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Speaker 1: out of the ground. One hundred and twenty five new regulations.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't do any good to have a permit

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Speaker 1: if it seemed possible or not or too expensive to

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Speaker 1: And so that's the trick. You end up with a

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Speaker 1: talking point saying nine thousand permits. But what they don't

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Speaker 1: mention is you have a permit that you can't do

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Speaker 1: anything with practically right, because there too many rules and

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Speaker 1: too many, too many costly rules, and this is the

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Speaker 1: game that knew some plays too boy. To prove their point,

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Speaker 1: they tried to convince the judge that this was a

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Speaker 1: real conspiracy, claiming, for instance, the oil company signed exchange

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Speaker 1: agreements that allow them to move gas back and forth

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Speaker 1: in ways that keep prices higher. But the oil company

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Speaker 1: said no, that's because if refineries were down for maintenance

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Speaker 1: or otherwise out of service, who wanted to have the

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Speaker 1: flexibility between the companies to move gas around to reach

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Speaker 1: the demand. I was like they were fishing here. Sure,

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Speaker 1: they're like defense attorneys. This is this is like you know,

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Speaker 1: OJ's defense team. It just makes stuff up. Here's another.

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Speaker 1: Here's another big one that is not addressed. We have

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Speaker 1: no pipeline to run from let's say the Gulf of

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Speaker 1: Mexico to California, because various governments won't allow the pipeline

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Speaker 1: to be built. So we can't ship the oil or

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Speaker 1: the gasoline directly to California. Right, it often has to

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Speaker 1: go on on ships which are more expensive, and then

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Speaker 1: those ships, I believe have to be entirely made up

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Speaker 1: of constructed in America, like you can't use foreign ships

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Speaker 1: to carry the oil. It's some law left over from

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Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds. There's a lot of these obscure situations

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Speaker 1: that get very little publicity, and even if you explained

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Speaker 1: it publicly, nobody would care, nobody'd be interested, or they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't understand it. All Right, we got more coming up

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Speaker 1: town and ken kf I am six forty live everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It's the iHeartRadio app by coming up after four o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Our guest will be an attorney by the name of

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Speaker 1: Michael Peacock. There's a news conference today. He's representing a

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Speaker 1: woman by the name of Jeanine Paridis. It was her husband,

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Michael Paridis, who was murdered. This is the El

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Speaker 1: Monte police sergeant who was killed in that ambush months ago.

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Speaker 1: We covered this story and of course the person that

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Speaker 1: did this was a parole lead. This happened at a

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Speaker 1: motel on June fourtheenth This man had prior convictions including

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Speaker 1: vehicle theft, resisting arrest burglary. This, by the way, was

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Speaker 1: the guy that there were reports about domestic violence problems

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Speaker 1: which could have resulted in him being sent back to prison,

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Speaker 1: but nobody really followed up on it, not not strongly

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Speaker 1: enough to get this guy off the streets. It says

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Speaker 1: here that his probation officer did file for a revocationless

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Speaker 1: probation because Floris allegedly assaulted his girlfriend a week prior,

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Speaker 1: yet he was not taken into custody. It's twenty five

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Speaker 1: million dollar claim against Los Angeles County DA George gascon.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Michael Peacock after the news coming up

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Speaker 1: at four o'clock. This is this is a lawsuit personally

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Speaker 1: against Gascone. Either way I read this, man, we'll find

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Speaker 1: out you're gonna end up paying. Well, that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: what's wurnering here because I don't know that the headline

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Speaker 1: is the Channel four story I'm looking at is they

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Speaker 1: file a twenty five million dollar claim against George Gascone. Right,

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Speaker 1: But because his actions are taken as the Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: County day, I don't know how indemned that he plays

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Speaker 1: into this out. Yes, okay, I think he should be

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Speaker 1: personally liable. He would be great if he bankrupted him

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Speaker 1: and he had to quit. Yes, he should should be liquidated,

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Speaker 1: sell his beautiful Long Beach estate. Did you know that's

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Speaker 1: where he lives. Apparently does he have a beautiful Long

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Speaker 1: Beach estate. He's in a nice neighborhood of Long Beach.

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Speaker 1: I understands he's lift off public money for many dings

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Speaker 1: near the water. Wow, that must be not it's nice

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Speaker 1: to have Huh. Other people are are dead because of him,

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Speaker 1: but he's got a nice place to go home to.

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Speaker 1: All Deborah Markets. Time once again for the dead chicken report. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear anything about dead chickens. Nebraska

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Speaker 1: is going to have to execute one point eight million chickens.

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of chickens. Why one point eight million? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: bird flu was found on a farm. Apparently the outbreak

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Speaker 1: has already prompted the slaughter of more than fifty million

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Speaker 1: chickens nationwide. How did they do that? And the Nebraska

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Speaker 1: Department of Agriculture said that the state's thirteenth case of

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Speaker 1: bird flu was found on an egg laying farm in

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Speaker 1: northeast Nebraska. This is about one hundred and twenty miles

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Speaker 1: north of Omaha. Omar was one of John's favor places. Wait,

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Speaker 1: they're killing the herd to save it? Yes, and no,

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Speaker 1: I mean I mean you got thirteen dead chickens and

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Speaker 1: you have to kill a million eight because they're concerned

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Speaker 1: that it will spread even more farms. Apparently, often the

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Speaker 1: bird flu is spread by birds that fly around. It's

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Speaker 1: not the chickens, but they dropped their poop or whatever

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Speaker 1: else in the area of these farms, and then these

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Speaker 1: chickens pick it up and whoop. It just moves to

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Speaker 1: the flock. Like, how do you kill? Like what method

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Speaker 1: do they use? Well, yeah, yeah, I am, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think I want to hear the answer. Well, last

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Speaker 1: time we talked about this, they deprived them of oxygen

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Speaker 1: or exactly, they would put them all in the room

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Speaker 1: and just suck out all the air or something like that,

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Speaker 1: Remember John, which is so cruel. It's over quickly. Um.

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Speaker 1: Nebraska second only to Iowa, which is killed fifteen and

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Speaker 1: a half million birds. Fifteen and a half million, same thing,

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Speaker 1: same outbreak. Yeah, but this bird, this bird flew was

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Speaker 1: a pretty big one this year. That's why you've you've

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Speaker 1: seen poultry prices going up turkey and chickens cost more

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Speaker 1: this year. It seems like an overreaction to me, and

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Speaker 1: they said that it usually happens during the summer. It

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Speaker 1: died off, but somehow it was a resurgence in sept

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Speaker 1: Timber of more bird flu case. It seems like if

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Speaker 1: you're killing millions of chickens, yeah, there'd be a chicken shortage. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Wild birds can often carry the disease without showing symptoms.

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Speaker 1: Sound familiar spreads through droppings or the nasal discharge of

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Speaker 1: an infected bird that can contaminate dust and soil. So

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Speaker 1: the chickens go around, they're picking at the dust and soil.

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Speaker 1: They pick up the droppings from this wild bird that

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Speaker 1: flew by, and there you go. You should never eat droppings. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're doing the soil. They're looking for worms and chicken whatever.

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Speaker 1: They chickens have to figure that out. It's part at Darwinism.

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Speaker 1: Don't eat a chicken brain, don't eat other birds poop.

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Speaker 1: My dog eats other animals poop. Yeah, mine is too. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just and he eats his own. Oh god, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm probably some nutrients in there's a recycling machine,

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Speaker 1: all right. When we come back, I'll go find out.

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Speaker 1: Is this gonna put George Gascon on the line as

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Speaker 1: a personal defendant. It's the widow of an El Monty

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Speaker 1: police sergeant who was killed in that ambush last June,

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Speaker 1: who has filed a twenty five million dollar claim against

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Speaker 1: George Gascon. Johnny Ken kf I Am six forty Live

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