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Speaker 1: Levels to This is an iHeart women's sports production in

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on? Everybody? It's your girl, Trica Foster

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Speaker 2: Brassby and.

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Speaker 1: I'm your girl. Cheryl's swoops.

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Speaker 2: What's up? What's going on? And this is Levels to

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Speaker 2: this the podcast.

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Speaker 3: This is the show where we basically share that there

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Speaker 3: is levels to the shit.

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Speaker 2: That women go through. We really do have.

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Speaker 3: A fun show lined up for you all today, But

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Speaker 3: first I gotta tell Cheryl about what happened to me

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Speaker 3: this week.

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 1: Do tell detail?

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Speaker 2: I am traumatized in my own house.

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Speaker 3: Because on a Wednesday, I spent two hours with two

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Speaker 3: birds that got in my house.

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Speaker 2: Right and it was two of them.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, before you even go deeper, how did

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Speaker 1: they get in? You had a window door?

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Speaker 3: Was so I have a back patio door and I

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Speaker 3: tail Amazon to drop my packages off to the back

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Speaker 3: door to the back patio.

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Speaker 2: That way.

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Speaker 3: You know, number one ain't not sitting on my front porch,

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Speaker 3: but number two has been raining a lot lately, and

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Speaker 3: so my back patio was covered, so I would prefer

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Speaker 3: them to sit the boxes back there versus in the front.

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Speaker 3: The problem is I don't have a light on my

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Speaker 3: back porch as of right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm working on it. It's something there.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it looks like it should be a light there

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Speaker 2: So I need to get an electrician to see what's

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Speaker 3: So I know that I have these packages, and I

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Speaker 3: opened my door so that I can get these packages

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Speaker 3: off my back porch, and the moment I slide my

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Speaker 3: patio door open, I am instantly attacked by bird. Now

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Speaker 3: I and freaking out because I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: and it's nighttime. And it's nighttime. So it's a bright house,

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Speaker 3: mind you. I have the dining room lights on, the

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Speaker 3: living room lights on. I just turned the Christmas tree on,

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Speaker 3: so I can understand how a bird would fly in

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Speaker 3: I say to myself, let me open up this door

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Speaker 2: Just fly right back on out. Soon as I slacked

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Speaker 3: Girl, if bird never tuned in fling my damn house,

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Speaker 3: I am on the porch because at this point, I'm

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Speaker 3: not fighting two of you.

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Speaker 4: Are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you terrified of birds? I am not terrified of

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Speaker 3: let y'all have this shit because I'm not fighting y'all.

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Speaker 1: So the birds ran you out of your own house on.

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Speaker 3: Crib, and so I'm now strategically trying to figure out

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Speaker 3: And they just flying around.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about dead ass flying around. Girl. They I

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Speaker 3: They posted up on the damn tree, posted up on

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Speaker 2: But they acting like we out. So they are all

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Speaker 3: They done flew all on my fireplace, knocking shit down.

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Speaker 3: I'm about ready to fight these birds, but I'm also

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Speaker 2: I'm a kid of the eighties, the movie The Birds.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if these are.

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Speaker 3: The attacked human birds. I can take one, but I

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Speaker 1: So how did you finally get him out the house.

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Speaker 3: Finally I find well, first of all, let me tell

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Speaker 1: I could just see you running around with freaking out

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Speaker 2: You don't belong out here.

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Speaker 1: So you got all of this space and to fly

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Speaker 2: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: For a good fifteen minutes, like everything stopped moving, so

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Speaker 2: So here I go.

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Speaker 3: I take myself inside and I got the broom. I

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Speaker 3: still don't hear nothing, I don't see nothing, so I

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Speaker 3: think it's good now. They done knocked over my damn ornament.

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Speaker 2: Now broke on the ground by my fireplace.

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Speaker 3: So I'm a little upset, but I'm like whatever, I

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Speaker 3: I know birds like to attack faces and stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right, So I begin.

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Speaker 3: To sweep, and I guess I got too close to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they was. They heard me trying to sweep up.

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, is it a like a tree tree or

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Speaker 1: a Christmas tree.

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Speaker 2: It's a Christmas tree, but it's a lot of trill. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I got you, I got you. Yeah girl, they girl.

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Speaker 2: They didn't help me.

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Speaker 3: So apparently I woke them up out their sleep in

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Speaker 3: I was willing to take water all in the hallway. Girl,

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I was like, if somebody

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Speaker 3: They're like, ma'am, we don't have nobody in your area

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Speaker 2: Fear it out.

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Speaker 3: I called Greg Greg like, I mean, what you want

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Speaker 2: I'm at work, but.

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Speaker 1: You know what, but that's something. Well, they do that

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Speaker 3: Well, you remember I told you Greg up here in

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Speaker 3: I sat in my car for two hours, and.

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Speaker 1: Girl, I cannot believe that you let the birds run

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Speaker 3: I was not one I could handle two. It felt

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Speaker 3: I am traumatized now because I go downstairs even now,

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Speaker 3: Let me make sure that I you know, my god,

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Speaker 3: because I don't even really receiving both of them leave.

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Speaker 1: Went, so in reality, you could still have a bird inside.

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Speaker 3: Sure, equip playing with me before I run up out

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Speaker 1: You only saw one go out, but you saw to

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Speaker 3: All I know is if I hear a strange noise

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was funny. I needed that laugh

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Speaker 1: for the day.

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Speaker 4: Bro.

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Speaker 2: I did, I did, I did?

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Speaker 1: I did? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Thanks all right. I knew she was going to judge

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Speaker 3: So so that's how my week has been.

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Speaker 2: How's your word, bed?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I live in the country, so I

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Speaker 1: hear stuff all the time. But but I have to say.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I thought that though.

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Speaker 1: I thought this was a safe space and it's an

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Speaker 2: That is you.

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Speaker 1: You. You you came for me about we won't go

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Speaker 2: But you did the camera you came.

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Speaker 1: Yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: We are, we are, we are even okay. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I getting emotional? I'm trying so hard to get into

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Speaker 1: the Christmas spirit, but I just can't. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I'm the only one. I don't know how you're

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Speaker 1: feeling like. I have decorated, like my house, I've decorated

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Speaker 1: really trying to get in the spirit. But there's something

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Speaker 1: I try to turn on Christmas music and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like something pulls me back. And it's like, Nope,

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Speaker 1: we ain't doing that this year. So I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You know that is you are not alone and that.

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Speaker 3: I tell people all the time, I have to do this,

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Speaker 2: To do that.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this is my favorite holiday. Like I

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Speaker 1: Christmas is mine. That's why I think I'm more like, like,

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Speaker 1: So if anybody out there knows, or if you're feeling

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Speaker 3: And if you know anything about Tisha, not you obviously

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Speaker 2: And I know the China is another person who has

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Speaker 2: Hey, Tsha, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Hey ladies, Hi, Hey, thank you for having me on

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Speaker 1: Tell me if you remember this before we get in,

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Speaker 1: Ta Dha Tisha?

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Speaker 4: I think he was a Nike appear It's important.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Jordan used to have the biggest crush on Tsha

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Speaker 2: I got to stay three times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I know it's real. Say it three times.

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Speaker 3: First off, Tsha, thank you for making some time to

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Speaker 2: Because one, this game of basketball is growing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was about five growing up in Portugal. My

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Speaker 1: Well, teacher, I don't think that's any different regardless of

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing for me, what I think makes the

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Speaker 1: And right, and this is when I first found out.

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Speaker 1: her own outdoor court, her outdoor basketball court. Not just court,

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00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: it's a basketball court.

446
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the core where I start playing, where

447
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 4: the dreams start, you know, making you know, becoming reality

448
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 4: a little bit where all the boys were telling me

449
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: to go home. And I can tell them listen to

450
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 4: to my court now, so you go home and play

451
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 4: and play.

452
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 2: With you go home, get off my car.

453
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 4: But I think it was it was just a Federation

454
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 4: of Portugal. They just wanted to honor me and obviously

455
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 4: my career and everything that I that I did. And

456
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 4: I'm an American now citizen now, but I'm very proud

457
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 4: of Portuguese citizen. That's where it runs through my blood.

458
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,199
Speaker 4: That's my heart. And to go back to Portugal and

459
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,679
Speaker 4: to know that that's where everything started and out that

460
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 4: court is in honor of me and everything that I

461
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 4: did in my career, it's actually very special.

462
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 3: Now there is going to be some basketball being played

463
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: in northern California, and granted, Sacramento ain't quite the Bay

464
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 3: and don't let nobody in California, you know, you say

465
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:52,880
Speaker 3: that around the wrong folks.

466
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Speaker 2: They get in a feelies what you mean.

467
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 3: It's ain't set down like okay, we get it brow

468
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: But there is still such a history of women's basketball

469
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: and women's basketball fans in that area because of everything

470
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: that was accomplished by the Monarchs. Just when you think

471
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: back to that time and also thinking about now with

472
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: the new Golden State Valkyries. Just what do you think

473
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: about how this league has continued to grow and expand

474
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 3: over the course of the last several years, specifically since

475
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 3: the time that you played.

476
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember a time that we were at sixteen

477
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: and then we kept Unfortunately, Sheherylyn and I on the

478
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 4: same boat. The Houston Comets disappeared, the Monarchs folded. These

479
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 4: are teams that have great history where two of the

480
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,440
Speaker 4: initial franchises we won championships. The city was so involved

481
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 4: and the owners just weren't with it anymore. To me,

482
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: the thing that hurt the most is that we didn't

483
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 4: know that we were going to fold. We didn't have

484
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 4: a chance to say goodbye to our fans. We folded

485
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: in the off season the maloofs at the time, the

486
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 4: owners of the team didn't even try to sell it,

487
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: and I think if they did, we would have created

488
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 4: some interest in Sacramento to keep the city, to keep

489
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 4: the team in the city. And I just have great

490
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 4: members of Sacramento. Obviously, I played twelve years there and

491
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 4: I would have played there on my whole I would

492
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,719
Speaker 4: have never went to LA and then my last year

493
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 4: in Chicago because that's how much I love Sacramento, and

494
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 4: I really love the fans, And even though the Golden

495
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 4: State Valkyries are not in Sacramento, they're close enough where

496
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 4: I hope some of those fans will continue to support

497
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 4: this team because I know they're still heartbroken and I

498
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: know they are WNBA fans.

499
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is like one of the things that

500
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: crushes me when I think about the league, just Sacramento

501
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: and not having a team, Houston not having a team.

502
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: And this could be a whole different conversation, but tis

503
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: when you look at the league and the game today,

504
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: what do you see that excites you and what do

505
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: you also see that concerned you?

506
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: If anything, it excites me that little girls have so

507
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 4: many women role models. I didn't you probably didn't. I

508
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: wanted to be like Magic, I wanted to be like

509
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan. I didn't have any women, like I said,

510
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 4: also could not go on YouTube and try to do

511
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 4: any search because we didn't have internet. To me, all

512
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 4: my role models besides my mom, and she didn't even

513
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 4: play sports. They're all male athletes. So the most exciting

514
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 4: thing for me not just in basketball, but there's so

515
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 4: many other sports where women are thriving, and there's so

516
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: many little girls that can aspire to be so many

517
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: different players at different sports. The things that scares me

518
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 4: is that twenty eight years in, we are still moving

519
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 4: very slow, at a snail pace when it comes to

520
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: a lot of things. We don't have a pension. The

521
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 4: salaries are still not comparable to the NBA, and I

522
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: would never compare that, but still there's a huge gap.

523
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 4: But I do believe with the UCBA being able to

524
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 4: be negotiated this year that things will change. Right now,

525
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 4: I'm more excited than i'm concerned.

526
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with Tea and La China and so

527
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: many others. I've said this before and I'm going to

528
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: say it to you. I think you are one of

529
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 1: the best passing guards that this game's ever seen. And

530
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: there's stuff today when players are playing.

531
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, wow, did you see that?

532
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: We've never seen anything like that, And I'm like, eh,

533
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: but we have. Maybe y'all haven't because y'all just started watching.

534
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: But when you look at the game today, is there

535
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a player that reminds you of yourself?

536
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 4: I think she's now a little more of a score

537
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 4: than she was maybe a few years ago. But I

538
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 4: would say Chelsea Gray she's from the base, so she

539
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 4: was watching the Sacramento Monarchs when I play there, and

540
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 4: I actually was just with her like this past weekend,

541
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 4: and she every time I see her, she always is

542
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 4: so complimentary of the fact that I was her favorite player. Yeah,

543
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: and now she's my favorite player because obviously I'm a

544
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: little bias towards point guards. And she just makes her

545
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 4: teammates better and she calls her own number when she

546
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: has to. So if I could say anyone, I would

547
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 4: say her.

548
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: Not a bad one, not a bad one at all.

549
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: And I actually want to stick on that trend because

550
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: when we talk about the Monarchs and you talk about teammates,

551
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: there's a teammate that sticks out in my mind that

552
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: I don't think people talk about enough. When I think

553
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: about Landa Griffith, for example, Like why people ain't talking

554
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: about Yo like they need to be talking about y'oll.

555
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: But is there a teammate or a moment or someone

556
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 3: who you remember playing alongside that you were like Yo,

557
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 3: that was one of the best to do this or

558
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: one of the greatest at this, and maybe you feel

559
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: like they don't get enough recognition that you think they deserve.

560
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 4: I would say Rebecca Brunson. She's the only player that

561
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 4: has five rings, five championships. She even has more than Cheryl. Okay,

562
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: I know, so that's crazy, Yeah, yeah, no, but I

563
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: just don't think she may rebound pretty. It was pretty

564
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 4: to watch it rebound, and she was just like a

565
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: glue player. Nobody really talked about her because she played

566
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 4: with Yo and myself and then she went to Minnesota

567
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 4: and had Simona and had Way and then Maya. But

568
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 4: she's someone that without her, Minnesota doesn't have those championships.

569
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 4: We don't have that championship in Sacramento. And I just

570
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: don't think she gets enough credit.

571
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 2: I don't mean to be messy or nothing, but I

572
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: think I remember in two thousand.

573
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: I think it's it's five because I'm not that old.

574
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: Like I'm not young, but I'm not that old. I'm

575
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 3: forty if I remember correctly. Around that time, in order

576
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: for the Monarchs to get to the finals, they had

577
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: to play a team might have been a Houston comments.

578
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 4: It took us a while to figure them out, like

579
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 4: everybody everybody did. I mean, you just took a while.

580
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm just curious that there are any memories from that matchup.

581
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 4: A lot of losses.

582
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't remember that at all.

583
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 4: You know, back then he was a versus East. So

584
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: for you to get out the West to get to

585
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: the finals, you had to be Houston, you had to

586
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: be La Phoenix. So it might be biased, but I

587
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 4: think the West was definitely stronger than the East. Everything

588
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 4: is different now, like you just picked the best eight

589
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 4: teams in spite of where they're from. But yeah, it

590
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: was really tough to get out of the West.

591
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 3: You know what's funny about that is that even though

592
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: it's not divided by conferences anymore, I must say that

593
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,239
Speaker 3: I do enjoy you being the top eight teams, But

594
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years, it still feels like

595
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 3: it still ends up being an East team versus a

596
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: West team. And I feel like with expansion continuing, it

597
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 3: may be difficult to keep up this top eight. We

598
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: might get to a point where we may have to

599
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: go back to East versus West, or bringing conference alignment

600
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: to make a little bit more sense than just the

601
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: Commissioner's Cup that they have right now.

602
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: I can decide, right I go back and forth on

603
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: if I like it East versus West, or if I

604
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: like the top eight, because to me, sometimes I'm like,

605
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: let's send the best ten teams we have according to

606
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: their record and the way they've played. Let's send them

607
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and let's see what happens. What I

608
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: will just go back and say, and we'll skip over

609
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Listen, I'm still in my feelings

610
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: about it. I'm still salty because I don't like losing.

611
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: But I just remember just the battles that we had,

612
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: right It wasn't just like the comments and the liberty

613
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: or the comments and the sparks like Sacramento. It's the same.

614
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: I agree with Tisha, Rebecca Brunson one of the best

615
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: hardest working players that you will ever see, and she

616
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: doesn't get talked about enough. I agree with you. I

617
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: don't think Elanda Griffith gets talked about enough. I don't

618
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: think Ruthie Bolton gets talked about enough.

619
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: It's just there's so.

620
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: Many former players that had a lot to do with

621
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: where this game is today that I think they get

622
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: overlooked at times. And I just remember going to Sack

623
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: or Sack, coming to Houston, and the battles that we

624
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: always had. Tisha, Keedra Holland Korn Demaya. It just it

625
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: was so much fun for us to be able to

626
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: compete night in and night out, for sure, But I

627
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: want to go to what you're doing now. I know

628
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: for a lot of players, when you retire or when

629
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: it's close to retirement, and when the time comes, a

630
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: lot of players are like kinda in Limbo. I was

631
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: one of those players that was like, I don't know

632
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: what I'm going to do when I retire. Tisha, tell

633
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: us what you're doing now. But also, did you immediately

634
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: know that you wanted to become an agent.

635
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 4: I didn't know immediately. I just knew immediately that I

636
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 4: didn't want to coach. I've been a point guard all

637
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: my life, so I feel like I've coached on my life,

638
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 4: and I definitely didn't want to have the same routine.

639
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 4: Being inside of a gym watching film is just the

640
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: same exact routine that you have as a player. Actually,

641
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: even more, I knew that much that right away I

642
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: don't want to coach, But I knew that I wanted

643
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: to stay involved. I knew that I want to give

644
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: back to the game. So when I start seeing the

645
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 4: light and I'm like, Okay, my career is coming to

646
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 4: an end, I start thinking a little bit more what

647
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 4: I wanted to do next. And at the time there

648
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 4: wasn't too many women representing women, especially women that played

649
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: the game. So the more start thinking about it is

650
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 4: just start making sense. So yeah, it was maybe like

651
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 4: a year and a half where to me, I have

652
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 4: to live everything in my head first and then to

653
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 4: make it to fruition, and I think, to me, it

654
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: was just like, this is exactly what I want to do.

655
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: The more I thought about it just made sense. So

656
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: it was a smooth transition because I was already mentally

657
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: prepared to do so when I retire in twenty twelve,

658
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 4: I just go went ahead and I got certified with

659
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 4: FIBA and also with the WNVPA. And it's been crazy

660
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 4: twelve years now that i've Wow Wow.

661
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: And you're currently an agent with One Time Agency Group

662
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Speaker 1: and some of your clients Bridget Carlton, Megan Gustulson, Liz Kaitley,

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Speaker 1: Kayla McBride, Mikayla on your way to Alisa Peely. When

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Speaker 1: you're looking to sign clients, are there a particular type

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Speaker 1: of players that you're looking at?

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Speaker 4: Obviously you want talent, but to me, personality, values, respect

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Speaker 4: for the game, respect, for myself. It's super important because

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Speaker 4: I want to come into this business to be a mentor,

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Speaker 4: and I can't mentor you if you don't respect me,

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Speaker 4: if you don't listen to what I'm going to say.

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Speaker 4: There's been situations when I recruited just based on talent

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Speaker 4: and I knew that it wasn't going to be a

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Speaker 4: good fit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to challenge myself because I came into this

676
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Speaker 4: business to help the next generation. But at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, I just realized it's not for everybody.

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Speaker 4: So I'm very particular about who I sign. Is very

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Speaker 4: important that they have good values, they're good people, that

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Speaker 4: just good family. All of that stuff is important to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You also talked about a moment ago how growing up

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Speaker 3: you didn't really have any who you felt like you

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Speaker 3: could look up to. And there are still some battles

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Speaker 3: that women are fighting as it relates to being in

685
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Speaker 3: the agent space. You have some that are starting to

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Speaker 3: make a name for themselves and that have make a

687
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Speaker 3: name for themselves.

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Speaker 2: I think about you, I think about Jay League.

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Speaker 3: I know you spent some time at SIG Agency as well,

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Speaker 3: but just how important is it for you to continue

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Speaker 3: to kind of advocate for women in this space outside

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Speaker 3: of just the clients that you represent.

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Speaker 4: It's super important and that's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 4: I came into the space, and not to just be

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Speaker 4: an agent. I don't want to just do contracts. I

696
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Speaker 4: want to be a mentor. I want to advise you

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Speaker 4: on basketball, on life. I think I wear so many hats,

698
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: but again, like your clients have too, you have to

699
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Speaker 4: feel comfortable enough to wear those hats and talk to

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Speaker 4: them about all types of different things. And I just

701
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Speaker 4: came into this business to obviously pay it forward. I

702
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Speaker 4: just want women's basketball to continue to grow. So I

703
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: take this job very seriously because their career is a

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Speaker 4: little bit in my hands. But I just think also

705
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Speaker 4: to show them out to be a good pro, to

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Speaker 4: be on time, to you know, be a good teammate,

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Speaker 4: to listen. I think all those things are part of

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Speaker 4: the package in a lot of the boxes that I

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Speaker 4: pick when I am selecting the players that I want

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Speaker 4: to sign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, for me, if I was a current

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Speaker 1: player and I was looking for representation, I would absolutely

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Speaker 1: look for someone like a Tisha who's played the game,

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Speaker 1: knows the space, has been around, because I think you

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Speaker 1: can teach them and show them things that someone who

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Speaker 1: didn't play the game can't. But would you ever represent

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Speaker 1: male athletes? So do you represent male athletes?

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Speaker 4: I don't. But with this new agency, I am way

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Speaker 4: more involved on the men's side. So I am the

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Speaker 4: vice president of this agency. So at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day, I know everything that is going on. With

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Speaker 4: Sports International Group, I was really just focused on the women.

723
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Speaker 4: I had no idea what was going on the men's side.

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Speaker 4: But with this agency, I know everything that is going

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Speaker 4: on with all of our clients, whether they male or female.

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Speaker 4: Right now, I'm only licensed to sign the BNBA player. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm never going to say never, but for now, I'm

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Speaker 4: happy where I am this year. I feel like this

729
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: is my lane and this is where I can make

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Speaker 4: the most impact. But I'm definitely helping remond sessions with

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Speaker 4: the CEO and the male agent to make decisions and

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Speaker 4: to recruit.

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Speaker 3: We've been kicking it with Tischa Pinchero and when we

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Speaker 3: come back after the break, we got some more stuff

735
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Speaker 3: we want to dig into just a little bit. So

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Speaker 3: stay with us, guys. Welcome back to the levels to

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Speaker 3: this podcast. It's your girl, Trerika FoST de brasby, of

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Speaker 3: course kicking it with my co host Cheryl and our

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Speaker 3: special guest today Tischa Pinchero and Cheryl and I actually

740
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Speaker 3: had an entire show dedicated to career transitions right and

741
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Speaker 3: coming to the realization that there are other things that

742
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Speaker 3: can be a part of your purpose outside of what

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Speaker 3: it is that you do. If it were not basketball,

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Speaker 3: if it were not being an agent. Is there a

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Speaker 3: passion or a hobby of yours or something that you

746
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 3: could see yourself doing or being involved in. What do

747
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 3: we need to know about Tisha that's not on a

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Speaker 3: basketball court.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, It's so hard to answer that question because

750
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: basket is such a huge part of my life from

751
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 4: a very young age. So when I get asked that question,

752
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 4: I never know what to say because I can't even

753
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: see myself without basketball. I love animals, so maybe I

754
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 4: would have been a vet. Or I love traveling, so

755
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: maybe being like a travel agent or something like that.

756
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Speaker 4: But like I said, I never know what the answer

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Speaker 4: because basketball is engraving me almost from the first time

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Speaker 4: I start walking, so it's hard to imagine me doing

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Speaker 4: anything else.

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Speaker 2: I could see travel agent. Let me help you about

761
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Speaker 2: this crew.

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Speaker 1: Here I could see her being a flight attendant like

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Speaker 1: I wanted to be.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, Cheryl told us she wanted to be a

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Speaker 3: flight attendant or a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe that?

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Speaker 4: Wow? I had no idea, that's I said.

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Speaker 1: Thank God that didn't happen, but yeah, that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what I.

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Speaker 2: Thought, Tisha.

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Speaker 1: I got a question for you, so the whole NIL think.

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Speaker 1: Two questions for you is one are you guys representing

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Speaker 1: athletes in the NIL space? And two? How do you

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Speaker 1: think that has changed the game?

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Speaker 4: Oh? We changed completely, and for the women more than

776
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Speaker 4: the man. Because the man they can be one and done.

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Speaker 4: They can stay in one years, but then you go

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Speaker 4: to the pros and start making money. The women, you

779
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: have Angel Rees obviously she's in the pros now, but

780
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Speaker 4: you have Flage, you have Juju Paige. All of those players,

781
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: they probably made more money that I'm my whole career,

782
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 4: no doubt. They're not even pros yet. So obviously he

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: has changed tremendously, and I'm glad because it shows evolution.

784
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Speaker 4: But it's also not for everyone. And I think sometimes

785
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 4: when you recruit players for NIL, you have to be

786
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: making sure that their expectations are realistic, because otherwise you're

787
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 4: going to fail as an agent because not just them,

788
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 4: their parents is who all have super unrealistic expectations that

789
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Speaker 4: most likely you're not going to meet. We do have

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Speaker 4: three players. One is she's actually a Portuguese player that

791
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 4: is placed for Kentucky. She's sixty seven, she's a freshman.

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Speaker 4: She's in Kentucky, Klauda Silva. And then we have Fagan

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Speaker 4: from South Carolina. Yeah, and also some spencer from Tennessee.

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Speaker 4: So those are the only three players that we have

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Speaker 4: on the women's side.

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Speaker 3: For Nil, you talked about coaching not necessarily being for you,

797
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Speaker 3: but I do know your agency represents Camille Little who

798
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Speaker 3: has gotten into coaching at Paul Quinn.

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Speaker 4: Also is Camille Little Smith because if I don't correct you,

800
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 4: she probably gonna get on me. So Kimille Little Smith.

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Speaker 2: Let me not disrespect the married name. Okay.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So we actually opened a Next Chapter division not

803
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: too long ago, and Camille was our first signee. I

804
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: actually represented her towards the last few years of her

805
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 4: basketball career and she didn't have an agent and just

806
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 4: reached out to me a few months ago asking if

807
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Speaker 4: I could help her and I said, listen. She didn't

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00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: even know that I had left Seek to go to

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00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 4: on time agency. So I told her, listen, just give

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 4: me a few months because we actually about to start

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Speaker 4: this new chapter division that is exactly for former players

812
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 4: that are in limbo. They don't know what to do.

813
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: It could be media, it can be reporters. But we

814
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 4: very slowly to sign people into that space. So we

815
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Speaker 4: only signed Camille Little on the women's side, and we

816
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 4: signed Bobby Simmons on the man inside. But yeah, now

817
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: we do represent Camille and she was let go by

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Speaker 4: the Sparks this summer. She was an assistant coach with

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Speaker 4: the Sparks, so we currently trying to find her another job.

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Speaker 4: But like you said, she also is coaching at Paul

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Speaker 4: Queen right now as a head coach.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I think that's huge because there are

823
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Speaker 1: so many former players who need the help. Right Like

824
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Speaker 1: you've been your entire career, you've had an agent, and

825
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: your agent they have the connects or the contacts, and

826
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Speaker 1: so they find those opportunities for you. And then when

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Speaker 1: you retire, and a lot of instances and it's like,

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Speaker 1: well what's next for me?

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Speaker 4: I actually can also say that the day that the

830
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: balls stop bouncing, the day that you stop making your

831
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Speaker 4: agent a paycheck, they don't return your call, call emails

832
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: or cars, you're just like you don't exist anymore. So

833
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 4: the next chapter division obviously. The day that we announced it,

834
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 4: our dms were popping, and we're going to be very

835
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 4: selective because we want to make sure that the people

836
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: that we sign, we can help everyone and be really

837
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 4: hands on with all of our clients, whether there are

838
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 4: players or their coaches, and if we sign too many people,

839
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Speaker 4: you can be as hands on as we want to.

840
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Speaker 4: But it's definitely something that we needed to start because,

841
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: like you said, sometimes it's just so lost. You just

842
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: don't know what the next step will be. And the

843
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: person that is supposed to have you back and help

844
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 4: you your agent, Yeah, you know where to be fount.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.

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Speaker 3: Before we get out of here, I look at the

847
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Speaker 3: WNBA now, I look at the young players, the Caitlin

848
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 3: Clark's and the Angel Reeses and the Eliah Edwards, and

849
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Speaker 3: I look at all of the new coaches that are

850
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: coming into the league this year now, and I don't

851
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 3: know if I'm more excited about the talent level and

852
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: how that continues to get bigger and better, or the marketing,

853
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: the television views, the audience, the people gravitating to it,

854
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: because it's not even just basketball right now, it's all

855
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: women's sports, Soccer, it's tennis, coco, golf is amazing.

856
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: Some own bios is next level.

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Speaker 3: Just right now, women's sports are in and we always

858
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: should have been. Quite honestly, there are so many people

859
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 3: that are finally opening their eyes to recognize how amazing

860
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 3: women are in this space cites you or motivates you

861
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: to feel excited about the future of women's sports.

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Speaker 4: Having a pension and I'm just paying Oh no.

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Speaker 1: No, no, say it, say it, yeah, say it loud.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I say it's important. Having a pension would be

865
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: super important. That's the NBA has it. Like I played

866
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 4: fifteen years in the w NBA, I get zero dollars

867
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: from all the work, all injuries that I had, all

868
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 4: the sweat, blood and tears that I put in. So

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00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 4: I said in a joking way, but it's not. It's

870
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: actually nothing to be to joke about. Is something that

871
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: is really necessary and I know the current players will

872
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 4: also fight for the former players for that to happen.

873
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: But I say everything that you said, the attendance, the viewership,

874
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 4: the merch sales, and all the companies that are investing.

875
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 4: It's not a charity case. It really has never been.

876
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 4: Now they understand when they invest the right amount, they're

877
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: going to have a return, and people are excited about it.

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Speaker 4: There's agencies that never represented women before, but now they

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Speaker 4: want to represent women because it's a profitable business. Everything

880
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 4: is about dollars and now they see that women in

881
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: for It's not just the NBA, but like you said, soccer, baseball,

882
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 4: all the softball. They all like they're going to have

883
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: a return when they invest their money.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's facts. It's all about the bottom dollars. I'm

885
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: trying to make a dollar too, y' just seen Mama

886
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 3: and Juan Soo signed just seven hundred and.

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Speaker 2: Million dollars z offit.

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00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: I found this out yesterday. That breaks down to him

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00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: making roughly one hundred and forty thousand dollars a day.

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Speaker 2: And that's just interesting.

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00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: Interestingly in the gallery that there is crazy point is

892
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: I can stand in the outfield and catch a ball

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Speaker 3: brilliantly for half the price New.

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Speaker 4: York stock in the quarter.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, like that's crazy.

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00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, you need your pension. Clearly the money is

897
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: out there. We just got to get it to the

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00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 3: right league. Yeah, no doubt now, Titha, it's been a

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00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: pleasure to have you. Thank thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us and for kicking it with aus Ureyl you

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00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: got anything else you've been meaning to get off your.

902
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: Chest in these last twenty years.

903
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: No, I don't just listen. I will say this. I've

904
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: always had nothing but love and respect for Tisha, the

905
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: way she played the game, the way she carried herself,

906
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: the way she represented the game. And I absolutely love

907
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: what you're doing now because these players need someone like

908
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: you in their lives. And I just I got mad

909
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: love for you. I appreciate everything you you've you've ever done.

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00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: Thank you. I still have to guard show all the

911
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 4: time because I know that the point guard. So I

912
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 4: still have nightmares about that first step. I'm like, I

913
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: got it, and then I'm like, where's she go? She's

914
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 4: just scored on.

915
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: Me that we had great battles. We did, but you

916
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: know what, in those battles, it was always love and.

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00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 4: Respect always sure.

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00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I love that.

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00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: Don't let me pull up some footage and be like,

920
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: what happened right here?

921
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 4: I mean, let's not do that.

922
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: You and you should both already talked about. Rebecca got

923
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: more rings than I do, so I can't go back

924
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: than anybody.

925
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 3: Look for real, she could have had six, for real,

926
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: had Minnesota one this year against a darn.

927
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be Queen Petty each and every single I.

928
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: Know you are. That's why I was glad the Asus.

929
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: Didn't have three. They're getting closer to four. I was like,

930
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: getting so close.

931
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, I'm gonna die on this, heel said,

932
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 3: and will.

933
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 2: Thanks for stopping by, t Sha. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you guys so much for having me always welcome

935
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: discuss women's basketball and reminisce about the good old days.

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00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: So I learned a few things today during this podcast.

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00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: I learned.

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00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: Number one, that you act like two thousand and five

939
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 3: don't exist.

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00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: That's cool, it.

941
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't in my mind. I just we skip right over that, say.

942
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 2: We skip right over there, got it? So I learned that.

943
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: I also learned that, you know, I don't think I

944
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 3: knew previously how much basketball was ingrained and Tisha's upbringing.

945
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: So that was great for me to learn but I also,

946
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to say I.

947
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: Learned, but I think this is just something that I

948
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: already knew, and I was reaffirmed that like most women,

949
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: we understand the importance of representation, and Tisha just does

950
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 3: such an amazing job of ensuring that women are represented

951
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: in the agency space, in the representation space, and just

952
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: how important it is to continue to kind of give

953
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 3: that representation to many, many people across the world. Right

954
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 3: And so I truly enjoyed talking to t Sha today.

955
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: I know that you guys enjoyed talking to each other,

956
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: but just what were some of your takeaways from that

957
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: conversation with her.

958
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: You know, Tisha's always been just a down earth, easy

959
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: going but tough competitor. And what I really love is

960
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: where she is now, right like, like the space that

961
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: she's in now. And I would love to see more

962
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: former players get into the agency space, if that's something

963
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: they want to do, obviously, but I would love to

964
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: see it because, as Tisha said, right like, she gets

965
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: it and she's there to help the players. She's been there,

966
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: she's done that as a player and now as an agent,

967
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: so she understands and in a way, she understands the struggle.

968
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: She also understands how agents should work because she had

969
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: an agent, and I'll tell you agents are very different

970
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: today than they were back then. So just to be

971
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: able to have a conversation with her, and you know,

972
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 1: there were some some things I knew about t Sha

973
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: because obviously we played against each other, and then there

974
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: were some things that I didn't. But you know, she

975
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: is like the goddess or the queen of Portugal and

976
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: they love her. And I'm just so excited that I

977
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: got an opportunity to play against her, but even more

978
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: excited that I get to call her friend.

979
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I do hope to get to Potrugal, Portugal soon

980
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: so that I can see this court that's named after her.

981
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: I just think that that's incredibly do.

982
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: When you get anything named after you, to me, I

983
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: just think that that's.

984
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: A very it's kind of special.

985
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: It's very special, very signifying of the kind of person

986
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 3: you are and what you mean to whatever that entity

987
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: is that dawned you worthy enough to have whatever that

988
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: is to have your name. So I definitely want to

989
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: be able to get a chance to go and see that.

990
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 3: But we are gonna wrap this thing up, but before

991
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: we go, we obviously have to have Cheryl level us

992
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 3: up for the next week.

993
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: Well, based off of you and I's comation on surface

994
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: level that we talked about and how I'm I'm I

995
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not feeling sorry for myself, but I'm

996
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I'm in a little funky And

997
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: then to hear you say, yeah, with all the stuff

998
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: I've kind of gone through now, all the shit I've

999
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of gone through this year, it's understandable. So here's

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00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: what I have. Here's what I found, and it says,

1001
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: and this is from Wayne dire I don't know who

1002
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: that is, but it's Wayne dier d ye Er and

1003
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: it talks about growth, and it just says, with everything

1004
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: that has happened to you, you can either feel sorry

1005
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: for yourself or treat.

1006
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: What has happened as a gift.

1007
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever looked at stuff, shit

1008
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: that I've gone through as a gift, right, but that

1009
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: really stood out to me because I think I take

1010
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: that and say, you know what, I have been through

1011
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: a lot of shit, but I'm also very fortunate and

1012
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 1: the ship that I've been through. You know, my mom

1013
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: used to tell me if people aren't talking about you.

1014
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: That means you're not doing something right. So yeah, that

1015
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: just that just kind of stood out to me. So

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00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: I hope for everyone out there who tunes in, who listens,

1017
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: if you're feeling some type of way about the holiday

1018
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: season and you know, just about life, find find something

1019
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: good in that, find something that you cherish or embrace,

1020
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: and hold on to that and just know that it

1021
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: will not last forever. And I'm telling you that, but

1022
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm also telling myself that in a happy holidays everybody.

1023
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, love that.

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00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 3: That's a great That's a great thought, a great message,

1025
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: and a great way to close out our show. So

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00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 3: thank you all everybody for listening to levels to this.

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00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: We will be back next week with more next level conversations.

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00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 3: We're getting towards the end of the calendar year, man,

1029
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: so Cheryl, me and you are going to have to

1030
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: really wrap up twenty twenty four on one of these

1031
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Speaker 3: shows before this is over.

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Speaker 2: But for all of our.

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Speaker 3: Fans, listen and just remember, guys that we love hearing

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