1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cow's Weekend Review, presented by Steel Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal callahan. This 5 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: show is often hard on domestic cats feelines if you will, 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: so for episode one thirty of Cow's Weekend Review, I thought, 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: why change it up? Have I mentioned recently that they 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: kill an estimated two billion birds a year in the US. 9 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: A recent study in the journal Ecosphere set out to 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: discover how much of a cat's diet is made up 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: of the animals it kills. By identifying the molecular isotopes 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: of prey animals and then looking for those same isotopes 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 1: in the whiskers of cats, the scientists could see not 14 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: just what the cats had been eating, but who. The 15 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: researchers did this to test the argument of a lot 16 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: of feral cat programs around the country, which say that 17 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: if you give cats a high protein diet, then they 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: will have less motivation to hunt. Kind of makes sense 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: until I think of my diet and realize that when 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: I get sick of mule deer, I switch not off 21 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: of protein but to other proteins, birds or fish. If 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: this protein replacement theory were correct, you'd see the results 23 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: in the keratin of the cat whiskers. Before the feeding program, 24 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: you'd see, let's say, of the whisker isotopes coming from 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: wild birds and mice, And after the feeding program started, 26 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: you'd see the isotopes coming from like fancy feast or 27 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: whatever cat food is these days. Just like us, cats 28 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: are what they eat. Incidentally, you may remember for our 29 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: venom episode that keratin is also what makes up the 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: segments of a rattle snakes rattle, as well as our 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: hair and fingernails. Cat whiskers were used for the analysis 32 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: because they were easy to sample without messing with the 33 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: cat too much. But if we took a chunk of 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: a rattler's tail or a sliver of your fingernail, we 35 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: could see just how much of the snakes diet was 36 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: made up of chipmunks, and how much of your diet 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: was made up of white tail or squirrel or cheetos. 38 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: It's that easy. Pretty cool. Anyway, back to killer cats, 39 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: the Ecosphere study found that only three to four of 40 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: the cat's diet was made up of prey animals. No 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: matter what their diet was in changing the diet didn't 42 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: change how many dead animals they brought home. Other studies 43 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: have followed cats around and observed that their hunting behavior 44 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: is almost completely uncoupled from hunger, as in, they hunt 45 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: and kill for fun, not food. Or if you don't 46 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: believe that cats can have fun, they hunt because their 47 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: programmed to do it. Like little tiny fur covered terminators 48 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: with a retractable clause Sabboth insistence modeled one oh one, 49 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: I must have anetic organism living to show a middle endoskeleton. Now, 50 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: I'm not fooling myself that this here show is playing 51 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: over the speakers at too many feral cat rescue offices. 52 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: But just in case, how about taking the budget devoted 53 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: defeating and turn it over to brightly colored callers, which 54 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: are the most effective solution to cap predation. While we're 55 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: at it, maybe I should get the meat Eater business 56 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: Development team to reach out to birds be Safe callers 57 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: and make them the co flagship sponsor of this show, 58 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: alongside Steel Chainsaws, or you know, stay with me here, 59 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: maybe we convince Steel to add cat collars to their 60 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: lineup of fine saws, pruners, and leaf blowers. You know, 61 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: we're just coughing up a spitball here. Maybe Andrew Lloyd Webber, 62 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: the creator of the musical Cats, could be the spokesman 63 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: for the new steel cat collar line. You may have 64 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: seen that he hated the film adaptation of Cats so 65 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: much that he went out and adopted a dog. The 66 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: ultimate cat person bought a dog. Change is possible. Hope 67 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: is out there, just not through diet get an obnoxious 68 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: cat collar cat people. This week we've got main white tails, 69 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Montana elk, and Michigan bird feeders. But first I'm gonna 70 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: tell you about my week. And my week was spent 71 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: cleaning layers of North Dakota mud off of everything, driving 72 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: back from North Dakota, unloading and cleaning birds from North Dakota, 73 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: and cooking a couple of very nice meals. First, the 74 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: thing I know you care about the most the Snort 75 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Report Old snort Akus. Before we left North Dakota rounded 76 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: up some more pheasants. We took a walk with a 77 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: landowner and dentist named Ben, who did some really impressive 78 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: wing shooting and doubled at the end of our first walks. 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 1: Then he shot two roosters out of the sky snort 80 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: sprang into action and found one rooster immediately. Then it 81 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: seemed she had the second, but came out of the 82 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: tall stuff empty. After serious searching beating the brush, we 83 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: had to call it, which is terrible. Lots of excuses. 84 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: Brush was too thick, too much bird scent, got a 85 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: young dog. And the one excuse that I hate the 86 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: most is you know it happens, and it's true. Wound 87 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: loss does happen, but you shouldn't get comfortable with it. 88 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: Only silver lining here, and it's because anywhere they're good 89 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: game bird populations, there are good raptor ppulations. Ben was 90 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: shooting bismuth, so at least we only killed one bird. 91 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: We looped around and walked a shelter belt, which for 92 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: those who don't know, is like several rows of trees 93 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: and brush, usually a mix of whatever the country can sustain. 94 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: And that row of trees is supposed to like make 95 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: a little break so the wind doesn't scour the soil 96 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: off of fields like a long term soil erosion mitigator, 97 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: and it can also be like a wildlife habitator, I think, 98 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 1: And this particular shelter belt there was little to know undergrowth, 99 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: so the Snort had to be continually called back or 100 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: I like to call it break checking. Let her know 101 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: that this is a coordinated effort, not a dog chase 102 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: bird scenario. We found a handful of birds that were 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: willing to hold long enough to shoot at. I crippled 104 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: a bird that ran into the brush just as Snort 105 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: was coming out of it. Determined not to lose this one, 106 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I brought Snort to heal and put her on his track. 107 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: Three times she ran in on his scent, and three 108 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: times she flushed a hen, which was so painful because 109 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: I wanted that bird so bad. We dropped Ben's hat 110 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: on the spot and decided to keep pushing the belt 111 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: with the idea that the wounded bird was going to 112 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: end up. You know. At the end we didn't go 113 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: too far when Ben shouted, there he is, and after 114 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: a long sprint, Snort returned with the bird. At the 115 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: end of the day we had one lost rooster and 116 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: five in the bag, and Snort with a bunch more experience, 117 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: which was you know, certainly my main objective one observation. 118 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: Plenty of birds, but noticeably young birds. In fact, I 119 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: flushed a rooster on the Montana side of things that 120 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: hadn't grown enough rooster feathers to confidently be shot. I 121 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: spoke with a friend in South Dakota yesterday where they 122 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: had just had their opening day, and he reported the 123 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: same thing in Montana. I've heard most folks say that 124 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: there was an extra round of nesting due to a 125 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: late hatch grasshoppers. In the Dakota's a late rain caused 126 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: a quick but thick bloom of green grass. Lots of 127 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: young roosters, probably around the eight week age, underweight with 128 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: very short tails, but still lots of roosters. One last 129 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: note before we move on. I finally missed with my 130 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: new weather B twenty gage. It was bound to happen, right, 131 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: but I got five roosters in a row. Then I missed, 132 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: and shooting out of spite, not out of smarts, I 133 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: hit with my second barrel. That was the crippled rooster 134 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: that went on the wild run. That was a shot 135 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: I never should have taken, and we got lucky to 136 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: recover that bird. Snort may not say the same, but 137 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: that's my take on the situation. Moving on to the main, 138 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: dear desk, that's M. A I N. E. As you 139 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: probably know, State and wildlife departments rely on hunters to 140 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: manage game populations. If populations grow too large, agencies issue 141 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: more permits. If those populations are hit with a hard 142 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: winter or some type of disease, agencies issue fewer permits. 143 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: But what happens when issuing more permits isn't enough to 144 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: control a growing population, The main department of Inland Fisheries 145 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: and Wildlife is about to find out. According to a 146 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: great report by the Bangor Daily News, the white tailed 147 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: deer population in Maine is too large and hunters haven't 148 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: been able to shrink the herd. As any East Coast 149 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: resident can tell you, over abundance of deer can be 150 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: a major problem, not only for the health of the 151 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: deer herd, but also for the general public. Over one 152 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: hundred people die each year from deer related traffic accidents 153 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: in the US, and there were an estimated one point 154 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: five million deer related car insurance claims between two thousand 155 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: nineteen and two thousand twenty. White tail have all so 156 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: been linked to increased rates of limes disease because they 157 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: carry the ticks that spread the illness. There are about 158 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand white tail and Maine and biologists would 159 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: like to get that numbered down. They've tried issuing more permits, 160 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: but hunters aren't taking enough does to get the population 161 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: under control. Over the past handful of years, we've kind 162 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: of reached a plateau or a threshold where we're just 163 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: not able to achieve any significant increase in the harvest 164 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: of antlerless deer despite issuing a lot of permits, said 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: Maine State Wildlife official Nathan Webb. The state issued a 166 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: record breaking one hundred and fifty three thousand permits for 167 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: any type of white tail, but less than six percent 168 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: of those permits were used on adult does. The state 169 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: is unlikely to recruit more hunters unless they've found a 170 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: secret sauce than no other Fish and Wildlife department has 171 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: been able to find. So the question is how can 172 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: main Fish and Wildlife encourage more hunters to take more 173 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: female deer. There are several proposals that agency officials are considering. 174 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: The first is to change the quote any deer permit 175 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: system to one that allows hunters to bag an additional 176 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: antlerless deer. Right now, main hunters with a valid big 177 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: game hunting license can apply for a free permit that 178 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: allows them to hunt any type of deer within a 179 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: designated wildlife Management district. This first proposal would change the 180 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: any dear permit to an antlerless dear permit, allowing hunters 181 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: to harvest an antlerless deer in addition to another deer, 182 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: whether a buck or a dough. Dear. Biologists say that 183 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: this proposal would encourage hunters to bag a dough at 184 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. You've probably found yourself in 185 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: this situation. You hunt for a buck all season, and 186 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: on the last day you decide to shoot a dough 187 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: so you can at least take some venison home. Of course, 188 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: on that last day, there are no deer anywhere in sight, 189 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and you end up eating tag soup with two tags, 190 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: one for exclusively antlerless deer. Main hunters would be more 191 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: incentivized to take a dough on the first day of 192 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 1: the season and keep hunting for a buck later in 193 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: the year. Main's Fish and Wildlife Department may also decide 194 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: to charge a fee for an antlerless permit rather than 195 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: offering a free any deer permit. You may be saying, 196 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: what they couldn't give these things away and get people 197 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: to slap them on does how are they going to 198 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: sell them. That sounds counterintuitive, but how many times have 199 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: you done something or used something just because you paid 200 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: for it. That automatic can opener you bought is loud, 201 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: messy and harder to use than a hand crank opener, 202 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: but you know you paid for it at that garage sale, 203 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: so you're gonna use them. The same logic applies here. 204 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: If hunters are forced to pay a small fee for 205 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: their permits, they're less likely to let that money go 206 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: to waste. Fewer people will apply, but that will also 207 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: give Maine Fish and Wildlife a better estimate of how 208 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: many deer will be taken each year. Other proposals would 209 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: change the lottery system to allow hunters to choose only 210 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: two wildlife management districts and restrict permit swapping. As you 211 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: can imagine, main deer hunters have a variety of opinions 212 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: on these proposals. The main Department of England Fisheries and 213 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: Wildlife is currently accepting comments on these proposed changes. They're 214 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: conducting a survey on the main deer Hunters Facebook page 215 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: as well. The page isn't open to the public, but 216 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: the moderators kindly gave me access right now it looks 217 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: like the majority of respondents support the proposal to issue 218 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: antlerless dear permits, but main hunters don't like the prospect 219 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: of paying for permits that used to be free. If 220 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: you live in Maine and would like to weigh in, 221 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: go to Facebook and search for Maine. That's an a 222 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: I any deer hunters. But before we move on, I 223 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: would like to give a shout out to the good 224 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: folks in the Pine Tree State for the work they've 225 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: done to recover their state's white tail population a decade ago. 226 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: Main deer we're in trouble, especially in the northern, eastern, 227 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: and western parts of the state, which is the long 228 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: way of saying most of the state. The Department of 229 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: Wildlife took action, developed a plan, and hunters and conservationists 230 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: got on board. Today's over abundance of deer is a 231 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: different kind of problem, But the risk of stating the obvious, 232 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: I'd much rather have too many deer than too few. 233 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: Good work main deer hunters wigh in now or don't 234 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: complain later. Moving on to the bird feed desk, Michigan 235 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: Governor Gretchen Whitmer vetoed a bill last week that would 236 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: have erased restrictions on feeding birds in the state. Residents 237 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: are permitted to feed birds undercurrent law, but they must 238 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: use feeders that are inaccessible to deer and elk. Michigan's 239 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: Natural Resources Commission banned deer baiting in much of the 240 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: state in two thousand and eighteen, and those prohibitions also 241 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: apply to bird feeders that might be accessible to servants. 242 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: This year, Representative Ken Borton introduced legislation that would have 243 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: removed those restrictions and replaced them with two simple criteria. 244 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: Feed must be within three hundred feet of residents, and 245 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: there must be no more than two gallons of feet 246 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 1: on the ground at a time. As long as Michigander's 247 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: meet those two conditions, they won't have to worry about 248 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: whether deer and elk are accessing or congregating around the 249 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: bird food. The bill passed the House with the support 250 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: of a handful of Democrats, and passed along party lines 251 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: in the Senate, with Republicans voting for and Democrats voting against. 252 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Governor Whitmer, who has also vetoed bills lifting the deer 253 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: baiting ban, vetoed this bill on the grounds that it 254 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: would have contributed to the spread of chronic wasting to 255 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: ease among deer and elk. The bill would quote cast 256 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: aside sound disease management principles to loosen restrictions on deer 257 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: and elk feeding, threatening our agricultural and hunting industries. Both 258 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: the Michigan Department of Natural Resources and the Michigan Farm 259 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Bureau opposed the bill back in April. The bill's proponents, meanwhile, 260 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: argued that well intentioned Michiganders who want to feed birds 261 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: and squirrels face misdemeanor and felony charges if bird seed 262 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: accidentally falls from a feeder and is eaten by a servant. 263 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: Overly broad government rules punish individuals who simply place food 264 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: in their yards, even to keep animals from starving, said 265 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: Representative Borton. My plan would have protected citizens from unjust 266 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: fines and allowed recreational bird and wildlife feeding. Why would 267 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: you say something so controversially yet so brave. Important to 268 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: note that recreational bird and squirrel feeding is allowed. First 269 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: time violators of the baiting ban could be charged with 270 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: a misdemeanor, and three violations result in a felony. I'm 271 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: not aware of any well intentioned bird feeders who have 272 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: been charged with any crime in Michigan. But I can 273 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: see why potential charges might worry bird and squirrel lovers. 274 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: Running just below the surface of this debate is a 275 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: much larger debate about deer baiting and chronic wasting disease. 276 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: Unless you've been living under a rock for the last decade, 277 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. Many state wildlife agencies 278 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: have banned deer baiting because when servants congregate, chronic wasting 279 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: disease spreads more quickly. Hunters might not like it, but 280 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: these wildlife biologists are following the science on this one. 281 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: Dozens of studies have shown that c w D spreads 282 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: faster as animals congregate together around baits sites and food plots. 283 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: The question, of course, is whether this particular c w 284 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: D mitigation strategy can justify banning practices that have been 285 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: used by hunters in the East and Midwest for generations. 286 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: Hunting on small plots of land in thickly wooded areas 287 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: is more difficult if you can't attract dear to your 288 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: property with a delicious pile of calories. Hunters are understandably 289 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: upset about baiting bands if they think it will make 290 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: dear more difficult to harvest. If you want my opinion, 291 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: I think we should look to the long term health 292 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: of the deer herd. If baiting quickens the spread of 293 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: seed w D and makes controlling the disease more difficult, 294 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: hunters should be willing to change their strategies to meet 295 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: the challenge. Hunting is, after all, conservation, right, It's on 296 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: t shirts, It's got to be true. Michigan hunters seem 297 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: to be doing just that. While the total dear harvest 298 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: dropped a little after the baiting ban was implemented, two 299 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: thousand twenties deer harvest was higher than two thousand sixteen, 300 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, and two thousand eighteen. While the recent 301 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: proposed and vetoed legislation may have been an honest attempt 302 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: to prevent little old ladies from the slim possibility of 303 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: being ticketed with a felony because of sloppy bird feeders, 304 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: my hats off to Governor Whitmer and her staff for 305 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: stopping the bill. Regardless, I think we can safely leave 306 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: bird feeder enforcement to the law and bet that any 307 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: tickets are written to those little old ladies who have 308 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: sloppy bird feeders and choose to kill really big bucks 309 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: off of them. Moving on to the law enforcement desk, wardens, 310 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: as usual, have their hands very full with hunting seasons 311 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: in full swing. Oregon general buck season open at the 312 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: beginning of October, and Oregon Fish and Wildlife have deployed 313 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: wildlife enforcement decoys to nab poachers. Because this is audio, 314 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm pausing to say that the term quote Wildlife Enforcement 315 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: decoy or WEDS is capitalized like you know its official 316 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: government nomenclature. Anyway, the decoys are what you would expect, 317 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: big bucks with huge antlers standing broadside to the roadway. 318 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: Oregon has so far busted four would be poachers shooting 319 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 1: at the decoys from the road after legal hunting hours, 320 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: and in at least one case, with the aid of 321 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: artificial light. I know many of us have had the 322 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: terrible experience of taking a shot at an animal and 323 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: having that animal remained completely motionless, but this puts a 324 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: different spin on that. I suppose it's good strategy by 325 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife to broadcast the use of these decoys 326 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: far and wide to dissuade Oregonians from giving into temptation 327 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: and taking a poke at that deer of a lifetime 328 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: just off the road, I believe. In Montana, one of 329 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: the well used webs was referred to as dirty Harry. 330 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: Don't worry. Whatever state you live in has something similar. 331 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: Rangers from Colorado Parks and Wildlife recently improved the life 332 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: of one particular elk who had been carrying a car 333 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: tire around its neck for two years. We've talked a 334 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: bunch about hunters passing on colored deer and elk because 335 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: they seem kind of sullied by the hand of man, 336 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: but an old tire for a necklace brings that feeling 337 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: to a whole new level. The elk, with its tiresome burden, 338 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: had been spotted by residents and captured on trail camp 339 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: since two thousand nineteen, and CPW officers had been hot 340 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: on its treads ever since. But finally Wildlife Officer Dawson 341 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: Swanson was able to close the deal and hit the 342 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: bull with the tranquilizer dirt on October seven. The officers 343 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: had a short window before the station wore off, and 344 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: after discovering a steel band and the tire that they 345 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: couldn't cut through, they decided to saw the bulls antlers 346 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: off and pull the tire over its head. The tire 347 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: was full of at least ten pounds of accumulated dirt, 348 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: pine needles, and other crowd no aunts will likely mean 349 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: a lonely two thousand, twenty one mating season for this bowl, 350 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: But on the bright side, he is already looking much 351 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: less tired. According to the CPW press release, this kind 352 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: of thing isn't as unusual as you might imagine. Their 353 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: list of the crap that deer, elk, moose, bears, and 354 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: other wildlife get tangled up with includes swing sets, hammocks, 355 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: clothing lines, furniture, tomato cages, chicken feeders, laundry basket, soccer goals, 356 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: mountain lions, bobcats, volleyball nets, holiday lighting decorations, and I'm 357 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: sure a bunch of other things. So if in the 358 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks you see an elk with a 359 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: human skull impaled on one of its antlers, relax, he 360 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: was probably just grazing near Halloween display, probably moving on 361 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: to the Montana desk. In a problem that would seem 362 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: inconceivable to hunters just a generation ago. Montana has too 363 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: many elk, or at least too many elk walking into 364 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: inconvenient places. For some of us. Elk aren't dumb, and 365 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: under hunting pressure, they moved from public land on to 366 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: private land where Joe public hunter cannot follow. And wherever 367 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: they are they eat. Bowl elk grow those beautiful antlers 368 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: from scratch every year, and the material to make them 369 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is often 370 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: the private land of farmers and ranchers who are already 371 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: hard pressed to make a profit. This is known in 372 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: many places as the elk tax. So how to expand 373 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: elk hunting on private land to control elk numbers? Following 374 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: a statute passed by the state legislature last session, the 375 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: Montana Fish and Wildlife Commission recently approved hunting access agreements 376 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: for three large private ranches in the state, including one 377 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: owned by Texas fracking magnates Dan and Ferris Wilkes. The 378 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: special agreement gives these out of state landowners eight bowl 379 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: elk tags free of charge, and they can invite eight 380 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: other hunters who already have and either sex tag to 381 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: hunt on their property. If those eight hunters want to 382 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: pay the landowner for that privilege, they may do so. 383 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: That's a pretty sweet deal, especially after Ferris Wilkes didn't 384 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: draw a bowl elk tag when he applied through the 385 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: general out of state lottery last season. In return for 386 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: this special setup, the ranch will allow sixteen randomly selected 387 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 1: hunters to go after cow elk on the property for 388 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: five days. To someone learning about this situation for the 389 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: first time, this might seem like a pretty good idea, 390 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: although an earlier program in two thousand nineteen Montana resident 391 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: hunters were granted much wider access to the Wilkes's property 392 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: and killed over three hundred cow elk. Free market hunting 393 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: groups make the case that this provision and ones like 394 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: it give landowners the incentive to manage their property for wildlife, 395 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: while also allowing a certain amount of public access in return. 396 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: This most recent arrangement is much much more favorable to 397 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: big landowners than similar deals in the recent past. The 398 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: Wilkes brothers own a little over three fifty eight thousand 399 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: acres in the state. A similar example of this type 400 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: of management would be, of course, New Mexico, which we've 401 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: discussed many times, where up to half of all available 402 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: elk tags go to landowners who can then turn around 403 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: and sell those tags to the highest bidder. The result 404 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: in New Mexico is so few tags remaining for the 405 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: average hunter that draws have become increasingly difficult. New Mexico 406 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: is one of the lowest income states in the nation. 407 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: Hunting isn't just a pastime for a lot of people, 408 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: It's a lifeline to food. Montana already has excellent incentives 409 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: in place to make it worth a landowners while to 410 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: allow the public to hunt their land. The block Management 411 00:25:54,280 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: program gives landowners hunting licensing benefits, liability protection, livestock US reimbursements, 412 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: and up to twenty five dollars in compensation for allowing access. 413 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: This general compensation is very different from granting transferable landowner tags. Namely, 414 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't provide a sense of ownership to public wildlife. 415 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: Block management attempts to balance the hassle of people coming 416 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: onto your land by providing compensation and providing as near 417 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: a democratic system as possible to you know, essentially, everyone 418 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: has an equal chance of being able to hunt, but 419 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: each transferable landowner tag can fetch twenty thousand dollars or 420 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: more depending on the unit, with the option to sell 421 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of these tags to wealthy hunters. Why would 422 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: anyone decide to let regular people who they don't know 423 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: come hunt for a once a year payment of twenty 424 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Let's go back to the Wilkes example. 425 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: If they were to get prime rates for their bowl tags, 426 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: that's a hundred and sixty thousand dollars for the year, 427 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: plus whatever they can get for trespass fees. All of 428 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: that in exchange for letting sixteen public hunters have the 429 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: opportunity to hunt cow elk for five days unless those 430 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: sixteen cow hunters can somehow manage to coordinate an effective 431 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: elk drive to push the herd off the property completely well, 432 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to quote the Duke and true grit, 433 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: that baby sister is no deal. That's all I've got 434 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: for you this week. Thanks for listening. 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