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Speaker 1: Ruby, When azis World, Marco went and This is Amazing Wildlife,

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Speaker 1: where we explore unique stories of wildlife from around the

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Speaker 1: world and uncover fascinating animal facts.

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Speaker 2: This podcast is in production with Iheartradios, Ruby Studio and

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Speaker 2: San Diego Zoo Wild lefl Alliance, an international nonprofit conservation

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Speaker 2: organization which oversees the San Diego Zoo and the Safari Park.

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Speaker 3: Okay, friend, so I have a joke for you to

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Speaker 3: get things started. You ready for this?

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Speaker 4: I'm ready?

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right? So why don't you play cards in

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Speaker 3: the jungle?

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Speaker 4: Why?

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Speaker 3: Because are too many cheetahs?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: No, okay, I've got one for you.

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Speaker 3: Oh you got one? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: What's the difference between a cheetah and office supplies?

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Speaker 3: A cheetah and office supplies? I don't know what.

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Speaker 4: One is really fast and the other is stationary.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yours is way better than time.

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Speaker 3: What a good way to start this episode?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: So you know, listeners, I'm sharing your guessing.

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Speaker 2: Yep, We're gonna be talking all about cheetahs here and

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Speaker 2: I am at the beautiful Safari Park. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: actually in a spot that maybe a lot of you

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Speaker 2: listeners are not aware of. So this is called the

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Speaker 2: Cheetah Conservation Center, and we'll talk a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the area, you know, but before we get things rolling,

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Speaker 2: I really should reference again the human being that's standing

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Speaker 2: in front of me right now. So, my friend, could

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Speaker 2: you introduce yourself your name and your title and what

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Speaker 2: you do here at the Safari Park.

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Speaker 5: Of course, my name is Katie Wicks. I am a

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Speaker 5: lead wildlife care specialist here at the Safari Park and

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Speaker 5: I lead the Cheetah Conservation Center.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, as we were saying, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: out in an area that guests don't have access to

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Speaker 2: here really, I mean at times in the past, I

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Speaker 2: know there's been tours that possibly come out, you know

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Speaker 2: and check out certain areas.

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Speaker 3: But could you describe this area here in the Safari

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Speaker 3: Park for me?

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: We're actually two miles out past the main rhino sign

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Speaker 5: for the Safari Park. We are typically not available to

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Speaker 5: the public, but we do offer special tours and behind

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Speaker 5: the scenes opportunities. And we're actually located in the bio

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Speaker 5: preserve for the Safari Park as well, and we're one

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Speaker 5: of ten breeding facilities in the United States for South

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Speaker 5: African cheetahs.

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Speaker 3: Oh, one out of ten.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a big flex. Actually, that's amazing, right, Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's wonderful. Now, I know there's a lot to talk

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Speaker 2: about this amazing cat species from Africa, but I don't want.

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Speaker 3: To always assume that kids or people know what we're

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Speaker 3: talking about when we say the word cheetah. So can

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Speaker 3: you describe what is a cheetah? What makes it so

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Speaker 3: unique here in the world.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, cheetahs are incredibly unique. They are neither large nor small.

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Speaker 5: They're somewhere in the middle. They have spots, but not

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Speaker 5: like spots like other cats have, right, and their nails

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Speaker 5: are unlike any other cat as well, they have more

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 2: Again, that's a pretty good flex scene, I gotta say.

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Speaker 2: But honestly, I mean this is one of my favorite spots.

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Speaker 2: I always tell you Copull of my two favorite spots

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Speaker 2: It's actually Australia with all that beautiful wildlife condo ridge,

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Speaker 2: but also here when I was working at the Bird

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Speaker 2: here too, which I really really love. Now, there's a

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Speaker 3: So I made a joke earlier before we started about.

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Speaker 2: How I remember back in the day, being part of

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Speaker 2: what's going on? Like why does the cheetah have to

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Speaker 3: Though?

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Speaker 5: Basically yeah, absolutely, So I'll tackle your second point first. Okay,

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Speaker 5: So the way they're able to be fast is because

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Speaker 5: of those toenails I was telling you about. It's kind

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're ready.

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Speaker 5: To go soccer shoes or so erectly' always ready to run.

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Speaker 5: They're very spelt, they're built very aerodynamically physiologically, their heart

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Speaker 5: I like to tell people, oftentimes, cheetahs are still cats.

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Speaker 5: They're very good at conserving energy. So if they don't

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Speaker 5: But we are able to provide them different opportunities to

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Speaker 5: run in different ways.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's incredible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so at the Cheetah run, we still do offer

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Speaker 5: that opportunity. It's different now than it used to look.

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Speaker 3: Really be a part of it. Yeah, Oh that's incredible.

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Speaker 5: But out here, some of our pens are over an

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Speaker 5: so the cheetahs have to bank and they have to

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Speaker 5: do things that they weren't expecting and we can kind

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Speaker 5: of recreate a real hunt somewhat for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh that's exciting. Yeah, listeners, I'm looking around right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this place is massive, like so many habitats here

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Speaker 2: for the cheetas. I didn't know that that behavior was

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Speaker 2: so being offered some guests, So guests be sure to

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Speaker 2: check out the website Sdzsafari Park dot org on the

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Speaker 2: safari section and you can see some updated information for

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Speaker 2: those cool experiences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wicked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I would imagine the need to be that fast.

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Speaker 2: species as well. Right, can you talk regionally first, like

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Speaker 2: what's kind of their main prey?

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Speaker 3: What are they doing?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so the South African species is the largest species,

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Speaker 4: But they're doing a lot better.

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Speaker 5: The need for being that fast is kind of a

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Speaker 2: So they yeah in case starting out, because sometimes I

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Speaker 2: think of the kids listening, you know, So when you

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Speaker 2: say apex predator, you're talking like the top top predator.

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Speaker 2: Like if it's the ocean, it's a great white shark

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I would put them if the lion is

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Speaker 5: very very top of the pyramid, they're probably like three

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Speaker 4: So they're built for speed.

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Speaker 5: They're not built to fight for their prey, right right,

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Speaker 5: So some of the adaptations that they've developed are going

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Speaker 5: that maybe other animals can't catch speed bys. They're also diurnal,

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Speaker 5: so they hunt during the daytime. So those black stripes

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Speaker 3: Oh right, totally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we talked about the peregrine falcon too, right,

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Speaker 2: So the same idea, it's to reflect light and absorb it, right,

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Speaker 2: their prey. Yeah. Oh that's really interesting now when we're

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Speaker 2: you know, they get hungry, they got to eat, and

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Speaker 2: so we're talking this is a carnivore, right, So an

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Speaker 2: animal like a Thompson's gazelle as an example, would be

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Speaker 2: like a small, medium sized herbivore in Africa, they would

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh that's actually now to your point too.

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Speaker 2: Being diurnal, they're also avoiding that competition I would imagine

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Speaker 2: with some of the hyaenas and lines out there too, right.

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Speaker 2: And you made a point earlier because they're smaller animals,

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Speaker 2: so they probably can't defend their prey once they take

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Speaker 3: Am I correct?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I love story time. So let's say

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Speaker 2: story time. So we're at around the savannah. Right, Let's

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Speaker 2: say you and I are too cheetahs. We're hanging out

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Speaker 2: and now we see, oh, there's a Thompson's gazelle off

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Speaker 2: in the distance. It's during daytime, by the way, so

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Speaker 2: to grab it. So describe to me the hunting, the strategy,

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Speaker 2: what's going on. How are you going to do this?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm going to get low to the ground in

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Speaker 5: the grass, okay, so that they cannot see me. My

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Speaker 5: spot's blend in really well with that shifting grass.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'm going to block in. So cheetahs have

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Speaker 5: very very good distance vision. They have visual clarity up

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Speaker 5: to about two miles away. Oh I didn't know that really, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: and that's crazy. Yeah yeah, I can't see that far.

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Speaker 5: Well I can right now because I'm a cheetah.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's right, your cheetah. Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to be crouched down and the waving

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Speaker 5: grass kind of locking onto the prey. I'm going to

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Speaker 5: wait until one of those Thompson's gazelle's is by itself

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Speaker 4: Their strength and numbers.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And once I see an opportunity where I

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Speaker 5: think I can blast off and try and catch it,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to do that. So I take off I

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Speaker 5: can hit about forty miles an hour in three steps.

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Speaker 3: Whoa and three steps?

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Speaker 4: Three steps?

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, crazy yeah, but that Thompson.

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Speaker 5: Skiz I was like, oh my gosh, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 5: I can zig when they zig and zag when they zag.

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Speaker 5: So I'm not just good at running in a straight line.

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Speaker 2: But you know, my ADHG brain went saying, leopard, you

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Speaker 5: Jaguars are the biggest cat and they have the biggest spots.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's a good way to say, thanks for spilling

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Speaker 5: The broader goal would then be to introduce the genetics

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Speaker 2: That's great And again guess I'm sure they know, but

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Speaker 5: So big cats are going to be like lions, tigers, jaguars.

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Speaker 3: The stutter bars.

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Speaker 5: That can't do it myself, but it's kind of I

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Speaker 5: guess it's exactly what it sounds like, right, It's this

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Speaker 5: like stuttering sound that sounds like it comes deep from

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Speaker 5: in their throat and then they bark, but it sounds

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Speaker 5: more like a Chihuahua. Sometimes my pitch ya middle echo

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Speaker 5: through the valley out here. Oh, it's very loud, but

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Speaker 5: it's kind of their Marco Polo finding a girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 3: My name is Marco Polo. So I really appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's great, so a way of because it's big

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Speaker 2: savannah habitats, right, so they have to navigate this space

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Speaker 2: and try to find a mate. Oh, I love that,

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Speaker 2: and so earlier to Kanasty with the conservation programs, we

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Speaker 2: talked about safe in all that aspect too. In your opinion,

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Speaker 2: is there other avenues or the ways of public and

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Speaker 2: health out with Chitta's got I was in the Beckman Center,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and I was telling what I was

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Speaker 2: about to do.

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Speaker 3: Everyone's face is lit up. Everyone loves cheetahs, you know.

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Speaker 2: So in your professional opinion, like, what else can people

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Speaker 2: do to help out cheetahs out here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say, I mean, obviously, visiting the Safari

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Speaker 5: Park is a huge, huge help. It supports all of

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Speaker 5: our conservation efforts. Yeah, but there are like little things

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Speaker 5: that you can do as just a human being out

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Speaker 5: in the world to make more conscious choices about how

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Speaker 5: you interact with your environment and there is always options

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Speaker 5: for donating and just being aware in general.

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Speaker 4: It's always very.

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Speaker 3: Helpful, Oh totally. And I actually always bring up to travel.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just have a friend of mine who's

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Speaker 2: actually going to go out to South Africa and into

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Speaker 2: her experience there. And I mentioned to kids in particular

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Speaker 2: that we all have the power to help the world

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Speaker 2: in a good way or not so good way, right,

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Speaker 2: and when we travel, be aware of the things we're promoting,

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Speaker 2: whether Eco tour is an example, right, make sure you're

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Speaker 2: supporting the right kind of institutions and organizations.

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Speaker 3: Or don't buy a claw.

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Speaker 2: Or a feather or a piece of wood on the

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Speaker 2: side of the street or even a store, because you

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Speaker 2: don't know where these things come from, right, especially with

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Speaker 2: wildlife traffic items.

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Speaker 3: You know. So I really love that friend. This was

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Speaker 3: really great. I'm learning a lot. This sutter Brock.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard one before, but I can't wait to

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Speaker 2: listen to it. You know, I'm gonna look it up

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Speaker 2: after this interview, but you know, before we get things

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Speaker 2: rolling up here, because we're getting close to our time.

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Speaker 2: I always love to ask people what got you into cheetahs? Like,

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Speaker 2: were you always like you were born and like, I

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Speaker 2: love spots, I love cheetahs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what got you into this role? How did

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Speaker 3: this happen for you?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 5: I feel like I'm the definition of never saying ever

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Speaker 5: ooh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I've always really.

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Speaker 5: Loved working with carnivores, and I've worked with carnivores for

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Speaker 5: a very large part.

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Speaker 4: Of my career.

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Speaker 5: The cheetahs, I don't know if it was just like, ah,

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Speaker 5: they're just not that, like they're kind of weird. Like

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Speaker 5: I don't know, and I'm just telling you, I'm going

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Speaker 5: on four years out here, and I still think they're

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Speaker 5: very weird and I can't quite wrap my head around it.

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Speaker 5: But man, they're so unique and cool and they make

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Speaker 5: you work for it. They really make you work for

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Speaker 5: the appreciation. But once they've got it, you know, you're like,

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Speaker 5: I respect this species a lot for everything that it

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Speaker 5: has to do to survive. Have how challenging it is

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Speaker 5: to just be a cheetah. You know, their life expectancy

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Speaker 5: is not that of other cat species out in the wild,

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Speaker 5: and they've got.

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Speaker 4: A lot they're going up against. You know, we love

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Speaker 4: rooting for the little guy, for the underdog.

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Speaker 3: Oh, friend, I am all about the underdog. I love that.

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Speaker 2: And also I failed to mention earlier that this episode's

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Speaker 2: actually gonna air a little bit after International Cheat Today, right,

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Speaker 2: which I really really love. And we have our Wildlife

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Speaker 2: Awareness Day in case our listeners aren't aware that if

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Speaker 2: you go to a website again sez Safari Park dot

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Speaker 2: or go to Wildlife Awareness Days and we have certain events.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to have maybe specialist talks out here.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's activities for children, so always keep your eyes

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Speaker 2: and ears open for that, right other ways where the

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Speaker 2: world can celebrate cheetahs on International Cheat Today, which is

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Speaker 2: gonna be December fourth, So I'm really stoked about that.

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Speaker 3: Friend.

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Speaker 2: This was amazing. It's so calming here during our interview.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to get distracted. If there's a red

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Speaker 2: tail hawk that called earlier too, did to hear it.

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Speaker 2: I know I loved it too. I just love mother nature,

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Speaker 2: the diversity of it. So this was wicked and awesome

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Speaker 2: cheetah joke that was way about other than mind by the.

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Speaker 3: Way, I loved it. You can steal it, all right,

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Speaker 3: give me some cheat knuckleels. I appreciate that. Thank you, friend.

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Speaker 3: That was great for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I learned so much about cheetahs. You guys,

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Speaker 2: I think I am a total fan. And don't forget

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Speaker 2: come here to the Safari Park. We have a beautiful

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Speaker 2: cheetah habitat also that you can navigate and walk towards

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Speaker 2: and check out.

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Speaker 3: But don't forget.

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Speaker 2: The Cheetah Conservation Center is off site, but there's tours

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Speaker 2: sometimes I can highlight certain.

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Speaker 3: Areas if you want to learn more. Now, I've learned

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Speaker 3: so much this year.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about so much, from meerkats to cassewerries to cheetahs.

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Speaker 2: And we have another episode, but I actually don't you

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Speaker 2: want to tell you what it is yet. You're just

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Speaker 2: gonna have to keep your eyes and your ears tuned

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Speaker 2: in to hear some more adventures. Marco went Stay Wild.

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Speaker 2: For more information about the San Diego Zoo and San

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Speaker 2: Diego Zoos at Farry Park, go to SDZWA dot org.

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