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Speaker 1: As a late fifteen to ten touchdown Chargers.

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Speaker 2: Well, guys, lots has changed since we were last on

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Speaker 2: this podcast. Welcome into a week sixteen edition of Chargers

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Speaker 2: Weekly as always, joined by Matt Muddy, Smith and Money.

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Speaker 2: Chargers lose sixty three to twenty one last Thursday, and

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Speaker 2: obviously you knew that there was probably going to be

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Speaker 2: changes after that game. Head coach Brandon Staley, general manager

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Speaker 2: Tom Telesco dismissed from their roles and we moved forward

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Speaker 2: with a new interim head coach and Gift Smith and

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Speaker 2: Jojo wooden't going to be the interim GM moving forward

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Speaker 2: with Buffalo on Saturday. And it was a shocking result.

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Speaker 2: It was a shocking performance, and really I don't think

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Speaker 1: No, it's stains. You know, we've had coach Dale on,

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Speaker 1: We've had coach you know, we've had Tom Telesco on.

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Speaker 1: You know, known Tom since since I was hired in

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and they're great people. And I believe, you know,

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Speaker 1: Brandon's a great coach and he's going to get another opportunity.

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Speaker 1: But I think you put it perfectly. It was just

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Speaker 1: you couldn't move forward with them. The conversation surrounding the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't have been fair to the players. It wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been fair to the other coaches. It wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: been fair to Dean Spanos, to John Spanos to continue

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Speaker 1: asking questions of how can you allow him to coach

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Speaker 1: this team after what we saw, after a historic game

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Speaker 1: where the Raiders scored moth the most points in franchise history,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers allowed the most points in franchise history, and

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Speaker 1: they did it in front of a national audience on

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Speaker 1: a standalone game. It's just much knowing what I think

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Speaker 1: we all figured a couple of weeks ago about this team,

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Speaker 1: that there were going to be changes. You might as

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Speaker 1: well just move forward with this new group of people,

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Speaker 1: con has changed. It's changed to who's next, Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: you know, and the process and speculating, you know, which

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Speaker 1: it move forward with this game against Buffalo, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure a group that takes a lot of pride in

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Speaker 1: its effort this entire season because they fought till the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but we were just saying, I think this the

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Speaker 2: dam broke, right, the pipes burst. There were so many

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Speaker 2: close games over the last couple of years, specifically this year,

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Speaker 2: these three point losses, these last second losses that were crushing.

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Speaker 2: Yet this team still got up off the mat and

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Speaker 2: you know, they were in every game this year, and

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Speaker 2: I think it just it came to a head. I

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Speaker 2: the effort to the execution to you know, you have

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Speaker 2: go back to Jacksonville and Money. We talked about Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: going to be successful. It felt like the offense regressed

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Speaker 2: And now we're here in the last three weeks, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all out there.

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Speaker 1: So I'll start with with sort of where you started

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Speaker 1: He's a good defensive coach. The problem, I think the

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Speaker 1: And that's how things like this against the Raiders happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's very difficult because these are people

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Speaker 2: I was at the facility Friday and it's just you

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Speaker 2: and it's not a great feeling, especially around the holidays.

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Speaker 2: But this is the profession where you have to win.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's it's a results base business. And I'll

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Speaker 2: say this about Tom. You know, you mentioned it. The

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Speaker 1: Where let alone three I mean you know what I mean, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So you know, I know wherever Todd goes, he's going

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Speaker 2: So before we get into twenty twenty four and what

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Speaker 2: three weeks, money, what do you want to see on

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Speaker 2: Who do we want to see developed? Because I think

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Speaker 1: That's a great point, and I think there so I

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Speaker 1: think there's there's two questions in there, Chris. One, are

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Speaker 1: so schematically, I don't I don't think you're going to

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Speaker 1: whenever they dialed up that blitz, and even if it

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Speaker 1: was a run blitz, it was just perfect. If it's

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Speaker 1: tarn Johnson or Taylor Rapp, it was just perfect. The timing,

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Speaker 1: the reading of the snap count just very buttoned up group.

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Speaker 1: And so that brings me to what the Chargers this week, Chris,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just start with I was very surprised that

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Speaker 1: there was not a lot, that there was not more RPO,

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Speaker 1: that there was not more design quarterback runs for East

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Speaker 1: and Stick Kellen Moore, because they're they're going to have

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Speaker 1: to have it. You're going to have to try to

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Speaker 1: get this defense on their heels, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: how else you do that then by using Eastern stick

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Speaker 1: as a weapon with his feet and trying to get

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Speaker 1: more of the RPOs and more of more mesh opportunities

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Speaker 1: in there between he and Isaiah.

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Speaker 2: So money. Obviously a lot of speculation as to who

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Speaker 2: the Chargers should pursue in terms of Hey coach and

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Speaker 2: a general manager. All the speculative names Bill Belichick Jim Harball,

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Speaker 2: who has a college football playoff game to play, and

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Speaker 2: Belichick has a season to finish. I think that there

476
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Speaker 2: is a I don't want to say a majority, but

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Speaker 2: I'm in this camp that the Chargers need to identify

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Speaker 2: a head coach with previous head coaching experience, somebody who

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Speaker 2: commands ultimate respect, who has won. Keep in mind, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna be in a division with Sean Payton and Andy

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Speaker 2: Reid and who knows who the Raiders will hire, So

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Speaker 2: as far as the head coach is concerned, you know,

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Speaker 2: you could talk about those names. I would, and John

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Speaker 2: Spanna said this it's gonna be an exhaustive process. There's

485
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Speaker 2: gonna be no cap on you know what they will

486
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Speaker 2: do to find the appropriate head coach. And I think

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Speaker 2: that you have to look far and wide. Man Belichick

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Speaker 2: and Hardball. That's those are the two speculative names. I

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Speaker 2: would give up a draft pick if I needed to

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Speaker 2: for a guy. Right, you know, you see who's out there?

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Speaker 2: Does Brabil want to coach somewhere else? Is Mike Tomlin

492
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Speaker 2: being ran out of Pittsburgh? We don't know, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of things to consider, and

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Speaker 2: a lot that needs to unfold when this search finally

495
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Speaker 2: ends here in January. But that's that's kind of the

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Speaker 2: feeling I have is that the first time head coaches.

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Speaker 2: They've tried it the last three times with McCoy, with

498
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Speaker 2: Coach Lane and Coach Staley, and they've had mixed results.

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Speaker 2: I think this time, especially now that justin Herbert's rookie

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Speaker 2: window is closed, you have to win. They have to

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Speaker 2: retool this roster immediately, and you know, next year maybe

502
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Speaker 2: a little bit of a transitional year in terms of personnel,

503
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Speaker 2: but they got to get an experienced guy in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: So yeah for me, I and doing you know, the

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Speaker 1: radio show, and doing the podcast with or the TV

506
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Speaker 1: show with low Neil for Valleys, that the Believe Show,

507
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: and just even just walking around, you know, not that

508
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm some sort of celebrity, but people recognize me Charger.

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Speaker 3: I shouldn't say people, you.

510
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: Are a celebrity, money, you are a celebrity.

511
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Speaker 3: Chargers.

512
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Speaker 1: Fans recognize me. And there is one name that that

513
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: is so far ahead of all others. Like it's when

514
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: I say it's twenty to one, it might be fifty

515
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Speaker 1: to one. The name that I hear and I think

516
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Speaker 1: it's because it lines up and it's Jim Harbaugh. It

517
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Speaker 1: lines up. There's history with the organization. You know, when

518
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Speaker 1: he was made the head coach, his first time ever

519
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Speaker 1: being a head coach at the University of San Diego,

520
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: he used to hang out at the facility. He's close. Obviously,

521
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: he's a former Charger player. You know, there's a good

522
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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Neil pointed out, he's like Harbaugh was at the

523
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Speaker 1: facility all the time when he was at San Diego,

524
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Speaker 1: constantly picking the brains of coaches and US players and

525
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: stuff about how so there is there is a familiarity,

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Speaker 1: there is a kinship, there's a friendship between this organization

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00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and coach and coach Harbaugh. And and I'm I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure he was part and he was considered when they

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Speaker 1: hired Anthony Lynn. I do believe his name was kicked

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Speaker 1: around and was vetted and was evaluated. So it's not

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Speaker 1: like there that like this is a foreign territory and

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Speaker 1: there's some sort of Johnny come lately to Harbaugh because

533
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: of what he's done at Michigan. I think they've recognized

534
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: his coaching brilliance. You know, six years ago when they

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Speaker 1: thought about making him the next head coach after Mike McCoy.

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Speaker 1: You know, you talk about experience, Chris, and you think

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Speaker 1: about those three coaches that you just mentioned. Look at

538
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: the two coaches before North Turner previous head coaching experience

539
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: takes them to the AFC Championship, Marty Schottenheimer previous head

540
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: coaching experience fourteen and two. Like there is something to that.

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Speaker 1: And the third thing you said, you need a winner,

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Speaker 1: Like to me, I just feel like this this era

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00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: of Charger football has been defined by losing, by how

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Speaker 1: they lost games. And so when that new face walks

545
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Speaker 1: through that door, I would like for it to be

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Speaker 1: associated with Mike Tomlin, Super Bowl champion, Bill Belichick, six

547
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Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion, Jim Harbaugh forty four and whatever

548
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Speaker 1: he was in San Francisco forty four and thirteen or something.

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Speaker 1: You know, Apps made Stanford the top power in the

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Speaker 1: Pac twelve, Like it came in to a Stanford team

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Speaker 1: that had won one game and made them the most

552
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Speaker 1: physical ass kicking you do not want to playoffs on

553
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Speaker 1: Saturday team in the Pac twelve and ran Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: off to the NFL and ended USC like all of

555
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Speaker 1: those things, Like that's what walks through the door the

556
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Speaker 1: second he's announced as the head coach. Holy crap, This

557
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: dude made Stanford a power. This guy made us. He

558
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: quit because Toby Gerhardt ran on their throats, their chests,

559
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Speaker 1: their skulls, their freaking and humiliated him in the coliseum

560
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: to the point that Pete Carroll had to come up

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Speaker 1: to him after the game and say, what's your deal?

562
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: What's your Deal's exactly like, that's what you're hiring, and

563
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: you said it. I don't doubt and we've seen it right.

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Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, great head coach, has done great things in Miami,

565
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Speaker 1: Nick Siriann and we know him well, Shane Steich, and

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Speaker 1: there are so many examples of first time head coaches

567
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Speaker 1: that are doing great things. They're just they're not doing

568
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Speaker 1: it against Andy Reid, Sean Payton. And I've got to

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Speaker 1: believe the Raiders want Harball. I would be very surprised

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Speaker 1: if they didn't. They he likes John Gruden, Josh McDaniel's

571
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Speaker 1: ten million bucks a year. You know, Mark Davis is

572
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Speaker 1: not afraid to go get that guy. So I think

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Speaker 1: you're talking about probably another formidable head coach in Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas this offseason. So to me, I think all of

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Speaker 1: those names make sense. If for some reason Tennessee decides

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Speaker 1: it's time to move on from Vrabel, which I can envision.

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Speaker 1: I think he's just he's the he's the face of

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Speaker 1: that franchise. But if for some reason they decide that Tomlins,

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Speaker 1: the you know, is the problem, which again I can't

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Speaker 1: envision that, you know, then I think certainly they come

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Speaker 1: in to the conversation. Dan Quinn's interesting, you know, because

582
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Speaker 1: he's got head coaching experience. That's a tough one though.

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Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's borderline right. But I

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Speaker 1: do think, while I don't know, Ben Johnson may be

585
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Speaker 1: an incredible head coach, you know, Coach McDonald from Baltimore,

586
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: you know, the defensive corner might be an incredible head coach.

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00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: We just don't know, and I don't know. I don't

588
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Speaker 1: know how they'll carry themselves in front of a group

589
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Speaker 1: that has become so accustomed to losing tough games and

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Speaker 1: being associated with figuring out how to snatch defeat from

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Speaker 1: the hands of victory. I think it'd be super I

592
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: think it would be very valuable to have someone come

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Speaker 1: in and say, well, that's your issue, it's not my issue.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming in with this, so I intend to keep

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Speaker 1: this going. So you better get on board with me,

596
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: because this is how I operate, and this is what

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00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: my coaching resume says. I don't give a damn what

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Speaker 1: the logo on the side of your helmet or what

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00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: the name on the front of the jersey you think suggests,

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Speaker 1: because adding what it's suggest to me. So let's get

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Speaker 1: this thing right.

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Speaker 2: I know Ben Jonson is an amazing play caller. I

603
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: don't know if he's a CEO. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: he's a culture changer's that's the thing I think with

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Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel. The difference with Mike McDaniel is that he

606
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Speaker 2: literally grew up with the Shanahans, right, he knows what

607
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Speaker 2: that looks like. He grew with Mike, he grew with Kyle,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the first time head coach, I just

609
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Speaker 2: I get a little apprehensive because of what they've been through,

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Speaker 2: Like you said, the last several years. I know with

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Speaker 2: Jim Harball, I know what I'm getting. I'm getting a

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Speaker 2: guy who elevates the quarterback position. I get a guy

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Speaker 2: who has done it at different levels and it has

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Speaker 2: been to a Super Bowl, is about to play Nick

615
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Speaker 2: Saban in Alabama, and the Rose Bowl here, the street

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Speaker 2: here in a weekend change. And everywhere he's gone he's

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Speaker 2: had success. His players swear by him. They're tough, they're

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Speaker 2: tough minded team, they're physical. I mean, that's everything that

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Speaker 2: I think if you had a checklist for the charges

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Speaker 2: what they needed twenty twenty four, I think Jill Harball

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Speaker 2: checks off a lot of those boxes.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I'll just shaping there real quick. Chris. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The one thing I will say, and there's a reason

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Speaker 1: why he hasn't even though he's wanted to be a

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Speaker 1: head coach in the NFL. You know, he's a quirky personality,

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Speaker 1: and obviously he ran into some conflict at the forty

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Speaker 1: nine ers, and so I think if there is any

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Speaker 1: reason why maybe that does not come to fruition, I

629
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Speaker 1: think it's important to keep that in mind, that that

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00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: has always been something fair enough that's been attached to him.

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Speaker 1: That he can be quirky, he can make things uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's part of his plan. But you see with

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Speaker 1: Michigan how weird it got, even though he had kind

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Speaker 1: of resurrected that program, and got all this excitement and

635
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: yet felt like he was going to get fired, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he's now getting re upped.

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00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: And then they're like, well, wait a minute, you can't

638
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Speaker 1: keep interviewing for all these head coaching jobs in the NFL,

639
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and you've got to sign this letter. So I think

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Speaker 1: it's important to keep that. As exciting as it might be,

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Speaker 1: it's important to keep that in context or keep that

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Speaker 1: in mind that everywhere he's gone, you've kind of heard

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Speaker 1: these stories about how uncomfortable it can get because of

644
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Speaker 1: just how how he approaches things and how he operates.

645
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 2: No doubt, maybe uncomfortable is what this team needs. Yeah, right,

646
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and I'm again, I we don't know, we

647
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: have no idea. He's got a game to play. We

648
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: don't know what the list looks like for the Chargers,

649
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: but it seems like an offensive minded head coach who

650
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: brings toughness. That's a nice combination that I.

651
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: Think he's too. Chris. You said at their offense.

652
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like it is justin Herbert gonna

653
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: go into his fifth offense, you know, get the offensive

654
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 1: head coach. It's his system. And now as opposed to Belichick. Tomlin, Vrabel,

655
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: you're worrying about a coordinator.

656
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, as far as these other veteran head coaches, you know,

657
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: Belichick is interesting.

658
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 3: Yep.

659
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: If Pittsburgh wants to run Toblin out of town, there

660
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: will there will be a line of teams ready to

661
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: give him a long term deal. David Tepper was the

662
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: buying minority owner in Pittsburgh. I'm sure that he would

663
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: be one of the first VOE calls. You know, Washington,

664
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: he went to William and Mary in Virginia. You don't

665
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: think Josh Harrison company want to make a splash at

666
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: the end of the year. So it's not only money

667
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: that what the Chargers need, it's who they're competing with.

668
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 2: You mentioned the Raiders. The Raiders are going, They've thrown

669
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: big money at coaches. You know, Washington has a lot

670
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: of money and wants to make a big splash. You

671
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: know Tepper knows he can't get this wrong. And who

672
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: knows what else is going to happen throughout the NFL

673
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: with with vacancy. So that's where I think it's not

674
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: only money, but would you and this is an interesting

675
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: question and a different interesting exercise, would you trade a

676
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 2: draft pick for a coach if you think that it's

677
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: the coach that's going to get you.

678
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Speaker 1: Over the hume, Sure, yeah, absolutely absolutely. I mean, you know, what,

679
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: are you going to use that draft pick on a

680
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: single player? If you feel like it's a like the

681
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Broncos did with Sean Payton, like the Bucks did with

682
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: John Gruden, like you know, like the Patriots did with

683
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. If you feel like it's someone that's going

684
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 1: to change your entire operation, that's going to change your culture,

685
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: then absolutely. It becomes hard when you have maybe between

686
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: the fifth and the ninth pick and the draft and

687
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about an impact player that's under salary.

688
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: Control for five years.

689
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: You know that it's going to be playing under what

690
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: his production suggests you should be getting paid.

691
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: That's a little tough, you know.

692
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, but only second though, have that early second or.

693
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: What you do is you find a way to get

694
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: another one. You know, you figure out how to get

695
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: a back end one, and you know that could be

696
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: in the form of a player that's on the move,

697
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: you know, one of your more valuable players, that's a

698
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: veteran that you know you're going to be tearing this

699
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: thing down a little bit and you can move. So

700
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: I think I think there's ways to do that for sure,

701
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: if you had to, because it's you know, and that's

702
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: the whole thing with money that people were talking about, Oh,

703
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if they'll.

704
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: Spend the money.

705
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I said, Look, the money's the money you're talking about

706
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: spending the equivalent if you were gonna if the if

707
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,479
Speaker 1: the idea that you had for what a going rate

708
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: for a coaches is five to six million bucks. Now

709
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, Okay, let's add a lot and

710
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: uh and on the you know, a linebacker or an

711
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: interior alignment to that seven million bucks. Now you're at

712
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: twelve million, and you're in that that higher upper echelon

713
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Jim Harbaugh range.

714
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: That's it. It's all you're adding.

715
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: It's and you can find that player in the third

716
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: or fourth round of the draft instead of buying it

717
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: in free agency. Now you've got your money. Now, it's

718
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: like it's not that big of a deal.

719
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 3: You know.

720
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 1: I understand you know that that some owners are multi

721
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: billionaires and have a lot more cash at their disposal,

722
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: and that the the Spanos family just built a three

723
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar facility just wrote a check for over

724
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: one hundred million bucks for Justin Herbert, you know, because

725
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: of the scrule rules in the NFL. So yes, I

726
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: get it that there could be some financial issues because

727
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: the team had to put out three hundred million bucks

728
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: from their pocket and their covers. Okay, I get that,

729
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: but not on a yearly basis. That's not that's ridiculous.

730
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: It's it's not going to get in the way if

731
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: their guy is they identify that individual, and that individual

732
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Speaker 1: is coming with a with a higher price tag than

733
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Speaker 1: they've ever paid for a coach before. They know, they

734
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: know this is their window. They've got the Golden Goose

735
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert. They've got the facility, they've got the stadium,

736
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: they've got everything.

737
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Speaker 3: You know.

738
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Speaker 1: The one thing they need is a leader. They need

739
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: a leader that can take all this talent and convince

740
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 1: them things are going to change. I can feel it.

741
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: That facility is another nice chip for whoever's coming in

742
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: general manager and the head coach. I mean, you have

743
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: a brand new facility, the top of the top in

744
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: El Segundo and you know, just going back to the

745
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: potential list, you know, just because we say, hey, maybe

746
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: a first time head coach isn't the right move. Somebody

747
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: may interview and show that they had the characteristics of

748
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: being a CEO. You know, you know a lot of

749
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: people didn't know what they're gonna get with Sean McVay.

750
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: Sean mcvays the top three coach in the NFL. Yeah,

751
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: so you know, we don't want to discount that. I

752
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: just I think as someone looking at it from a

753
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: macro perspective and seeing what they've done the last decade,

754
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,959
Speaker 2: it may behoove them to move into a direction where

755
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: you have a veteran presence that you know, when they

756
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 2: have to play Sean Payton twice a year and play

757
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 2: Andy Reid twice a year. I think Travis Kelcey on

758
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: his podcast said, keep Belichick away from the AFC West.

759
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: He wanted a JIBEBRONI he wanted to charge to hire

760
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: JABRONI Yeah.

761
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Speaker 1: I think that's you know, that's one of the best

762
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Speaker 1: ways to approach it is who who do those two

763
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: teams not want you to hire? Who do they not?

764
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: Who do they above all else not? They don't want

765
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: you to hire Bill Belichick, They don't want you to

766
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: hire Mike Tomlin. They don't want you to hire Jim Harbaugh.

767
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: They don't want them in their division hundred percent, just

768
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Speaker 1: like we didn't want the Broncos to hire Sean Payton.

769
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's that when they hired Nate Hackett.

770
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,479
Speaker 1: Who you know, that's like, really, because you're talking about

771
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: a track record, and I think that's to me, that

772
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: statement is exactly what we're talking about.

773
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: That's what walks through your door. Hey guys, look who's here.

774
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Speaker 1: Someone that Travis Kelsey said he has no interest in

775
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: having in the division. Hey, look who your head coaches.

776
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: So I think I also think that it's important to

777
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: acknowledge that these things have gone wrong. You know that

778
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: the that the big name head coach in fact has

779
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: gone wrong in the past. It can you know, the

780
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: coordinator can be better. It's not always a panacea that

781
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: you're going to hire that coach with the big name

782
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: and it's going to work out. It doesn't always happen

783
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: that way there. Like we said, Nick Sirianni Philadelphia, Mike McDaniel, Miami,

784
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: Shane Steich, and Demico Ryans. This year, teams that we're

785
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: supposed to finish with between two and four wins and

786
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: are contending for their title in the division. You know,

787
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: I think the I think the look what I like

788
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: to have Doug Peterson, absolutely, but I think the jury

789
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: is still out on Okay, how where are we at

790
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: with this roster and where are we at with the

791
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: production and where are we at with the development of

792
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: the quarterback. So I think there's still a little bit

793
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: of question mark there on Doug Peterson, you know, and

794
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: he was hired to be that guy that followed Urban

795
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 1: Meyer a total disaster, to bring stability, to bring respect

796
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: back to that position. And I think he did certainly

797
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: that first year, considering the turnaround how quick it was.

798
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: But I think there's still a little bit of question

799
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 1: marked there. So I think it's I don't want anyone

800
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: to walk away from this thinking it's one guy and

801
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: one guy only. That's not what I'm saying. I just

802
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: feel like if you were to try to line everything up,

803
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: if you were to put a list together of hey,

804
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: what do we want and what would our ideal candidate

805
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: look like offense, so you don't have to keep changing

806
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the offense on your quarterback. Former head coach commands respect winner,

807
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, winner that changed culture somewhere. I think that

808
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: just it's so obvious that it points to that one

809
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: particular guy. And because of Harbaugh, he's the only offensive

810
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: guy that we're talking about. You know, the other three

811
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: guys would be great Rabel, Tomlin, Belichick, oh Dan Quint.

812
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: They're all defensive guys. And now you're running into an

813
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: issue where you have an offense where Herbert passes for

814
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: five thousand yards and you light it up, and now

815
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: your coordinator gets hired away. And that's that's the fear

816
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: with having a defensive head coach, is that the most

817
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: important asset on your roster in the entire organization is

818
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: continually screwed with because they lose their coordinators.

819
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: So the sexy topic is the head coach, perhaps maybe

820
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: more vital is soon the general manager is going to

821
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: be because they're gonna have a toll task rolling into

822
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: this thing. We mentioned some of the big cap numbers

823
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: and how this roster is gonna have to be reshaped

824
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: and it may take a couple of years to really

825
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: maximize what you have on this roster the structure too.

826
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, No, I think it's a great point, Chris,

827
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Speaker 1: and I think that just kind of depends on. Like

828
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: you said, you know, are you hiring a big name

829
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: head coach that has had experience in running the personnel

830
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: side or having a very heavy hand in the personnel

831
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Speaker 1: side of an organization. And obviously Bill Belichick has had that,

832
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin has had that. You know, Jim Harbaugh has

833
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: had that. So I think that's and if that's the case,

834
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Speaker 1: then you know, perhaps because we know darn well that

835
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: the Jojo is plenty capable of being a general manager,

836
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: then maybe it's hey, let's get you to sit down

837
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: with Jojo and let's see if this can work. And

838
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, there's no confusion about you know, where the

839
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: ultimate authority is in deciding exactly what happens at execution.

840
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: But you're working in tandem or is it going to

841
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: be more along the you know the other the other?

842
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: I would say the more traditional, although it seems like

843
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: now the traditional way is to hire the big name

844
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: coach with a general manager in a package. Pete Carroll,

845
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: John Schneider, Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch, Josh McDaniels, Dave Ziegler.

846
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: You know, that's what we're seeing.

847
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: But is it to hire that general manager and then

848
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 1: you let that general manager conduct the head coaching search.

849
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: But you know, based on the comments that John Spinos made,

850
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: I get the sense that that they're at the very

851
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: least going to try. They're going to try like hell

852
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: to go big game hunting. They want to land one

853
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: of these big dogs. And so for me, I think

854
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: that that tends to and then I think you you

855
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: would you adjust your general manager search from there. You know, so,

856
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 1: and it's really finding someone. It's not giving the coach

857
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: the it's not giving the coach. You're you're our head scout,

858
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: and you're our director of pro personnel, and you're our

859
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: director of College scott and you're our general manager.

860
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: It's not that you can't do it. It's just too

861
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: much work.

862
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: You're talking about six hundred players and players like undrafted

863
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: free agents from Division III and colleges in Canada that

864
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: they just can't possibly keep up with and to keep

865
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: up with with the staff. So that's not what you're

866
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: hiring them for. What you're doing is you're trying to

867
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: find a partner. Who can we partner you up with

868
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: that you know you're comfortable talking to. You know they're

869
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: going to bring you what you really need to see

870
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: because you're too busy as a head coach when it

871
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: comes to constructing the roster. And I don't think it's

872
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: worth getting into names. You know that that our people

873
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast, you know, we'd be joking, we'd

874
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: be it'd be a joke for us to start going

875
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: through that list. There are a couple of names that

876
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with just because I work with DJ, and

877
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: I know who these people are. But it's just not

878
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: worth going through. And I think that's all so, by

879
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: the way, you know, I know I'm a little biased.

880
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: I'd interview DJ. I know I get to watch him

881
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: watch film. He tells me about these players before anybody

882
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: else has ever mentioned their names. And I know how

883
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: good of a talian a talent evaluator he is. I

884
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: know how good of a human being he is. I

885
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: know the you know, the character constitution in which he operates.

886
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: I'd absolutely interview him. I think it'd be crazy not to.

887
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: I know for a fact he's gotten offers that he's

888
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: turned down because he does not want to leave Southern California.

889
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: And he's got a great gig at NFL Network as

890
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: their lead analyst in the world of player personnel. And drafts,

891
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: So I'd be really surprised, if I mean, I guess

892
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of weird to say you're hiring your radio

893
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: analyst a little bit for the national lot of but

894
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. You know, it's a different deal.

895
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: So at the very least, I'm sure he'll be involved

896
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: in the process. I can't imagine him not being involved

897
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: in the process a little bit, you know. So, but

898
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: that's I'd have no problem, you know. And again I'm different.

899
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: I sit next to him, I know, you know, I

900
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: know how bright of a mind he has and how

901
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: good he is at evaluating talent. So but yeah, and

902
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: you know what, I wouldn't just I would just enjoy

903
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: having him have to work with Jim Harpy every day.

904
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 3: That would make me happy. That would make me very happy.

905
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: Either way you get you would get to work with,

906
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 2: whether he would be in a personal capacity or or

907
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 2: your partner in the ring.

908
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: I would make him still do the games. I'd force

909
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: him to stay, He'd have to still do the You

910
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,439
Speaker 1: gotta do the games.

911
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: DJ.

912
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: I know that you're supposed to be sitting with the

913
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: owner right now, but yeah, take a call if you

914
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: have to here there, I can fill in those gaps,

915
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: so can Shannon.

916
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: But but you got to do the games.

917
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: Listen. I have no idea what DJ's interest would be.

918
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: I would say this, I you know, I had the

919
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,479
Speaker 2: pleasure of those for the last several years, and there's

920
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: not a brighter mind. Uh. From a from a personnel standpoint,

921
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: you could do a heck of a lot worse than DJ.

922
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: He would definitely be on a on a short list

923
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 2: if he was ever interested in a job like that,

924
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: because he's just he's amazing at what he does. It

925
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: obviously shines through on television, but just how quickly he

926
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: can process what he sees, and it's it's got to

927
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: be a joy for you to to to be a

928
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: part of that every Sunday and just you know, the

929
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: talks on the bus and and knowing how he operates.

930
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's a lot of fun. And all

931
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: he does, he's he's a junkie. He just watches film

932
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: and I sit next to him on the plane and

933
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: I get to watch, you know, if I'm not distracted

934
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: by some anima or an Indonesian action film, I watch

935
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 1: film with him, and uh, and I can remember one that.

936
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 3: Really jumped out.

937
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: You know, it was about four or five years Well,

938
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: first of all, I can remember when everyone was talking

939
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 1: about uh Pena Sewel, Pina Sewel, greatest offensive line prospect

940
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: that's coming out, and I'm talking about six months before

941
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: the draft, and he's saying this kid at Northwestern's better,

942
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: like he's just and no one was talking about Rashaun Slater.

943
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: I remember that, and he.

944
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: Was way ahead on that one another offensive line. Everybody

945
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: was talking about this Alex Leatherwood, Alex Leatherwood, Alabama, Alex Leatherwood, Alabama,

946
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, tell me if I'm crazy, but

947
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: Jederick Willis.

948
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 3: Is way better than this guy.

949
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: And we're watching fan That's just the sort of things

950
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: that couple that that that I remember that that really

951
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: stand out to me. And that's you know, there's there's

952
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: a million, a million of them. There are a million

953
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: of them. So you know, I Dalton Kincaid was was

954
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: a huge one for him.

955
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: You know that.

956
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I think he ended up being like a top ten

957
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: player for him. Well, so anyway, that's neither here nor there.

958
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: I Mike Mayock, who I also appreciate and is a friend,

959
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: and and Matt Millan have done. DJ no favors in

960
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: trying to move from TV into a front office role,

961
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: but I think it would certainly be interested in and

962
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Charger fans would have any problem with

963
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: him being named the GM.

964
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: No doubt. A lot of discussion on on the Old

965
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 2: X and social media about this move and what the

966
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: charge is going to do moving forward, and you know,

967
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: just consider us another voice just to kind of talk

968
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: and all speculation.

969
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: There is speculating, no inside knowledge here. This is just

970
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Please understand my individual opinion and conversations

971
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: I've just had with friends, you know, in the industry,

972
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: or even fans just walking around. I have absolutely zero

973
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: insight to what they are are thinking.

974
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: And keep in mind we are at the very first

975
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: baby step of this process to this. Three more weeks

976
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 2: to go in the season, you get the playoffs. Who

977
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 2: knows what's going to happen around the NFL. There could

978
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: be some surprise firings. There could be somebody from the

979
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: college ranks that wants to jump up to the NFL.

980
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many things that can happen. We're

981
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: just kind of in this, Okay, how do we react

982
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: to what just happened on Thursday night, and who are

983
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: the potential possibilities.

984
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.

985
00:50:54,760 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, it has been a difficult season and we

986
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 2: appreciate you deal with us every Thursday as we kind

987
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 2: of rehash the games and kind of makes sense of,

988
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: you know, the highs and lows of the year. And

989
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 2: obviously last Thursday was about as low as it can

990
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 2: get for the fans, and we know that the next

991
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: three games at least, you've got coach Giff running the show.

992
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: Hopefully they get put on a good performance against the

993
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: Bills and we reset this thing money And you know,

994
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: a lot of good players on this team, a lot

995
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 2: of big decisions that need to be made. But when

996
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: you have ten, you have a chance, right.

997
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt.

998
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: I still believe the future is incredibly bright for this franchise.

999
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: You've got a franchise left tackle, a franchise defensive end,

1000
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. We've said it before, those are the

1001
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: three most important positions in football, and I believe they

1002
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: have it intull, Slater and Herbert and that is awfully

1003
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 1: intriguing and enticing for a general manager and a head

1004
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: coach to want to build around and to want to coach,

1005
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: and you've got an organization that is admitted to winning.

1006
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: They showed that this year and spending a quarter of

1007
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: a billion dollars on their quarterback, another one hundred million

1008
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: dollars in pushing contracts forward, converting to signing bonus, signing

1009
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: free agents. Everything they were willing to do this year financially,

1010
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: I think shows the commitment that the Spanoses have to

1011
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: delivering a Super Bowl to the city of Los Angeles

1012
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: and the Chargers in the first in the history of

1013
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: the Chargers organization. So I am very excited about about

1014
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: what this thing could look like moving forward, while at

1015
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: the same time also being incredibly disappointed at how it

1016
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: turned out this year.

1017
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: So well, we wish everybody, I'm Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays

1018
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: as we get into this weekend, Charges playoffs Saturday, and

1019
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 2: we'll be with you next Thursday for money. I'm Chris.

1020
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,160
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