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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, Steeler Nation, How you doing well? That's good

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Speaker 2: US too, Hour number two. Wes Shuler, Matt Williamson. It

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Speaker 2: is the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network on

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Speaker 2: a victory Monday for your Pittsburgh Steelers as they take

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Speaker 2: down the Bengals thirty four to twelve. Matt, we have

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Speaker 2: in the first hour of this program covered just about

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Speaker 2: I think every angle of that game, except for maybe

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Speaker 2: the one storyline that notionally is going to dominate that game,

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Speaker 2: and that, of course, the spitgate or whatever the heck

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Speaker 2: people are calling it between Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey,

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Speaker 2: and according to Adam Scheffer just recently, let me get

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Speaker 2: the exact wording here so I don't mess this up.

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Speaker 2: Wait a second, I just had it. Where is it?

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Speaker 2: An NFL spokesman said that the league is reviewing the

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Speaker 2: incident between Jalen Ramsey and Jamar Chase, and a decision

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Speaker 2: on supplementary discipline is expected today.

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Speaker 3: I beg it suspended a game.

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Speaker 2: I think so too, Yeah, because remember a couple. I

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Speaker 2: think there's two big things at play here, And you're right.

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Speaker 2: The first is it's a bad look. And the NFL

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Speaker 2: typically has when stories like this that have nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with the actual on field product ascend to the

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Speaker 2: forefront of the news cycle, they really don't like that.

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Speaker 3: No good old days where someone might not have seen it.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's understandably, so you're right. Now you do something like that,

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Speaker 2: and it is everywhere. It's on thirty seven different TV stations,

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Speaker 2: It's on all the different social media apps everywhere. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it was, if not the story in the NFL yesterday,

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Speaker 2: it was on the short list.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's like Josh Allen had six touchdowns and right.

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Speaker 2: Schnor Sanders play ye, Jamar Chase spit. I mean, like you,

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Speaker 2: that's your short list of national stories across the NFL.

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Speaker 2: And of course this happened that opening night Thursday game

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Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, j Carter and Dak Prescott. Jalen Carter ended

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Speaker 2: up not getting suspended, but remember the NFL's reason for

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Speaker 2: that was that he got thrown out before the first

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Speaker 2: play of the game, right, So it was essentially again

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Speaker 2: it was the huddle before the first play of the game,

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Speaker 2: and he gets thrown out before the balls even snapped

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Speaker 2: once opening kickoff, I think was the only thing that

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Speaker 2: had happened to that point. The NFL's logic when they

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Speaker 2: released their statement is, no, he's not going to get

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Speaker 2: suspended because it would have been a one game suspension,

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Speaker 2: but we kind of figured that that was the case

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Speaker 2: since he missed the whole game. Anyways, Well, this is

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Speaker 2: the opposite. This is the opposite. I mean, Chase ended

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Speaker 2: up playing the whole game, and this incident happened to

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Speaker 2: lose a guy, right, was it like midway through the

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Speaker 2: third quarter, late in the third quarter, somewhere around there.

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Speaker 2: I just again, the NFL doesn't mess around with a

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Speaker 2: lot of things, and one of them, rightfully so, is

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Speaker 2: the reputation of the shield. And this is the second

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Speaker 2: time now that there has been a spitting incident that

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Speaker 2: has again moved to the forefront of the news cycle.

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Speaker 2: And I gotta imagine they're gonna act pretty swiftly and

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Speaker 2: pretty like, let's let's make an example out of this.

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Speaker 2: This is the second time this has happened this year.

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Speaker 2: This cannot happen again. We've got to maybe make an

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Speaker 2: example out of Jamar Chase in this situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and fortunately It didn't happen the way I'm about

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Speaker 3: to describe it. But when Ramsey went out of the game,

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Speaker 3: when he was ejected, I immediately thought, oh no, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: seers are in control here, but Eccles hit that foot

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Speaker 3: situation didn't look great for a while. And oh, by

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Speaker 3: the way, Clark was a direct replacement for Ramsey in

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Speaker 3: case we have to do with Clark, and Dagger became

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Speaker 3: the full time safety, just so we know that that's

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Speaker 3: how they plan on doing it, which isn't great either.

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Speaker 3: But I thought, man, they're light at the corner position

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Speaker 3: because at points there Ramsey had to go back to

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Speaker 3: playing a little bit of corner, you know, because the

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Speaker 3: Eccles situation, Slave was already out in the mix. Samuel

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Speaker 3: and then I'm thinking, oh no, and this.

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Speaker 2: Is your best one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And frankly, just from a football perspective, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: what are the Bengals doing. The second he got ejected,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I would just live an eleven personnel, which

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Speaker 3: they usually do well. They come out with two tights.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you thinking, you know, like make

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Speaker 2: Their corner one, Joe Flacco drop it back against this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna need to score some points exactly. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: I mean, so what I saying originally was, fortunately that's

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Speaker 3: You know, it'd be terrible if it's like they lost

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Speaker 3: Because frankly, I know that you're not allowed to punch

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Speaker 3: guys in the helmet in a face mask, but you know,

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Speaker 3: still that's the rule. But everyone's gonna get punched if

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Speaker 3: you spit in the I mean, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 3: I think everyone's siding with Ramsey on this one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the backdrop of you'd just gotten a personal foul

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Speaker 2: minutes earlier and you know, if you get another one,

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Speaker 2: you're you're chucked out of the game is a fair point,

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Speaker 3: But also that's one of it didn't hurt the Bengals

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Speaker 3: at all in that game, and it hurt the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those things that I think everybody agrees

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Speaker 2: on is you get spit on by another human being,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, all, but who cares what happened a

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Speaker 2: Like I'm getting in this person's face, I'm feeling spite.

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Speaker 3: My tongue on that one.

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Speaker 2: I'm fit alone and he the action exactly right, exactly right,

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Speaker 2: And you know what I thought, Like Charlie Batch said

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Speaker 2: it really well in the Postgame show with with Mike Persuda.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I understand in that moment, you can't afford

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Speaker 2: to lose Jamar Chase. You know, it's not like the

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Speaker 2: personal foul happened two hours earlier and you forgot about it,

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Speaker 2: like it had just happened. You knew it was gonna

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Speaker 2: happen if you got another one. Excuse me, coffee went

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Speaker 2: down the wrong pipe there. But he was like, but

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Speaker 2: at the same time, he's like, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: hear from anybody about self control. Was if you've if

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Speaker 2: you've ever had somebody spit on you, you know what

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Speaker 2: that's like. It's like the biggest insult you can have

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Speaker 2: this is a moment where in the future that becomes

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Speaker 2: a reviewable or a discussable thing.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of thinking too, is like what if it

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Speaker 2: I don't blame the ref in the moment there's a

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Speaker 2: million things happening on the football field and you spit

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Speaker 3: And there was a lot of action and physicality, and

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Speaker 3: you know, so I definitely can see why they And

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Speaker 3: frankly at the time, don't care why you threw the punch.

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Speaker 3: I just caught you throwing a punch, So you're getting

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Speaker 3: kicked out right, And that's how the league works ninety

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Speaker 3: nine point nine percent of the time. And I get it.

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Speaker 3: But it would have been nice and maybe we're asking

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Speaker 3: too much that they somebody could have buzzed down like

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Speaker 3: they do on a roughing the passer or whatever and say.

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Speaker 2: You might want to take a look at it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, this guy really should not be ejected.

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Speaker 3: The other guy should, yes, you know, and then we

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Speaker 3: wouldn't talking about I mean, then then there's justice.

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Speaker 2: And it's justice. And then again from the NFL standpoint,

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Speaker 2: from the branding and the shield standpoint, it's not a

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Speaker 2: it's a story still. Jamar Chase gets kicked out of

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Speaker 2: the game for spitting on somebody, but.

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Speaker 3: It's a Jalen Carter story exactly.

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Speaker 2: Right, and it doesn't become the he said he said

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Speaker 2: in the post game where there's dozens of people in

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase's face, did you spit on him? Did you

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Speaker 2: spit on him? And he's like, no, no, I didn't

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Speaker 2: do it. And then there's dozens of reporters in Jalen

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Speaker 2: Ramsey's face did they spit on you? Did he spit

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Speaker 3: And then there's pretty clear evidence on video.

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Speaker 2: So you and I we were joking with Rob King,

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Speaker 2: like you you can't be in a grocery store now

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Speaker 2: and spit on somebody. And it's not on five different

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Speaker 2: camera angles, right, let alone an NFL field on a

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Speaker 3: You're not out in the woods, you know, yeah you are.

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Speaker 2: You are certainly not out in the woods, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I just that always surprises me. Jamar Chase also just

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Speaker 2: that was probably a mutual decision between him and the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. That's something will continue to wait upon. Matt

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Speaker 2: unfortunately became a storyline in this one. Yeah, but again,

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Speaker 2: you over you overcame it. That's the biggest Forget the

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Speaker 2: supplemental discipline and all that different stuff. I think we

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Speaker 2: were all in the same boat when it happened. You

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Speaker 2: all thought, oh no, this is still a one possession game, right.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, you've twenty some minutes left in

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Speaker 2: the game. At that point, Ramsey's playing great, the defense

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Speaker 3: And I was worried. That's the first time I was

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Speaker 3: really worried outside of like the first quarter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Same, I'm like, oh no, it's part of something that

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Speaker 3: could change the tide.

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Speaker 2: First forty minutes or so, you felt like you were

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Speaker 2: that game. And then that was like the could this

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Speaker 2: be the moment we're talking about all week that cost

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Speaker 2: the Steelers a win and could potentially cost them the

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Speaker 2: division and playoff spots and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: And boy, would that have been crappy.

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Speaker 2: It would have been terribly It would have been terrible.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, now I think it's easier to discuss uh in

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Speaker 2: the aftermath of a win with a little bit of

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Speaker 2: grace for Jalen Ramsey when you realize what happened. But

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Speaker 2: it's still it's it's not a great moment, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I think the NFL is going to react accordingly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he'll get spended for next week,

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Speaker 3: which doesn't do the Steelers any favors, but I mean

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Speaker 3: he deserves that. Then that it's a week without pay,

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Speaker 3: which is a substantial check for that, right, what's an

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Speaker 3: expensive loogie? Yeah, I mean, so that's that's a nice

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Speaker 3: chunk for charity out there, a couple million bucks going

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Speaker 3: to charity. But I do think it's kind of interesting

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Speaker 3: too that Ramsey has now played two games against Chase

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Speaker 3: in a Steeler uniform. I assume he matched up against

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Speaker 3: some they played.

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Speaker 2: They played in the Super Bowl, didn't they back in

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Speaker 2: a that makes sense, Yeah, twenty twenty one or whenever

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Speaker 2: that was with the Rams and the Bengals. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that they've a few times.

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Speaker 3: But I assume they'll play more next year. But the

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Speaker 3: first game, Chase does historic things in the stat sheet.

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Speaker 3: The second one we just described in great detail. What's next,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean like it's like the rumble in

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Speaker 2: of It's here in our number two West Hueler. Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: It's the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network, Your teams.

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Time to go around the league here on the Drive

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Speaker 2: and recap what was a wild week twelve week eleven,

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Speaker 2: Tyler V mister TV himself. One thing that we didn't discuss,

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean that's about a small differential even as

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Speaker 2: At Sharky's one summer, started debating this with Mike Persuda.

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Speaker 2: need is this baseball team to finish with eighty two wins,

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Speaker 2: hundred in baseball, right they play one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 3: Six doesn't make it a twelve seconds.

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Speaker 2: NFL regular season game.

436
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Speaker 3: They should be twenty second in power ranks or something

437
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 3: like that, not twenty eight.

438
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Panthers, Matt much like.

439
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 3: Is They're the hardest team for me to wrap my

440
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 3: head around.

441
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: Abbasing staying alive was that the Beg's G's much like

442
00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 2: the Beg's Carolina Panthers are staying alive. They're six and five.

443
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 2: They go to Atlanta and win thirty to twenty seven.

444
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 3: Especially Sample losing like they're not right the striking We.

445
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,879
Speaker 2: Saw that coming. Yeah, they're a half game behind the Bucks.

446
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 2: That's it right now.

447
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 3: It sounds like Penix has lost for.

448
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: The Penix has lost for the season, which is big

449
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 2: for them because London, London's hurt again too. Falcons are

450
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 2: probably angling for a top five, top ten pick here.

451
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the Rams own the pick. Like the Rams

452
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 3: could win the Super Bowl and get the eighth pick,

453
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's crazy, I win.

454
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 2: The Super Bowl and they draft Leonora's cellars around, right.

455
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 3: So Beijan was awesome. The other thing that shocked me

456
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,679
Speaker 3: because I am not a Bryce Young fan. He was

457
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 3: phenomenal in this game. He looked like Bama Bryce Young.

458
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: He looked like Heisman Bryce Young.

459
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 2: So hard to pin down.

460
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that whole team's all over the play.

461
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 2: Just when you think all right, it's time to give

462
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,199
Speaker 2: up on the Bryce Young experiment. He goes and has

463
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: a game like that, Yeah, and then he'll play and

464
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 2: then just when you think it's time to buy in

465
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 2: on the Bryce Young experience, he'll go out and lay

466
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 2: an absolute stinker.

467
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 2: But the Panthers at six and five, staying alive in

469
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,600
Speaker 2: the division hunt and I don't think any of us

470
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 2: saw that coming this late into the season for sure.

471
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 2: And speaking of those Tampa Bay Buccaneers, this was one

472
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 2: of the more fun back and forth games of the

473
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: weekend up in Buffalo, where the Bills move to seven

474
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 2: and three. I think Buffalo really needed that one. Yeah,

475
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 2: and Tampa now, don't look, but they're six and four

476
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,360
Speaker 2: after really one point, kind of being at the forefront

477
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: of some power rankings forty four to thirty two. The

478
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 2: Bills win.

479
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 3: I think in the Super Bowl year there's been two

480
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 3: instances of someone throwing and running for three touchdowns each

481
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 3: and they're both there, both Josh.

482
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Speaker 2: And they'll probably do it again next year. You know,

483
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: he's pretty good.

484
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,719
Speaker 3: He gets in the end zone at a remarkable rate

485
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: in every way you can imagine.

486
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,160
Speaker 2: The Bills have their flaws, but they also have Josh Allen.

487
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and their run defense is a flaw. I mean,

488
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: I think, just a pretty equal game except for a

489
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 3: couple Josh Allen magic. You know, like, I wouldn't be

490
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 3: super down on the box or anything.

491
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: If you and I are doing a Madden style fantasy draft,

492
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: throw every player in the NFL into the pool draft

493
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 2: and starting over. Yeah, yeah, you've got the first pick,

494
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: taking Josh Allen.

495
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 3: You mean in the real world or fantasy in the.

496
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: Real world right here today, you're starting an NFL team.

497
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: Every player in the league is available.

498
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 3: I might take him over my homes at this point,

499
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 3: I think.

500
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: I might as well. Tay, I like too, just because again,

501
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: he's so hard to prepare for. He's a nightmare.

502
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 3: He's an absolute nightmare. I think he's gonna go down

503
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: as an all time great.

504
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: I do too, especially he just gets one Super Bowl

505
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 2: that he's going to be on that short list.

506
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: Know that that team can win the Super Bowl though

507
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 3: I don't.

508
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: I don't either, but hey, he might. He might be

509
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: able to will them across the line.

510
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, if anyone league can.

511
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: Right now, huge one for the Texans, matt As they

512
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 2: started slow, fell behind real in Tennessee, but came back

513
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: to win sixteen thirteen, Davis Mills getting it done, keeping

514
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: them alive at five and five as the Titans suffer

515
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 2: another another tough one.

516
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't see a ton of this one.

517
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: I mean, other than what you said, I don't have

518
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: a lot to add to it. But I do think

519
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 3: Houston is viable in the AFC.

520
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 2: Yes, they're not going away. No, every time they've had

521
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: a chance to, they've kind of, you know, planted their

522
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: flag in the sand and gotten it done. Nico Collins

523
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: ninety two yards and a touchdown. He's starting to look

524
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 2: a little bit more like himself. That's a big development

525
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 2: for them. Houston's gonna play some real important games down

526
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 2: the stretch. Obviously, great defense they they sure do. Maybe

527
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: one of the best in the NFL. We mentioned the

528
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. They go to Minnesota and take care of business.

529
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 2: Nineteen to seventeen looked like the Vikings won it late.

530
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: Kind of what happened to the Bears in Cincinnati two

531
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,439
Speaker 2: weeks ago roller Coasters. Yeah, they looked like they were

532
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 2: going to lose it at the very end, and then

533
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,400
Speaker 2: they in Cincinnati pulled out that. Of course, long touchdown

534
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 2: play to Colson Loveland. Here they hit a field goal

535
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: at the death to win it on the road against Minnesota,

536
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: who falls to four and six the Bears at seven

537
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: and three first, Just like we all predicted back in

538
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: the summertime. The Chicago Division there number one staring down

539
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and they're in first place.

540
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. A couple of notes for this one I picked

541
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 3: up was the Bears late in the game had a

542
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: long kickoff return to set.

543
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: Up that field goal. Whoa you know?

544
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 3: I mean that. And Minnesota's quarterback play remains bottom the league.

545
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's a problem. And I know McCarthy's

546
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 3: only started like five or six games in his career,

547
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: but they're not getting good quarterback play at all. And

548
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 3: the nugget I saw here that's insane is Flores blitzed

549
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams just under eighty percent of his dropbacks. Wow,

550
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean, like unheard of numbers, and Williams handled it fine.

551
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: I mean he's coming along really well.

552
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: He sure is.

553
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 3: He is talented man.

554
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I mean he is one

555
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: of the most perplexing quarterbacks to watch because he'll make

556
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: a couple holy crap. How did he do that? Plays

557
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 2: every single game as much as any quarterback. Guys. It

558
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 2: will also make a holy crap what was he thinking?

559
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: There plays and those.

560
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: Are getting a little fewer. And he used to be

561
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 3: like to take sack master.

562
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I know TV will remember this. Yeah,

563
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the year, and you were like,

564
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: Kaylen Williams loves to take sack and.

565
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: He's getting better at it. I think love love to

566
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 3: take sex, not as much anymore.

567
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: He's getting much better at it. He certainly is.

568
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: He might be getting faster too. I'm gonna say that

569
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 3: all week. Like his over twenty mile an hour runs.

570
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: He's like at the top of the league. It's not Henry,

571
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: It's not you know, Jon.

572
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: I mean he flies, he does, he does, he really does.

573
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: Only despite getting blitz that much, was only sacked twice. Yeah,

574
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: and uh about it the Bears at seven and three

575
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: and boys, I tell you that's going to be a

576
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: wild atmosphere at Soldier Fields six days from now for

577
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: a Bears fan base that has not had much excitement

578
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: in recent years.

579
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: He's never had a quarterback in my life, and now

580
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: they have to be jumping out of their skin.

581
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: Also, I mean when was the last time they went

582
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: to the playoffs? Like Jack Cutler was there? I mean

583
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: now again Thanksgiving week, they're going to be first place

584
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: in the division.

585
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 3: Right, did get and Walter Payton a long time ago?

586
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: Did go Da Bears Packers staying within a half game

587
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: of the Bears. They go to MetLife wasn't pretty, but

588
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: they got it done against Jameis Winston in the g

589
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: Men twenty seven to twenty penned down.

590
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're a little disappointing, especially on defense offense.

591
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: You can explain some injuries and stuff, but Green Bay

592
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: is not playing.

593
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: At a high level. They're not, and the good news

594
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: for them is they continue mostly to find ways to

595
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: win and hopefully, you know, if they if it does

596
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: start to click for them, you're in good position. But

597
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: they have not been the team that we've now where

598
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: maybe Carolina has been hard to pin down in.

599
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: A good way, oh yeah, way exceeding.

600
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: Green Bay has been hard to pen down in a

601
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: bad way.

602
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not super impressed with where they've been the

603
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks.

604
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: An impressive victory for the Jags Matt who continue to

605
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: stay hanging around in the playoff picture. In the playoff

606
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: conversation we talked about it, could the Chargers kind of

607
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: take the momentum of a big win in one of

608
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 2: those tough across the coast one o'clock games from West

609
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: Coast teams. They did not. Jags beat them down thirty

610
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: five to six.

611
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Not a competitive game at all, which I was

612
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: shocked of. I thought this would be a pretty close battle.

613
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: I picked the Jags, but I did not think this

614
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: was coming.

615
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: One thing that I certainly did not think was coming,

616
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: Matt was Sam Darnald throwing four interceptions.

617
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 3: That was a total difference in the game.

618
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: Right, the Rams win twenty one to nineteen. You just

619
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: see that and you think, oh, close, low scoring game

620
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: between two good teams NFC contenders. Man Sam Darnald squinted

621
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: your eyes out there, and I thought it was my

622
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: boy Geno Smith for a second again still in Seattle,

623
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: like they just after. He has done so much good

624
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: this season. That was a big step back for him

625
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: and for the Seahawks in that loss.

626
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Seattle's defense was phenomenal. I thought it was

627
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 3: a very evenly played game, with the exception of that obviously,

628
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: which is massive.

629
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Makes you wonder a little.

630
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like even his last two games in Minnesota

631
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: were a week eighteen game they had to win and

632
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 3: then a playoff game, of course, and they were his

633
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: worst two games. Like, I'm not saying he's not clutch

634
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: or he doesn't have it, you know, but when the

635
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: when the level competition ramps up together the best teams

636
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: in the league, he might be a little behind.

637
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: This is that, and that's as much as it can

638
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: be unfair. That's also the splitting hair difference of the

639
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: good quarterbacks in this league and the great quarter right

640
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: rrect league.

641
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you can't play, it's just you know,

642
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: this was not a good show.

643
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: It is a credit to Seattle, though. You lose the

644
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: turnover margin minus three on the road, yeah, and it

645
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: was still only a two point game.

646
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: Stafford McVeigh in a big time. Yeah, But that just

647
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: see im a psyched for the second time for them,

648
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: maybe even a third.

649
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, And if the Seahawks don't shoot themselves in

650
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: the foot, they're going to be in a good position.

651
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: First road loss for Seattle all year, though, is it

652
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 2: finally those guys lost one way from Home Niners. Another

653
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: team who hard to pend down, but they are continuing

654
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: to stay viable, continuing to win games. They moved to

655
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: seven and four with a big forty one to twenty

656
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: two win in Arizona. This was back in the fall.

657
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: Twoty was back and good. Now. I don't think the Niners,

658
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: despite every reason too, particularly on that defense, I don't

659
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: think they're going anywhere.

660
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: I think they would end up in the playoffs when's

661
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: all said and done.

662
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: They don't have a real hard playoff game in that division.

663
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: I could see it.

664
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 3: Arizona's really falling off in a big way. Were set

665
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: set the record for most completions in NFL history? Did

666
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: he really forty seven?

667
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: Holy cow? You're right? Forty seven of fifty seven for

668
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty two yards.

669
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 3: And they didn't score many points. You completed forty seven passes,

670
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: more than any quarterback in history and they wild. I'm

671
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: a little shocked that that's the record, Like that's a

672
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 3: big number, but I would have guessed it was like

673
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: fifty five in an overtime game, right, you know, something crazy, one.

674
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: Of those one of those Rams Chiefs fifty six to

675
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: fifty nine type games that we saw a few years ago.

676
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 3: There was a game you probably don't even remember it,

677
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 3: but Brady played again when they went to Minnesota. It's

678
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: the Williams Wall. It was like the best run defense

679
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: in the world. And like Brady used to do against

680
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: like Casey Hampton, where they don't even try to run, you.

681
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: Know, like and just Broker four or five yards right time,

682
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: right forty seven is a record impressive for him. But

683
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, they've done the inverse of the Bears, where

684
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: the Bears of one to seven of their last dight,

685
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: the Cardinals have lost seven of their last A lot

686
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: of them were tight losses.

687
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: This was not, but they could have.

688
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: They started they started two to zero Arizona did. They're

689
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: now free. They're now three and seven, have a lot

690
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: of injuries going on to Matt one. That was almost

691
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 2: a really great outcome for the Steelers. Just a bit

692
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: shortening Yell. The Browns fall to the Ravens twenty three

693
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: to sixteen. The Browns defense played great, but they scored

694
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: no points in the second half. Dylan Gabriel got a concussion,

695
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: so Door Sanders had to come in. He threw an

696
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: interception and did not look good. Devin Bush had a

697
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: pick formerly of this parish, Devin Bush had a a

698
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: pick six. Cleveland hung around and gave him some hell.

699
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: But the Ravens a fake push push trick play to

700
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: Mark Andrews. Able to do that was crazy.

701
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: I give him credit for that. That was abriative and

702
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: very nice.

703
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: Able to do just enough Baltimore to get it done.

704
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: They move to five and five, back to five hundred

705
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: with four straight wins, now on the bounce for Baltimore.

706
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: So it's division game. So I wanna talk a little

707
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: bit more about this one. I know I'm not allowed

708
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: to say anything good about Miles Garrett, but he had

709
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 3: four freaking sacks and I think he's going to set

710
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: the sack record.

711
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: I mean he thinks. So what's he at now? He'll

712
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: look it up for you.

713
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: He's ridiculous right now. They had no answer for him.

714
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: It felt like he made every play on a good defense.

715
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: He's got fifteen, he's a fifteen.

716
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he's gonna get the twenty.

717
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: And he's still got to play the Steelers though, and

718
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: you know that's gonna be He.

719
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: Always doesn't do much against I know that, Yeah, strike.

720
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 2: That from the record. I don't want to jinx it.

721
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't want to jinx it.

722
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 3: He's ridiculous right now. But as good as he is,

723
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,479
Speaker 3: and I think he's the best defensive player walking the planet.

724
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: Their offense is equally as bad. I mean, their quarterbacks

725
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: are horrendous and Sanders s Garrett play quarterback Dylan Gabriel

726
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: looked like, check down, back up, get you out of

727
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: a game, dude. You know, their quarterback I don't think

728
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: is on the roster. Maybe I'd roll with Sanders just

729
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: to see you, but man, he's far off. But their

730
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: defense is great, led by Garrett. But to me, this

731
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: was a very losable game by the Ravens. And I

732
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: know division game on the road is never a sure thing,

733
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: especially in the AFC North.

734
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: Especially this time of year. Two Yes, cold and windy

735
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: and Cleveland. Yeah.

736
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: And I picked the Ravens to win the Super Bowl

737
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: before the season, and as the season started, I'm like,

738
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: all this.

739
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: Guy does is love Miles Garrett the Steelers audio network.

740
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: I don't think the Ravens can get to that level.

741
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: I mean, because they had issues before Lamar and all

742
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: those injuries that showed up again here. You know, like

743
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: both lines of scrimmage are below average.

744
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: And I think they can get to the Steelers Jacksonville

745
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: Division Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yel like they're a good team.

746
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: They could win a playoff game or two, but you

747
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: don't really view them as an upper echelon content.

748
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: I don't think they had the ceiling that I thought

749
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: they did, you know, yeah, yeah, and.

750
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: Maybe even It's like, at least the Steelers have that

751
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: defense to hang their hat on, you know. At least

752
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: Tampa has an offense with weapons everywhere. Baltimore is like

753
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: they got Lamar and which is great. He's not even

754
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: playing he didn't play that great.

755
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: Yes, he's not playing like the MVP, right, Yeah, that's

756
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 3: for sure, since he came back from injury, he's not

757
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: looking like that. But again, I mean, Noby can block

758
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Miles Garrett.

759
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 2: I know that that's the most fifteen sacks, doesn't he.

760
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: I know it's like the most unpopular thing to say

761
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: on these airways, but you have to recognize how he's playing.

762
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 2: It's it's rare, folks.

763
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: He is a madman.

764
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: Seven games left for Cleveland. What's the record, like twenty

765
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: one and a half? I think, isn't it? The TJ

766
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: and uh and uh The thing is he gets them

767
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 2: in bunches. Michael strahanded.

768
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean whenever he gets a bad tackle like

769
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: he did yesterday twenty two and a half. I don't

770
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: know if he'll get there not.

771
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: I mean he needs seven and a half more to

772
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: tie in seven games. Yeah, eight, I mean he could

773
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: definitely get eight. If he has average four five sack game.

774
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 3: I mean he'll be That's the thing is whenever he

775
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: gets uh, you know, a cream puff, he.

776
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: Gets Okay, they got the Raiders, maybe the worst offensive

777
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: line in football next week. Yeah, gino holding onto the

778
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: ball away too long, trying to two or three there?

779
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 2: Two three there. Then they host the Niners. That might

780
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: be tough, Shanahan. I'm sure we'll have a good game

781
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: plan with the He'll be smart. Not let him beat him. Titans,

782
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: he could easily could easily get a handful there in Chicago.

783
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: He could easily get a couple there against Caleb Williams. Okay.

784
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: Then they host the Bills. Josh Allen different animal than

785
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 2: Steelers than at Bengals. Dang he could man, Yeah, I

786
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: don't like that.

787
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: No, I don't either, but he is. You watch his game,

788
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 3: the game yesterday, it's like they have no answers for

789
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: him at all. It's like watching lawren S Taylor in

790
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty three.

791
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 2: It's like you said, It's like, hey, we're doing all

792
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: we can to stop Michael Jordan. He's still putting up

793
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 2: fifty Bill Duncan on our heads. Yeah, except for Fortunately

794
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 2: for Michael Jordan, he had a really good team around

795
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: him too. Whereas Miles gone, they're not going anywhere. He

796
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: has a bunch of Blair.

797
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

798
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Maybe defense back. Hey, maybe Miles should have remembered that

799
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: when he rescinded his trade request and re signed that

800
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: big deal. And that's all I'm saying.

801
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: I think his deal I need to look into it.

802
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 3: And this is a conversation for months down the road.

803
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: I think he still could get traded without destroying their cap.

804
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: If you're Cleveland and you've already got two first round

805
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: picks next year, why not have four? Why not have four, four, four, three,

806
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 2: and then two again in twenty twenty sevens.

807
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: Right, and draft a million offensive linemen and the best

808
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 3: quarterback in one of these two drafts. I mean, by

809
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: the time you're good again, is Miles Garrett's still going

810
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 3: to be good? You're three years away, probably for being

811
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: he's also close to thirty. I don't think he's gonna

812
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 3: fall off the face of the earth. But that's also

813
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 3: just father time common sense. Matt two more, and they

814
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: were two very important ones to five star matchups, the

815
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: first in Denver where the Broncos don't call them Yonkos

816
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: myron cope. Yeah, continue to take care of business twenty

817
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: two to nineteen over the Chiefs. Broncos moved to nine

818
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: and two currently the one seed with the Chargers loss.

819
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: With the cheat that divisions there sparring something insane. I

820
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 2: would imagine that division is Theirs and Matt.

821
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: The bigger story is, like, where's this leave the Chiefs.

822
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to see them number one on the

823
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: Super Bowl odds anymore. I'm done with it. That's what

824
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: I was doing with this for you. I still think

825
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: they could make the playoffs. They could still get hot.

826
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 2: I am not going to ever write them off until

827
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 2: the body is cold. I've told you that a few

828
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: times this year. But I'm done talking about Kansas City,

829
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: Like it's just inevitable that they're going to flip a

830
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: switch and become world beaters again.

831
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, And they haven't played bad in any

832
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: of these losses. They're all respectable losses. You lose the

833
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: Bills in a tight one in Buffalo, Hey.

834
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: Losing Lions and a tight one, yeah yeah, I.

835
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: Mean in Denver against one of the best teams in

836
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: the league, one of the best defense in the league.

837
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: It's not.

838
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: And they're close. You're not losing by thirty or anything.

839
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 2: Horseshoes and hand grenades. Man, you're five, you're five and five.

840
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: And they used to win all these close games, I mean,

841
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: and now they're losing a lot of them. And I

842
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: forget which commentator I heard. It might have even been

843
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: before the Sunday night or and when he said it initiear,

844
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, eh, but I forget. There's something along the

845
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: lines of the Super Bowl changed the opinion of the

846
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: other players in the league about the Chiefs, you know,

847
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: like you watch them get whitewashed by the Eagles in

848
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, which every eye in America saw. It's like

849
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: we could do that to them, you know, like they're

850
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: they're not this maybe they're not this god like right, right, right,

851
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: I can wear that fastball, you know.

852
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: Right, it's a good point. It's a very good point.

853
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: Five And five. They host Indie next week, Is that

854
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: a must win? Yes?

855
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

856
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: You look at their schedule right now, okay, and be

857
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: off a bye you that's a good point too. You

858
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: look at their schedule right now. They go to Dallas,

859
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 2: that should be a win. They go to Tennessee that

860
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: should be a win. They go to Las Vegas that

861
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 2: should be a win. But those are all three on

862
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: the road. You circle those as wins for Kansas City.

863
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: But they're all three on the road. Colts at home,

864
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: tough Texans at home, tough Chargers at home, tough Broncos

865
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: at home. Tough. Yeah, they probably they probably need five

866
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 2: more wins to get into the postseason losses at most.

867
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,439
Speaker 2: I mean, if you lose to the Colts this week

868
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: and you're five and six.

869
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: Right, it would be amazing if like the Jacks go.

870
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: On tour with Taylor Swift and just take the rest

871
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: of the year off man and they have they do

872
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: not have the tiebreaker against the Jacks. I think they

873
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 2: have a bad tie break, which is which is important

874
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: to note. I'm glad you mention that, Yeah, Bills, they

875
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: don't have the tiebreaker against And if Houston beats a

876
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 2: Houston record, if Houston beats them, they wouldn't have it

877
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: against them either. Lost to the Chargers, beat the Ravens,

878
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: lost to the Jaguars, beat the Raiders. That's two and

879
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: two lost of the Bills lost to the Broncos, two

880
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: and four.

881
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: The record, because that's what's gonna come down to if

882
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 3: they're not gonna win division.

883
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: They've also only won one game in the division, So yeah,

884
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: I mean shocking. It is shocking.

885
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 3: And I don't think they're bad.

886
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: I think we all thought the city would take a

887
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: little bit of a step back this year. But from

888
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: fifteen to one to three straight super Bowls, yeah, we

889
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 2: I thought it would still like eleven or twelve win

890
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: and maybe you don't make the Super Bowl. Step back.

891
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: Not this this someund's dumb. But I still think this

892
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: year's team's favored against last year's team.

893
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: Dude, maybe yeh. I risk gets back to the This

894
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: is why I called Lane Kiffin abozo for saying we

895
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: should just let Vegas pick the college football playoff because

896
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: Vegas is still picking the Chiefs to win the Super

897
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: Bowl until Sunday.

898
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: I bet that has to change.

899
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry at every I'm looking at the camera. I'm

900
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: looking at the cameras. I say this at every level

901
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 2: of football. We have to stop pretending like wins and

902
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: losses don't matter.

903
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: It makes me crazy.

904
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: It makes me crazy, And that's much more goal. That's

905
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: much more of a college football thing. I heard some

906
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: dude on ESPN yesterday saying I'd take three lost Texas

907
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: in the playoff over one lost Texas Tech. Then why

908
00:40:58,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: play the game?

909
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: We're are we doing in October November?

910
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: If we don't start again, we, not you and I,

911
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: the general we of the football world, start recalibrating expectations

912
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs. What's the point of playing the games?

913
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: What's the point of the results? Just put Kansas City

914
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship game.

915
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look tomorrow, but I'm curious who is the

916
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 3: favorite in the AFC I can. I mean, we'll get

917
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 3: one more game in the books.

918
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 2: That's why that's true, that influence anything.

919
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: Obviously, I'm guessing it's the Colts.

920
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: The Buffalo Bills have overtaken the Kansas City Chiefs, the

921
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: Broncos right on their heels, then the Colts, then the

922
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. Bills Chiefs are still second best.

923
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 3: Wrong about any of those teams.

924
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: Still, I'd probably take the Colts.

925
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: But is Daniel Jones gonna outdo my homes Bills?

926
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: Bills won, Broncos two Chiefs, sorry, Colts three Chiefs for

927
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: Ravens five.

928
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: I guess I'm not shocked that the Bills are one.

929
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 2: Patriots there as well too. And again, Matt, if so, what,

930
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: they've played ten games, seven games left. If the Chiefs

931
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: win six of their next seven and go into the

932
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: playoffs at eleven and six or whatever that would be

933
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: and the team that nobody wants to play, that wouldn't

934
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: surprise me. But they've lost, I think all benefit of

935
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: the doubt now until we see that happen. That's where

936
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm at.

937
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that what you said, but I

938
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: don't want them coming to Acusher and no wild Guard.

939
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I know that.

940
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: I know that, But like if they were coming here

941
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: on Christmas again this year, it wouldn't feel like it

942
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: did last year. No, I agree, when that team was

943
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: thirteen and one and it was like, oh man, this

944
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: could be this could be a rough day out.

945
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: They're just kind of like another team right now.

946
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not the team, they're another team, albeit

947
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: with one of the greatest quarterbacks and one of the

948
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: greatest coaches that we've ever seen. But again, the games matter,

949
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: the results matter. If not, let's just have Alabama versus

950
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 2: Ohio State every year for the National Championship and the

951
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: Chiefs against the Packers for the Super Bowl this year,

952
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: or whatever the Lions or whatever it would have been

953
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: going into the year. Speaking of the Lions, they drop

954
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: a tough one in Philly, whipped, low scoring, physical game.

955
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: I think you're right their win game sixteen to nine.

956
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: The Eagles win, but that it felt like one of

957
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: these games where the final score wasn't really indicative of

958
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: how the sixty minutes played out. Felt like the Eagles were.

959
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: It's the defense.

960
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: It is roaring right now, and I think they're only

961
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: going to get better. Phillips and some of these pieces

962
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: continue to get more and more comfortable with what they're

963
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: being asked to do.

964
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeap that they're great at basically every level of defense.

965
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: Extremely well coordinated.

966
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 2: Golf. I've all I like golf, but he's glad you're

967
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,800
Speaker 2: going there because I wanted to mention.

968
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I've always kind of called him a fair

969
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: weather quarterback, played in LA and then a dome and

970
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 3: fair weather is kind of a generic term. I don't

971
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: always mean bad weather, you know, rain, sleet, hail. I

972
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 3: just mean tough times too, you know, and protected wells

973
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: a certain style. You know, he's on an improv guy.

974
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 3: They they had no answers for that defense.

975
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Though.

976
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't on golf necessarily, well some, but I mean

977
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: that it wasn't a particularly close game golf.

978
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: To me, it's the everyone in the YouTube comments will

979
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: love this one. Same church, different pew as the conversation

980
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 2: that we just had about Sam Darnold. Yeah, yeah, they're good.

981
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: They're belong in the NFL. Heck, they're even better than good.

982
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah they are. They are the top ten guys in

983
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: that eight to twelve range, eight to fourteen range of

984
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the NFL. But in games like this, against

985
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: teams like that, that's where the Allens and the Mahomes

986
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: and Aaron Rodgers of the world really separate themselves from

987
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: as all time greats. And I think we saw that

988
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: just so many opportunities for Detroit to make a play

989
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 2: and just couldn't get it done.

990
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: No, but boy, their offense was overwhelmed.

991
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: Yes, Ron, yes they were, and all of a sudden

992
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: don't look now lines are six and four without a

993
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: ton of ton of wiggle room in a tough division,

994
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: and the Eagles are eight and two and starting to

995
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: look like that proverbial NFC favorite once again again, there's

996
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 2: our thoughts on Week eleven around the National Football League,

997
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 2: A big one for a lot of different reasons across

998
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 2: the AFC and the NFC. We are overdue for a break.

999
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: We wrap this thing up. On the other side, it's

1000
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network, your tunes.

1001
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

1002
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation.

1003
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 2: Radio final segment of the day, Matt, and we have

1004
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: like one hundred seconds before we got to go.

1005
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, say, we've been talking it up.

1006
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 2: Beefy around the league segment. Baby, I like doing that

1007
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: on Mondays. Though we do spend the vast majority of

1008
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: our time here on this show talking about the Pittsburg Stellars,

1009
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: but from time to time, when we go around the

1010
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: league and we do around campus those things, I think

1011
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: people enjoy that as well. Yeah. Yeah, if you're listening

1012
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: to the show, you're obviously a Steelers junkie, but I

1013
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: think you probably love football in general as well.

1014
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: To pull back curtain. Thirty segments a week on just

1015
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 3: one football team is a lot.

1016
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: No doubt, Even if you are the biggest diehard Black

1017
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: and Gold don't give a rip about anybody else, that's

1018
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 2: still a lot.

1019
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: You're asking a lot from us to be entertaining for

1020
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 3: thirty segments on one team.

1021
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: Matt, I don't know how entertaining Tonight's Monday night football

1022
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: games would be. But it is in the entertainment capital

1023
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: of the United States, although I guess technically that's Los

1024
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: Angeles and not Las Vegas. Who cares out there in

1025
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: one of those crazy cities out west. The Raiders two

1026
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: and seven Wolf hosts the Cowboys three five and one

1027
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: Wolf Dallas a three and a half point favorite there

1028
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: in Viva Las Vegas.

1029
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: Do things anywhere. I think the Raiders are the Cows

1030
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: at least.

1031
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: Think they can go. Yeah, but you're right, I do

1032
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 2: think the Raiders are clearly the worst team. Yeah.

1033
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, Raiders are bottom five team in

1034
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: Dallas is at least a level or two above that. Yeah,

1035
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: and it's probably a small deal if you're not a

1036
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: Cowboys fan. I'm gonna say, see Quinn Williams's first game

1037
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: in Dallas and Wilson the line, but especially william Yeah,

1038
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: but you know, right, they made some changes and good

1039
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: for them, you know they did.

1040
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: Could be a high scoring one for Dallas with think

1041
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 2: they put the pieces back on that offense and a

1042
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: bad Raiders defense. But Dallas three and a half point favorites.

1043
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: That almost feels like right, like this feels like it

1044
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: should be five and a half, six and a half.

1045
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: I realize it's on the road, but also, let's not

1046
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: kid ourselves. The Raiders don't have a great home field

1047
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 2: advantage ever since they left ever since they left Oakland.

1048
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: There will be a lot of Cowboys fans there. The

1049
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: Cowboys fans are like Steelers fans. They show up everywhere.

1050
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 3: I would take the Cowboys mind and give the points.

1051
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: It's an easy one. Like I said, it's almost one

1052
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: of those like, all right, what does Vegas know? Type right?

1053
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: I would think that that would be five and a half,

1054
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: six and a half, three and a half. And I

1055
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: realized the game is in Las Vegas, but again it's

1056
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: Dallas come off a bye too. You know, it'd be

1057
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: like a bowl game atmosphere of fifty to fifty if anything,

1058
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: But I think it'll probably even be sixty forty cowboys. Yeah,

1059
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: seventy thirty cowboys. That's how it's been for the Steelers

1060
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: every time we've gone out there. So we'll see not

1061
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: a bar and burner, but you know, expensive tickets. Tonight,

1062
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 2: I was looking on.

1063
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: The second that to me means there's a lot of

1064
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: Cowboys fans want to go.

1065
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, looking on the secondary market, Matt, it's like,

1066
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: let's look here real quick, because I looked earlier and

1067
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it. Yeah, right now, you're talking at

1068
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 2: least four hundred and fifty five hundred dollars for nose bleeds,

1069
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: for nose bleeds.

1070
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: For teams that are five total win bad teams.

1071
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 2: That are I think a lot of Cowboys fans playing

1072
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: a strip out of this, and they're there in town.

1073
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a pseudo home game for them, and

1074
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 2: I expect them to win. Pretty good Cowboys fans with that, totally, totally,

1075
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: So we'll recap that one briefly. Tomorrow we'll talk to

1076
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 2: Chris will have the Mike Tomlin news conference. That could

1077
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 2: be a big one. That could be a big one

1078
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: in terms of obviously what we are waiting to hear

1079
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: in regards to the signal caller Aaron Rodgers, so planning

1080
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: to get to on the program tomorrow. Thanks to Rob

1081
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: King for joining us today, to our video producer Tyler

1082
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 2: v mister TV for making sure we look handsome on YouTube,

1083
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 2: and of course to the best co host the guy

1084
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,800
Speaker 2: can ask for, Matt Williamson. I'm West Shouler. Take care everybody.

1085
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: We will talk to you tomorrow. As always, you know

1086
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: where to find us. It's on your twenty four to

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Speaker 2: seven home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network.