1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: My name is Mett, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: of the week. We hope everybody had a great weekend, 11 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: and we hope that you are in the mood for 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: strange things and news, because that's what we do at 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: the top of the week, we explore strange news. Today, 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: we're going to see uh, some news that might strike 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: people as sad. I think it's a good thing. We're 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: going to see UH brief car chase that might surprise you. 17 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: We're also going to uh. We're also going to I think, 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: enter into a discussion that initially feels good but might 19 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: have some long range consequences. It's about the power of 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: private tech companies. But I was thinking quickly before you 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: jump in. Yeah, I think we need to make a 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: new kids show. We'll call it Blues and News. It 23 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: will feature some kind of blue little character, maybe a 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: cat this time that we explore news that gives us 25 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: the blues together. They we need do that that with 26 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: legal though. We don't want to risk copyright infringement. What 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: about what about a blue canoe? Right? Isn't that? I'm 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: just thinking in terms of rhymes here. Remember that that 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: cartoon from the like I think seventies the Herculoids. Wait no, 30 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: never mind that it's other herculoids. It was a weird offshoot, 31 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: like alternate reality version of the Flintstones, where there was 32 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: a character called the Schmoo. Do you guys remember the Shmoo? 33 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: He was a blobby ghost looking guy. He inexplicably existed 34 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: in the Flintstones universe and he was like just schmooing 35 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: around and they call him the Schmoo. You know what 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: blue new is? G n you. It's like the street 37 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: name for with the Wilder Beast. But I don't know 38 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: how good they would be at finding clues. A cat 39 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: might be better just because they're more They seem like 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: they have higher dress. Hey, yeah, so before we begin, 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: tell us what you think about that animal idea, what 42 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: would be what kind of animals should we go with 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: for our children's show? And don't think we're joking about 44 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: children's content, Folks can't spoil it too much, but we're 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: getting weird situations. I was thinking we could start today's 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: show and start off this week with a surprise announcement 47 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: to one of our long time conspiracy realist Phil g 48 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: Phil Happy birthday. If you're hearing this the day it 49 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 1: comes out, it's your birthday and turns out that your wife, 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Amanda is top notch a real keeper. Amanda wrote to 51 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: us and said it would be a cool present for 52 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: you to get a shout out on air and even 53 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: a happy birthday. Illegally, we can't sing the song. It's 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: one of the most like dangerous songs to sing on 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: air on the planet. Did that one? Did that one 56 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: go back into public use? I thought it isn't that 57 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: something happened with that. I don't remember. I know there 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: was a the urban legend that Michael Jackson owned it, 59 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: or that Paul we bought it from Paul McCartney or something. 60 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: I just for some reason remember seeing a thing that 61 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: it was like back in the the fair to use zone. 62 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: But you know, I wonder let's see uh doing that. Phil, 63 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: I just want you to I want you to know 64 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: that we're aware that your birthday was on Sunday. Okay, 65 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: so it's cool, we get that. We just wanted to 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: wish you have a birthday today because it's the clue 67 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: sist we'd be able to wish you happy birthday exactly. Well. 68 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: Phil sounds like a great guy, him and Amanda both. 69 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you all send us 70 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: an angry letter about time and we're doing our best, 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: just like everybody else here in two But happy birthday, Phil, 72 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: Happy birthday indeed. And apparently we're safe to sing it 73 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: though we don't have to do that because in the 74 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: copyright claim was declared invalid. Warner Chapel Music had claimed 75 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: it previously, and they were ordered to pay back fourteen 76 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: million dollars in licensafe fees. Were in the clear. I 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: think we're both look at the same BBC article the 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: common song you can't sing in public? Right? Correct? Yeah? 79 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: So so Phil, Uh, here's to you man, Happy New Year. 80 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: I am relatively militant about the celebration birthdays. I think 81 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: they're the only real New Year a person gets every 82 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: other New Year is just my opinion here, um and 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: kind of an arbitrary thing based on the calendar. But 84 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: except for birthdays that one's yours. Take it, roll with it, 85 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: have an amazing day. In the meantime, no matter what 86 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: happens on Phil's birthday week, he is going to be 87 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: having a better week then. Alex Jones. Alex Jones, you'll 88 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: remember it was a long time Holst, the right wing 89 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory thing called and Uh. Alex Jones and our 90 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: show have never spoken. We don't agree on a lot 91 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: of things, but he has done a lot in terms 92 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: of giving us a great opportunity to do impressions, uh, 93 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: which is sometimes similar to the nixed impression. Here's what's 94 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: going on. I'm Alex Jones into here more there we go? Yes, 95 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: uh So. Alex Jones is the creator and point man 96 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: for an outfit called info Wars. Back in the day, 97 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: info Wars and Above top Sea Grip were two great 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: websites to find alternative viewpoints and define weird out their 99 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: fringe news or conspiracy stuff. Over time, they both got 100 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: increasingly politicized and kind of weaponized, and they began focusing 101 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: more and more on the realm of US politics, and 102 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: this was a conscious decision on the parts of those forums. 103 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: They also became a little more antagonistic towards what we 104 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: call the mainstream media, and this started to reach ahead 105 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: in the case of Sandy Hook. For anybody who is unaware, 106 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: the Sandy Hook shooting was horrific event. In two thousand 107 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: twelve December fourteen, two thousand twelve, there was a shooting 108 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: by a twenty year old named Adam Lanza. It results 109 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: in the deaths of twenty eight people, and Sandy Hook 110 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: was an elementary school. It also just gotten the crosshairs 111 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: of people who believed that the whole thing was made up. 112 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: So they were going to parents whose children had literally 113 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: died out of school, and they were accusing them of 114 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: being part of some grand conspiracy that we looked at 115 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: back in the day, and there just wasn't much support 116 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: for the idea. It really it seemed like people were 117 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: forcing a narrative on on this tragedy, and it was 118 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: a narrative that had no no foundation, no supporting evidence. Uh, 119 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: and you can imagine this is traumatic beyond words for 120 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 1: the survivors. Wait, so you can't just say anything about 121 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: anybody at any time. Well, well, here's the thing, but 122 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: didn't didn't those lawyers like literally say he's an entertainer, 123 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: he's not to be taken seriously. Second, that was in 124 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: a different case too, with his like kids or something. 125 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: That's when he got high off chili. Yes, just just quickly. 126 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: In the case of Sandy Hook, there was real singling 127 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: out of individuals who were victims, like families in in 128 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: this case. And that's why it's really messed up when 129 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: you compare it to other instances of a conspiracy, where 130 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's more of a general statement about government 131 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: agents did this, or you know, crisis actors in general. Right, 132 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: But there were specific there were specific allegations against people, 133 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: and it was yeah, and here's what's happening. So freedom 134 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: of speech is different from something called defamation. He was 135 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: in court for defamation and this lawsuit has been going 136 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: back and forth. Originally he offered to pay a hundred 137 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: and twenty grands per plaintiff in this group lawsuit by 138 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: relatives of the shooting victims who said he was defaming 139 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: them by saying this massacre never actually happened. They rejected 140 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 1: the money uh Connecticut judge found him liable for damages 141 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: in that case, and it goes into what you were mentioning, Matt, 142 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: not just harassment, but death threats from Jones's followers. Well, 143 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: info Wars may not be around much longer, at least 144 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: not in the its present form, because the news just broke, 145 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: just broke yesterday or today, as we record on April eighteen, 146 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty two, when taxes are due and UH 147 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: info Wars has filed for bankruptcy. They have filed for bankruptcy, 148 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: and in court records they call themselves a conspiracy oriented 149 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: website media company. UH. They said they have fifty grander 150 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: lesson assets US dollars and somewhere between one million to 151 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: ten million dollars worth of liabilities. There were also two 152 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: other holding companies that are pleading this Chapter eleven bankruptcy. 153 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: The filing within for Wars said there's a quote substantial 154 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: likelihood that once damages are determined in the Texas case, 155 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: there I should mention there are multiple court cases in 156 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: play now that they will not have the money to 157 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: pay the Connecticut plaintiffs because they'll just they'll be straight 158 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: up out of cash, and right now it's unclear what 159 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: the bankruptcy, what the permanent effect of it will be. 160 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: On Info Wars, you can read a time about this. 161 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: It made the New York Times, made MPR, it made 162 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. But right now everybody is trying to 163 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: figure out what exactly is going to happen here. And 164 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: there are people who are saying, look, this guy is 165 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: exercising free speech, he's exercising his opinion. But if you 166 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: can make the case that there is defamation, or you 167 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: can make the case that someone is encouraging violence against 168 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: other people, that's that's a very different thing. Like in 169 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: this country, it's legal to go out and a spouse 170 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: crazy crazy views, Like it's legal to go out on 171 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: your favorite street in anywhere USA and say whatever ridiculous 172 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: stuff you want. In general, like if you go out 173 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: and you say it is my opinion that the Welsh 174 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: are the supreme version of human beings and everybody else 175 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: is terrible, well you'll be wrong first because there's not 176 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: really any basis to any kind of supremacist argument. But 177 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: then also what you're doing is legal, and if you 178 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: make a protest that is like for Welsh supremacy, I'm 179 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: just picking Welsh people here. I've never run into these views. 180 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: But if you make if you make a protest for 181 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: that there are a rally or whatever, then all you 182 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: have to have is the right permits to do so, 183 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, because then it's just like a public safety thing. 184 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: By the conversation changes. If you say, I like, encourage 185 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: violence against all people who are not Welsh, right, or 186 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: you say we're going to take whales back by attacking 187 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Buckingham Palace or something, then that's closer to a terroristic threat, right, 188 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: And this is what this is what people are arguing 189 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: about right now. I wanted to look deeper into this guy, 190 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: so I went to info Wars, which is still up, 191 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: and I just want to read this headline to you 192 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: because I thought you'd like to hear this. Did Alex 193 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Jones slash info Wars declare bankruptcy? Tune in to learn 194 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: the capital letters truth. They don't write out capital letters, 195 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: it's just you know, we're an audio podcast, so putting 196 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: that in there. Um. Their idea is that there this 197 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: is a takedown because somebody is speaking truth to the 198 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: power of the globalist agenda. Uh, and they're defending the 199 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: First Amendment. What do you guys think of that. Yeah, 200 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: chuckle there. Uh yeah, I mean I don't know, man, 201 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: Like it's all theater. I mean, you know you mentioned 202 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: Above top Secret is not the name the other side. Yeah, 203 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: and Info Wars sort of following a similar trajectory. I 204 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: wonder if that if they're sort of following the Fox 205 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: News model where they realize they can sell a lot 206 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: of like um, you know, advertising and make money if 207 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: they rile people up and become more of like a 208 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: sort of rabble rouser and sort of create contentious debate 209 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: and U stir misinformation as supposed to disinformation well whatever anyway, 210 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: But do you think that has to do with it? 211 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: Like they realized it was a money maker to go 212 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: that rat, do you think it was something? Yeah, Okay, 213 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: I absolutely think so. It's a it's a profit driven enterprise, 214 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: not in it just for funzies. With Above Secret, though, 215 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: I remember we we talked some of those guys uh 216 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: a while ago, and it you know, I didn't get 217 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: that sense at the time at least. But I haven't 218 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: been back, honestly, and this is just full disclosure. I 219 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: haven't been back to Above Top Secret in a good while. Yeah, 220 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: if you go there now it's still online and it 221 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: isn't near as politically focused. I think what happened in 222 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, especially as we get closer to 223 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: the recent presidential elections. Because Above Top Secret is like 224 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: a a community forum wherein anybody can post something, it's 225 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: easy for foreign agents of disinformation to start poisoning the well, 226 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: start tilting the conversation. This is happening every day on Twitter, 227 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: this is happening every day on Reddit. If if you 228 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: go to a place with community conversation ability, like the 229 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: capability to host community conversations, you're going to see people 230 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: trying to tilt a narrative, and they're gonna do it 231 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: in a dishonest way. And they are also for profit. 232 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: They're also paid by you know, Russia via proxies, China 233 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: via proxies, probably the US via proxies. Let's be honest, 234 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: everybody's into it. It just works super well. Um. But 235 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: if you go to Above top Secret right now, you'll 236 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: see posts that say things like Easter is a pagan holiday. 237 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: Whoever celebrates Easter is pagan and not Christian. That's a 238 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: that's one of the yeah, yeah we did uh and 239 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: it's prove me wrong. And then there's a lot of 240 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, anti Ukraine stuff there. Um, they they are 241 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: heavily politicized, uh, saying things like oh, let me just 242 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: pick one here. There's some things that are interesting, like 243 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: complex life may have started on Earth much earlier than 244 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: we thought. But then there are other things like President 245 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: Biden sees or census people who are not now our dimension. 246 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: That's based on the recent gaff he had where he 247 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: wished the speech. He's like, I'm gonna stand up to 248 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: do this. So he finishes this speech and at the 249 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: end of it he turns around to like shake someone's hand, 250 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: but there's no one there, and so he improvs it 251 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: just turns the points to the people like, ha I 252 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: got you that really happened. That guy's a charge of 253 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: nuclear was But but anyway, that's like, that's a gaff 254 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: anybody can have. We know that if you're a public figure, 255 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: or if you're in the realm of divisive things like politics, 256 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: the quote unquote other side of your opponents are definitely 257 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: gonna latch onto anything you do and try to read 258 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: the tea leaves of it. Right, Like when um, former 259 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump would trip on things. People made this 260 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: huge deal about how the guy was scared of stairs 261 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: or you know, it just goes on. And then stuff 262 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton when she was running for president, speculation 263 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: about her health as well, Like, I mean, it was 264 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: all used to malign her, especially I mean those particularly 265 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: with her. It was like very kind of sexist rhetoric 266 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: around it as well. Yeah, it gets so silly. I mean, 267 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,239 Speaker 1: consider also a speculation about health was treated with the 268 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: same level of importance as back during the administration of 269 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: former President Barack Obama. People would say, what kind of 270 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: elitist orders this mustard? He's too good for America? Why 271 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: is he wearing a suit that color communists? Stuff like that. 272 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: But so, any how, one to give you this update 273 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: here right now, there are still some things that have 274 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: to be cleared up, but this maybe the end of 275 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: info wars. We wouldn't know whether you think that's a 276 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: rightful consequence of their actions, whether that is instead as 277 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: some people are alleging, whether that is part of an 278 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: orchestrated conspiracy to take down people spetching truth to power. 279 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: Then was there ever a point where he could have 280 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: walked it back but instead down? I thought so if 281 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: that kind of thought, So, yeah, this was not his 282 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: this was not his first rodeo in this conversation. But 283 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna pause for word from our sponsors. Can't wait 284 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: to hear your views conspiracy at i heeart radio dot 285 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: com one three three stuff they don't want you to know. 286 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more strange news. And we're 287 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: back and Ben you beautifully teased the story as a 288 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: somewhat short and underwhelming car chase, um and that that 289 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: is accurate. In San Francisco, uh sfp D pulled over 290 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: a car for a routine traffic stop. It was nighttime. Uh, 291 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: this car did not have its headlights on, which we 292 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,239 Speaker 1: know is a no no. And uh police in San 293 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: Francisco stopped the car. And it happens to be an 294 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: autonomous car operated by a company called Cruise. And the 295 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: car is a General Motors designed drive or this car 296 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: And in this incredible video that it was posted on 297 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: April one, which I think maybe some people might have 298 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: thought that the audio was doctored or something because of 299 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: the date, you know, April fools. But you see the 300 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: you see the car getting pulled over, and then you 301 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: hear like just off on the side, like from the 302 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: Peanut Gallery like, ain't nobody in it? This is crazy. 303 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: It's crazy, we're living in the future. Uh. The funniest 304 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: part though, is to get back to the underwhelming car chase. 305 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: Is the car pulled over, you know as expected, um 306 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: for the flashing blue lights and all that stuff. And 307 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 1: then once the officer approached the vehicle, uh, and you know, 308 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: realized that there was nobody in the car, the car 309 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: like took off, which is the funniest part. Trevor Noah 310 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: did a bit on this and he was like, that 311 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: car took off like it had weed on it or 312 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: something like that. But to be fair, in San Francisco, 313 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: so that probably would have been okay. Um, it's like 314 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: be cool, man, be cool. But yeah, I mean then 315 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: it pulled over again, and U that's mainly the story. Uh. 316 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: There is a response from cruise personnel saying that our 317 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: A V yielded to the police vehicle then pulled over 318 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: to the nearest safe location. Um. An officer contacted cruise 319 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: personnel and no citation was issued. Okay, But I think 320 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: that the thing that I'm most interested in in this 321 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: story is obviously it's a it's a silly, goofy story, 322 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: but who gets the citation even if it was issued. 323 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: Like they say that the lights were in fact off 324 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 1: and that was due to human error, but like which human? 325 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: Like when they say human error, that they didn't go 326 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: into detail, does this mean someone back in mission control 327 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: like didn't turn the lights on? You think even cars 328 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: that you drive, like modern cars, they usually have sensors 329 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: on them that turned the lights on automatically at night. 330 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: You think a driverless car with the very least have that. 331 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: So like what human error? And and who gets the ticket? 332 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: And I know we've talked about this before terms of 333 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: like you know, if a driverless car were two kills 334 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: or injure somebody, that liability would be on the corporation 335 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: I guess or what it. I don't quite even remember 336 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: how far down that rabbit hole we went. But with 337 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: corporations being you know, for all I guess, at least 338 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: for political purposes, being treated as as humans. Like what 339 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: is the implication for this and the bigger picture? Um? 340 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: I think one take away from me is this technology 341 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: is still hilariously not ready for you know, mass rollout 342 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: because this is you know, San Francisco, it's ground zero 343 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: for this kind of stuff. Um, So they try things 344 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: out there. Um, but what's next and and and how 345 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: many more embarrassing autonomous vehicle stories are we going to 346 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: see over the example of years, We're going to see 347 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: a lot. Basically, short answer, I mean, it's something I 348 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: know that back in when the first at fault autonomous 349 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: car accident happened, it was a Google car. It was 350 00:21:54,200 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: a Google prototype and they ended up taking responsibility for this. 351 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: It was Alexis r X and it struck a public 352 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: transit bus. But it was only going like two miles 353 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: an hour, and there was there was human error involved, 354 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: but there was also software error involved because it was experimental. 355 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: But that was one of the first real world events 356 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: that prompts the conversation. It's still like going on now. 357 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: The legislation, like I always say, it is going to 358 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: take a while to catch up to the technology. In 359 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: this case, maybe it would be the the people who 360 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: own that car that tried to go on the LAMB briefly, 361 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: or the people who programmed it. If it's if it's 362 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: owned by a company, it's going to be the company, 363 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: right unless there is like a rogue human driver at 364 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the wheel. It's it's tough because that that car doesn't 365 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: have a customer yet, right, this is an experimental car, 366 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: that's correct. Yeah, there's another company called way Mo that 367 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: has also gotten sort of like a trial permission to 368 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: deploy autonomous cars. But they have a thing where like 369 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: it's basically like a novelty at this point, where it's like, oh, 370 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: I want to get a lift and a driverless car, 371 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: and in order to participate, drivers have to apply in 372 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: advance to be on a wait list and then also 373 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: a sign non disclosure agreements in order to get early access. 374 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: And you've got to imagine too that if you're doing 375 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: that through an app. I mean, I'm sure there's um, 376 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: what's the word. I'm looking for waiver type situations even 377 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: when you're getting in lift, Like you can't necessarily sue 378 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: lift if you get into an accident. I don't know what. 379 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: I don't read the fine print on all that. But yeah, guys, 380 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: don't you think there's gonna be at some point a 381 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: terms of service agreement that you have to sign in 382 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: order to get a driver's license as there's more and 383 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: more automated vehicles on the road. Oh, good point. Just 384 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: even just by participating, just by driving around, you're like 385 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: in the mix yes, Yeah, by choosing to drive, to 386 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: actively drive a vehicle, you are like removing certain rights 387 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: to sue certain companies or whatever because their system is fine. 388 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: You make the human error. Driving is not a right, 389 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: it's a privilege. That's right. And then we've we've talked 390 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: on ridiculous history about the history of the pedestrian and 391 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: the term jay walker and jay walker was a term 392 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: of abuse that was applied to pedestrians at a time 393 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: where the the the almighty automobile was really just coming 394 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: into its prominence and the infrastructure was all designed around 395 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: roadways for cars with much less focus on pedestrians. So 396 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: there was almost this like active campaign to like malign pedestrians, 397 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: and the term jay walker was thrown around that way. 398 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: I wonder. I mean, obviously, ideally all cars would be 399 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: driverless or you know, on a track or something. It 400 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: would you know, big picture, if it was done correctly, 401 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: take forever, of course, it would you know, theoretically reduce 402 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: traffic deaths. But what about the last holdout. It's like, no, man, 403 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: I still want to drive my own car. Our human 404 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: operated cars going to at some point become illegal or 405 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: require some massive, high level of insurance that will that 406 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: will price people out gadagas style. Yeah, yeah, I bring 407 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: up the jaywalking thing. There's a great car stuff episode 408 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: we did about a few years back, but I bring 409 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: it up because it's one it's very effective propaganda. You're 410 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: a fan of this show, you'll be a fan of 411 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: that story. Second, it is illustrative of how these nationwide 412 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: conversations end up happening. Usually the consumers vastly outmatched in this. 413 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: For the easy answer about who gets the ticket, this 414 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: is like, this is the very dumb answer. Okay in theory, 415 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: because driverless cars are designed to one never go over 416 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: the speed limit, to only be where they're supposed to be, 417 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: and three follow all traffic laws, your easiest, dumbest first 418 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: answer is that driverless cars will never get tickets while 419 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: they're driving themselves. Obviously that's not correct because they've got 420 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: a lot of bugs to work out. But I think 421 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: right now the legal consensus is if the owner or 422 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: the driver of the car is involved in some traffic 423 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: incident that results in a ticket and it's due to 424 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: the software, if you can prove it was due to 425 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: the software, then the manufacturers at fault, not not the 426 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: meat bag behind the wheel, got it, and this system, 427 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: you know, back to what I was driving at earlier, 428 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: would obviously be more efficient the fewer Sorry what happened 429 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: driving at you're driving at this thing? Sorry, yes, accidental 430 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: pun um, But you know what I was getting at 431 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: earlier was the idea that this system would obviously function 432 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: at the most at the highest level and the most 433 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 1: predictable level if it was like automated cars, and the 434 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 1: more variables that are introduced by you know, human driven 435 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: cars are going to throw all those calculations and systems 436 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: and sensors into a less idea fell kind of scenario. Yeah, 437 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: that's I mean, I agree, I've read this up like 438 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: in the past. To The issue is the infrastructure. If 439 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: every car is autonomous, or every vehicle is autonomous, then 440 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: barring some kind of uh coronal mass ejection event or 441 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: a widespread hack, then everything will be hunky dory, and 442 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: that would be a beautiful world for a lot of 443 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: people to live in, even though will probably mean the 444 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 1: end of an ownership society or further erosion of it. Uh. 445 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: The danger is yeah, the danger is clear. It's going 446 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: to be that transition period and there's gonna be a 447 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: you know I was thinking of. I never said this 448 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: on air, but there were There is the possibility that 449 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: there will be pockets wherein autonomous vehicles are not allowed, 450 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: and those will increasingly be known as almost like green 451 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 1: zones where humans can still drive. Like secret or secure 452 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: military installations might be part of that. Uh, there might 453 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: be some old relict populations of human driven cars in 454 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: in towns that have decided to ban things. I mean, 455 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: that's a possibility. There's a town in Michigan that bands 456 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: that still has banned cars. I believe it is. There 457 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: are all kinds of ways these things will play out, 458 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: and of course there's the looming possibility of large scale 459 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: cataclysmic war that will will make autonomous vehicles a way 460 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 1: lower priority. I hope that doesn't happen, but I I agree. 461 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: I would like to think that we're we're on the 462 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: same page with a lot of a lot of the 463 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: big thinkers in the automotive space now, which is that ultimately, 464 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: despite whatever incidents might occur, ultimately you can make a 465 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: really solid argument that streets are safer with autonomous vehicles. 466 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: But the big problem is, this is what keeps me 467 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: from going all aboard with it? Um, What if those 468 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: what if those cars all come with you know, kill 469 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: switches that can be activated by authority. Of course they're 470 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: all going to be tracked. They will essentially have to 471 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: with a large scale system. And then what if that 472 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: authority becomes an oppressive, you know, big brother regime. What 473 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: if what if we get an autonomous car system in 474 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: the US or maybe a European country, since it's so 475 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: much smaller, it probably be easier to do there. And 476 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: then they they get a dictator in power and someone 477 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: who breaks whatever democratic system they have, and now it's 478 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: impossible to protest, it might even become impossible to leave. 479 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: I mean that sounds really paranoid, because it kind of is, 480 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: But that doesn't make it something we shouldn't think about. 481 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: That's that's what freaks go. It's a good point, I mean, 482 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: because like you know, infrastructure like roads and street signs 483 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and traffic lights and all that is owned essentially and 484 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: operated by the government. Uh and if that started to 485 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: get more and more high tech, um, I would imagine 486 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: they would also own that too and operate that too. 487 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: And if a bad actor were in place, not to 488 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: mention things like hackers and all that, like you said, 489 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: then they could just co opt the whole system and 490 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: make it, you know, to whatever ideological kind of direction 491 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: they wanted it to go in back wait wait, wait, no, 492 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: you guys, we have to talk about something really fast 493 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: where we jump away from here or in the segment. 494 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: You all ever had a vehicle that has when when 495 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: you look at your lights switches off auto on? Is 496 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: that familiar to you, guys? That's what I've had, That's 497 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: what I had in my That's what I was saying, Like, 498 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: I mean, most of the newer cars are like that. 499 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: Either they have like some kind of sensor which would 500 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: be auto. I imagine um off. Why does off even 501 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: need to exist in that situation? Is that what you want? 502 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: Do you guys? Trust your vehicle enough to leave it 503 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: on auto at all times, just hoping that everything works 504 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: out and your battery never dies because your lights stayed 505 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: on for one reason, or I probably more worried about 506 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: the battery. Yeah, no, I'm with you there, Matt. It's 507 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: a good meaning trust that never will cars news will 508 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: to be don't trust him. But yeah, you know that's 509 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: a good question. Yeah, cars are slowly becoming autonomous, you know, 510 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: like cars that can park themselves. Not just parallel park, 511 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: but like drop you off at the mall if you're 512 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: one of the people who still goes to the mall 513 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: and they can find a parking spot. Cruise control is 514 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: an early autonomous quality if you think about it, it's 515 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: on the way. See, I see what you're getting at 516 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: the The human error that the company copped too could 517 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: have been anything from like it could have been a 518 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: design flaw by human error and the human that designed 519 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: the thing screwed up and did a bad job, or 520 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: it was installed incorrectly or something and it's been corrected. 521 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: But I just that's you kind of answered my question 522 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: as to like who the human in that scenario might 523 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: have been. Yeah, when when Anders last was working on 524 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: the vehicle, he just he turned the lights to off 525 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: instead auto. You know. Problem there you go, So not 526 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: a design thing necessarily literally like someone that was, you know, 527 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: cleaning it out, and I don't think you know, I know, 528 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm with you. There's there's a couple of options. But anyway, 529 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting stuff and it's it's funny how a simple 530 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: little silly story like this can easily uh a bit 531 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: of conversation. But it's something that's going to keep generating 532 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: conversation for a long time to come as we watch 533 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: this kind of fumbling process unfold. But let's take a 534 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll be back with one more 535 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: piece of strange news. All right, we're back you guys. 536 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: I was thinking about buying Twitter. You guys want to 537 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: go in on that with me? Yeah, I got five 538 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: on it. I'm but but I like so you uh 539 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: that that? Let me ask you, so Twitter has always 540 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: struggled to turn or profit. Why are you why do 541 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: you want to buy it? Well, you know, it's mostly 542 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: because I've got several billion just lying around, lot of crypto. 543 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a way to offload some of that. 544 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: And just you know, people are kind of mean to 545 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: me on there. So I was gonna say, you don't 546 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: like the way they edit your tweets? Huh, yeah, exactly exact, 547 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: Just joking, just joking. Uh, And uh, that's it for 548 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: Elon Musk jokes for the day. Let's jump to this 549 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: next story, which I have to say is somewhat confirmed. Ben. 550 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: You were able to confirm this through via someone who 551 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: sent some messages to you. Do you want to shout 552 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: that person out? Just before you even got into Yeah, yeah, yeah. 553 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: Let's do a couple a couple of quick shoutouts, most 554 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: particularly right now to Dan See or Dan Underscore set 555 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: up over on Twitter. Dan, thanks so much as a 556 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: regular commentator on my on my Twitter and on conspiracy stuff. 557 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: And he hipped me to this story, and then you know, 558 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: we kind of group minded, the three of us, because 559 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: this is this is uh okay. At first, it's really good, 560 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: really good. All right, it seems good, I think, but 561 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: there's some implications. It's all about the implications for me. Uh. 562 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: Here's here's the story that's coming to us from the 563 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: Moscow Times. It was posted today as we record, April eighteenth, Monday, 564 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: or at least it was updated last at that time. 565 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: The title is Google Maps removes blurring for Russia's military sites. 566 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna read some of this to you 567 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: and just paraphrase a bit of it. Uh. Several Russian 568 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: strategic facilities were visible to users today on Google Maps, 569 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: revealing the details of Russia's military infrastructure. There are several 570 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: searches you can make on Google Maps right now to 571 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: find images of quote, military bases, intercontinental ballistic missile launchpads, 572 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: naval facilities and key command posts all across Russia. Some 573 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: of the newly available images, still quoting Moscow Times here, 574 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: include an aircraft carrier, a nuclear weapons store near Murmansk, 575 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: submarines in come Schata, and a military air base in 576 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: the western city of Kursk. And that right there, just 577 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: that alone, knowing that this is happening and it's existing 578 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: is kind of terrifying to me in a lot of ways. 579 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: Also neat nto, but also why why I mean, I mean, 580 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: if if it's true and they did that, the implication 581 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: would be that it would be to like help Ukraine 582 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: in the war effort. Well, but okay, we're gonna get 583 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: into the bigger thing here. Because you don't have to 584 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: necessarily use Google Maps satellite imagery to help Ukraine. There 585 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: are probably better But so like what it seems like 586 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: to me, Well, I know, I hear you, but when 587 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: I think, what I think is you by using Google 588 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: you're kind of skirting around having another country helping you 589 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: out or NATO helping you out. As Ukraine. You got 590 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: a private company within the United States, But they're private company. 591 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: We're not associated with the U s military alphabetic when 592 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: we are, they really are it's like started by okay, whatever, 593 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: right exactly. I mean it's like saying that man with 594 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: the iron fist was not associated Quentin Tarantino, like he 595 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: put his name on it, but he probably did other 596 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 1: stuff anyway, whatever, That's not the best analogy. It was 597 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: just around, you know, he was just non set a 598 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: little bit not it wasn't like him all. Yeah, but 599 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: the thing is, like, the thing here is that now 600 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so glad that you're interested in this 601 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,880 Speaker 1: story as well, because yeah, you have to question the source. 602 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: There's clearly a bit of political calculus at play by 603 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: being able to say, hey, we various countries NATO, US, etcetera. 604 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: Just as you said, aren't explicitly helping who were not 605 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: turning up the boil on the pot of nuclear war 606 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: or the potential for it. But also, um, I don't 607 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: think doesn't this give a lot of power companies. I'm 608 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: just saying, like, we're getting close to the cyberpunk and 609 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: shadow run every every day. Are they supposed to know 610 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: where these sites are? Anyway? If they're like yeah, well again, 611 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: this is why it feels like military is involved in 612 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: some way or well, there's there are two things here. 613 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,120 Speaker 1: This is kind of complicated. They've got satellites. Google has 614 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: satellites that they take images of the Earth all the day, 615 00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,720 Speaker 1: all the day, all day, just going to spin around 616 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: taking pictures of the Earth, and everything that is on 617 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: the Earth can be seen. Right. What happens is a country, 618 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: a um corporation, usually a government will communicate with Alphabet 619 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: or Google, whoever it is the folks who are running it, 620 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: and we'll say, hey, there is a there are some 621 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: coordinates that we need you to blur out because it's 622 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: a matter of national security for us in ex country. 623 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of examples here. You guys can 624 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: pull them up if you want to. You can actually 625 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: see them on Google Maps. May be hard as we're 626 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: running our recording streaming recording because it messes with bandwidth. 627 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: Google Maps does that, by the way, if you didn't 628 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 1: know that. Uh, But there are a couple I pulled 629 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: up where you can look at place in Greece that's right, 630 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: and I think it's in Athens, is a military base 631 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 1: and it is fully blurred out, huge swath of land 632 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: that you can tell their buildings there and roads, but 633 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: you can't tell what anything is. It's full blurred out, Yes, exactly. 634 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: There's another one that's in France that is another military 635 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: base completely blurred out huge. It's like it looks like 636 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: a city, like almost I don't know a good portion 637 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 1: of a city that is fully blurred out. It's intense stuff. 638 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: But then if you look at the tweet that was 639 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: sent out by Ukrainian Armed Forces or Armed Forces Ukraine, 640 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: you can see some of the actual images. You can 641 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: find that right now if you search for it. You 642 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,279 Speaker 1: can just take a look at the satellite imagery and 643 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: there are clear pictures of submarines that should probably not 644 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: be seen, pictures of again military bases in Russia that 645 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: probably should not be seen, um at least by regular 646 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: old folks. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned this, because there 647 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: are also things that show an army in not batt 648 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: already shape, honestly, like cannibalizing stuff for parts, just trying 649 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: to try and to keep the larger engine of a 650 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,240 Speaker 1: military running. So if any if at the very least, 651 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of effective propaganda, right, But there's there's not 652 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 1: a real I would say, there's not any real actionable 653 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: value that's given to Ukraine from doing this, because they 654 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: would have already had access to military satellite intelligence. Um. 655 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: But there is there is one fun thing this is 656 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: related to that I want to remind you off at 657 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: the end of this, isn't it also public knowledge or 658 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: agreed upon that we are helping them with intel to 659 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 1: some degree or is that still up in the air 660 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: as to whether that's true or not. I don't know 661 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: the answer to that today on April eighteenth, I don't 662 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: know officially if NATO or the United States is helping 663 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: with military intelligence. Um well, they're definitely helping with hardware 664 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: and logistics, so intelligence would go kind of hand in 665 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,759 Speaker 1: hand with that. The big red lines are things like 666 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: sending in NATO troops to fight or sending for US 667 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: troops to fight. But giving them toys is um well, 668 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 1: and intelligence or feel like very different things to me. 669 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 1: Giving them giving them arms versus like tracking enemy troop movements, 670 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: you know, that feels like very different. I honestly don't 671 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,839 Speaker 1: know if the United States or any allies are doing that. 672 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: There was some high level, high ranking official, maybe retired, 673 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: that came out and said that we're almost definitely doing that. 674 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: Um And now I'm having a hard time finding it. 675 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: But I swear I heard it was. It was probably 676 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: someone who has now been relegated to like a you know, 677 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: high value talking head. But but someone didn't come out 678 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: and say, I think that we're doing that most likely. Well, 679 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: earlier in February Google Google shut down some of the 680 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: location tracking services within Ukraine and some of the areas 681 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: of conflict there on purpose in order to try and 682 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: pro vent people from tracking civilian movements, uh and like 683 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: where civilians were hiding and going. I know, the Wall 684 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: Street Journal said about five days ago that the Biden 685 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: administration just said they're expanding the intelligence the US is giving. 686 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,760 Speaker 1: And I know, back in March, NATO said they're stepping 687 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: up intelligence sharing, specifically on cyber attacks. So it might 688 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: be an uneven application of stuff, because you know, it's 689 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: still even when countries have common enemies, they don't have 690 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: they're not friends, they're just their coworkers for a second, 691 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: and they're they're not going to automatically give up everything 692 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,560 Speaker 1: they have because that will bite them in the ass later. Well, 693 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: and there's always obviously a line that we're not willing 694 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: to cross publicly anyway, in order to maintain some semblance 695 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,879 Speaker 1: of like, yeah, we're not like all in, but we're 696 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: definitely helping. They're not hiding that. And the rhetoric sure 697 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: as he did, you know with Biden calling um Putin 698 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: a wark, him at all In a butcher and all 699 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: that stuff. So it's certainly no mincing words. But there 700 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: there must be a line. Once you cross, then you 701 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: are now in the same line of fire as as 702 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: the country that's being attacked, and those lines shift sometimes. 703 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: Uh and Russia and the US, to be fair, have 704 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: both done that in the past. They've changed what counts 705 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: as a red line. Uh in you know, one direction 706 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,839 Speaker 1: or another. I do oh. I do want to say though, 707 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: just as a quick tangent, this reminds me of something 708 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 1: while we're talking about satellite blurry. You know, you, if 709 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: you're listening now as a private citizen, you don't have 710 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: to be a military. You don't have to be a 711 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: government or a state level actor to ask Google to 712 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: blur some stuff for you. You could get them to 713 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,800 Speaker 1: blur your house a Google street view, and I think 714 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,439 Speaker 1: you should unless you ever want to sell it, which 715 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: you shouldn't. Which you shouldn't blur it because Zillo and 716 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: all these other places linked directly to a street view 717 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,920 Speaker 1: on often then I want to take it back to 718 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: actionable intelligence. What good, seriously does a Google Maps satellite 719 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: view do for any anybody when it comes to intelligence. 720 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 1: Let's say you're looking at a satellite image on Google 721 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: Maps of of nuclear submarines or nuclear capable submarines docked 722 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: somewhere in Russia or let's say even off the coast 723 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 1: of the Crimean Peninsula. You're looking at those on Google Maps. 724 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: What does that do for you? Those submarines could be 725 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 1: docked there. Still by the time that image is updated 726 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,800 Speaker 1: and you get a new satellite image of that area, 727 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: those submarines could very well be gone, and probably would 728 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: be gone. There may be a hangar that has a 729 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: lot of airplanes or something that are you know, parked 730 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: their temporarily, but are they going to be there the 731 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: next time that satellite updates or by the time you 732 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: reach that area. I don't know. Possibly it feels like 733 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: um almost like a boast or a pr push or 734 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: just like hey, yeah, we we see your subs, We 735 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: know your subs are there, and we're gonna show everybody 736 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,960 Speaker 1: like as I don't know, some kind of play that 737 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: just that isn't actually military it's more hearts and minds 738 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, that's why. That's why again I 739 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,320 Speaker 1: think the primary, the most apparent push here is propaganda. 740 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: As you nailed it, the subs A good sub is 741 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,960 Speaker 1: not stationary, right, Uh. And so there's also but there's 742 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: there's also you know, the issue of the time interval 743 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 1: on the observation here. So Google is going to have 744 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,280 Speaker 1: a delay at least for what the public can see. 745 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:41,200 Speaker 1: But the most valuable satellite data lets you factor that 746 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,920 Speaker 1: into upcoming attacks or operations. So if you if you 747 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 1: hear claims about some you know, kick ass new kind 748 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,720 Speaker 1: of jet fighter, and then you're able to have other 749 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,080 Speaker 1: It's all about jigsaw puzzling up different pieces of intelligence, right, 750 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,360 Speaker 1: So you have signals intelligence telling you what thing is 751 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: it confirmed by human intelligence or asset on the ground. 752 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: And then can you look at this like real time 753 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: picture of a hangar, which the US can do by 754 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: the way, and a lot of NATO can as well. Uh, 755 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,399 Speaker 1: And can you see that real time picture and then 756 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,760 Speaker 1: have that moment where you go, uh, well, gee willakers 757 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: Uh these guys might attack us with some new super plane, 758 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: but it looks like they've got two of them. That 759 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: could actually fly or something like that, for example, and 760 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: then you could allocate your resources to a more worthwhile endeavor. 761 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,759 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the goal. But with this, you know, 762 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: we don't know how old the Google street View stuff 763 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: is or Google Maps excuse me, uh we again. Yeah, 764 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: that's why. That's why I'm on the same page. That's 765 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 1: why I want to kick it off like it's I 766 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 1: think it's propaganda. I mean, sure, it feels like none 767 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,759 Speaker 1: of us were able to confirm many examples of it. Actually, no, no, 768 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,280 Speaker 1: we were the person we shout it out in the beginning. 769 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: You can actually, I mean I could give you the 770 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,319 Speaker 1: I don't know how to read it, Ben, I'm sorry, 771 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: I thought I thought that wasn't wasn't that a reference 772 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: to another type of installation that was blurred, But we 773 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,280 Speaker 1: weren't able to confirm the Russian stuff. Those were examples 774 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,960 Speaker 1: of that. But the person we shout it out in 775 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,399 Speaker 1: the beginning sent us some actual coordinates on Google that 776 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: seemed to show specific locations where we're stuff Russian stuff 777 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,399 Speaker 1: is going down that we're not supposed to see. Yes, 778 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,799 Speaker 1: you can, you can head over on Twitter and check 779 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,479 Speaker 1: that stuff out, but just realize that by the time 780 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: this comes out, those if the Russian forces don't want 781 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 1: you to see a particular thing, then, like Matt said, 782 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: they're just going to move their stuff if they know 783 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: what they're doing. Except some of these are installations that 784 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,520 Speaker 1: would be pretty difficult to move because they are, you know, 785 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: built into the ground. Specifically, thinking about some of their 786 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,319 Speaker 1: missiles that are in uh silos and stuff. Well, that's 787 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: a weird one. Guys. Google is always going to exist, 788 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: I think at this point. I'm not sure how that 789 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: thing isn't too big to fail. Uh So Google will 790 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: always be watching everybody, including you right now because you're 791 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,760 Speaker 1: holding a phone or it's in your pocket, or watching 792 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,640 Speaker 1: your pants. It's there's very little light in there. But 793 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:20,520 Speaker 1: they get is that a euphemism? I like, how long? 794 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: How long before private tech company gets openly involved in 795 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 1: a hot conflict? How far away are we? Do you 796 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: think it's in our lifetime? Thing? And who watches the 797 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,799 Speaker 1: pants watchers? You know? That's what I want to know. 798 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: It'll be a meta war, and it will take place 799 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 1: within the metaverse, and it will be an uprising that 800 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: occurs against metal. Can we have a sick robot avatars 801 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: with like grabby claw hands and like laser cannons. It'll 802 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,479 Speaker 1: be it'll be a lot like Ready Player one. I think, 803 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: just cool. It tired the metaverse. All right, Well, I'm 804 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: gonna stick with Alden Ring for now. I guess this 805 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: els as long as I don't have to play that online. 806 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,960 Speaker 1: Uh yes, yes, uh, this is this is crazy stuff. 807 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: Everything we've talked about is leading to bigger situations. You know, 808 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: we want to hear from you, folks, because at least 809 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,279 Speaker 1: like every story we talked about here is either at 810 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,160 Speaker 1: the beginning or still unfinished. They haven't been resolved. We 811 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear your take. You are the most 812 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: important part of this show. 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