1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Jacks Jack Jaguarris Did you go Jack Uarres Drive Time? 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Ryan Sex texted jag Actually, Jaguarres Drive Time starts right now. 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: I think for me personally, UM, I'd much rather do 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: it for the players than the coaches, you know, to 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: be able to win. I mean that that to me 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: is more important than anything, you know for myself. Um. 7 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: You know, you see them actually putting the work in. 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: You see them, you know, the sore or they beat up, 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: and they're going out there and they're practicing and they're studying. 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: And the the coaches that you're late putting together a plan. 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: You know, I'd like to see, um, you know, all 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: that stuff come together, you know, for them. Um, personally, 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: that that's how I look at it. The Jaguars have 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: not won a football game since Week one of the season. 15 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: Oh it feels like a long time ago that dun 16 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Rowan was able to talk about a win. As the 17 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: Jaguars get ready to take on the Browns this Sunday, 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving Eve. Welcome to Jaguars Drive Time on a 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: Wednesday morning with Brian Sexton and John Osier. And before 20 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: we get into big things, guys, let's show this breaking 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: news that is just a report as of now. From yesterday, 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Tom Pelisero tweeting out that the Jaguars entire defensive staff 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: is dealing with COVID troubles and as of yesterday they 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: did not work inside of the building. Now we're going 25 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: to hear from head coach Dug Maro own at nine 26 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: am this morning live, so we're gonna hear more about this. 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: Whether this is just a rumor it is actually news 28 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: and the Jaguars have to deal with this. But Brian, 29 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: if this is true and Dug Brown does talk about it, 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: this is something sadly, most teams have had to deal with, 31 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: the Jaguars as a whole as well the coaching staff. 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: I really haven't had to deal with this so far 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: this season, but it's kind of just the norm as 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: of now. We just take it outside of football for 35 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: a moment. Actually, And um, I'll give you an example here. Uh, 36 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: we had a kid. You know, you have groups of 37 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: friends and they all run together, and you know, two 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: weeks ago, one of them tested positive. So they were 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: all set aside and they all went through the testing 40 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: and yesterday was the first day they were able to 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: get back together, right, and they're playing basketball and they're 42 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: having fun, and then they find out someone else's brother 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: tests positive and so now they're all separated again. I mean, 44 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: it's just it's the reality of the world that we're in, 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: let alone football right now. Football just has this onus 46 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: to try to get all these games in because there's 47 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: no more by weeks, but all of us are dealing 48 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: with this virus lingering around the edges, and especially with 49 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving tomorrow, at some point, you just want to throw 50 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: your hands up and say enough already, right, John, And 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: we thought we had all the COVID protocols figured out, 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: and then the NFL released a bunch of new intensive 53 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: protocols yesterday trying to mask this for at least six 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: more weeks as we try to get through this NFL season. 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: We're trying to get through the season, and with six 56 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 1: weeks to go, they're close. But now obviously the weather 57 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: is making it more likely and you're seeing things increase in. 58 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: The NFL has done a great job so far of 59 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 1: getting these things in. Uh, you know, the intensive protocols. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,679 Speaker 1: I thought that at some point they were going to 61 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: have to do that where it was league wide to 62 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: get some sort of a level playing field on the front. 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: So I would still not be surprised if at the 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: end of this it won't affect the Jaguars. I still 65 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if we're looking at some sort of 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: even more intense maybe a bubble for the postseason. I 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: haven't heard that from the inside. It just seems like 68 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: that would still be an option. But we'll see. And 69 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: you're exactly right that they're at that point right now. 70 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 1: As I just you know, said with the example out here, Um, 71 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: you know, it just seems like no matter which way 72 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: you turn, your touch it. And the only way I 73 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: think they get untouched to the playoffs into the Super 74 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: Bowl and play every game is if they do when 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: they get down to what eight is seven teams, maybe eight, 76 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: depending on if there's games lost. Um, they're gonna have 77 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: to put them in a bubble because this thing, especially 78 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: with the holidays, is just gonna linger around. Right to 79 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: do it in the sas because there's fewer team yeah, yeah, 80 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: oh absolutely, it's much more viable to do it in 81 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: the postseason. And and look, the reason that I wanted 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: to touch on this at off the top a little 83 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: bit more actually than we normally do is because I 84 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: think that in Jacksonville in the spring, you know, we 85 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: saw cases, but I personally didn't it didn't see it 86 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: around me. I didn't. I didn't have people that I 87 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: knew that were, you know, directly affected. BESSELLI was the 88 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: only one. And now everywhere you turn it's popping up. 89 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: So this is only you see the Ravens story this 90 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: morning about how many players they've got sitting out and 91 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: they're going to Pittsburgh for a game tomorrow. I mean, 92 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: it's this thing is only going to get more and 93 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: more intense as we go between now and then, and 94 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: especially with Thanksgiving and people getting together because they will 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: get together no matter what any governor says. Um, this 96 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: is going to become more and more part of the 97 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: storyline between now and the end of the season. It is. 98 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: It is the storyline of football, and therefore we have 99 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: to talk about it and see what dug Rowne has 100 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: to say at nine o'clock about the Jaguars defensive staff 101 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: and the COVID troubles that are reported. So let's get 102 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: into big things. Big thing one is Decision Day. There 103 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: is another reason that's just dug Rowne press conference. It's 104 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: very important and you want to tune in at nine 105 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: o'clock and that is because he is most likely going 106 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: to name a starting quarterback. Will it be Mike Glennon, 107 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, Jake Lewton As of now, we do not know. 108 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: All three definitely have options. But the biggest thing is 109 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: is Gardner Minshew healthy and that's going to be a 110 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: big factor in that decision. I got to see him 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: for all, you know, I feel a little bit. I 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: want to see him, you know, throw a whole thing. 113 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: Was that appeal for the trainers and every one and 114 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: gardeners that he feels good when you feel but um, 115 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to make sure that myself, 116 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: Ben and j who were able to see it watch 117 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: it before. If you know, training evaluation, so someone throwing, 118 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, there's a little bit difference. I think that, 119 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, coaches the evaluation. We shall see what Doug 120 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: myr Own decides who will be the starting quarterback this 121 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: Sunday against the Cleveland Browns. Right. Big thing number two 122 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: sticking with the Browns is attempt. The Browns have started 123 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: twenty eight different quarterbacks since nineteen looks like they might 124 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: have finally gotten their guy and are now contending in 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: the a f C. So can this be a lesson 126 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: for the jag Worth You see a guy like Baker 127 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: Mayfield on the field for the Browns and big thing 128 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: three sticking with the Browns is a big day for 129 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Joe Schobert. The Browns historically are known for their running game. 130 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: They always have been, going back to the nineteen eighties, 131 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: but never had the Browns can compare to that era 132 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: since now Nick Chubb Kareem Hunts are dominant in Joe 133 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: Schobert isn't for a big day. Stopping that dynamic duo 134 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: in John The Browns is definitely something we talked about 135 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: a lot of specially last year going into training camp. 136 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: They were the hot, flashy team on the cover of ESPN. 137 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: But now it kind of seems like they've gotten back 138 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: to the basis, gotting back to their running game and 139 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: they don't really have the stigma that they had last season. 140 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: But it's definitely working for them this year. Yeah, well, 141 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: last year's I certainly turned into a stigma at some 142 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: point during the season. It didn't surprise me. Offseason hot 143 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: team is usually not in season hot team. The Browns 144 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: changed coaches. First of all, my understanding is this coaching 145 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: staff of the Browns have is doing a great job 146 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: of sticking to what they are. They know they're a 147 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: running team, they know that that's how they win games. 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: And was interesting I learned talking about the Browns this week. 149 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: They aren't a great defense. They are a team that 150 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: got by with a lot of takeaways. They sort of 151 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: went into a slump on that they got takeaways against 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: the Eagles last week. They feel like a team to 153 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: me that if the Jaguars were playing better, This feels 154 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: like a winning team that you could get because they 155 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: are a good team. They haven't quite established themselves as 156 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: a great team yet, they're on their way to that. 157 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: They have big games against Pittsburgh and Baltimore later, which 158 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that franchise feels like it's going to be 159 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: their litmus tests. But you know, if the jedu Wars 160 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: play well, this is not quite Green Bay in Pittsburgh 161 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: in terms of heavy lift Jaguar stopping the run, well, 162 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: maybe they can get something done there. I can't pick him, 163 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: but we'll see. We will see. In Brian, the biggest 164 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: question is who is going to play quarterback on Sunday? 165 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: And I think about it and I go back and 166 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: forth because you see advantages with all of these guys. 167 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is the question of Gardner Minshew health. 168 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: And dun Moron has said many times he's not putting 169 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 1: him out there unless he is a hundred and ten 170 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: percent ready, And you can't blame him if I say 171 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: anything that we're going to ruin the C block. So 172 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything. Okay, fair enough, We'll 173 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: be talking much more about the quarterbacks, deep jacks, drive time, 174 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: all right, So let's talk about the running backs for 175 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: the Browns. It's going to be a big day for 176 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Joe Schobert and Brian. We've seen Joe Schobert have some 177 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: great games that this might be his biggest test of 178 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: the season is stopping to running backs like the Browns have. 179 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: You know, uh and and John could go back to 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: the eighties with me. But when Marty Schottenheimer is the 181 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: coach and they played in the old Mistake by the 182 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: Lake on that soggy turf, Ernest Spinder and kell Kevin Mack, 183 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: we're a dominant duo. They're one of only six duos 184 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: in NFL history to have a thousand yards in the 185 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: same season. They were powerful. This it feels the same way. 186 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 1: I mean, Kareem Hunt's been a star before his obvious 187 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: and well publicized indiscretion that got him cut by Kansas City. 188 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he was a huge part of what they did, 189 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: uh in k C. And then I mean we're seeing 190 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: Nick Chubb. We saw him in the Southeastern Conference, played 191 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: for Georgia. I mean, you've got power, you've got speed, 192 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: you've got everything. And if the Jaguars the Browns are 193 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: gonna line up and they're gonna say stop us, right, 194 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not gonna be Hey, we're going right 195 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: here on to see if you can stop us. Kind 196 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: of obvious, but it's it's not far from that. You 197 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: better be able to stop the run. And you would 198 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 1: expect that. Joe Schobert has some inclination of how they 199 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: like to run. Though there is a new coaching staff, 200 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: but he has an idea of of what these guys 201 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: do and how well they do it. Um. I mean, 202 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: this is old school, a f C Central football line up, 203 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: and let's see who is the better man. It's if 204 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: you if you can't stop them, they're not gonna stop 205 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: running almost five yards per carry. Why would you not 206 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: definitely makes sense, and it shows why these linebackers are 207 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: in for a big day on Sunday, regardless of the 208 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: game plan against the Cleveland Browns, and we come back 209 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: like Brian Sexton just tease. 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Here on 250 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Eve, we're looking at three quarterbacks. Not something you 251 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: exactly want to be doing in the middle of the season, 252 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: but it has been a roller coaster for this quarterback 253 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: position for the Jaguars this year. So we have three candidates, 254 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew, Jake Lewton, Mike Blennen. We're not sure what 255 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: Doug Brown is going to the side of who will 256 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: be the starting quarterback Sunday against the Browns. We're gonna 257 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: go one by one and have some pros and some 258 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: cons because they're all three very differ princes quarterbacks. So 259 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: let us starts fellas with Gardner minshewa a guy that 260 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: we think we know pretty well as him now and 261 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: have a pretty good sample size of the pros is obviously, 262 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: he has the big arm the team buys in. He 263 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: has the mobility, and that's the biggest thing that stands 264 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: out with Gardner Minshew with these three is he is 265 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: the most mobile. The con and the biggest con Brian 266 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: is the health question mark. You can list all the 267 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: other cons, but that's the biggest thing is you don't 268 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: know where his health is right now. Well, I think 269 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: the biggest con is that he doesn't have the big arm. 270 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: You know that he's not the guy who's going to 271 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: stand in the pocket and rifle the ball, uh, like 272 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Luton did in Green Bay through traffic to healen Cole. 273 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: You know, that's the biggest knock on him. He would 274 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: have been drafted higher. I think if, like Baker Mayfield, 275 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: despite the compact frame, he had the absolute cannon for 276 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: the arm. Uh, You're right about the health. If you 277 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: have a thumb on your passing hand, your arm strength 278 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: is possibly lessened because you've can't grip the ball and 279 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: drive it to any degree. So that is a con 280 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: for him. You know, the problem is is that if 281 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: your defense can keep you in it, if they can 282 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: stop the run. I mean, this is the guy that 283 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: runs around and makes the dramatic plays. He'd be more 284 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: fun to watch um in all likelihood, and he might 285 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: give you that hard stopping come from behind, you know, 286 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: like in Denver last year. Kind of win. Um, there's 287 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: no denying that. When Minshew Magic is rolling, Uh, he 288 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: is fun to watch, and we saw a bunch of 289 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: it in the second half in Nashville. The problem is 290 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: it disappeared, evaporated at that point and we never saw 291 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: it again. It is very true. And John, this is 292 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: a guy that he talked to national reporters, like for example, 293 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: talking to Charles Davis last week for the podcast, and 294 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: he was saying, you know, this is a guy that 295 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: everyone wants to root for, and there's something about him 296 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: that you want to see him back on the field. 297 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: But when Minshew Magic isn't there, it's kind of hard 298 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: to argue that when is that going to come back? 299 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: No one knows. Yeah, I mean it's we had the 300 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: magic last year. There was magic for a couple of 301 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: games this year, but within that magic, even last year, 302 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: let's not forget there were a lot of games where 303 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: it looked like this year he's been inconsistent up and down. 304 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: You mentioned Slynn your route format. I would like nothing 305 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: more than for him to be the guy, or to 306 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: have been the guy in terms of this way, and 307 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: I don't think he is. Unfortunately, so in terms of 308 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: this year, the biggest graphic or the biggest thing off 309 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: that graphic was clearly hell. Everything in Doug Moron's tone 310 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: this week said that he's not going to Jake Lewton, 311 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: meaning when he was talking about this issue on Monday, 312 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: he was talking about Gardner's thumb, and he's got to 313 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: see whether or not that's going to be a a thing. 314 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: I think you said the top of the show, Slin, 315 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: no way does Doug put Minshew out there if he 316 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: even has a remote doubt about that. Um So, I 317 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: think that's going to be the key trigger in this 318 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: decision today or there was made yesterday that he'll probably 319 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: announced today m hm. Yes, Dunn Ron did mention that 320 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: he's watched gardnerments who throw at some point this week, 321 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: So I'm sure he now knows and has made a decision, 322 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: and we'll see an o'clock what he decides. And we 323 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: mentioned Jake Luten and definitely from the tone of voice, 324 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like Dug Brown is going to go 325 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: that direction. But there is pulip pros and cons with 326 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: Jake Luton that we now have seen the past three games. 327 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: The pro is by far the biggest arm out of 328 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: these three he wowed us during training camp and the 329 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: biggest question is would it translate to the game field, 330 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: and at times it did. But the con Brian, the glaring, 331 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: glaring con is the inaccuracy and kind of at times 332 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: just a complete fastball and no touch to the ball. Well, 333 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: he's a rookie obviously, with no preseason to two Honey's 334 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: craft whatsoever. And um, that is a con. Here's the 335 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: here's the real reason why I wouldn't go with him 336 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: this week, And it became a parent last Sunday against 337 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: the Steelers. There are so many young players out there 338 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: on the field that the Jaguars need to see improve 339 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: right receivers, offensive linemen, defensive backs. They need a quarterback 340 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: they can count on to get the team into the 341 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: game plan and execute. Otherwise, these young guys, they can't 342 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: lean on Jake Luton like they could a more veteran quarterback. 343 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: They're not getting an accurate idea of where they're at. 344 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: These guys aren't necessarily able to improve to the point 345 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: where you can count on them next year. If the 346 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,879 Speaker 1: quarterback is struggling as mightily as he is. Um, if 347 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: you're gonna have any chance to win in the final 348 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: six weeks, and if you're a fan that doesn't want 349 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: to win, I get it. But the coach wants to win. 350 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: And so the smart decision is to say, all right, 351 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: we had a couple of weeks with him, put him 352 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: to the side, and let's get someone in there that 353 00:18:53,920 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: can help young players do their job right. And that 354 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: is the biggest glaring thing, John is if you were 355 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: looking forward and you were not in such a pressure 356 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: to win now, I think Jake Luton is your best 357 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: option because you want to see what's there as of 358 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: right now. Three games isn't a lot of sample size 359 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: to see if Jake Luton committee be on your roster 360 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: next season, even if you do draft a quarterback. But 361 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 1: dun Ron obviously is in win now mode, and I'm 362 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: sure he's gonna say we want the quarterback that gives 363 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: us the best chance to win. Well he is. And 364 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: I think the biggest negative that's not in the graphic 365 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: is it's tough for a coat to roll a guy 366 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: back out there who looked for a while on Sunday 367 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: as lost as Jake Luton did, uh with a as 368 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: Tom Coffin would call it, a callous disregard for the 369 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: ball and Brian can remember that phrase as well. Um 370 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: you know, I personally would like to see Luton for 371 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 1: one more game because I would like to see if 372 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: the if the next game confirms Steelers wish, you see 373 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: a couple of throws that are just way over and 374 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: out of whack and then you say, Okay, this kid's 375 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: not ready yet. Steelers are really really good. I think 376 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: the Brown's defenses is good. Um you know, I don't 377 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: think necessarily that that game was a true test of 378 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: everything he can be against just okay defenses. But I 379 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: agree with Brian for the most part, what this coaching 380 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: staff want. They want the guy that they feel like 381 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: it's in the best chance to win right now. If 382 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: min Show's thumbs hurt, then maybe that is the better. 383 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: And finally, the last guy is Mike Glenn. And I 384 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: will admit making this graphic. I didn't have much to 385 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: put on there because we don't know a lot about 386 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: Mike Glenn and the biggest pro obviously is his experience. 387 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: He's a veteran quarterback who has been here and done that. 388 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: The con is that we haven't seen him in game action, 389 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: at least here in Jacksonville. And Brian this was a 390 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: guy in training camp. There were some throws in me 391 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: that you said wow. But as a whole he wasn't 392 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: the guy that we were talking about every day. But 393 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: he does have the game experience that Jake Luton doesn't have. Well. 394 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: As an NFL quarterback, he's not spectacular. I mean, he 395 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: looks the part. He's got the big body, he's almost 396 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: six ft seven, and he certainly has an NFL caliber arm. 397 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: But in places like Chicago and Tampa where he's been, 398 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: he's never been able to claim the job. So here's 399 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: what he is. He's the guy who gets you lined up. 400 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: He's the guy that makes sure that the protection scheme 401 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: is right, uh, that the rookie receiver knows where they're running. 402 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: He's the guy that doesn't put the defense with all 403 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: those young players on that side of the ball in 404 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: bad situation after bad situation after bad situation. He gives 405 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: you a chance to execute your game plan. He's six 406 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: and sixteen as an NFL starter. He's completed his passes. 407 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: I think he has, you know, thirty six career touchdowns 408 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: and career interceptions. Again, not spectacular as a quarterback, but 409 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: a guy who can help them get the job done 410 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: and then you lean on some other guys to make 411 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: some plays. Maybe it it means the passing game is 412 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: effective enough that James Robinson can touch the ball times. 413 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: It's the little things with glenn and not the big 414 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: overarching things. And I just at the end of this, 415 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: right before John speaks, there is no doubt that the 416 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Jaguars will use their first pick on a quarterback next year. 417 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: They have three guys and we're debating, right if that's 418 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: the case, you don't have your guy, you have to 419 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: go get your guy. Now, that's obvious. Everybody who's watching 420 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: this snows the Jaguars need to go get a young, 421 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: dynamic quarterback. What we're talking about now is what do 422 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: you do for the next six games. Remember that's more 423 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: than thirty three of your season, more than a third 424 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: of your season remains. And I really believe that if 425 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: you're looking at this, if if Minshew's thumb is an 426 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: issue and we'll find out later and Lewton looks lost, 427 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: then maybe Glennon is the right guy because he helps 428 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: your young players continue to improve and grow and not 429 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: just Plateau. You need these guys is in December to 430 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: be getting better. Even if it's only slightly incrementally better 431 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: so that when you get to the offseason, you've identified 432 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: what they can do to help you. Yet times, glenna 433 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: just seems like the game manager. Yeah, and the reality 434 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: is there's too many cons and not enough froze in 435 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: this whole graphic, or else he wouldn't be having the conversation. 436 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to knock these guys, right, but 437 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: you know, quarterback position on this team is a major issue. 438 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: So that's our reality right now. H Glennan. Just like 439 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: Brian said, every team needs one Mike Glennon. You don't 440 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: need a whole bunch of them. Because what it is 441 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: is he's the guy who when things are really bad, 442 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: or the starters hurt or things are in disarray and 443 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: you've got to have a guy to go in for 444 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: a game or two to calm you down. That's what 445 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: he is. So he's a valuable piece of the NFL equation. Uh. 446 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: If he plays, you'll probably see unspectacular, you'll see solid, 447 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: you won't see a whole lot of chance throws, you'll 448 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: see smart decision, but you just won't see a franchise 449 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 1: guy because that's not what he is. So uh, in 450 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: terms of pros. He's a veteran with experience who has 451 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: Brian said, he'll get guys in position and give them 452 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: a fighting chance if everybody else elevate to have a 453 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: chance to win. But he will not elevate you because 454 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: right now the Jaguars don't have a quarterback who elevate. 455 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember two thousand ten and the Jaguars were 456 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: having all kinds of quarterback issues and they were pulling 457 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: Todd Bauman off of his lawn tractor in Minnesota in 458 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: the middle of the season to come join them in 459 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: Kansas City to start a football game for them. You know, 460 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: he's Todd Bauman, He's Luke McCown. He's that guy that 461 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: you say, all right, look, we're not going into one 462 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: with you, but we need you to eddie our ship 463 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: this year and get us on to some level ground 464 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: at some point so we can operate. They've done this before. Um, 465 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: if it's him, you know exactly why they're doing it. 466 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: You know they want a chance to be stable and solid, 467 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: not spectacular. 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Check it out back 507 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: on Jags Drive Time Wednesday morning, Looking at the Cleveland 508 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: Browns now before head coach Doug Browns press conference at 509 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: nine o'clock. And we're joined now by senior media broadcaster 510 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Nathan's a girl. Nathan, thank you so much for waking 511 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: up with us right and early. And I start this 512 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: question by the difference, the difference between the Cleveland Browns 513 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: besides this coaching staff one year later, after six wins 514 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: last season, this team right now is seven and three 515 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: in contending. Yeah they are, and it is great to 516 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: be with you this morning. And yeah, you know, I 517 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: would give the coaching staff a lot of credit, first 518 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: of all, and just the organization in general, Kevin Stefanski 519 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: coming in general manager Andrew Barry. I say this all 520 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: the time about them. They've got the three piece. They 521 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: are prepared, they have a plan, and they have a 522 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: process to implement the plan. And I think when Browns 523 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: fans watch it, they know every week that their team 524 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: is well prepared for the opponent, that they will manage 525 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: the game well in game with those kind of situations 526 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: and decisions, and that Kevin Stefanski is just a smooth operator. 527 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: And so when you have a guy who comes in 528 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 1: dials up the right scheme, and the players know. I 529 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: talked with Joe Thomas every week, certain Hall of famer 530 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Browns left tackle. I talked with him 531 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: every week, and he says, when the players know that 532 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: the coaches are putting them in the best position to succeed, 533 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: number one, it gives them confidence. But number two, it 534 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: also gives them ownership and that if this doesn't work, 535 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: it's my fault and I have to make sure that 536 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: it does work. And so I think we've seen that 537 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: just very sound game planning. It's a team that has 538 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: come through in the important moments time and time again. Uh. 539 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: The scheme, as I said, fits very well for the talent, 540 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: and that's one of the things. They really married that 541 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: and bringing in Bill Callahan as the offensive line coach 542 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: I think has done wonders. But look, this is a 543 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: team that knows how to run the football as well 544 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: as anybody in the NFL. Nick Chubb leading the league 545 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: at six yards per carry in the fourth quarter, Nick 546 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: Chub's averaging over thirteen yards per carry. They've got a formula. 547 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: They get out to a lead, they wear you down 548 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: with that ground game, and then they pound you into 549 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: oblivion in the fourth quarter. On the ground with the 550 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: combination of Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt, and they play 551 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: solid defense, not great defense, and it's gonna be tough 552 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: this week. No Miles Garrett, no Denzel Ward, the Browns 553 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: two defensive players. But the last three weeks we really 554 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: kind of haven't gotten to see anything. I know, you 555 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: guys enjoy wonderful weather in Jacksonville. It's been insane in 556 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: Cleveland the last three weeks, high winds, nobody has been 557 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: able to throw the ball, crazy rain, so we don't 558 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: We aren't sure yet. There still are some questions about 559 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: the defense, but I give a lot of credit to coach, 560 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: the fansky and the guys buying in. There has been 561 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: a true culture shift in Cleveland. I have two quick questions. 562 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: They only said I had one, but I got to 563 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: the second. One you can answer easily. The first is 564 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: is Baker Mayfield an elite quarterback? We haven't seen him yet? 565 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: Or is the jury still out? And the second is 566 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland is a great football town and it's been marred 567 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: by the losing in recent years. But are Browns fans back? 568 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: Are they enjoying this moment as much as they should be. 569 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: I'll start with the second question. First, yes, Browns fans 570 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: are back. They are absolutely enjoying this moment. The sad 571 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: thing is where in the midst of a global pandemic, 572 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: so they can't you know, get to the stadium in 573 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, sixty five sixty six and go to the 574 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: Muni lot and tailgate and all that. The city is 575 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: very much on fire. But as you guys know, it's 576 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: a very strange world that we're living in. So it's 577 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: kind of a bummer because if this were a normal year, 578 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: it would be all anybody in Cleveland's talking about. Everywhere 579 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: you go, you'd be seeing people in Brown's gear, so 580 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: you you miss out on that unfortunately. But yes, the 581 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: fans are very willing to jump back in and it's safe. 582 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: I think they know the style of football they're seeing 583 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: the people that are in charge. They know that this 584 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: is the right direction for this organization. As for Baker Mayfield, 585 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: fifteen touchdowns on the year, seven interceptions, he's playing well 586 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: within the system. I think that you know, over the 587 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: final six games, the Browns would like to find out 588 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: if Baker Mayfield is elite. I don't know that he's 589 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: ever recaptured the form you saw over that second half 590 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: of his rookie season when the Browns were just so 591 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: fun to watch and he was slinging it all over 592 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: the place. But Kevin Stefanski's offense is very good. It's 593 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: a Shanahan Kubiak, that wide zone scheme, and Baker has 594 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: been incredibly effective in the boot action and on early 595 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: first down. For example last week on first down play action, 596 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: four for four for a hundred and twelve yards, so 597 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 1: able to hit those chunk plays. There's really only been 598 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: one game that the game was put squarely on his 599 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: shoulders and he responded those against the Cincinnati Bengals at 600 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: one point twenty one straight completions in that game through 601 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: for five touchdowns, ran the two minute drill effectively going 602 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: seventy five yards with over a minute left in the 603 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: game without any time out. So he's shown flashes of it. 604 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: I think you want to see more consistency from him, 605 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: and then really the next evolution is he's thriving. As 606 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,239 Speaker 1: I said in that play action boot game, can he 607 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: just dropped back and throw the football? You know, in 608 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: those third and long obvious passing situations. Can you throw 609 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: the football when everybody knows you're going to and I 610 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: think that's really the next evolution for Baker to take 611 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: that step from right now being a very effective system 612 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Cleveland Browns to becoming an elite quarterback. Hey, 613 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: what is this defense without Garrett and without Denzel Ward? 614 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: Or is that what we find out on Sunday? I 615 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: think we will find out. You know, I was struck 616 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: watching the Rams defense on Monday Night Football this week 617 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: taking on the Buccaneers, and he saw, well, there's Aaron 618 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: Donald the game record. Up front, You've got Jalen Ramsey. 619 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: What would that defense look out look like without those 620 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: two guys. I don't know the answer to that either. 621 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: For the Browns, the good news is up front, you've 622 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: got some veterans. Last week with Myles Garrett and I 623 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: granted it was against the Eagles, who have given up 624 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: the most sex of the league, but Olivier Vernon, who 625 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: has had a very strong career with Miami and the 626 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,239 Speaker 1: and the Giants before joining the Browns, he came up 627 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: with three sacks. Adrian Clayborne, a very solid veteran who 628 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: once had nine sacks with the Falcons, he came up 629 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: with a sack and a half, and Vernon also had 630 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: a safety, so your front is still pretty good. Vernon 631 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: and Clayborn veterans on the outside. Sheldon Richards in an 632 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: excellent defensive tackle and Larry Ogan Joeb next to him, 633 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: so your your front is still pretty good. The questions 634 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: come now in the secondary for the Cleveland Browns, and 635 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: I'll start at cornerback because without Denzel remember Greedy will Hims, 636 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: last years second round pick, was supposed to be the 637 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: other starting corner for the Browns. He's missed the entire season. 638 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: The Browns have a great veteran, Terrence money Mitchell. He 639 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: will start at one quarterback. I would assume that Kevin Johnson, 640 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: a former first round pick of the Texans who's come 641 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: in and played very well for the Browns this year 642 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: after a one year stint with the Buffalo Bills on 643 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: that playoff defensive year ago, will likely kick outside. What 644 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: they do in the slot now that I don't know, 645 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: so that could be a matchup for Kelan Cole this week. Safety. 646 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Thank you Jacksonville for Ronnie Harrison. 647 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: He has been an absolute stud for the Cleveland Browns. 648 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: He's a little bit banged up. I know this one 649 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: is circled for him. I know he wants to be 650 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: out there. If he's out there, he's been a great 651 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: playmaker for the Browns, already has a pick six this year, 652 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: gets his hands on the football, has been one of 653 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: our top players. So this defense, you know, Joe Woods, 654 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: what they've done very effectively this year is do some 655 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: bend but not break. They do not give up big plays. 656 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: They don't give up chunk plays at all. I think 657 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: they've only given up two plays of more than forty 658 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: yards this year. In the past, they don't give up 659 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: the big runs either, So they make you kind of 660 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: work your way down the field and then they get turnovers. 661 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,479 Speaker 1: They generate turnover seventeen turnovers for this Brown's defense now 662 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: that they have generated in ten games, and that's really 663 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: kind of been their formula for success. Now, as I said, 664 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: we haven't seen Debt, we won't have Denzel, we won't 665 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: have Miles, and Miles has been the best I think 666 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: defensive player in the NFL this year. So it's going 667 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 1: to be tougher. But this team has lost Nick Chubb 668 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: for four games. It's lost so Dell Beckham for four games. 669 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: Wyatt Teller, the right guard who's pro football, folks. His 670 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,320 Speaker 1: highest graded offensive linement for multiple games, Austin Hooper for 671 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: multiple games, Miles now for multiple games. They've dealt with 672 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 1: injuries and they've overcome, which goes back to the original points. 673 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: The fancy gets these guys ready to play. People step up, 674 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: and Joe Woods has really kind of tuned into the 675 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: strengths of the guys on the field. When they're on 676 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: the field, we shall see what's in store Jaguars versus 677 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: Brown's here on Sunday in Jacksonville. Nathan, thanks much for 678 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: the time. We hope you have a great Thanksgiving and 679 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: a hopefully staying warm up there in Cleveland. Certainly not 680 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: staying warm, you guys stay safe, have a happy Thanksgiving 681 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: as well. And I will say this, the Browns are cognizant. 682 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember this. I do. 683 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,359 Speaker 1: Two thousand and fourteen, the Browns go down to Jacksonville 684 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 1: after whooping the Steelers at home. And that was a 685 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: game I believe was Blake Borders quarterback and Shoelace Robinson 686 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: was the running back, rand for a hundred yards and 687 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 1: the Browns lost in Jacksonville. And so they are still 688 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: talking about that, because that put a little bit of 689 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: a dent on the last time the Browns were a 690 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: competitive team. The Browns need to know they need to 691 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: go down there and take care of business against the Jacks. 692 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: It's gonna be an interesting matchup. Nonetheless, Nathan, thanks so 693 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: much for the time, and thanks so much for tuning 694 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: in too, Jaguars Drive Time. 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