1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Let's talk about Jim the Wonder Dog. Who is that? 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 3: Jim the Wonder Dog was a English setter living in Marshall, Missouri. 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: This was back in the nineteen twenties and early nineteen thirties, 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 3: and his owner, man named Sam van Arsdale, had adopted 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 3: him when he was six weeks old and thought like that. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: He actually said, this was a quote from newspapers back then. 8 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 3: He said, this was the dumbest dog I'd ever seen. 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 3: But that impression quickly changed. They were out for on 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 3: a quail hunt and Van Arsdale, as the story goes, 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 3: he mentioned that they should go rest under a nearby 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: hickory tree, and he was amazed that Jim headed straight 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 3: to the hickory tree, knowing which one it was. And 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 3: he thought that's odd, so he tested them. He started 15 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: naming other trees, and Jim started going to those other trees, 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 3: specifically a walnut tree, a cedar tree. He even went 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: to a stump. He said, go to a stump, and 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 3: he did all this again, as the story goes, without 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: any hesitation, so van Arsdale, thinking like, wow, there's something special, 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: about this dog, and he had no way to account 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 3: for this, and he had scientists, biologists, psychologists coming to 22 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: study Jim. This became national news. The press loved it 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: and no one, no one could figure anything out with 24 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 3: this dog in terms of how it was able to 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 3: know certain things right, and it went beyond that, so 26 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: it was able to understand different languages. In fact, Van 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 3: Arsdale said it could understand any language, so whenever someone 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: was speaking, it would respond properly to the correct answer 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: to whever that language was asking. And it even seemed 30 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 3: to have psychic powers. So Jim was known to have 31 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: picked six straight winners in the Kentucky Derby, which is 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: pretty amazing. And they would do that, you know, van 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 3: Arsdale would basically place the name of different racehorses on 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: pieces of paper and Jim would go touch the winner 35 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: with a paw, you know, be presumed winning with the paw, 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: And like I said, he got six of those in 37 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: a row correct. And then parents who were expecting a child, 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: they would write in request asking the dogs to predict 39 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: the sex of their baby, and supposedly this went not. 40 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 3: You know, he did many of these and got them right, 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: had a lot of success with that doesn't seem like 42 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 3: maybe the best use of a psychic dog. But this 43 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: was what was going on, and there was a case 44 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: a story I thought was kind of fun that someone 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: tried to stump the dog. This was a gentleman who 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 3: tested the dog. He basically had three women with him 47 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: and said, you know which one of of these women 48 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 3: is my wife? And the dog Jim just sat perfectly still, 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: kind of stretched down the floor and didn't go anywhere. 50 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: The man he finally admitted that in fact, he wasn't 51 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: married at all, so he was trying to, you know, 52 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: pull one over on Jim, and Jim was too smart 53 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: for that, so, you know, how was he doing this? 54 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: Of course, no one really knows what exactly was going 55 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: on with Jim and how he was able to do 56 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 3: these amazing things. But this went on to nineteen thirty 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: seven when sadly Jim passed away while they were fishing trip. 58 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: It seems to have maybe been a heart attack or 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: a stroke that you know, that's all really the veterinarian 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: was able to say. Jim was twelve years all at 61 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 3: the time. Van Arsdale completely denied the use of any 62 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 3: signals and he was never caught using any you know, 63 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: it seems like maybe somehow he was suddenly signaling a 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: dog with the correct answers. But again, as the story goes, 65 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: no one ever told'm doing it, He denied it, and 66 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:27,239 Speaker 3: scientists again were completely baffled by how he was doing 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: these things. And he's still memorialized today. A Jim the 68 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: Wonder Dog mus Him and Garden in Marshall. 69 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: Missouri tell us the story of the Phantom Barber of Pascagoula. 70 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: This is another truly bizarre story, which is interesting because 71 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: Pasca Gula, it's the strange story. Is probably most known 72 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 3: for is the UFO abduction case nearly seventies, that's right. 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: But in nineteen forty two, in June, you know, this 74 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: was when World War II was raging, you know, in 75 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: Europe with all kinds of horrible horrors, but people that 76 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: had its own weird type of terror was facing. There 77 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: was this criminal who was prowling at streets at night 78 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: and he would sneak into people's homes. And it wasn't 79 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: trying to he wasn't stealing money or other valuable something 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: like that. He was stealing here and he became known 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: as the Fantom Barber and what he would do is 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 3: he would he would go into these homes and he 83 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: would cut the hair of young girls. In fact, at 84 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 3: one point he went into a convent and he cut 85 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 3: the locks from three different girls, and you know, they'd 86 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: wake up, but some of them were thinking they were dreaming, 87 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: because they would sense something was going on and they'd 88 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 3: wake up and see them as he was slipping out 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: the window, and they'd see that their hair was cut, Like, 90 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 3: oh my god, what is going on here? Why was 91 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: this guy cutting hair? And that was it. And so 92 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: the town's kind of freaking out about this, like what's 93 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: going on. The police, you know, were out on the 94 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: case with their bloodhounds. They offered a three hundred dollars 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: reward for its capture. They had volunteer officers, they were 96 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 3: giving guns to help catch this guy. Parents were nailing 97 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: their windows shut, sleeping with their kids to protect them 98 00:04:58,160 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: and make sure that this guy didn't cut their hair. 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: And finally, you know, within a few months, after at 100 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 3: least seven haircuts during the night, they finally caught this 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: guy named William Dolan, who was a fifty seven year 102 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: old German chemist, and he was apparently a Nazi sympathizer 103 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 3: who wanted to strike at the morale of American workers 104 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: who were helping with the war effort in Pascagoula. And 105 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 3: this was his very bizarre way of doing that. And 106 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: eventually he was tried for attempted murder because he finally 107 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: did go beyond cutting hair. He attacked a couple with 108 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: an iron rod overnight that summer, and for that he 109 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: was tried and convicted, sentence to ten years in prison, 110 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: but eventually shared and the hair trimmings were found in 111 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: his backyard and he denied any wrongdoing, but it seemed 112 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 3: pretty obvious that this guy was out there strangely cutting 113 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: people's hair as a fantom barber. 114 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: You have a book called Chasing Ghosts. Tell me about that. 115 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: Well, Chasing Goes goes into really the history of our 116 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: fascination with spirits and it's supernatural, so it goes into 117 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: some of the early cultural beliefs and ghosts, but also 118 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: really hits on the spiritual as a movement, which is 119 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 3: really what got me into the topic, which began in 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: eighteen forty eight in Hyttesville, New York, with the Fox 121 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 3: Sisters believe they were hearing rappings that were made by 122 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 3: a ghost in the basement, and that just took off, 123 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: you know, and kind of took over the nation and 124 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 3: over the seas as well, with different mediums claiming that 125 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: they could speak to the dead and spirituals, and became 126 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: a huge religion still religion where people truly believe that 127 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: we communicate with the dead, we don't truly die. So 128 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: I became fascinating with what these meetings were doing and 129 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: how they were manifesting different voices and making you know, 130 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 3: you know, tables, lifts and levitates and furniture move and ectoplasm, 131 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: all these different things, and people were completely believing it. 132 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: Scientists were staying them and buying into the whole thing. 133 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: So it gets into a lot of those different stories 134 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: and covers you know, hanted places as well, and in 135 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: different ways that the science is used to either detect 136 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 3: evidence of ghosts or or show how maybe some paranormal 137 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: events might actually be explained by science. So it kind 138 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 3: of covers a wide range of of the paranormal. 139 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: You're not a fan of oigi boards either, are. 140 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: You, Well, I'd find wigi board's pretty fascinating. So I 141 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: have a story here. This was one that actually didn't 142 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 3: end up ringing in Chasing Ghosts. But I did put 143 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 3: on my website weird Historian dot com Wiji boards. So 144 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: Wiji boards basically gained popularity in the late eighteen hundreds, 145 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 3: and they were a way for mediums to communicate more 146 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: efficiently with the other side because they could have the 147 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: plan chips spell out messages from the dead before you 148 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: might have, you know, a plant chip might write out 149 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 3: messages on a piece of paper with a little piece 150 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: of pencil, which could take a long time. Before that, 151 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: it was you know, the wrappings and knockings, which could 152 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: take again that could be very tedious to spell longboards 153 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: because the Ouiji board was a bit more efficient. And 154 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: really this was this was more I think, you know, 155 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 3: not something scary. This was exciting for sciences. To me, 156 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: it didn't really become like this sort of evil item, 157 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: you know, fair normal thing until The Exorcist kind of 158 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: made it so in nineteen seventy three in the film, 159 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 3: in the book of course preceding that, but there was 160 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: a case in nineteen thirty three where the Wiji board 161 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 3: was actually apparently pretty evil. And this was a case 162 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: in Arizona where a woman, this woman who was married 163 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: and had a fifteen year old daughter she worked with. 164 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: She consulted the Wigi board and was basically told that 165 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: there was a location of a buried treasure, and so 166 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 3: she got her husband to go look for this buried treasure. 167 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: And he was out there working hard. He was supposedly 168 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 3: blasted away rock searching for the treasure to please his wife. Well, 169 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: he was busy looking for the treasure. She found a 170 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: cowboy to have an affair with and so that relationship 171 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 3: took off. She consulted the Wigi board again with her daughter, 172 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: and the Wigi board allegedly told this fifteen year old 173 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: girl named Maddie to kill her father, which is crazy, right, 174 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: So she was convinced that this is what she had 175 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 3: to do. The mother said, hey, the Wisi board cannot 176 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: be denied. You won't be arrested for doing it. It's 177 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 3: what the Wiensi board says to do. So the daughter 178 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: shoots her dad. Thankfully he doesn't die, he survived it. 179 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: But of course, you know, there's a trial. The mother 180 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: is eventually sentenced to attend a twenty five years sons 181 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: showings her two years, which is odd. She was State 182 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 3: Supreme Court, you know, shortened her sentence and Maddie was 183 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 3: sent to a state school for delinquent girls for six years. 184 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: So very strange story of a Wuiji board going terribly awry. 185 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: In the nineteen thirties, What about the time people believe 186 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 2: that man bats lived on the moon? You even looked 187 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: at that. 188 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a story I really loved, just 189 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 3: from again the Annals of Weird History. So this was 190 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: the Great Moon Hoax of eighteen thirty five. And imagine 191 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: that eighteen thirty five. You know, we didn't know a 192 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 3: lot about the Moon back then, right, we didn't have 193 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: the telescopes that we have now. Obviously, you know, we've 194 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 3: been to the Moon since then, So there was a 195 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: lot of unknown and there was a lot of belief 196 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: that there might be other beings on the Moon and 197 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: other plants within a solar system as well. This was 198 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: kind of, you know, not an unusual belief back then. 199 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 3: So The New York Sun had an editor and he 200 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 3: decided that he wanted to drum up some you know, 201 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: some hype about the newspaper and get some business and 202 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 3: add to the circulation. So he ran a story that 203 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: year saying that astronomer who's the famous astronomer Sir John 204 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: Frederick William Herschel had discovered man bats on the moon 205 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 3: and other kinds of life forms and fauna, all kinds 206 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: of floor and fauna on the moon. And this was 207 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 3: supposedly reprinted, this article from the supplements to the Edinburgh 208 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: Journal of Science. So it sounded very official, right, but 209 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: that actually the Edinburgh Journal of Science had gone out 210 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: of business years earlier. But of course no one knew 211 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: that there's no internet to look down up or anything, 212 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 3: so no one cared. And this editor, Richard Locke, just 213 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: ran with the story and then he completely fabricated all 214 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: these details, but he gave it that legitimacy, and he 215 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: described all these different kinds of amazing creatures that were there. 216 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: You know, I mentioned the man bats, of course, you know, 217 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: these men with giant wings who could fly. There was 218 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: monstrous blue unicorn with a beard. There were beavers that 219 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: walked on their hind legs but had no tales, which 220 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 3: is odd. And they lived in huts and they built campfires. 221 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: And there's these amazing illustrations that company these articles. Beautiful illustrations. 222 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: I have one on where historian dot com which which 223 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: listeners can see and so this went on for a week. 224 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 3: Every day the stories grew more and more detailed, adding 225 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: more things that were observed through the telescope on the moon. 226 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 3: And so sure you had, you know, readers of the 227 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 3: New York Sun and other people picking up the story 228 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 3: that life had been discovered on the moon. And of 229 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: course this is exciting, right, we're finally understanding what's there 230 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: and having actual descriptions of her from ast and and finally, 231 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 3: by the end of the week, word came out that 232 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 3: the whole thing had been fabricated, and you know, this 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: whole thing was just a giant hopes. But what was 234 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: interesting was that people still love the story. It was entertaining, 235 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: and that's kind of how people ended up just taking it. 236 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: So it didn't hurt the paper. In fact, circulation remained 237 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 3: up in the months that followed, so so it worked 238 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: great a lock. Even though Locke privately admitted he did this, 239 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 3: he publicly denied that he can cock to the whole thing, 240 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: just like because to keep up the roots as much 241 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: as possible. But yeah, kind of an amazing week in history. 242 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 2: Mark who was Martin van Buchel. 243 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: This was a very odd, eccentric character from eighteenth century London, 244 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: and he was he was kind of a quack surgeon. 245 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: He would ride around on town through London on a 246 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 3: spotted pony, which sounds odd because you might wonder what 247 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 3: would even find a spotted pony, and you don't. He 248 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: painted the spots on the pony himself. Sometimes they were purple, 249 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 3: sometimes they were black. Again just part of his eccentricity. 250 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 3: He also had a long flowing beard. He carried a 251 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: large just a large bone in his hand. So again 252 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: just this odd character. You can imagine going through the 253 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: streets of London and offering different medical services that He 254 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: also took an interest in anatomy, and he worked with 255 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: John Hunter, who was a very famous surgeon, kind of 256 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: the guy who really got us into modern surgery. He 257 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: would dig up corpses at night, drag them back into 258 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: his laboratory through the back door. It's actually the inspiration 259 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: for doctor Jucklo mister Hyde, because he would that's what 260 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: he would do. We'd dig up the corpses at night, 261 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 3: sneak him in the back door, study them, cut them 262 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 3: open four things, and kind of advance the idea of surgery. 263 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: And his brother would help us as well, William Hunter, 264 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: so van Bootfell, you know, was working with him and 265 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: kind of fascinating and learning from him. And then in 266 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: seventeen seventy five, his wife Mary dies and so he 267 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: decides to have her embalmed, and William Hunter helps embalm 268 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: her for him, and he's excited about having his embalmed wife. 269 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 3: She was fitted with glass eyes. She was dressed in 270 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: a white lace gown and still looking, you know, all 271 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: beautiful and death. He places her in this glass case 272 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: and exhibits her to friends in his home, and he's 273 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: welcoming visitors during the day except for Sunday. Then people 274 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: could come see his dead wife on display, which again 275 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: just an odd thing to do. And then this all 276 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: stops Finnie when he remarried and his new wife, Elizabeth, says, 277 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: you know, she's not excited about that. She doesn't want 278 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: her her predecessor in the house dead, you know, for 279 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 3: people to come visit and for her to walk by 280 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: every day or whatever she chets this year. So Buchol 281 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 3: SAIDs okay, fine, I'll get rid of Mary, and so 282 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: we give her to John Hunter, his buddy, and John 283 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: Hunter of course had this amazing museum which which is 284 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: now a Hunterey Museum in London, so this became part 285 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: of his Museum of Medical Oddities, and that lasted until 286 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: I believe the nineteen forties, Yeah, nineteen forty one, when 287 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: her body was destroyed during one of the bombing raids 288 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: during the war. But that body went on display basically, 289 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: you know, for more than one hundred and fifty years 290 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: or so. 291 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 292 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: one a m Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 293 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: dot com for more