WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 4 - Part 2 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:03.240 As media. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:08.240 Sponsored by Alaska Airlines. It's not sponsored by that. Betrofline 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:10.880 is not sponsored by Alaska Airlines. You just want to 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:13.640 be abundantly clear. However, my name is ed Zeitron. That 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.600 is not made up. It's on my passport and my 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:30.200 birth certificate. Welcome to bet Rofline with Day four and 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.880 our part two episode. And we're joined now by Sean 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.319 o'cane of tech Crunch, the Transportation Senior Transportation Report, I believe, Yeah, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.479 among other things, wonderful, Curissa Belle of n Gadget. How 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:42.800 are you doing, Carissa, I'm doing great. Hell yeah. And 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.199 of course David J. Roth Hi, which is what you 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:46.640 have to type in to find you on Blue Sky. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:47.839 Can't just type roth. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:49.960 No, there's another guy. There's a more famous guy with 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:50.360 my name. 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.640 No, there's just a bunch of other guys with Okay, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:53.880 you'll roth maybe, No. 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:55.040 The Van Hilling. 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:56.920 Yeah, he's not on Blue Sky. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:57.639 You don't know that. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.800 He's probably just I've looked he's on an old Yeah, 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:02.960 it's Adrian Ditman. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:10.840 Oh god, that's like a hours of kind of okay. Anyway, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.319 so Surean, what have you seen that the show that. 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.760 Mattss well, it's a weird show for me because on 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.000 the transportation side of things, for years, this was like 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.080 everybody was, see he as is a car show, See 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.640 he has a car show. All the people who ran 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.520 Detroit Autric the other American auto shows felt very fearful 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.320 that this was what was drawing all the attention right that. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:31.840 You know, I don't know if it's a commodation of 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.560 the pandemic or the US automakers not caring as much 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.520 about trying to show off that they're innovative. That's just 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:40.720 not there's nothing here on that side of things, on 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.200 the automotive side of things, so it's been a lot 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.520 of trying to find anything else within our sort of 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.040 scope of that kind of broad transportation stuff. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:51.360 So I don't know, it's been weird. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.880 Like the biggest thing that we've had keynote wise, there's 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.920 been two. There was BMW, which was just showing off. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.320 It was the most like I always separate them into 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:05.480 sort of like there's just the straightforward press conference keynote thing. 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.240 There's the mid tier one, which was BMW was definitely 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:12.079 that it was like Tim Meadows sadly making jokes about 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.400 like his dick because the whole Conceit was like we 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.840 were being shrunk to fit inside of a BMW be. 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.320 Most the woman allowed into that really didn't like it. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.240 Yeah it was yeah, I mean it was. 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:25.040 It was not explicit, but it was a year is 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.360 this well and he was joined by Ken Jong, so 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:32.320 you know at least twenty seventeen. But that was all 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.120 just about like, you know, a user interface that's years 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:36.679 away from being here. It wasn't even about like a 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.680 new vehicle or anything nice. But then there's like the 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.799 top tier like go all out and that this year 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.480 that was Delta, which ed Bastian the CEO of that. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.160 They they did it in the sphere. They filled the 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.840 room with what seems like many Delta employees. Nice so 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.040 people were like going crazy and they brought out the 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.960 whole thing started was this with Lenny Kravitz. Yes, it 0:02:57.080 --> 0:02:59.960 ended with Ley Lenny Kravitz. It started with Viola David, 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.000 who is that uh famous that yeah, what did she? 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:03.800 I know? 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.560 Lenny Kravitz played a song where her rhymes fly with fly, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.520 what if what if my old Davis dude like just 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.200 come out there and have gravitas And yes. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:13.560 Absolutely, I mean you could. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.720 That is that it is probably that is definitely what 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:17.680 they wrote on the invoice. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.000 Yeah, she rocks. I'm sure that nobody does it better. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:21.799 There's just kind of. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.720 Like somebody in our somebody in our on our team 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.560 that's been helping cover this. Made the joke that it 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.840 was like the biggest gap between talent and substance as 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.240 far as these like celebrity presentations of this week, and 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:34.160 it was definitely true. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.360 But yeah, it was wors and Wells Paul mess on 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:41.120 wine commercial. Yeah, yeah, and Wilson Wells would really fucking 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.000 hate apps anyway. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.560 He would be here at ce S though, taking a 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:52.920 check Samsung Bali. But it started with her. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:54.720 It started with her. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.520 Had you know it was It was very weird because 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.440 Ed Bashion was It felt like he was trying to 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:01.600 like justify being in the sphere and being at CEES 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.400 by talking about we're going to talk tonight about the 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.000 next one hundred years of aviation And I was like, 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:08.440 that's weird. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.880 That wasn't in the embargo press materials. But he never did. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:11.880 That's not what it was. 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.839 It was like them spending They had these like little 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.880 vignettes about how generative AI is. Gonna tell you not 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:20.560 to take the car through traffic and instead you'll take 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.800 a electric vertical takeoff and the landing thing to the airport. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:26.599 It was just it was all you think. It was 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.760 the very real vetoles that definitely exactly. Yeah. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:31.240 It was like, here are all the ways we're going 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.119 to treat the richest passengers on Delta like babies, because 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.120 that's what they want. And uh and then Tom Brady 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.320 came out and really, yeah, this is why I'm surprised 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:45.080 you didn't know about. Tom Brady came out and two incredible. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:46.640 Gifts that he gave the world. 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:51.040 One, they're launching an exclusive travel show hosted by him 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.040 that will only be available on Delta flights. It's incredible 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.080 and and we're a threat and in lieu you know. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.880 In addition to that, he wanted to offer the second gift, 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:02.520 which was his top three travel. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:07.800 Hacks be Richt Yeah and see one and two. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.279 Do you remember what the hacks were going? 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:10.839 Oh yeah, actually genuinely wondering. 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.719 Yeah, I mean you're really you're awfully close, sir. The 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.360 first one was drink water. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.159 Yeah, the second one don't eat night shades is the 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.400 third one some dietary ship. That's even crazier than that. 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.240 Yeah, I mean you guys, I mean I was imagining 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.120 that you would be pretty close to the heart heat 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:29.560 on this one. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.800 So many ideas other than water, Yeah, that's what he 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:33.280 started with. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.120 Number two was make sure you're healthy, make sure you're 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:36.880 maintaining your health. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:38.440 Okay uh. 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.440 And then number three so no, uh, number three, get 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:45.240 work done on the airplane. Use that time to be productive. 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.800 Thoughts of dog. That's really great. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:50.400 So Carissa, how's your show? 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:50.640 Beam? 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:52.799 What have you been on? Anything good? 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:55.760 So I've been on the robot beat. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:02.640 Cool. That sounds like a real thing, like, yes, don't 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:03.320 break his heart. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.920 Mostly the best ones I've seen so far are been 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.040 cute robots that don't really do anything but make you 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:11.680 kind of happy. 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.960 Uh huh. I saw one that I found heart rending. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.400 We went down Edward hungayso and I went down to 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.880 the like the Eureka Room, which is basically like like 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:25.400 Gollum lives there most of the city, and they had 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.200 it was a very cute robot dog. But it was 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.040 for people that have like dementia or that like couldn't 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.440 really have a pet, but that the experience of having 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.600 a pet would work for them. You know that would 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.640 be beneficial. And I mean that part was nice and 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:41.800 heart rending to me for reasons I don't need to, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.240 you know, put on this podcast because they're trying to 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.760 keep the light. But mostly I was just like, damn, 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.440 that's a that's a cute robot dog that you've made. 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.880 They're a surprising number of emotional support robots here at CES. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.520 Interesting is that like a long standing thing. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.320 This is my first few years ago, Like they've had 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.520 them before, They're. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:01.840 Not necessarily new there. A lot of them are from 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.000 Japanese companies, which is kind of interesting. 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:08.880 Is there a reason behind that or I mean, I. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.720 Don't know if there's like an official reason other than 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.680 I think they have, like they like weird. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.000 Stuff there, Like, I don't know, that's cool. 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.560 Our favorite one, which we actually ate, won and Gadget 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.040 Award for Best of CS, was this cute little furry 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:25.520 robot that can sit on your arm or on a 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.360 purse or something. It all does a stare at you. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.800 Okay, they mentioned this earlier and it chilled me to 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.520 the bone. I'm just thinking of the morrowind MPC like 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.360 just snapping on you, like criminal. Put that down. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.960 No, it's so cute and it's like soft, and it's 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.760 not what I like about it. It's not supposed to 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.680 do anything other than just like make you happy when 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:44.440 you look at it, and it doesn't. 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.880 So does it need to be a robot? Yeah, because 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.040 like what you're describing could work as a stuffed animal 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:52.520 to me and less like what's the robot stuff that 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.200 it does? Oh, the eyes follow you. 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:55.520 Yeah, the eyes look at you a little bit. I 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.280 mean that's pretty much it. You know, it's more of 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.240 a like souped up Ferbie. 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.040 Actually I saw a bunch of stuff that to me, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.960 like in you know, again just as more or less 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:06.920 being ignorant with it. Just I was like, yeah, that's 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.480 a Furby of some kind. Like I'm going to come 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.440 back to that. But yeah, they're still like refining the 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.120 Ferby experience for different you know, market sectors and needs. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.600 It seems like, which I guess is cool. I mean 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.080 that Ferby is probably was here. 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.120 It was Ferbie actually here, I don't think so, Yeah, 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:24.480 I don't think. So that's a disappointment. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:28.120 I can't stop thinking about iterating on the Ferbie to 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:29.360 return more shareholders. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.040 Val Right innovated. 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.840 As far as the Furby goes in non cut gems. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.520 Banging on a table in like on a zoom call, 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:39.040 but like three. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.720 People check this out. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:42.680 Yeah, he loves to say it. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.720 This is how I lose. So did you see any 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.320 weird robots though? Other than the emotional support ones? Did 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:52.280 you see anything bizarre? Yes? 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:54.400 So I was attacked by one. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:57.880 Perfect is how. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:58.199 Was that. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.800 Slightly terrifying? So there's this Chinese company called, I think 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.679 it's pronounced Unitary that they have a like the like 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.760 knock off Boston Dynamics robots. So their new one is 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.000 like a like a quadruped that's like spot you know, 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.720 it's like, yeah, those creepy dog ones that runs around 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:16.880 and they bounce around. 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:17.160 Yeah. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.600 And then they have a humanoid one, oh no, that 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.800 I think it's called the g One. And so we're 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.360 at the booth and we're taking photos of it, and 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.280 I'm standing right in front of it, and there's a 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.360 guy controlling it and he puts the controller under his 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.439 arm and mashes the joystick forward, so it runs at 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.920 me full speed. Oh my god, I got sixty pound 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.520 Jesus probably four foot doll robot and just and he 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.320 didn't really realize what was happening at first, So there 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.520 was probably about four seconds where it. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.920 Was just like, fully, yes, God, what the hell? 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.880 I know? But I can't even blame the robot because 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.640 it was user error from this guy. But the funniest 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.920 part was was that the conversation that happened immediately after 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.320 this implied that this was not the first time that 0:09:58.440 --> 0:09:59.040 it happened. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.720 Come on, man, that feels like a skill issue visa 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.959 Vie the joystick though, Like you just need to stow 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.280 that shit in a different way. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:11.160 Well maybe you're trying, but all right, things are. 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:16.120 Feel like in the four seconds when the robot was yeah, like. 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:17.720 Like a sixty pound piece of metal knee capping you. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.400 Yeah, Like does that hit you? 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:19.840 Yes? 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.960 Oh no, it made full contact with me. I thought 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.440 it was like chasing you, and you were kind of like, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:24.040 turn this off. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:29.719 Vegas is a personal liability haven. There are like lawyers everywhere. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.960 You can call one. Now that company is dust. 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.640 I know, we're just we're really disappointed that we somehow 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:36.800 failed to get to somebody. I was actually taking photos 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:38.840 at the time, but I was so shocked by what 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:40.280 happened I did not take photos of it. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.480 Actually, I mean, you were being assaulted by a robot. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:48.280 That is crazy and happened multiple times. Any good ones 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:53.880 like positives we're really trying the little steering guy, Yeah, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:54.439 the steering one. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:55.920 That's yeah, it. 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.640 Would never hurt you like that robot couldn't even chase 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.400 you probably, No, just look could you? 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.960 It just looks at you and is you know, gives 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.439 you a little shot of serotonin. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.320 Yeah, I don't get that. I don't have that in me. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.000 So anything else, like is it just robotics for you've 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.760 been covering on this trip? No. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.280 I also I went to Linda Akarino's keynote. 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.400 Oh wow, yeah, so I hey, the power is crazy. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:21.040 She I have to like watch that tape just as 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.040 a it's a longtime fan of her work. Was she electric? 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:28.360 Was the vibe in the room electric? Have you ever 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.720 seen her speak up a little bit? And it looks well, 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:35.439 I mean whatever, strangely rendered like it just doesn't it's 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:37.600 life like, So credit where it's due. 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.960 But we were talking about this, you know, for somebody 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:45.000 who was a media executive for a long time, she's 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.840 very at least I mean, and I never saw her 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.280 speak in her prior role, but you know, when she's 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.960 speaking her capacity as x CEO, she just you know, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.640 it kind of sounds like she's speaking in sort of 0:11:56.679 --> 0:11:59.960 like soundbites, but they don't make sense together. Yeah, you know, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:02.120 like she's memorized like these three word things that she's 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:02.959 supposed to say. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:06.240 But someone tucked a joystick under their arm does have 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.760 a like the bit that I always have as my 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.520 comparison is like those like soundboards that they used to 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.800 have online where it would just be like different, like 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.440 Arnold Schwarzenegger saying different lines from Kindergarten Cop and you 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.160 push a button then he goes no. When you push 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:22.080 another one and he goes, how are you? And like, 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.240 but that's like sort of she just feels like she's 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.200 got the presets and then someone's just back there going 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:28.520 to town and whatever. 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.439 I can actually expect running a pe off them. I 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.400 can tell you she is perfectly media trained. The problem 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.960 is that media training is very rarely prepared for a 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:39.559 person who has nothing else. You usually, I ideally your 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:40.120 training so. 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.680 They can use that magic inside them, they can bring 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:43.679 out the personality. 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:48.120 The problem is I don't know whether Linda has one, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.960 and she does. She does everything. She even does the 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.520 accordion the you meant to gesture and bring them in 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:56.280 and then gesture, which is meant to not be literally 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:58.600 doing these movements of your hands like out and then 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:04.320 in instead the whole fucking time. And also she sounds 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.280 like she's prepared the sound exactly. But you're meant to 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.520 fill those in, Linda, you meant to have other thoughts 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.080 that connect these thoughts together, not just be like exes 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.000 where it happens and that's what's online. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.680 So that's what you're saying, then, is it was sort 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.439 of like similar to the experience of her feed, Yes, 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:25.120 which sounds like it would be incredibly jarring to witness life. 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.240 I mean it was lots of you know, uh, the 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:35.960 legacy media is basically fan fiction for something like I was. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.040 Even even just trying to get like a usable quote 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.679 is very difficult because it just when you look at 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:42.880 it and in front of you, like the words together 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:43.560 don't make sense. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.800 It's fantastic spinning a big wheel the legacy media. 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.959 Yeah, it's like, uh, oh, this was adjective, this could 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:51.480 be anything. 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:53.720 Well, no, you say that, but she talked about like 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.040 the grooming gangs in the UK, So it kind of 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.880 was that. It kind of actually she did. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:00.720 Yeah, I kind of tuned out that part. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.000 I would have too. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:03.880 At that end, but I think she just uses like 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.679 whatever Elon Musk is tweeting about that day as kind 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:07.400 of like inspiration. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.400 Yeah, X has been grateful the fourteen were Oh maybe 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.520 not if No, she she has managed to stay, like 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:18.600 for now, somewhat pure. But it is interesting that the 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.720 CS thing she started to just crack and she's letting 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.640 the Elon Musk bits through. And I think by this, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.440 like this time next year, she'll either have left or 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.720 been fired and blamed for everything as the money runs 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:31.320 out of the X. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.360 The funny thing was that this keynote room was at 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.760 best half full, and like half of the people were asleep, 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:41.560 but then the other. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:44.200 Time to find a seat here, so the other half were. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.240 Really into it. People were when she started talking about 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.960 the grooming gangs, people were cheering, Yeah, like wow. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:54.000 So what were how many people should there have been 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.040 in that room? I don't know the space. 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.120 It was one of those larger ballrooms in the Venetians, 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.600 so it's definitely not you know, one of like the 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.680 mega kenote size rooms. I really couldn't fine, but there's 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:10.040 are of like two sections, like the front half was 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.480 pretty full, but like there's an entire back half that 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:13.800 was completely empty. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.640 It's the idea of her getting up there and like 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:19.280 free associating about grooming gangs in the UK to sixty 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.080 people feel like this has been the whole, This is 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.000 the actual I mean, like you know, cards on the table. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.480 I don't really like Linda Ya Karino's work that much. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.440 I was just I was doing a bit. But I 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.440 do think that there's something about her as like as 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.040 a character and as a performance that I found really fascinating, 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.760 just because she has to get up there and like 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.920 abase herself on Elon's behalf and in Elon's words, that 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.880 like that's the actual gig, you know, and so the 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:51.080 idea of seeing that happening to it, it's like it's 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.480 weird enough, you know, to every now and then. I 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.280 don't really look at Twitter much anymore, but people will 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:57.800 sometimes send me when she says like a weird reply, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.560 like the one where she just said hot dog, you know, 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:02.400 like I got that a bunch of times. I'm really 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.920 glad that I did. It's cool that that's my brand 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.800 that people are like, you'd probably like this bit of 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.760 check out this, But the idea of there being like 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.880 a real person doing that in a room feels like 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.920 I would have felt I would have had a hard 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.400 time I think watching it, like, I feel like I 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.040 would have felt embarrassed for her. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.520 I've been sharing the whole time. 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.600 Yeah, was there a point because she was being interviewed, right, 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.600 It wasn't just was there like a point to the interview? 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.120 Like what were they trying to achieve? Yeah? 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:30.680 So much. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:31.840 It's a good question. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:36.560 So they started off, you know, talking about Mark Zuckerberg 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.600 and him saying that he wants to you know, do 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.160 community notes on Facebook, and of course she was, you know, 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.280 a very big fan of that. She had like this 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.320 one very obviously cand line that was, you know, Mark Metow, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.400 welcome to the party. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.720 Okay, that's good though, you got to have a couple 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.840 of but some real bangers written ahead of time that, 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.880 you know, I imagine I got a huge pop. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:58.000 In the room. 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:02.840 Everybody was like, yes, go off, queen. I was silent, Yeah, weird. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.520 I'd love to be the guys that Yeah, yeah, welcome 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:09.040 to the party. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:09.320 Pal. 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:15.720 I paid two hundred bucks a month for groc Yeah, 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.280 anyone check out the logo of Grok by the way, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.160 I feel like someone brought this up before, but the 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.600 logo of Grok is insane. I looked I need to 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.399 I now realize how impractical it's going to be to 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.520 show every visual medium. I'm just going to show this 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.960 to David because I'll describe it. It's like an x I. 0:17:32.600 --> 0:17:35.639 Like, Oh, it's it's the x AI logo, isn't it 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.600 right that? Yeah, it's the logo for his artificial intelligence company. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.000 Yeah, it looks like a generative AI defect. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.520 It's like you're talking about the one with the cat. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:52.400 No, no, I'm saying that it's just the fucking that's 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:53.640 my phone background, David. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.440 Right, Sorry, it's my beautiful boy pingus like that's a 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.240 cat rock fingus. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:17:59.240 Jesus Christ. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.240 So mad feeling all our best ideas. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.840 I'm not an uncle with three horrible sons that each 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:07.719 have a full dealership. Jesus Christ. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.080 So I haven't seen as much about like who's speaking here? 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.880 I know? Yeah, that like Yakaren, who I was aware 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.520 of because again, like people in my life like to 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.800 tell me when she does things. But the other stuff 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.879 is that like again as a you know, nube to 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.080 the cees, experience, it doesn't seem like people are here 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:29.679 to well, they're here to like do deals and like 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.840 have or be pursued by robots. Then there's not like 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.080 it doesn't feel like there's a thing where people are 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:39.040 here to like watch people talk. Is that a part 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:41.639 of the culture that, like his speech is usually a 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:42.480 big deal here? 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.879 Yeah, I mean, yeah, okay, historically, I mean there's a 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.159 really good one. I mean, if I could genuinely recommend one, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.480 there's one from two thousand and nine that you should 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.960 watch where Tom Hanks came out to do some presentation 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.760 on behalf of Sony because this is when he was 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:00.000 doing the Angels and Demons Da Vinci Code fr Oh yeah, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.399 So it was basically like written into his contract like 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.000 come to CDs and cs and like talk about these 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.760 new ar glasses that clearly materialized in the last decade. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.040 That was the first time anybody saw them before they 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:12.040 became ubiquitous. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.080 Yeah, And it's just the best example of like someone 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.119 who was really willing to take the piss out of 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.520 the whole experience and not like Tim Meadows, like the 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.159 other day at the BMW thing was like sort of 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.399 doing it, but in like the lightest touchway like making 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.520 fun of like all these German automotive executives around him, 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.240 but like you know, within generous reason. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:32.360 Tom Hanks is. 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:36.160 Like like you could feel them sort of like slipping 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:37.600 the hook around his neck to get him. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:41.359 Off the stage. Nice. So it's it's definitely part of it. 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.000 I haven't witnessed any of the famous person part of 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.280 it because I know that's apparently there's like a Williams here. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:51.880 William william I wouldn't be surprised. He's here like pretty 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.679 much every year, Yeah, with some new bad products, some 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.480 new scam. Yeah, there's the first few nights. There's always 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:02.040 some big event. It's you know, somebody. Different companies get 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.399 to get it every year. The last time I was 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.920 here twenty twenty, one of the big ones was Mercedes 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:09.040 Benz did a big one of the big keynotes and 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:11.639 they rolled out some concept car that was sort of 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.400 based on Avatar, and so the concept car had these 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.800 like scales that rose up and stuff, and then James 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:19.960 Cameron came out and was like, here's a still from 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:20.760 Avatar too. 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:23.000 Yeah, I'm still making it. 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:25.679 It's coming, and like you know, it was whatever that 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:27.719 was when people were still kind of unsure about that happening, 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.720 but so yeah, it's it's a part of the culture, Okay. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.800 It's a thing for people to do after they've been 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:34.600 like suffering on the show floor all day, is like 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:37.040 go sit in an arena and watch Michael Bay talk 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:38.280 about Samsung display. 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.320 He was gonna say, like I would have by the 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.719 end of today, Like I would sit pretty much anywhere 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:43.760 and watch pretty much anyone to. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:45.360 Talk about take too much any of the not off 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:45.680 in the back. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.600 Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure that. Yeah, Like if I 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.920 could get in there and like charge my phone, I'd 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.560 be like, just not the grooming gang stuff. It's bringing 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.359 the mood down in the room, but the rest of it. 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:57.800 I got ten minutes before this thing's full. I just 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.680 let me sit. Did you like anything at the show, Caissa, 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:02.440 Anything good? 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.720 Anything like truly joyous, like anything, put a big smile 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.000 on your face. Anything. I'm really trying with everyone. 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:13.159 So we saw a cane for people who are blind 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.800 that has AI in it, and it was actually like 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:19.480 an We thought it was an interesting use of AI 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:20.840 and chatchupt. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:21.240 How did it use it? 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.760 So it has a camera on it and a little speaker, 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.600 so as you're walking around, it can tell you like 0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:31.520 when it sees an obstacle like help you, like like oh, 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:34.439 there's a stare ahead of you, or there's, you know, 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:35.159 a lamp post. 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:37.440 This sounds really good into the hallucinations. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.800 But what we liked about it was that it's still cane, 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:42.720 so like, even if the AI stuff doesn't work, it's 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:45.080 not like, you know, the person is stranded and has 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.360 no way to sure. But if you're around nation. 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:51.800 I know, it sounds like it'd actually be useful, especially 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.199 because I assume that no one would trust it fully. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:56.920 I mean the person who made it, who runs the 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:58.320 company is has been blind. 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:01.240 Since that's essentially a genuinely like sorry, that's not a 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:03.720 good thing, just to be clear, but it's they have 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:05.920 the experience to make a product that would be good. 0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:07.040 They would go for awless. 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.879 Yeah, the accessibility tech was the stuff today that it 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:12.520 was like the first thing that I saw that. Like, again, 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:15.080 I'm a soft touch, so I'm like impressed by like 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.320 a cool TV. There's a part of me that's like, damn, 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:18.880 you got a lot of colors on that thing. 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:20.280 Nice nailed it. 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.600 But the yeah, there was some of the I think 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.399 if it's the thing that I'm talking about. There's like 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:26.800 two of them right next to each other on the 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.359 Eureka floor, the smart can or maybe there's more of 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.480 them here, but I did see there was one that 0:22:31.600 --> 0:22:33.479 did have like the AI bells and whistles, and then 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:35.440 there was one of them which I remember Edward and 0:22:35.480 --> 0:22:37.960 I both being struck by that was like, you don't 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:39.680 have to have the Internet to use this, Like it 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:42.320 was like clearly designed for like people that were like 0:22:42.840 --> 0:22:46.240 older and wanted a simpler experience of it without any 0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.120 of that stuff. But in both of those cases, there's 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.600 you know, so much of For me walking around on 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:56.720 the floor was like seeing these technologies that could potentially 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:03.200 deliver solutions applied weirdly to non problems in really overdetermined ways. 0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:04.480 And in this case, it's sort of like, oh, well, 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:06.239 this would actually help somebody have a better life. That's 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.240 kind of a cool thing to do with technology. 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:11.720 Yeah, But also, how does it connect to the Internet. 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.040 I'm now chat GPT requires an Internet connection? Do you 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.000 have to have Wi Fi for it? Does it connect 0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:17.480 to your phone? 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.600 That is a good question. I didn't write her a 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:22.040 piece about it. 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.040 Sorry, I don't know not your problem. I would be 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.520 looking at the piece later. But also that's the thing. 0:23:27.040 --> 0:23:28.919 Every time you hear as a listener, if you hear 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:31.879 chat GPT, remember this thing needs the internet. These do 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.200 not have on device models, which means that your cane 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.160 is just like not telling you where things are. Every 0:23:38.200 --> 0:23:40.280 time I try and avoid the diplope be open. 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:42.800 So this is going to probably piss you off. But 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:47.600 they have two different kind of models. So one is 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:51.200 that you it's a subscription for the chat GPT functionality. 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.119 Yeah that's the good stuff. 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.119 Yeah that's or you can buy the more expensive one 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:56.720 which comes with. 0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:00.399 It for the lifetime subscription. See I think is that 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.480 stuff does actually cost money, so they do have to 0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:05.440 do something. But it's also like, oh man, granddad, sorry, 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:08.600 life's being rough right now. Can't afford the cane. You're 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.480 just gonna have to work out for yourself. You're gonna 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.680 have to turn the subscription off. Yes, sorry, grand dad. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.600 We don't have the pro subscription. It's only going to 0:24:14.640 --> 0:24:17.159 tell you some objects, although again it does have we 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:18.320 don't wave for the car out on. 0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:19.959 If you turn the subscription off, it's like, well, your 0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:21.879 cane's going to be a lot quieter this month. It's 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.240 not like it's going to turn into like an oblong 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.399 cylinder of plastic, which it was before, and now it's 0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:27.240 just not going to talk to you. 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:32.080 Give them a year that make the subscription. They make it, 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:33.720 they might get load bearing, I guess. 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:35.879 Yeah, the subscription stuff is really sinister to me. 0:24:35.960 --> 0:24:42.640 It's everything now. So Sean, you, how do you feel 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.040 about Delta though? What ad Dela do differently what it 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:47.280 was the Delta thing? We're talking about useful companies. I 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:51.000 assume Delta wouldn't buy the sphere out to just shovel 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:54.280 a bunch of operating system stuff, right, No, it's pretty 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.400 much a lot of that. Oh it really. 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.680 I mean, like I said, it was the the build 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:02.960 up that Ed Bashian did at the beginning of like 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.800 this is the next one hundred years, and it was 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:08.120 it almost made. 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:11.119 Me want there to be more bullshit, like insane stuff. 0:25:11.280 --> 0:25:12.919 Yeah, and it's weird because, like I haven't been here 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:14.480 since twenty twenty and they were a big part of 0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:17.120 twenty twenty show. I feel like I saw more from 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.119 them then because at that point they were still working on, 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.119 you know, adding a bunch more features to the screen. 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:29.120 Experience in like you know, in the seatback experience, they 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.320 were working on this thing, you know, sort of a 0:25:32.359 --> 0:25:35.040 privacy nightmare kind of thing, but an idea at least 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.400 that was interesting to think about of like a screen 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:43.560 when you go into the terminal that it has. There 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.720 have been these kind of TVs at ces in the 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:48.920 past where you'll have sort of a screen display that 0:25:49.000 --> 0:25:51.560 can split what it's showing you depending on where you're 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.000 looking at it from, so theoretically multiple people could see 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:55.600 multiple different things on the same screen. 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:57.560 They pair that with facial recognition. 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:00.920 You would theoretically walk into the terminal, You and I 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:02.600 could stand next to each other, we could each get 0:26:02.600 --> 0:26:05.159 personal information about our flights and where we're going and 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:07.720 all that kind of stuff. At least that was like 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:12.600 we're working on this tech and seeing this year it 0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.240 was it was very like, you know, it's all of 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:18.879 course about generative AI, and it really was just a 0:26:19.000 --> 0:26:21.920 really weak showing of what they think that can do 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:26.600 because the experience they showed off and yet it's it's like. 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:29.520 It's some of that same stuff. 0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:31.480 It's really the best way I can desgard, But is 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.440 it's treating these people who like a baby it's like, 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:37.800 assuming you are like a high class Delta sky Miles 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:40.920 person and you can't be bothered to get to the 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.360 airport on time, you can't be bothered to you can't 0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.480 be bothered to. It was like it'll tell you which 0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.400 gate is, which gate your flight is at, and where 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.760 that is, as if you can't look at the gate 0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:55.159 number and like count down, you know, like when you 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:56.919 the airports are built pretty. 0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.200 Well, find out where my flight is. 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:01.760 Yeah, like I know, I make gate seventeen. I see 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:04.680 gate three. Oh, look the numbers go to seventeen. That way, 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:07.200 I really do not need Generative AI to tell me that. 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:11.479 And it was just, you know, the other weird thing 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.880 about it was they're clearly trying to, like so many 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:20.600 tech companies, subsume all of your experience into Delta, So 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.920 it's like you'll be flying there and then you'll be 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.639 able to plan out your trip while you're in mid 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.000 air on your screen and Delta will help you book 0:27:31.040 --> 0:27:34.280 your reservations at all of these places. And it's just 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.919 like there's no room in the vision that they're painting 0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.480 for you to have any part of your experience outside 0:27:40.520 --> 0:27:41.200 of the Delta. 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.800 So none of this seems to make the flight beta no, 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:46.919 and that's I mean, that's the thing that really bums 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:47.200 me out. 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.160 Has bummed me out a lot about CES this year, 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.800 not just a delta, but for so much of it, 0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:55.840 Like nothing is about making a lot of the little 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:56.440 stuff better. 0:27:56.680 --> 0:27:58.240 Yeah, even the convention itself. 0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.800 Like it's just there's so much about being here, like 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:03.200 the Vegas is built up all of this extra stuff 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:04.919 to makes it, yes, even bigger. There's this whole new 0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:06.720 hall that wasn't here when I was here five years ago, 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.639 and it's still not enough to like contain the people. 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.840 Like I went to get lunch today at like a 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:16.520 relatively off peak lunch time. Yeah, there's not enough seats 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.920 for people Like I'm going to sit at this one 0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.440 counter that I see available, and then I'm told that 0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:23.240 it's part of some sort of display that I can't 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.480 sit at because I don't belong to those people. So 0:28:25.560 --> 0:28:27.600 it's like it's like, Okay, I'm gonna go sit on 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.639 the floor, which like I've done plenty of times in 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:31.520 the many years I've come here, and like eat my lunch. 0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.560 But it's just like no one's working on any solution 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.920 for the dumb stuff like that or even the weird 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.680 thing is like not even using that as an opportunity 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:44.480 to present some of the technologies that are being promised, 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.600 is like, oh, wouldn't it be. It's just like it's 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:51.280 the most pedestrian mall ass experience like here, and it's 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.480 just you know, you can just feel how no one's heart, 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:53.840 isn't it. 0:28:54.000 --> 0:28:55.360 That's what I was thinking about when you were talking 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.160 about the idea of like the full you know, stem 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.320 to stern delta travel experience, is that like I flew 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.560 Delta out here. I had a perfectly fine flight, but 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.640 like you're still going through an airport, Like it's still 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.080 the sort of thing where it's like I was at 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.800 JFK on a security line that took forty five minutes 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.560 to get me through, and so there's, you know, some 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:15.560 of that's my faults. I don't I'm pre or whatever, 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:17.880 I'm not rich enough to have whatever the I mean, 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:19.960 like Tom Brady does not have to go through security 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.240 at least flying private, or if he just you know, 0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.840 signs the football for somebody and like gets sent through. 0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:30.320 But in all those instances, it's like these sort of 0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:34.360 weird pie in the sky solutions to things that do 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.640 not necessarily scan to me as problems, like things that 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:41.320 are basically like minor activations of agency, like looking up 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:43.280 at the board and like finding the number of my 0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.760 flight and then being like what gait is it? Like 0:29:45.960 --> 0:29:49.160 I don't necessarily need that solved. If you could find 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.480 a way to make it less unpleasant to get to 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.920 or go through JFK, like that would be sick and 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:56.920 yet like that's harder. This is the thing we keep 0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:58.720 coming back to in these conversations, is that like that's 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.640 a systemic, like structural that would require like state level action, 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.040 whereas here they're sort of like, with the power of 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:08.040 generative AI, you are going to be able to read 0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:13.720 words on a screen. I'll fly through their leave you 0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:14.200 the gentleman. 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.200 Enough about mister Kravitz. We have to finish up the episode, Sean, 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:19.640 where can people find you? Well, this block of the episode, 0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:21.920 I mean where can people find you? I'm on blue 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:24.560 Sky that's the best place. Okay. Do you want to 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:28.200 say where Sean o'can do? BEISKI? How do you say that? 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.840 I don't know, Nan, and you'll find me. Okay, where 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:34.120 do you work? I work at Techne for a year 0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:36.760 it's amazing, lovely Chrissa. Where can people find you? 0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.200 They can find me on Blue Sky, still on threads 0:30:40.200 --> 0:30:44.120 for now, Carissa b on both of them, and and 0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:45.240 Gatget wonderful. 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.640 David Defector dot com is the website and the distractions 0:30:49.680 --> 0:30:50.480 the podcast. 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.240 I do for them. You can find me off to 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.120 the ad break listen download by it. It's been like 0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:57.680 hours of this stuff. Now I'm not giving you anything special, 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.760 and we're back. We've got Sean Okine, of course from 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.080 tech Crunch. We've got Carrissa Bell from Engadget, and David J. 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.920 Roth of Defacta and we're CHRISA said something very important 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.120 just before we broke, and that is that Faraday Future here, 0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:26.320 my favorite not quite car company. They love to be 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.960 on fire, don't they, folks. So what did you hear? 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:32.040 Faraday Future? I must hear. 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.080 So they were here pitching their their latest kind of 0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.560 pivot strategy shift whatever you want to call it, okay, 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:44.840 which is fx A new a new subsidiary of Faraday 0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.680 Future that will sell cheap evs and their plan is 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:53.640 to source parts from China, bring them here, make them 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.240 look nice on the inside, and sell them for probably 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.760 like between twenty to fifty thousand dollars. 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.960 So perhaps you can give some history about how well 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.000 Faraday Future is done selling cars. 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:05.760 Yeah, all of you guys are making faces that I'm 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:06.240 hearing that. 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.719 Illuminate how great they are. 0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:15.320 They have to date have sold fifteen or sixteen f 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:18.240 F nine one, which I believe thou fifteen or six 0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.360 Now fifteen or sixteen six that's more manageable. So good 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.080 of the only car that they've ever managed to actually sell, 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.479 that f F nine one. Yeah, they're making about one 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:30.000 a month, is what? 0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:32.640 And if I sell, you mean. 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.760 Essentially leased to these people and in some in some 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.959 cases actually strike contracts with them that basically reaburse them 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:41.240 for the cost of the sale. 0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.440 Of the car. How long has this company been around 0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.640 twenty fourteen? That's so good. You're eleven years old. 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.360 Do they advertise themselves as a small batch automotive? 0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:54.280 No, they should asset light. Yeah. So the new plan 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:55.800 is to sell a cheapest, shitty a. 0:32:55.880 --> 0:33:00.080 Car, a cheaper minivan specifically. 0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:05.440 Right, so a smaller total addressable market this company. 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:08.880 Listen, I actually don't they. We were just talking about Mike. 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:11.000 They refused to let me come see it because they 0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:11.600 didn't answer. 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:15.200 Me a manu forrid like seven different very aggressive stories 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:15.680 about them. 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.960 I don't know what they well, yeah, we don't have 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.960 time for all that. But my assumption is this van 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:23.720 is a thing that when they did still have some money, 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:25.560 because they don't really have a lot of money right now, 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:27.560 but when they did have some money, they're one of 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:31.120 their plans was to make this type of vehicle in China. 0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:34.480 So my assumption would be that this is one of 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:36.840 the prototypes that they developed back then that's just been 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.160 sitting in China collecting dust, and now they've been able 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:41.800 to put some new veneer on it. The problem with 0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:45.600 this company is they well, a problem with this company 0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.720 is that they need money because they've run out of 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:52.400 the money from the founder. The founder basically created what 0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.040 was at one point sort of like a combination of 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.920 Netflix and Apple and China. It had grown to like 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.240 ten billion or more invaluation, and then it ultimately crashed 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:04.720 because he just over leveraged everything. I believe the term 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:06.400 that the New York Times used at one point was 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.800 debt bombs, and those debt bombs started going off, and 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.200 he exiled himself to the US in twenty seventeen and 0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:15.400 has been here ever since, running the company. But the 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.319 point is they don't have any money left, and they've 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.799 been trying to raise it from people related to him 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.840 and close to his orbit, and so the idea of 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.600 selling a two hundred thousand dollars car to people that 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.360 clearly don't really necessarily want to buy it. 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.920 At scale is unpalatable. 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.440 So they are going after this idea of making a 0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:37.760 low cost card because they think it's a more investable business. 0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.080 Carrissa, when we say lower cost, I didn't realize it 0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:42.960 was two hundred thousand dollars fed. 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:45.960 That's the regular is. I mean, I think it's a 0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:49.120 sliding scale. To be fair to them, exist and you 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:50.080 won't never existing. 0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:51.680 I won't hear me say this often. To be fair 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:51.960 to them. 0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.080 The goal with that one was to always compete with 0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:57.680 like the Maybacks and Bugattis of the world. 0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:01.799 So it's not like extremely well engineered caused the well 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:04.320 known for the design and their execution on set design. 0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:08.760 Eventually yeah, well, eventually it's kind of the whole Faraday 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.680 Future yeah thing. Yeah. So how much is the vent, 0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:13.840 like the cheap van that they're. 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:18.719 Doing unclear, Probably around fifty thousand dollars based on what 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:21.960 they said. I'll just see the prototypes we saw. You 0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:23.960 said that maybe these have been sitting around for them. 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:25.759 Maybe that's true that these were rough. 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.000 I mean I believe that to define. 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.880 So there was two different ones. One had sort of 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.120 the morphinished interior where they were trying to show off, 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:36.560 you know how they were kind of going to make 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.640 a minivan but you know for grown ups and fancy. Right, 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:44.879 had no door handles. Okay, Our friend John said, of course, 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:47.120 of course it will have door handles the real one, 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:49.320 which is always great when they have to tell you. 0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:50.600 You know. 0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:52.920 So I had some you know, white leather captain seats 0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.120 that had you know, massage functions, and you know it 0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:57.360 was it was okay, no door handles, no door handles, 0:35:58.440 --> 0:35:59.560 completely like wrapped in that. 0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.840 Did they have to like airlift you into from the 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:03.800 top or how did you get in? 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.600 I mean the doors opened, they just didn't have they 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.920 don't clear how. Yeah, and then there was the one 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:16.600 that we could actually ride in, which was just covered 0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.000 in fabric that was held together by binder clips, like 0:36:19.080 --> 0:36:24.040 the entire interior literally binder clips. Show They said it 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.560 was a plug in hybrid I got to drive it 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:29.120 around it. Honestly, it could have been a toyo to 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:30.600 Sienna covered in fabric for all. 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.840 I know, Like it did it feel like an electric vehicle? 0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.920 Like I mean it felt like yeah kind of. 0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:40.960 Yeah. I just loved the idea that they would this 0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.640 company sounds like they would actually do the toyo to 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:44.400 see anything. 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:49.480 So yeah, I mean, I don't know, I'm not embarrassing, 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.960 but it could have though been for like especially I'm 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.880 not an automotive journal so it was very funny to 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.520 me that they invited me to do this. Max did 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.480 tell me I was the first lady to drive that 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:03.480 particular vehicle, so. 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.600 That's an amazing honor. Yeah, thanks for knowing that, like 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.520 really doing the like not having door handles thing is incredible. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.719 Like again, from being completely outside of this story, like 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.760 this company rocks to me, like everything that you've described 0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.680 where they're just sort of like and this one it's 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.800 like got a tarp on the inside of it, like 0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.520 you're just getting into whatever Kurt Russell's car from Death 0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:25.040 Proof to be like just take it for a spin, 0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.520 take it around a lot, like temp wild thing. Why 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.160 would you want somebody to drive a car that looks 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:32.360 that messed up on the inside. 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.200 I mean, maybe Sean can speak to this, like you 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.600 don't expect a prototype vehicle to necessarly be finished and 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:39.160 have held together. 0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:40.200 Find Eclipse. 0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:42.239 But what was also telling to me was that the 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.040 one press image they gave us was so low rests 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.600 and it showed them it was like these two vans 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.320 like in a field, like at a great distance. 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.080 And also the vans are covered in like camouflage like wrap, 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.440 but which is you know that's a traditional automotive thing, 0:37:58.480 --> 0:37:59.080 but set. 0:37:58.960 --> 0:37:59.600 In this field. 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.160 Because I saw this image earlier today, it just looks 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.600 like cow cars because it's like, you know, blocky black 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:08.240 and white, but in the field, in this weird setting 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.040 that you don't normally see like a prototype car. 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.719 And it was like my brain just like cows just. 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:14.680 Love the idea of being just like a deep fried 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.560 jpeg like five K sending that up to the depressed 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:20.600 mean like, so don't you could use this as like 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.719 your avatar on social media. Do not put it on 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:23.280 your website. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:24.719 This will not render on blue. 0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:25.880 It's got to be pointless. 0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:28.880 Tell you like again, to be fair to them, they 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.640 do not have many employees left it's basically most of 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.359 the people who are here on different types of work, 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:36.919 vices that staff the company. 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.719 Everybody purloughed or laid off pretty much. 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:41.400 Is there like an end gameless? The idea there that 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.640 like whatever technology they have would be purchased by some 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.800 other company. Is there like or what happens? 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.279 I think the founder is singular in his vision of 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.000 wanting to say that. I mean, from what I've heard, 0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:55.319 from the conversations I've had with people who have worked 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:58.840 at this company over many years, this this man is 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.440 I'll say two things and then I'll try not to 0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.640 go too long on it. One is that he since 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:08.520 he self exiled himself from China to hear, the thinking is, 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.279 he wants to build up a successful business that would 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:13.920 let him go back into China without just being snatched 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:17.480 and thrown into avoid upon landing because that's like he 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:20.000 was put on a debtor blacklist. He is is kind 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:22.800 of I mean, he he left the company with like 0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:24.680 billions of dollars owed by himself. 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:27.520 One of the consequences of a debt to blacklist you 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:31.239 could just probably be disappeared by the state. So can 0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.560 you not leave China? Is that one of it on paper. 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.279 The limitations are like you can't buy train tickets, or 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.719 you can't you know, like you have like actual economic 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.600 restrictions placed some of your assets or frozen and things 0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.520 like that. But like the realistic thing, given the scale 0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:47.279 of the collapse of his business there is that he 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:50.640 would probably be you know, hidden in. 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:53.600 A corner somewhere, right, Yeah, in a place. But having 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:56.000 lots of money would allow him to avoid that. I think. 0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.400 I think in his mind he thinks that if I mean, 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:01.840 he's he's it's too much to get into. But he 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.880 is a very specific person when it comes to believing 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.239 in the value of you know, sort of billionaire entrepreneurs. 0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.520 So I think he thinks that that has enough cachet 0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:13.719 that it will other than the having the billion, Yeah, 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:18.680 that seems to be the problem. Yeah, so I will 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.719 I will say this. I if I see a car, 0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:24.600 I expect the bits to be on like the like 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.400 the like. I think I think that like that feels 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.720 like a reasonable thing. Did they react to the falling 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.560 apart this of this vehicle that allegedly would buy no, 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:36.799 I mean sick so good. 0:40:36.960 --> 0:40:38.960 It's a fairly common thing to show up with a 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:44.719 prototype that's like seats half baked. It's ces We've seen 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.520 some weird stuff over the years, especially from these startups. 0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.800 I think there's gradations of how complete it is or 0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.200 how much polish you want to put on it. I 0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.359 will say I think that this company's probably coming from 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.640 the experiences they've had with the more expensive car, which 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:04.600 is actually quite technologically accomplished four seven years ago when 0:41:04.640 --> 0:41:07.080 they developed it, and they got away with a lot 0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:12.200 of bad finish, you know, sort of rough edge demos 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:16.120 at cees in years prior, because people would forget about 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.480 that because they jam on the pedal on this thing 0:41:18.600 --> 0:41:20.719 and it would I mean, it's fast as hell. Like 0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:23.840 the more expensive car that they've built is like incredible 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:28.800 because or incredibly capable because they hired when he started 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:31.879 this company, they had all this money that he had 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.840 and they just overspent so much. I mean, so they 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.440 they went from being founded in twenty fourteen to fifteen 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:42.520 hundred people by twenty sixteen, and they did that by 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:44.800 basically paying fifty to one hundred percent more than the 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.920 going right for like every position inside the company. And 0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:50.440 so they attracted all this talent from Tesla, Apple, all 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.400 these other companies but they were very secretive about what 0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.520 they were doing because they're kind of trying to hide 0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:59.320 who was backing it. And this combination of like secrecy 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.479 and obvious signs of money at one point had people 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.200 believing that this was a front for Apple's secretive project, 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.239 the car project. Yeah, and so like that's how like 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:11.439 crazy the mania was getting around, Like what that's scam. 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.759 But so the point of the reason I say that 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.480 is like when the people who developed to the car 0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:20.000 included like the team that made the GM EV one, 0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:21.919 which is like thought of as like the first real 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.279 mass market EV in the US, so like they had 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.720 like real engineering behind it. And when they were demoing 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.719 that car years ago here, people were like kind of 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:31.040 falling in love it because they were like, yeah, this 0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:33.359 company is kind of crazy and like it doesn't really 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:35.040 look like they're anywhere near ready to build these things. 0:42:35.080 --> 0:42:36.920 But these things are fast as hell and fun and 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:39.520 it's a fun experience and for a CEES experience like 0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.239 that just doesn't involve getting attacked by robots in the 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:44.920 mood like, oh yeah, that was one of my better experiences. 0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:46.480 You know, when I went zero to sixty in like 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:47.200 one second. 0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.840 Do you not think that some of this is a 0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:53.799 reflection of how the tech presses looked tech though, because sure, 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:57.399 because I feel like thanks to the way you law 0:42:57.480 --> 0:42:59.120 musk was covered, there were a lot of companies that 0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:00.600 kind of get away with this shit. 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:02.840 Well they've gotten away with it in the sense that 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.560 they were one of the companies that did one of 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.520 these spack mergers and raised another billion dollars. So just 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:12.200 define a s back merger for the listeners, a special 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:15.840 purpose acquisition company. There's kind of a long history of 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:19.160 reverse mergers like this on the public markets. But essentially, 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.040 if you are an investor or some sort of business type, 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:25.840 you could theoretically create a company that's just basically a 0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.560 holding sell for cash that's publicly traded, and you can 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:32.640 basically like vaguely state your intentions for we want to 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.960 invest in this market or that market, and here's our 0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.279 pot of money. We're going to go look for a 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:41.919 company in that space to acquire and take them public, Okay, 0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:46.120 And so that you know, maybe there's merit to that 0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:51.640 approach to things. But that whole process got really perverted 0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.279 in like twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, where a 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:57.280 lot of different kinds of companies, but especially electric vehicle companies, 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.400 were getting taken public left and right, well before they 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:01.880 were ready to be a public company. 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.080 And Faraday Future doesn't sound like it should have ever 0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:06.759 been taken out of the box. Well, I'll put it 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:07.040 this way. 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.759 They went public in twenty twenty one, and within four 0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:12.520 to six months, their board of directors decided to launch 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.120 an internal investigation into the founder and the people around 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:19.640 him for basically more or less allegedly lying in the 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.680 paperwork that they filed to go public. And then eventually 0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:26.960 the internal investigator investigation led to him being removed from 0:44:27.000 --> 0:44:29.399 a particular role at the company, having people around him 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.440 pushed out of the company, and they referred it to 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.200 the SEC, which is still actually actively investigating the company. 0:44:34.719 --> 0:44:36.359 So rough few years for this guys. 0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:39.480 I mean, listen, he's here and not insl in China. 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.880 So he lives in a mansion, you know, in Rancho 0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.080 Palas Verdes and in Los Angeles. 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:51.120 So he's done well for himself. Yeah, we're four days 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.160 in and I keep trying to find I bring in 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:53.720 new people. 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.040 I love the voices we get, and I keep being like, well, 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:59.440 maybe this will be the person who found a real company. 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.440 Well, I'm sorry I've mentioned this before. I got to 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:04.879 drive an electric boat this morning. Okay, that was fun. 0:45:06.440 --> 0:45:10.520 They're a company called Arc Boats and they're based out 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:13.240 of Los Angeles, and it's a bunch of former SpaceX engineers. 0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:16.560 That kind of stuff gets thrown around a lot with 0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:19.279 like Tesla and SpaceX, especially where it's like, you know, 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.160 this company's founded by SpaceX engineers. It's like these guys 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.680 are actually genuinely smart at coming up with interesting ideas 0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.480 and trying to apply them to products and their whole thing. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:31.520 I mean, there's a lot of different electric boat companies 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.800 that are trying to find find a way to replace 0:45:36.920 --> 0:45:41.120 gas boats, whether that's in water taxis or more traditional 0:45:41.360 --> 0:45:43.600 sort of just like fishing boats. These guys are really 0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.840 going after a market that I think makes sense, just 0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:50.239 like boats for rich people, you know, Like originally they 0:45:50.320 --> 0:45:52.080 had one that it was just really kind of like 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.160 a fast fun boat on the water. This one's more 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:57.319 specifically like almost like a wakeboard boat, like wakesports. It's 0:45:57.360 --> 0:46:01.359 like tailor made for that, and it costs a lot 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.440 of money. I think it's in the high one hundred 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.680 thousand dollars marks. But it's the kind of boat that 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.719 you're already talking about spending almost that much with a 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.160 regular gas version, and I am, yeah, of course. So 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:16.319 they've been around for a couple of years. I think 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:20.480 they got founded in twenty twenty one. But they're actually 0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:23.960 delivering these They started delivering this boat. They handbuild them 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.840 or mostly handbuild them in Los Angeles. They started delivering 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.520 them a couple months ago to the first owners, so 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.400 they're actually generating revenue. They have a bunch of investment. 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.319 They have some celebrity investors. I can't remember who they 0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:35.960 are off the top of my head. That always makes 0:46:36.000 --> 0:46:40.800 me wary. But they're also though, yeah, so I have 0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:43.960 to drive it this mort yea Lake Mead. That's the 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.320 only the only bummer of the experience was it was 0:46:47.400 --> 0:46:48.400 at leak Mead, which. 0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:49.879 Is like it's like it's fair. 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:53.600 So it's like you know, the you know, if I 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.640 if I removed myself from the experience, it was kind 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.319 of depressing because you're like, oh, this isn't it fun 0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:01.239 to tool around in this electric boat in the lake 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:02.640 that exists. 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.759 The time for the end of the inland freshwater experience 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.080 here in the United States. 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:09.359 Yeah, but you know, if I was able to set 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:12.800 that aside for a moment, it was a pretty fun experience. 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.800 Other than just the terrible threat to humanity. Yeah, and 0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:18.560 you know, I mean, like, I think it's pretty clear 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:21.239 there's somehow putting on the boat company. I apologize, no. 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:23.600 But I you know, I think it's interesting that some 0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:28.600 of these products, these these vehicles, you know, for a 0:47:28.680 --> 0:47:30.720 long time especially it shows like, see, yes, we're sold 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:34.319 as solutions to that larger problem of what we're doing 0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:35.200 to the planet. 0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:37.080 As opposed to the fact that corporations are causing it. 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:40.800 Yeah, and now that's just you know, that doesn't that 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.719 doesn't really get put front and center anymore because I 0:47:42.760 --> 0:47:47.360 think people a they don't want to have to like 0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.800 live up to that, yeah, right and be like because 0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:52.920 it doesn't seem like that's actually going to help us. 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.360 So like, you know, I don't begrudge them for not 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.520 trying to like put that front and center. But it 0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:59.640 was it was hard to separate it from the experience. 0:47:59.719 --> 0:48:01.000 But you know, it was a lot of fun. 0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:02.920 Yeah, that was something I was sort of struck by. 0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:04.400 I mean, I guess just in general, I think that 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:06.560 assessment is correct in terms of how people are thinking 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.560 about like, you know, not individually, but I think that 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.279 like broadly speaking, that there's like a turn in the 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.480 culture towards like, well, we're not going to win this one, 0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:18.279 and so either people are being hedonistic and you know, 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:20.040 like sort of being like, oh whatever, let's see what 0:48:20.080 --> 0:48:23.200 happens if you put literally the worst guy of his 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.480 generation in charge of the country again and see where 0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:25.919 that goes. 0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:26.759 Well. 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.040 But in this instance, it's like I haven't seen as much, 0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:31.680 like very few of the even in the like big 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.799 tech spaces that I saw this morning at the convention center, 0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:38.120 like people don't like energy efficiency kind of seems like 0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.560 I expected to see more of it, like even just 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:42.560 in terms of people wanting to save money on bills 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:45.040 or whatever, and I didn't see a lot of that. 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:46.399 Like I don't know if it's just like if it's 0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.600 considered to be like you know, off the vibe of 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.080 like people showing up and wanting to get excited about 0:48:52.080 --> 0:48:53.399 stuff and about having new. 0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.719 Things, or yeah, I mean I think a place like 0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:58.279 this sort of incentivizes the people who are coming up 0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:01.960 with the weirder, dumber, more boisterous displays anyways, and it's 0:49:02.040 --> 0:49:04.160 kind of hard to like, you know, I think that's 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.520 where there actually is some value in these like weird 0:49:06.560 --> 0:49:09.640 shows they do the first few evenings, like Cees Unveiled 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.320 or Pepcom, where it's basically just like a gauntlet of 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:14.879 like two hundred startups in a room that don't seem 0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.360 very properly vetted. But like that's where you're going to 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:19.160 find like the place that you know, the company of 0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.799 like three people that's like we can actually use AI 0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.960 to like save you nine bucks a month on your 0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:26.880 energy bill or something like that, because like they're not 0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.240 going to be able to afford a show floor booth. 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.240 I also need to be the pepcom is an enemy 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:35.480 of Better Offline. There an enemy of Better Offline. Fully 0:49:35.560 --> 0:49:37.160 because we applied and they said I've run a po off. 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:41.680 I can't be allowed and enemy everything at pepcom diseased. 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:44.239 I stand shoulders shoulder with you, thank you. 0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:46.799 Than they have standards I was too. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:50.120 That's what was so offensive. Yeah, like do you know 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.160 how bad it is? Like I already get looked on 0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:55.400 down on quite a lot for many reasons, many listeners 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:59.920 know for your dangerous views, my dangerous views, my political 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.120 opinions of I don't know anything, but also just like, 0:50:04.200 --> 0:50:05.920 oh my god, I'm not going to spend money on 0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:07.640 a pep compot. No one should have to pay to 0:50:07.719 --> 0:50:11.440 go there. The booth people, sure, but not me. Why 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:13.319 would you do that to me? And that is why 0:50:13.360 --> 0:50:15.480 they're an enemy at the show. Now, nobody has to 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:17.880 agree with this. Everyone's looking at me like very worried. 0:50:17.960 --> 0:50:21.000 Don't worry. This is my opinion, not anyone else's. Not 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:22.280 to be like self promotional. 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.640 But it was one of the things that I really 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:27.560 enjoyed about going to our conference, TechCrunch Disrupt a couple 0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:28.960 months ago for the time because I had never gone 0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:31.160 to it before until I worked here, and I was 0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:35.880 so almost like low level nervous walking in for the 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:38.080 first time because it looks a lot like pepcom and 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:40.880 CS unveiled. It's like people at like these little like 0:50:40.960 --> 0:50:45.080 cocktail tables with like a sign behind them as the company. Yeah, 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:47.560 there's two hundred that were there, And I'm just so 0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:52.480 attuned to like the like hawker vibe of these events 0:50:52.520 --> 0:50:54.880 here where it's like guys just popping out at you 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.279 like they recognize your name or you're out and they're like, hey, 0:50:57.360 --> 0:50:59.160 can I tell you about the new robot vacuum like 0:50:59.440 --> 0:51:01.960 or whatever, and uh, and it was such a different 0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:03.759 experience because at least there we were trying to like 0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.640 find companies these events. It's like they're paying to be here, 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.000 and there's really not like a vetting process. There's like 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:12.160 some sorting you know that like each day it's going 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:13.920 to get a little bit worse, but other than that, 0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:16.640 there's really not much of a bar for most of it. 0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.359 So it was it was I didn't realize how much 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:21.759 like the pepcom's in the Cees Unveiled had ruined me 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:23.400 for like that experience until we. 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.719 Went to the same we have like an assault style Yeah, 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:31.440 and Carissa gets attacked by humans and roybooks. 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:32.680 Apparently literal assaults. 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:34.760 Do they do you feel that they treat you differently 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:38.880 as a woman robots? Well, I mean I don't know 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.200 a guy who got attacked by one, so yes, but no, 0:51:41.760 --> 0:51:43.000 do you get different. 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:47.080 First woman to get attacked by that, they didn't specify 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.120 that man, But no, they do you get treated differently, 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:52.440 you know, I. 0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:55.480 Think, I mean I don't think that I do most 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:57.319 of the time, but then you have those moments where 0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.520 somebody makes that comment like Oh, you're the first lady 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:00.040 to drive. 0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.439 And you're like why Chris, what Yeah? 0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:06.320 Second of all, like why would you feel need to 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.920 just say that out loud? So, you know, I think 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:13.320 there's always those little moments, especially when you come to 0:52:13.400 --> 0:52:15.920 see us and you know, you end up interacting with 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.759 a lot of people who are maybe either like not 0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:22.399 used to interacting with so many people all the time, 0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.799 or are just so exhausted from having to give their 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:29.040 same speech over and over again that people say weird things. 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:29.880 I try not to. 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:33.000 That's very generous of you. Edward had a similar statement 0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:34.719 when you had some weird stuff happen when we were 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.279 down on the floor earlier. And I think it's like 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:39.239 the I guess you just have to assume that, like 0:52:39.320 --> 0:52:43.040 at baseline, these are it's like the least socially adept 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:45.000 salespeople that you're likely to encounter. 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:49.320 It's also just such an unnatural environment because you have 0:52:49.480 --> 0:52:52.440 so many people from all over squeezed into you know, 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.920 these really small spaces and you're just trying to survive 0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:56.319 at least. 0:52:56.360 --> 0:52:58.359 That's yeah, you know, that's how I feel that they 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.759 never get to go outside. It seems really brutal, you know, 0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.640 what it reminds me of. Actually, this is like that 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:05.719 kind of puts a finger on something that I've been 0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:07.279 like kind of trying to figure out. I covered the 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:09.960 dog show the Westminster Kennel Club show many years ago 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:12.080 so jealous, and it was amazing. I would do it 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:16.000 again for no money. It was the best experience ever. Basically. 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:19.160 I mean, whatever it's like isn't sports writing. You know, 0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:20.839 like I was able to sort of fake it at 0:53:20.840 --> 0:53:23.799 the time and have it pretend to be you know enough. 0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:27.400 But the people that so part of that is like 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:29.960 a trade show. You know that, like the dogs competing, 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:31.600 you can go up on the floor. It's like literally 0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:33.600 the floor of the garden where like the nixt play 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.000 and watch like some corgis running a circle. And I 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.920 obviously had a great time doing that. Yeah, you know, 0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.120 better than anything that happened at the garden, like until 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:45.920 like Jalen Brunson came to town. But everything that happens 0:53:46.040 --> 0:53:50.279 below that is breeders trying to like basically get you 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:55.400 to buy either their dog's seed or to like promote 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:57.880 their their breed. You know that they're like because it 0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:01.080 is like there's a eugenics yes, light aspect to it 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:03.040 where you're kind of just like my Like I'm a 0:54:03.080 --> 0:54:07.640 Belgian Malinois guy, Like that's everything about Belgian mallawaws is 0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:09.880 more important to me than anything else about anything. 0:54:09.600 --> 0:54:10.239 Else in my life. 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:12.960 And yet those people, so that's a level again, like 0:54:13.040 --> 0:54:16.000 a baseline level of weirdness, like somebody that's just like 0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:20.439 such a terrier pervert that they can't be normal about 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:24.520 other stuff. And yet like there is something kind of 0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.359 like a wholesome ish about it too, because like they're 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.520 they're under this incredible duress they're in like the room 0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:35.160 under the room under the locker rooms at Madison Square Garden. 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:39.560 It's like the room smells like dogs and people intensely. 0:54:39.640 --> 0:54:41.520 We're talking about the dog show still. 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.480 The dog Show, still, yes, and it gets it gets 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.040 worse and worse. And yet like they wouldn't be doing 0:54:46.080 --> 0:54:47.840 it if there wasn't some part of them that was 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:51.279 like strange in the way that made that seem like 0:54:51.320 --> 0:54:53.759 a good idea to them at some point, right, And 0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.320 I guess that's probably true to us. I mean, I 0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:57.200 don't know that that's every differ, but. 0:54:57.440 --> 0:54:59.560 Most people are not like that. Hit Everyone is like 0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:02.479 just like I gotta come here for the I gotta 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.480 stand there and be like, yeah, this dishwasher can wash 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:07.520 in five seconds. Please don't count how many seconds. It's eight? 0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:09.719 Yeah, I mean I guess. It's also there's like a 0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:12.040 level of uncanniness. It's more fun when it's dogs. 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.400 But also with a dog, I feel like there's a 0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:18.000 there's not that much abstraction. You know, you're getting like 0:55:18.040 --> 0:55:21.799 a fine ars terrier. Yeap, Like this Pekinese is really 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:24.480 gonna do it for you, you know what comes out theoretically. 0:55:25.520 --> 0:55:27.520 But with this it's like you've got pr people, you've 0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.480 got like sales development people, you've got random people who 0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:32.560 are just like I kind of know the product and 0:55:32.640 --> 0:55:35.960 it's theoretical anyway. So it's like, can't take that next step. 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:39.440 If you need depth, I don't have it. Man, And 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:42.480 the guy who pays me will be very angry if 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:44.560 he has to answer a question for reasons that I've 0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:45.360 chosen to ignore. 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.040 Yeah, that's true. The dog version of that was basically 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:50.120 like guys being like, oh, yeah, he loves ice cream. 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.800 You know that's fine. You know, like that was actually 0:55:53.880 --> 0:55:56.600 the most intense question that I had about this dog. 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.440 The best is the look of panic that comes over 0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:02.480 you know, someone in the booth's face when you ask 0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:06.040 what you think is a relatively simple, straightforward question, Yeah, 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:08.360 and they just get this logo sheer panic and they're like, 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.160 well I can find someone. 0:56:11.480 --> 0:56:13.600 We had my one when I was walking on with Edward, 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:15.480 who actually is a tech journalist, there was a moment 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.160 where like there was one guy that was talking to us, 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:18.920 he's sort of doing his sales thing, and then like 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:21.560 every started asking like the good follow ups that a 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:23.239 tech journalist woul ask, like in terms of like DM 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:26.560 a prototype is it like? And it was exactly that, 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:28.319 Like this guy who kind of reminded me a little 0:56:28.320 --> 0:56:29.920 bit of like Mark McKinney from Kids in the Hall, 0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:31.759 like just kind of like a big goofy Canadian guy 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:34.400 being like, well, that's a great question, I think. But 0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:36.719 there was a moment where he clearly was like there 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.080 were reach and grasp issues that were not going to 0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:42.680 be reconcilable, and he tapped himself out. He was like, 0:56:42.800 --> 0:56:44.920 there's our product, guys eating pizza back there. Can you 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:47.120 wait like thirty seconds because like I'm not gonna like 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.440 lie to you and I can't tell you the truth. 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:53.560 I don't know it, which you know I found honorable roast. 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:54.239 Honest guy at see. 0:56:54.320 --> 0:56:54.520 Yeah. 0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:56.800 I woked up to the post night and told the 0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:58.640 story in the show already and I was like, it 0:56:58.800 --> 0:57:00.680 was a thing claiming to be a new hope for 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:05.839 autism and dyslexia. Yeah, shocker, it wasn't. And I walked 0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:08.600 up and said, if you talk to the FDA about this, 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:11.440 and they just went what's that, which is what we 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:13.520 call a good start. And I had to walk away 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.440 because it was too pissed off. But that happens a 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:19.400 lot to me with almost everything. It's just so weird 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.560 having a show with so many I keep coming back 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.400 to this point. I've said it. I think every episode 0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.720 where it's like, it's so weird, how much of this 0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:31.360 is fake? Just completely made up? Even the expensive ones. Yeah, 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.240 what the I Even with cars, I didn't think you 0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:38.040 could fake that one. They got fucking wheels like go 0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:40.680 forward and backwards inside the side tesla sometimes a little 0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.520 too much, but it's like, you can't fake you can 0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:46.439 fake cars hundreds of millions of dollars. It sounds like, yeah, 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:49.960 and across multiple companies. I'm going insane by the end 0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:54.440 of this trip. I'm gonna I think it's nice. And 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:56.160 I guess they're doing this so they can get more 0:57:56.200 --> 0:57:59.280 investment capital. They just like keep doing the con the 0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:02.240 car company in particular, Yeah, yeah, Faraday. Yeah. I mean 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:05.480 they're trying to raise money from the Middle East now again. Yeah, 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:06.680 from the UE. 0:58:07.320 --> 0:58:09.520 Oh my god, I got a lot of money over there. 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.880 I just I keep bringing people in and hoping they'll 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:16.720 help and help redeem this show, but they can't throw it. 0:58:16.960 --> 0:58:18.840 I keep coming back. Well, the dog door, there's a 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:19.840 really good dog door. 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.480 Yeah, okay. I talked to the cat door company just 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.560 to be clear, and I said, what was the training 0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.200 data you use for the company, and they said, oh 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.920 my cat. And he was British, so I gave them 0:58:29.960 --> 0:58:32.640 a little easier time. They're simple people, but I wanted 0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.120 to be like, you've never seen those different shapes of 0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:37.720 cats alone. And it just had this video of this 0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:40.360 cat with a bird in its mouth, just shoving its 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:43.800 face again and again, and I just stood looking at it, 0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:45.520 and I think the guy worked out that I was 0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:47.880 already coming up with an annoying question and just turned 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.840 his back to me. So honestly, a pro move. No, no, 0:58:51.000 --> 0:58:55.320 that is expert offensive line work. But before we go, Chris, 0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:57.400 how many CS is this view? 0:58:57.760 --> 0:58:58.920 I think this is number seven? 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:03.400 Nice? Sure, I think around the same. Yeah, yeah, Is 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.160 this better or worse? Would you say? 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:12.720 Worse in the sense that I see less fewer things 0:59:12.800 --> 0:59:16.360 that are really cool and interesting and excite me. And 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.560 that might also just be because I'm more jaded now 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:20.400 from having done this seven times. 0:59:20.440 --> 0:59:22.040 It's ydrop to impress you, but. 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:25.360 Better because I also get a lot less stressed out 0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:27.160 when I first started coming to see Yes, you know 0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:29.520 used I used to show up and be so stressed 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:31.960 out and make too many appointments and spend the whole 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.800 week running around and forgetting to eat. And you know, 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:38.760 now I feel like I can maybe not relax is 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.960 not the right word, but I can, you know, have 0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:45.400 a I don't get too worried about it anymore. 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:49.880 Sure, I think that's a really really repeatable experience for 0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:52.320 the people who do it a lot, where you start 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.000 to realize, you realize you can let go of what 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:58.120 seems important. But I do think it tracks with there 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:01.600 being maybe less interesting stuff because we're also just in 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:07.080 this weird It's like a moment where so many people 1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:10.480 have started over the line with the AI stuff and 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.720 like people feel like, oh, I had better do it too, 1:00:13.280 --> 1:00:15.600 regardless of the product. So I don't know in that sense, 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:18.840 I feel like it's worse, but I better in that 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.080 I know how to like hack the experience more because 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:24.560 I I got well, Like I came here with goals 1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:26.600 and I like accomplished some of those goals. But those 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:29.360 goals are not about like finding a lot of new technology. 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:30.840 It's like, I know people are going to be here 1:00:31.040 --> 1:00:33.840 who I need to get information out of or or 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:38.120 build a relationship with, And it's like that's more of 1:00:38.240 --> 1:00:41.920 what I'm after. Although you have you can't separate yourself 1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:44.840 from all the other stuff, so so I will now. 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:46.720 Get information from you. Where can people find you? 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:50.280 Shown I'm a I'm at tech Crunch. Go to tech 1:00:50.360 --> 1:00:52.439 runch dot com. It's a great website. I'm on blue 1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.560 Sky Sean Kaine, Carissa. 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:59.880 I'm at Engadget and social media blue Sky threads. Still 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:01.439 technically have an. 1:01:01.320 --> 1:01:03.320 Account on x the Everything app. 1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:06.600 Yes, yes, if you just google my name you'll find Okay. 1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:10.120 And David right for Defector dot com of the podcast 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:13.040 There is the Distraction. I have a podcast about Hallmark 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:15.960 movies called It's Christmas Town. It did the alternating thing 1:01:16.040 --> 1:01:17.120 like we discussed earlier. 1:01:17.160 --> 1:01:17.920 I'm still putting it in. 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:21.960 Uh and yeah. David j Roth at b sky or 1:01:22.040 --> 1:01:23.680 dot bsguide, dot social. 1:01:24.200 --> 1:01:25.960 My name is Adam, thirty eight years old, and I 1:01:26.040 --> 1:01:28.440 just started a podcast called Better Offline. It's paid for 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:30.240 by the blood the ads that follow this, So can 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:33.360 you please click from this time? I'm going to lose 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:35.960 the podcast if I'm not careful, so please look at 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:54.320 the ads. I need this. Welcome back to the show. 1:01:54.360 --> 1:01:56.600 It's me ed zitch On you link to Better Offline. 1:01:56.600 --> 1:01:59.160 You're still within the same episode. Why am I reintroducing you? 1:01:59.200 --> 1:02:01.720 You don't need this? But more importantly, I'm joined by 1:02:01.840 --> 1:02:05.520 Rob peg Gerarro. Well they're low old school dogs have 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:08.120 free lance tech gym. That's I'm feeling very old after 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.080 five days here for cees. Yeah, this place age, it's 1:02:11.120 --> 1:02:13.560 the beach that makes you old of tech? So what 1:02:13.600 --> 1:02:14.680 are you writing? Full right now? 1:02:14.960 --> 1:02:18.640 PC mag Fast Company, Wirecutter, various other publications as they 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:19.000 come up. 1:02:19.240 --> 1:02:23.280 How many cs is this is the twenty seventh for me? No, 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:25.080 that's not hell? 1:02:25.200 --> 1:02:25.360 Yeah? 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.160 How many? Say ninety eight onwards? So the only one 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:30.320 I did not attend in person. 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:33.000 Didn't happen in person twenty twenty one, And at the 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.720 start of that I realized, Yeah, my kid has never 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:38.200 seen me that week of January either as my wife. 1:02:38.680 --> 1:02:40.240 We started dating in nineteen ninety nine. 1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:42.320 So was it always called CES? 1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:42.920 So it was. 1:02:42.920 --> 1:02:46.880 Originally the Consumer Electronics Show, and then it was the International. 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:50.160 Cskay, it's just CES. It's like AIRP. It doesn't stand 1:02:50.160 --> 1:02:53.200 for anything anymore. Right, Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, we have 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:56.320 the debate day or two ago. Honestly, at this point 1:02:56.400 --> 1:02:58.600 I have no idea what day it is. Let's be honest, 1:02:58.640 --> 1:03:06.479 Fellas day, but no one really Definitely a weekday. Yeah, 1:03:06.800 --> 1:03:07.439 that seems clear. 1:03:07.600 --> 1:03:09.120 Now we're at the point in the week and you 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:12.040 will know this from your ment's experience. The CS begins 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:14.440 to just crackle like I have one. Everyone left over 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:16.720 it on the Thursday is just like I just want 1:03:16.760 --> 1:03:18.280 to I just want to see my family again. 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:22.080 Yes, yes, but also traffic starts getting a little bit better. 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:25.480 The line to get lunch or a cup. 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.720 Of coffee or a beer whatever is not as bad 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:28.760 as it was two days ago. 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:32.960 Well, have you had a good show? Yes, I have 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:36.040 very fired enjoyable. Yeah. 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:39.919 You know, to me, the most interesting transformation of CS 1:03:39.920 --> 1:03:42.840 I've seen over the years. How first it started becoming 1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:45.600 a car show to the extent that basically killed off 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:50.880 the the January Chicago North American International Auto Show, although 1:03:51.120 --> 1:03:53.120 Chicago weather in January may have had some factor, and 1:03:53.200 --> 1:03:56.280 that's it, right, But then it's become all these other 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:58.840 aspects of it. So now you have the West Hall 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:02.440 of the Las Vegas Convention Center where you have like 1:04:02.720 --> 1:04:06.400 giant earth moving machinery from Caterpillar. John Deere is going 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:11.400 to line up of agricultural and construction machinery. You have 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:17.680 boat makers, You've got Oshkosh showing off a battery electric 1:04:17.760 --> 1:04:20.960 garbage truck, and the cute little duck build truck they're 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:22.480 building for the US Postal Service. 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:25.240 Right, Oh they have that here? Oh yeah, yeah, Well 1:04:25.440 --> 1:04:27.360 it's like my dream to see that truck because I 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:29.200 feel like they're going to spike the project. 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:32.160 I'm a little worried about. Yes, my my new neighbor 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:35.040 coming to Washington, DC. They're super behind on it, right, 1:04:35.160 --> 1:04:38.360 or there was another company that was screwed up worse. No, 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.640 it's the New York Times that the Wall Street journals said, Yeah, 1:04:40.680 --> 1:04:43.400 they've shipped wayfier than they should have. It's like they say, 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:45.200 they're delving in volume now, and I'd like to see 1:04:45.200 --> 1:04:47.880 them because, yeah, the letter carriers of my neighborhood are 1:04:47.960 --> 1:04:54.320 using these Carter Administration vintage. Yeah, and I'm like, every 1:04:54.360 --> 1:04:56.160 time I see what, I'm like, is the word going 1:04:56.240 --> 1:04:57.480 to fall off while I'm looking at it? 1:04:57.840 --> 1:05:00.400 Yeah, it's miraculous that they're still upread. It's like the 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:04.240 trying pictures you see from Havana kept the STUDI Baker 1:05:04.320 --> 1:05:06.480 going for. We're actually going to sell them to the 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:07.160 Cubans next. 1:05:09.000 --> 1:05:11.200 I'm surprised we haven't threatened to take over there at 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.080 this point, but I have anybody, I think they've already 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:14.600 had it. 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.840 We're going to do a great deal. It doesn't even 1:05:16.880 --> 1:05:19.720 forget it. Yeah, we hate doing it. I hate doing 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:20.240 the voice now. 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:23.200 Yeah, the voice is less enjoyable due to the consequences. 1:05:23.640 --> 1:05:25.880 But have you enjoyed any Is there something you've seen 1:05:25.920 --> 1:05:29.840 that actually like felt good? I'm really desperate at this point. 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:32.080 I'm like, everyone I talked to is just like, well, 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:34.080 I saw something that worked. Well. 1:05:34.200 --> 1:05:35.840 Yeah, So there's a lot of junk. There's a lot 1:05:35.880 --> 1:05:38.240 of AI slop out there. Like, so I stop by 1:05:38.240 --> 1:05:41.560 Amazon's booth. They have this feature where you can have 1:05:41.680 --> 1:05:43.880 your fire TV show art on the wall. 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:46.040 Samsung did that with the frame. 1:05:46.160 --> 1:05:47.720 I've always wanted to put stuff on my wall that 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:48.160 looked good. 1:05:48.680 --> 1:05:49.400 That's a good idea. 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:49.680 You know. 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:52.440 Here you can go to stores that sell exactly that stuff. 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:54.760 That sounds implossible anyway, So you can ask the fire 1:05:54.800 --> 1:05:57.280 TV to do some art via generative AI. 1:05:57.600 --> 1:05:59.480 Oh and so that well, okay, I'm going to be 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:03.080 a nerd about this. I said, uh, draw a new 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:07.320 Glen rocket lifting off from Cape Canaveral in Florida. And 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:10.480 the first time I'd heard nuclear rocket. And then it 1:06:10.560 --> 1:06:13.560 threw this generic rocket Like, okay, at least just not 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:17.600 a rocket with a reactor cooling tower attached or whatever. 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:21.240 Then I said, it's slower, and that's still through generic rocket. 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:27.520 I thought, shouldn't Amazon's AI know about its founder's space company. 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:30.200 These things don't know anything. 1:06:30.600 --> 1:06:32.920 Yeah, people are throwing AI into anything and everything. So 1:06:33.160 --> 1:06:35.720 see now I'm just complaining about it. Yeah, I'm just 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:36.919 gonna stick with that for a little while. 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:37.439 That's fine. 1:06:37.600 --> 1:06:40.320 Delta had this keynote, So this is a mix of 1:06:40.320 --> 1:06:43.320 a good beat. The production values were nuts. I've never 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:45.600 been to this fhere before, right, And so they had 1:06:45.640 --> 1:06:48.440 this thing at the start where it's the screen that 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:51.520 enveloped you goes all around and above and around you. 1:06:51.720 --> 1:06:51.880 Right. 1:06:52.600 --> 1:06:55.800 It's a sort of cockpit perspective of taking off down 1:06:55.840 --> 1:06:59.920 the runway and seeing its speed at you. The subworb 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:03.320 in the seats rumble as if you know you're like 1:07:04.640 --> 1:07:07.800 and they've got these fans blowing wind faster and faster. 1:07:07.760 --> 1:07:09.360 Exactly like Shrek forty yeah. 1:07:09.520 --> 1:07:12.160 Yeah, and so the and they had the whole smell 1:07:12.200 --> 1:07:14.240 of vision feature which I didn't actually know about. 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:20.280 G Yeah, that they the guy next to you on 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:23.160 the plane, you can smell the awful lasagna that they're serving, 1:07:25.440 --> 1:07:27.520 even even that's good comfort, plain food. 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:32.280 The uber CEO showed up because they're doing a partnership 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:34.880 and he had a sort of joke delivery of two 1:07:35.560 --> 1:07:38.600 hazel net lattes and so that they had the smell 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:40.880 of it actually smelled like a good hazel and out 1:07:41.000 --> 1:07:41.680 caramel latte. 1:07:42.200 --> 1:07:45.840 And that guy got paid three dollars probably, yes, And 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:49.280 the last part was maybe they wouldn't do this now. 1:07:49.480 --> 1:07:52.800 It was fireworks bursting over downtown l A and the 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:55.000 airfield with the sort of smell of gunpowder like you 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:56.640 would have actual fireworks. 1:07:57.120 --> 1:07:57.840 Yeah, they might. 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:00.280 One of those poorly timed ones by acts. It didn't 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:02.960 seem like a great idea two weeks ago. Yeah, so 1:08:03.720 --> 1:08:04.600 great stagecraft. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:05.320 It was really neat. 1:08:06.040 --> 1:08:08.760 But then the announcement they had this Delta concierge, which 1:08:08.800 --> 1:08:11.240 will be this gen AI assistant in the fly Delta. 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:13.960 I held a little bit about this, but I love specifics. Yeah, 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:15.160 so I'm an alf geek. 1:08:15.440 --> 1:08:18.080 I fly a lot, although usually United being based in DC, 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:22.120 and they're talking about things like it will suggest alternate ways. 1:08:21.960 --> 1:08:25.120 To get to the airport, your past, best path to 1:08:25.360 --> 1:08:25.880 it through it. 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:27.840 I thought, is that really Ai? 1:08:28.040 --> 1:08:30.680 Because like United zapp will say, you know, you can 1:08:30.840 --> 1:08:34.320 use DSA pre don't take it, the night club is here. 1:08:35.200 --> 1:08:38.160 I was doing things like it will book an uber 1:08:38.280 --> 1:08:41.160 for you when you land, which in the example was 1:08:41.240 --> 1:08:44.400 a woman taking a business class flight to Tokyo, like 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:46.800 take the train, man, it's Japan, what are you doing? 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:51.040 Take the butt like, but also you can also just 1:08:51.120 --> 1:08:52.720 do this by using your finger. 1:08:53.040 --> 1:08:56.920 Right, Yeah, And it's all these contribed examples, and of 1:08:57.000 --> 1:08:59.800 course obviously you can't talk about a on airlines without 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:02.840 air Canada had a chatbot which made up a customer 1:09:02.880 --> 1:09:03.599 service which. 1:09:03.560 --> 1:09:06.360 Wasn't even GPT by the way, it wasn't even who 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:10.560 I've been over this one because people really want to 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:11.040 make this one. 1:09:11.240 --> 1:09:12.960 No, it's gonna be shit in the future, not in 1:09:13.000 --> 1:09:13.360 the past. 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:15.600 Yeah, and so I'm like, there's lots of ways this 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:17.960 could go bad, and the actual example seem kind of 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:21.720 you know, are you sure this isn't just software but. 1:09:21.760 --> 1:09:23.799 Also not that exciting or useful. 1:09:24.400 --> 1:09:28.080 Yeah, you know, I'm like, I'm thinking areas where I 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:31.320 could use help. AI would be useful if when, like 1:09:31.360 --> 1:09:33.640 your flight gets canceled, or if you were trying to 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:36.360 fly here on Monday when there was a snowstorm in DC, 1:09:37.880 --> 1:09:41.479 evaluate my options, what's the best chances of me getting here? 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.679 Yeah, like Flighty, which is one of the best apps 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:47.599 of all time. Flighty is just what if an air 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:52.240 a flight tracking piece of software worked, it will tell you. 1:09:52.360 --> 1:09:54.439 It will tell you, usually more reliably, whether your flight 1:09:54.520 --> 1:09:57.680 is being moved or canceled. But Delta appears to have 1:09:57.760 --> 1:09:59.880 come up with a new idea which is less you. 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:03.560 Yeah, you know, they're they're talking about they're going to 1:10:03.600 --> 1:10:06.240 have YouTube clips curated in the Seatbeck Entertainment. 1:10:06.479 --> 1:10:08.719 That's fine. I never know one what's on YouTube? 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:12.120 You know, the the Uber partnership, a lot of it 1:10:12.280 --> 1:10:14.599 was just a whole lot of stagecraft and apparently didn't 1:10:14.600 --> 1:10:17.600 go overwhell on the YouTube stream. In the audience it 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:19.920 was it was a lot of Delta employees, so it 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:23.360 was a big love fest for all the Delta employees. 1:10:23.400 --> 1:10:25.040 So I guess really do like their CEO, which you 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:27.160 cannot count on in the airline industry. 1:10:27.400 --> 1:10:30.360 Right, well, they were probably worried to not like miss me. 1:10:30.960 --> 1:10:32.519 I don't know, I don't spend enough time on the airline. 1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:33.479 Was he a real showman? 1:10:33.840 --> 1:10:38.600 You guys at Bastion and he's not enough, He's not 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:39.920 like a natural at it. 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:44.560 But he didn't seem like overwhelmed or you know, like 1:10:44.640 --> 1:10:47.160 I've seen a lot of musket of keynotes not what 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:47.519 you want. 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:51.200 No, well even less these days. Yeah, well that's true. Yeah, 1:10:51.800 --> 1:10:54.920 just form and content being separated in this right, Yes, 1:10:55.160 --> 1:10:57.200 form content, substance, style, et cetera. 1:10:57.240 --> 1:10:58.519 What was Lenny Kravitz like? 1:10:58.840 --> 1:10:59.320 He was good? 1:10:59.640 --> 1:11:05.040 Like I not seen him play before he plays circus him? Yeah, no, 1:11:05.280 --> 1:11:06.080 It started out with. 1:11:06.200 --> 1:11:07.680 Are you Gonna Go My Way? And of course the 1:11:08.120 --> 1:11:09.959 closing song was fly away. 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:10.920 Gotta do That. 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:13.439 How many songs did he play? Was it like forty 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:15.519 five minutes? It was like, you know, that's actually a 1:11:15.640 --> 1:11:17.680 decent set, you got, like a festival set. I mean, 1:11:17.880 --> 1:11:19.960 I was glad it was that short because they did 1:11:20.080 --> 1:11:21.400 have to go on to the next and you're in 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:21.800 the pit. 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:23.120 Uh. 1:11:23.360 --> 1:11:25.880 Now, the press seeds were in like the two hundred level. 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:28.880 Those are actually really good. I watched the NHL with 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:31.680 draw off there and it was really cool. Like the 1:11:31.760 --> 1:11:33.439 sphere is objectively cool. 1:11:34.040 --> 1:11:34.200 Yeah. 1:11:34.280 --> 1:11:36.720 So my the parts of CS have enjoyed the most 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:38.840 are the unusual experiences the sphere. 1:11:39.400 --> 1:11:42.400 Uh. Sunday afternoon, I had a ride in a Zeke's ROBOTAXI. 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:44.080 How was that pretty cool? 1:11:45.160 --> 1:11:45.719 Very smooth. 1:11:45.760 --> 1:11:48.599 In general, it gets a little skittish around traffic hones. 1:11:48.960 --> 1:11:50.800 And we had this part at the end which there 1:11:50.800 --> 1:11:54.160 were a lot because you all apparently never stop repaving 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:55.320 or rebuilding the streets. 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:58.080 Yeah yeah, but Constance Day of Chaos. Yeah. 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:01.760 And so this one road there was a lane row 1:12:01.760 --> 1:12:04.759 of traffic cones, a lane another row of traffic cones, 1:12:05.320 --> 1:12:08.200 car drives between the two of them and stops as 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:10.439 if it's just been like, uh. 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:14.479 Now, yeah, this seems like you got the actual robotaxi experience. 1:12:14.520 --> 1:12:17.280 And so then apparently there's some sort of overseer who 1:12:17.280 --> 1:12:20.040 could say you can back up. And so for people 1:12:20.040 --> 1:12:23.160 who haven't seen this, this is a pure robotaxi. 1:12:23.200 --> 1:12:23.559 It's not a. 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:27.760 Converted car or anything. I was like a Jaguar with 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:31.000 its two seats on each side facing each other. There's 1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:34.040 no front or back end. There's an engine over that's 1:12:34.120 --> 1:12:39.800 kind of over both sets of yeah, and so it 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:43.720 can reverse front end becomes the back end. 1:12:43.760 --> 1:12:44.040 Whatever. 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:47.120 We backed up, went into an little lane. It was fine, 1:12:47.800 --> 1:12:50.200 and we had a couple of moments where people looked 1:12:50.200 --> 1:12:52.439 at it. You know, if you're in a robo taxi, 1:12:53.160 --> 1:12:55.519 there are these rockstar moments where people have like, is 1:12:55.600 --> 1:12:57.680 that what I think it is? So this kind of 1:12:57.720 --> 1:13:00.559 tesla starts doing video of us how to stop mind 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:04.479 you not driving? This couple in a jeep were like 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:07.240 waving high. They were rolling down in the window. But 1:13:07.479 --> 1:13:10.040 you can't up in the window on a zooke. 1:13:10.400 --> 1:13:12.960 On the how big get held up a side actually. 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:14.920 Just like thumbs up. Can't get out. 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:16.360 Yes, uh. 1:13:16.520 --> 1:13:19.240 And Monday afternoon I took a little field trip to 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:22.320 Lake Mead Rhyme this company called ARC the. 1:13:22.360 --> 1:13:23.280 Electric boat show. 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:26.800 Yes, tell us about battery electric Yeah, and that thing 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:28.160 halls ass that's cool. 1:13:28.479 --> 1:13:32.600 Yeah, And apparently I I'm not a boat guy like 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:36.639 I like other people's boats, right, I had not looked 1:13:36.720 --> 1:13:40.920 up winterization checklists for boats. You don't want to do that. 1:13:41.080 --> 1:13:43.120 It's a whole lot of work if you have a 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:43.920 gas engine. 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:45.840 And this is why I don't have a boat. Yeah. 1:13:45.960 --> 1:13:49.000 Well, also, this thing is like it will cost two 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.960 hundred and fifty eight thousand dollars, I think, Yeah, I 1:13:53.040 --> 1:13:53.320 don't know. 1:13:53.360 --> 1:13:56.040 What boats cost my regular series of boats. 1:13:56.280 --> 1:13:58.439 I prefer boat as a service where somebody else. 1:13:58.479 --> 1:14:03.560 You know, that was quite literally a twenty thirteen aristotical 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:07.120 boat bound, I believe. Sure, why not sounds it actually existed. 1:14:08.640 --> 1:14:11.240 Pray for the end anyway, but it sounds like the 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:13.479 fast electric boat was fun at least. 1:14:13.600 --> 1:14:16.880 Yeah, and you know the whole way, we're finding ways 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:19.120 to electrify all these different modes of transit. 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:21.560 That's good. Yeah, that's good and useful stuff. How do 1:14:21.600 --> 1:14:22.760 you charge that thing? Though? 1:14:23.560 --> 1:14:23.800 Same? 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:28.000 It's actually the same kind of plug on most non 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:32.320 Tesla evs, the J seventeen seventy two slow charging. 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:33.639 How does that do with water? 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.280 It's all sealed, so the whole thing, Yeah, the batteries 1:14:37.280 --> 1:14:40.920 in a silk compartment. The plug itself is at. 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:45.439 Like the top of the hole you step over at boarding, right, 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:47.800 And the whole model is this is something built to 1:14:47.880 --> 1:14:52.040 toe like water skiers. People like surfing on the wake. 1:14:52.520 --> 1:14:55.920 So you don't spend overnight with it. You do like 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:59.439 four to six hours. Everyone is tired, needs a nap 1:15:00.360 --> 1:15:04.040 dock it, plug it in and slow charging is overtime. 1:15:04.080 --> 1:15:09.760 It's fine, right, but it worked though, yes, actual and 1:15:09.920 --> 1:15:12.599 also like just pulling out in the no wake zone 1:15:12.600 --> 1:15:15.200 on the lake really quiet and there's no smell of 1:15:15.280 --> 1:15:19.320 gasoline like regular boats there there make a certain amount 1:15:19.320 --> 1:15:21.639 of noise efficient engine stretch. 1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:26.000 So Ed David, you went to the Venetian expoe and 1:15:26.040 --> 1:15:28.599 you went down to the Eureka zone. Yes, real toilet. 1:15:29.200 --> 1:15:30.800 I was there earlier today. 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:33.800 What did you fellas see? What wonders did you? 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:36.960 I thought it would be weirder than it was. It 1:15:37.080 --> 1:15:39.320 really is disappointed. I've seen weirder stuff there. Yeah, yeah, 1:15:39.400 --> 1:15:41.000 that was prepared to go down there, and it was 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:43.640 just going to be like a hair dryer that's been 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:46.720 trained to scream at you. You know, it's just like 1:15:46.880 --> 1:15:50.760 the nonsense tech sold to you by media. Let me 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:52.639 look at your my nose to see if anything sort 1:15:52.680 --> 1:15:54.759 of jumped out. But we had I think the biggest 1:15:54.840 --> 1:15:56.720 challenge for us, and this is maybe it's my sense 1:15:56.760 --> 1:16:01.920 of direction issue, is just finding stuff that like there's 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:04.040 multiple food courts and then there's a lot of like 1:16:04.240 --> 1:16:07.240 country type zones. Yes, the French tech one is the 1:16:07.320 --> 1:16:10.160 single biggest occupent of space. Yeah, yeah, it was. I mean, 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:12.360 like some of the stuff I saw I was like 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:13.280 boring but useful. 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:16.120 There was some French startup They make a little pogystick 1:16:16.160 --> 1:16:19.200 on the floor of a garage to tell you is 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:21.960 this an ice car or an EV? Has the EV 1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:25.120 been there too long? And ice means in term of question, yeah, 1:16:26.160 --> 1:16:29.639 which you know, boring but useful. Yeah, probably need that, Yeah, 1:16:29.840 --> 1:16:32.719 but nothing really weird and fun. 1:16:32.920 --> 1:16:35.800 It was weird I saw I had I don't try 1:16:35.840 --> 1:16:39.320 to gas you up here on the podcast as an 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:43.320 actual journalist watching you ask good questions of people that 1:16:43.439 --> 1:16:46.240 were we were sort of wandering around the like accessibility 1:16:46.320 --> 1:16:50.400 tech h area, and that stuff is like kind of 1:16:50.520 --> 1:16:53.439 hard to parse in some ways because it's like it 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:57.000 seems useful to me. I don't have limited mobility, right, 1:16:57.040 --> 1:16:58.640 and it does have that sort of veneer of it, 1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:01.240 and yet you were able to and I don't. I 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:03.519 don't want to make you like break down your own 1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:08.960 tape here like it's John Gruden's Quarterback Club. 1:17:09.360 --> 1:17:12.000 But well, I think that's one major reason why that would. 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:14.439 Well, right, But in this case, it's like you asked 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:18.439 a series of questions about that the like bluetooth earpiece 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:20.320 thing that I found like really illuminating in terms of 1:17:20.400 --> 1:17:21.679 like all stuff gets sold. 1:17:21.760 --> 1:17:22.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:26.320 So we there's a section of the area that was 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:30.559 for digital health, and some of it was for people 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:33.640 who are unable to use their arms, and so you 1:17:33.880 --> 1:17:36.920 want to give them some tech that they can put 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:39.559 in their ear or somewhere close enough to the jaw 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:43.280 so that when they clenched that can be assistive and 1:17:43.439 --> 1:17:45.760 be used in place of their arms. When we first 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:48.040 approached one of the boots, the guy was pitching it 1:17:48.280 --> 1:17:52.320 as something that would be useful immediately in retail. Let's 1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:54.120 say you're at like a fast food restaurant or at 1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:56.880 some sort of store and you are unable to use 1:17:56.880 --> 1:17:59.960 your hands because you're doing another task. You can you know, 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:02.240 clench your jaw or use it in a certain way. 1:18:02.280 --> 1:18:04.240 And he was talking about how you know, these firms 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:08.360 love their product because they are able to have the workers. 1:18:08.000 --> 1:18:09.920 You know, do multiple task at once perfect. 1:18:10.160 --> 1:18:11.880 And then we talked to the product guy and it 1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:15.680 there's actually there's nothing. There's no real product. It's in development, 1:18:16.280 --> 1:18:19.640 and the core concerned is accessibility, which makes sense, like 1:18:20.000 --> 1:18:22.920 it is people who are not able bodied, and that 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:24.320 all this other stuff. 1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:27.840 Is uh proposed. 1:18:28.520 --> 1:18:31.280 It feels as if a way to attract investments so 1:18:31.360 --> 1:18:32.759 that they can do the core thing that they actually 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:34.760 would do, which is one would hope, yeah, you know, 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:37.400 I would hope so or it could be reversed, which 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:41.800 is that you are developing something that is clear, concrete 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:46.799 and and has a definite use case, but then pitching 1:18:46.880 --> 1:18:50.200 investors the much more speculative and spurious thing so that 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:53.360 you can scale up and build and never really eventually 1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:56.519 land there, but keep you know, pulling in funds. 1:18:56.640 --> 1:19:02.320 Interesting also, it was interesting to me about that, like 1:19:02.479 --> 1:19:04.920 tonally and we were talking about this the difference in 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:07.320 the approach between like the marketing guy who like kind 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:09.600 of knew some stuff but was mostly just like a 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:12.840 goofball Canadian dude, yeah, and then the product guy, who 1:19:13.120 --> 1:19:14.760 was more or less able to be like not only 1:19:14.840 --> 1:19:17.240 in the sense that one guy's like, we've already got 1:19:17.280 --> 1:19:20.880 a prominent fast food place that's like ready to place 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.240 in order, so like act now, and then the other 1:19:23.360 --> 1:19:25.439 dude was just sort of once you got into the 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:27.759 like as you were saying, like for the accessibility stuff, 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:30.000 like it more or less makes sense, Like there's the 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:32.960 things that you'd be doing with it, are you know, 1:19:33.000 --> 1:19:35.360 which is basically it's like a very small facial gesture. 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:38.400 What they can do things actually do, Like what are 1:19:38.400 --> 1:19:39.520 the commands. 1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:43.320 So in conjunction with moving your hand or maybe tilting 1:19:43.360 --> 1:19:46.640 to get it with some sort of micro expressions or 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:51.080 small gestures, with clenching your joy be able to move cursors, click, 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:54.400 you know, very simple commands. But the way that the 1:19:54.520 --> 1:19:56.479 marketing guy was talking about it was as if you 1:19:56.479 --> 1:20:00.639 would be able to immediately as someone's making order, parsed 1:20:00.720 --> 1:20:04.760 through a menu or a screen faster than you could 1:20:04.800 --> 1:20:05.360 tactile and. 1:20:05.360 --> 1:20:08.479 Then like make change. Yeah, right, and so the product 1:20:08.520 --> 1:20:10.400 guy was basically like the way that he explained it, 1:20:10.439 --> 1:20:12.519 which I thought was like pretty honest, was like, you know, 1:20:13.120 --> 1:20:16.960 so it's like building like a sort of a user interface, 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:19.680 and like theoretically you could get really complex with it. 1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:21.320 You know that it could all of these could be 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:24.599 different applications. But at some point you're making a lot 1:20:24.640 --> 1:20:27.280 of expressions and you're like moving your nose very slightly 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:30.560 because you're basically like scrolling through this long series of 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:32.680 options so that you can select that this person is 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:36.000 trying to get like a four piece box, right, you know, 1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:39.160 and like he you know, obviously he was like professional, 1:20:39.240 --> 1:20:42.800 He wasn't like that's a stupid use for this technology. 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:44.760 But it was the sort of thing where you could 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:49.040 see how like that is not just like sort of 1:20:49.280 --> 1:20:52.120 harder and like further down the line, it's also like 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:55.600 it's hard to make something that is designed to be 1:20:55.680 --> 1:20:58.400 one thing do something else, Like theoretically it could happen. 1:20:58.479 --> 1:21:00.439 It sounds like it sounds like it isn't designed for 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:03.960 anything because it doesn't exist. Yeah, that's the other It 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:06.280 doesn't sound like they've tried it, Like they didn't even 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:07.920 have a protest when we talked about it. 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:13.000 They said they were in late stage prototype development with partners, 1:21:13.880 --> 1:21:16.280 and tried to press them on what them doesn't seem. 1:21:16.120 --> 1:21:22.040 Like cover of Multitude, Yeah, exactly is there like yeah 1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:25.439 the PR guy Yeah no, no, So speaking to that, 1:21:25.520 --> 1:21:27.799 I can actually speak to this. Nothing exists. 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:30.320 In my opinion. This is my professional opinion, not having 1:21:30.400 --> 1:21:33.040 seen it, but anytime, and I don't work, never work 1:21:33.080 --> 1:21:35.840 with clients like this. I think the time I stop 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:37.760 was in like twenty fourteen when I had my first 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:41.240 client that just had something completely fucking made up and 1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:44.479 like the fit. They had a thing like a nutrition thing. 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:46.640 I'm being as vague as possible, and it's set on 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:50.160 fire during a demo, which is traditionally not a great 1:21:50.280 --> 1:21:53.360 nutrition thing. I guess if you're eating something. Nevertheless, that 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:57.080 was them like, I need up the quality control because 1:21:57.240 --> 1:22:01.720 if they're saying yet late stage prototype development. Yeah, that 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:04.559 phrase has been through a few people, none of them lawyers. Yeah, 1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:06.439 because the lawyer would be like, don't say, don't say. 1:22:06.439 --> 1:22:09.720 It's kind of a lot of words. It is taken 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:12.160 a long time for you to say that you don't 1:22:12.240 --> 1:22:15.479 have a thing, yeah, like there's nothing to use. And 1:22:15.600 --> 1:22:18.440 if they're saying if they had the way around. 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:20.439 That professionally is you actually have a video of someone 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:22.479 using it and you they go, well, we'll do rendering 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:24.400 you like no, no, yeah, no, no, no, there's none 1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:24.560 of that. 1:22:24.640 --> 1:22:27.680 All that was was it felt like there was an 1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:30.400 earpiece that someone had, but there were no efforts or 1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:36.080 you know, attempt to demonstrate it and purely uh sort 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:39.679 of like the X ray blue outline of a body 1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:44.799 illustrations illuminating what muscle groups would be used when clenching 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:46.080 your jaw, which is. 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:50.200 These also feel like very different use cases because the 1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:54.080 experience of I imagine not having arms, like not not 1:22:54.200 --> 1:22:56.719 actually being able to move one's body and the things 1:22:56.760 --> 1:22:59.000 you would need to do as a result a vastly 1:22:59.080 --> 1:23:02.120 different to someone who doesn't have the hands free. On 1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:07.240 top of that, people have different sized faces. That's yeah. 1:23:07.400 --> 1:23:09.160 We talked about this a bit where it's like, you 1:23:09.240 --> 1:23:11.839 know what you would need to do to be able 1:23:12.000 --> 1:23:19.960 to with micro expressions muscles whatever outpace tactile manipulation or 1:23:20.400 --> 1:23:21.800 do it fast enough where you could do it and 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:23.400 have it as a secondary task. 1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:25.600 I mean we're getting. 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:27.360 Into like sci fi territory at that point, because you 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.559 need to be able to create some sort of design 1:23:29.640 --> 1:23:33.759 that you know, it would distinguish between all these gestures, 1:23:33.880 --> 1:23:36.439 be able to immediately and reliably one hundred percent of 1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:38.880 the time get them to get to there, and be 1:23:38.920 --> 1:23:43.240 able to internally manipulate them with thought because this is 1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:45.880 also a non invasive alternative to brain implants, So it 1:23:45.960 --> 1:23:49.479 has to somehow create a mental schema that's one to 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:55.320 one matching with gestures movements. You know, we're getting into 1:23:55.439 --> 1:23:58.839 territory where each step is less and less peasible. 1:23:58.960 --> 1:24:03.439 Even say how they would receive the signals? Would it 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:05.599 be uh? What did they say? 1:24:05.840 --> 1:24:05.960 Uh? 1:24:06.400 --> 1:24:10.120 E M it was e emg's which was I don't 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:14.680 remember that sounded for Honestly, it seemed legit enough to me, 1:24:14.880 --> 1:24:18.120 again as a simpleton, I also invested three hundred million dollars. 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:20.160 I mean, we all will. 1:24:20.680 --> 1:24:23.240 But the there it was like one of those things 1:24:23.240 --> 1:24:27.120 where like more or less the technology seemed to make sense, 1:24:27.160 --> 1:24:29.080 the usage didn't seem to make sense. Like I believe 1:24:29.160 --> 1:24:33.240 that there is probably like high level engineering that could 1:24:33.320 --> 1:24:35.280 make something like this work. I don't think that there's 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:39.520 anything that's like gonna make it work for Wendy's. 1:24:40.800 --> 1:24:42.519 But that was also one example, I think of what 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:45.000 there I've seen I think two different companies doing some 1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:48.120 some kind of powered exoskeleton, and it is it will 1:24:48.160 --> 1:24:48.760 help you hike. 1:24:49.280 --> 1:24:51.400 Oh I will. I want the rubboat sit like one. 1:24:51.439 --> 1:24:53.840 My thought is if you can do that and so 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:57.880 it works naturally with you, not like against you. You know, 1:24:58.000 --> 1:24:59.800 older people who might have be a. 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:03.560 Risk falling, which one thing I've learned from having you know, 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:06.439 ask anyone who's got a little relatives. Gravity can kind 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:08.800 of be terrible for older people. And yeah, that's why 1:25:08.880 --> 1:25:10.960 that's what We're going to retire to a space station 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:12.280 if I can afford them. 1:25:13.400 --> 1:25:15.320 But yeah, that's It's interesting also how you'd market it, 1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:17.880 because I did see those that was yesterday. I saw 1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:21.439 that and it was definitely sort of like a lifestyle enhancer. 1:25:21.600 --> 1:25:23.160 Like the way that they were pitching it was being like, 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:24.439 you know, you're gonna be able to hike like you 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:25.400 never hiked before. 1:25:26.000 --> 1:25:27.880 I'm not actually get the tech bro who wants to 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:30.840 be like iron Man, right, I'm trying to bet money 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.720 and use it to then you productize it for a 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:35.439 larger market. 1:25:35.680 --> 1:25:35.880 Yeah. 1:25:36.320 --> 1:25:38.360 And in this case, it was like the the idea 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:41.080 that you had to imagine the larger market because I 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:44.960 guess of like how comparatively unglamorous to investors the actual 1:25:45.040 --> 1:25:45.600 market would be. 1:25:45.600 --> 1:25:48.960 Pivot. Yeah, So Rob, would you say this is a 1:25:49.120 --> 1:25:50.880 more bullshit or less bullshit? Yeah? 1:25:51.600 --> 1:25:54.280 Hm hm, I might say slightly less, like one thing 1:25:56.360 --> 1:25:57.880 and this is a piece I still needed to do 1:25:57.960 --> 1:26:01.400 for PC mag AK television. You go back like four 1:26:01.520 --> 1:26:04.639 years ago or six years everyone was like, well, it's 1:26:04.640 --> 1:26:06.320 going to be the next four K. I'm like, actually, 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:08.360 it's the next three D and full K is yet 1:26:08.400 --> 1:26:11.360 to be the next four K. It's it's become a 1:26:11.479 --> 1:26:15.280 sort of pyrrhic victory for the industry. They got it adopted. 1:26:15.360 --> 1:26:17.559 It's in any set you'd buy bigger than like forty 1:26:17.600 --> 1:26:20.679 two inches. But because everybody's doing it, there's no profit 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:24.639 margin left, which was the problem it was supposed to solve, right, 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:28.120 But yeah, Ak Samsung is still trying to make it happen. 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:31.639 No one else is, right, and I'm like, that's great. 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:34.479 The industry realized no one actually wants to buy this, 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:36.719 so they found a new thing that no one wanted 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:39.720 to buy out. You know, yeah, like just just at 1:26:39.760 --> 1:26:42.000 AI as a label. You like what Delta is doing 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:46.519 with the concierge that maybe just software. I just you 1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:50.000 know your aktvs now have AI upscaling instead of just upscaling. 1:26:50.160 --> 1:26:52.800 No, they were doing that last year. Probably, they absolutely 1:26:52.840 --> 1:26:55.840 were doing that. If they try to say again, is there. 1:26:55.840 --> 1:26:58.240 A distinction between those two things. 1:26:58.200 --> 1:27:01.639 Well, eight K is actually eight K resolution versus upscaling, 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:03.599 which is effectively filling in the front. 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:06.599 It's on which you need because there's nothing to watch. 1:27:06.439 --> 1:27:09.120 In a K. Well, you can't even watch terrestrial television 1:27:09.120 --> 1:27:11.000 and four K, so in theory you can't. 1:27:11.280 --> 1:27:13.360 You can your next gen, but that's not going to 1:27:13.400 --> 1:27:17.439 be doable until stations take that note. My first CEES 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:20.559 was the introduction of digital TV in nineteen ninety eight. 1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:23.840 Jeez, that's y'all. Can't see the gray hairs on my head, 1:27:24.439 --> 1:27:25.760 most of which your CES is fault. 1:27:25.960 --> 1:27:28.000 Why would you watch something in four K? 1:27:28.280 --> 1:27:30.320 I would watch it if it's a big enough if 1:27:30.360 --> 1:27:32.640 it's a big enough screen, you appreciated, like I was 1:27:32.720 --> 1:27:34.800 a skeptic for a long time. The monitor on my 1:27:34.880 --> 1:27:37.360 Mac at home is a four K screen, and yeah, 1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:38.880 for all mankind is pretty great at that. 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:42.320 Lee Well, sport like baseball, especially with very precise placement 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:44.400 but past that point really. 1:27:44.520 --> 1:27:47.160 Yeah, now there's no reason for AK And you know, 1:27:47.400 --> 1:27:49.599 maybe I guess the sphere I guess has sixteen case 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:50.400 screens on the wall. 1:27:51.080 --> 1:27:52.920 But that's the definition of an edge case. 1:27:53.200 --> 1:27:56.080 Yeah, if your your ease case is a two billion 1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:57.920 dollar building in Vegas. 1:27:58.080 --> 1:28:00.360 Yeah, yeah, is not as well. 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:02.280 Also to your point on the watching things and four 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:06.080 K things, like I think so we're also uh current 1:28:06.240 --> 1:28:10.200 on for all mankind la postorous. But it's like, you know, 1:28:10.520 --> 1:28:13.560 it's guy's a strong seats. I've noticed that. And this 1:28:13.680 --> 1:28:15.200 is the case with a lot of the Netflix stuff, 1:28:15.200 --> 1:28:17.880 which they make them shoot on four K cameras, right, 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:21.080 Like that's like, yeah, it's it's a really goofee show. 1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:24.479 It's like a space soap opera. But the but a 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:25.840 lot of the issues I like it too, And but 1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:29.759 so the effects look incredible. The scenes of people talking 1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:34.639 in rooms often look like a telenovella to me, Like yeah, 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:37.040 and that's like an issue with a lot of Netflix 1:28:37.040 --> 1:28:38.880 stuff too, because they shoot in four K and then 1:28:38.880 --> 1:28:40.240 they have to mush it down to get it through 1:28:40.240 --> 1:28:42.280 your pipes and then it expands again on your TV. 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:44.640 And that's why everything on Netflix kind of looks like 1:28:44.760 --> 1:28:46.960 you're watching it on your phone even though you're watching 1:28:47.000 --> 1:28:48.519 it on your TV. I think this is like my 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:51.240 understanding of it. But I do think that there's like 1:28:52.000 --> 1:28:53.439 as much as it would be cool to like watch 1:28:53.520 --> 1:28:55.360 sports like that, and I do think it's true, like I, 1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:57.360 you know, have my mind blown by like how good 1:28:57.439 --> 1:28:59.720 a lot of the TV displays were in the big 1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:04.639 you know, TV manufactured things that I looked at this morning. 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:08.320 And yet it's like you do kind of at some 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:14.160 point like bump up against the like necessity question on 1:29:14.280 --> 1:29:15.160 any of this stuff, Like. 1:29:15.200 --> 1:29:17.799 We like the whole Apple definition of a retina display, 1:29:17.960 --> 1:29:20.880 like can you no longer see the constituent pixels? Which 1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:23.680 is absolutely a thing in TVs, And so yeah, you 1:29:23.880 --> 1:29:27.679 need such a huge screen for AK to be discernibly better, 1:29:28.560 --> 1:29:31.840 and so yes, content for it, Like now there's nothing 1:29:31.880 --> 1:29:35.200 the odd time that EFA in Berlin, I want to say, 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:38.120 like two years ago, and that's what is EFA just 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:41.080 for the it's the basically the European version of CS. 1:29:41.640 --> 1:29:45.240 It originally stood for German for international radio show. I 1:29:45.280 --> 1:29:49.599 don't speak German to tongue. International now focus along. Now 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:51.080 they say it's innovation for all I do. 1:29:51.160 --> 1:29:56.320 And that was really okay, I dun'k it, And that EFA. 1:29:56.120 --> 1:30:00.240 Has gone on from like twenty twenty three up for 1:30:00.240 --> 1:30:01.640 a few years in the forties. I don't like to 1:30:01.680 --> 1:30:02.120 talk about. 1:30:03.280 --> 1:30:06.880 And so Samsung had commissioned an AK version of the 1:30:07.360 --> 1:30:10.599 series Dust Boots. Okay, and that's like literally the only 1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:13.400 time I've seen a TV vendor get you something to 1:30:13.479 --> 1:30:14.160 watch in AK. 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:17.720 The movies like four and a half, isn't that very 1:30:17.760 --> 1:30:18.320 I didn't. 1:30:18.080 --> 1:30:19.559 Even know they'd min a series out of the movie 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:20.799 the series. 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:22.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the movies very long. 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:26.160 I have watched the movie and it was in an 1:30:26.200 --> 1:30:28.240 old school theater in DC and Connecticut Avenue. 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:30.120 Yeah, the movies from like nineteen eighty five too. 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:30.360 Yeah. 1:30:30.360 --> 1:30:32.000 I feel like watching that in a K would feel 1:30:32.000 --> 1:30:35.880 like you were on LSD overprocessed. Yeah, just like you're 1:30:36.120 --> 1:30:38.360 so much closer to Jurgen Prunk now than you really 1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:38.720 need to be. 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:39.840 Hug and Krunk. 1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:42.599 We love Yurgen pro is a good actor. 1:30:43.160 --> 1:30:45.360 So let's bring this to an end. Rob. Where can 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:45.960 people find you? 1:30:46.320 --> 1:30:48.519 You can find me at pc mag dot com, mass 1:30:48.560 --> 1:30:51.080 coompany dot com. My website is Rob Pacerrero dot com. 1:30:51.240 --> 1:30:53.880 I am on bluesky at the exact same handle was 1:30:53.920 --> 1:30:56.559 on blue Sky. Everyone has a website, mister. 1:30:56.520 --> 1:31:03.320 Guisa newsletter, the Bubble dot Substack dot com podcast, this 1:31:03.520 --> 1:31:07.120 Machine Kills and on actually everything site in blue Sky, 1:31:07.560 --> 1:31:08.519 Big Black Jacobin. 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:13.160 I'm ready for Defector dot com the podcast I do 1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:16.760 there is the Distraction and I am David Jroth dot 1:31:17.320 --> 1:31:20.040 bsky DoD social on Bluescape. 1:31:20.840 --> 1:31:23.000 So you're at the end of day four of the 1:31:23.120 --> 1:31:26.960 CS coverage. We are absolutely high energy. All of us 1:31:27.040 --> 1:31:29.760 are and are more peaking out, more awake than we've 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:31.519 ever been able to take these boys out for bergers 1:31:31.560 --> 1:31:34.479 after this, thank you so much for listening. Everyone. Two 1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:38.120 more days. You've got another double tomorrow, another two pairs, 1:31:38.320 --> 1:31:42.519 another two pairs. Jesus Christ ninety minutes each, two episodes 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:45.400 hard and then a finale on Saturday. Jesus Christ, It's 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:49.280 not that bad. I have not been this tired. 1:31:50.240 --> 1:31:50.880 God knows how. 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:56.120 I'm brimming with life and I'm like a decade older 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:59.840 than you, full of full of the spirit of csh 1:32:00.200 --> 1:32:04.160 of John CS, the founder, the Christian cult leader, give 1:32:04.240 --> 1:32:06.960 us so much at the first CS who did a 1:32:07.040 --> 1:32:10.160 sacrifice and that's why the show is still around. Yep, 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:12.760 that's facts. Anyway, I'm at Zitchron. Thank you for listening. 1:32:12.800 --> 1:32:15.240 You've really indulged me this week. More to come tomorrow. 1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:26.240 Thank you so much. 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