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Speaker 1: FBHP dot com. I'm Amy Wells. Retbrian is also here,

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Speaker 1: and we are joined by the great Charles Davis. Charles,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking some time to be

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being so hyperbolic. That's about

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Speaker 2: what I am. I just love you for that. It's

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Speaker 2: so so nice.

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Speaker 3: We know it's not true, but oh, it's sure.

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Speaker 4: Is it's true?

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Speaker 3: He's the gentleman of sports?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And actually I want to start off by

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Speaker 1: asking you about something. And I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: get asked about this a lot. Maybe you do, maybe

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Speaker 1: you don't. But one of your roles here in Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: is broadcasting the workouts. Yeah, you are part of the

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Speaker 1: big show that everybody watches when people are running and

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Speaker 1: jumping and circus tent doing all of the things that

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Speaker 1: they do during the NFL scouting combine. But what I

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Speaker 1: want to know is how do you prepare for a

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Speaker 1: broadcast like that, because it's not like you're preparing for

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Speaker 1: a game, which is something that you also do, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure is a very regimented routine. You do the

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Speaker 1: same thing for every game, but this is a very

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Speaker 1: different type of broadcast. How do you get ready for it? Well?

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Speaker 2: Number one, you're exactly right about getting ready for a game.

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Speaker 2: It's the same routine every week. You know, you can

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Speaker 2: set your watch by it Tuesday at two twenty eight pm.

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Speaker 2: I'm likely doing this, you know, So you're right. Getting

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Speaker 2: ready for this is much more. I'm coming off the

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Speaker 2: NFL season. Have I watched some college football?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Am I totally invested?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, because you know I only have I'm like winning

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Speaker 2: the Pooh Bear of Little Brain. You only have so

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Speaker 2: much right, and I have less than others. So I'm

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Speaker 2: locked in the NFL. And then once we get past

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Speaker 2: world broadcast for that game. Once I get past that,

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Speaker 2: now it's time to get going. All right, Now, do

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Speaker 2: I know a few things?

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Speaker 2: Like osmokes? This in college football is really a good thing. Right,

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Speaker 2: even if you didn't watch it, you heard the names,

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Speaker 2: You heard this and heard that. And then we get

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Speaker 2: you know who's going to be in attendance, and we

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Speaker 2: get that big book of it. I got one in

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Speaker 2: my deal. Here three on twenty one names. I've gone

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Speaker 2: over all of them. Does that mean I know them?

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Speaker 2: That would be a lie. Okay, But now I'm starting

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Speaker 2: to get familiar with the names. And now I'm starting

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Speaker 2: to watch tape of them. Now I'm starting to get

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Speaker 2: a measure. I've been to the Senior ball, I went

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Speaker 2: to the HBCU or you know, all Star game. So

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Speaker 2: starting to fashion and starting to think draft more and

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Speaker 2: more and more and more and more. Now how does

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Speaker 2: this fit? I know the league pretty well, so that

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Speaker 2: as I watch players play, I actually can see them

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Speaker 2: you know, amy with this one. The second thing is

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Speaker 2: asked me to not just be on a desk, because

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Speaker 2: the way we're set up is it's rich eyes and

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Speaker 2: the top of the deal and deservedly so then come

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Speaker 3: We're we're there around you, right, you know, we.

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Speaker 2: that as we get close to your inclusive inclusion by telling.

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Speaker 3: Me get Detroit, You're in it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say, you know, this is just seventeen

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Speaker 2: the seventeen years. It's gonna sound so braggy, and I

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Speaker 2: don't mean it to be. By take a lot of

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Speaker 2: and I will always admit it. I'm never going to

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Speaker 2: It's probably better for me to say as opposed to

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Speaker 2: We had a kid out of Yale a couple of

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Speaker 2: years of Rodney Thomas, Sure did Indianapolis. He popped up

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Speaker 2: on the phone to my Yale contacts.

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Speaker 3: I was like, how come?

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Speaker 2: And I've to contacted another IVY League coach because I've

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Speaker 3: His name never came up.

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Speaker 2: Whoa never came up, And that's you know, it just

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Speaker 2: kind of happens that way sometimes. But boy, in the

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Speaker 2: and that's just an example. So I don't mean for

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Speaker 2: it to go too long, Amy, but it's just a

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Speaker 3: You know how it is. And it's like for all

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Speaker 2: It doesn't take you terribly long, right because you're starting

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Speaker 2: just ran into a coach not longer George Stewart, longtime

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Speaker 2: every coach was paranoid there. Everybody stole. People would come

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Speaker 2: a coach, you had to learn your players by their nuances.

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Speaker 3: You had to know the player.

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Speaker 2: And in some ways it helped make you a better

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Speaker 1: oh no, there's no numbers.

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Speaker 3: Of times they would get confused. And you have no idea.

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Speaker 3: They didn't necessarily lateral it.

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Speaker 2: They just realized they had the wrong guy carrying the ball,

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Speaker 2: But the greats had to do it because they realized,

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Speaker 2: oh god, that's not Brown with the ball, that's Smith.

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Speaker 1: And we're back on track.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Well, let's talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: here in Indianapolis. What's going on this week. There are

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Speaker 1: a lot of storylines that are rolling about, as there

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Speaker 1: are every year at the Combine. What are some of

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Speaker 1: the things they are sticking out to you that you're

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Speaker 3: We know the top wave of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I'll just start there because that's just obvious, right, we

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Speaker 2: know the top wave of quarterbacks, probably the top three, right,

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Speaker 2: it's the big three at the top, Caleb Williams, Drake

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Speaker 2: Drake May. It feels like Caleb Williams is locked in

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Speaker 2: at one, two and three. That's where your debate begins.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think it stops there. I do think

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Speaker 2: that we're going to have a second wave. It just

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Speaker 2: feels that way. You know, we've had it where quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: Know, Jake Locker.

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Speaker 2: We can do all those sorts of things, but it

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Speaker 2: happens they get pushed up. The next quarterback to me

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Speaker 2: is probably JJ McCarthy out of Michigan.

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Speaker 5: I think he has the chance to beat this week,

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Speaker 5: right yep, I think this right right, So I'm with

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Speaker 5: you on that.

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Speaker 2: When he's got a chance to really show us a

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Speaker 2: little bit more than what we've seen. And it wasn't

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Speaker 2: his fault. At Michigan, they lined up and beat you

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Speaker 2: up in the run game. Do you realize the second

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Speaker 2: half the Penn State game, theydn't throw a pass?

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Speaker 3: Did you know that?

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize the.

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Speaker 3: Second half and beat them up? Charles in the time

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Speaker 3: they went to him. He made all made place, he

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Speaker 3: made play. He's got the stuff I'm gonna be.

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Speaker 2: I'm really eager to hear from my friends as they

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Speaker 2: do the interviews and all and see how it all goes.

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Speaker 2: But he seems like the legit item in May. Now

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Speaker 3: That just ma just just.

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Speaker 2: you know, you never know because remember Clyde Edwards, the

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Speaker 2: us saw that coming. That's right, So you never know

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Speaker 2: when a team decides to go in that direction. Cornerbacks plentiful,

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Speaker 2: some good players that come out of it. That Queen

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Speaker 2: Gray out of North Carolina reminded me of a former

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Speaker 5: That's a good comparison, right that does that you feel

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I can get lazy with that because

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Speaker 5: Yes, elite. We'll see Jared versus the top of the class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, those are probably these are the guys

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Speaker 2: we're talking about being being the ones that they are

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Speaker 3: We're taking him on spec. We're doing that a lot with.

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Speaker 3: Zero first round? Right first round?

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Speaker 2: Because his athletic ability was off the charts, we figured

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Speaker 3: Home, Charles, there might be the cows come home. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it is unbelievable. It might be seven or eight receivers

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a legit number. That's not that's not

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Speaker 2: Because I think back, remember when Dwayne Brown came out

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Speaker 3: How'd that work out? He's had a nice career, has

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Speaker 2: Remember when Travis Frederick came out of came to Dallas

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Speaker 3: I got a third round grade. Don't get to a

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Speaker 2: He an all pro before you get before illness? Got

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Speaker 2: it right, He's a heck of a player. If you

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about what else knuckleheads say. We don't matter.

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Speaker 2: It's what your scouting department says, where your coaching staff believes,

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Speaker 1: Charles, I think we could talk to you all day,

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Speaker 1: but they are going to physically remove you from this

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Speaker 1: seat if we don't wrap it up.

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Speaker 3: But it's always me dealing with security.

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Speaker 1: You know what I did every year they have to

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Speaker 2: You would think, you would think I'd become a better person.

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Speaker 2: All right, let me give my job Olani intervention out

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Speaker 2: of the way.

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Speaker 3: We can go.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know we'll save it for the next time. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll save it for the next time. Charles, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It is so great to see you all. And you know,

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Speaker 2: let's let's be honest about it. You're my summer family. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and I'm so lucky that way, and now we have

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Speaker 2: a reset button. And you guys already know Brian Callahan.

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to really like this crew. I

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Speaker 1: Dane Brugler from The Athletic joins us on the OTP. Dane,

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Speaker 1: thanks for taking the time to sit down with us.

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Speaker 1: Of course, looking at a group like the wide receivers,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think first and foremost, we're seeing the best athletes.

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Speaker 4: That's where they're going. You know, when it starts young

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Speaker 4: you're gonna be a receiver if you're a top athlete.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm convinced until the end of time we're

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Speaker 4: gonna have very strong receiver classes every single year. This

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Speaker 4: it's not a true consensus. Milik Neighbors is an outstanding player.

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Speaker 4: think Milak Neighbors, regardless if he goes first receiver draft

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many things with the receiver position

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Speaker 1: Rich draft, So the depth within that position is just

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Speaker 4: Top, no doubt. And I think you look at the

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of good players in this draft. Now

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Speaker 1: A player that's been very intriguing to me is brock

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Speaker 4: Where they go, no doubt. And yeah, I mentioned we

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Speaker 4: And so whether that's Joe Aalt from Notre Dame, Olu

437
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 4: Fashnu from Penn State, you know, all these guys are

438
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 4: a little bit different, so I think everyone will have

439
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,000
Speaker 4: their own preferences with exactly what they're looking for. Joe

440
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 4: Waltz more of the He's an all around guy. He

441
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 4: can hold up in pass protection, he'll hold up as

442
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,040
Speaker 4: a run blocker. You know, he's got a really fascinating

443
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 4: background too, with his dad being a former pro bowler

444
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 4: blocked for Joe Montana in the early nineties. But he

445
00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,240
Speaker 4: had his son growing up. He didn't play him an

446
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 4: offensive line. He played him at skill positions. He wanted

447
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,479
Speaker 4: him to be an athlete, and so through high school

448
00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 4: he was a quarterback, he was a tight end. It

449
00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 4: wasn't really towards his senior year that he became more

450
00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 4: of a tackle, and then of course at Notre Dame

451
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 4: and so to see his development the last three years

452
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 4: especially has been really really impressive. Olu Faushnu not the

453
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,520
Speaker 4: best run blocker, but outstanding in past protection. Talis Vuaga

454
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,480
Speaker 4: from Oregon State. It's a really good player. Tyler Geyton.

455
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 4: One of the more, maybe the most intriguing player in

456
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 4: this entire draft, in my opinion, is Amarus Mims from Georgia.

457
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 4: This guy he was built in a lab. I mean,

458
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 4: it's really interesting how how he's built. He's six ' six,

459
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 4: he's long, he's gonna be around three hundred and twenty

460
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,080
Speaker 4: five pounds, and he's gonna test well. He moves differently,

461
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,439
Speaker 4: but he has eight starts to his name. You know,

462
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,480
Speaker 4: the body of work isn't there. So do you bet

463
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 4: on the athlete and the traits and what he's gonna

464
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 4: grow into, or do you focus more on the guys

465
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 4: that are more well established. So this tackle class has

466
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,199
Speaker 4: something that's a little bit different for everybody, And you know,

467
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 4: three years from now, when we look back at this

468
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 4: tackle class, it'll be interesting to see how in retrospect

469
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 4: we look at these guys.

470
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Speaker 1: The depth within each position groups is so imperative to

471
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Speaker 1: how any team puts together their draft. Noward this year,

472
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Speaker 1: it seems just in kind of surveying the scene a

473
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Speaker 1: little bit, that there is a lot more of a

474
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: separation within a lot of different groups of the elite

475
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: players and then everybody else. Is that fair to say?

476
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Speaker 4: Yeah? And with every draft, that's what you're doing you

477
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 4: when you build your board. You obviously every draft has

478
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 4: X amount of first round players and for some teams

479
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 4: that's fifteen, you know, like what's that number? And then

480
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 4: from those fifteen, it might be a six person draft

481
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 4: where it's like, okay, if we have a top ten pick,

482
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,439
Speaker 4: these are six guys, we have to come away with

483
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 4: one of these six guys. And everybody's a little bit

484
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 4: different with how they view these and I think that's

485
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 4: fans have to remember that, Yeah, there's no consensus position

486
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 4: but position. I get questions, you know, can Jane Daniels

487
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 4: cement himself as quarterback too? And maybe for some teams

488
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:02,919
Speaker 4: he can you know, but he might not even be

489
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 4: considered for other teams because they just they don't love

490
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 4: them or you know, and same thing with every other position.

491
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 4: So it's really important to understand forever all the fans that, hey,

492
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 4: every team with their scheme, with their culture, they're looking

493
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 4: at all these guys differently. They have different preferences for

494
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 4: different positions. You know, guys, some teams will prefer someone

495
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 4: that's a better pass protector, someone wants someone that's more

496
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 4: well rounded. You know, there was receivers as well. So yeah,

497
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 4: every single position a certain traits you're looking for, and

498
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 4: every team's a little bit different with all the specifics

499
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 4: that they're looking for.

500
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Speaker 1: When you're doing things like mock drafts or a top

501
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Speaker 1: one hundred list or things like that, how much do

502
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: you have to take those elements into consideration?

503
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: For me, my top one hundred is more just you know, these,

504
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 4: I think these are the top one hundred best players.

505
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 4: You know, a little more generalized mock drafts absolutely, because

506
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: you're taking into account not only team need and you know,

507
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 4: contracts and pending free age and all that kind of stuff,

508
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 4: but also tendencies. You know, you look at teams general managers,

509
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 4: what have they done in the past, what is there?

510
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 4: They're more likely to draft this position early and wait

511
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 4: on this other position. You know, you have to take

512
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 4: all that into account. And you know some teams are

513
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 4: tougher to gauge. Obviously, a team like the Titans with

514
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 4: a first year head coach and you know Rand Carthon's

515
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 4: coming into what a second draft as a general manager.

516
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 4: You know, we're still figuring things out with a team

517
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 4: like the Titans. Some teams are more you know, they

518
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 4: they we know what they're gonna do. You know, we

519
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 4: know the Eagles they're not going to draft a linebacker

520
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 4: in the first round if they don't value that position

521
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 4: at early. Other teams are have certain thresholds at receiver.

522
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: You know, they will not draft a receiver in the

523
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 4: first round that's under six to two or doesn't have

524
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 4: at least thirty two and a half in jarms. You

525
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: know all these things. So understanding the trends and tendencies

526
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 4: of each team, each general manager, that's a key part

527
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 4: of doing a mock draft.

528
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Speaker 1: How much tape do you watch in a calender year?

529
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 4: No, I couldn't. I mean I couldn't put a number

530
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 4: on it. I mean that that's what I'm doing obviously

531
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: all of the summer, because summer is when you build

532
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 4: your database of Okay, these are the guys, and you

533
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 4: be watching in the fall and then in the fall.

534
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 4: That's that's really my entire week is I can't wait

535
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: till Sunday morning when the tape is uploaded from the

536
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: previous day and I'm able to because I'll watch college

537
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: football on TV and just take mental notes like Okay,

538
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: I need to make sure I watch that catch from

539
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 4: the second quarter for this player or whatever. But it's

540
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 4: not until the next day Sunday where watching tape and

541
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 4: figuring out all right, these trying to build the database

542
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 4: of these guys and then the reports and figure these

543
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 4: guys out. But yeah, it's a year round process. So

544
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: at this point, you know most of the Hayes in

545
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: the barn. This at the combine. It's a cross checking exercise.

546
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, we know this guy's fast, make sure

547
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 4: he runs fast and he did, Okay, you know, check

548
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 4: that box. I was actually talking to a scout just

549
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 4: this morning. He said, in their room, in their kind

550
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 4: of their war room, they set up they have a

551
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: a sign that says fall in love with the tape,

552
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 4: not the tag tag talking about the what goes on

553
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: the draft board and is you know, has the player's name,

554
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: but the height, weight, length, forty times, all that stuff.

555
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's easy to fall in love with that,

556
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 4: like you know, six three receiver two hundred and ten

557
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: pounds runs a four to three, like thirty four in charms.

558
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 4: All right, that's perfect, It's exactly what we're looking for.

559
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: Don't fall in love with that, fall in love with

560
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: the tape, and then you know if the tag. Hopefully

561
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 4: the tag matches up with what you're looking for. But

562
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 4: make sure you're falling in love with the football player

563
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 4: first and foremost.

564
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that the traits are reflected

565
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: on the actual fold, no.

566
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 4: Doubt, no doubt, because a lot of some guys are

567
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 4: just good testers, you know, and some guys are just

568
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 4: good athletes but not good football players. And some of

569
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: those guys you think you can coach up, and you know,

570
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 4: sometimes you're right. That's where it's so important to get

571
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 4: the coaches involved in the process, because you know, the

572
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 4: having the assistant coaches understand what a player, you know,

573
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 4: the area scouts they do most of the work they understand, Okay,

574
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 4: this is a player that I think our coaches really like,

575
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 4: you need to get better in this area. But that's

576
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: where our offensive line coaching come in and really coach

577
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: them up and make them better. So that's where the

578
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: importance of area scouts are to really set the table

579
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 4: for at this point in the process, because coming into

580
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 4: the Combine in the last few weeks, all the teams

581
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 4: have had preliminary draft meetings, all the scouts come back

582
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 4: to the headquarters and you know, some of them do

583
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 4: over zoom, but they build a preliminary draft board. So

584
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 4: coming into the combine, you have a good idea of

585
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: what to expect from all these players. The coaches starting

586
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: to get involved. This is for a lot of coaches,

587
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: this is their first exposure to these guys here at

588
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: the Combine, but they already have an idea based off

589
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 4: of what the area scouts have done. You know, they've

590
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: all got their packets and you know, their reports and

591
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: things like that. So this is a really fun part

592
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: of the process for a lot of these coaches that

593
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: are just now getting involved.

594
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Speaker 1: What do you do after the draft with all of

595
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: this information that's in your brain?

596
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 4: I reset and I coach my son's baseball team, my

597
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: daughter's softball team, and try to just you know, take

598
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: a step back taking press. But no, it is important

599
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 4: after every draft to well, what I do is I

600
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 4: go back three years and I look at, Okay, these

601
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 4: are my reports from three years ago. How is think?

602
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 4: How are things played out? You know? The best trait

603
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 4: for an evaluator is to be a self evaluator because

604
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 4: you have to understand if you missed on because everybody

605
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: misses on guys, you know, but it's about learning from

606
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: why did you miss on it? And sometimes I feel

607
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: like I got a player right, he's just maybe not

608
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: in the right situation in the NFL. Sometimes I miss

609
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: something that it's okay. I need to make sure that

610
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: when I'm watching offensive tackles, I'm paying more attention to this,

611
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: whatever it may be. So self evaluating is a big

612
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 4: As soon as the draft's over, that's where my brain

613
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 4: goes to be better for next year. So the month

614
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 4: of May definitely takes some time off, but focusing on

615
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 4: greeting myself from a couple of years ago, and then June.

616
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 4: When June comes, it's really diving right back into it,

617
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: preparing for next year.

618
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: Dame Buglar always a scout. Always.

619
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Speaker 4: It's a year round process, it really is. It's uh.

620
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 4: In order to be better every year, you have to

621
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: understand because the game of football is always evolving, right,

622
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 4: you know the NFL, what the NFL game is today

623
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: is not what it was five years ago, seven years

624
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 4: you know, it's it's so different. H So you have

625
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: to understand what the NFL is looking for, what has worked,

626
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: what hasn't. Yeah, it's a really fascinating thing that just

627
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: keeps you busy.

628
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: Weather ever gotten knows it's our house.

629
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Speaker 4: Five bos