Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know from house Stuff Works
Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh
Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Chuck Bryant and this is oh
Speaker 1: Jerry and this is sufficient eight. Can you say it
Speaker 1: in German? You speak German? Don't even drive me? That's
Speaker 1: why did I? Ah, Stephen? Now can you do that
Speaker 1: in a little girl voice? No? You always make me
Speaker 1: play st poly girl. I'm tired of it. Save Polly Girl. Now.
Speaker 1: This is apparently even younger than the sat Polly Girl.
Speaker 1: It's like a little girl and it was alive little
Speaker 1: girl who in the Swedish rhapsody number station it was
Speaker 1: a young a little girl reading out numbers and letters
Speaker 1: in German, which makes it even creepier. This is a
Speaker 1: very neat subject, so kudos to you for tossing this
Speaker 1: one out there. Well, I've been waiting for it to publish.
Speaker 1: I've seen it in the calendar coming up and coming up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, come on and published. And I think it
Speaker 1: published on Friday Tuesday, right out of the oven. And uh,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it just as they are completing their decline,
Speaker 1: so we are on top of this. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that well, we'll get into it. I think that's what
Speaker 1: makes it even more interesting is that it's still happening,
Speaker 1: all right. Numbers stations. Numbers stations. Yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: number both words are a little clumsy, um, and number
Speaker 1: of stations are. We should just come out and say
Speaker 1: they're short wave radio transmissions or transmitters, making really weird
Speaker 1: baffling is the best word for it. Transmissions and have
Speaker 1: been doing so apparently since at least World War one.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah. Supposedly the first mention of a numbers station,
Speaker 1: uh came from a German magazine. In World War One
Speaker 1: and World War Two they were in full swing, sure,
Speaker 1: but apparently they somehow popped up first round world War one,
Speaker 1: which makes them some of the earliest short wave transmissions
Speaker 1: in the world, because shortwave radio didn't come around, at
Speaker 1: least into commercial use until about World War One. Was
Speaker 1: a few years before that, if you'll remember correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't even think that that was possible.
Speaker 1: But like you said, world War two was when they
Speaker 1: were full swing. They really peaked in the Cold War, um,
Speaker 1: and they've been dying out slowly ever since. But I
Speaker 1: think one of the neatest things is they are still
Speaker 1: if you have a short wave radio, you can tune
Speaker 1: into a frequency and here be one to seven eight.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's usually like some sort of tone
Speaker 1: we should mention to Jerry of the future. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to leave that beep in because it's part of
Speaker 1: the numbers stations. Yeah, we beat Jerry to signal when
Speaker 1: we want something edited. But yeah, number station. It's not
Speaker 1: always a beat, but will just have some sort of
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a bit of a song, yeah, like this
Speaker 1: Swedish Rhapsody or the Lincolnshire Poacher of British English Ukish
Speaker 1: folk song and uh. And the reason um that they
Speaker 1: the transmission starts off with a tone or a beep
Speaker 1: or a song is so you can it alerts like
Speaker 1: here comes the transmission to in your station hone and
Speaker 1: make sure you get some good reception because the secret
Speaker 1: code is about to be revealed. And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: everyone is pretty much in consensus on that what comes
Speaker 1: after this and what is broadcast over these numbers stations
Speaker 1: are secret codes. Yeah. Again for the Swedish Rhapsody station. Um,
Speaker 1: it is a little girl in speaking in German, reading
Speaker 1: numbers and letters random seemingly random numbers and letters, and
Speaker 1: then the transmission is over and that happens like or
Speaker 1: it used to happen. That's a defunct numbers station now,
Speaker 1: but it happened on a fairly regular schedule. There's other ones.
Speaker 1: The atension station is a woman saying attension and then
Speaker 1: reading Spanish numbers and then repeating them over and over
Speaker 1: again and then going on to the next set. And everybody.
Speaker 1: No one can say for certain, but virtually everyone in
Speaker 1: the world, from Cecil Adams that's straight dope to the
Speaker 1: head of the UK's Trade and Industry Agency say these
Speaker 1: are secret transmissions for spies. The whole basis of them
Speaker 1: was for espionage. Yeah. And the reason why everyone is
Speaker 1: speculating that that is absolutely the case, which almost certainly
Speaker 1: it's like we said, is because no government to this
Speaker 1: day has come forward and admitted this or own this.
Speaker 1: It is all still technically speculation because you cannot point
Speaker 1: to a factual statement. The closest we've ever come is
Speaker 1: they finally got someone from the United Kingdom of spokesperson.
Speaker 1: That was the dude from the Trade Agency the exact
Speaker 1: quotas people should not be mystified by them they're not,
Speaker 1: shall we say, for public consumption. Yeah, and that's the
Speaker 1: only thing on record that any government has ever spoke
Speaker 1: about what these transmissions are. Right, So, the the idea
Speaker 1: that they are government transitions are the reason we have
Speaker 1: to speculate, because the government has never claimed them. On
Speaker 1: the flip side, the reason everyone thinks that they are
Speaker 1: government backed claimed Stein transmissions is because these are pirate
Speaker 1: radio frequencies, pirate radio transmitters. Yeah. My first thing was like,
Speaker 1: just find one of these and look it up and
Speaker 1: find out what the deal is. Yeah, you would think.
Speaker 1: So they're totally unlicensed. Um, nobody knows exactly where they
Speaker 1: are illegal. Technically, yes, they're very illegal because they transmit
Speaker 1: over air traffic control frequencies. Um, well that's a big one.
Speaker 1: And no one investigates them. There's no investigation into these
Speaker 1: number stations whatsoever. So the fact that the government won't
Speaker 1: say anything about them, and the fact that the government
Speaker 1: isn't investigating these very blatantly out in the open um
Speaker 1: weird baffling transmissions suggests that yeah, everybody's right that these
Speaker 1: are government backed transmissions used to communicate anonymously and in
Speaker 1: one direction. Two spies embedded in foreign countries. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was about to call it a conversation, but it's really not.
Speaker 1: It's a it's um. I think on the BBC documents
Speaker 1: all they called it a monologue. You're just sending a
Speaker 1: one way message. Um, all right, Right after this break,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little bit about short wave radio technology.
Speaker 1: The secret key to sending these messages after this break,
Speaker 1: all right, The key to this whole thing is sending
Speaker 1: a short way Like you might think in this day
Speaker 1: and age, why not just send a telefax? No, that's
Speaker 1: send an email or you know, there's surely, surely there
Speaker 1: are safer ways to send espionage, this information, highly classified
Speaker 1: instructions to go kill the leader of a country, perhaps, right,
Speaker 1: like if you want to activate Reggie Jackson to kill
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth kill Norberg. Yeah, that's that's how would you
Speaker 1: do it in this day and age? You think an
Speaker 1: email would do it? No, And you want to know
Speaker 1: who proves definitively that that is not safe for secure? Um? Who?
Speaker 1: J Edward Snowden? Yeah there there. Um. If you use
Speaker 1: a computer, you leave a trace. It's virtually impossible to
Speaker 1: erase anything on a computer. If you think you have,
Speaker 1: then you haven't. Plus, if you are, say emailing somebody,
Speaker 1: you're transmitting what's supposed to be highly sensitive even encrypted
Speaker 1: information over a network. That stuff can be captured, Like
Speaker 1: go listen to ours an employer. Is your employer spying
Speaker 1: on new episode? You? You can't do it like you
Speaker 1: You can communicate like that, but you're leaving digital traces everywhere.
Speaker 1: The beauty of the short wave radio transmission is that again,
Speaker 1: it's anonymous and it's one directional. But if you get
Speaker 1: caught with a short wave radio at least say back
Speaker 1: in the sixties or the M and D s or something, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't weird. It didn't prove that you were a spy.
Speaker 1: Yeah you've done. Just tune an into my too, my stories.
Speaker 1: Just listening to the BBC World Service. Uh, short wave
Speaker 1: energy radio energy. It's all determined by the power of
Speaker 1: your transmitter. So if you've got a humongous transmitter, you
Speaker 1: can send and it didn't need to be that big,
Speaker 1: but you can send a message when we message to
Speaker 1: the other side of the world. And the reason it
Speaker 1: can travel across the planet is because it's bouncing off
Speaker 1: of it literally is bouncing off the ionosphere of the
Speaker 1: Earth or of well, yeah, of the Earth, uh, fifty
Speaker 1: to three seventy five miles up above our surface. It's
Speaker 1: in the upper atmosphere, and solar ionization creates an electrical
Speaker 1: charge and that charge reflects that signal right back down
Speaker 1: to Earth. It's called skywave or skip and skywave. And
Speaker 1: that's why you can with a seemingly pretty simple piece
Speaker 1: of equipment, I can send a message to of the
Speaker 1: South Pacific. Yeah, from my bedroom. Well, I don't know
Speaker 1: if i'd have one big enough for my my bedrooms
Speaker 1: pretty big. I wanted to see how big these things
Speaker 1: were actually, you know, like if they say a really
Speaker 1: big ones to send them further and further, Like how
Speaker 1: big do they get? They get very huge. They can
Speaker 1: cover scores of acres a big shortwave antenna um, which
Speaker 1: is why I can get very expensive So that's bigger
Speaker 1: than my bedroom. You can also use ones that are
Speaker 1: the size of your bedroom. And it depends not only
Speaker 1: like you said, on the size of the transmitter, it
Speaker 1: depends on the atmospheric conditions to Supposually, shortwave transmissions are
Speaker 1: received best at sunrise and sunset, and no one's sure,
Speaker 1: but it has to do with the ion sphere, and
Speaker 1: because that's where the northern lights are happening, that's where
Speaker 1: solar rays hit the hit the Earth's atmosphere and they
Speaker 1: the atoms loose their electrons I believe, so they become
Speaker 1: ions forming the ionosphere. And because this is constantly changing, UM,
Speaker 1: you can't predict exactly how a short wave radio wave
Speaker 1: will act, but you can kind of guess, well, this
Speaker 1: time the Sun's least active or most active, whatever, it
Speaker 1: has some impact on that sky. What's it called the sky?
Speaker 1: What the skywave effect? So you can communicate with somebody
Speaker 1: in a foreign country, right, and not only can it
Speaker 1: not be tracked, it's very difficult to trace who sent that,
Speaker 1: where that transmission is coming from, it's impossible to trace
Speaker 1: who's receiving it. So you have no idea who in
Speaker 1: your country is getting this, which means that you're broadcasting
Speaker 1: to anybody and everybody who feels like listening to this.
Speaker 1: UM a secret code, but the fact is, if you
Speaker 1: use the right kind of secret code, no one can
Speaker 1: crack it all. Right. That brings up an important point
Speaker 1: because you would think also you can hack into the
Speaker 1: most secure computer system on the planet if you're good
Speaker 1: enough as a hacker, So how in the world could
Speaker 1: sending a coded key like it's nineteen fifty five and
Speaker 1: you're trying to get your Dakota ring you know from
Speaker 1: the Red was Red Rider? No, No, that's way off. No,
Speaker 1: what was it? It was fy No? No, no, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about it in the Christmas Story. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a little orphan that was the show. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was. He didn't. He didn't care about pirates
Speaker 1: and all that jazz pirates and smugglers and all that.
Speaker 1: He listened to a little or Fanny and little I'll
Speaker 1: take a word for it. I remember, now do you know?
Speaker 1: But I'll take your word for it. Dude, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it's a little or Fanny was my hat. I
Speaker 1: don't have a hat on right now, but I would
Speaker 1: eat it if I if I were wrong. At any rate,
Speaker 1: you're not a little Ralphie decoding the message from Little
Speaker 1: or Fananny. But it is actually the most secure way
Speaker 1: that you can send a secret message is by creating
Speaker 1: a unique code that you know and have written down
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper, and your buddy knows who
Speaker 1: has it written down on a piece of paper. You
Speaker 1: only use it once. That's the kind of the key here,
Speaker 1: and then you destroy it afterward. That is still the
Speaker 1: most it's unbreakable. So what it's called is a one
Speaker 1: time pad, the old one time because you only use
Speaker 1: it once, and it is old. It's from the nineteenth century. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's still uncrackable. It is. And the reason why
Speaker 1: it's uncrackable it is because you each have, like you said,
Speaker 1: you each have a copy of this this code. But
Speaker 1: it's randomly generated. Right, So let's say, um, you have
Speaker 1: the sheet of paper and the other person has a
Speaker 1: sheet of paper, and the sheet of paper says, it's
Speaker 1: just like strings of random numbers, like four or five
Speaker 1: numbers long, and it's just totally random and it just covers,
Speaker 1: you know, several sheets of paper. Well, you guys start
Speaker 1: at the same place, and when person transmitting the message
Speaker 1: wants to encrypt it, they run their message. So say
Speaker 1: you guys have agreed like zero is a, B is one,
Speaker 1: C is two, etcetera. So you'd take that and you'd you,
Speaker 1: I know, dude, is mind boggling. Like this is about
Speaker 1: as simple as cryptology gets. And it makes me bleed
Speaker 1: for my ears because all you have to do is
Speaker 1: agree on what's what. You know, it could be anything, right,
Speaker 1: So you're agreeing on what's what, But um, you also
Speaker 1: have this randomly generated code key, right. So um, let's
Speaker 1: say I want to say, what up, chuck. Let's W
Speaker 1: H A T U P C h U c K.
Speaker 1: So that's eleven letters, right. So if you have your
Speaker 1: your key and you're encoding it, you would use these first,
Speaker 1: the first eleven numbers to encode what's already encoded. So
Speaker 1: the W who is say, says it's the number twenty two, right,
Speaker 1: and then so on. So like there's a number assigned
Speaker 1: to each letter, so you have that, and then you
Speaker 1: run it through this code, this randomly generated code. So
Speaker 1: you add that and then so you have, um, what
Speaker 1: I say, twenty two and then um say, the first
Speaker 1: letter or the first number of this code is seven,
Speaker 1: so you have twenty nine. So that's what the little
Speaker 1: German girl reads on the air two eighteen. It means
Speaker 1: nothing to anyone else in the entire world except for
Speaker 1: you and the person who has the other copy of
Speaker 1: this code, since there's only two copies and you're only
Speaker 1: using it once and you're gonna eat it afterwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the key is that it's randomly generated numbers. Then
Speaker 1: it'll it's theoretically it will never be broken. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean that's just one example. You could You could
Speaker 1: have five pre code rules to confuse someone trying to
Speaker 1: crack this code. Yeah, and they don't even It's not
Speaker 1: like the simplest code is this letter represents this number,
Speaker 1: this number represents this letter. It gets more complex than that.
Speaker 1: You could both have agreed upon a book you have
Speaker 1: to kill a mockingbird. I've got to kill a mockingbird
Speaker 1: for eight twelve thirteen four means go to page fourteen
Speaker 1: means now you're really going to page thirteen, Ignore four,
Speaker 1: then look at the twelfth line. Then look at the
Speaker 1: eighth word on that page. Right. What a what a
Speaker 1: one time pad would do is take that already agreed
Speaker 1: upon code and encrypt it even further. Yeah. But the
Speaker 1: point is it doesn't have to represent letters. It can
Speaker 1: represent full words in a text that you've agreed upon.
Speaker 1: And it's basically like thumbing through this book picking out
Speaker 1: all these various words to make a sentence. Right. The
Speaker 1: problem is that's its vulnerability as well, like to to
Speaker 1: get a copy of the randomly generated key that's used
Speaker 1: to encrypt this message. Right, Um, you have to have
Speaker 1: some sort of contact with somebody, So that's one vulnerability
Speaker 1: of it. The thing is is like, depending on how
Speaker 1: long this is, as many numbers as there are, um
Speaker 1: is as long as as many transmissions as you can transmit.
Speaker 1: Does that make any sense? So so I said, what up, chuck,
Speaker 1: that's eleven. That uses the first eleven numbers on this key.
Speaker 1: But say there's fifty thou numbers on the key, Well,
Speaker 1: we have a lot more messages we I can send
Speaker 1: to you that that we're going through the pad. Eventually though,
Speaker 1: we're going to use up this pad and we need
Speaker 1: to meet again, so I can give you another randomly
Speaker 1: generated key. That's the vulnerability of it. Well, the other
Speaker 1: well and not a fail safe. But the thing it
Speaker 1: makes it even safer is a lot of times they
Speaker 1: would send and presumably are still sending dummy messages, so
Speaker 1: you don't even know if it's real to begin with.
Speaker 1: And there are only so many person hours you can
Speaker 1: dedicate as a government to code crackers, and they might
Speaker 1: be working on a code that's not even real. You
Speaker 1: don't know what transmissions are are legit and that that
Speaker 1: is a proposal by a group called ENIGMA. And we'll
Speaker 1: talk about Enigma right after this message because they're pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: So Chuck Um, we were talking about Enigma. I mentioned Enigma,
Speaker 1: and ENIGMA is this group that of basically amateur radio people,
Speaker 1: shortwave radio enthusiast. They really get into this. UM it's
Speaker 1: a thing and they started This is pre pre internet days.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the eighties, the late eighties
Speaker 1: early nineties that ENIGMA first came around and kind of
Speaker 1: coalesced an. ENIGMA stands for European Numbers Information Gathering and
Speaker 1: Monitoring Association, and basically it was just a group of
Speaker 1: these people who had all the spell enigma, yeah right,
Speaker 1: who had all and I think they reverse engineer UM.
Speaker 1: But they had all kind of started to talk or
Speaker 1: find each other and say have you heard this weird
Speaker 1: transmission and they're like, yes, I've heard that one, and
Speaker 1: you should. You should check out this frequency on Tuesday
Speaker 1: nights at eight pm because it transmits this. And there
Speaker 1: they suddenly realized there's this whole community of people out there.
Speaker 1: So they set up a newsletter, they started in a
Speaker 1: naming convention, and they started assigning, collecting, and assigning names
Speaker 1: to these different things. So like uh E designated a
Speaker 1: an English speaking trans numbers station, um S was Slavic
Speaker 1: v is various, which incumbani encapsulates everything from like French
Speaker 1: to Spanish. And Enigma really took this thing and put
Speaker 1: it into understandable terms. And they are basically eavesdropping where
Speaker 1: they were eavesdropping on the spy community. Are they not
Speaker 1: doing that anymore? So? Enigma disbanded I think in two
Speaker 1: thousand and then almost immediately another group came and said, well,
Speaker 1: we're Enigma two thousand. We're going to carry this on.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty fortunate because they were around to um
Speaker 1: put all this on the internet. Before it was like
Speaker 1: you had to like subscribe to newsletters and have a
Speaker 1: short wave radio. Now it's like you can just go
Speaker 1: on the internet and and um listen to all sorts
Speaker 1: of archives of these defunct UM number stations as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they're creepy sounding. I don't like it's kind
Speaker 1: of cool. I've got one for you. We've talked about
Speaker 1: it before. Do you remember the Yosemite SAM transmission. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that that's just a person having fun. Well,
Speaker 1: let's play it. I like that one. I think it's
Speaker 1: full of info. It's cool. It's coming from somewhere out
Speaker 1: in Albuquerque in the desert in New Mexico, and it's
Speaker 1: been going since what like two thousand four and um
Speaker 1: what makes this one interesting is that it's not a code.
Speaker 1: It's just Yosemite Sam saying that thing. Well, then it's
Speaker 1: followed by that data burst, which they think is some
Speaker 1: sort of compressed information. Yeah. See, I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I think this is a short wave enthusiast having a
Speaker 1: good time. Well, he's been doing it like, it's pretty sophisticated.
Speaker 1: It does it like over and over again, I think
Speaker 1: for forty seconds and switches to the next frequency and
Speaker 1: it just goes through the band on a then he's
Speaker 1: got a computer doing it for him. Maybe if it
Speaker 1: is just some dude, But either way, I like the
Speaker 1: use of you, Samity Sam. It's cool, but it's pretty
Speaker 1: it's exemplar of um of it's a numbers station, of
Speaker 1: a numbers transmission. There's something that indicates that this is
Speaker 1: about to happen, and then there's the happening, the transmission
Speaker 1: of the secret code. Whether it's digital in nature, or
Speaker 1: whether it's spoken um, and then there it is ended
Speaker 1: by you know, yossemity sam again or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's saying, here's the beginning, here's the information, here's the end.
Speaker 1: Now go kill Northburg. One of the other cool things
Speaker 1: about this is and um, you know when we were
Speaker 1: talking about truly there's better ways. And the government could
Speaker 1: theoretically shut down the Internet, they could zapp satellite transmissions,
Speaker 1: they could shut everything down. This is almost unstoppable. You
Speaker 1: can't shut down short wave radio. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: you cut power maybe yeah, well no, suppose you know,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, and then I guess if people have
Speaker 1: batteries though in their shortwave radio. Good point. The one
Speaker 1: way to combat it is called jamming frequency jamming, and
Speaker 1: basically it's just broadcasting on the same frequency that these
Speaker 1: these other transmitters, the numbers stations are transmitting on. And
Speaker 1: so if you're broadcasting within your country, you're probably going
Speaker 1: to reach those. Shortwave radio is better than somebody on
Speaker 1: the other side of the planet's transmission well, and so
Speaker 1: apparently Russia spent billions or the Soviets spent billions of
Speaker 1: dollars during the Cold War jamming frequencies from all sorts
Speaker 1: of different transmissions, um, and they play things like the
Speaker 1: sound of seagulls or random beeps or whatever. And it
Speaker 1: was just to prevent people from transmitting into Russia. But
Speaker 1: even with all of that money and technology mustard or
Speaker 1: marshaled against it, they still weren't entirely successful. Like shortwave
Speaker 1: radio transmissions get through. It's just too big to fight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't jam the entire frequency of all short waves,
Speaker 1: like every single frequency. Um. If you have ever heard
Speaker 1: the the Wilco remember Yankee Hotel Foxtrot that album that
Speaker 1: was on the album at some point, I can't remember
Speaker 1: which song it Yankee Hotel Foxtrot in a woman's voice
Speaker 1: and that is a famous uh code. Was that from
Speaker 1: the Content project? No, I don't think so, but we
Speaker 1: should talk about that. For sure. That was a project.
Speaker 1: And it was also I guess and the the wild
Speaker 1: West days where you're talking about pre internet. If people
Speaker 1: wanted to hear the stuff, some people got together and
Speaker 1: put together a greatest it's sort of on CD with
Speaker 1: a lot of accompanying material about what you're listening to,
Speaker 1: and um, none of them obviously you can't break these codes.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I find interesting is people sit around
Speaker 1: listen to this stuff, but with no aim of cracking
Speaker 1: the code. I think some people do attempt to crack
Speaker 1: the code and it's impossible. Well, it's not impossible, and
Speaker 1: we should say that with the reason why it's not
Speaker 1: impossible is because if you're using a computer generated random number,
Speaker 1: computer is not capable of truly of generating a truly
Speaker 1: random number because computers run on algorithms, and algorithms are
Speaker 1: designed to follow patterns, so they're just incapable of it.
Speaker 1: So you could, especially today, a hacker could conceivably crack
Speaker 1: one of these, especially old transmissions. But but you still
Speaker 1: don't know what those numbers stand for. Even if you
Speaker 1: find a pattern of numbers, right, there's still an agreed
Speaker 1: upon thing that you would have to figure out, but
Speaker 1: it would it makes it possible if you could crack
Speaker 1: that one time pad key, then you have a real
Speaker 1: chance at the deciphering the message itself. Well, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you know what they stand for. But I still maintain
Speaker 1: if only you and I know what those numbers represent,
Speaker 1: to kill a mockingbird pages, Yeah exactly. Uh, well, you
Speaker 1: were saying the Content Project thing. So it's a four
Speaker 1: CD compilation and apparently I read an article from the
Speaker 1: time when it came out, which is the nineties, and
Speaker 1: it was like perfect timing because there was why two
Speaker 1: K going on, there was Millennium angst, there was the
Speaker 1: X Files, and this thing came out and Salon wrote
Speaker 1: an article on it, and this guy who wrote it
Speaker 1: was like a music concrete aficionada. So people appreciated it,
Speaker 1: not just for the fact that it's like recordings of
Speaker 1: real live um spy transmissions, but some people like the
Speaker 1: kind of avant garde noise that it had going on
Speaker 1: to And the Flaming Lips are currently planning an album
Speaker 1: composed if nothing but Messages from Number Stations Number eight. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's a movie that exists that I had never heard of,
Speaker 1: called The Number Station. I hadn't heard of it either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was released really. It said of
Speaker 1: from two thousand thirteen, and like I know, most movies
Speaker 1: that are released, it's it's it probably went straight to
Speaker 1: video or some Then I watched the trailer to day
Speaker 1: it's John cusack and uh Melin Ackerman, and you know
Speaker 1: they work at a number station and he's to protect
Speaker 1: the number station, but something bad happens and they're compromised,
Speaker 1: and is who who he says he is? And is
Speaker 1: she who she says she is? Who knows? You'll have
Speaker 1: to that turkey to find out. Didn't look bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure it looked pretty bad. Sorry, John Cusack, Sorry John Cusack.
Speaker 1: So the I think one of the most interesting things
Speaker 1: about UM numbers stations is that, like you said, they
Speaker 1: peaked during the Cold War right when the Berlin Wall fell,
Speaker 1: and then in a few years after that the number
Speaker 1: of transmissions supposedly just dropped off dramatically, although I did
Speaker 1: see in at least one place that supposedly they increased,
Speaker 1: but I didn't see that supported anywhere else. But the
Speaker 1: idea that they're still around it all in two thousand fourteen,
Speaker 1: that there are still numbers stations transmitting gibberish really says
Speaker 1: a lot. So it says a couple of things, and
Speaker 1: you've already mentioned one. It's possible they are just transmitting
Speaker 1: gibberish to throw off anybody listening, UM, to basically just
Speaker 1: kind of sap their resources, like keep them Ruski is busy. Um.
Speaker 1: Another one is that they're keeping them going in case
Speaker 1: they need to use them again. I think that's totally
Speaker 1: the reason, in which case that's pretty smart, because that's
Speaker 1: just you're not showing your hand, like where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden u uh an inactive radio station suddenly starts
Speaker 1: up again ind case activity and it's been doing the
Speaker 1: same thing for ten years, and on year seven it
Speaker 1: actually transmitted a real secret message, but it seemed just
Speaker 1: like the everything else in those ten years. You're doing
Speaker 1: some pretty good spycraft there, yeah, Or just to keep
Speaker 1: that UM like you may not be actively using it,
Speaker 1: but just to keep that um A method relevant. Like
Speaker 1: you know, if you quit doing something, it's gonna die off.
Speaker 1: No one's gonna know how to do it anymore. So
Speaker 1: that you know, just keep those people working. And you
Speaker 1: know they may may not even know if they're transmitting
Speaker 1: real messages or not. I would guess if you're just
Speaker 1: saying oh yeah, yeah, if you're just saying a a
Speaker 1: sheet of paper and it's just yeah, in fact, that
Speaker 1: maybe a pretty safe way to do things. It's like
Speaker 1: the person with the nuclear key just a test. Who
Speaker 1: knows gas we'll find out in UM. There are also
Speaker 1: other theories that they are and I think some of
Speaker 1: this does go on. Um, maybe drug runners using stuff
Speaker 1: like this because some of them are less than professional.
Speaker 1: Apparently the ones from Cuba or Cuba sorry Jerry, are
Speaker 1: a little um uh comical. Well, they were renowned for
Speaker 1: just having really bad slip ups, especially during the whole war,
Speaker 1: like you'd hear people talking and laughing in the background,
Speaker 1: or an accidental transmission of a radio station radio Havan
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, so they were kind of known for
Speaker 1: for not being too skilled at it. But I imagine
Speaker 1: the drug runners are the same. Yeah, it's virtually the
Speaker 1: same thing. And I mean there's absolutely no reason why
Speaker 1: drug runners couldn't have also couldn't also use this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: alongside the espionage community too. Yeah, there's might be a
Speaker 1: IS one, b IS two and they get the message
Speaker 1: says chipment of Kilo's coming in Miami Beach tomorrow night. Right,
Speaker 1: let's go get them kill one. I'm one, uh, But
Speaker 1: I do think there may be a little bit of that.
Speaker 1: I think it's a mixed bag of why they're still
Speaker 1: being broadcast. I think there are enthusiasts that are probably
Speaker 1: just doing their own thing for fun. Yeah, that'd be fun. Man,
Speaker 1: if I was in in Guam and I could send
Speaker 1: you a private message to be a short wave Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant people who are just doing it,
Speaker 1: just a mess with like the Enigma community or something.
Speaker 1: I think that probably happens to I bet you it's
Speaker 1: all kinds of things. Yeah, I'm sure you're right. Um,
Speaker 1: there's one guy out there. And trust me, there have
Speaker 1: been some some actual spies who have been busted in
Speaker 1: this century, long after the Cold War, who had shortwave
Speaker 1: radios and one time pads in their apartments or houses. Apparently,
Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven in Germany, a couple who lived
Speaker 1: there since and we're spying for the Russians were caught
Speaker 1: in the act of receiving a numbers transmission in their
Speaker 1: home when they were apprehended and busted for spying. I
Speaker 1: can see that scene. He's got like one headphone up
Speaker 1: and he's holding out with his hand and he's writing
Speaker 1: something down in pencil and his wife's trying to eat
Speaker 1: it really quick spit out. And in two thousand one
Speaker 1: and A. Mantz worked for the U. S Civil Defension
Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency and she was convicted of spying for Cuba.
Speaker 1: And when they searched her home they found a short
Speaker 1: wave radio and a code sheet and um, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's it's still going on. Man, I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty neat. Yeah, I do too, Like it's old
Speaker 1: school but almost fool proof. Yeah. The big vulnerabilities getting
Speaker 1: the random randomly generated key to the spy. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: they also point out in the article who wrote this one?
Speaker 1: By the way, uh Nathan Chandler. Um. Nathan points out
Speaker 1: that these days, you're likely um, you're one timer might
Speaker 1: be sent to you, maybe digitally somehow, but it's not
Speaker 1: It doesn't like tip anyone off necessarily. Yeah, but not
Speaker 1: quite sure how. Yeah, I would think if you're being watched,
Speaker 1: then an email with a lot of random numbers might differ. Well,
Speaker 1: it used to be they print them on that the
Speaker 1: kind of paper that like dissolved quickly or burned and
Speaker 1: left no ash or whatever. They were on such tiny
Speaker 1: paper you had to use a really good magnifying like
Speaker 1: lens to read it, and you could hide them in
Speaker 1: like a walnut shell or something like that. Wow. Who
Speaker 1: knows what they're doing now? Yeah, but they are doing something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to Uh. I thought about getting a short
Speaker 1: I was a little bit inspired but then I thought,
Speaker 1: oh man, I've got so many other things to do.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do fall into that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. So that's numbers stations. If that piqued your interest,
Speaker 1: just type in numbers stations into your favorite search engine
Speaker 1: and it will lead you down the rabbit hole of
Speaker 1: shortwave radio. Did you say rabbit holes? That where I
Speaker 1: got that from? I said rabbit hole, But I didn't
Speaker 1: invent it, no, I know, but it just popped up
Speaker 1: in my head and it wasn't my own invention. And
Speaker 1: I think if you have a short wave radio, you
Speaker 1: probably tune into these anyway because you're just into that lifestyle.
Speaker 1: But I think there's a website called spy numbers where
Speaker 1: you can actually find the frequencies and just go right
Speaker 1: there and you don't want to search for them. And
Speaker 1: if you want to read this article, you can type
Speaker 1: the words numbers station in the search part How stuff
Speaker 1: works dot com. And since I said search parts, time
Speaker 1: for listener mayo. I'm gonna call this a bit on
Speaker 1: sushi um from someone in Japan. Hey, guys, and Jerry.
Speaker 1: He expelled Jerry right as well. Man, it's Jerry's day.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the sushi episode quite a bit and have
Speaker 1: something to add. As a result of modern food production
Speaker 1: following World War Two in Japan and of course the
Speaker 1: U S and elsewhere, the quality and traditional methods of
Speaker 1: making Show You Miso and other Japanese food items sadly plummeted.
Speaker 1: For example, miso can be fermented an aged a matter
Speaker 1: of weeks with the use of temperature control tanks, where
Speaker 1: traditional dark miso would age up to two years. Same
Speaker 1: goes with other fermented products like Show You Mirren. No
Speaker 1: longer at sweet rice cooking wine is practically sugar water.
Speaker 1: Speaking of sugar, modern Japanese food wouldn't exist without it.
Speaker 1: Uh Bumi boshi, the sour salty pickled plum is lousy
Speaker 1: with artificial color, sugar and refined salt. They're still good.
Speaker 1: As much as I loved I love Japanese food and culture,
Speaker 1: it's quite heartbreaking to see these centuries of traditional food
Speaker 1: processing supplanted by the Japanese version of a Twinkie chemically
Speaker 1: made in process as an alternative. There are good quality
Speaker 1: Japanese products to be had, particularly those imported from eating foods,
Speaker 1: just high quality, organic and widely distributed Is this the
Speaker 1: president of Eating Food? I don't know. Are they based
Speaker 1: in Alameda, California? It sounds like yeah, uh, that is
Speaker 1: from Lear in Alameda, California. UM. I meant to mention
Speaker 1: that you. I had the worst sushi I've had in
Speaker 1: my life the other day. I'm not gonna say it,
Speaker 1: but I'm not going back. I'll tell you off air.
Speaker 1: I don't think you wouldn't go there anyway, but um,
Speaker 1: it was. The rice was gummy and really gummy to
Speaker 1: the point where I ate it just because I was starving,
Speaker 1: and I ate it really fast, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this kind of gummy. And then afterward I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that was terrible. Yeah, did you say that to yourself?
Speaker 1: And like you smiled in there? Your whole mouth was
Speaker 1: coated and it was gross. Man, I was. I was
Speaker 1: ticked off afterward after I paid the bill, uh and
Speaker 1: complained the whole way home to Emily. I was like,
Speaker 1: I really should have said something because that was like
Speaker 1: they should have known, they shouldn't have served that rice. Well,
Speaker 1: why didn't you say something? Because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: just shoved it in my face hole and left and
Speaker 1: complained afterwards, which is that's how I do things. Usually,
Speaker 1: I don't like to make a scene. I just like
Speaker 1: to play the martyr afterwards. I've talked about that gummy
Speaker 1: sushi for two days. Yeah it was. Yeah, the fish
Speaker 1: and stuff was good, but that rice was just very subar.
Speaker 1: The should have known better. Well, tell me where it
Speaker 1: is afterwards. Uh. If you want to, um, I guess
Speaker 1: inadvertently or quietly clandestinely promote your business like Leard did
Speaker 1: with his eating foods. Yeah. Um. You can tweet to
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