1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: They were looking for a sixteen year old Italian looking 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: girl for a show called Sopranos. I figured, oh, I could, 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: I could look Italian. And because of the title, I 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: assumed it was a musical because I had heard the story. 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: I never put that together that it was because Sopranos. 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Did you go in? Did you go in with a 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: song prepared? Of Well, I had tons of songs prepared 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: all the time, but I my first audition was with 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Georgian Walkin. It was just the sides, and then they 10 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: called me back to come the next day to read 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: for David Chase, and I remember at the end of 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: the audition I said to him do you need me 13 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: to sing? And he said for what? And they said 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: never right. Hi everybody, my name is Jamie Lindseigler. You 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: probably know me best as Meato soprano from the Sopranos. 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: And you're listening to Off the Beat. Yes, they are 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Jamie listening to Off the Beat. Hello everybody, and welcome 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: to the highlight of my Tuesday every week hanging out 19 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: with you guys here on Off the Beat. I am 20 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,559 Speaker 1: your host, Brian Baumgartner. Do I sound excited today? I'm 21 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: sure that I sound excited because, as you just heard 22 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: in studio today, I have Jamie Lynn Siegler. She played 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: Meadow soprano on my all time favorite television show, The Sopranos, 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: and I'm lucky enough to call her a friend. And 25 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: I just did. I called her a friend. Jamie Lynn, 26 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: of course, has done so much more than just being 27 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: in the greatest show of all time. First of all, 28 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: she has been acting almost her entire life since she 29 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: was a little it in musicals and then on Broadway. 30 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: And she was, in fact so entrenched in the musical 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: world that, as you just heard, when she auditioned for 32 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: The Sopranos, she thought it was a musical, genuinely thought 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: that they were gonna, I don't know, sing about drug 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: deals and breaking fingers. How does that go? Fuckget about it, 35 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: forget about it. I don't know anyway we're gonna get 36 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: into that story and of course lots more. All right, 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop dilly dallying. I feel like someone someone's 38 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna put a hit out on me if I don't 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: start the episode soon. So here we go. Here she 40 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: is Jamie Lenn Sigler, Bubble and squeak. I love it. 41 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Bubble and squeak, Bubble and squeaker cookie every month, left 42 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: over from the nut Pole. What's happening? Hi, Brian, how 43 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: are you? I'm so good. How are you? I'm good? 44 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: Thank you? Oh my god, it's been so long. I mean, 45 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: do you remember the last time that I saw you? 46 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: Was it in New York? I mean, that's a good guess. 47 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I went back to New Year's Eve in Miami. But 48 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: has it been that long that I was trying to 49 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: reconstruct why we were even there, who I was with. Yeah, 50 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: I've spent many a New Year in Miami, so maybe 51 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 1: that's more of a conundrum for you to figure out. 52 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: I was definitely a frequent er of Miami for New 53 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: Years for a while. Oh my gosh, Well, it's so 54 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: good to see you. Where are you right now? I 55 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: am in a Querque, New Mexico working on a show 56 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: called Big Sky. I'm very We're going to talk about that. 57 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: I'm very show um, but I have to have to 58 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: come clean about something. I'm a COVID cliche. What does 59 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: that mean? I got a dog? Okay, I didn't have 60 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: a baby. I didn't have another baby, but I got 61 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: a dog, right, Like that was the thing. To do 62 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: and my favorite show songs. One my favorite show that 63 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 1: I've never been involved in is The Sopranos. And I 64 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: got a chocolate lab during COVID three guesses of the 65 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: chocolate labs name. It's female, Okay, Meadow, Meadow, Meadow, Really, 66 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: Meadow is my baby chocolate lab named in honor of 67 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: kind of you, I guess, I mean definitely you. Honestly, 68 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: there's no you know, you could have named or Carmela, 69 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: and it could have been maybe Carmela soprano other thing, 70 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: but I guess Meadow is a name that really it's 71 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: only Meadow Soprano. Right, there's no other real there is 72 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: no and and and in fact, the name, like I 73 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: guess it, it has like a residence of like Hippienus 74 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: or something like if you just ignore the fact that 75 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: Meadow Soprano existed and you were like Meadow, it would 76 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: be like, well, sort of like rains like ray Wills, 77 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: like sort of this hippie ish nature. But no, not anymore, 78 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: not anymore, quite the opposite. No, it's not all right. 79 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that. But I kind of 80 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: want to take you back back, like way back to 81 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: where you started. You grew up in New York. Yes, 82 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: on Long Island, on Long Island at Jericho, to be specific. 83 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: As I understand, Yes, So at what point did you 84 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: decide that you wanted to be an actor or that 85 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: you wanted to pursue this UM. I was about seven 86 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: or eight when I realized I really enjoyed musical theater. 87 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I thought this is what I'm 88 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: gonna do with my life. But while some of my 89 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: friends were getting serious about tennis or you know, other 90 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: sports or activities, I just loved performing on stage. I 91 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: loved watching musicals, I loved UM performing in them. So 92 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: I just was on the community theater circuit on Long Island. 93 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: Like anytime there was a show like Sound of Music 94 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: or Fiddler in the Roof that had any kids, I 95 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: was auditioning for it, and UM got to become part 96 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: of a family of this theater that in Bethpage that 97 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: was called Plaza Playhouse and then turned into Cultural Arts 98 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: Playhouse later UM a few years down my change management. 99 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: But I, from the ages of eight years old till 100 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: eighteen performed in that theater multiple times a year, like 101 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: it was my home away from home, and I loved it, 102 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: and I would say probably when I was around thirteen, 103 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: I got my first opportunity to do a professional national 104 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: tour of a music and that's when my parents were like, okay, 105 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: so if this is something you really want to do, 106 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, let's talk about it. Do we need to 107 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: get to an agent, do we need to get you 108 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: a manager. You have to understand the commitment. They were 109 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: very strict in that if my grades dropped at all, 110 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: I couldn't do this anymore, because they didn't know how 111 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: long this would last. I was such a kid, and 112 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: no one in my family was involved in show business 113 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: by any means, so this was new to everybody. So 114 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: I made the commitment. I did the tour. My grades 115 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: didn't dropped. In fact, I even learned my half tora 116 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: for my bot Mitzvah online by sending cassette tapes back 117 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: and forth to my cantor. I was very committed. Okay, 118 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: but you booked this national tour without an agent. I 119 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: had like there was like a long island agent that 120 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: would every once in a while get you an audition 121 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: in the city for something. I never got it, but 122 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: you know, it was fun to go. But that was 123 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: the first time where I was like, oh, okay, you 124 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: know I'm going to be actually making money. I have 125 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: to leave town, you know, I have to really commit 126 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: to this. And then after that I got an actual manager, 127 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: an agent, and started auditioning more professionally. Okay, what was 128 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: that show? It was It's a Wonderful Life the musical. 129 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that? Is that a class? Of course 130 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: you haven't. I think I was the only time. I 131 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: think it came and wet, But I played young Mary, 132 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: and then I played his daughter, not the little one, 133 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: Janey maybe or something like that. It was so I 134 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: wasn't Zuzu. I was too old for Zuzu. Okay. So 135 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: then you started auditioning for theater or for theater? Uh, 136 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: you know, I would go for shoals here and there. 137 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: But I remember at the time, you know, this was 138 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: a different time in the business where they were very 139 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: much like is she all American? Is she Latina? And 140 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: I was such a mix of things. You know. My 141 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: dad is from Brooklyn, He's Jewish, Greek, Romanian. My mom's 142 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Cuban and Spanish, and so I couldn't ever fit in 143 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: a box. So I just really focused on musical theater 144 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: because I just didn't think film or television would ever 145 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: work for me because I never went anywhere for me 146 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: any of the auditions, I never got any traction. And 147 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: so then when Sopranos came along, I was sixteen. I 148 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: feel like you know this story, probably, but all I 149 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: heard was they were looking for a sixteen year old 150 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: Italian looking girl for a show called Sopranos. I figured, oh, 151 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: I could, I could look Italian. And because of the title, 152 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: I assumed it was a musical because I had heard 153 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: the story. I never put that together that it was 154 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: because Sopranos. Yeah, did you go in? The song prepared? 155 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: Of well, I had tons of songs prepared all the time, 156 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: but I my first audition was with Georgian Walkin. It 157 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: was just the sides, and then they called me back 158 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: to come the next day to read for David Chase, 159 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: and I remember at the end of the audition I 160 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: said to him do you need me to sing? And 161 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: he said for what? And they said, never mind because 162 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: that was a lot. But then he did actually have 163 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: metal sing in the show. I think he maybe you 164 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: know or something that well that was for you? Right? 165 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: Was that was that really you singing? That was you 166 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: that's amazing. I just went back and watched it again, 167 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: the whole thing, the whole thing start to finish. So 168 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: I hear you just went and watched it the first time. 169 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Is this true? You didn't watch it when it was out. No, 170 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: I think for a lot of reasons. You know, I 171 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: was a self critical teenage girl, and also we were 172 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: filming it and it was airing, and I was young, 173 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: and it just I just didn't do it. And then 174 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: as I got a little older, I felt like I 175 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: needed the space. I I just I didn't want to 176 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: watch it and not enjoy it. And whether that was 177 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: the right decision or not, I'm actually glad I did 178 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: it that way because watching it for the first time 179 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: in as a thirty nine year old woman and having 180 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: a more greater understanding of the world and appreciation for 181 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: acting and the people that I was with, I really 182 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: was able to enjoy it as an audience member as 183 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: opposed to somebody that was so close to it. There 184 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: was enough space, right, Yeah, it's interesting. I do you 185 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: watch other things? You do? No? Not a lot. Okay, 186 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: so I don't either. I've always felt sort of the 187 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: same way, like I can't change it. Now, what if 188 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: they chose a take I specifically did not want, like 189 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing I can do, whereas you know in theater, 190 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: you come from theater. I feel like it's like if 191 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: if I had the opportunity to watch every performance that 192 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: I ever did, even shows I did a hundred times, 193 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: I would watch it right after because the next day 194 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: you have a chance to go back and do it again, 195 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: that's right, and find more and find better. Yeah, so 196 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: I I don't either, because it's and I don't know. 197 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: It also sort of feels I don't know, like I 198 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: get it. Yes, I understand, it's just like it feels 199 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: weird to sit back and like, let me let me 200 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: watch what I did you know? Yes, no, totally. I 201 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: will tell you The Office was different for me. We 202 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: watched it as a cast when it was first starting. 203 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: How could you not, though, I feel like you guys 204 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: had to just watch it and enjoy each other and like, 205 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: because I think part of the appeal of Office, I mean, 206 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: obviously it's like a great comedy and all of you 207 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: are just at the top of your game and it's 208 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: so amazing. But what I really enjoyed about it as 209 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: well was it looked like you guys were having the 210 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: best time ever. And maybe that's as an actor just 211 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: knowing like, oh my god, that's just got to be 212 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: the most fun job. Yes, I mean that that may 213 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: be part of it. I mean there were practical things, 214 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: you know, we were we were so sort of slow 215 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: off the gate, you know, it took I just did 216 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the math recently. It was something like seventeen months where 217 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: we had shot six episodes. Gosh, so by the time 218 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: it came out, we were literally on hold waiting to 219 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: see if we were coming back, and we had nothing 220 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: better to do. So, Yeah, we would go to each 221 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: other's houses every Tuesday or Thursday nights and we would 222 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: watch it together because it was like, well, we'll probably 223 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: never get to do this again. I mean, that may 224 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: have been part of it. And we had so much 225 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: Like you said, we had so much fun and we 226 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: really enjoyed the show. But what a difficult thing for you. 227 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, as one of the only kids on the show, 228 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: especially with so many big and experienced personalities. Was that 229 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: was that a challenge work wise? You know, at the 230 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: time I would have said no, But in hindsight, I 231 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: can look back. I actually just had this conversation with 232 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: Robert Eiler, who played a j on the show. Where 233 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: you're kind of blessed at that age, especially when you're 234 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: a theater kid. You're like used to hanging with adults, 235 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: You're used to doing things that aren't necessarily kid things, 236 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: so you kind of just like fake it till you 237 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: make it. You say you're good, you've got it. I 238 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: think I was really bolstered and supported by Jim and 239 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: Eatye in a lot of our scenes, and they made 240 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: me feel really safe and comfortable and pushed me when 241 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: they needed to gently um. But I was a people pleaser. 242 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: I was like a kid that just wanted to be 243 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: validated that I was doing a good job. And so 244 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: that's why I say, in hindsight, I can look back 245 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: and it was it was probably harder than I even 246 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: realized because of I felt a lot of pressure. But 247 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: I used to marvel at Robert because he never cared. 248 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: He always he never He wasn't that type of actor 249 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: kid where he felt like I probably did a good 250 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: job and he didn't need to hear it, you know. 251 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: For me, I was I was so afraid all the time, 252 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: and I felt my first day of work on the pilot, 253 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: I mean It was really my first time ever on 254 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: a set. They had the stand ins rehearsing with the camera, 255 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: and I got scared. I thought, well, what is this 256 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: not really yet? Like is this girl maybe doing it too? Like? 257 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: I was so green. I was so green. I had 258 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: no idea of anything. But I didn't let on. I 259 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: didn't say a word. I just kind of kept it 260 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: in and panicked myself and until I figured, you know, 261 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: how everything works. So I would say the first year 262 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: or two was really hard for me, But in that moment, 263 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have said it was right. I mean, in 264 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: thinking back, having just watched it, I guess a lot 265 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: of yours, a lot of your work, especially early on, 266 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: was kind of the quadrant kind of the family, you know. 267 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't at least just around those people. I just 268 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: can imagine as a sixteen seventeen year old girl those 269 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: scenes later on with like seventeen twenty seven, you know, 270 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: older experienced men with huge personalities. That had to be 271 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: a challenge, you will. Jim was really careful with me. 272 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: I think one of the things I loved most about 273 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: my relationship with Jim is that contrary to how I 274 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: am now, where I'm very comfortable being vulnerable and open 275 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: with who I am and what I'm feeling and just 276 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: with life in general. I wasn't that way then, but 277 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: he knew, He always knew where I was at without 278 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: me having to say it, and so he could always 279 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: kind of support me in that way. And I remember 280 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: when we were shooting the college episode. You know, it 281 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: was my first really big episode, and it was a 282 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: lot of dialogue and it was a lot of stuff, 283 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: and he really literally and figuratively held my hand through 284 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: all of it. I remember our first scene of that 285 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: episode was when I asked him if he was in 286 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: the Mafia. We did an entire day in the car 287 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: of all the car driving stuff, and he was really 288 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: proud of me, and he was really encouraging, and no 289 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: one was in the car because we were on a trailer, 290 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: so the director, you know, we're talking everybody through a 291 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: walking and I remember he held my hand literally at 292 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: the end of one take because they were like, okay, 293 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: we can move on, and he looked at me, goes, Jamie, 294 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: is there anything else you feel like you want to do? 295 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, well, what do you mean. He's like, 296 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: you can ask for another take. You can ask if 297 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: you want to try something else, you're and I was, 298 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: and I didn't know that I was able to do that. 299 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: And through that whole episode, he really taught me my 300 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: worth and how to you know, speak up for myself 301 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: and how to like how film worked really and the 302 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: collaborative experience of it all and not you're not just 303 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: like this puppet that shows up and you're like, oh, 304 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: I did what you wanted, okay, Like he he really, um, 305 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: he really taught me a lot, and I took that 306 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: with me. I think through you know, the whole season, 307 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: and like you said, I mean, most of my stuff 308 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: the first couple of seasons was really with the core 309 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: family and especially with him, and I owe so much 310 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: of everything to him and what he you know, he 311 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: but he wasn't like a preachy guy or he wasn't 312 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: like taking on the role like I gotta teach you 313 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: the ways. He just always did it at the perfect 314 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 1: moment right by the way, maybe your work is spectacular, 315 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: maybe the greatest episode in the history of sopranos as well, 316 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: So that's that's great to hear. Your relationship with him 317 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: good throughout always. I mean, we all had our stuff 318 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: going on personally, I mean it's ten years. You know, 319 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: we all had a lot of ups and downs and stuff. 320 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, he just was the 321 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: guy that like he wasn't overbearing, but like he just 322 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: he just had a pulse on like when to check in, 323 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: when to ask. I was diagnosed with MS in the 324 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: middle of the show, and I didn't tell anyone, and 325 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: he just like knew something was wrong. I remember it 326 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: was during the time when I can't remember what season 327 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: it is, maybe four or five, when Tony's in the 328 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: coma and you know, he's laying down sleeping basically all day. 329 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: It was said, and I had done to seed it. 330 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: I was like sitting out in the hospital hallway and 331 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: he came out behind me and he like put his 332 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: big hand on my shoulder and he's like hey, I'm 333 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: like yeah, He's like are you okay? And I just 334 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: started crying because they just I couldn't lie to him. Remember, 335 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: he just took me over and you know, we had 336 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: a long talk and he was just he was that 337 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: guy to everybody. Though everybody on that show could have 338 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: had that story with him. You know, like I said, 339 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: we all had stuff going on, but he really unnecessarily 340 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: took on the role as like the head of that 341 00:19:55,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: show and really looked out for everybody. So I gotta 342 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: tell you a story. Yes please, my favorite show. He 343 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: I think gave the greatest performance in the history of 344 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: television and a dramatic role. Just I could not be 345 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: a bigger fan. And uh, there was a period of 346 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: time I was playing poker. I played poker quite a 347 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: bit back in the old days. We're going to Miami. 348 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: We're going to Miami, and yeah, exactly for New Year's 349 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: and I gave it up. Basically this is I get 350 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: a note from my publicist said, I know you've given 351 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: up poke. You know there's all these charity poker things 352 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: and these excuses to go play poker. And she said, 353 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: James Gandelfini is hosting a charity poker event for the 354 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: l A Firefighters. And I said, what time do I 355 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: show up? And I come in to this poker thing 356 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: and I get my assignment at a table and he's 357 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: sitting next to me. We're sitting at the table number one. 358 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how I got the invite to be 359 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 1: at table number one or sitting next to him, but 360 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: there there I am. So the first thing that strikes 361 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: me because he's so real, was so real, unbelievable to me. 362 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: He doesn't know how to play poker. He doesn't know 363 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: how to play Texas holds him. I'm going, you know, 364 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: my brain is like just swear. My brain is exploding, 365 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: like you guys never played car. I mean I didn't 366 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,719 Speaker 1: say anything out loud. I'm like, oh, yes, here, let 367 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: me help you, sir. And so we go back and forth, 368 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: and he's betting really crazy, you know, I mean, it's 369 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: all fake money. And he gets busted out immediately and 370 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: he just sits there and we continue to chat. Anyway, 371 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: A little bit later, I bust out and I stand 372 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: up to leave, and he stands up with me, and 373 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: he you talked about his his giant pol He puts 374 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: his arm around me, on my shoulder, and we turn 375 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: around and immediately there's like playing playing playing playing playing 376 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 1: playing people taking picture that you know, guys who are 377 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: hired for the event. And he turns to me and 378 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: very casually, very much you know, in my mind, like 379 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: the show. He says, um, you want to get out 380 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: of here and get a drink, And I was like, 381 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: this is your event, but okay, okay, we go next 382 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: door and we sit there for over two hours while 383 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: this charity event is happening next door, and we talk 384 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: about art, and we talk about the sopranos, and we 385 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: talked about the office. Now he was there was a 386 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: possibility when Steve Carrell left that he was going to 387 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: come on and do the show, and so there was 388 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 1: some conversation about that, Like he was really asking me 389 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: questions of out, you know, myself and what had become 390 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: my identity and worries about typecasting and what you know. 391 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: This is like right when the show was ending, like 392 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: what I want to do now and how I want 393 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: to define myself? Like basically the most incredible first date 394 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: that could have existed for me. And he is about 395 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: to go on a trip to Europe. We exchange information. 396 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: His car pulls up and I will never ever forget 397 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: he's standing there by the car and he turns around. 398 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: He goes, we're gonna go to Chateau mar Mom, you 399 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: want to come? And honestly, Jamie, where my brain went 400 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: was I felt like a young woman on a first 401 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: date that the date had gone really well and I 402 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: didn't want to screw up the date, and I didn't 403 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 1: want to I didn't want to. I didn't want the date. 404 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: I didn't want to say, well, I didn't want to 405 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: put out or I didn't want to like screw something 406 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: up or whatever. And you know, he had a young child. 407 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: I had a young child. And I said, no, no, 408 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go home. But you know, i'll see you 409 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 1: when you're back from Europe. I looked this morning. I 410 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: texted him in about a month later. I didn't know 411 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: how long he was going. I texted him. I still 412 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: have it on my phone. You know how nice it 413 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: was to meet him and when he was back and 414 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: we can either get the kids together or not and 415 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: have a drink, and um he died that week. Yeah, 416 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: it was the greatest thing for me to have that 417 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,239 Speaker 1: experience and also like the most heartbreaking thing because I 418 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: thought this was just the beginning. This was just the beginning, 419 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: and then it just all ended too soon. And I 420 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: can't imagine how that must have been for you during 421 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: that time. Thanks for sharing that story. I loved hearing it. 422 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 1: And it's like that conversation you're telling me you guys had, 423 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: like I know those though, they're so special because he's 424 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: soap when he talks to you He's so present, you know, 425 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: and he really he really cared about people, and he 426 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: was really interested, and he always asked questions. You never 427 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: felt like he was just doing it for conversation. Somebody 428 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: that like nothing was ever wasted, Everything was really intentional. 429 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: And so what a special moment you got to have 430 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, yeah, his loss. I mean, obviously personally 431 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: it was completely devastating, but I think I share in 432 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: just a feeling with so many people, like people that 433 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: knew him briefly like you, or people that didn't know 434 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: him at all. He had such an impact on all 435 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: of us, and we had such admiration for him and 436 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: his talent and his like humanness. It was just I 437 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: was pregnant. I was eight and a half months pregnant 438 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: when he passed, and the last time I saw him, 439 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: I was like four or five months pregnant. I got 440 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: to tell him that I was a baby and all 441 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and I just he was more 442 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: proud of me than if I had told him I 443 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: had gotten like a Spielberg movie like. He was just 444 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: so happy that I was having a family and that 445 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: I was happy. That's all he ever cared about was 446 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: if you're happy, and Um, him passing was also just 447 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: like a finality of so many things, you know, of 448 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: Like the funeral itself was like you would like for 449 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: a king, you know what I mean, Like there was 450 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: in a private room for his family and the Sopranos cast, 451 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: like we were in there with his family before the funeral, 452 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, to say our private goodbyes, and it's just 453 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,719 Speaker 1: I guess, you know, shows the relationship like we all 454 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: had with him. And it was very surreal because if 455 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: you think about the show, I mean, each year you'd 456 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: come in for your wardrobe fitting and you'd have a 457 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: rack of black clothes because there was guaranteed to be 458 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,120 Speaker 1: an number of funerals that everyone had to attend within 459 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: the Sopranos, and so to kind of be there and 460 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: there we all are, you know, dressed in black, standing together, 461 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: hugging each other, it was just yeah. I mean, you know, 462 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: I get to still talk to his son every once 463 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: in a while. And Deborah his wife, and she just 464 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 1: actually after the commercial air, recently sent Robert and I 465 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: a picture of their daughter, who was only a little 466 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: over a year when he passed. Um, she looks so 467 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: much like him. The Sopranos itself is just like this thing. 468 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel that way with The Office too. 469 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: It's like it's never going away. And I love that, 470 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: like it's it's you know, even conversations like this, it's 471 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: just warms my heart because I love talking about him 472 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: and I'll never, never not want to talk about him 473 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: or that time. And it's really rare to get to 474 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: be part of something like that that people still care 475 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: about so much. That is interesting. Idn't really thought to 476 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 1: discus stet with you, but yeah, these two shows that 477 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: we had the opportunity to be involved with, they are 478 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: not going away. There's almost no parallels in a way 479 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: to other shows. There's there's almost no precedent, right, And 480 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't say that from a place of self importance, 481 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: but in terms of not only you know, what I 482 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: consider to be the quality of these two shows, but 483 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: how groundbreaking they were and how much they change television. 484 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't you can't do that 485 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: very often. Yeah. One of the things I think that 486 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: people don't talk enough about the Sopranos, and I think 487 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: really is so important to it and to the form 488 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: of dramatic television, is how funny the show is Yeah. 489 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: I think that what that does is it really humanizes 490 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: people because people are funny, right like in real life, 491 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: And not that you have to be funny in every show, 492 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: but I mean in the Sopranos, everybody was funny in 493 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: a way, and so you you feel that humanity so 494 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: much more. I think, wow, yes, that's beautiful. Yes, you're 495 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: absolutely right. And I did actually have that when I 496 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: started watching it. I remember saying to some friends of mine, like, 497 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how funny the show was. I laughed 498 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: a lot, a lot. Yeah, yeah, and not just it 499 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: like Pauli Walnuts or whatever, but there's a I mean 500 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: in a way, oh now I'm really going deep trying 501 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: to make this connection, but like in a way almost 502 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: office asking away, because a lot of times it is 503 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: like a look or like a response to a bad 504 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: joke or a like, but it just gives that, I 505 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: don't know, just that humanity. One time I remem it 506 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: was like the first episode that Michael Imperioli had written, 507 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: and I was doing this scene where there was like 508 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: some family barbecue and I came in I needed like 509 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: a cake pan, and then I have this moment with 510 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: Steamy's character blah blah blah. And Michael was behind the 511 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: monitor because he was the writer of that episode. And 512 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: after we finished a take and they were coming to 513 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: you know, reset the set, and he came up and 514 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: he goes, you're really funny in this scene. And I 515 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: was like, I am. I wasn't trying to be. He's like, 516 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: I know, that's why you really funny and missed you 517 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: and I remember. But there were moments like in Olivia's 518 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: funeral when Janice is giving that ridiculous speech and we're 519 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: all standing there and she plays like the Rogers and 520 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: hammerstony like music and it was hilarious. We always were 521 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: laughing on that set. We were always having a blast. 522 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: So um. But you're right, like Christopher, Olivia, like all 523 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: the characters were funny, Carmela, everyone was funny. Yes, everyone 524 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: was funny. And I think that there is something I mean, 525 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: even just situations right, like a situational comming. Not that 526 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: it's a sitcom place, but like I mean the episode 527 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, where the idea that he's 528 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: taking his daughter on a college tour and then suddenly 529 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: there is someone that he may have to deal with. 530 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: I mean, just even that idea is there is something 531 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: sort of funny, I guess in a way, yeah, yeah, yeah, 532 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: Well that's David. I mean David's mind and way of storytelling. 533 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: He's not afraid to show every side of a character. 534 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: And I think that that, you know, allowing characters to 535 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: be heavily flawed and like make them really full and 536 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: well rounded. And I guess, in turn, then allows them 537 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: to be all of the sides of themselves. You know 538 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: totally when you watched it found it funny. Was there 539 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: any other impressions that you had? Yeah, you know, I 540 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: gave myself a little patter in the back, being like, 541 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: you did a good job, Jamie, Like you know you 542 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: were you had no I you had no clue what 543 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: you were doing. Like I didn't go to acting school, 544 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: Like I literally had no idea what I was doing. 545 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: So I I had a moment of like appreciating myself, 546 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: which is rare as an actor or just as a human, 547 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: and I like allowed, really allowed myself to do that, 548 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: and just you know, then I got it. I knew 549 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: people cared about the show, I knew how big the 550 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: show was. I mean I got to experience everything that 551 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: we did, and I hear the way people speak about it, 552 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: but I got it. I was like, oh, yeah, this 553 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: was an incredible television show and I'm so lucky. I 554 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: always felt lucky, but I just really like embodied that. Yeah. Um, 555 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: when you're filming the end of The Sopranos, did you 556 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: have a sense of what it meant for you filming 557 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: that last scene? Because you didn't, I didn't know you 558 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: play a hugely frustrating well no, but I mean like 559 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: a hugely important role in the dramatic build up of 560 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 1: that scene. Well, because you're waiting for her to get 561 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: in there because you think nothing, something's going to happen 562 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: before she gets in there. Once she gets in there, 563 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: and then all of that leading up to what's going 564 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: to happen when she gets there, you never know. Yes, Yes, 565 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: the moment I'm referring to is yes, Meadow, I'm sure not. 566 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: Jamie Meadow has a really difficult time parking the car, 567 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: and I will say, it's very difficult to park badly. 568 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: It was hard to He's keep hitting the curb and stuff. 569 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: You know, it was frustrating by the frustration you you 570 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: felt Meadow going through was my genuine frustration. But I 571 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: was there in a completely different day when they were 572 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: inside shooting there on the same day. Really, yeah, they 573 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: shot all of that another day, but you came in. No, 574 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: I just opened the door and you're right there. But 575 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: they weren't in there. They weren't in there. M That 576 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: was actually the very last role, like roll of film 577 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: was me running there and opening the door through like 578 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: they had kegs of beer. Like, yeah, that was the 579 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: very last thing the whole series shot. Well, you heard 580 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: you heard it here first. I'm disappointed they weren't there. 581 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:34,240 Speaker 1: Damn it. That's all right. That was David Chase's fault. 582 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: When the show ended, you have you haven't seen the show, 583 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: but you must know and feel what a big deal 584 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: that this is for people and yourself. I mean, you 585 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: spent ten years years with these people on the show. 586 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: How was that when it ended? Well, I mean I 587 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: think there was equally levels of like excitement of kind 588 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,359 Speaker 1: of like what's next and deep sadness because we had 589 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: just gotten so used to just knowing we were just 590 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: going to see each other again, and we didn't know 591 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: what this meant for anybody that was twenty six at 592 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: the time. So I think I was also at this 593 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: time in my life where I wanted to kind of 594 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,920 Speaker 1: explore and make mistakes and figure out who I was 595 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: because I was sixteen and on that show, like everything 596 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: was very safe for me, and I just felt like 597 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: I needed to be in my twenties a little bit. 598 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: So right when the show ended, I went on a 599 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: birthright trip to Israel, and then I moved to Los Angeles, 600 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: and then I had a hard time in the beginning auditioning. 601 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't see I think. I think it was like 602 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: partially me but partially other people not being able to 603 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: see me as anything but Meadow. Like I was going 604 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: out for a lot of sitcoms and multicams and I 605 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: would always get to test at the network and then 606 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: the feedback would be like, I just can't see her 607 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: as funny. And so I went through a couple of 608 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: years of growing pains of figuring that out. And during 609 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: that time I was very lucky because Entourage had invited 610 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: me on to do a guest spot, and then I 611 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: ended up staying for a season and a half, and 612 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: it was this kind of cool transition for me to 613 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 1: play myself but on the channel and the medium and 614 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: probably a lot of the same crossover audience of people 615 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: that knew me as Meadow, so we can still talk 616 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: about Meadow, but I could kind of let her go 617 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: a little bit, and it was just really fun job that, 618 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: you know, was I'm very grateful, so grateful to Doug 619 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: Ellen that he gave me that opportunity and kept me 620 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 1: on as long as he did, because I think otherwise 621 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 1: it would have been even harder. But then I actually 622 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,479 Speaker 1: took kind of like I worked a little here and there, 623 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: but I kind of took some time off to a 624 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: figure out if I still really love acting, because I 625 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: think when you start as a young kid, sometimes you 626 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: have those moments of like why am I doing this? 627 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: Is this just because I don't want to fail and 628 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: I want to keep proving that i've I can do this, 629 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: or do I really want to? And so I had 630 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: my kids, and then I went into an acting class, 631 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: a brand new acting class with the brand new teacher. 632 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: Everyone was like eighteen or nineteen. I was like the 633 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: old lady in the class. And every week I loved 634 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: it because I would fail. I would like funk up 635 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: so bad and I but I was allowed to because 636 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: I was on sopranos. I felt like I had this 637 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: reputation to hold up to, and I couldn't take any 638 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: chances and I played it safe, but they didn't want 639 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: to be wrong and I was. I was so protected 640 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 1: on that show and now I was like scared. So 641 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: going into a class for a year really allowed me 642 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: to fall in love with acting again but also kind 643 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: of learned how to act as an adult. And so 644 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: from that that those ten years, it was like a 645 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: lot of ups and downs until I kind of found 646 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: my new love for it, like I said, in kind 647 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: of new stride again. But that's this business, you know. 648 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: I remember my manager has always said to me, like 649 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: everyone gets invited back to the party, like just take 650 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: just keep focused, keep happy with your family, you know, 651 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: under like understand what's important in life. Work hard and 652 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's hard. My first job was like 653 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,080 Speaker 1: the biggest show in the world, you know, and like 654 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: to start off like that, it's a lot of outcomes 655 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: are possible. Well, that is an amazing manager number one, Like, oh, 656 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: he's the best, like for for real, like to give 657 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: you that and that is that's an amazing lesson that 658 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: you talked about being afraid to fail because of success 659 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: that you have and the idea that potentially a person 660 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: who's had some success us now has to play it 661 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: safe because of the success that they've had, because they 662 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: don't want anything to sort of mar that and not 663 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: be bold. And I see the pressure in that, I 664 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: guess is what I'm saying. And that is so amazing 665 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: that you went back and said I'm gonna take this 666 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: class with eighteen year olds and fuck them. Um yeah, 667 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: that's awesome. Yeah, I mean it wasn't easy, but it was. 668 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, I can look back and and have a 669 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: great appreciation for it. And like you said, I have 670 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: a great manager and I've tried to quit so many 671 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: times and he's just like, okay, i'll call you in 672 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: a little And also I think I was testing the 673 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: waters of you know, you kind of don't even realize 674 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: you're doing it. You're like, I'm gonna quit, and you 675 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: want to see if like you're doing them a favor, 676 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 1: and they'll be like, okay, Like I get it. You know, 677 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: it's really exactly You're great, we love you. I'll call 678 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: you on your birthday. But I think you know it's 679 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 1: in this business. I mean, as much as we don't 680 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: want to feel like validation is important to us. I mean, 681 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: you need to know people believe in you, because there's 682 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,719 Speaker 1: so many ups and downs and there. It really is 683 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: important to have just a few people that you know 684 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: remind you and keep you going. Well. You mentioned before 685 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: you got diagnosed with MS while you were working on 686 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: the Sopranos and you didn't tell anyone for fifteen years. 687 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: Why did that have to do with the business. Yeah, yeah, 688 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: I had to do with the business. It had to 689 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: do with my own acceptance of it. And I should 690 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: say that everything that we just talked about MS played 691 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: a very heavy role in that as well, because as 692 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,240 Speaker 1: years went by, as the disease progressed, as I became 693 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 1: more limited, and only until very recently have I been 694 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: able to label myself as disabled, it was very hard 695 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: for me to say that or accept that. Um I 696 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 1: hit it and I just assumed that no one would 697 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: hire me with MS, and I wouldn't blame them. I 698 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: think I also had to really understand what this disease 699 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: meant for me and my life, like how it manifested, 700 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: how it limited me, because to keep up with the 701 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: lies that I was telling to cover up why I 702 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: couldn't run, and then why I kind of had a 703 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: little bit of a limp, you know why I couldn't 704 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,520 Speaker 1: wear high heels, like I couldn't keep up with with 705 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: it until I figured out what this disease meant for me. 706 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: And I've been knock on wood stable for the last 707 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: ten years, so I've been able to really understand. I've 708 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: been able to kind of get a hold on the 709 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: disease halted. It still limits me in a lot of ways, 710 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: but it's allowed me to feel more confident and concentrate 711 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: more on acting as opposed to my physicality and having 712 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: to cover something up. But I think a lot of 713 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: it came from two of me just always wanting to 714 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 1: be the good girl, not a burden, not a problem. 715 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: And I had a lot of guilt and shame about 716 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: having a mess because I felt like, I'm sorry I'm 717 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: coming here with this, I'm sorry that this is what 718 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: I have. And after I had my first son, when 719 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: he was about two and a half three, he was 720 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: aware of my limitations. I didn't have to explain I 721 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: had MS. He just knew mommy can't run things like that. 722 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: But I really I had to take a hard look 723 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: at myself and how I was going through life and 724 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 1: realizing like, am I gonna ask my kid to lie 725 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: for me one day? Or am I gonna lie to 726 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: my kid about what's happening? This isn't this isn't fair, 727 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,720 Speaker 1: and so um that's when I decided to become public 728 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: with it. But only and this isn't anybody else's fault, 729 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: this is me. Only until this job that I'm on 730 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: right now on Big Sky, have I really realized it's 731 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: it's not an issue. And I think it's not because 732 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: people weren't willing to help me. It's I'm willing to 733 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: let people help me now. So on this role I 734 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: have on Big Sky, I was this four episode arc 735 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: supposed to come in and out my characters running through 736 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: the woods. They had a stunt double, but they also 737 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: built me this rig so from here up it looks 738 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: like I'm running like they did all these amazing things 739 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 1: for me, and then I'm ready to say goodbye, and 740 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 1: they were like, we really like what you're doing. We 741 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 1: want to keep you on the show. And here I 742 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: am fifteen episodes later. They know about my body, it 743 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's not even written in the role. And 744 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,440 Speaker 1: it really has been the first opportunity for me to like, 745 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: I feel like it's okay that I have this. It's okay. 746 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 1: It's not a burden, it's not an issue. And I've 747 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,400 Speaker 1: also realized in my life living with m S, because 748 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: my kind of stuff is on the outside you can 749 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: see it, people feel say to share with me things 750 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 1: that they're dealing with. And I don't think I deserve 751 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: any extra credit for pursuing a career in the entertainment 752 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,720 Speaker 1: business with m S because what I've come to realize 753 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: is we all have stuff that we're coming to and 754 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: we're showing up every day. You just happen to see mine, 755 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,959 Speaker 1: and it makes me feel less different, but it also 756 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,160 Speaker 1: makes me feel less alone. And um, it's a really 757 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: empowering place to be that I never thought I would be. 758 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: And it's one of those moments where you kind of 759 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: like become grateful for your trauma because I know I 760 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't be who I am or have the perspective that 761 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,520 Speaker 1: I have in my life in general without it. So 762 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,400 Speaker 1: it's it's a really a really nice place to be. 763 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:52,120 Speaker 1: God bless Jamie. It's so incredible, truly, and your perspective 764 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: and what the gift that you talk about people giving 765 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: to you, but Also, what you're giving to other people 766 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: is vitally important, and I'm not going to over dramatize it, 767 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: but I just I respect the hell out of you 768 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:10,319 Speaker 1: for that, and I cannot, I cannot tell you how 769 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: happy I am that you have found peace on this show. 770 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: And it's my next bene watch. By the way, John 771 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: Carroll Lynch has taken a lot of roles from me 772 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: over the years. And yes, and uh back in uh 773 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: from from Minnesota. But that guy, that guy, Yeah, that's 774 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: it's my neck. I don't know. I just I missed it. 775 00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: I've missed the show. I started looking at it. Well, 776 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,719 Speaker 1: there's so many shows. I mean, there's so many. I'm 777 00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: not beating myself up, but no, you can't. You can't. 778 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,799 Speaker 1: I'm not beating myself up. But but I look, I 779 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: was like, wait a second, John is on this show. 780 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,680 Speaker 1: Jamie's coming in. It's gonna be on this show like 781 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: murdering mystery and my exact kind of thing. So I'm 782 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 1: excited about it. I want to ask you one other 783 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,360 Speaker 1: thing about you played a mob wife in mob Town 784 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: later on? Was that fun? Was that funny? That so fun? 785 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,719 Speaker 1: Did you call Edie and ask her advice? About how 786 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: to play a mob wife or no, you just watched him. 787 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's one of those things. We've 788 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: seen all of the score Staysy films and you know, 789 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,320 Speaker 1: and like I lived in the Sopranos, so it's like 790 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,560 Speaker 1: as soon as they gave me the big hair and like, 791 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: and it was took place in the sixties, so it's 792 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: like as soon as they gave me the words of everything, 793 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: and I can I mean, I have a bit of 794 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,879 Speaker 1: a New York accent, but I can slip right back 795 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: into like my real New York accent really easy. So 796 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: it was so much fun. Oh yeah, you and Robert 797 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 1: Eiler new podcast as well. Pajama pants. Um, yes, I 798 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,160 Speaker 1: was going to tell you that in honor of you, 799 00:46:54,320 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: I was wearing pajama pants today. Good me too. I'm not, 800 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,840 Speaker 1: are you, but you're not not? Yeah, I'm in sweatpants, 801 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,239 Speaker 1: all right. Well that's that counts. That counts. How is that? 802 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: I know you guys had such a great relationship and 803 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: it must be fun you're working with him again. Oh, 804 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: it's the best. He's my best friend. He has been 805 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: since day one. We have, you know, a bond that 806 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,040 Speaker 1: is so unique. We had a really special experience. I'm 807 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: sure you can feel with so many of your cast 808 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: made a really unique and special experience. And you know, 809 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: we've been so close throughout all of this time, and 810 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: we love doing the podcast together and it's so fun. 811 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 1: But you know, when we just shot the super Bowl 812 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: commercial together next, it was another thing where we're like, 813 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: how freaking cool that we get to experience this together. 814 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's just another thing where like no one 815 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,920 Speaker 1: would under like when we were there filming and we 816 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: have the same David Chase direct did it that you 817 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: know our DP film Phil Abraham who's now this huge 818 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: TV director, came back to DP and the same camera 819 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: operator and we're looking at each other like, this is crazy, 820 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: this is so cool. Is so without a question, you 821 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: won the super Bowl? For me? There is not there 822 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 1: is not even close. I'm start hearing this music and 823 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, what did we did? Did we click back over? It? Was? 824 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,600 Speaker 1: This is what the rewatching is like? How did I? 825 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 1: And I start seeing it and I see your face 826 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,320 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, this is so genius 827 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: and that it's Chevy and that this it was the 828 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: Suburban and now it's the new kid and it's the 829 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,399 Speaker 1: electric I mean, it's it's it could not be more perfect. Yeah, 830 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: it was really. When they called to tell us about it, 831 00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,200 Speaker 1: I just remember feeling so happy for the Sopranos fans. 832 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,200 Speaker 1: I was like, people, if it's done right, which I 833 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: had no doubt it would be David directing and everything, 834 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is gonna be so cool because I 835 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: wanted They wanted that. They wanted people's heads to turn, 836 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: because I didn't realize so many commercials get leaked before. 837 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,000 Speaker 1: I never paid attention to super Bowl commercials one I guess, 838 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,359 Speaker 1: and so like I noticed. I was like, oh, all 839 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: these commercials are leaked already before super Bowl. Like I 840 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: didn't realize they did that. And ours we signed n 841 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,960 Speaker 1: d as, we couldn't tell anyone. Only my husband and 842 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,840 Speaker 1: my parents knew. And you know, they wanted it to 843 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,200 Speaker 1: be that surprise where you hear the music, you look like, 844 00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: what am I watching? Is this a new show? Was 845 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: that meadow? Oh my god, j oh, it's for a car? 846 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: You know? Did David call you? How did you find 847 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: out about it? No? My manager, but then he said 848 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 1: David's doing it, and yeah, I mean, I mean I 849 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,239 Speaker 1: didn't need much convincing, but yes, exactly, and then we 850 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: and that was we found out right before Christmas and 851 00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: we shot it in mid January in New York. So awesome. Yeah, 852 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,440 Speaker 1: it was cool, so awesome. Um living in Austin, Texas. 853 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: You made the move now, congratulations on that. I hear 854 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,720 Speaker 1: it is spectacular And I have to get there very 855 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,239 Speaker 1: very soon. Yes, you got to let me know when 856 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,839 Speaker 1: you come. I will for sure. I thank you so 857 00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,600 Speaker 1: much for talking to me. I appreciate you so much, 858 00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,840 Speaker 1: and after hearing truly, after hearing your stories today, I 859 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: respect the hell out of you even more than I 860 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: did before. That's so nice. Well, I've I've had a 861 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,360 Speaker 1: great time talking to you. I'm so glad that you 862 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,799 Speaker 1: still had my number. I know, well because I'm the 863 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,840 Speaker 1: only person in the world that's had the same number 864 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,480 Speaker 1: for over twenty years. But this is why, except me, 865 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: you have the same number two for the song. Yeah, 866 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: the same number, and you have the same number. Thankfully, 867 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, j Amy, thank you. It's been a pleasure, 868 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thank you. There she is, Ladies and gentlemen, 869 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 1: Jamie Lynn is so great to have you on, so 870 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 1: nice to see you and to talk to you. You 871 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: are truly one of my my favorite humans and actors obviously, 872 00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: so thank you so much for coming on. Listen to 873 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,720 Speaker 1: her podcast Put Jama Pants, and check her out Big 874 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: Sky on ABC season two. You will not regret it. 875 00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:47,680 Speaker 1: That's all we got today. Remember to like and subscribe 876 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,720 Speaker 1: on your favorite podcast app, follow us on Instagram at 877 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 1: Off the Beat, and uh have an absolutely lovely week. 878 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:08,640 Speaker 1: I know after this talk, I sure will. Off the 879 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,360 Speaker 1: Beat is hosted an executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner 880 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,400 Speaker 1: alongside our executive producer Langley. Our producers are Diego Tapia, 881 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,880 Speaker 1: Liz Hayes, Emily Carr, and Hannah Harris. Our talent producer 882 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: is Ryan Papa Zachary. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak 883 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 1: performed by my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode 884 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,319 Speaker 1: was mixed by Seth o'landski