Speaker 1: I'm Teddy Mellencamp and this is Emily Simpson.
Speaker 2: And you're listening to Popping Off. Hi, guys, welcome to
Speaker 2: another episode of Popping Off with myself and Emily Simpson.
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you guys.
Speaker 1: Wait, I didn't even get to say my own name.
Speaker 2: No, because I'm too excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I'll let you go for it, go
Speaker 1: for it, listen.
Speaker 3: Because we were so excited to move on to the
Speaker 3: Secret Wives of Mormon Wives, I can barely even let
Speaker 3: you say your own name.
Speaker 1: All right, It's okay, I don't need a name, It's fine.
Speaker 2: Okay. So before we even get started on recapping the
Speaker 2: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives cast list, Emily, could you
Speaker 2: give us a little information on the Church of Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ dot org article.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: First of all, let me just remind everyone because I
Speaker 4: feel like I need to remind you that Shane is
Speaker 4: an active member of the LDS Church, but I am not,
Speaker 4: So I just want to put that out there because
Speaker 4: I feel like people get confused about that. Secondly, I
Speaker 4: asked Shane, what is the church's stance on these reality
Speaker 4: shows that have come out like Salt Lake City Talking
Speaker 4: about the Mormon religion and now this reality show which
Speaker 4: actually puts the word Mormon wives into the title, So
Speaker 4: he looked it up for me, and the LDIS Church
Speaker 4: actually did issue a statement and it's actually longer than this,
Speaker 4: but this is just a little breakdown of it. It
Speaker 4: says the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints,
Speaker 4: like other prominent global faith communities, often finds itself the
Speaker 4: focus of the attention of the entertainment industry. Some portrayals
Speaker 4: are fair and accurate, but others resort to stereotypes or
Speaker 4: gross miss representations that are in poor taste and have
Speaker 4: real life consequences for people of faith. While this is
Speaker 4: not new, a number of recent productions depict lifestyles and
Speaker 4: practices blatantly inconsistent with the teachings of the church. The
Speaker 4: true story of our faith is best seen in the
Speaker 4: countless lives of those who strive daily to follow our Savior,
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ. So basically, they're like, don't get your education
Speaker 4: about LDS directly from these TV shows.
Speaker 2: Do you think that they didn't say anything about podcasts?
Speaker 2: So do you think that they're going to be concerned
Speaker 2: with what we have to say? Here because this is
Speaker 2: what the actual line says at the beginning of this
Speaker 2: when entertainment media distorts faith.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, they obviously can't control what's put out there.
Speaker 4: I think that you and I, I mean we get
Speaker 4: to actually watch it and pick it apart and me
Speaker 4: being married to Shane, I think it gives the actual
Speaker 4: perspective from both sides, like what these women are saying
Speaker 4: and calling themselves active members, and then what someone who
Speaker 4: actually lives the life and the lifestyle like my husband.
Speaker 4: But he would say, And so I think it's an
Speaker 4: interesting take that you and I get to have.
Speaker 2: I agree, Okay, So I would say one of the
Speaker 2: most challenging things we're going to have to really get
Speaker 2: through as we watch the secret Lives of Mormon wives,
Speaker 2: other than pissing off Church of Jesus Christ dot Org,
Speaker 2: is deciphering which one of these women is who.
Speaker 4: They do look a lot alike, especially Jesse and DEMI
Speaker 4: are those Is that the same person?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we've got on our top row, we've
Speaker 2: got Taylor, We've got Mikayla, We've got Macy. So we've
Speaker 2: already done an interview with Mikayla and Macy, which you
Speaker 2: couldn't keep their names straight even in the interview in person,
Speaker 2: Taylor I will always recognize because she is the hot
Speaker 2: mess that I love to watch. Whitney I can keep
Speaker 2: straight because she drives me absolutely bananas.
Speaker 4: Well, and Whitney is very distinctive looking. She doesn't look
Speaker 4: like the rest of them. She doesn't have like the
Speaker 4: hair extensions, and she just she You can spot her,
Speaker 4: you can spot her kind of all blend.
Speaker 2: And then we've got Jesse and Demi, who could essentially
Speaker 2: be the same person, and one of them could actually
Speaker 2: be on Selling Sunset. It could be Krishelle Strauss. And
Speaker 2: then we've also got Jennifer Affleck, who I really hope
Speaker 2: you guys have put the time in to watching her
Speaker 2: j LO video that she's now posted. So she's really
Speaker 2: making sure to capitalize on her Affleck last name, which
Speaker 2: is not by accident. She is somewhat related to Ben Affleck,
Speaker 2: and she wants this all to know about it.
Speaker 1: Yep, she does.
Speaker 4: And then this last girl, Leyla. They didn't do a
Speaker 4: lot with her in this first episode. I didn't see
Speaker 4: much conversation revolving around her. No confessionals with her were
Speaker 4: the maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2: No, there wasn't much with her. And I had to
Speaker 2: hold myself back from watching the second episode because I
Speaker 2: was so hooked after the first, Like, stop yourself. You
Speaker 2: cannot because I'm a binge watcher of television and if
Speaker 2: i like something, I'm like, I'm ready to really bring
Speaker 2: it home.
Speaker 1: But you had to stop yourself.
Speaker 2: I had to stop myself. So it's really really good.
Speaker 2: It starts out. The intro gives an explanation of mom
Speaker 2: Talk and the sex scandal that rocked the entire community.
Speaker 2: When Taylor Frankie Paul revealed that the couples of Mom
Speaker 2: Talk were swinging, the entire world was talking about it.
Speaker 2: This was also during COVID, so I mean, everybody needed
Speaker 2: something to talk about other than COVID. The rules of
Speaker 2: Mormonism are strict. No caffeine, no alcohol, no more than
Speaker 2: one piercing have a child by the time you're twenty one.
Speaker 4: I don't believe this is like written doctrine anywhere. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna ask Shane about this, but I do know that
Speaker 4: there are guidelines as far as no caffeine and no alcohol.
Speaker 1: It's the whole concept of your body as a Temple.
Speaker 4: But I don't think there's anything written anywhere that says
Speaker 4: you have to have a child the time you're twenty one.
Speaker 4: I feel like someone just added that that end randomly.
Speaker 2: Like hold on, I actually I know that we're you know,
Speaker 2: we don't have all the time in the world. But
Speaker 2: I'm going to call somebody who is LDS at this
Speaker 2: current moment. I'm not going to reveal her name, but
Speaker 2: I do need to ask about this twenty one thing. Hello. Hey,
Speaker 2: I know this is totally random. You're on air and
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use your name, Okay, but I
Speaker 2: have do you do I have permission to broadcast your
Speaker 2: voice on to this podcast that I'm doing with Emily
Speaker 2: on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Okay, okay, great.
Speaker 2: Is there anything in the doctrine that says that you
Speaker 2: have to have a child by the time you're twenty one? No, okay,
Speaker 2: definitely not true.
Speaker 5: Never said anywhere, nothing, and it never says anything that
Speaker 5: you can have one kid, no kid anything. It just
Speaker 5: says multiply and repunished and find joy in your poster
Speaker 5: so like find joying your kids, but never saying that
Speaker 5: you have to or at a certain age or anything
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 2: Is there rules of no more than one piercing?
Speaker 5: Now there was a rule back in the day, like
Speaker 5: it wasn't really a rule. Our propit came out and
Speaker 5: said that he suggested that we only had one piercing
Speaker 5: at a time. But that's now gone away.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you so much. We just wanted to clear
Speaker 2: it up because we don't want to just talk out
Speaker 2: of our butts. We want to actually have an idea
Speaker 2: of what we're discussing. I know the no coffee rule
Speaker 2: from all of our visitations together.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's the same thing. It's with the
Speaker 4: alcohol and the caffeine. It's not written. Is that actually
Speaker 4: written or is that that's not actual doctrine anywhere.
Speaker 2: So Emily's question is, if your body is a temple,
Speaker 2: is the no caffeine and no alcohol a the end
Speaker 2: of the doctrine or is that just something that everybody
Speaker 2: is deciding based on what's best for your body.
Speaker 5: It's kind of based off what's the best. They don't
Speaker 5: they don't come right out and say anything, and that's
Speaker 5: kind of what the the no piercing thing is about
Speaker 5: as well. Like back in the day, you know, like,
Speaker 5: are the church has a vault, right, it's not just
Speaker 5: like a local church. It's worldwide, so go to people
Speaker 5: who live in other countries. Like piercing and tattoos and
Speaker 5: things like that are expression of their their life, right,
Speaker 5: Like you get a lot of people that have tattoos
Speaker 5: and that.
Speaker 2: Shows who they are and it's expression of themselves they've
Speaker 2: gone through.
Speaker 5: So the church has definitely gone away from that. It's
Speaker 5: that's not how it is. And caffeine is never written
Speaker 5: in there. They say hot drinks again, that's that's like
Speaker 5: a gray area. I've talked to you about this a
Speaker 5: bunch where we're like, you guys can't drink coffee, but
Speaker 5: yet you can drink energy drinks. How does this make sense?
Speaker 5: And it and truly that doesn't. But there's things it's
Speaker 5: it definitely talks about being healthy all around, like keeping
Speaker 5: your body temple. Yes, so do things that are healthy.
Speaker 5: So it is definitely based off of like your own judgment.
Speaker 5: So people, there's a lot of members that I know
Speaker 5: that do drink coffee and they're incredible people, Like, that's
Speaker 5: not they're not saying like you have to do that
Speaker 5: to be a member of our church.
Speaker 2: That's not. It at all. It's just saying, hey.
Speaker 5: This is up to you. We suggest you don't overtake
Speaker 5: this or you don't take this. It does say no alcohol.
Speaker 5: That is one thing that it does say for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt Our producer would for sure not make it
Speaker 2: in because he drinks at least eleven cups of coffee
Speaker 2: a day and I don't know that it's making his
Speaker 2: body a temple, say anti temple. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: We just wanted to clear that up. I will call
Speaker 2: you when I'm off air, but thank you for We
Speaker 2: just wanted that information straight away, bye babe. Okay, so
Speaker 2: that does clear some things up, I think for us
Speaker 2: in general. But an episode one, which is entitled The
Speaker 2: Secret Book of Taylor Taylor, Frankie Paul is introduced. Mom
Speaker 2: Talks started off with four girls, Taylor, Whitney, Macy, and Michaela.
Speaker 2: They've been laying low since the scandal broke, but they
Speaker 2: decided to reunite. Macey twenty seven. She has a husband
Speaker 2: to kids, and she calls herself a bad bitch. She's
Speaker 2: complaining about her husband never initiating sex. I've had to
Speaker 2: scroll up to check who Macy is, even though we
Speaker 2: interviewed her last week.
Speaker 4: Macey would be the one I called Mikayla.
Speaker 2: Correct because she I guess she is. I guess she's
Speaker 2: a bad bitch. I mean, she's beautiful.
Speaker 1: But can you call yourself a bad bitch? I feel
Speaker 1: like other people should call you that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like when people call themselves the icons
Speaker 2: or queens.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I just feel like you can't. You can,
Speaker 4: other people can, but I don't think you can self
Speaker 4: proclaim that.
Speaker 2: And honestly, Macey, I'm here to tell you, I wish
Speaker 2: that my husband would not initiate sex as much as you.
Speaker 1: Well, she's twenty seven, that's the difference.
Speaker 2: I didn't really realize when I was going down this
Speaker 2: rabbit hole that Taylor went completely rogue by outing the
Speaker 2: soft swinging. I thought they kind of all shit was
Speaker 2: hitting the fan, and then she just started sharing her side.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize she just shared this the facts without
Speaker 2: letting her other mom talkers know.
Speaker 4: Okay, wait, I have to clarify something because this is
Speaker 4: where I don't know if I'm confused. When you watched
Speaker 4: the first episode and they introduced the eight women or whatever,
Speaker 4: and they talk about mom talk and these women be
Speaker 4: involved in it, and then they talk about the swinging scandal.
Speaker 4: These women on this show are not part of the
Speaker 4: swinging scandal. Is that correct? Taylor was a tailor? Well, Taylor, yes,
Speaker 4: because she admits to it. She's the one that goes rogue.
Speaker 4: She's the one. But all the other women that are
Speaker 4: a focus on this particular show are not involved in it.
Speaker 2: Right I do not actually know the answer to that question.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them are probably not or are.
Speaker 4: They just denying it right now, because as far as
Speaker 4: the first episode, it sounds to me as if none
Speaker 4: of the other women were involved.
Speaker 1: It was only Taylor.
Speaker 2: I can say this. There were two blonds that might
Speaker 2: have been sisters. Don't quote me, but originally that were
Speaker 2: a part of mom talk that I think one was pregnant,
Speaker 2: one wasn't. And I think that was the couple that
Speaker 2: was fully doing it. But I find it very hard
Speaker 2: to believe if you're in a full swinging circle that
Speaker 2: other people aren't swinging. Like, if I'm just putting it
Speaker 2: up me, you, Gina and Tamara all hanging out, I'm
Speaker 2: doubting that two of you are swinging and the other
Speaker 2: two of us are twiddling our fingers.
Speaker 4: So you think that they just don't want to own
Speaker 4: up to it right now. Maybe something would be revealed
Speaker 4: later in later episodes.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're probably twiddling something else. But I do
Speaker 2: know that once we see Taylor, she has her new boyfriend.
Speaker 2: She was with somebody named what was his name, Tate.
Speaker 2: I thought she said Taint for a second, and I
Speaker 2: was like, that's a rough name, Tate.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: So she was with Tate. That's who she had her
Speaker 2: two kids with. Now she's with Dakota. This is a
Speaker 2: new boyfriend they have. They have trust issues already. Taylor
Speaker 2: can't decide if she should be single or not, considering
Speaker 2: her divorce was finalized one month ago. Taylor, I realize
Speaker 2: that you're now pregnant, but I could give you the
Speaker 2: answer to that question. You should be single.
Speaker 1: You should be single.
Speaker 4: I like how they have trust issues when you slide
Speaker 4: into the woman's DMS who cheated on her husband by
Speaker 4: having a swinging scandal going on and she crossed the lines,
Speaker 4: and then you slide into her DMS and want a dater,
Speaker 4: But then you're you're concerned about trust, like.
Speaker 2: But also why do you slide into somebody's DMS? That's drinking,
Speaker 2: partying and potentially a swinger. If you're sober, it just doesn't.
Speaker 4: And and you want someone to be faithful and not
Speaker 4: drink like I feel like he that was the wrong
Speaker 4: DM to slide into.
Speaker 2: It seemed like he wants to get it in, and
Speaker 2: it appears that he still wants to get it in
Speaker 2: as we continue on through this episode, because we see
Speaker 2: throughout the scenes of the upcoming episodes that other people
Speaker 2: are sliding into his DMS. And I got to just
Speaker 2: tell you this, not in a mean way. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be sliding into Dakota's DMS. No, no, thank you.
Speaker 1: He did nothing for me.
Speaker 2: He didn't. He's no jow no.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he had a guitar.
Speaker 2: Then Macy reveals that Whitney is moving back to Utah.
Speaker 2: She was part of the og Mom Talk and liked
Speaker 2: to be the leader of the clan.
Speaker 4: We've got it looks like we've got two that want
Speaker 4: to be the queen the queen Bee. So there's clearly
Speaker 4: going to be issues in the in the in the if.
Speaker 2: You were in the group, who would you rather be
Speaker 2: your queen Bee, Taylor or Whitney.
Speaker 4: Well, Taylor, I think is complete ding Dong, but I
Speaker 4: find her entertaining. Whitney just annoys me, and I so.
Speaker 2: Was so punishable. I don't know, I don't really know
Speaker 2: what it is about her, Like I'm like, you bug
Speaker 2: me so much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it's just that first scene and
Speaker 4: they're just they're moving back from Hawaii.
Speaker 2: But Whitney's also the one dancing with her child in
Speaker 2: the niic you so maybe that was Yes, that was Whitney.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 2: That's when she had the matching extensions with the other girls.
Speaker 2: But now she has the bob cut, like you know,
Speaker 2: when you get over your extensions and you have no hair,
Speaker 2: so then you just cut it short. Anyway, fresh in Hawaii.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but when they show past videos, she has dark hair.
Speaker 4: Then when she walks into the kitchen web the house
Speaker 4: they rented, she's platinum, and then five minutes later she
Speaker 4: has red hair.
Speaker 2: Well it's because they're going through a crisis. Well, anyways,
Speaker 2: they're back in Utah. We're in the mom content house
Speaker 2: where the moms are filming a new dancing video. But
Speaker 2: Tailor isn't there, and clearly neither of the two sisters
Speaker 2: that were originally involved in the swinging situation. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they were actually involved, but they were two
Speaker 2: of my favorites. I don't know why they're not on
Speaker 2: the show. Maybe they're more active members and they don't
Speaker 2: want to piss off the church. But when Taylor goes
Speaker 2: to her mom's house, she starts breaking the news that
Speaker 2: she has a new boyfriend. Taylor's mom is openly against
Speaker 2: her dating in Dakota. She commented a red flag emoji.
Speaker 2: I love a mom like this, you know what I
Speaker 2: really do? She commented a red flag emoji on Taylor's
Speaker 2: TikTok post that featured him. Leanne tells Taylor she's done
Speaker 2: a lot of bad things that have made her look
Speaker 2: extremely bad. Taylor won't speak to her church leaders because
Speaker 2: she's scared she'll get excommunicated. I'm like, if you didn't
Speaker 2: get excommunicated for swinging, I'm pretty sure they're pretty free
Speaker 2: going with what they're going to excommunicate.
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like she's probably been excommunicated. She just
Speaker 1: doesn't know yet. She just like didn't get her mail
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: But also, like, what did her mom expect after the
Speaker 2: soft swinging incident? All over mom talk?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, but Okay, I felt like the
Speaker 4: conversation between her and her mom it felt weird to me.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like a mom daughter conversation.
Speaker 2: No, But it's probably because her mom scares me, mostly
Speaker 2: because she's cutting Apple's raw dog on the counter without
Speaker 2: a without a cutting board, Like who what kind of
Speaker 2: wild person? Like these are new countertops and you're just
Speaker 2: going for it Like that really made me nervous.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I just felt like I felt like
Speaker 4: the conversation was lacking any empathy of emotion. I just
Speaker 4: felt and maybe they've had that conversation multiple times and
Speaker 4: then when they have to redo it for the camera,
Speaker 4: it just comes off flat because you know they've had
Speaker 4: this conversation. But I just was I didn't feel anything from.
Speaker 1: It other than she's like, you're stupid. Well know what.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of And I know you
Speaker 2: don't watch other housewife shows, which it's kind of bothersome
Speaker 2: considering that's my living on the other side. But is
Speaker 2: Monica and her mom, and I believe that Monica from
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, her mom was also LDS. But the
Speaker 2: way that she just was like, you're stupid, You're you're dumb,
Speaker 2: You're like, you know all of these things, but like
Speaker 2: clearly we don't make some of our decisions in life
Speaker 2: without things that we're emulating from our parents. Do you agree,
Speaker 2: I mean some of the things emulating or rebelling from right,
Speaker 2: But then we're back at I love that it's called
Speaker 2: the mom Talk House, Like could we.
Speaker 4: Go yes, Like, okay, let me ask a question about that.
Speaker 4: So there's so much in this episode. I can talk
Speaker 4: about it for hours and hours. Do they all rent
Speaker 4: this house?
Speaker 1: Like how don't that work?
Speaker 2: Well? I don't know. I don't imagine houses in Utah
Speaker 2: are like crazy expensive for rentals because I mean, every
Speaker 2: one of the girls that I've gone to in Utah's
Speaker 2: house they are like mansions.
Speaker 4: I guess my point is they get together and they
Speaker 4: all lease this house and then they share. It's like
Speaker 4: a YouTube house, like like there they all pay he
Speaker 4: rents for it for or you probably rent it by
Speaker 4: the hour or something.
Speaker 2: Do you do that? Like no, I don't, but like
Speaker 2: the house behind me is a YouTube house. They don't
Speaker 2: live there. They film content in the house. We only
Speaker 2: hear from we a like that randomly on like a
Speaker 2: Saturday from like two to six pm. There's like music
Speaker 2: and noise and like drones and stuff like that. So
Speaker 2: they go and film content there, but they don't live
Speaker 2: there because they don't want all like the excess there.
Speaker 2: But okay, the original girl, her name was Miranda. Taylor
Speaker 2: called out Miranda on TikTok because Miranda said she was
Speaker 2: offered the show and declined, but Taylor says, Miranda said
Speaker 2: she'd only do the show if Taylor wasn't on it,
Speaker 2: And well, apparently they show's Taylor, which who wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean the police footage alone.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so good. Then we get to Jesse.
Speaker 2: She's thirty. She's built a hair empire in Utah. Then
Speaker 2: her billboard is jizz. That's right, it's so good. Then
Speaker 2: we've got another mom to meet. She reveals she was
Speaker 2: at these parties where the other couple see this is
Speaker 2: where it gets tricky, where the other couples were swinging,
Speaker 2: but she didn't know what was happening. Her husband, Brett,
Speaker 2: got weird vibes from the other men.
Speaker 4: This is where I get how do you not know
Speaker 4: what's happening? If this whole concept of soft swinging is
Speaker 4: your switching partners and you're doing everything but actual penetration.
Speaker 4: How do you not know what's going on?
Speaker 2: Well, because it's apparently very quiet to just stick it
Speaker 2: in and not pump.
Speaker 4: But but if you're I mean, what do you think
Speaker 4: it's gonna hear if someone's getting a blowjob?
Speaker 1: How do you not know?
Speaker 2: You can't. You can't penetrate in any I thought you could.
Speaker 1: But she I thought. She clarified later that you could
Speaker 1: do everything.
Speaker 2: Except No, no, absolutely not. There's nothing that no friction,
Speaker 2: not oral sex, No, definitely not oral sex.
Speaker 1: Then so what are they doing? They're just making out.
Speaker 2: They're making out, and then they just stick it in
Speaker 2: and rest it there.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna tell me that you're at this party
Speaker 1: you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: That's my point. This just feels like bullshit. And I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 4: You're just walking around at a party and someone put
Speaker 4: their penises and someone's vagina that doesn't belong to them,
Speaker 4: and they're just standing there and you don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, your husband's missing with the hottest
Speaker 2: girl in the group for hours and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: and then my other friend's jumping from bed to bed
Speaker 2: to create some sort of movement. But don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think these girls are having too many
Speaker 2: jellow shots. They're getting wild. According to possibly, Macie may
Speaker 2: have said this at BYU, this is like what is
Speaker 2: kind of learned behavior?
Speaker 1: But I feel like that.
Speaker 4: But I feel like the soft swinging thing is just
Speaker 4: something that someone made up by entirely different rules that
Speaker 4: have to do with couples and not necessarily the church.
Speaker 2: I agree. I don't think it's a church thing. I
Speaker 2: think it's just I think.
Speaker 4: We need Taylor to come on and we need to
Speaker 4: ask her. I want detailed information about these soft swinging parties.
Speaker 2: If you think I haven't already slid into Taylor's DMS
Speaker 2: and saw a scene and she didn't respond, then you
Speaker 2: have another thing coming, like.
Speaker 1: Is she's ghosting you? Is she not replying to you?
Speaker 2: I think we might have to offer cash monies for
Speaker 2: her to be on. Then. Demi is twenty nine, her
Speaker 2: husband is forty six. She tells everyone that Taylor was
Speaker 2: flirting with Brett at one of these parties and she
Speaker 2: almost lost it. According to Kendall, one of our other producers,
Speaker 2: she says that Brett's the hottest.
Speaker 1: H I don't know. I haven't really seen the men yet.
Speaker 4: Oh I have other than Dakota and Whitney's husband, who
Speaker 4: that's a whole nother conversation.
Speaker 1: You can just save that for later.
Speaker 2: Then we get back to Leanne's house. She's criticizing Taylor's
Speaker 2: taste in men. We find out Dakota is a recovering
Speaker 2: addict who almost died from a fentanyl overdose. Taylor breaks
Speaker 2: the news that she needs to take a pregnancy test tonight.
Speaker 2: Her mom calls her stupid. She's pissed off of the
Speaker 2: bad decisions Taylor continues to make. She gets up and
Speaker 2: walks away from her daughter.
Speaker 4: Okay, do you think she really needs to take a
Speaker 4: pregnancy test or is this a reality? So, like, I
Speaker 4: already know I'm pregnant, but I'm going to take a test.
Speaker 2: I think one million percent She's like already knows she's pregnant,
Speaker 2: and we find out later what ends up happening with
Speaker 2: the first baby. But like, I don't think she's I
Speaker 2: don't think you're like, hmm, maybe I should take one
Speaker 2: and kind of going from there. But I do think
Speaker 2: that Dakota has a lot of red flags. And I
Speaker 2: also wonder why, if you're we're just within a couple
Speaker 2: of years, you're swinging, you're doing all these things, why
Speaker 2: you'd want to rush into having another baby with a
Speaker 2: sober person that recently had an overdose from fentanyl.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like the best plan.
Speaker 2: Listen, I make a lot of mistakes, but this seems
Speaker 2: like a mistake.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 4: It seems like a disaster about to happen. But it's
Speaker 4: one that we're going to be watching, which is.
Speaker 1: Why Teddy cannot wait until the next episode.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I can't. The fact that I couldn't
Speaker 2: watch the second episode really upset me. Then we're back
Speaker 2: at Jesse's house aka the mom taught Content House for
Speaker 2: the day. Whitney is moving back today, but there's a
Speaker 2: rumor going around that her husband was on Tinder. They
Speaker 2: think this is why she moved to Hawaii in the
Speaker 2: first place. Whitney may have moved to a wife for tender,
Speaker 2: but she's definitely moving back to Salt Lake City to
Speaker 2: be on this television show. Let's way just very clear.
Speaker 1: I just said that to Shane. I was like, okay.
Speaker 4: And then there's this other girl named Whitney, but apparently
Speaker 4: she lived in Hawaii for two months, but now miraculously
Speaker 4: she is back in.
Speaker 1: Utah, just in time to film a reality show.
Speaker 2: Just because she we already heard she wanted to be
Speaker 2: the top Dog, which I don't know. We see the
Speaker 2: conversation between Whitney and her husband. She's starting to get emotional.
Speaker 2: She's excited. I don't know if excited, sorry, but she's
Speaker 2: looking forward to sharing it with the group.
Speaker 4: The tender Scandal. Yeah, okay, let me back up a
Speaker 4: minute because I have something else to say. First of all,
Speaker 4: when they moved into this new house and they had
Speaker 4: a bottle of champagne, do you remember that part?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I do, And they were like the real estate agent
Speaker 4: gave a champagne or whatever. This really struck me because
Speaker 4: I am married to a man who is active LDS
Speaker 4: and who has not drank any alcohol his entire life. Never,
Speaker 4: never a drop of alcohol. They moved back into this
Speaker 4: house in Utah, there's a bottle of champagne. They both
Speaker 4: say that they've never had alcohol their entire life. Yet
Speaker 4: there's a camera crew in the kitchen and they both
Speaker 4: take a swig of champagne.
Speaker 2: I mean, how.
Speaker 1: Easily they just whatever convictions they had that they that
Speaker 1: they lived by. How easily they just threw those out
Speaker 1: the window the minute there's a camera crew there.
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a clear sign that there
Speaker 2: might be some people on this show that are fibbing
Speaker 2: or stretching the truth.
Speaker 4: So you think maybe they drank and they're just pretending
Speaker 4: like they hadn't and they're just I.
Speaker 2: Think they all I think they grew okay. So I
Speaker 2: think this group came together as I don't think they
Speaker 2: were all friends originally, and I don't think they all
Speaker 2: met in the church. They all met because they had
Speaker 2: big followers on TikTok or whatever they wanted to capitalize
Speaker 2: on making money, like you should go down like the
Speaker 2: Ruby frank of it all. Like just I think there
Speaker 2: was like a big stage of like youtubing and all
Speaker 2: of this, and these girls took advantage of it and
Speaker 2: then they just all kind of went buck wild. But
Speaker 2: then we get into Whitney's car. She's moved it back
Speaker 2: into town. They're boxes, she's thirty, She's ready to be
Speaker 2: back with her mom taught girls. She wants before she
Speaker 2: starts to discuss the conversation she's gonna have with the girls,
Speaker 2: but beforehand, Whitney and Michaela are meeting Taylor for brunch.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, why do I have empathy for Taylor?
Speaker 4: Because well because because when Whitney and Michayla are talking, well,
Speaker 4: first of all, they talk up a big game before
Speaker 4: Taylor got there. They're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna I'm
Speaker 4: gonna let her have it. Then I like when she
Speaker 4: walks up and they're like, hey.
Speaker 2: Girl, hey girl, you're looking hot. Now. Oh let me
Speaker 2: feel teddy.
Speaker 1: Oh you're the Oh my gosh, your boobs looks so good.
Speaker 1: I love your hair.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, yeah, I was like, y'all are
Speaker 2: all full of shit. But they're nervous to be reunited
Speaker 2: with Taylor, so I'm thinking this is the first time
Speaker 2: they've seen Taylor since all of the the mom talk
Speaker 2: of it all. Then Whitney confronts Taylor for posting that
Speaker 2: video and forcing her friends to no longer trust her.
Speaker 2: Taylor doesn't think it's fair that all these moms are
Speaker 2: coming for her, crying about the scandal ruining their lives,
Speaker 2: and shortly after they'll post a TikTok making fun of
Speaker 2: the situation to gain clout.
Speaker 1: I agreed.
Speaker 4: You can't act like you're sad about something and that
Speaker 4: someone did you wrong when you literally took that or
Speaker 4: changed it and threw it back out there and got
Speaker 4: yourself more followers. So clearly you didn't have a problem
Speaker 4: with it. I mean, you capitalized from it.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry. If we're gonna have problems with things,
Speaker 2: I need to point out something that was blatantly obvious
Speaker 2: to me. We can't brush over the fact that when
Speaker 2: Michaela was sixteen she met Jace and he was twenty one. Yes, then,
Speaker 2: now we're at the Whitney in Connor's house sitting down
Speaker 2: and talk about the tender scanner. Connor breaks down talking
Speaker 2: about what he did to Whitney. Connor talks about having
Speaker 2: a problem, and Whitney decided she doesn't want to keep
Speaker 2: lying about this. But then they make it seem like
Speaker 2: it's a porn problem. So is it a porn problem
Speaker 2: or a cheating problem, or is it tender or what
Speaker 2: are we really working with?
Speaker 1: Okay, I have so many questions about this. Can we
Speaker 1: just break it down a little bit further?
Speaker 4: First of all, she lied about it at first, right,
Speaker 4: They made it like it was a joke, like someone
Speaker 4: posted on Facebook and it was like a joke. It
Speaker 4: was pictures from high school. Haha, he doesn't really have
Speaker 4: a tender account. Then she comes clean and she's like,
Speaker 4: he does have a tender account, and he's had a
Speaker 4: tender account. Apparently the entire marriage is, what she said,
Speaker 4: not just like a one time isolated event. She admits that,
Speaker 4: like it's been basically through the whole marriage.
Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you if my husband, if I
Speaker 2: found his tender account, I'd just move him right out
Speaker 2: of the house. We wouldn't need to move into the
Speaker 2: new Salt Lake City house or go to Hawaii for restructure,
Speaker 2: Like we'd just actually be done.
Speaker 4: But she then she goes on to say that he
Speaker 4: never actually met up with any of these women. And
Speaker 4: I'm putting women in quotations because maybe because clearly maybe
Speaker 4: he didn't actually meet up with women, and I don't.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot to unpack here.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to impact one, including that I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily think that Whitney is being transparent with what she's
Speaker 2: going through. And nothing bugs me more than half transparency.
Speaker 2: It's fine if you want to give a part, like
Speaker 2: if you either want to come clean and be like,
Speaker 2: this is my shit show of a life which we
Speaker 2: all have, all of us EBB and flow with that.
Speaker 2: But she's coming forward with half truths, and that bothers
Speaker 2: me a lot.
Speaker 4: What do you think the half truth is that he
Speaker 4: did something on tender but there's probably more to the story. Like,
Speaker 4: she's telling this story and she's getting sympathy, but she's
Speaker 4: not being one hundred percent transparent about all the things
Speaker 4: that he's done.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's being transparent about the things that
Speaker 2: he's done. But I don't think she's being transparent about
Speaker 2: the things that she's done either. I don't think her
Speaker 2: first sip of alcohol was when she bought the new
Speaker 2: house and she had one sip of champagne from her
Speaker 2: broker's opening, Like, I don't think so. I think she's
Speaker 2: doing jello shots and maybe soaking with one of the
Speaker 2: other husbands, Like, let's just be clear. Then we get
Speaker 2: to after Whitney's confession to Sailor, Taylor decides to make
Speaker 2: her announcement she was pregnant, but she either miscarried her
Speaker 2: or had an ec topic pregnancy. Whitney hates it. Taylor, Okay,
Speaker 2: this this we see in Housewives a lot when two
Speaker 2: people share a story that's very dramatic to them, but
Speaker 2: nobody's really listening to what the other person says. They
Speaker 2: just want to get out their story because.
Speaker 4: They're just waiting for the other person to stop talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like a zip it so I can tell
Speaker 2: you what my news. So I guess you like, we
Speaker 2: already know that your husband's been a cheater, but now
Speaker 2: I need to tell you that I told my mom
Speaker 2: that I was pregnant with the guy that I met
Speaker 2: swinging that had a fentanyl addiction that slid in too
Speaker 2: my DMS. That's slid in to my DMS. And I'm
Speaker 2: the head doog. So everybody's going to care more about
Speaker 2: my story. So that happens. We get through it. Then
Speaker 2: we get back into me being confused. Because Dakota feels
Speaker 2: that the church has saved him from his past addiction.
Speaker 2: He tells Taylor Taylor he can't be with her if
Speaker 2: she continues to party and drink alcohol, and her confessional
Speaker 2: she says this may be an issue. Then they then
Speaker 2: she goes, I'm just going to go out on one
Speaker 2: last girl's night. Then we hear a recorded nine to
Speaker 2: one to one phone call. Someone has called to report
Speaker 2: domestic violence, saying a woman is screaming get off of
Speaker 2: me in a nearby house. Then the body can footage
Speaker 2: the police officers shown Taylor screaming. Coda tells the policeman
Speaker 2: that she's hammered. She tries to tell them Dakota as two,
Speaker 2: but he says he's sober. Taylor claims he threw her
Speaker 2: in the garage, and Dakota says that's because she was
Speaker 2: attacking him and throwing the chairs at him. Taylor tells
Speaker 2: the police she peeded herself because she was so scared
Speaker 2: of Takoda. She claims he pushed her and that's why
Speaker 2: she threw things at him. The officer puts Taylor under
Speaker 2: arrest for domestic violence. What were the hard part to
Speaker 2: really reconcile here is we know that the two kids
Speaker 2: are in the house, she's just found out she's miscarried
Speaker 2: or had an ectopic pregnancy, and then we go into
Speaker 2: the rest of the season and we end up finding
Speaker 2: out that these two end up together and she ends
Speaker 2: up pregnant. Taylor talks about being arrested and she wasn't.
Speaker 2: So this nine one one incident happened not when she
Speaker 2: was pregnant. This is when they were first dating, right. No,
Speaker 2: this nine one one incident happened right after she had
Speaker 2: the first either miscarriage or the a topic pregnancy.
Speaker 1: So this nine one one footage happened while she was
Speaker 1: filming the show.
Speaker 5: Then.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's while she was filming the show,
Speaker 2: but it was. They had it was, I mean from
Speaker 2: what I had seen on TikTok, they had gone out,
Speaker 2: she decided she was going to go to this concert
Speaker 2: with her girlfriends. She came home, he was with the kids.
Speaker 2: They got into this fight. They were throwing stuff at
Speaker 2: each other. The kids were awake. Neither of them called
Speaker 2: nine when one the neighbor did.
Speaker 1: The neighbor did, Yeah, I heard the phone call from it.
Speaker 2: I mean, all of it's really kind of actually sad
Speaker 2: when you break it down.
Speaker 4: Well, it's sad because you know, the kid's witnessed this,
Speaker 4: and I guess she was arrested because the chair actually
Speaker 4: hit a child or just came close to hitting a child.
Speaker 2: She was arrested, I believe, and allegedly because there was
Speaker 2: actually marks on Dakota from her and there was a
Speaker 2: kid that was like, and this was in February of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and then so she was arrested in
Speaker 2: February seventeenth. Authorities charged her with aggravated assault, two counts
Speaker 2: of domestic violence in the presence of a child, child
Speaker 2: aboose with injury, and a criminal mischief according to police
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City County. And then coming up this season,
Speaker 2: we see Taylor talks about being arrested. We're gonna see
Speaker 2: her pregnant again. There's a fight who will be Queen
Speaker 2: Bee of mom talk. You're either team Taylor, team Whitney.
Speaker 2: But it seems to me, it seems like all these
Speaker 2: friendships are fake anyways, and they're doing this for money,
Speaker 2: which really kind of sums up this Salt Lake City
Speaker 2: perfection of women who are trying to like, there's a
Speaker 2: something that I saw where the women say, our job
Speaker 2: in life is just so of these men.
Speaker 4: So you think these are just all women that are
Speaker 4: trying to break from that stereo type of serving man
Speaker 4: or being and trying to create their own identity, and
Speaker 4: they're doing it through this mom talk. Like clearly they're
Speaker 4: not a group of friends like Inluencer, right, they are
Speaker 4: a group of influencers who had a lot of followers
Speaker 4: on TikTok. So then I'm sure they all reached out
Speaker 4: to each other got together so they could build more
Speaker 4: followers from each other. So you know you're not talking
Speaker 4: about deep rooted friendships here.
Speaker 2: No, And now what they're going to do is they're
Speaker 2: going to fight for famous who is going to be
Speaker 2: the most popular of the secret wives of Mormon lives.
Speaker 2: And I hate to be the bearer of bad news,
Speaker 2: but at this point it's Taylor, which was the same
Speaker 2: one as TikTok. And so we continue on until the
Speaker 2: next episode and until the next episode. Thanks you guys
Speaker 2: for tuning in to another episode of Popping Off. Please
Speaker 2: share with us your favorites, any high takes, any information
Speaker 2: that you have on the LDS church, because we did
Speaker 2: have an inside source today, but I do feel like
Speaker 2: we are always willing and open to get in more information.
Speaker 2: And Emily, please make sure Shane is watching.
Speaker 1: No I am.
Speaker 4: He hasn't watched the first episode yet, but I told
Speaker 4: him he needs to watch the episodes because I do
Speaker 4: enjoy his perspective. Well we need it, yes, we need it.
Speaker 4: So we'll get Shane's perspective on this as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I will talk to you next week then, Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks for listening, Bye guys.