WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Best Player vs. Need? 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:06.600 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:17.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. Are you ready 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:21.200 for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.560 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:30.920 It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:41.000 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hey, guys, 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.840 welcome back to Cowboys Break. I remember Garcia? You heard 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.760 in the intro? Who else is the cast on this showing? On? Nick? David, 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:53.800 Derek over here? This is season eighteen, yeah, le eighteen wow, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:59.280 eighteen seasons? What what's all that? We're legal for adults. Okay, 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:03.040 that's that's a different kind of legal. It just doesn't see. 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.280 I'm just gonna punt on that. I just don't want 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:10.880 to talk about it. You're legal to go to the military. 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.000 You can join the army at eighteen. You can vote 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:22.760 for the country. Alright, alright, Episode four five five? Okay 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:28.839 you were nicky? Okay, whoa wow? Alight on it? There 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:31.679 you go like one of those flights where the turbulence 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.680 starts the minute it up. I'll have some more turbulence 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.479 for you though. Okay, Um, we do have the draft 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:40.800 coming up around the corner. Sure do we have things 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.360 to talk about. But before we get into that, I 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.800 figure we'll get the news out of the way. I mean, 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.600 some pretty serious, big news. But do you have to 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.000 talk about it? All? Right? Well, it's fun like when 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.680 you're in the weekly format. You know, it's so much 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.680 has been said already about that situation. You forget we 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.040 haven't had a show since then. We have not, so 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:02.800 we do kind of figure we do have to kind 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.920 of discuss it a little bit. Unfortunately, we do pretty serious, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.400 major stuff. But I'm sure by now a lot of 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.640 the listeners have already heard the news and the things 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.200 that's going on currently with Kelvin Joseph, which we did 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.000 discuss last week, as you know, a quick evaluation of 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:22.440 how he was drafted and how he was looking at 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.880 all that. But he's currently going under some pretty serious 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.760 investigation as of right now. We don't have a lot 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.600 of the details. We've heard some things around the media 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:37.360 and things like that, but I mean it's involving homicide 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:42.240 that happened in the FW so he's currently being investigated 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.359 by the police. But I guess I'm gonna just leave 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.720 it open to you guys on what's going on with 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.040 him and what this means for the team and if 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.320 the Cowboys are expected to make any kind of move 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.280 right now. I know maybe you're waiting on what happens legally, 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.640 but I think that's the thing you is, just what 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:04.400 happens legally. That's what Stephen Jones. He talked a lot 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.520 less about it, honestly than you just did. I mean, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.520 and I say that because he's not trying to talk 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.840 about it a lot right now, and and and they 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.120 are not saying hide behind the legal part of because 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.000 that's that's that's what it is. You just don't have 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.400 you open yourself up for more issues when you when 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.080 you try to talk, you know about something that don't 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.920 really know. We know this, it's being investigated. We also 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.360 know that he was he's continuing to do the things 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.560 for the team that he's supposed to do. He's part 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.480 of the offseason workouts. He was here, Um, I don't 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:35.040 know if he's been here every day. They don't take 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.120 attendance like that. They'll share the attendance voluntary for us, 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.480 it's voluntary. It means he means you show up if 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.680 you're if you're in the in the news for the 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.880 wrong reasons, you better show up. That's usually what it means, 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.200 I would think. But um, you know, well, we'll see, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.240 We'll see what happens and whether it changes any kind 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:54.920 of offseason draft strategy. Let me say real quick though, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:57.160 we do have to now I want to acknowledge. Sure 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.080 it was a person that died here. And I know 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.280 sometimes you can get caught up in the conversation talking 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.240 about football, but this man, camera ray Is is no 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.440 longer living because of what happened that night. And regardless 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.920 of what Kelvin Joseph's involvement is in that or not, 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:13.520 a man is still dead. And so we want to 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.520 you know, obviously his fist family, you know, you have 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.920 thoughts for them and and you know, want to make 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.000 sure they're okay. But at the end of the day, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:23.920 football takes a backseat to this because there's a man 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:28.479 that's dead, you know. So yeah, that's I mean, that's 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.719 a that's a weird situation, even as far as that 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.480 stuff goes, because like the information that we have, I mean, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.640 the information that his lawyer was willing to share, it 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.880 is like he was there that night. We know that 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.679 he was there didn't come to light for a month, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.120 and then he talks to the Dallas police. Don't want 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:49.320 to for too much from that, but two arrests were 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.479 made within two days of that conversation happening. Have a 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:58.080 feeling that's not a coincidence. Hasn't been charged with the crime, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.880 and he maintains that he was in any way the shooter. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.320 He is not shoot anyone. That's what he maintains, or 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.920 his attorney has maintained. There has been no charges, there 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.760 have been there's been no arrest. I completely understand the 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.640 point of view of anybody that's like, oh, it still 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.719 sounds pretty gross all things, if you just take the 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.160 totality of it again, this comes to light a month later. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.000 I understand if you still have some misgivings about what's 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.120 going on there. But to the point Nick just kind 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:30.640 of made is the Cowboys are going to wait and 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:32.840 see how this plays out. Are there going to be 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:37.239 legal actions toward Kelvin? Is there going to be NFL 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:42.320 disciplinary action? We have no idea about that either. And 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.760 it's ironic, and yeah, you're so right. I mean, it 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.919 feels gross to even talk about stuff like the draft 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.159 when somebody was killed, But the fact that it happens 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.600 a week before the draft just throws all of that 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.560 into further light where it's like, well, do we need 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.320 to be thinking about this when we're in the war 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.120 room trying to figure out what we need to do 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.839 with our picks on Thursday and Friday? Um, well, that 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.479 was gonna be my next question. Two part question really, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.320 one is, regardless of the legal outcome of the situation, 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:14.120 the fact that his name is tied to something as 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.920 severe as this, do you expect or think that the 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:23.600 Cowboys will make some kind of move there or And 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.240 the second part or sorry is like Dave said, and 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.920 you mentioned also Nick, how does that affect the draft 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.840 and what you start looking at as far as the 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.040 position itself. Yeah, if you would have asked me a 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.960 week ago that that very question about Kelvin Joseph, my 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.680 answer would not change. I don't think he's done anything 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:44.680 on the field to let you say that, oh, we 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.640 don't have to draft a corner because we got him. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.280 When you look at the position, just a little bit 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.640 more uncertainty for the future comes out. You know, what 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.720 what happens with Anthony Brown next year? His contract is up. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:00.640 I believe Jordan Lewis still has another year, but it's 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.240 a year they could get out of if they wanted to. 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.880 And then, of course Kelvin Joseph's you know, he hasn't 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.839 proven anything yet on the field, so you know, I 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.560 think there's a good corner you wanted to take. You 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.440 would take him regardless of this situation either way, because 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.760 you know you always did need good corners, especially in 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.640 the future. It looks a little uncertain. Yeah, and I'll 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:23.239 say this too. I mean it, and I'm just speaking 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.680 for myself. This is not the organization's take. I don't 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.720 know what their take is on this, but me personally, 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.840 reading the things that I read about Kelvin Joseph coming 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.440 in the door when the Cowboys drafted him, I was 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.520 already a bit skeptical of like the who he was 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.680 off the field and remind the people aside from the rap, No, 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.080 it wasn't even that, like I have no problem with 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.280 guys having a life outside of football. That doesn't bother 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.440 me at all. It was the fact that he was 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:50.120 at LSU and then he wasn't the issue. He was 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.200 at Kentucky and they were like, yeah, we're good. You 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.160 kind of just go on and do your thing, right. 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.040 It just the fact that there was there seemed to 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.920 be this cloud of just like and this guy I 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.440 don't know, you know. And so I'm not saying, like, again, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.120 I don't have a problem with a guy that has 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:06.720 a rap career on a problem with a guy who 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.520 has other interests outside of football. I just thought that 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.240 when he was first drafted, I had a little bit 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.440 of skepticism. And Nick's even talked about on this show, like, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.400 and you've made reference to it. I don't know how 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.080 many fans picked up on it, but Nick, you've used 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.960 it the term. I'm more concerned about, like, what does 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:24.840 he do in these months? Like that's gonna tell me 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.280 a lot about Kelvin. Joseph was talking about the offseason. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.720 I know what you're getting at. It's like, when you're 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.600 away from football, are you doing the things that you 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:34.719 need to be doing to be ready to play and 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.840 available to play when football comes back around. And so 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.920 I think there's a level of skepticism in my mind. 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.679 I don't know how the organization feels about that. I 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.240 wonder if this advances that or not, how they view 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.160 it and how they viewed him coming in the door 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:50.160 where they also like, hey, you know how they do 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.520 a second round picks Scott has a lot of talent, 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:54.400 will take a little bit of a chance on him, 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.079 and and and we'll just kind of see where we go. 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:00.360 I really don't know if the organization or how they 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:02.840 feel about felt about him coming in and how that much, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.800 how much that has changed after this incident. That's the 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:10.480 disappointing thing. And I ironically I said this last week 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.840 about a cornerback, Jordan Lewis. We were talking about, you know, 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.160 he came in with with the domestic violence issues, and 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.240 and that seems so crazy. And at the same time, 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.840 we don't know these guys right, at least not as well, 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.120 not well enough to just make these concrete statements about 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:30.560 who they are as people. M kelvin was a unique 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:34.560 circumstance because of my ties to LSU, Like, I had 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.080 many conversations with people who know him a hell of 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.040 a lot better than I did, and the word back 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.640 that I always got was like he is a good kid. 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.720 His sense of priorities and his pension for getting wrapped 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.480 up in the wrong things. Yes, they speak for himself, 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:53.720 They themselves like he went m I A from LSU's 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.000 program in the spring of like eighteen or I think 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.439 twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. He just like disappeared and 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:04.199 just stuff like that. And again, I don't want to 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.520 speak out of turn about what happened at this nightclub, 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.000 but the details that we have make it sound like 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.680 he got caught up in the wrong crowd and the 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.240 wrong situation. And again, what we keep hearing is like, 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.040 he did not fire a gun. He did not do that. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.520 But you were there, your decisions led you to this point. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.920 You allowed yourself to get caught up in that, and 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.480 it speaks to that idea of like maybe you are 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:31.200 not a bad person, but your critical thinking and your 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:34.440 your judgment and all of that stuff can be very 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.440 fairly called into question. And uh, that's not what's Yeah, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:41.800 that's actually that's the thing. Like you, Kyle was saying, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.280 we're looking at you know, we're further investigation, and you can, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.320 we can keep investigating this all you want to, but 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.079 facts remain. This is that it's not what you did, 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.800 it's what you did not do. That's that's that's not debatable. 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.560 You were there and you didn't call You didn't you 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.719 didn't let anybody know for for almost a month. That 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.280 is a problem your decision making is that that's an 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.120 issue that's always going to be there. So you know, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:08.920 let me say one more thing too. There are people 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.640 I'm sure fans are like that. I just get rid 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:13.880 of them. There are people I think in this building 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.760 that think that way as well, but who knows where 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.200 you know the real decision makers what they think. And 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.959 I'll say this, just because it hasn't happened right now 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.559 doesn't mean it will not. I think it's important for 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:29.040 the cowboys to figure out that the entire story, see 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.960 where things are going from there. But I don't think 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.160 it's well, if he hasn't been released, he won't be 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.880 I don't think that's true, but I don't. My gut 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.800 tells me that probably won't happen. Yeah, that's just what 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.760 I think. I think he will, but I lean toward 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.679 that too. But yeah, that's it just feels like a 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.240 weird limbo where we really probably haven't seen the end 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.040 of this story and it could go either way, which 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.800 I don't know. I'm not going to get up on 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:57.360 the table and proclaim what they should or shouldn't do, 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:59.440 but like I said at the top, like I don't 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.720 blame anybody that is sitting at home, like, yeah, even 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.559 if I don't have all the facts, Like it sounds 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:07.160 like this guy sat on this for a month and 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.040 that feels gross to me. I don't blame you if 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.720 you feel that way at all. I just hope that 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:12.800 he learns a lesson that my dad used to tell 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.600 me when I was a kid, which is, you are 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.480 always going to be judged by the people you hang around, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.439 So be thoughtful about who you hang around, because even 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.160 if you don't do anything, let's say assume he did 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:25.840 nothing wrong, let's say in this situation, the fact is 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:28.760 he's still not wrapped up in it because of the 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.520 character of the people that were with him. So hopefully 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:33.920 he learns that lesson, and this is a good life 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.240 lesson frame regardless of what happens with the case, regardless 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.400 of what happens with the cowboys. Hopefully it's a good 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.040 life lesson for him to know. You know, I might 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.160 need to choose better people run with, you know, if 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.719 I'm going to be out and about, I need to 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.120 choose people that I think represent the same kind of 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.000 values that I represent, and That's a tough thing because 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.080 it's not only what you do with your personal friends 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:55.640 and who you hang out outside of work, but you're 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.080 he's surrounded by people here, and people here are going 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.360 to be surrounded by him. So it's also that does 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.680 impact your locker room, your group, your defensive backs. So 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.880 you want to ensure that you have those tight groups, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.080 but make it the right kind of tight group. 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Seymour Do Moore Esler, Welcome 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.520 back to the Break. I do not want us to 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:43.560 sound like a broken record on this show, but how 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:48.640 to say it. I'm still kind of amazed, surprised and 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.640 with my eyes open and scratching my head at the 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.640 fact that you haven't brought some free agency help into 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.400 the building to kind of add some depth, some experience, 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:04.280 specifically talking about the O line and more specifically keep 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.840 talking the guard position of the Dallas Cowboys. We know 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:10.440 that you want to go into the draft with some 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.000 kind of depth in there, so that you're not necessarily 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.800 forced to grab a position because you really really need it. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.920 So I want to open up the questions to you guys. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.400 And Stephen Jones was talking about to the media and 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.080 one of the things that he mentioned when he was 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:29.760 asked about a guard he referenced um Sach Martin and like, yeah, 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:33.000 we love to have a guy like Sak Martin, Zach 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.960 Martin on the team, which is great anytime you can 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:42.880 find Hall of famers, great business. So but it's not 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.200 that easy. So I just want to talk about and 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.560 ask you guys, like, what the heck, what the heck 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:51.840 right now? What the heck with the guard position? This 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.120 is not a real surprise when you think about it, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.320 Like what the guard market is is not what the 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:02.280 cowboys like, Like they want Zach Martin, cool, good approach. 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.960 But the guy that they pushed with two hands out 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.240 the door got a seven million a year contract. So 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.360 anybody else that's been pushed out the door by their 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:16.800 respective teams is probably wanting something like that and they're like, no, 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.720 we that's not what we want to pay. They want 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.760 a bargain shop. But Connor Williams is making seven million 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:25.920 a year, so it doesn't make it. I mean, this 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.800 is not surprising that they don't like what's out there 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.960 because they want it cheaper, and those guys are like, well, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.119 I'm better than him. I find it very surprising. I 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.359 disagree because I am surprised too, But like, who do 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:41.720 you think they should sign? They immuly don't want the 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.640 guys that are out there because they've never stopped They've 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.639 never let the fact that a guy's not good stop 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:48.960 them from signing somebody in free agency. Like that's what 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.640 they do. They scrape the bottom of the barrel and say, well, 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.240 at least this guy has played tie and Secki was 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.560 not in high demand last year. Neither was I can 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:00.399 never remember the dude's name, the swing tackle Cam or 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:05.600 tie cam irving thank you m Yeah, Like they they've 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.320 never failed to find a nine hundred thousand dollars vet 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.360 that they can come. They're like, hey, he's not actually good, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.199 but at least he's played in the NFL. Who are 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.000 they actually saying that too when they go hards But like, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.719 let's say that they get that guy, whoever he is, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.560 they signed him, they signed him last week, and then 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:29.200 they draft the corner of the guard in the first round, Like, then, 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.840 what do you do with that guy? Got him swing 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:34.879 swing guard center or or you cut him? Yeah, you 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.480 decide whether you want him or go to we go 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:42.399 to camp with Kenyan Green, this old guy, uh Connor 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:47.080 McGovern and Matt Farniac and we cut whoever sucks them. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.280 But she just signed that guy after the drift. Now, 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.159 and that's I agree with you. I want to be like, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.280 I agree with what you're saying. I just find it 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.560 shocking because it is a noticeable departure from what they 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.480 usually do. And that's I spent two weeks saying and like, well, 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.160 you know they're not done because they haven't. They haven't 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.080 added the guy who sucks. That's what they do. They 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:07.040 go get the guy that sucks, and then they sell 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:08.679 us on him for a few weeks and then they 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.000 draft the new guy. That's what they do for nothing 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.879 else than just making sure other teams can't say, well 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.560 they gotta get somebody sad you jump over him in 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.560 the draft. Like that's the part that's surprising to me 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.000 is they're not setting themselves up to not get jumped 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.359 by someone, which just makes me think that I'm just 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:26.199 think maybe they want to be jumped, maybe Jared. All 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.680 the guards are gone, receiver, Sorry, Ted, but they took 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:34.520 its strategy. It's just it is. It's it's a departure 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.560 from what they usually do. And you're right, like the 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.440 price was high, but there were guys like I would 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.000 have I would have bet my life. No, I wouldn't 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:43.760 have bet my life. I say that too often. I'm 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.080 not betting my life over what the Cowboys doing free agent. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:52.760 But like wi Will Hernandez he signed with Arizona. Jermina 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.960 Fetti was another guy they kind of fit the mold 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.080 of like that guy who was kind of disappointing but 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.920 you could probably sign for less. And when that didn't happen, 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.919 I was like, Okay, I guess they're content to go 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.399 into the draft, and I think Nick's right. If they 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.360 don't get what they need, then I think they'll sign 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:14.680 that guy. But what concerns me about that is is 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.560 it gonna match up with what they want or what 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.800 they need like they are or are they going to 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.280 draft some guy and then go sit up there and 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:26.840 pat themselves on the back for what a good job 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.679 they did, when really they reached because they knew they 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:31.520 needed a guard, right and they're just hoping that we 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.040 never find out about it, and he's gotta play, and 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.240 he's got to play. Yeah, Like that's exactly right. The 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.320 two names to know are Zion Johnson out of Boston 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.000 College and Kenyan Green out of Texas A and M. 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:47.320 Those are the guards. Zion can play a little bit 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.000 of center for what that's worth, But those are the 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.159 guys that you would be drafting to fill that spot. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.840