Speaker 1: It's seven two in o Jai and you're listening to
Speaker 1: Night Call. Hey everybody, and welcome Tonight Call, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your up days and down dogs. I'm Molly Lambert
Speaker 1: and I'm in here in Los Angeles with Tesla in
Speaker 1: only because Emily is on her way out here as
Speaker 1: we speak to join us for the first Night Call
Speaker 1: podcast Dinner Pod Theater Dinner Pod Theater, which as we're recording,
Speaker 1: is going to be happening tomorrow and we hope to
Speaker 1: see some of you guys there, if not at the
Speaker 1: podcast Dinner with Magic, then at the after party. Um,
Speaker 1: and thank you everybody who bought our shirts. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for buying our shirts. Every time you bought
Speaker 1: a shirt, we were like, oh, thank you, it felt
Speaker 1: so nice. It did feel nice, and we really appreciate
Speaker 1: your support and we will have more things to sell
Speaker 1: you that we hope you will enjoy. If you have
Speaker 1: an idea of something that Nightcall can imprint our emblems on.
Speaker 1: Let us know. I'm thinking about pens. You said lighters,
Speaker 1: and I like lighters, but I also said pens because
Speaker 1: I love finding the like weird branded pens that I
Speaker 1: have collected over the course of my life. I have them.
Speaker 1: Many of them have run out of ink. I had
Speaker 1: a floaty pen collection for many years. That was my
Speaker 1: one collection of the floaty pen. I feel like you
Speaker 1: don't really see them anymore. Maybe Nightcall can bring them back.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can be a nightcall floaty pen, right dream?
Speaker 1: What would be floating? An alien? Maybe an alien head
Speaker 1: between some kind of New York skys Yeah, a little UFO, Yeah,
Speaker 1: an alien on the phone on a landline phone dress
Speaker 1: between points. Oh, this is a great idea. This is
Speaker 1: true when when it's just me and Molly, we tend
Speaker 1: to get silly vibes, We get real silly. We were
Speaker 1: talking about the DJ sets we're going to be doing
Speaker 1: at the night Call party tomorrow at Social Club, which
Speaker 1: is also it Takes Takes Takes texts. I never know,
Speaker 1: uh that we both might just play the same Steely
Speaker 1: Dan song we both heard on Jones Jonesy Supbox last week.
Speaker 1: We're talking about which is FM? The theme song from
Speaker 1: the movie FM and the long version and version with
Speaker 1: the strings. Did you read the Wikipedia entry about the song?
Speaker 1: No tell me? Well, it's for a movie called FM,
Speaker 1: which was apparently a movie about the collapse of free
Speaker 1: form radio, and but it was like a Hollywood like
Speaker 1: a shitty B movie trying to cash in on Like
Speaker 1: that's the story is. It's like a radio station banding
Speaker 1: together against like the commercial forces, and like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: does sound great. I would probably love it. It's like
Speaker 1: a who I don't know, I got to look into it,
Speaker 1: but it was like the Wikipedia is like the story
Speaker 1: in which like the DJ's band together and like overcome
Speaker 1: the corporation that's trying to like shut down the free
Speaker 1: form radio station. Like freeform radio had already been like
Speaker 1: crushed by corporate powers like by that time, and so
Speaker 1: the Stelia Dan song is just like really sarcastic um
Speaker 1: about how radio sucked. After that, you also mentioned that
Speaker 1: it sounded like the fake Steely dance song from Oh Hello.
Speaker 1: It does sound a lot, which was in my head
Speaker 1: for like pretty much ever after we saw Hello testing,
Speaker 1: I saw a pre Broadway uh staging of Oh Hello.
Speaker 1: That was that the Margo Margo yeah um, And we
Speaker 1: saw like the workshop version and we laughed. So it
Speaker 1: was best part of that show is when they how
Speaker 1: frequently they acknowledge what it's like to be at theater,
Speaker 1: which is like ha you're trapped and you can't get out,
Speaker 1: and now we have you for three hours. Yea ever
Speaker 1: we want. That was the funniest part of it was
Speaker 1: the joke that there are so many jokes about theater
Speaker 1: and about like okay, like everything gets dark, no spotlights
Speaker 1: on me. It was also just weirdly tailored to like
Speaker 1: all of the things Test and I think are funny
Speaker 1: because we are also like old Upper West Side crotchety
Speaker 1: men inside who loves steely Dan. It was made just
Speaker 1: for us. Thank you, John mullaney. Thanks. Today's episode of
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Speaker 1: we wanted to talk about a really important topic that
Speaker 1: we've been kind of circling for a long time, which
Speaker 1: is sauces. Very important. Uh. We wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: what are the best sauces, Where where do you fall
Speaker 1: on sauces? Tests. So listen. I know that Molly, you're
Speaker 1: not a mayonnaise fan, but you like a oli. Is
Speaker 1: that correct? It's two. I've made a reli and it's uh.
Speaker 1: I like it better if I make it at home.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would even like mayonnaise if I made it
Speaker 1: at home. There's something about putting it to put it
Speaker 1: in a jar. But the eggs. I get concerned about
Speaker 1: the eggs. I think I thought there were eggs in mayonnaise.
Speaker 1: There are eggs. I thought there was dairy and mayonnaise
Speaker 1: a really long time. I also um when I saw
Speaker 1: Carvel before Carvel came on our podcast a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we had brunch and we spent like a
Speaker 1: good twenty five minutes talking about He was like, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I know it's not cool to like mayonnaise, but like
Speaker 1: mayonnaise is great, and I was like, no, disagree, disagree.
Speaker 1: He also did something really interesting and good for brunch,
Speaker 1: which is that he is allergic to eggs, so he
Speaker 1: instead assembled a brunch out of other sides. So he
Speaker 1: had a brunch that was like corned beef, hash like
Speaker 1: a hash brown, and maybe like a pancake. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that is very Yeah, that's it's inventive. It was very
Speaker 1: It looked like he could make himself a little roll
Speaker 1: them up. He also sent me a message yesterday that
Speaker 1: he was like, hey, I really liked being on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and he said when he listened to the episode the
Speaker 1: following week that he was like talking back to it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, we're getting him in the
Speaker 1: full anytime. I'm back tonight. Call you are an official.
Speaker 1: You're the fourth Beetle, you are the fourth fetal Um.
Speaker 1: I have to say that mayonnaise being killed by millennials
Speaker 1: is awful. It's a travesty. Somebody on Twitter recently Um
Speaker 1: called out the fact that like, when people don't like
Speaker 1: mayonnaise and they try and put other stuff on their sandwiches,
Speaker 1: it's beyond disgusting. I think some of the substitutions that
Speaker 1: he listed, we're hummus on a just sandwich, not a
Speaker 1: good it's not the right texture at all, and it's
Speaker 1: not going to compliment what else is in your sandwich.
Speaker 1: Pasto also wrong. I mean, there were so many things
Speaker 1: that just can't replace mayonnaise. I would put all these
Speaker 1: things on a sandwich over mayonnaise. Hummus. I mean if
Speaker 1: it's a peda, but what if it's like I would
Speaker 1: club sandwich ms. Okay, the thought of me and the
Speaker 1: peter bread just made me like throw up love it
Speaker 1: and zeki, which is like Mannie's adjacent. So I know,
Speaker 1: taziki is fine because satziki is yogurt. I have no
Speaker 1: problem with yogurt. It's just a mayonnaise. So it's the
Speaker 1: fact that it's not dairy. It's like Uncanny Valley for
Speaker 1: a texture. It's like that, it's like gross, It's just gross.
Speaker 1: How is it a difference from soft butter? If I
Speaker 1: can taste it, it's like I hate the taste of it.
Speaker 1: What about tartar sauce, It's that's the exception. That's my thing,
Speaker 1: A really tartar sauce. If it's in something and I
Speaker 1: can't taste it, it's like, you know, good direction, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: If I notice it, it's bad. I understand. I understand
Speaker 1: what you're saying. But it's I mean, in a way,
Speaker 1: it's like how your body is made up of so
Speaker 1: much water. Food is made up of so much mannise.
Speaker 1: But it's like it's become part of the whole like
Speaker 1: you have to just accept that it's there and that
Speaker 1: you like it. It's this bias that you have against
Speaker 1: what mannaise stands for. It's like, no, it's not. It's
Speaker 1: like literally sometimes all like try something and be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, there's mayonnaise in this. I'm out like a
Speaker 1: dip ruins a lot of dips for me. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's definitely better to air on the side. I think
Speaker 1: of yogurt or sour cream in a dip. I bet
Speaker 1: I could make you a dip with those ingredients, sneak
Speaker 1: in some mayonnaise and you have no idea. I'm saying
Speaker 1: if you sneak in and I have no idea, that
Speaker 1: it's fine. If it's in like a deviled egg, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's fine. Mix up in a yoke if there's
Speaker 1: something else to like, So if you make it more
Speaker 1: mayonnaisy by adding yolk. But again it's like something's like
Speaker 1: swimming in mayonnaise. I'm just like, swimming in anything's a
Speaker 1: bad idea. Other than the sauce, they have a dn
Speaker 1: Tai fung, which is the black vineagar and the soy
Speaker 1: sauce and the ginger. I'm just saying there's so many
Speaker 1: other sauces that are better than your sauce mayonnaise, like
Speaker 1: a spread. It's a spread. Yeah, it's a spread, fair fair,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a part of tartar sauce, which
Speaker 1: is a sauce. But it's hard because tartar sauce kind
Speaker 1: of a dip. Tartar sauce is like n it's got
Speaker 1: its own set of rules. Yeah, it's you know, you're
Speaker 1: at the beach. Probably, No, you don't have to be
Speaker 1: the beach deft tartar sauce. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: That good inland tartar sauce brings the beach to you. Like,
Speaker 1: there's no time that I don't want mustard more? What
Speaker 1: kind of mustard do you like? Just like any kind? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: My parents think I'm crazy because I'm into yellow mustard.
Speaker 1: I think that's like like a like a hot dog
Speaker 1: or something. It's trashy people's mustard. They Oh, also, we're
Speaker 1: all boycotting Nathan's hot dogs now. Oh why they gave
Speaker 1: a lot of money to Trump or something. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: yeah we are. Um, you know I feel bad. Somebody
Speaker 1: on the Facebook group Nightcallers, which you should join because
Speaker 1: it's very lively. Was being like, well, what's wrong with fries?
Speaker 1: And I didn't really have an answer, because we did
Speaker 1: we thought maybe there was something, you know, we just
Speaker 1: assumed that because they're a company, right, we're going to
Speaker 1: clear the brand for now. I think fries are okay.
Speaker 1: I think fries is fine. Um So the five mother sauces,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any feelings on these
Speaker 1: in French cooking, goshamal, vlute espanol, French tomato, sauce that
Speaker 1: has a name that I forget. And hollandaise. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you gonna knix hollandaise because it's too much like mayonnaise? No,
Speaker 1: I like hollandise. You're such an enigma. I don't know
Speaker 1: where you're coming from. Half over have it on egxpnedict.
Speaker 1: I've made it. I feel like I went through. You
Speaker 1: can make it in the microwave and it's no no, no,
Speaker 1: But for real, there's this thing. If you look, it's
Speaker 1: from like a legit source and you can make the
Speaker 1: best hollandaise. It's like a white sauce ever, you know,
Speaker 1: like I like an Alfredo. I don't like alfredo, uh um,
Speaker 1: I like mustard. The most. I think mustard does the most.
Speaker 1: Word limited capacity for mustard. I did you turn on
Speaker 1: soy sauce? Thought that was your favorite favorite sauce, My
Speaker 1: favorite sauce, but also ponds When you have pondzo, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're like, soy sauce is pretty basic?
Speaker 1: Where do you and catch up? I like catch up okay,
Speaker 1: but I do not accept any ketchup but Hines. Every
Speaker 1: other ketchup tastes whack. I don't know why. It's something
Speaker 1: they're sweetness. The sugar ratios are off on other people's.
Speaker 1: It's like only Good Hunts is like the worst thing
Speaker 1: I've ever tasted in my life. You know, when it's
Speaker 1: soft brand, it's like Coca Cola. Yeah, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: you don't want the PEPSI you don't want that? Can
Speaker 1: I mention for anyone in l A that one of
Speaker 1: the sauces that I'm really addicted to right now is
Speaker 1: from Dave's Hot Chicken, and they have like this really
Speaker 1: it makes your heart race, though, which is like I'm
Speaker 1: not sure why because there's a lot of salt in it.
Speaker 1: It must be that, but it's well, I was I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to bring it up. But yeah, you did.
Speaker 1: You you drank a bunch of syce shauce and then
Speaker 1: you can't really concerned that you were going to die
Speaker 1: and you I don't know if you can die from
Speaker 1: over salting. But I'm addicted to Dave's Hot Chicken. And
Speaker 1: this is not an ad. It should be an ad
Speaker 1: because Dave's Hot Chicken. It's the best thing that's ever
Speaker 1: happened to my neighborhood. But um, I was having it
Speaker 1: so much. And you you get two sliders and they're huge,
Speaker 1: and then you get like a bunch of tubs of
Speaker 1: sauces because you take and take, and then you go
Speaker 1: home and like fifteen minutes later, you're sweating your heart.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of salt in everything good. It's true.
Speaker 1: I love the Zancou garlic sauce, the Zancou chicken they
Speaker 1: have that It's like basically the same thing that you
Speaker 1: can get a Trader Joe's the garlic spread. But I, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't get it that much because I will just
Speaker 1: eat the whole thing and then have like the salt sweat,
Speaker 1: the salt of garlic. It's a very funky, so good.
Speaker 1: Oh I went to after this podcast last week, I
Speaker 1: went to Peta Hut on Fairfax because I was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk around and find lunch. And it was
Speaker 1: the best place. They had like a huge sauce bar.
Speaker 1: It's like a Middle Eastern place is really good. And
Speaker 1: then they just had a sauce bar that had like
Speaker 1: the the y he low sauce you you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they salty tangy yellow, salty tangy yellow sauce, the like
Speaker 1: Herbie Delicious Green sauce and what is the Herby Delicious
Speaker 1: Green sauce. I don't know, but we'll find out. I
Speaker 1: think it's all Israeli sauce maybe, and uh and the
Speaker 1: Delicious Garlic sauce and tihini. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is what I like the most is an array.
Speaker 1: I know you like to choose to have an array
Speaker 1: of sauces. Yeah, well, that's like when you get fried
Speaker 1: clams and you have the cocktail sauce and the tartar
Speaker 1: sauce and you can like alternate. I always go for
Speaker 1: the cocktail sauce though, and that you gotta alternate, yeah,
Speaker 1: or because the cocktail sauce eventually it's too What if
Speaker 1: you just alternate with the cocktail sauce and like vinegar vinegar,
Speaker 1: you need the like I like to like pickly, the
Speaker 1: pickly smooth, you know what I mean. Get sponsored by
Speaker 1: Hines tartar sauce. Seriously, No, Well, honestly, Hines makes the
Speaker 1: best match up, but they do not make the best
Speaker 1: tartar sauce. Well, look I'm gonna take you. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you a really recarch. No I don't make I've tried,
Speaker 1: but I always want to add old Bay. And old
Speaker 1: Bay actually doesn't really belong in a tartar sauce. It
Speaker 1: belongs on whatever you're dunking in the tartar sauce. But
Speaker 1: it muddies. It's a muddy sauce when you put it in,
Speaker 1: when you dunk that in. Um No, I think so
Speaker 1: Jones Jones on the fancy Jones on Third, or l
Speaker 1: A Dean and de Luca. They have this tartar sauce
Speaker 1: that's super good. And one time I went there for
Speaker 1: a fancy lunch and I got like fish and chips,
Speaker 1: and they didn't have the tarter sauce. And did you
Speaker 1: go like Jack Nicholson, I demanded that. I went crazy
Speaker 1: and I demanded, yes, exactly put it together together. They
Speaker 1: were like, we haven't made it yet, and so I
Speaker 1: was like, I'll wait. But then I waited for like
Speaker 1: forty five minutes and it became this awful standoff where
Speaker 1: I was just like I just and it made me realize.
Speaker 1: I was like, all I wanted was just like a
Speaker 1: vat of that tartar sauce, just to dunk anything in.
Speaker 1: She just didn't want the fish. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see what else because that condatory dill sauce, which is
Speaker 1: probably like all mayonnaise if I've never had that, ever
Speaker 1: had that? What's that some weird sauce in a jar
Speaker 1: that my mom got me into because it's probaly some
Speaker 1: like fifties delight. Um. It's like a dill sauce that
Speaker 1: you put with fish and it's really good. I'm like
Speaker 1: hit or miss with dil. Dill is still is what
Speaker 1: Solandro used to be to me. I will come to
Speaker 1: terms with slant. I like all the herbs really, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like rosemary. I love rose I'm not into rosemary.
Speaker 1: It can really ruin if you get like the rosted
Speaker 1: potatoes and too much rosemary. Pine Needles, Pine Needles. Listen,
Speaker 1: We've got bigger fish to fry. We're talking about Drake
Speaker 1: and Kim. Now, oh, for those of you don't know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. A guy on Twitter laid out
Speaker 1: of theory that um, Kim is Kiki in Drake's in
Speaker 1: my Feelings, and that Drake and Kim hooked up. Also
Speaker 1: that the song eight out of ten refers to Drake
Speaker 1: and Kanye's ninth and ten X is maybe ninth and ten.
Speaker 1: Think about it, because I'm throwing all this back to
Speaker 1: you in a second. Um the lyrics from Drake's verse
Speaker 1: on sicco mode. That's where the directions between like Drake's
Speaker 1: house and Kanye's house somehow factor in UM and confirmed
Speaker 1: somebody drew a map. Here's what I think. I don't
Speaker 1: agree that kimis Kekey. There's no way, even though her
Speaker 1: family calls her key and she fucking wishes um because
Speaker 1: nothing about that song fits with her. It's all about
Speaker 1: like a down to earth girl who you don't think
Speaker 1: she's down to earth Molley. No, I do not think
Speaker 1: she uh prefers Hennessy to Champagne. I think she just
Speaker 1: like she's totally Champagne. She is not from the block
Speaker 1: like she is Jenny and all the other lyric things.
Speaker 1: I didn't buy any of it. I thought it was
Speaker 1: they were all reaches. But I also thought it was
Speaker 1: like a fun journey to get on. It was a
Speaker 1: long thread, a long, a long, good sort of silly
Speaker 1: thing to think about. Um, but I also don't rule
Speaker 1: out the idea that they maybe had sex. All right,
Speaker 1: you're taking a very neutral stance on this. Well. The
Speaker 1: only thing that seemed at all potentially like it made
Speaker 1: any sense was the thing of like, oh, Drake had
Speaker 1: the song that he couldn't put out because it would
Speaker 1: like destroy Kanye, because he he admitted to he was
Speaker 1: like I have a diss that, like yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people assumed that it was
Speaker 1: maybe like outing Kanye and that that was why it
Speaker 1: like he didn't really sick, because it would have been
Speaker 1: like a bad, bad look for him to do that,
Speaker 1: you know anyway. Um, But then people were saying, no,
Speaker 1: it's because it was about how he fucked him. And
Speaker 1: then I like that Kanye called Drake insensitive because he
Speaker 1: sent purple demon emojis. It's like it since you don't
Speaker 1: bring the demon into something you don't want that. Do
Speaker 1: you think they'll comment on it publicly? You know, I
Speaker 1: kind of think it's all publicity from Drake's. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Kim is loving it. Of course she's denied it.
Speaker 1: She's I think on Instagram she said like not true,
Speaker 1: end of story, Okay, And oh yeah, this is like
Speaker 1: the best thing that could possibly happen for her. Do
Speaker 1: you think she genuinely enjoys it or do you think
Speaker 1: she always I think the only thing she knows is
Speaker 1: like attention. But do you think part of our attention? Um?
Speaker 1: I think Kylie hates it a lot more openly than
Speaker 1: Kim does. I think Kim has been she was like
Speaker 1: probably the first one, you know, so she got probably
Speaker 1: the most the most attention anyway, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think also, you know, she's been a married lady for
Speaker 1: she's got some kids. Now she's David Mary. You know,
Speaker 1: she's ready for her like Madam Bovary face. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know I can see that happening. Uh, it's been
Speaker 1: a while. It's time is so elastic when it comes
Speaker 1: to the Kardashians, time is elastic. And uh, she's definitely
Speaker 1: definitely not Kikia songs definitely not about it all right, Well,
Speaker 1: night callers weigh in, Night Callers wig in to four
Speaker 1: oh four six night and tell us what you think
Speaker 1: about what Cam and Drake have been up to or
Speaker 1: not up to. I just feel like, if Drake we're
Speaker 1: going to pursue one of the Kardashians. Maybe there's also
Speaker 1: rumors she's slept with other Kardashians. What other Kardashians. I
Speaker 1: think there's a rumor he hooked up with Kylie Indoor Kendall.
Speaker 1: I could see Courtney, what about all of them? Feel
Speaker 1: like he and Courtney could really get along. Um. I
Speaker 1: had a really life of her being experienced where I
Speaker 1: was at uh the computer store, and a kid asked
Speaker 1: how to use YouTube and then he was like asked
Speaker 1: the guy who worked there, like, hey, hey, how do
Speaker 1: I get to YouTube on here on this free computer?
Speaker 1: And they pulled it up and then he typed in
Speaker 1: a Nicki Minaj video and then when I walked past,
Speaker 1: he like closed it. You're kidding no, And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that still happened. Kids are still watching
Speaker 1: music videos to get morny in like weird public places
Speaker 1: and then being embarrassed when somebody looks at it. How
Speaker 1: old was this person? There's a child? Okay, they were
Speaker 1: a child. They were like probably like maybe they can't
Speaker 1: watch it on their home computer, so they really sexy
Speaker 1: too sexy? Um, I thought that was funny, puritanical upbringing.
Speaker 1: I think we should take a night email. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: not a call nor at night. It's a beautiful sunny
Speaker 1: day here in Europe. Lucky you, but a fitting night
Speaker 1: call topic. I think. I just listened to your episode
Speaker 1: with Darcy who mentioned smudging and getting rid of ghosts.
Speaker 1: I also just watched the excellent film A Dark Song
Speaker 1: about a harrowing but intriguing occult ritual. I'm fascinated, But
Speaker 1: so far I've never taken part in a ritual, Seancequiji session,
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Many of my friends did, especially
Speaker 1: the women who seemingly all had teenage wickens stories. Am
Speaker 1: I missing out? Did the patriarchy keep me from having
Speaker 1: a cult? Fund? Have you ever been in some sort
Speaker 1: of ritual? And what would you or your listeners recommend
Speaker 1: to start with? I hope my favorite podcasters can help me.
Speaker 1: They're all the best Christian in con we were. We've
Speaker 1: talked about it before this, Yeah, covid, it's because the
Speaker 1: craft came out. It is we did. Astral traveling is
Speaker 1: a great way to start astral traveling. Um, we just
Speaker 1: you know. It's also it's a it's a weird spooky
Speaker 1: time in your body is spooky mysteries. Ahood it is.
Speaker 1: You're very powerless and you're just like, oh, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be cool if I could have any power at all
Speaker 1: over anything, just like in the craft. Do you still
Speaker 1: dabble in woo woo? Um, I'm not. You were just
Speaker 1: saying you did tara reading. Recently did a tarot reading
Speaker 1: on myself. You know we're Californians. Yeah, um, I waver.
Speaker 1: You know because you've been to some witchy parties. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I went to a witch party, like last
Speaker 1: week I was trying to draw, went to a moon ritual.
Speaker 1: I would just think I have a very high tolerance
Speaker 1: for stuff like that, especially when it's done with a
Speaker 1: sense of humor. I think it's like, the more humorless
Speaker 1: it is, the more likely I am to not be
Speaker 1: into it. Also, if it costs money, then it's probably bad,
Speaker 1: is my feeling about those things. But you also seem
Speaker 1: to remember much of the tarot because when I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous, he said, well death reverse death test.
Speaker 1: Elena Smith, front of the podcast, has done some tarot
Speaker 1: readings on me in recent years that were great, very great. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't like seek it out constantly, but
Speaker 1: if somebody is like, hey, would you like me to
Speaker 1: read your tarot cards, then I'll probably do it. Garrett, Well,
Speaker 1: I think I've had this deck since college, and uh,
Speaker 1: I haven't taken great care of it. So every so
Speaker 1: often I feel guilty and like sitting in the sun
Speaker 1: or the moonlight just to kind of like let all
Speaker 1: the bad vibes go. Because once I stored it in
Speaker 1: a dirty purse for like three years and then I
Speaker 1: found it and I was like, oh, it had like
Speaker 1: gum on it. But I was like, I can't throw
Speaker 1: away this deck because then that sounds like a bad idea.
Speaker 1: In fact, I can probably never get rid of it.
Speaker 1: What do we do? Burn it? That seems worse? You
Speaker 1: could probably put it to sleep? What does that mean? Uh?
Speaker 1: And there's also like a superstition that somebody you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to buy your own deck, someone supposed to buy
Speaker 1: it for you. Maybe someone will buy you a new deck. Well,
Speaker 1: I have to deal with this one first. I bought
Speaker 1: this deck. Gets treated me really well, and so a
Speaker 1: couple of nights ago, I was like, I should bust
Speaker 1: out the old tarot cards. They've been sitting in a
Speaker 1: bowl of crystals and uh, and I did and it
Speaker 1: was and it was great also because it's nice to
Speaker 1: do something tactile and like think about like the circumstances
Speaker 1: of life without looking at a screen or even thinking
Speaker 1: about anything that exists on a screen. Um. And I
Speaker 1: I think tarot is a good way to get into
Speaker 1: occult rituals. Well. Yeah, my first paid writing job was
Speaker 1: in high school. I wrote for a deck of cards
Speaker 1: that my brother's boss was designing. I forgot about this.
Speaker 1: I forget what it was called. But he had like
Speaker 1: designed a deck of cards and he needed like captions,
Speaker 1: and I wrote the captions for them. They were like
Speaker 1: a different set of like youngie and archetypes. And also
Speaker 1: he was the manager of like the underground hip hop
Speaker 1: record store. I want that tarot that, Um yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I like had one. It was just sort of
Speaker 1: like it was like a different type of like card
Speaker 1: fortune telling that he had invented his passion project. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of people make their own tarot decks, and
Speaker 1: I think it ends up taking forever because I think
Speaker 1: there are seventy eight cards. Well, I think this was
Speaker 1: like he had he had just made up his own sister. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he was really fun. It was its own game.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a little too loosey goosey, a different
Speaker 1: type of fortune telling. Um, they have a deck that's
Speaker 1: like Alison Wonderland base that's really popular. I could see
Speaker 1: the benefits too, of doing your own deck so that
Speaker 1: it's like the meaning of the card is more clear
Speaker 1: to you, beyond just being like a fun way to
Speaker 1: kind of do a s mr activities of like you know,
Speaker 1: doodling around and practicing magic and stuff. You can kind
Speaker 1: of cheat by like making things more explicit, like easier
Speaker 1: to read for you. My friend Emma, who's going to
Speaker 1: be at the night called Live Show, is a magician. Now,
Speaker 1: she's a magician in training, and she's been doing card
Speaker 1: tricks with a deck of cards, and man, what if
Speaker 1: we all get really into card tricks. It's so cool,
Speaker 1: it's so complicated. Everyone I know who has done card
Speaker 1: tricks like that kind of magic. It just I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: how did you look so easy? Make it look so easy?
Speaker 1: I mean there, but there are two different kinds of magic. Well, right,
Speaker 1: if we're become both kinds, can you do both? Because
Speaker 1: it's not one kind of like blowing the lid off
Speaker 1: the other? No, I think one ones like creating illusion
Speaker 1: and one's like believing in illusion. You're either like a
Speaker 1: skeptical cynical motion. If one is mayonnaise and one is tartar, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Which is the tartar sauce? The witchy one
Speaker 1: is the tartars? I think we'll find out. If you
Speaker 1: have thoughts on this, you can also email us at
Speaker 1: Night Call Podcast at gmail dot com. Yeah, what is
Speaker 1: your favorite occult star tests? Probably the same one as me. Well,
Speaker 1: I love the psychic Yeah, psychic Psychic guy is the best.
Speaker 1: We were talking recently because I had bought some sage.
Speaker 1: As everyone can clearly tell, I'm in. I'm in you know,
Speaker 1: disarray spiritually somding. Yeah, yeah, I was down you on
Speaker 1: some Well, now I feel like I have to actually
Speaker 1: go all the way and like grow my own sage,
Speaker 1: which will be people why they shouldn't buy, say, which
Speaker 1: is true. And listen, I did buy mine from a
Speaker 1: bougie place, but at least it's like an independently owned
Speaker 1: bougie place. Does that make it batter the House of Intuition? No,
Speaker 1: it was wacco It was so planted wacco Um. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really like those people, but they are doing something
Speaker 1: bougie by co opting so the bougie you know, spiritual
Speaker 1: places selling this stage are basically running the mom and
Speaker 1: pop in there forever stores that are selling It's true,
Speaker 1: It's true. They are they're taking all the stage there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was it is that they're like taking
Speaker 1: all the resources of at the stage is like being
Speaker 1: like pirate pirated or something. I mean, it's being harvarded
Speaker 1: stage wars like like holy like sacred land maybe, So
Speaker 1: that was It's a dual edged thing. And then I said,
Speaker 1: I also feel like it's sold at all these stores
Speaker 1: that are like gentrifying, botanicas out of neighborhoods, and so
Speaker 1: it makes me angry on that level. Also because also stage,
Speaker 1: I was not pleased to the smell of stage. I've
Speaker 1: I've done it before, and I forget that there's the
Speaker 1: top scent is like the smoky herbal scent. But then
Speaker 1: the under scent is like a BO scent. Well, that's
Speaker 1: a lot of hippie smells, Palo Santa, that's all the
Speaker 1: hippie smells you're talking about. You're gonna remind the smell,
Speaker 1: it's just gonna remind you of Bo because it's going
Speaker 1: to remind you of like spaces, hippie spaces. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't know, though, I don't really think it was just
Speaker 1: that association. I think I was actually the smell nog chompa.
Speaker 1: It just transports me to the Santa Monica third Street
Speaker 1: promenade and being like twelve and being like, what is
Speaker 1: that adult? And now the promenade is so different. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, knock Chompa smells the same, It's true, and
Speaker 1: something snock Chompa smells like adult. I remember you didn't
Speaker 1: you buy like a weed incense in seventh grade that
Speaker 1: would have an eighth grade if you're trying to give
Speaker 1: me where credit, Like she was young, she didn't grade,
Speaker 1: and you didn't smoke weed yet, but you were like,
Speaker 1: but I was eager to try this weed incense and
Speaker 1: freak out my hippie barring. Yeah, I'm sure they would
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Speaker 1: an interesting tidbit about a museum I've never heard of. Yes, somebody,
Speaker 1: I believe a couple of night callers have sent us
Speaker 1: something about the vent Haven Museum. It's in Kentucky, in Kentucky,
Speaker 1: which is a museum where ventriloquist dummies go to die.
Speaker 1: It's a retirement place for ventriloquism community. And then we
Speaker 1: were talking about this beforehand, whether ventriloquist dummies are scarier
Speaker 1: than haunted dolls, and if so, why so they are?
Speaker 1: That's what we decided basically, there is so as a
Speaker 1: fan of The Twilight Zone, usual were like the puppet aspect.
Speaker 1: It's scarier because puppets like already appeared to come to
Speaker 1: life sometimes, so the idea that they would like come
Speaker 1: to life when they're not being manipulated by a human.
Speaker 1: It's also the expression that ventriloquists make when they when
Speaker 1: their mouths are closed but they are speaking through their
Speaker 1: dummy out. Everything about ventril aquism is a little scary
Speaker 1: and also, uh, Darcy Wilder's dad has gotten into ventriloquism,
Speaker 1: and she's been posting a lot of videos of her
Speaker 1: dad doing ventrilocism that are really funny. And how did
Speaker 1: he recently decide to get into ventriloquism. That's what all
Speaker 1: her posts are like, I can't believe this is the thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's her uncle, and I think it's her dad.
Speaker 1: She's like, he's bringing the doll places. Well, there's that
Speaker 1: great Freaks and Geeks episode about ventriloquism. I don't remember
Speaker 1: one of the best episodes. It's about a kid whose
Speaker 1: parents are having marital turmoil, and then he like uses
Speaker 1: the ventriloquist dummy at like a big party for all
Speaker 1: their friends to like talk about the parents, like marital problems.
Speaker 1: That sounds amazing, and he's like Dad's having sex with
Speaker 1: his assistant. It's so cringe e and good. It's a
Speaker 1: really good episode. There is a lot of good art
Speaker 1: about ventriloquism. But I was going to say earlier that
Speaker 1: what really poisoned me about the Dummies was there were
Speaker 1: these two Twilight Zone episodes, and I think one of
Speaker 1: them is called the Dummy, and then the other one
Speaker 1: is Caesar in Me, which is Jackie Cooper. Uh. But
Speaker 1: in one of them, it's like the dummy bites the
Speaker 1: guy the ventriloquist, and then the guys like, I need
Speaker 1: a new dummy, and he gets a new dummy, and
Speaker 1: like the old dummy gets mad and then I don't
Speaker 1: want to spoil the end. Oh, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: spoil it. You should watch that one. It's good. And
Speaker 1: then the other one is I think it's like the
Speaker 1: dummy is telling this this guy who's broke, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to like make it as a ventrilo question. He's
Speaker 1: not that good and the dummies like, just rob a bank,
Speaker 1: Come on, rob a bank. And the guy's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to rob a He's like, come on, do it,
Speaker 1: and he convinces the guy to rob a bank. And
Speaker 1: then the guy eventually gets caught. And there's like the
Speaker 1: girl who lives next door or whatever, and the dummy
Speaker 1: then like tries to rope her in and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: like I like your hip attitude. Maybe you should no
Speaker 1: kill your aunt with poisoned darts. So I was just
Speaker 1: like it. Early on. I was like, Wow, these dummies
Speaker 1: are diabolical. And in this museum there's nine hundred of them,
Speaker 1: and they have ones that spit and smoke and do
Speaker 1: all sorts of crazy stuff. I mean, it sounds like
Speaker 1: a very scary place to be. Just a mad convention
Speaker 1: full of ventrilo quis dummies is very scary. You're making
Speaker 1: such a strong no face, honestly, and I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: in the middle of Kentucky and you go there for
Speaker 1: the convention. It's like a great horror movie. It does.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminded me of the Black Mirror Finale
Speaker 1: of like scary museum museum. I like a scary museum
Speaker 1: but it's true. It's like you don't want to feel
Speaker 1: an actual danger for your life. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 1: know the dummy Like I looked at a Pinterest board
Speaker 1: of ventrilo quis dummy is. I'm like, when you see
Speaker 1: a lot of them, it's really intense. It's no joke.
Speaker 1: There's expressions, well, how do you feel when you see
Speaker 1: just a lot of dolls? Not great, but not quite that.
Speaker 1: I feel like so many of the things I know
Speaker 1: about Twilight Zone episodes came from watching Simpsons episodes that
Speaker 1: made jokes about like Treehouse of Treehouse of Horror, about
Speaker 1: maybe the Treehouse of Horror, though, is not a ventriloquist dummy.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a ventriloquist dummy one. We should
Speaker 1: do a whole episode devoted to Treehouse of Horror. I
Speaker 1: stopped pretty early on with the Treehouse of Horror. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, Like I always looked forward to them
Speaker 1: because it's legitimately so frightening, and I think probably yeah,
Speaker 1: well because again, because the Twilight Zone episodes they were
Speaker 1: ripping on were so scary, like to Serve Man one
Speaker 1: that one gave me nightmares. To Serve Man for some reason,
Speaker 1: wasn't that scary to well, the Simpsons were the King
Speaker 1: and Kotos to serve man one, give me nightmares because
Speaker 1: something about King and Kotos is so scary. Uh, give
Speaker 1: us all your thoughts of Ventriloquist Dummies a two four
Speaker 1: oh four six night Also, if you're enjoying the podcast,
Speaker 1: would you please review Ray and subscribe on Apple Podcasts
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts and Molly, before we
Speaker 1: wrap up, do you think we have time for a
Speaker 1: night call. Yeah, let's do a night call. All right, Hi,
Speaker 1: a night call. This is Chris coming from Boston. Um So,
Speaker 1: I had a question about ghost. Um So, a friend
Speaker 1: of mine from college has a sister who is a
Speaker 1: median and sees ghost can communicate with them, even has
Speaker 1: a little girl um living in her house who died
Speaker 1: there and she sees them. She can follow them, she
Speaker 1: can hear them. Um. But I thought was interesting about
Speaker 1: some of her stories is that one of her stories
Speaker 1: involved a scantron test um insofar as my friend's younger
Speaker 1: sister would show up to her high school and she
Speaker 1: never had to study for staying scantron test because she
Speaker 1: could just put her finger over the proper letter and
Speaker 1: it would get warm on the correct answer. UM. And
Speaker 1: I assume this was like the little girl giving her
Speaker 1: the advice. But my question is our ghosts all smart? Um?
Speaker 1: Or if some ghost like if you were alive an idiot,
Speaker 1: do you die an idiot? Um? Or are they all knowing? Um?
Speaker 1: Just thought this should be on a good discussion topic.
Speaker 1: I love you ladies, enjoy your day. But I think
Speaker 1: ghosts are as smart as they were in life. I
Speaker 1: don't think you've become all knowing when you're a ghost,
Speaker 1: but there might be something you mean, Like, I do
Speaker 1: think the vampires tend to be smart because they've lived
Speaker 1: for so long. Those aren't ghosts, no, but they've accumulated.
Speaker 1: But there's something about like if you're immortal, like you
Speaker 1: accumulate at well, they're old, they're wise. Listen though, here's
Speaker 1: imagine are like frozen. Ghosts are invisible and they're everywhere.
Speaker 1: So I don't think a ghost has to be that
Speaker 1: smart because within a test setting, for instance, the ghosts
Speaker 1: could easily know what teacher this girl had, go to
Speaker 1: the teacher's house see her making the test, or go
Speaker 1: to the like the E. R. B Enterprises Ltd. And
Speaker 1: just be like Okay, so like little Cindy is going
Speaker 1: to be taking this test, like I'm just going to
Speaker 1: write down on my invisible piece of paper the answers
Speaker 1: and then it's like it's just access. What a weird
Speaker 1: thing for a ghost to use their their powers for.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great thing. Like maybe your sister
Speaker 1: is just smart. I mean, is it his sister or
Speaker 1: his friend's sister, the sister the sister. The sister could
Speaker 1: be smart, the sister could be playing kind of a
Speaker 1: long con on you. But I like to believe in
Speaker 1: ghosts that are helpful that way, study buddies. I also
Speaker 1: feel like Scantron type tests are all like a scam,
Speaker 1: So they're scamtrons, Scamtron's um and like what they reward,
Speaker 1: like you know, they don't reward intelligence. Wait a second,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a different So a Scantron test is
Speaker 1: just a multiple choice A T s are like notoriously bad. Yes,
Speaker 1: the s A T s are bad, but it depends
Speaker 1: on who's writing the test. I mean, you can't fault
Speaker 1: something just for having a multiple choice can't say all
Speaker 1: multiple choice tests are bad. You can't. Why how could you?
Speaker 1: It depends on the question. Well, I think they're they're
Speaker 1: not as I like those open answer tests. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course you like, because anything you can you can't
Speaker 1: bullshit a multiple choice tests, so they suck bullshit a
Speaker 1: multiple choice how I will tell you all the ways
Speaker 1: because I was an s A T tude. Please tell me. Um,
Speaker 1: it's process of elimination, y'all. But I mean there's still
Speaker 1: a right answer. You're not bullshitting. You're just like finding
Speaker 1: a quicker. It's easy. There's it's easy to scam because
Speaker 1: it doesn't it rewards your ability to take the test.
Speaker 1: It doesn't reward your like intelligence. Right, But I mean
Speaker 1: any types ghosts are good at taking multiple choice tests. Yes,
Speaker 1: well it would be really difficult for a ghost to
Speaker 1: guide her through. Yeah. I just want to say we
Speaker 1: can talk about our last topic is the song booed
Speaker 1: up about a ghost. I want it to be so bad?
Speaker 1: Have you listened to it since I suggested this and
Speaker 1: thought about how it sounds like it's about a ghost. Now,
Speaker 1: I tried, but it was too hard. Give me your
Speaker 1: thesis again. I just was listening to my Boo by
Speaker 1: ghost Town DJs, and I was like, oh, ghost ghost Town,
Speaker 1: my boo and then I was like, I think Johnny,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, actually said it. He was like, what if
Speaker 1: the song's about a ghost? Well, I like the fact
Speaker 1: that ghosted has entered the lexicon, like being ghosted. It's
Speaker 1: such a good and evocative term. So it kind of
Speaker 1: makes sense that, like boot up, it's like everything now
Speaker 1: has to be a little ghost Like if the ghost
Speaker 1: doesn't ghost you, they like stay, they stay. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: being haunted. Episte of ghosting is haunting. I love the
Speaker 1: verb haunt when it's like not about ghosts, you know,
Speaker 1: like you've been just like haunting this or haunting. That
Speaker 1: replaced the term dating with haunting with haunting. I love it.
Speaker 1: We're mutually haunting. We're haunting, but we're not exclusively haunting
Speaker 1: each other. Free to hunt, free to hunt wherever we're
Speaker 1: roaming haunters. Wow, well, just great. This has been a
Speaker 1: good pot This has been a cool jazz pod, just
Speaker 1: like we we used to have at Boodie's Booties Jassie
Speaker 1: Jazz Boo. And we're also so excited to see Emily
Speaker 1: tomorrow night party. Emily, please don't be mad at us
Speaker 1: for talking about sauces for so long. I get ready
Speaker 1: to talk about you, Calls about sauces. We're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Please bring us your thoughts calls, Thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: Thanks to see you next week.