, so please proceed with caution. This is 16 00:01:11,805 --> 00:01:31,005 Speaker 1: Cadaver Gals. All right, welcome all you cadaver pals. Nika 17 00:01:31,085 --> 00:01:34,205 Speaker 1: has a wonderful story about some monks. I would love 18 00:01:34,245 --> 00:01:37,565 Speaker 1: to hear what it is that they do when they 19 00:01:37,645 --> 00:01:41,565 Speaker 1: die or how they make themselves die. Cadaver pals sounds 20 00:01:41,565 --> 00:01:50,045 Speaker 1: like a dead person's vibrator, so my cadaver pal. So 21 00:01:50,245 --> 00:01:54,165 Speaker 1: we're talking today about one of my favorite kind of cadavers, 22 00:01:54,165 --> 00:01:56,525 Speaker 1: which are mummies. And I didn't realize how into these 23 00:01:56,565 --> 00:01:58,765 Speaker 1: I was until I started researching, And now I just 24 00:01:58,805 --> 00:02:01,245 Speaker 1: want to, like I would have a mummy episode. Like, 25 00:02:01,285 --> 00:02:04,365 Speaker 1: I'm very into it, very excited about it. Get out 26 00:02:04,365 --> 00:02:07,525 Speaker 1: to your cadaver pals. Yeah, get out your kidaver pal. 27 00:02:07,805 --> 00:02:12,205 Speaker 1: Get ready for this. Don't masturbating this, please, I get mummified, though, 28 00:02:12,205 --> 00:02:15,005 Speaker 1: I definitely want to be like buried with my cadaver pal. 29 00:02:15,205 --> 00:02:17,645 Speaker 1: You know. That's like how the Pharaohs would be buried 30 00:02:17,645 --> 00:02:19,565 Speaker 1: with all of their like things that they liked, like 31 00:02:19,645 --> 00:02:25,685 Speaker 1: their pets. Yeah, but I'll have the vibrator too, anywow, amazing. Okay, 32 00:02:26,125 --> 00:02:30,565 Speaker 1: So there is a practice. It's kind of it doesn't 33 00:02:30,565 --> 00:02:34,325 Speaker 1: really happen anymore. It was more in ancient Japanese Buddhist monks, 34 00:02:34,205 --> 00:02:36,165 Speaker 1: a specific kind of Buddhism too. It's not like just 35 00:02:36,245 --> 00:02:39,205 Speaker 1: every Buddhist did this, but it's this practice called sokushim boots, 36 00:02:39,645 --> 00:02:43,525 Speaker 1: and basically it's the practice of Buddhist monks mummifying themselves 37 00:02:43,565 --> 00:02:47,645 Speaker 1: while still alive. That's right, everyone, you heard it. They 38 00:02:47,765 --> 00:02:50,925 Speaker 1: are still alive as they're doing This is crazy town. 39 00:02:51,725 --> 00:02:53,925 Speaker 1: That is I love when you use the word crazy town. 40 00:02:54,005 --> 00:02:57,645 Speaker 1: It's like we're a Disney show or something like. It's 41 00:02:57,925 --> 00:03:02,245 Speaker 1: that's just that's just craziness. It is um and it's 42 00:03:02,285 --> 00:03:06,365 Speaker 1: so fascinating. So it was created by this monk called 43 00:03:06,485 --> 00:03:09,805 Speaker 1: Kukai in eight oh six, the year eight o six, 44 00:03:10,405 --> 00:03:13,525 Speaker 1: and he basically went to China and studied telling Me, 45 00:03:13,725 --> 00:03:16,485 Speaker 1: which is a kind of Chinese Buddhism, and then went 46 00:03:16,525 --> 00:03:18,925 Speaker 1: back to Japan and found it a different kind of 47 00:03:18,925 --> 00:03:22,725 Speaker 1: Buddhism called Shingon. So he took these practices that he learned, 48 00:03:22,765 --> 00:03:26,725 Speaker 1: which were more like tantric practices from China, brought them 49 00:03:26,725 --> 00:03:30,685 Speaker 1: to Japan, founded Shingon, and then from there this kind 50 00:03:30,725 --> 00:03:35,085 Speaker 1: of spread into another religion called Chugend, and that is 51 00:03:35,445 --> 00:03:39,965 Speaker 1: the kind of religion that practice this now mute slash 52 00:03:39,965 --> 00:03:44,765 Speaker 1: illegal practice of mummifying yourself. Yo, you can't mummify yourself anymore. 53 00:03:45,045 --> 00:03:47,005 Speaker 1: I mean I guess you could if you really tried, 54 00:03:47,125 --> 00:03:49,645 Speaker 1: and I'm actually going to explain how too in this podcast. 55 00:03:49,765 --> 00:03:53,605 Speaker 1: But it is illegal. So I don't approve of it. 56 00:03:54,365 --> 00:03:55,965 Speaker 1: That's rough it as hell. What if you want to 57 00:03:56,005 --> 00:03:59,645 Speaker 1: go that way? Like, what if you also accidentally mummify yourself? 58 00:03:59,965 --> 00:04:03,325 Speaker 1: That happened? No, I hate when that happened. Sometimes it 59 00:04:03,565 --> 00:04:06,685 Speaker 1: accidental mummification is the thing that sounds fake too. But 60 00:04:06,725 --> 00:04:08,925 Speaker 1: I guess you'll probably tell us more about that later. 61 00:04:09,085 --> 00:04:12,005 Speaker 1: But Nik, I done with tantric practices. What does that mean? 62 00:04:12,045 --> 00:04:14,605 Speaker 1: Because all I know about tantric stuff is tantric sex 63 00:04:14,645 --> 00:04:16,605 Speaker 1: and how Staying has it with his wife and they 64 00:04:16,605 --> 00:04:19,125 Speaker 1: have sex for like ten hours. Wait, First of all, 65 00:04:19,245 --> 00:04:22,925 Speaker 1: I think everyone should get into tantric sex. Second of all, um, 66 00:04:23,125 --> 00:04:24,965 Speaker 1: it's how you know that Sting and his wife were 67 00:04:25,005 --> 00:04:28,645 Speaker 1: into that? Sorry completely, you know, I just followed Staying. 68 00:04:28,925 --> 00:04:31,245 Speaker 1: So I just it's a thing I read maybe one 69 00:04:31,285 --> 00:04:33,165 Speaker 1: time ten years ago. I don't know, but you know, 70 00:04:33,205 --> 00:04:35,925 Speaker 1: met me and Staying were pretty close. Sting's gonna be 71 00:04:35,965 --> 00:04:38,725 Speaker 1: like I heard the cadaver gals were talking about me 72 00:04:38,805 --> 00:04:43,045 Speaker 1: and my sexual behaviors with my wife. Amazing. Um. No, 73 00:04:44,365 --> 00:04:48,285 Speaker 1: tantric practices basically had to do with um like Buddhists 74 00:04:48,445 --> 00:04:53,125 Speaker 1: or Hindu doctrines, specifically things about like being very present 75 00:04:53,445 --> 00:04:57,725 Speaker 1: using your body, spirituality and focusing and like using those 76 00:04:57,725 --> 00:05:02,605 Speaker 1: practices in whatever religion they were practicing. So like for 77 00:05:02,765 --> 00:05:06,045 Speaker 1: our guy Kukai, he brought in tantric practices into a 78 00:05:06,125 --> 00:05:09,365 Speaker 1: new religion that he founded, which was Shinghan. Does that 79 00:05:09,405 --> 00:05:12,045 Speaker 1: explain your question, Gabby a little bit. Yeah, it's really 80 00:05:12,125 --> 00:05:16,485 Speaker 1: clear now I feel much more intelligent. Thing. Okay, um, 81 00:05:17,205 --> 00:05:19,685 Speaker 1: that's why tantric sex is a lot of like you 82 00:05:19,765 --> 00:05:25,285 Speaker 1: have to look into your lover's eyes. Remember last episode 83 00:05:25,565 --> 00:05:31,605 Speaker 1: that was we talked about how sexual eye contact is. Well, 84 00:05:31,605 --> 00:05:41,045 Speaker 1: whatever I bang, I firmly close my eyes. Okay so yes, 85 00:05:41,245 --> 00:05:43,445 Speaker 1: So a lot of the Japanese monks who practice this, 86 00:05:43,725 --> 00:05:46,365 Speaker 1: actually all of them are specifically tied to this religion 87 00:05:46,485 --> 00:05:51,325 Speaker 1: Shujen do as I said, which blends. It's very interesting 88 00:05:51,405 --> 00:05:54,365 Speaker 1: the way so many of these offshoots of Buddhism kind 89 00:05:54,365 --> 00:05:57,645 Speaker 1: of came to be, and shujend it's not just Buddhism, 90 00:05:57,725 --> 00:06:01,485 Speaker 1: it's like Japanese folklore asceticism, which is the practice of 91 00:06:01,645 --> 00:06:05,085 Speaker 1: self denial for spiritual purposes. And then this thing called 92 00:06:05,125 --> 00:06:08,645 Speaker 1: mountain in worship where they basically see mountains as holy 93 00:06:09,005 --> 00:06:13,125 Speaker 1: and so the like mountain reverence and taking care of 94 00:06:13,165 --> 00:06:17,405 Speaker 1: mountains and seeing them as like places where you can 95 00:06:17,405 --> 00:06:20,165 Speaker 1: connect to a higher power. It's really important to them. 96 00:06:20,245 --> 00:06:23,445 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Actually, mountains are high 97 00:06:23,525 --> 00:06:29,205 Speaker 1: up you think of like the sky being a heavenly 98 00:06:29,445 --> 00:06:33,285 Speaker 1: place where gods live. And then like in the South, 99 00:06:33,325 --> 00:06:35,325 Speaker 1: they say, shit, you know, like the higher the hair, 100 00:06:35,445 --> 00:06:37,565 Speaker 1: closer to God. So I bet it's a similar thing 101 00:06:37,605 --> 00:06:39,685 Speaker 1: with the higher the mountain, the closer to God hair 102 00:06:39,805 --> 00:06:44,085 Speaker 1: mountainly right, yes, people from the South and Japanese Buddhists 103 00:06:44,125 --> 00:06:48,325 Speaker 1: have so much in common. Yep. Anyway, so these people 104 00:06:48,365 --> 00:06:51,725 Speaker 1: practice that. It's only happened twenty four times. I mean, 105 00:06:51,765 --> 00:06:53,645 Speaker 1: there's been hundreds of people who have tried, but only 106 00:06:53,685 --> 00:06:57,605 Speaker 1: twenty four have actually been found successfully self mummified. And 107 00:06:57,645 --> 00:07:01,125 Speaker 1: the last successful death of this kind was by this 108 00:07:01,205 --> 00:07:04,805 Speaker 1: monk called Bukai who died in nineteen oh three at 109 00:07:04,845 --> 00:07:08,285 Speaker 1: seventy six years old. And the practice was made illegal 110 00:07:08,325 --> 00:07:11,045 Speaker 1: in Japan in eighteen seventy seven, so he actually did 111 00:07:11,085 --> 00:07:15,565 Speaker 1: this in secret. Ooh, and then in nineteen sixty one 112 00:07:15,645 --> 00:07:18,845 Speaker 1: he was exhumed and his remains are now in the 113 00:07:18,965 --> 00:07:21,965 Speaker 1: Kenzanji Temple in southwest Japan, so you can go see 114 00:07:22,045 --> 00:07:24,325 Speaker 1: him if you want. So they didn't care that much 115 00:07:24,365 --> 00:07:28,005 Speaker 1: that it was illegal. I mean this. The people who 116 00:07:28,045 --> 00:07:31,125 Speaker 1: exhumed him were people who specifically study mummies in Japan, 117 00:07:31,445 --> 00:07:34,165 Speaker 1: so I think they were allowed. So is he now 118 00:07:34,165 --> 00:07:37,165 Speaker 1: in like corpse prison? Yeah, like what I do, like, oh, 119 00:07:37,205 --> 00:07:39,045 Speaker 1: you can't do this, but then they're dead, so like, 120 00:07:39,125 --> 00:07:42,045 Speaker 1: how are they being punished? Well, he's not being punished. 121 00:07:42,045 --> 00:07:44,205 Speaker 1: He's actually being shown off in a temple that you 122 00:07:44,205 --> 00:07:47,045 Speaker 1: can go see exactly, So it doesn't really matter. Laws 123 00:07:47,125 --> 00:07:53,605 Speaker 1: mean nothing, Oh I could, laws mean nothing. No, but 124 00:07:53,725 --> 00:07:55,925 Speaker 1: I will say is that the usual practice? And I'll 125 00:07:55,925 --> 00:07:58,445 Speaker 1: talk about it more later. But they put you inside 126 00:07:58,485 --> 00:08:01,165 Speaker 1: of a chamber and then three years later they take 127 00:08:01,205 --> 00:08:04,045 Speaker 1: you out. And I guess the illegal part of this 128 00:08:04,845 --> 00:08:07,205 Speaker 1: is that they couldn't take him out until he was 129 00:08:07,245 --> 00:08:09,605 Speaker 1: exhumed in nineteen sixty one, so he stayed in that 130 00:08:09,685 --> 00:08:13,885 Speaker 1: chamber dead for around sixty ish years. So if you're 131 00:08:13,925 --> 00:08:18,405 Speaker 1: like a failed, if you fail mummifying yourself, but also 132 00:08:18,485 --> 00:08:20,805 Speaker 1: that sucks because you don't know if you're gonna do 133 00:08:20,845 --> 00:08:24,245 Speaker 1: it successfully, I guess yeah, it's pretty bananas. So if 134 00:08:24,325 --> 00:08:27,925 Speaker 1: you quote unquote fail, it's not like a Oh I 135 00:08:27,925 --> 00:08:30,885 Speaker 1: don't have honor, not at all you get buried. Normally, 136 00:08:31,045 --> 00:08:33,125 Speaker 1: you're taken out, they see they check your body to 137 00:08:33,125 --> 00:08:35,245 Speaker 1: see if you've failed or not, and if you've decomposed, 138 00:08:35,725 --> 00:08:37,565 Speaker 1: yes you have failed, but they're still going to bury 139 00:08:37,605 --> 00:08:40,245 Speaker 1: you with very high honors for trying. Very nice of them. 140 00:08:40,845 --> 00:08:44,605 Speaker 1: Oh so it's kind of like a participation trophy. Well, yes, 141 00:08:44,805 --> 00:08:48,605 Speaker 1: get I guess not very nice. So, Nika, do you 142 00:08:48,645 --> 00:08:51,965 Speaker 1: want to take us through that process of how they 143 00:08:52,045 --> 00:08:57,445 Speaker 1: actually self mummify? That seems I would love to It is, okay, 144 00:08:57,445 --> 00:09:01,805 Speaker 1: so yes, it is actually very hard. Japan is relatively humid. 145 00:09:02,445 --> 00:09:05,245 Speaker 1: It's not like super arid or freezing. The best mummies 146 00:09:05,285 --> 00:09:07,925 Speaker 1: in the world have been found in like extreme temperatures, 147 00:09:08,365 --> 00:09:11,565 Speaker 1: you know, in ice or in desserts, and so to 148 00:09:11,645 --> 00:09:15,565 Speaker 1: mumify yourself in a humid area is actually very very hard. 149 00:09:15,805 --> 00:09:18,045 Speaker 1: So in order for these Buddhist monks to mumify themselves, 150 00:09:18,085 --> 00:09:21,125 Speaker 1: they have to go through a rigorous training process. It 151 00:09:21,325 --> 00:09:23,365 Speaker 1: is like the most extreme diet of your life. So 152 00:09:23,445 --> 00:09:26,485 Speaker 1: it's three thousand days, which basically is nine to ten 153 00:09:26,605 --> 00:09:29,085 Speaker 1: years that they have to kind of train to do this, 154 00:09:29,525 --> 00:09:34,925 Speaker 1: and it starts off by essentially doing a diet of nuts, berries, 155 00:09:35,005 --> 00:09:38,605 Speaker 1: pine needles, tree bark, whatever they can find by foraging 156 00:09:38,605 --> 00:09:41,045 Speaker 1: in the forests where they live, because they usually live 157 00:09:41,045 --> 00:09:44,405 Speaker 1: in the mountains. Yes, is what is the only thing 158 00:09:44,445 --> 00:09:47,045 Speaker 1: they eat. And the diet is literally called the tree 159 00:09:47,045 --> 00:09:49,725 Speaker 1: eating diet. So that's kind of the way that you start. 160 00:09:49,845 --> 00:09:52,645 Speaker 1: You're purging your body. You're not in taking a lot 161 00:09:52,645 --> 00:09:55,325 Speaker 1: of fats. That's just kind of you're starving your body 162 00:09:55,405 --> 00:09:59,685 Speaker 1: of nutrients. And fat is a big component of what 163 00:09:59,965 --> 00:10:03,605 Speaker 1: causes bodily decay. And so once you stop eating things 164 00:10:03,605 --> 00:10:06,085 Speaker 1: that are high in fat, well a lot of fat 165 00:10:06,125 --> 00:10:08,885 Speaker 1: that will to kill your body. They probably don't lotion 166 00:10:08,925 --> 00:10:12,405 Speaker 1: anymore either. They do not motion, they don't. And then 167 00:10:12,485 --> 00:10:15,285 Speaker 1: they also so basically what they do in those three 168 00:10:15,325 --> 00:10:19,365 Speaker 1: thousand days is either forage for food or meditate. That 169 00:10:19,525 --> 00:10:23,325 Speaker 1: is literally it you said nine to ten years. Yeah, 170 00:10:23,565 --> 00:10:27,125 Speaker 1: it's like a full dedicated thing. I know, it's insane. 171 00:10:27,205 --> 00:10:29,645 Speaker 1: I feel like my elbows are dry enough to start 172 00:10:30,525 --> 00:10:35,165 Speaker 1: the mummification process, so I'm well on my way. That's terrible, Gabby, 173 00:10:35,325 --> 00:10:37,285 Speaker 1: I don't like dry skin. I'm gonna send you some 174 00:10:37,365 --> 00:10:43,485 Speaker 1: motion lotion. It just doesn't work anyway anyway. So they 175 00:10:43,525 --> 00:10:47,485 Speaker 1: go through thousand day cycles so after a few thousand 176 00:10:47,565 --> 00:10:50,725 Speaker 1: day cycles of this diet, the monk actually cuts off 177 00:10:50,765 --> 00:10:53,925 Speaker 1: all food and drink except for water. They continue to 178 00:10:53,965 --> 00:10:58,085 Speaker 1: meditate and this dehydrates the body. And then some people 179 00:10:58,565 --> 00:11:01,965 Speaker 1: during this time they drink this tea made of toxydendron 180 00:11:02,405 --> 00:11:05,165 Speaker 1: virculum tree bark, which is it is a tree bark 181 00:11:05,245 --> 00:11:09,685 Speaker 1: that creates sap that makes lacquer, and so obviously it 182 00:11:09,845 --> 00:11:13,085 Speaker 1: is very toxic. And what that does is it makes 183 00:11:13,125 --> 00:11:18,165 Speaker 1: them vomit and also makes bacteria inhospitable in their bodies. 184 00:11:18,365 --> 00:11:20,725 Speaker 1: So in many ways, it's kind of like embalming fluid. Now, 185 00:11:20,885 --> 00:11:23,445 Speaker 1: I just kind of want to explain that this was 186 00:11:23,725 --> 00:11:27,245 Speaker 1: invented in eight hundred and six. That's pretty incredible. The 187 00:11:27,285 --> 00:11:31,565 Speaker 1: people it's pretty starts. It's extremely advanced. It's amazing they 188 00:11:31,605 --> 00:11:34,245 Speaker 1: knew what they were doing for sure. Yeah, so this 189 00:11:34,405 --> 00:11:37,445 Speaker 1: tea obviously makes them kind of pour out all of 190 00:11:37,485 --> 00:11:42,325 Speaker 1: their internal things, and it discourages insects to live inside there, 191 00:11:42,685 --> 00:11:46,045 Speaker 1: and these the stomach shrinks, the organs, and that's just 192 00:11:46,045 --> 00:11:48,205 Speaker 1: what they do. They throw up and they drink this 193 00:11:48,285 --> 00:11:51,605 Speaker 1: tea and they only have water and they continue to meditate, 194 00:11:51,765 --> 00:11:54,885 Speaker 1: so they're getting ready their bodies are starting to they're 195 00:11:54,925 --> 00:11:58,565 Speaker 1: starting to prepare to die. They continue meditating, and once 196 00:11:58,565 --> 00:12:01,125 Speaker 1: they feel death approaching, which I'm guessing if you've meditated 197 00:12:01,165 --> 00:12:03,165 Speaker 1: for so long at that point, you must be so 198 00:12:03,285 --> 00:12:05,045 Speaker 1: very in tune with your body. You have to know 199 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:08,725 Speaker 1: that you're about to die. So they feel death approaching, 200 00:12:08,765 --> 00:12:12,045 Speaker 1: they enter a tomb where they sit in the lotus position, 201 00:12:12,085 --> 00:12:15,725 Speaker 1: which is basically legs crossed in front of the other 202 00:12:16,005 --> 00:12:19,445 Speaker 1: and meditate there and then they breathe through a bamboo 203 00:12:19,565 --> 00:12:22,245 Speaker 1: rod and they have a little bell outside of the 204 00:12:22,285 --> 00:12:25,765 Speaker 1: tomb that they ring once a day until death. Now, 205 00:12:25,925 --> 00:12:29,605 Speaker 1: once the bell stops ringing, they are the tomb is sealed, 206 00:12:29,965 --> 00:12:34,045 Speaker 1: and then the tomb is opened in three years. And so, 207 00:12:34,285 --> 00:12:37,685 Speaker 1: like I said, Gabby, if they are successful after the 208 00:12:37,685 --> 00:12:42,205 Speaker 1: three years, their bodies are hailed as holy. And if 209 00:12:42,245 --> 00:12:45,645 Speaker 1: they're not successful, they get buried, so they don't get 210 00:12:45,645 --> 00:12:49,165 Speaker 1: hailed as holy, that's sad. They just get a proper burial. 211 00:12:49,645 --> 00:12:54,125 Speaker 1: So it's I just find it fascinating. And there's specific 212 00:12:54,165 --> 00:12:57,565 Speaker 1: areas in Japan where monks are were the best at this. 213 00:12:57,805 --> 00:13:02,085 Speaker 1: One area is Yamagatta, and basically they were really really 214 00:13:02,085 --> 00:13:04,245 Speaker 1: good at this, and they all thought that the holy 215 00:13:04,325 --> 00:13:08,165 Speaker 1: springs that they drink water from were kind of holy 216 00:13:08,925 --> 00:13:11,965 Speaker 1: for a better word. But it turns out they actually 217 00:13:12,005 --> 00:13:14,445 Speaker 1: just had very high levels of arsenic and that's where 218 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:16,805 Speaker 1: they were so good at getting ready to die and 219 00:13:16,845 --> 00:13:20,685 Speaker 1: then preserving themselves and their bodies. Oh that was a turn, 220 00:13:21,325 --> 00:13:26,405 Speaker 1: I know, but it's amazing and you can literally you 221 00:13:26,405 --> 00:13:29,005 Speaker 1: can look pictures up of these people. I mean, these 222 00:13:29,365 --> 00:13:33,565 Speaker 1: monks are hundreds of years old and their bodies are 223 00:13:33,685 --> 00:13:36,725 Speaker 1: almost perfectly preserved. It's incredible. I mean they still have 224 00:13:36,805 --> 00:13:39,165 Speaker 1: hair on their heads like it's insane. And you can 225 00:13:39,165 --> 00:13:41,725 Speaker 1: actually go visit many of them in Japan, which I 226 00:13:41,805 --> 00:13:46,445 Speaker 1: find incredible, and like I said, they are worshiped. Basically, 227 00:13:47,005 --> 00:13:50,365 Speaker 1: it was super popular in the twelfth to the twentieth 228 00:13:50,365 --> 00:13:56,885 Speaker 1: century and essentially Buddhists felt like Socusian Budsu gets them 229 00:13:56,885 --> 00:14:00,045 Speaker 1: into two set to heaven, which is this heavenly realm 230 00:14:00,085 --> 00:14:05,405 Speaker 1: in Buddhism where future Buddhas reside before they are reincarnated. 231 00:14:05,685 --> 00:14:09,085 Speaker 1: And so these monks believe that if they are successful 232 00:14:09,125 --> 00:14:12,085 Speaker 1: in preserving their bodies, then they'll be there for one 233 00:14:12,125 --> 00:14:15,685 Speaker 1: point six million years. But because their bodies are still 234 00:14:15,685 --> 00:14:17,645 Speaker 1: on Earth, they can still go to earth and help 235 00:14:17,685 --> 00:14:22,245 Speaker 1: people until I think Buddha comes back or something or 236 00:14:22,285 --> 00:14:25,525 Speaker 1: something like that, and then everything is okay. So it's 237 00:14:25,725 --> 00:14:29,805 Speaker 1: very like thing is fine, everything is okay because they're back, 238 00:14:29,965 --> 00:14:40,885 Speaker 1: Buddha is around. It's it's all like very self sacrificial, 239 00:14:41,205 --> 00:14:44,045 Speaker 1: like that's their you know, big thing and there I mean, 240 00:14:44,085 --> 00:14:46,445 Speaker 1: as I said, asceticism is a big thing for them, 241 00:14:46,525 --> 00:14:49,525 Speaker 1: and they see that as like that's the ultimate sacrifice. 242 00:14:49,565 --> 00:14:54,845 Speaker 1: It's preserving your body and slowly dying, but staying on 243 00:14:54,845 --> 00:14:57,725 Speaker 1: earth so you can help people while also being in 244 00:14:57,725 --> 00:15:01,805 Speaker 1: the next realm. Wow, thank you, Nika. That is intense. 245 00:15:02,565 --> 00:15:05,565 Speaker 1: All right, you're welcome. We will be right back, and 246 00:15:05,685 --> 00:15:09,165 Speaker 1: I will we'll talk a little bit more about how 247 00:15:09,245 --> 00:15:13,925 Speaker 1: what your body does when it mummifies. Welcome back all 248 00:15:14,005 --> 00:15:17,805 Speaker 1: you could dab or pals. We are going to talk 249 00:15:17,805 --> 00:15:20,285 Speaker 1: a little bit about what your body, what is actually 250 00:15:20,325 --> 00:15:23,725 Speaker 1: happening in your body when you're being mummified. Since I'm 251 00:15:23,765 --> 00:15:27,045 Speaker 1: sure you're all wondering that, I know, I am, yeah, 252 00:15:27,125 --> 00:15:32,165 Speaker 1: just in case it happens to you exactly. So, typically 253 00:15:32,405 --> 00:15:36,045 Speaker 1: when you think about mummies and mummification, you instantly think 254 00:15:36,085 --> 00:15:39,365 Speaker 1: of the Egyptians, but They're not the only culture to 255 00:15:40,565 --> 00:15:45,125 Speaker 1: have taken on this practice. The Incas, Aztecs, the Australian Aboriginals, 256 00:15:45,525 --> 00:15:49,085 Speaker 1: African and even ancient Europeans have had their own versions 257 00:15:49,125 --> 00:15:53,845 Speaker 1: of mummification. I'm hoping mummification is really interesting. I'm hoping 258 00:15:53,885 --> 00:15:56,485 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different kinds. So I'm really excited 259 00:15:56,645 --> 00:16:01,085 Speaker 1: to do more mumification episodes. I mean, yes, please tell 260 00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:03,325 Speaker 1: us if you like mumification episodes, because I am all 261 00:16:03,405 --> 00:16:06,205 Speaker 1: about it. Just thinking about wrapping people up in things 262 00:16:06,325 --> 00:16:07,845 Speaker 1: gets me excited. They all have kind of like a 263 00:16:07,885 --> 00:16:10,205 Speaker 1: different method, and I just find it really interesting. So 264 00:16:10,205 --> 00:16:14,725 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and just stick with these these Buddhists. 265 00:16:14,805 --> 00:16:18,525 Speaker 1: Mummies are like forbidden gifts, you know it Just who's 266 00:16:18,565 --> 00:16:22,045 Speaker 1: going to open them? That's the question anyway. So, but 267 00:16:22,165 --> 00:16:25,245 Speaker 1: mammafying is is kind of the opposite of what we 268 00:16:25,565 --> 00:16:30,445 Speaker 1: as Americans think about embalming, but it's still the same idea, 269 00:16:30,485 --> 00:16:32,965 Speaker 1: which is like preserving your body or keeping your body 270 00:16:33,045 --> 00:16:35,525 Speaker 1: on earth, which the more I think about it, the 271 00:16:35,565 --> 00:16:40,205 Speaker 1: more disturbing that actually is that we're just like I'm dead, 272 00:16:40,325 --> 00:16:43,085 Speaker 1: I'm gone forever, but I'm just gonna keep my body here. Though, 273 00:16:43,125 --> 00:16:46,325 Speaker 1: just in case, just it just yeah, I'm now disturbed 274 00:16:46,365 --> 00:16:48,325 Speaker 1: by it. When I die, you guys can just throw 275 00:16:48,405 --> 00:16:52,605 Speaker 1: my body in a dumpster, don't even try it. I'll 276 00:16:52,645 --> 00:16:55,365 Speaker 1: be respectful whatever we decide to do. But I also 277 00:16:55,445 --> 00:16:59,045 Speaker 1: think that you should have an opinion ahead of time. Well, yeah, 278 00:16:59,125 --> 00:17:01,765 Speaker 1: I have a nice dumpster in mind. I'll send you 279 00:17:01,805 --> 00:17:06,325 Speaker 1: the GPS coordinates later. Anyway, great, But uma dation is 280 00:17:06,725 --> 00:17:11,485 Speaker 1: kind of like making jerky, like beef jerky, right, think 281 00:17:11,485 --> 00:17:15,125 Speaker 1: about it. I'm just freaking out of the fact that 282 00:17:15,165 --> 00:17:19,205 Speaker 1: you just said mummifying someone is like making jerky. It's 283 00:17:19,245 --> 00:17:23,085 Speaker 1: the same process. So so anyways, so these monks are 284 00:17:23,125 --> 00:17:26,125 Speaker 1: literally trying to do this naturally. But whereas you know 285 00:17:26,125 --> 00:17:29,165 Speaker 1: when obviously when you're making jerky, you're forcing you're forcing 286 00:17:29,205 --> 00:17:33,165 Speaker 1: the meat and to this particular environment which dehydrates and 287 00:17:33,285 --> 00:17:37,205 Speaker 1: there's the removal of fat. I'm serious, y'all. It's just 288 00:17:37,325 --> 00:17:40,005 Speaker 1: such a I mean, Nica was already talking about how 289 00:17:40,005 --> 00:17:43,205 Speaker 1: disrespectful we were being. But I do think the jerky 290 00:17:43,245 --> 00:17:47,085 Speaker 1: comparison might be the kreme della krem of like disrespecting 291 00:17:47,085 --> 00:17:50,565 Speaker 1: this mummification process. I'm just trying to say, it's the 292 00:17:50,605 --> 00:17:53,845 Speaker 1: same process. But okay, I love it. I just think 293 00:17:53,845 --> 00:17:57,685 Speaker 1: it's hilarious what you're saying. I look, I was looking 294 00:17:57,845 --> 00:18:02,285 Speaker 1: up both ways, like both processes, and they're essentially the 295 00:18:02,365 --> 00:18:06,365 Speaker 1: same thing. So you need ideal conditions right in the 296 00:18:06,405 --> 00:18:10,245 Speaker 1: body virtually needs cannot have any fat because fat insulates 297 00:18:10,285 --> 00:18:14,325 Speaker 1: and tries to regulate your body temperature. And fat is 298 00:18:14,365 --> 00:18:18,405 Speaker 1: also like oily and that oil holds in moisture and 299 00:18:18,445 --> 00:18:21,245 Speaker 1: then you know, if there's moisture, then you're not drying 300 00:18:21,245 --> 00:18:26,405 Speaker 1: out properly. So fat obviously will result in more difficult 301 00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:31,045 Speaker 1: dehydration process. So that's why they are trying to eliminate 302 00:18:31,045 --> 00:18:33,045 Speaker 1: all fat. That's why they were on that very specific 303 00:18:33,085 --> 00:18:38,685 Speaker 1: diet that Nika was talking about. And secondly, bacteria, which 304 00:18:38,805 --> 00:18:42,045 Speaker 1: Nika also mentioned this, the bacteria is what breaks down 305 00:18:42,085 --> 00:18:47,245 Speaker 1: and decomposes a body, and bacteria cannot survive extreme heat 306 00:18:47,405 --> 00:18:51,045 Speaker 1: or extreme cold. So that's why, for example, that's why 307 00:18:51,085 --> 00:18:54,525 Speaker 1: morgues are cold. That's why in like Egypt, for example, 308 00:18:54,565 --> 00:18:58,565 Speaker 1: it's really hot, so it's easy it's an easier process there. 309 00:18:59,205 --> 00:19:01,965 Speaker 1: But since Japan is not necessarily hot enough or cold enough, 310 00:19:02,485 --> 00:19:06,285 Speaker 1: that poisonous sap that they drink actually kills the bacteria 311 00:19:06,485 --> 00:19:09,965 Speaker 1: so all. So all of these things have to be 312 00:19:10,045 --> 00:19:14,685 Speaker 1: perfect in order for successful mummification to actually happen, which 313 00:19:15,325 --> 00:19:18,845 Speaker 1: all of those have to be absolutely pristine, which is 314 00:19:18,885 --> 00:19:21,685 Speaker 1: why it hasn't been so successful. So there you have it. 315 00:19:21,845 --> 00:19:26,845 Speaker 1: I have disrespected monks and how they mummify themselves, but 316 00:19:27,045 --> 00:19:30,325 Speaker 1: they don't really do that anymore, so I think it's okay. Yeah, 317 00:19:30,365 --> 00:19:33,245 Speaker 1: I think it'll be okay. Also, they've probably attained higher 318 00:19:33,325 --> 00:19:36,485 Speaker 1: levels of consciousness than we'll ever have, so they probably 319 00:19:36,485 --> 00:19:39,725 Speaker 1: wouldn't be too insulted by us saying this because they 320 00:19:39,725 --> 00:19:43,165 Speaker 1: are superior beings. You know, in general, they are superior beings, 321 00:19:43,205 --> 00:19:46,325 Speaker 1: and I can guarantee you they're not listening to us 322 00:19:46,445 --> 00:19:49,325 Speaker 1: right now. So, well, you don't know, maybe each of 323 00:19:49,445 --> 00:19:52,725 Speaker 1: us have like a monk assigned to us. Maybe like 324 00:19:52,845 --> 00:19:55,445 Speaker 1: twenty four of the monks are still here on Earth 325 00:19:55,525 --> 00:19:59,165 Speaker 1: helping earth people. You know, why would he choose us? 326 00:19:59,165 --> 00:20:02,845 Speaker 1: I don't know, fair enough, you never know, so always 327 00:20:02,845 --> 00:20:07,645 Speaker 1: be respectful. Well, how everyone's relationship to Jerky? Now, you know, 328 00:20:07,845 --> 00:20:10,525 Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of it to begin with. Yeah, 329 00:20:10,605 --> 00:20:13,165 Speaker 1: I liked Jerky a lot, sadly, and one time I 330 00:20:13,205 --> 00:20:15,765 Speaker 1: was on an airplane, just like eat an a whole 331 00:20:15,805 --> 00:20:17,125 Speaker 1: bag of it. And I was sitting next to like 332 00:20:17,125 --> 00:20:18,925 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old and then she was just like 333 00:20:19,005 --> 00:20:21,085 Speaker 1: stank facing me the whole time, and I was like, yeah, 334 00:20:21,125 --> 00:20:24,965 Speaker 1: I'm disgusting. Whatever, mean, that's so rude, because I mean, 335 00:20:25,045 --> 00:20:29,045 Speaker 1: jerky is like a very specific weird food. Don't just 336 00:20:29,125 --> 00:20:33,045 Speaker 1: like like strips of meat in a bag. It's pretty weird. 337 00:20:33,245 --> 00:20:36,725 Speaker 1: It's very weird. I dated a guy once who really 338 00:20:36,765 --> 00:20:39,765 Speaker 1: liked beef jerky and would always like on road trips 339 00:20:39,845 --> 00:20:42,285 Speaker 1: try and like he'd always buy it at the gas 340 00:20:42,325 --> 00:20:45,165 Speaker 1: stations or whatever. And I'm just like, no, you cannot. 341 00:20:45,245 --> 00:20:47,045 Speaker 1: That was a role. You cannot have beef jerkey in 342 00:20:47,125 --> 00:20:52,405 Speaker 1: my car. Wow, Taylor, laying down the law. That's why 343 00:20:52,445 --> 00:20:56,245 Speaker 1: I'm still single. I don't think you're still single because 344 00:20:56,365 --> 00:20:58,685 Speaker 1: people can't eat jerkey in your car. There has to 345 00:20:58,765 --> 00:21:02,285 Speaker 1: be some reason, right, I mean I think that is 346 00:21:02,325 --> 00:21:05,725 Speaker 1: the reason, actually, Taylor. So maybe you should reconsider or 347 00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:08,525 Speaker 1: that hard boundary you have with the jerky in the car. 348 00:21:08,845 --> 00:21:12,245 Speaker 1: Considerate how your life could have been different. Someone send 349 00:21:12,285 --> 00:21:19,325 Speaker 1: Taylor a box of jerky, please don't. All right now, 350 00:21:19,525 --> 00:21:22,205 Speaker 1: let's just go ahead and wrap that one up but 351 00:21:22,365 --> 00:21:29,125 Speaker 1: a cheing ohn because of mummification, even though that's not 352 00:21:29,205 --> 00:21:34,125 Speaker 1: the process that these months used, but it's it's relevant, Gabby, 353 00:21:34,205 --> 00:21:38,085 Speaker 1: I would love to hear about mister Tennessee Williams and 354 00:21:38,245 --> 00:21:41,925 Speaker 1: what happened to this poor fella. This poor fella. I 355 00:21:42,005 --> 00:21:44,685 Speaker 1: think that's a good way to describe Tennessee Williams, because 356 00:21:45,405 --> 00:21:48,445 Speaker 1: this story is going to teach us an important lesson 357 00:21:48,725 --> 00:21:53,765 Speaker 1: that life be terrible sometimes even if you're successful. So 358 00:21:54,165 --> 00:21:56,805 Speaker 1: that is we didn't already know that. Okay, great, yeah, 359 00:21:56,845 --> 00:21:59,405 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Taylor, speak for yourself. Let's let's 360 00:21:59,445 --> 00:22:04,525 Speaker 1: refocus here. So today we're talking about the iconic, legendary 361 00:22:04,565 --> 00:22:08,525 Speaker 1: American play right, Tennessee Williams, who we all know from 362 00:22:08,685 --> 00:22:11,805 Speaker 1: works like cat on a Hot Tin roof a street 363 00:22:11,845 --> 00:22:15,925 Speaker 1: car named Desire Still and then you know his first 364 00:22:15,965 --> 00:22:18,965 Speaker 1: big hit, The Glass Menagerie, which you probably had to 365 00:22:19,005 --> 00:22:20,365 Speaker 1: read in high school. And also, if you don't know 366 00:22:20,365 --> 00:22:24,085 Speaker 1: who Tennessee Williams is, um, I can't help you there. 367 00:22:24,245 --> 00:22:27,125 Speaker 1: Read a book, you know. Wow, Okay, I feel really 368 00:22:27,165 --> 00:22:29,525 Speaker 1: attacked because I actually don't know who he was a 369 00:22:29,565 --> 00:22:32,605 Speaker 1: while ago, and I thought he was a liquor brand 370 00:22:32,685 --> 00:22:36,405 Speaker 1: like a bourbon. Oh yeah, I mean that makes sense. Yeah, 371 00:22:36,445 --> 00:22:37,885 Speaker 1: I mean by the end of his life, he did 372 00:22:37,925 --> 00:22:41,085 Speaker 1: have a very intense drink drinking problem. So you know, 373 00:22:41,285 --> 00:22:43,565 Speaker 1: so I was right cool, Yeah, so you're you're correct. 374 00:22:43,605 --> 00:22:45,805 Speaker 1: He is a playwright and a whiskey brand that we 375 00:22:45,845 --> 00:22:52,405 Speaker 1: will be starting next year. So yeah, vibrators, whiskey, we 376 00:22:52,525 --> 00:22:58,085 Speaker 1: have everything. Um. So we'll get to his death in 377 00:22:58,125 --> 00:22:59,685 Speaker 1: a little bit, because it was a little it was 378 00:22:59,725 --> 00:23:02,125 Speaker 1: a little confusing, but I do just want to talk 379 00:23:02,165 --> 00:23:05,245 Speaker 1: about how he was pretty miserable his whole life, which 380 00:23:05,245 --> 00:23:07,165 Speaker 1: I'm like, I heard relate to this. He had like 381 00:23:07,165 --> 00:23:09,765 Speaker 1: a sad life, lots of bad things happened. And then 382 00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:12,005 Speaker 1: also he kind of had a piss poor attitude, which 383 00:23:12,085 --> 00:23:14,125 Speaker 1: I have a piss poor attitude most of the time. 384 00:23:14,165 --> 00:23:18,005 Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh my god, am I tennessee Williams 385 00:23:18,045 --> 00:23:21,725 Speaker 1: today too? Oh yeah, you guys could have dated. Yeah, 386 00:23:21,765 --> 00:23:23,645 Speaker 1: well he was a little gay, so it might have 387 00:23:23,685 --> 00:23:26,685 Speaker 1: been not exactly. You can date people who are a 388 00:23:26,725 --> 00:23:33,925 Speaker 1: little gay. Well, he was like gay. That's different. I mean, 389 00:23:34,005 --> 00:23:36,005 Speaker 1: like I'm a little gay. I'm like a half gay, 390 00:23:36,085 --> 00:23:38,405 Speaker 1: but I don't think my half gay would then suit 391 00:23:38,485 --> 00:23:42,365 Speaker 1: his like probably ninety eight percent. I was gonna I 392 00:23:42,565 --> 00:23:44,285 Speaker 1: was gonna say, like, Gabby, half of the people I 393 00:23:44,405 --> 00:23:50,285 Speaker 1: dated are half kay. So let's see. So he was 394 00:23:50,365 --> 00:23:54,205 Speaker 1: born in Mississippi in nineteen eleven, and then when he 395 00:23:54,245 --> 00:23:56,165 Speaker 1: was a young kid, he moved to Saint Louis with 396 00:23:56,205 --> 00:23:58,965 Speaker 1: his family, and his family seemed like super dysfunctional, Like 397 00:23:59,045 --> 00:24:04,565 Speaker 1: his dad was this rageful, volatile salesman, and then his 398 00:24:04,725 --> 00:24:08,165 Speaker 1: mom was just like really overbearing, and they all just 399 00:24:08,165 --> 00:24:11,165 Speaker 1: seemed really sad. And he had an older sister, an 400 00:24:11,165 --> 00:24:13,565 Speaker 1: older brother, and at one point the sister got a 401 00:24:13,605 --> 00:24:17,645 Speaker 1: lobotomy and so and then she spent like most of 402 00:24:17,645 --> 00:24:22,125 Speaker 1: her life in a psychiatric institution. And it's just like 403 00:24:22,365 --> 00:24:24,645 Speaker 1: in Tennessee, was like he was close to his sister. 404 00:24:24,765 --> 00:24:27,085 Speaker 1: So I think that was a big hardship, was obviously, 405 00:24:27,125 --> 00:24:29,205 Speaker 1: like you know, spending time with your sister and saying, 406 00:24:29,485 --> 00:24:31,405 Speaker 1: because lobotomies are fucked up as hell, and they did 407 00:24:31,445 --> 00:24:35,285 Speaker 1: so many of them, you know. Yeah, And it's crazy 408 00:24:35,285 --> 00:24:37,925 Speaker 1: because like at the time, the guy who invented lobotomies 409 00:24:38,005 --> 00:24:41,965 Speaker 1: actually got the Nobel Prize in Science because of it, 410 00:24:42,285 --> 00:24:44,605 Speaker 1: Like people actually thought this was something that was fixing, 411 00:24:45,005 --> 00:24:49,125 Speaker 1: fixing people. But Tennessee. He started writing when he was 412 00:24:49,125 --> 00:24:53,605 Speaker 1: a teen, and he didn't reach very much success early 413 00:24:53,645 --> 00:24:55,565 Speaker 1: in his life, and he, I don't know, it was 414 00:24:55,605 --> 00:24:58,445 Speaker 1: interesting he was talking about he just like hated all 415 00:24:58,485 --> 00:25:00,405 Speaker 1: of his day jobs, which I'm like, as an artist, 416 00:25:00,485 --> 00:25:02,445 Speaker 1: I totally relate to this because like one time his 417 00:25:02,605 --> 00:25:06,605 Speaker 1: dad was made him work in this shoe factory and 418 00:25:06,765 --> 00:25:11,005 Speaker 1: Tennessee described that experience as a living death. So you 419 00:25:11,045 --> 00:25:15,125 Speaker 1: know what jobs work? I get that on a pillow. Listen. 420 00:25:15,405 --> 00:25:19,365 Speaker 1: I have worked in hospitality before, and that is probably 421 00:25:19,365 --> 00:25:25,245 Speaker 1: accurate retail too. No, Van, he wrote prolifically. He had 422 00:25:25,365 --> 00:25:28,925 Speaker 1: various writing jobs. He worked in Hollywood temporarily but didn't 423 00:25:28,925 --> 00:25:31,605 Speaker 1: really it was just kind of like making shitty scripts. 424 00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:33,925 Speaker 1: But then he finally hit it big in nineteen forty 425 00:25:33,965 --> 00:25:36,685 Speaker 1: four with a Glass Menagerie when he was thirty three, 426 00:25:36,805 --> 00:25:39,685 Speaker 1: and then his whole life changed. And this is where 427 00:25:39,725 --> 00:25:41,805 Speaker 1: sort of the theme comes in, because I think we 428 00:25:41,805 --> 00:25:44,765 Speaker 1: can also see with the recent Britney Spears documentary, like 429 00:25:44,885 --> 00:25:50,165 Speaker 1: success doesn't mean happiness or you know, being content or 430 00:25:50,205 --> 00:25:53,325 Speaker 1: anything like that. It can be kind of shitty. And Tennessee, 431 00:25:53,365 --> 00:25:56,045 Speaker 1: he wrote this essay that was called The Catastrophe of success, 432 00:25:56,605 --> 00:25:59,805 Speaker 1: because after he became successful, he just felt really complacent 433 00:25:59,885 --> 00:26:02,765 Speaker 1: and that he just didn't have the hunger that could 434 00:26:02,805 --> 00:26:04,925 Speaker 1: drive him as an artist to write things. And he 435 00:26:05,005 --> 00:26:07,965 Speaker 1: just was because he was like living in hotels and stuff, 436 00:26:08,005 --> 00:26:10,005 Speaker 1: and he was like, there is this one hotel room 437 00:26:10,045 --> 00:26:11,725 Speaker 1: he was in with that that had this sofa, and 438 00:26:11,765 --> 00:26:14,765 Speaker 1: he's like, I keep thinking that tomorrow I will look 439 00:26:14,765 --> 00:26:17,245 Speaker 1: at the green satin sofa and I will fall in 440 00:26:17,285 --> 00:26:19,165 Speaker 1: love with it. But last I don't think he ever 441 00:26:19,205 --> 00:26:22,685 Speaker 1: fell in love with that metaphorical green satin sofa. You know, 442 00:26:23,005 --> 00:26:26,165 Speaker 1: that's really tragic and sud I know. I'm sure Britney 443 00:26:26,205 --> 00:26:28,325 Speaker 1: felt the same way. Yeah, Britney felt the same way. 444 00:26:28,485 --> 00:26:32,605 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I just think it's interesting seeing 445 00:26:32,645 --> 00:26:35,165 Speaker 1: how really the markers of our life that we can 446 00:26:35,165 --> 00:26:38,085 Speaker 1: consider success, or the barometers we have a place for 447 00:26:38,205 --> 00:26:42,285 Speaker 1: success literally mean nothing about how you feel. So I 448 00:26:42,325 --> 00:26:46,685 Speaker 1: think he's a good example of that. Yes, So I've 449 00:26:46,725 --> 00:26:49,085 Speaker 1: also decided I don't want to be successful anymore. So 450 00:26:49,165 --> 00:26:54,245 Speaker 1: everyone stop banging down my door because I'm not ready 451 00:26:54,325 --> 00:26:56,365 Speaker 1: and I don't want it. Okay, I'm just gonna live 452 00:26:56,485 --> 00:27:00,165 Speaker 1: my little hermit life and that's all I want. That's 453 00:27:00,205 --> 00:27:05,165 Speaker 1: so Heraclitus of you. I know, for listeners who don't 454 00:27:05,205 --> 00:27:07,525 Speaker 1: know Riklidis was a hermit. We did his death a 455 00:27:07,525 --> 00:27:09,765 Speaker 1: couple of episodes back. But I do feel like Harri 456 00:27:09,885 --> 00:27:12,525 Speaker 1: Clidis and Tennessee Williams do have some things in common, 457 00:27:12,565 --> 00:27:15,365 Speaker 1: because like Harri Clidis be like, you know what, our 458 00:27:15,405 --> 00:27:18,205 Speaker 1: lives are defined by war and then if you're like 459 00:27:18,285 --> 00:27:21,205 Speaker 1: not warring, then you don't feel good. And that was 460 00:27:21,245 --> 00:27:23,885 Speaker 1: at Tennessee. He was like, my life so easy. Now 461 00:27:23,925 --> 00:27:30,645 Speaker 1: I hate a ought, you know, I feel so After 462 00:27:30,685 --> 00:27:34,045 Speaker 1: that Glass Mornager, he wrote several other hits, some of 463 00:27:34,085 --> 00:27:38,085 Speaker 1: the big hits, and then basically after a Cat on 464 00:27:38,085 --> 00:27:40,845 Speaker 1: a Hot Tin roof came out, no more of his 465 00:27:41,005 --> 00:27:44,005 Speaker 1: plays were box office successes, Like a lot of them 466 00:27:44,045 --> 00:27:47,165 Speaker 1: closed after a couple of weeks, which that fucking sucks too, 467 00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:49,565 Speaker 1: where you're like, I have made like he obviously at 468 00:27:49,565 --> 00:27:51,165 Speaker 1: the time he didn't know he would be like the 469 00:27:51,205 --> 00:27:54,805 Speaker 1: most notable American playwright, but like he had all these 470 00:27:54,885 --> 00:27:58,445 Speaker 1: huge successes and then he just like he peeked and 471 00:27:58,485 --> 00:28:02,365 Speaker 1: then it just kind of went away. Scary. I you know, 472 00:28:02,485 --> 00:28:05,485 Speaker 1: I worry I peaked a few years ago. Kyler. That's 473 00:28:05,565 --> 00:28:09,405 Speaker 1: literally not true. You piqued and then you started denying 474 00:28:09,485 --> 00:28:13,245 Speaker 1: people jerky in your car, so you actually, yeah, I 475 00:28:13,285 --> 00:28:16,285 Speaker 1: think that's when your karma shifted. That's when the Buddhist 476 00:28:16,325 --> 00:28:22,125 Speaker 1: monk stopped following you. Exactly understood. But yeah, so Tennessee, 477 00:28:22,205 --> 00:28:24,725 Speaker 1: he his play stop being as successful, and that was 478 00:28:24,765 --> 00:28:28,765 Speaker 1: in part due to the additional sadness of losing one 479 00:28:28,765 --> 00:28:33,285 Speaker 1: of his He lost his long time partner to cancer, 480 00:28:34,045 --> 00:28:36,125 Speaker 1: and so that was tragic. And then also, you know, 481 00:28:36,165 --> 00:28:39,405 Speaker 1: his sister had been lobotomized, so he was that's a 482 00:28:39,445 --> 00:28:42,565 Speaker 1: difficult relationship. Got some stuff going on, for sure. Yeah, 483 00:28:42,645 --> 00:28:46,245 Speaker 1: and then basically to deal with the fact that he 484 00:28:46,285 --> 00:28:49,205 Speaker 1: couldn't write, he started depending more on this like hot 485 00:28:49,245 --> 00:28:54,765 Speaker 1: cocktail like coffee, cigarettes, drugs, and alcohol. But obviously it 486 00:28:54,805 --> 00:28:59,085 Speaker 1: did not work very well. So let us get to 487 00:28:59,125 --> 00:29:02,005 Speaker 1: the part that we're all here for how he died. 488 00:29:02,565 --> 00:29:07,525 Speaker 1: So it is February twenty fifth, nineteen eighty three. He's 489 00:29:07,565 --> 00:29:10,285 Speaker 1: seventy one years old, and so at this point he 490 00:29:10,685 --> 00:29:14,205 Speaker 1: splits his time between Key West and New York City, 491 00:29:14,245 --> 00:29:16,405 Speaker 1: and he's staying at this hotel called the Hotel Elise, 492 00:29:17,205 --> 00:29:19,605 Speaker 1: and his assistant has taken a room next to him 493 00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:23,405 Speaker 1: and at around you know, the night before, around like 494 00:29:23,405 --> 00:29:25,965 Speaker 1: eleven thirty, his assistant said he heard like a thud. 495 00:29:26,365 --> 00:29:29,245 Speaker 1: Didn't think anything of it. But the next day, at 496 00:29:29,245 --> 00:29:32,325 Speaker 1: ten forty five am, the assistant walks into tennessee William's 497 00:29:32,365 --> 00:29:37,645 Speaker 1: room and he is found dead. Oh no. What's interesting 498 00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:40,685 Speaker 1: about his death is that then initially it was reported 499 00:29:40,685 --> 00:29:42,685 Speaker 1: in the New York Times that he died of natural 500 00:29:42,685 --> 00:29:45,725 Speaker 1: causes because they didn't know what it was. And then 501 00:29:45,805 --> 00:29:50,605 Speaker 1: they said a few days later that Tennessee had died 502 00:29:51,365 --> 00:29:55,405 Speaker 1: by aphixiation because he had choked on a bottle cap, 503 00:29:55,845 --> 00:29:59,005 Speaker 1: which that doesn't really make any sense. Kind of bottle cap, Well, 504 00:29:59,045 --> 00:30:00,645 Speaker 1: it was just like a bottle But then that was 505 00:30:00,685 --> 00:30:02,325 Speaker 1: the thing. They were five, there was it a bottle 506 00:30:02,365 --> 00:30:05,205 Speaker 1: cap or was it like a nasal spray cap, because 507 00:30:05,205 --> 00:30:07,325 Speaker 1: they're like, well, maybe, you know, you pull it off 508 00:30:07,325 --> 00:30:09,525 Speaker 1: with your teeth or whatever, and then he swallowed in whatever. 509 00:30:09,605 --> 00:30:11,485 Speaker 1: But then they're like, that doesn't make any sense because 510 00:30:11,605 --> 00:30:15,845 Speaker 1: usually a nasal cap isn't big enough to like actually 511 00:30:15,845 --> 00:30:19,685 Speaker 1: block your air waves. But then a few months later 512 00:30:19,725 --> 00:30:23,245 Speaker 1: the autopsy report was amended to say that he was 513 00:30:23,325 --> 00:30:26,885 Speaker 1: actually he actually died because he had a high toxin 514 00:30:27,045 --> 00:30:31,965 Speaker 1: level of alcohol and a secondal which is a barbiturate. Basically, 515 00:30:32,005 --> 00:30:36,925 Speaker 1: they think he overdosed from taking well, his tolerance to 516 00:30:36,965 --> 00:30:38,805 Speaker 1: it had decreased because he'd been taking it for so 517 00:30:38,845 --> 00:30:42,805 Speaker 1: many years that then he probably with the alcohol and 518 00:30:42,885 --> 00:30:46,845 Speaker 1: the sleeping pill combination, he died from that or also 519 00:30:46,925 --> 00:30:48,365 Speaker 1: from just the wear and tear of his body of 520 00:30:48,405 --> 00:30:51,485 Speaker 1: like being on so many different drugs that'll do it. 521 00:30:52,045 --> 00:30:55,525 Speaker 1: But the thing that was weird is that they think 522 00:30:56,245 --> 00:31:00,325 Speaker 1: that the medical examer was actually in cahoots with the 523 00:31:00,325 --> 00:31:03,885 Speaker 1: assistant because initially they never I mean, it's kind of 524 00:31:03,885 --> 00:31:07,205 Speaker 1: like he most likely died of like this actual having 525 00:31:07,205 --> 00:31:09,085 Speaker 1: this talksin but for a while, it was like six 526 00:31:09,125 --> 00:31:11,885 Speaker 1: months before they actually said that he had died from, 527 00:31:11,925 --> 00:31:14,605 Speaker 1: you know, having too much of this barbiturate. But they 528 00:31:14,685 --> 00:31:17,525 Speaker 1: think that they were in cahoots because they didn't want 529 00:31:17,525 --> 00:31:20,605 Speaker 1: it to seem that Tennessee Williams had killed himself. And 530 00:31:20,645 --> 00:31:21,925 Speaker 1: there was just like a lot of other things that 531 00:31:21,965 --> 00:31:23,725 Speaker 1: they just didn't want people to think because if you're 532 00:31:23,725 --> 00:31:25,005 Speaker 1: just like, oh, he was found dead in his room, 533 00:31:25,045 --> 00:31:27,805 Speaker 1: they're going to assume it was suicide. But also this 534 00:31:27,925 --> 00:31:30,165 Speaker 1: was like right at the beginning of the AIDS crisis, 535 00:31:30,605 --> 00:31:33,165 Speaker 1: and so there was obviously all this stigma attached to 536 00:31:33,205 --> 00:31:35,645 Speaker 1: gay men, so they just wanted to say, oh, it 537 00:31:35,765 --> 00:31:38,045 Speaker 1: was this bottle cap thing, and they think all of 538 00:31:38,045 --> 00:31:40,925 Speaker 1: that was just a lie because they didn't want anyone 539 00:31:40,925 --> 00:31:43,565 Speaker 1: to think that he had died of AIDS or suicide 540 00:31:43,645 --> 00:31:46,285 Speaker 1: or you know something else. That was trying to preserve 541 00:31:46,445 --> 00:31:51,285 Speaker 1: their his memory or his legacy and stuff. They didn't 542 00:31:51,285 --> 00:31:56,205 Speaker 1: want people yeah was he out or no, yes, oh 543 00:31:56,205 --> 00:31:59,605 Speaker 1: he was okay, yeah, but I just thought it was like, 544 00:31:59,725 --> 00:32:02,925 Speaker 1: I mean literally that they do think that. The assistant 545 00:32:03,365 --> 00:32:05,765 Speaker 1: was like, hey, medical examiner, can you just say that 546 00:32:05,765 --> 00:32:09,285 Speaker 1: he choked on a bottle cap? And he was like sure. 547 00:32:10,365 --> 00:32:14,165 Speaker 1: But then they changed it was mister Williams mummified. No 548 00:32:14,405 --> 00:32:17,605 Speaker 1: he was not, but he was put to rest in 549 00:32:17,605 --> 00:32:21,245 Speaker 1: a way. He didn't want to be rested. This is 550 00:32:21,285 --> 00:32:24,085 Speaker 1: just like the rudest thing that's ever happened. That's the 551 00:32:24,085 --> 00:32:28,165 Speaker 1: opposite of mummification. Mumification is so intentional, like you want 552 00:32:28,205 --> 00:32:30,645 Speaker 1: that to happen to you. Well, kind of he did 553 00:32:30,685 --> 00:32:33,565 Speaker 1: want the opposite of mummification because he wanted to be 554 00:32:33,725 --> 00:32:37,965 Speaker 1: you know, in the water. So basically here's what had happened. 555 00:32:38,125 --> 00:32:41,245 Speaker 1: He drafted his will about ten years before he died, 556 00:32:41,285 --> 00:32:43,765 Speaker 1: and in it he had a very specific way that 557 00:32:43,845 --> 00:32:47,405 Speaker 1: he wanted to be put to rest. And here is 558 00:32:47,445 --> 00:32:51,565 Speaker 1: what the will says, I, being in sound mind upon 559 00:32:51,605 --> 00:32:54,765 Speaker 1: this subject, and having declared this wish repeatedly to my 560 00:32:54,845 --> 00:32:58,605 Speaker 1: close friends, do hereby state my desire to be buried 561 00:32:58,685 --> 00:33:01,485 Speaker 1: at sea. I want to be buried at sea at 562 00:33:01,525 --> 00:33:04,645 Speaker 1: as close a possible point as the American poet heart 563 00:33:04,685 --> 00:33:07,725 Speaker 1: Crane died by choice in the sea. I wish to 564 00:33:07,765 --> 00:33:10,845 Speaker 1: be strewn up in a canvas sack and dropped overboard, 565 00:33:10,885 --> 00:33:13,965 Speaker 1: as stated above, as close as possible to where heart 566 00:33:14,005 --> 00:33:17,165 Speaker 1: Crane was given by himself to the great Mother of life, 567 00:33:17,205 --> 00:33:21,405 Speaker 1: which is the sea, the Caribbean, specifically, if that fits 568 00:33:21,445 --> 00:33:26,085 Speaker 1: the geography of his death. So he is obviously saying, 569 00:33:26,365 --> 00:33:28,325 Speaker 1: I told all of my friends this is how I 570 00:33:28,365 --> 00:33:29,805 Speaker 1: want to go. And then he puts in his will 571 00:33:29,805 --> 00:33:31,205 Speaker 1: that he wants to be put in a sack and 572 00:33:31,245 --> 00:33:34,245 Speaker 1: thrown into the ocean. Sounds like he already had like 573 00:33:34,645 --> 00:33:39,445 Speaker 1: an argument with people about it. I know, no, no, Tennessee, 574 00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:42,005 Speaker 1: Like that's not normal, you can't do that. He was like, 575 00:33:42,285 --> 00:33:45,485 Speaker 1: fuck everyone, I'm putting into my will so it halts it. 576 00:33:45,565 --> 00:33:47,085 Speaker 1: That's how he went. That's how he went. He was 577 00:33:47,125 --> 00:33:48,925 Speaker 1: thrown into a sack. Well, that's what he wanted. And 578 00:33:48,965 --> 00:33:51,045 Speaker 1: it's like, obviously he told his friends again and again, 579 00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:56,645 Speaker 1: but then his bitch ass older brother did not do that. 580 00:33:56,685 --> 00:33:59,125 Speaker 1: Like they weren't very close, but like he could have 581 00:33:59,165 --> 00:34:01,405 Speaker 1: seen the will, he knew what was up, and instead 582 00:34:02,085 --> 00:34:06,805 Speaker 1: he just buried Tennessee at the same cemetery where they 583 00:34:06,805 --> 00:34:09,285 Speaker 1: had buried, in the same plot area as where they 584 00:34:09,325 --> 00:34:12,565 Speaker 1: had buried his mother, which was also rude because he 585 00:34:12,605 --> 00:34:15,125 Speaker 1: had such a contentious relationship with his mother. I'm sure 586 00:34:15,165 --> 00:34:18,165 Speaker 1: he didn't want to be next to his mother. So 587 00:34:18,245 --> 00:34:21,405 Speaker 1: I'm starting a petition on change dot org because this 588 00:34:21,485 --> 00:34:23,725 Speaker 1: is the issue. We need to be focusing on zooming 589 00:34:23,805 --> 00:34:28,165 Speaker 1: tendency William's body and throwing it into the ocean near 590 00:34:28,205 --> 00:34:31,965 Speaker 1: to where heart Crane the poet killed himself. I just 591 00:34:32,005 --> 00:34:35,165 Speaker 1: want to clarify he literally wanted to be thrown from 592 00:34:35,165 --> 00:34:38,325 Speaker 1: a canvas back, not ashes. No, well, he wanted to 593 00:34:38,365 --> 00:34:42,525 Speaker 1: be put inside the sack and then the sack throne, 594 00:34:42,725 --> 00:34:44,285 Speaker 1: Like how I want to be put in a sack 595 00:34:44,405 --> 00:34:49,085 Speaker 1: into a dumpster him doing that. Wow, I'm going to 596 00:34:49,165 --> 00:34:51,045 Speaker 1: be just like him in my will and testament. I 597 00:34:51,125 --> 00:34:55,605 Speaker 1: have had multiple conversations with my friend. Honestly, here's what 598 00:34:55,685 --> 00:35:00,085 Speaker 1: I will say. It seems like his family because Okay, 599 00:35:00,085 --> 00:35:02,165 Speaker 1: did his family have anything to do with lying to 600 00:35:02,245 --> 00:35:04,405 Speaker 1: the public about how he died. No, I think it 601 00:35:04,445 --> 00:35:07,725 Speaker 1: was mostly his Assistan and other people close to him. 602 00:35:07,885 --> 00:35:11,885 Speaker 1: And it's like his family that he definitely, like obviously 603 00:35:12,045 --> 00:35:14,405 Speaker 1: had kept in contact with them. But it's just so 604 00:35:14,525 --> 00:35:16,285 Speaker 1: much of his work is based on the dysfunction of 605 00:35:16,325 --> 00:35:19,405 Speaker 1: his family. So I totally understand. Yeah, because here's what 606 00:35:19,405 --> 00:35:22,005 Speaker 1: I'm saying. It feels like the people nearest to him 607 00:35:22,045 --> 00:35:25,285 Speaker 1: and his family were very focused on appearances and on 608 00:35:25,325 --> 00:35:29,325 Speaker 1: what people thought was like quote unquote normal and normal 609 00:35:29,405 --> 00:35:32,685 Speaker 1: burial or like, you know, an accident, instead of him 610 00:35:32,765 --> 00:35:36,205 Speaker 1: dying from all of these choices that he made slash 611 00:35:36,405 --> 00:35:40,005 Speaker 1: just his really hard life. And so that's really sad. 612 00:35:40,125 --> 00:35:43,405 Speaker 1: He should have gotten his sack throne into the sea 613 00:35:43,485 --> 00:35:47,885 Speaker 1: with his poet friend. I know, he should have grown 614 00:35:47,925 --> 00:35:51,565 Speaker 1: his sack throne into the sea. I mean, he deserved it, 615 00:35:51,605 --> 00:35:53,645 Speaker 1: you know, that's what he wanted. And it's just like, 616 00:35:53,725 --> 00:35:57,805 Speaker 1: that's why life be terrible sometimes even if you're successful, 617 00:35:57,885 --> 00:35:59,765 Speaker 1: Like maybe if he wasn't as successful, maybe they would 618 00:35:59,765 --> 00:36:01,605 Speaker 1: have been more amenable to throw on him in a 619 00:36:01,645 --> 00:36:04,165 Speaker 1: sack off the side of a boat. You know, but 620 00:36:04,845 --> 00:36:08,365 Speaker 1: sometimes you just don't get your wish. Thanks scouting that, 621 00:36:09,085 --> 00:36:16,165 Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Welcome back to kid Abigails. I 622 00:36:16,205 --> 00:36:19,245 Speaker 1: am so excited to tell you what I have discovered 623 00:36:19,725 --> 00:36:23,605 Speaker 1: about burying a body at sea, so that when we 624 00:36:23,645 --> 00:36:27,485 Speaker 1: get Tennessee Williams by Zoom, we know what to I 625 00:36:27,565 --> 00:36:30,285 Speaker 1: know exactly what to do. We'll go full Nicholas Cage 626 00:36:30,325 --> 00:36:36,925 Speaker 1: and be like, I'm gonna steal the body of Oh 627 00:36:37,525 --> 00:36:39,325 Speaker 1: we should get him on board to do this. That'd 628 00:36:39,325 --> 00:36:46,925 Speaker 1: be National Treasure seventeen. Okay, all right, So, first of all, 629 00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:49,805 Speaker 1: I am shook. I for some reason just didn't even 630 00:36:49,845 --> 00:36:52,245 Speaker 1: think it would be legal to bury a body at sea. 631 00:36:52,325 --> 00:36:54,765 Speaker 1: But it is. Is it still bury or is it 632 00:36:54,845 --> 00:37:00,285 Speaker 1: toss a body at sea? I don't anyways, hard anyway, 633 00:37:00,445 --> 00:37:02,565 Speaker 1: I don't know why it's shocking that it's legal, But 634 00:37:02,645 --> 00:37:05,125 Speaker 1: I mean, like, what's the actual difference if you're burying 635 00:37:05,165 --> 00:37:08,765 Speaker 1: somebody in the earth versus the water, so we actually 636 00:37:09,285 --> 00:37:14,925 Speaker 1: hindsight the body can move. Oh, the body can move? Okay, 637 00:37:15,045 --> 00:37:17,565 Speaker 1: holy shoot, or you don't even think about how water moves. 638 00:37:17,685 --> 00:37:22,085 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's respectful, right, we like Tennessee. Williams 639 00:37:22,125 --> 00:37:23,965 Speaker 1: was really specific. He was like, this is how I 640 00:37:24,045 --> 00:37:27,125 Speaker 1: want where I want my body to be when I die. 641 00:37:27,245 --> 00:37:29,885 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. He was like, even if it's He's like, 642 00:37:30,245 --> 00:37:32,565 Speaker 1: if it's convenient to where I am, it can be 643 00:37:32,685 --> 00:37:35,165 Speaker 1: what did you say, near the Caribbean somewhere. Yeah, he 644 00:37:35,285 --> 00:37:36,685 Speaker 1: was like, you know, it'd be good to be like 645 00:37:36,725 --> 00:37:39,645 Speaker 1: thrown in this like exact spot where this like amazing 646 00:37:39,685 --> 00:37:42,405 Speaker 1: poet killed himself. But like if it's not exactly there, 647 00:37:42,445 --> 00:37:45,285 Speaker 1: it's okay. I think he was being fully reasonable. Anyway, 648 00:37:45,325 --> 00:37:47,965 Speaker 1: he probably knew that it was all okay. If it 649 00:37:48,045 --> 00:37:51,725 Speaker 1: was illegal, that's one thing, but it's definitely legal. So anyway, 650 00:37:51,805 --> 00:37:55,645 Speaker 1: So obviously though, there are rules and these I found 651 00:37:56,005 --> 00:38:03,245 Speaker 1: on the EPA's website, so the Environmental Protection Agency. That's 652 00:38:03,285 --> 00:38:05,285 Speaker 1: so interesting that they have a whole page about because 653 00:38:05,285 --> 00:38:07,805 Speaker 1: I guess it's a problem. You know, it's a lot. Okay, 654 00:38:07,885 --> 00:38:10,765 Speaker 1: it's actually a lot, and I really just got like 655 00:38:10,845 --> 00:38:15,925 Speaker 1: the basis of it. But there's some general guidelines. So first, 656 00:38:16,125 --> 00:38:20,325 Speaker 1: the remains must be placed at least three miles from shore, 657 00:38:20,565 --> 00:38:23,165 Speaker 1: and it has to be at least six hundred feet deep. 658 00:38:24,125 --> 00:38:26,965 Speaker 1: And if you're not using a casket, well, first, if 659 00:38:27,005 --> 00:38:28,925 Speaker 1: you are using a casket, it has to be made 660 00:38:28,925 --> 00:38:33,005 Speaker 1: out of certain materials as to not hurt the fish 661 00:38:33,085 --> 00:38:35,725 Speaker 1: in the sea, So probably a canvas sack is probably 662 00:38:35,725 --> 00:38:39,405 Speaker 1: a pretty ego friendly. They recommend wrapping the body in 663 00:38:39,405 --> 00:38:42,685 Speaker 1: a natural fiber sack and adding weight to sink the 664 00:38:42,725 --> 00:38:46,485 Speaker 1: body quicker so that it doesn't doesn't move interfere with 665 00:38:46,525 --> 00:38:49,365 Speaker 1: the fish. All right, now here is where I'm like, 666 00:38:49,605 --> 00:38:56,925 Speaker 1: what in the actual heck? Like it said you have 667 00:38:57,045 --> 00:39:02,205 Speaker 1: to tell the EPA within thirty days of following the event, 668 00:39:02,645 --> 00:39:04,965 Speaker 1: so apparently you can do it and then just like 669 00:39:05,045 --> 00:39:08,485 Speaker 1: tell them later, which I think that's really weird, Like, hey, 670 00:39:08,525 --> 00:39:11,885 Speaker 1: I dumped this It's so interesting I dumped this body. Also, 671 00:39:12,205 --> 00:39:14,445 Speaker 1: you don't apparently you don't even need like a certificate 672 00:39:14,445 --> 00:39:19,085 Speaker 1: of death, which seems really really weird to me. I 673 00:39:19,165 --> 00:39:21,925 Speaker 1: don't know why, but you can literally just be like 674 00:39:21,965 --> 00:39:24,925 Speaker 1: so you have to fill out this form so that 675 00:39:24,965 --> 00:39:26,645 Speaker 1: they know that you're doing it or you've done it 676 00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:28,365 Speaker 1: or whatever. But you don't have to have a death 677 00:39:28,405 --> 00:39:33,605 Speaker 1: certificate or anything. So I'm like, you can just be like, hey, 678 00:39:33,725 --> 00:39:38,885 Speaker 1: I put this body in the ocean and they're like, okay, 679 00:39:39,005 --> 00:39:41,885 Speaker 1: I hope they were dead. Yeah, And it's like I 680 00:39:41,885 --> 00:39:43,645 Speaker 1: don't know why, but it just seems really weird. And 681 00:39:44,005 --> 00:39:48,965 Speaker 1: then to add to that, it's like DNA is soluble 682 00:39:48,965 --> 00:39:52,125 Speaker 1: in water after like seventy two hours. Taylor, are you 683 00:39:52,165 --> 00:39:54,765 Speaker 1: saying that by describing this in this episode, we might 684 00:39:54,845 --> 00:39:59,405 Speaker 1: be showing people how to dispose of a body. I know. Oopsies, No, 685 00:39:59,805 --> 00:40:02,845 Speaker 1: that's what I'm like. This is just readily available if 686 00:40:02,885 --> 00:40:05,405 Speaker 1: you just go to the EPA's website. It's like, it's fine, 687 00:40:05,885 --> 00:40:08,205 Speaker 1: Like you can just put a body out. Let's see. 688 00:40:08,285 --> 00:40:12,245 Speaker 1: We recommend you use a natural fiber stack as to 689 00:40:12,325 --> 00:40:15,405 Speaker 1: not poison our fish in our the ocean, but you 690 00:40:15,405 --> 00:40:18,285 Speaker 1: can use your own boat. You could also charter a boat. 691 00:40:18,725 --> 00:40:22,445 Speaker 1: The EPA does not care about humans, like they said, 692 00:40:22,445 --> 00:40:24,765 Speaker 1: as long as you're not hurting the fish, we're fine. 693 00:40:25,005 --> 00:40:27,965 Speaker 1: I mean, they do care about because it's we're dependent 694 00:40:28,045 --> 00:40:32,925 Speaker 1: on the environment as humans to continue our species. Nika, Well, 695 00:40:33,005 --> 00:40:35,605 Speaker 1: it's good to know though that you know, when we 696 00:40:35,685 --> 00:40:37,245 Speaker 1: dispose of a body. We're going to do it the 697 00:40:37,325 --> 00:40:41,925 Speaker 1: environmentally friendly way. So so yeah, look there you go. 698 00:40:42,205 --> 00:40:46,205 Speaker 1: It's actually easy, peasy lemon squeezy. All we got to 699 00:40:46,245 --> 00:40:49,405 Speaker 1: do now is get that petition and find a body 700 00:40:49,565 --> 00:40:51,885 Speaker 1: to get that body zoomed, and then we're good to go. 701 00:40:52,645 --> 00:40:56,165 Speaker 1: This is uh, we have weird goals on this show. 702 00:40:56,805 --> 00:40:59,205 Speaker 1: I mean, don't worry about it. I mean I just like, 703 00:40:59,285 --> 00:41:02,285 Speaker 1: for some reason, I was just like shook just reading 704 00:41:02,285 --> 00:41:05,005 Speaker 1: all of this. I'm like, oh, just tell them that 705 00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:07,765 Speaker 1: you're going to do it, and they're like, Okay, that's fine. 706 00:41:09,005 --> 00:41:12,045 Speaker 1: I know. I find it like they I'm guessing they 707 00:41:12,045 --> 00:41:13,645 Speaker 1: have to ask like reason of death and all that 708 00:41:13,685 --> 00:41:16,125 Speaker 1: sort of stuff. It just sounds too easy for a 709 00:41:16,205 --> 00:41:22,245 Speaker 1: murdering reason of death drowning, like like what I doh No, 710 00:41:23,765 --> 00:41:26,205 Speaker 1: at least they said you have to weigh it, like 711 00:41:26,245 --> 00:41:28,325 Speaker 1: you have to add weight to it. Because the idea 712 00:41:28,365 --> 00:41:32,005 Speaker 1: of random bodies like burial bodies, just floating up just 713 00:41:32,045 --> 00:41:35,045 Speaker 1: gives me anxiety. It says it's recommended, it's not like 714 00:41:35,085 --> 00:41:37,645 Speaker 1: it's required. And if they don't have somebody with you 715 00:41:37,685 --> 00:41:43,005 Speaker 1: to go jump the body, then what does it actually matter? 716 00:41:43,205 --> 00:41:46,085 Speaker 1: Like nobody, there are no rules on the high seas. 717 00:41:46,285 --> 00:41:48,325 Speaker 1: That's what we're getting at. You just have to be 718 00:41:48,445 --> 00:41:50,765 Speaker 1: through at least three miles from the shore, although I 719 00:41:50,805 --> 00:41:53,285 Speaker 1: think they're in some areas are a little bit more 720 00:41:53,285 --> 00:41:55,285 Speaker 1: specific and have to be a little bit further, Like 721 00:41:55,325 --> 00:41:57,725 Speaker 1: I think there's places in Florida or you have to 722 00:41:57,725 --> 00:42:00,085 Speaker 1: be a little bit further. But they're like, yeah, just 723 00:42:00,085 --> 00:42:02,685 Speaker 1: just be three miles from shore and six hundred feet deep. 724 00:42:02,845 --> 00:42:04,965 Speaker 1: So I am now rethinking, then instead of tossing me 725 00:42:05,005 --> 00:42:07,365 Speaker 1: in the dump you should toss me in a recycling 726 00:42:07,445 --> 00:42:10,605 Speaker 1: ben Perhaps we've all agreed that, Like, I want a 727 00:42:10,605 --> 00:42:13,085 Speaker 1: statue of myself, but I don't want my body to 728 00:42:13,125 --> 00:42:16,005 Speaker 1: be here just a statue, Gabby and a dumpster. Nick 729 00:42:16,165 --> 00:42:18,285 Speaker 1: is a statue, and I want to just be obliterated 730 00:42:18,285 --> 00:42:25,805 Speaker 1: office or spontaneously combused. Yeah, so what have we What 731 00:42:25,925 --> 00:42:27,965 Speaker 1: have we learned? I feel like we've learned a little 732 00:42:28,005 --> 00:42:33,285 Speaker 1: too much. We've we've given people dangerous information and people 733 00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:38,165 Speaker 1: will know when Tennessee Williams's body goes missing, they're going 734 00:42:38,205 --> 00:42:40,445 Speaker 1: to be on our case. We'll do it the right way. Yeah, 735 00:42:40,485 --> 00:42:48,325 Speaker 1: if we get Nicholas Cage involved. Nicholas, if you are listening, yeah, 736 00:42:46,565 --> 00:42:52,485 Speaker 1: we at any rate, this has been an exciting episode 737 00:42:53,125 --> 00:42:56,565 Speaker 1: as you sure have school all right. Well, we'll be 738 00:42:56,605 --> 00:43:08,725 Speaker 1: back next week with another episode of Cadavergal's Kick Dargal. 739 00:43:13,645 --> 00:43:16,605 Speaker 1: Cadavergaws is a production of School of Humans in iHeartRadio. 740 00:43:16,885 --> 00:43:20,605 Speaker 1: It's hosted, produced, mixed, researched all of the things by 741 00:43:20,685 --> 00:43:23,725 Speaker 1: Gabby Watts, Nica Duarte, and Taylor Church. 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