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Speaker 1: the scredit here of normalcy. Welcome to a Friday edition

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Speaker 1: of One Bills Live. I'm Steve Tasker, pleased to be

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Speaker 1: joined Chris Brown's off today. You're stuck with me. It's

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Speaker 1: our great friend Kevin Connors of ESPN Sports Center host.

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Speaker 1: He calls a lot of basketball, it's called boxing for ESPN,

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Speaker 1: done a ton of stuff that you've probably seen. Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in and join us on a Friday

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Speaker 1: and starting our weekend off the right ways. Good to

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Speaker 1: see you, Steve, You too. I mean this sincerely. It's

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Speaker 1: always an honor to be on with you. And I've

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Speaker 1: in the hallways and in central Connecticut here to talk.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who talked with the with me about the Bills

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Speaker 1: how do I say no to that? Yeah? Right? And

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Speaker 1: We got a bunch of stuff. There's been ten moves

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Speaker 1: same thing, and then comes like, well wait a minute, Well,

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Speaker 1: if he's good enough to draft guys later in the

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Speaker 1: round and get real starters out of there, why can't

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Speaker 1: he repeat that, um, and why can't good teams who

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Speaker 1: have good GMS and good scouting departments keep doing that?

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Speaker 1: And the simple fact of the matter is they can't.

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Speaker 1: So what are you rewarding them for getting lucky having

437
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Speaker 1: things fall their way? And maybe let me take markus

438
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Speaker 1: deciety for a minute here. I think maybe in his defense,

439
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Speaker 1: if he's if if we can get to the point

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Speaker 1: where everything is equal, where where the player is not

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Speaker 1: getting any more or less money, if it's if it's

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Speaker 1: only affecting the cap with what he's saying, that's the thought.

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Speaker 1: I'd be willing to explore that a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: because I do you know, from from a from a

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Speaker 1: fan standpoint, from an organization standpoint, you draft a guy,

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Speaker 1: who develop a guy, I buy the guy's jersey, I

447
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Speaker 1: become attached to him from you know, through that, and

448
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Speaker 1: then five years into his career, what he's able to

449
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Speaker 1: hit the open market, if we can't afford to keep him,

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Speaker 1: he's gone. I don't know that it's a perfect I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we've I don't know if we've got

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Speaker 1: a perfect fix for it right now. I'd be interested

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Speaker 1: in exploring that a little bit more. Yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: reason it has some merit is because the guy still

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Speaker 1: gets paid a big contract. So it's and I think

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Speaker 1: other teams, and I think you might get some pushbacks

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Speaker 1: from other owners saying, well, listen, if you've got that

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Speaker 1: guy and I've got to pay him twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: more than you do, that's not fair to us. And

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Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a bad team that's doing

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Speaker 1: it. It It could be a good team. Why should well,

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Speaker 1: why should say, you know, the Bills have to pay

463
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Speaker 1: whoever you know, Julio Jones or se Quon Barkley one

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five percent of what you're paying him

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Speaker 1: to get him, because you don't want that. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to pay the full boat that the market goes,

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Speaker 1: you know, his full market value, you get to keep him,

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Speaker 1: So it would restrict player movement. And I get it too.

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Speaker 1: There's some some sentiment and some nostalgia for having these

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Speaker 1: guys finish their start their career and finish their career

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Speaker 1: with the same team. It's it's more and more rare,

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Speaker 1: particularly for great players, and I think there's some nostalgia

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Speaker 1: for that, and I can get behind that, and maybe

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Speaker 1: this would be one stepping stone toward making that happen

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Speaker 1: more often. Right, I think you're right and I and boy,

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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's a that's a big time called

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Speaker 1: by Mark. I mean we go to the phone line

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Speaker 1: and we may get a forty five second comment. We're

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Speaker 1: onto the next Mark, well done. It was a good call,

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Speaker 1: Mark from Buffalo. I appreciate your time. Kevin Connor, Steve Tasker.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be back. We're gonna talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: more about the Bills free agent class coming up. Who

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Speaker 1: they got to sign, who they don't have to sign.

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Speaker 1: If you've got some ideas, call us at eight to

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Speaker 1: three oh five fifty or one eight eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty Steve Tasker Kevin Connors here on one

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Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo Bill's

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Speaker 1: radio at a Steve Tasker who has been all all

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Speaker 1: of the fields. Kind of unique. He was kind of

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Speaker 1: a dual role player for you, Steed of Blimp. We're

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Speaker 1: not even in the streaded bear of normalcy. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to one of Bill's lives. Deep Tasker, along with Kevin

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Speaker 1: Connor's a ESPN Sports Center and Sports Center anchor with

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Speaker 1: me here today until three o'clock. We're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit now in this second hour of the show

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Speaker 1: about the Bills free agency and they're claud they got

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Speaker 1: sixteen guys. We're gonna show you a list of who

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Speaker 1: they are and if you want to give us your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on who a guy. And I know there's a

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Speaker 1: ton of people out there that you know, everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to sign MYA McKenzie back or Harrison Philips back and

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Speaker 1: all that, and I get it, is there, you know,

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Speaker 1: are there guys on this free agent list for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills that you, as a fan like, is maybe

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Speaker 1: an a guy they really need to sign back? No

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Speaker 1: matter what? Um you know you've got goes from Jerry Hughes,

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Speaker 1: Mario Addison, Vernon Butler, Emmanuel Sanders, Mister Drabisky, Ike Butler,

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Speaker 1: Levi Wallace, fa Obada, Isaiah McKenzie, Jake Kumero', Harrison Phillips.

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Speaker 1: That's just kind of those are the highlights. There's a

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Speaker 1: couple of other guys on this, like Matt Breed and

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Speaker 1: Bobby Hartum, Brian Cox Junior, guys like that, Justin Zimmer

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Speaker 1: who was injured, who's got a pretty good future. I

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Speaker 1: think um Ryan Bates is on that list. So if

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Speaker 1: you if you want to get on the conversation, give

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Speaker 1: us a call at eight oh three oh five fifty

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Speaker 1: or one eight eight five fifty two five fifty and

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Speaker 1: we can talk about it. Kevin Connors, Steve Tasker here

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Speaker 1: with you. Kevin, I I like all these guys. They've

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Speaker 1: all been really good. There's a ton of defensive lineman

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Speaker 1: whose contracts are up. Four of them on this list alone,

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Speaker 1: Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, Vernon Butler, and Harrison Phillips and

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Speaker 1: and fa obada Um. There's five of these top ten

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Speaker 1: free agents of the Buffalo Bills that are going to

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Speaker 1: be gone. Off the defensive line, the pass rush was

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Speaker 1: middle of the road this year, about forty two sacks

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Speaker 1: on the season. It was like fourteen or sixteen ranked.

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Speaker 1: They don't have many guys at that position, defensive end

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Speaker 1: or defensive tackle under contract. How antsy, I guess are

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Speaker 1: you that they signed at least some of these guys

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Speaker 1: back if they can, or are you going to take

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Speaker 1: a chance that they sign maybe the right guys in

532
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Speaker 1: free agency coming up? Boy? You know burn the hand,

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Speaker 1: you know what you have with certain guys, Look, Jerry

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Speaker 1: Hughes is someone who's been here for a while. The

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Speaker 1: team is better with him on it. The locker room

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Speaker 1: is better with him in it. You know, is someone

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Speaker 1: else willing to pay Jerry more money than Frankly the

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Speaker 1: team can afford the point. I think a guy like

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Speaker 1: like Mario Addison is a really important piece. I think again,

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Speaker 1: in a lot of instances, it's got to be at

541
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Speaker 1: the right price. I like the way the offensive mine

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Speaker 1: came together at the end of the year. I like

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Speaker 1: I like Butler, I like keeping him in the mix.

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Speaker 1: I think he's versatile. Levi Wallace is a guy who

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Speaker 1: that is a premium position in the NFL. Again, you know,

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Speaker 1: you can't you can't sink the boat by by paying

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Speaker 1: one guy too much money. Is you know, are you

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Speaker 1: able to get Wallace or someone else could place him

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Speaker 1: as a complete premium Another guy, to me, Steve, who

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Speaker 1: I think you have to bring back is Harrison Phillips. Again,

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Speaker 1: if some team wants to blow him out of the water,

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Speaker 1: I think Harrison Phillips was a massively underrated piece of

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Speaker 1: that defense, especially in the second half. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you know who else I think feels that way is

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Speaker 1: is is that Oliver. I think that Oliver was tremendously

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Speaker 1: better when when Horrible Harry was on the field. So

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Speaker 1: I guess those are some of my thoughts initially. But Phillips, Look,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Phillips is going to be a guy

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Speaker 1: who's going to go out and get a balloon contract.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you can get him at at

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Speaker 1: a reasonable rate to come back and keep him in

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Speaker 1: the mix, and he's the guy who I would place

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Speaker 1: to bring him on me personally. Yeah, And I think

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Speaker 1: also you got to look at the fact that and

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Speaker 1: I think the Bills are really sensitive to guys who

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Speaker 1: are looking for a contract. And I don't mean, I

567
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: don't mean you know it's time for them to sign

568
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Speaker 1: any deal. I think that when they get it, somehow

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Speaker 1: things change for them. The Bills have had instances like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, Quentin Spain signed a nice deal a couple

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Speaker 1: of years before this last season and didn't make it

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Speaker 1: through the season because he just took it out of gear.

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Speaker 1: You know, they are if the club feels like they're

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Speaker 1: the kind of guy personally who are going to sign

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Speaker 1: a big contract and then playing because they got what

576
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Speaker 1: they came for I think that Bills are really sensitive

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Speaker 1: to that. I don't think Harrison Phillips is one of

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Speaker 1: those guys. I don't think fa Obata is one of

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Speaker 1: those guys. Jerry Hughes has played extremely well and he's

580
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Speaker 1: making ten million bucks a year, so he doesn't seem

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Speaker 1: to be one of those guys. But there's guys like

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Speaker 1: that out there. And what I like what you said

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Speaker 1: as well, It is the thing that you know that

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Speaker 1: may not be elite, better than that which you don't know,

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Speaker 1: that may be elite but may be worse than what

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Speaker 1: you have. The unknown is what Scarce coaches more than anything.

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00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: They like guys they can depend on. And despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that the Bill's pass rush didn't set the world

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Speaker 1: on fire this last year, they were the number one

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Speaker 1: ranked defense in the league in a lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of categories, and they were winning a lot of games.

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Speaker 1: I think going forward, though, I don't think there's any

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Speaker 1: question it's gonna be a revamped, shuffled room anyway. I

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Speaker 1: don't think all five of those guys come back. Maybe

595
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Speaker 1: Fao Bottom, maybe Harrison Phillips, maybe Justin Zimmer comes back

596
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Speaker 1: from his ACL He was he was a try hard,

597
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Speaker 1: real high motor guy who can really run. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if he can return to form. But I think this

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Speaker 1: defensive line, I think is really the one position group

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Speaker 1: and you mentioned too, Levi Wallace in the cornerback spot.

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Speaker 1: It's a position group of the defensive line that I

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Speaker 1: think is really important for this offseason. They put a

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Speaker 1: lot of assets assets there, draft picks at Oliver, greg Russeau,

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Speaker 1: Boogie Basham over the last two three years. Harrison Phillips

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Speaker 1: as now in his fourth year, coming up in his fifth.

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of guys who you

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Speaker 1: gotta make sure they're still here. And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think their philosophy is going to be interesting to

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Speaker 1: see as it plays out. I don't know what it's

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Speaker 1: going to look like. But I think I think, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're we're in agreement on that point, and I think

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Speaker 1: we're also on in agreement on another point. The production

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Speaker 1: has to step up. I just think, listen, it was

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Speaker 1: it was a the Bills. If you if you're paying

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Speaker 1: any attention, you know for a fact, last last draft,

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Speaker 1: the Bills drafted according to the team that they were

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Speaker 1: going to have to be, which is the Kansas City chiefs.

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Speaker 1: They were going to have to get a guy that

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Speaker 1: could get after the quarterback, and they used their first

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Speaker 1: two picks on that, both of whom were productive. It's

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Speaker 1: way too early to evaluate those picks, you know, as

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Speaker 1: as complete entities. But the fact of the matter is,

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Speaker 1: there were too many times, in my opinion, during the

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Speaker 1: year for whatever the reason was, that you didn't get

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback enough, that we didn't pressure the quarterback enough.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, look, sure it would be nice to go

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Speaker 1: out and get Aaron Donald. That's not happening thought, But

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Speaker 1: you got to get a guy who or you have

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Speaker 1: to create a system where people can get at pressure

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Speaker 1: the quarterback more than we did, because I felt there

631
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Speaker 1: were too many times this year point we're not even

632
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Speaker 1: getting a hand on that guy. So if it's if

633
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: it's that mix, if it's if it's addressing it through

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Speaker 1: the draft again, I don't know. Um. I think that

635
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Speaker 1: a lot of the solution is in the group that

636
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Speaker 1: we've talked about, But I think that the production has

637
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Speaker 1: to step up a little bit. I would say so too.

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Speaker 1: And and we've got a couple of phone calls we'll take.

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Speaker 1: Some of these are all about the draft and We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about free agency. The draft is certainly going

641
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Speaker 1: to affect that, and it's the free agency market and

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00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: the money that the Bills have to spend are certainly

643
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Speaker 1: going to be affected by what happens in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Dave from Rochester has something he wants to talk to

645
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: us about about this NFL draft. Dave, you're on with

646
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: Kevin and Steve. What's on your mind? And Dave is gone,

647
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: all right, let's try. We're gonna try. We're gonna try.

648
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: Tom and Buffalo. Tom You're you're on with one. Bill's

649
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: live with Steve and Kevin. What's on your mind? Tom?

650
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: All right? Tom? Three? Two? All right, that's it. Tom's

651
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: not there, all right? Last one? And Jay is in Atlanta.

652
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: He thinks the Bills need a pass rushing Jay, you're

653
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: a last chance. Do you want to talk about being

654
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: a pass rusher? Go ahead? Jay? Absolutely. What I could

655
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: to Bill should do is go after pass rusher would

656
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: be a trader free agency and then draft either a

657
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: good offensive card or a quarterback in the first round.

658
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 1: Because the price for you know, starting quarterbacks nine villions

659
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: for yug On Wallace, he got tuly insane. I get

660
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: somebody in the here is good that you could drew them.

661
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: I should playoffs with your ed his wife. You know,

662
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: as the first round pick, they should have bested degree.

663
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: But I really think we've we've got to go over

664
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Speaker 1: the top with for somebody likes to generated pass us. Yeah,

665
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: we have the number one ranked defense, but to be

666
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: honest with the points that doesn't pass the eye seest

667
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: to do. That was the worst number one rand deep

668
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: I've ever seen. I mean, we couldn't get a stop.

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Speaker 1: We need one the old game that that Sea time.

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00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: Really truly my opinion one for us and Domin was

671
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: of the genera. But look at that chests office, look

672
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: the play I mean all the receivers, working quarterbacks. I

673
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: mean the bill ceased on you know a lot of

674
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: young an sperience quarterbacks and not really good office this year.

675
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: And I think that's why you saw statistency with how

676
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: as you saw it. The team. I mean, they need

677
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: to get after that quarterback, matter what team we're going

678
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: to face from the Antea or the factors home. So

679
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: the charge with reboots, whether there's Joe Burrow the Bengals,

680
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: the best way to stop the passing the factors to

681
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 1: the postles all right, Jay, thank you for appreciate the call.

682
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: He's right about one thing, and I get it too.

683
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: We've been trumpeting the fact, Kevin, that the Bills were

684
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: ranked like in ten categories, they were number one defense

685
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: in the league. But man, oh Man, you watch this

686
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: team play and you'll never see a more I don't know,

687
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: just unspectacular number one defense, you know what I mean.

688
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: Their pass rush was middle of the road. Their secondary

689
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: certainly played well and allowed and held up. Uh. But man,

690
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: they had a couple of shutouts during the season. Of course,

691
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: against lesser opponents. The Dolphins won. I think the Houston

692
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: was another, and they and that that certainly helped their

693
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: average shutting those teams out. But the Bills defense, while

694
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: it was ranked number one, you know, just a casual

695
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: observer thing. Yeah, their defense was just yeah, it was

696
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: okay because they did feat they did have a soft schedule,

697
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: didn't have that many, didn't play any that many elite quarterbacks,

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00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: and I think you know, when they got into against

699
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: games against really good quarterbacks, really good football teams, this

700
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: defense really struggled to keep up at times. But man,

701
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: oh Man, consistently, over the course of eight seventeen games,

702
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: eighteen weeks. Yeah, the Bills got more out of their

703
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: defense than anybody else did. But nevertheless, when you look

704
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: for signature plays, the one I always point to it

705
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: was the Mica Hyde interception in the in the Patriots

706
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: game on their first possession, where he snuffed it out.

707
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: They were trying to throw for a touchdown. He's snuck

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00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: in out of nowhere, and all of a sudden, the

709
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: Bills go back down, it's fourteen nothing and the routes on.

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00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: But that played by Micah Hyde was spectacular. But you'd

711
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to find some others in meaningful games

712
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: that were that were that impactful. You know, Steve, I

713
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: agree with you again. I think I think getting after

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00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback is a must when you hit mean listen

715
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: for me. I'll take ten seconds here to make this point.

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00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: When you lose your best maybe best defensive player, certainly

717
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: your best cover corner, that has to impact your team.

718
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: And the way that Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer and

719
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace and sirand Neil and Tarn Johnson in the

720
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: second I thought the secondary was really good. That you know,

721
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: the lasting memory for a lot of folks is going

722
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: to be the last thirteen seconds to Kansas City game.

723
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: Maybe it should be that's so unfortunate because I thought

724
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: the secondary had a fantastic year. Yeah, I would agree

725
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: that they are the strength of the of the football team,

726
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: even without Tredavious White. I think, and I'll say this,

727
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about a free agent, I'd

728
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: love to see him back. There's a couple of them,

729
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: and one of them is Levi Wallace. Yeah. I have grown,

730
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like most Bills fans, I think reluctantly. I

731
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: love that guy, you know, I mean, I hate I

732
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: hate saying it because I love the guy. They have

733
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: tried to replace him every year of his career and

734
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: they have not been able to get it done. And

735
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: I asked, and I kind of laughed with Sean McDermot,

736
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,919
Speaker 1: I go, you secretly try and replace him with guys

737
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: who can't get it done every year, because nobody handles

738
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: it better than Levi Wallace. He welcomes the competition every year.

739
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: They brought in Kevin Johnson from Houston, who is a

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00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: number one draft pick. They brought in Sherman as a,

741
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, a guy to compete with him, and at

742
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: Josh Norman not Sherman Josh Norman to compete with him,

743
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: and you know, Levi's like, yeah, come on in, let

744
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: me show you how. Let me show you how this

745
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: defense where it helps the guys out. He's a real

746
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: teammate and really is an example to everybody on everybody

747
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: on the roster, the great players, the name players, and everybody.

748
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is the shining example of wanting what's best

749
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: for the team and then acting like it. He has

750
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: welcomed the attempts by the club to replace him, and

751
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: he's still standing out there and was cornerback one every

752
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: game after Thanksgiving. And well, I'm gonna say, I was

753
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: gonna say, how many how many fan bases love their

754
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: CB two, right? You know what I mean? Like, it's

755
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: he's always the guy. Yeah, he's killing us. It's not

756
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: this guy. It's this guy. And you're right now, I

757
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: for me, you know better than I. I I think the

758
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: question is gonna be a is Levi willing to take

759
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: what we have to offer or else gonna say, you

760
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: know what we're paying this guy. It'll be interesting and

761
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 1: there'll be some teams out there that see his worth,

762
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: just like the Bills do, and they'll have more cap

763
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: space and they'll be able to, you know, sign him

764
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: to a deal and more enticing deal. He played for

765
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: one point five this year, and for the role that

766
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: he played on the defense, that was a bargain, particularly

767
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving. He's playing with it. He's got Dane Jackson

768
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: on the far side. You got a second year corner

769
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: and Dane Jackson playing with a four year corner in

770
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace who was undrafted. Just the fact that, and

771
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: I guess I've never completely understood safety play except from

772
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: when I see a good one he say, yeah, we'll

773
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: look at that guy Poyer and hide. I think that

774
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: the two of those guys really make an enormous difference,

775
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: not only for Levi Wallace and tarn Johnson, but also

776
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: for even Tradevious White when he's in there in full strength.

777
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: Those guys have been a difference maker. They're secondary. Ever

778
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: since Sean McDermott has been there has been the difference

779
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: in this defense and their ability to cover. And we've

780
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: had analytics people on the show and we go back

781
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: and forth and I'll get your I'll ask you there's

782
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: a big analytics argument now that when you're talking about

783
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: how great a defense is it's not about the pass rush.

784
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: It's about the secondary the coverage, not the pass rush,

785
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: and analytics people say that that's more important than the

786
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: pass rush. If that's the case, certainly the Bill's defense

787
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: is an argument in favor of it. Well, I was

788
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 1: going to ask you that, Steve, as someone who played

789
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: the game, I did you played? You know how easy?

790
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the days are gone of Bruce

791
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: Smith's coming off the edge, of Reggie White coming off

792
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: the edge of I mean Aaron Donald, I guess is

793
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,439
Speaker 1: the exception, but he's one of the greatest defensive players ever.

794
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think with the complexities of offenses

795
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: and the ability of quarterbacks to get rid of it

796
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: as quickly as they do, it takes a little bit

797
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 1: of time and from from a physics standpoint, to get

798
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, to get through the line and get

799
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. I wonder how much who like who

800
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: has a great pass rush in the NFL teams teams

801
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: get sacked. Obviously, I'm off the top of my head.

802
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think outside of the rams and by

803
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: the way, that obviously shone through in the Super Bowl.

804
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean that in the second half they really got

805
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow and that was a massive difference. But

806
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: outside of the Rams, who by the way, Steve for

807
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: crying out loud, if Donald won Super Bowl MVP, which

808
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: you could have, they would have had two Super Bowl

809
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: MVPs on the defensive line. So who has a great

810
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: pass rush? I don't know, right, And I think you know,

811
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: you look at the teams that you know lead the

812
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: league and pass rushing, it's you know, it's the Steelers.

813
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: It's you know, the the usual suspects, and the difference

814
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: between the best the best pass rushers in the pass

815
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: rushings in the league defensively, um it, you know, it's

816
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: the Steelers and everybody. The best ones have like fifty

817
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: seven sacks. The worst ones are less by what a

818
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: sack of game, they're like forties. You know. That's where

819
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: the Bills are there, They're in the middle of the road.

820
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: Uh So it's not like, uh, you know all this,

821
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: you know all this talk about it, and I'm and

822
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm actually right now blasting through these

823
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: statistics getting to the rankings of the NFL for sacks,

824
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: and it's the Steelers led the league with um with

825
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: like I don't know, forty seven sacks, fifty seven sacks

826
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: or something like that, and you know then it's the

827
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Speaker 1: number two. It's like fifty seven, fifty six, fifty five,

828
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: fifty three and they go down a little by little

829
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: by little um. I think one of the things that

830
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: makes it different. We talked about this with the Bills defense.

831
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: When did those sacks happen? You know, it's a it's

832
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: on a first and ten, on first and ten when

833
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: they're in their own territory, you know, Or is it

834
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: a on a fourth and goal when the game on

835
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: the line, do you get a sack? Timing is everything

836
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: for those And I've seen you know the Bills. You know,

837
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: you play the Houston, you're up thirty five seven, all

838
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get three sacks late in the game. Whatever.

839
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: You know, nobody cares about those sacks except the guys

840
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: that get them. If you want to sacks that mean something,

841
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: or what that stats should say is the game in

842
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: the balance. Like the Rams, they're in this dog fight

843
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and Joe Burrow is trying to

844
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: bring him back and he can't set up to pass

845
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: because the pass rush is in his face. Those are

846
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: difference makers. But then you get into a game where

847
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: you're up thirty five to nothing. The Bills beat the

848
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: Dolphins thirty five nothing, they're up twenty eight to nothing,

849
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: and they get a quick sack, and then they get

850
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: another sack on third down. You know, those are the

851
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: sacks that are meaningless, Right, how do you quantify that? Yeah,

852
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a great question. I mean it's really

853
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: as we're having this conversation, it's bringing to light to

854
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: me that unless you have an Aaron Donald or a

855
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: one of the Bosa brothers, or maybe it's Aidan Hutchinson

856
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: coming into the NFL this year, I mean, unless you

857
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: have one of those guys who other teams really do

858
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: game plan for and legitimately account for. Maybe that's one

859
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,959
Speaker 1: of those positions where you say, you know, we'll we'll

860
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: take what we can get, but we'll try to compensate

861
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 1: forward in other areas. And I think in talking this through,

862
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: we've maybe discovered that the guys who are playing up

863
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: the middle, the middle linebacker and the free safety and

864
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: strong safety, maybe those are the more important positions defensive tackle.

865
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: And maybe the guy's coming off the edge maybe maybe Yeah,

866
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: and you think about it, and I was looking at this.

867
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. They get these passes sacks perpasitempt for

868
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: the defense. If your defense, you know, if they dropped

869
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: back one hundred times, how many sacks are you gonna get?

870
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears led the league one out of every

871
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: ten times a team dropped back, that's the Bears sacked

872
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: the guy, and it goes Chicago. Then Pittsburgh was number two.

873
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco was number three, Minnesota and then LA and

874
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 1: then Buffalo. So Buffalo and LA are at the top,

875
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: but the five teams ahead of them, only one of them,

876
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: and that's San Francisco is in the playoffs. Right. Maybe

877
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: it is about coverage, you know, and I see the logic.

878
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: And before we go to break here, I'll give you

879
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: the reasons that all these analytics people say it's more

880
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: important to cover if you get a pass rush and

881
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: they get through a guy like Josh Allen, got like

882
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes, guy like Lamar Jackson, all these guys, Deshaun Watson, Tuah,

883
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow certainly Just and Herbert all the really young

884
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: great quarterbacks, particularly in the AFC, Kyler Murray. Okay, so

885
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: you get a quick quick pressure on a pass rush,

886
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: that guy just breaks out and takes off. So you

887
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: get a pass rush win, but the quarterback makes a play.

888
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: So that's unless unless they're covered up, you know. So

889
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: the coverage in the back end is more important because

890
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: it goes more toward breaking up a pass, getting a

891
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: pass defense, a pass breakup, or getting your hands on

892
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: the ball, whereas a sack, even if you win, you

893
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: don't necessarily get the sack, even if your pass rush

894
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: is dominant, because the quarterback's too good an athlete. Yeah,

895
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: and Stephen and the scenario you just you just brought up,

896
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, does that sound familiar Bills fans? Does that

897
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: sound like the Chiefs came at all? I mean where

898
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 1: my homes went ran wild? That's a great point, right right,

899
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: So there you go, All right, Steve Tasker, Kevin Connor,

900
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna come back. We're going to continue to talk

901
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: about this. We've got a couple of things more we

902
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: want to get to, Like maybe, I mean, you can

903
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: just call us in with some of your best moments

904
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: from the twenty twenty one season, which Bills rookies made

905
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: the biggest impact or these free agents? What do you

906
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: think the philosophy should be for the Bills in free

907
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: agency or in the draft. Give us a call and

908
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: coming to Mike and Batavia. We'll get back to you

909
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: right after the break. Steve Tasker Kevin Connor on one

910
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: Bills Live. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to

911
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: one Bills Live. Steep Tasker here. We're just here till

912
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 1: the top of the hour. Kevin Connor of ESPN joining

913
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: me today, wearing a long and sordid conversation on free

914
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: agency and draft and all things Buffalo Bills and philosophies

915
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and all that. We also got a call from Mike

916
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: in Batavia. Mike, you're on with Steve and Kevin on

917
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: one Bills Live. What's on your mind? Hey, good afternoon guys.

918
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking a call. And as we were talking

919
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: about and Bill invest you mentioned five players that theys

920
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: for six. I think you forgot one and I'm going

921
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: to throw a seventh player, and I think we have

922
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: seven defensive line and that they're going to have to

923
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: think about. Sin's got kind of like three younger guys,

924
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: right U, Zimmer, Obada and Harry, and then you've got

925
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of full older guys. You've got Butler, Addison and

926
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: Hughes and I'm gonna close star him because I'm not

927
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: sure that to give him. I'm gonna go out and said,

928
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep the side of those guys. I

929
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: think we're gonna keep the three young ones and they're

930
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: gonna keep maybe a couple of the older ones. I'd

931
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 1: love to see my agree with a call that said

932
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: maybe we got to look at a trade or free

933
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: agency for a pass rush. I think it's to get

934
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: those guys if you're not in the in the early

935
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: part of the draft. I don't like that. I like,

936
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't know as much about him as you guys will,

937
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: but I wonder what you think about Tino Antonsensis and

938
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 1: there's three to sees coming off a shoulder. There's a

939
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: real bigger, different type of player maybe than we have.

940
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: So maybe to take a shot of a guy like him.

941
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: And then in the interior line. I've got my DDP

942
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: draft guys here just came in this week. There are

943
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: some massive men the interior line they just had probably

944
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: get in the third round. I'm talking three hundred and

945
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: forty pounds, So I'd love to see him take a

946
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: shout of the pass rushers from free or our trade

947
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: and take an interior line and maybe defensive lineman, maybe

948
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: down in the third or somebody falls, and I'd love

949
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: to take a cornerback when you do the first or

950
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: the second tick, depending on I think we're at a

951
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: point now where we've got to drafts as much by

952
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: the best player available as much as by what our

953
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: needs are. And the last thing I want to say

954
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: is I am still just in awe or the game

955
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: that Josh Allen played, and it's just it's a crime

956
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: you didn't make the Pro Bowl as far as on

957
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 1: because the original quarterback in the league that I would

958
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: rather have in Josh Allen. And the difference you attach

959
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: it from homes is primarily a couple of the weapons.

960
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: You know, you give Josh a guy like Tyreek killed

961
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: that's just too fast to cover. That'll probably end up

962
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: pretty well anyways. And thank you, thanks so much drafts

963
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: some months in days. Oh sorry, Mike, thanks a lot.

964
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: Appreciate that I was getting ready to hit the button

965
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: too quick, but I appreciate it. Thanks for to call

966
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: mikea and Batavia. He's right, I agree. We've been talking

967
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: about this a lot, and you can look back at

968
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: the way the Bills have drafted in the past, and

969
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: we've been talking about the last couple of days with

970
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: Brown and Chris Brown and I and also with Maddie

971
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: Glab yesterday. Kevin, I see a trend or a philosophy

972
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: working its way out in Buffalo more so than I

973
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: ever had before, and that they take guys in the

974
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: top couple of rounds, two or three or four rounds

975
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: with elite physical traits like Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmonds, Greg

976
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: Rousseau who's nine feet tall and has arms, you know,

977
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: as long as a crane arm. You know, guys that

978
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: are physically built to be different. Spencer Brown, he's six's eight,

979
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: three bills and an athlete, Tommy Doyle same thing, boogie

980
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: bash him, same kind of thing. He's got, position flexibility,

981
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 1: ed Oliver two hundred and eighty pound athlete who showed

982
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: up this year, Tremaine Edmonds, Josh Allen, all these guys

983
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: with these freak physical traits, and even Tradevius White, who

984
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: is a you know, he's a he's not a big,

985
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: huge guy like that, but he's got cornerbacked elite traits.

986
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: So I think when you get into this draft this year.

987
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: Where are those guys gonna be in? What position they play?

988
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think you can look for

989
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: the guys they pick high in this draft to beat

990
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: fit into that mold. Whatever position they get, they're gonna

991
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: be genetically set apart to play it. You know, I

992
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: think you could maybe throw Dawson Knox in there as well, right,

993
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: guy who you know who was a tremendous athlete who

994
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: we said, you know what, will will teach him or

995
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: will help develop him at that position? Yeah? And look,

996
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: and and I think I think the word that I

997
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: just use as a huge part of it, too developing, Right.

998
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing to go get a guy

999
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: who fits the mold, and it's another thing to teach

1000
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: him how to play, teach him the system. And that's

1001
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: obviously the players who are there. The culture is one thing,

1002
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: but the coaches. Look, I mean, how do you not

1003
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: credit Sean McDermott and Leslie Frasier and on the offensive

1004
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: side obviously past few years, Brian Dable. So yeah, look,

1005
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what you know, what's where are the Bills

1006
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: going to go when they're picking late first round? Here?

1007
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: Your guess is as good as mine that so much

1008
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: is dictated by what happens in front of them. You know,

1009
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: what does the board look like at that point? You know,

1010
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: cornerback is is for me as as if I'm if

1011
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the draft, what do I pay premium on?

1012
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: It's to me, it's it's cornerback, It's defensive line, and

1013
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: its offensive line unless you need a quarterback. Those are

1014
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: the three spots that to me, if you can get

1015
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: an elite player in the first round in one of

1016
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: those positions, those are the spots that to me that

1017
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: I would address. And also, I'll say this, Mike from

1018
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: Batavia just cold and he said that, like he listed

1019
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Hughes, Mario Addison, Vernon Butler as the

1020
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: older guys. Well, Vernon Butler's only twenty seven, he'll be

1021
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: twenty eight this seasons. He's young. He's a former first

1022
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: round pick. He was picked I think thirtieth overall or

1023
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: something like that when he was we came out in

1024
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. He's still a young guy. But nevertheless, he

1025
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: was inactive every game this year, almost every game, so

1026
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: he is He's one of those guys that maybe the

1027
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Bills suspect if they pay him, he's he's not going

1028
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: to show up anyway, you know what I mean. I

1029
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: mean he was inactive for most of the season. I

1030
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: don't know that his motor runs high enough. That's what

1031
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: gets guys on the field in Buffalo, particularly upfront on defense.

1032
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: They need to have a motor. Ed Oliver showed it

1033
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: this year. Harrison Phillips showed it this year. Jerry Hughes

1034
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: has always shown it like that. Mario Addison came to

1035
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: play this year, which was a really nice gift for

1036
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: the Bills. He showed up once again. And Greg Rousseau

1037
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: was you know, played really hard and played insistently and

1038
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: played really well all three downs that he was on

1039
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: the field. So I think that's one of the things

1040
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: you look at. And he's right. There are some big

1041
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: dudes in this draft. Big dude Jordan led by Jordan

1042
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: Davis of Georgia. This guy's six six, three hundred forty

1043
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: plus pounds an athlete, Yeah, but he's but he's a

1044
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: two down player in college. He doesn't rush the passer.

1045
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: He's a little bit like the great NFL player was

1046
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: a Ted Washington that played here in Buffalo, played seventeen

1047
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: years and every year of his seventeen year career. He

1048
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: was on a top five run defense, and a lot

1049
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: of it was him. But he couldn't rush the passer.

1050
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: He'd come off the field on third downs. And that's

1051
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: why the Hall of Fame hasn't given him more consideration.

1052
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: Ted Washington was dominant, and he was gigantic by any maation.

1053
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, one of

1054
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: the biggest human beings I've ever seen on the football field.

1055
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the largest men that I've ever seen.

1056
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: He was, and he was an athlete. He was a

1057
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: tremendous football player. But because he couldn't rush the passer,

1058
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: you know that, to me, that is the only reason

1059
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: he's not already in the Hall of Fame. Um. But

1060
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 1: what one other point here that the caller made about

1061
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl? Do you how much stock guy put

1062
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl anymore? It's not that he's saying

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00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 1: Josh Allen should have been a Pro Bowl. You know what,

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00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: Jordan Toyer was an All Pro and he didn't make

1065
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. Think about that for a minute. You're

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00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: good enough to be considered the elite player in your position,

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00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: but you're not good enough to be one of the elite.

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00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl lost me a long time ago. Yeah,

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00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a little bit. Uh well, when they when

1070
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: they allowed the fans to vote, then it became about

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00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: the size of the city and the fan base. And

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00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: you know, when you get a team like New York

1073
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: and la UM, you know, Houston Chicago, those plays, you know,

1074
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: it's it's the way it is. It's it's the life

1075
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: we've chosen here, you know. So that's why it's gonna

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00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: be right. Um, Mike is a good call by Mike.

1077
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: And I said in the break, I told you I

1078
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: got a story about Brian, Jay Ball and Joe Shane,

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00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: and I got a couple of minutes here. I'll just

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00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: do it really briefly. So I Brian day Boles and

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00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: a Buffalo guy. He grew up here and went to

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00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: Saint Francis High School here in Buffalo, the same high

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00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: school that my four sons went to. So we have

1084
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: that connection, right. He was a decade ahead of my boys,

1085
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: or maybe fifteen years ahead of my guys. But you know,

1086
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: we've always had a nice relationship. So we text each

1087
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: other in the off seat his last offseason, and you

1088
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: decide we're gonna play golf. So I take him out

1089
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: to my my golf club. We're gonna I go listen,

1090
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: I like to play early in the morning, and he goes, yeah,

1091
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: that'd be grazy. So we're out there first thing in

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00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: the morning. It is a spectacularly beautiful morning. We're out

1093
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: there playing and we're hitting it around, having fun. We're

1094
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: it's just the two of us, right, not very many

1095
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: people out there. And so he gets it and his

1096
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: phone he's all, you know, coaches are always busy, right,

1097
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: So his phone buzzes and he was Josh Alan. So

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00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Josh is buzzing around and and Josh comes is out

1099
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: at the course. So Josh and his buddy comes zooming

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00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: up on their golf carts to see day Ball. Right. So,

1101
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: because day Ball's his offensive coordinated been together they love

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00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 1: each other, right, So so Josh jumps in, right, him

1103
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: and his buddy jump in with day Ball. And now

1104
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: we got to force him, right. So they're bumping around

1105
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: and we're you know, it's fun, it's no big deal.

1106
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 1: So we get to like the seventh hole or something,

1107
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: and day Ball, you know, he checks his phone every

1108
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: so often. He's not nothing obtrusive or nothing intrusive or anything.

1109
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: He's just you know, trying to be a pro and

1110
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: make sure. So he gets this texting, he goes and

1111
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: you can see his counting. Its change when he gets

1112
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: a text and like something happened. It was serious. So

1113
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: he goes just to say so. He walks off and

1114
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: makes a phone call and I can see him. He's upset,

1115
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: and you know, he's ball. You know, he shaves his head,

1116
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: he's got the beer stuff. His head is the is

1117
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: the color of a turnip, it's purple. He is upset

1118
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: about something. Something has happened that is like blown a gasket, right,

1119
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 1: and he is he's popping a gasket. And so I'm

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00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: we're up. I'm with Josh and his buddy. We're putting

1121
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: out and we're saying, no big deal. And he's on

1122
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: the phone and he's just he's gesticulating, you know, his

1123
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: arms are flying all of he's talking on the phone.

1124
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: He's like and he's really upset. And he comes back

1125
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: and he goes, I forgot when I made this golf

1126
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: date with you. I was supposed to have breakfast with

1127
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: Joe Shane to talk about some prope. I left Joe Shane.

1128
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be there a half an hour

1129
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: ago to have breakfast with Joe Shane. He totally blew

1130
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: him off because he was golfing with me. Were just

1131
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: having fun playing golf with me, right, so he is,

1132
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: and so he is beside himself, like he messed this

1133
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: up so bad. So we go out, we finished the

1134
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: last couple holds now. He leaves at the turn and

1135
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: speeds off to go have breakfast with Joe Shane and

1136
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: Josh like, Josh is a total bro right, Josh can't.

1137
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: He wants to take pictures of day Ball and him

1138
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: together and send him to Joe Shane. He wants to

1139
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: like just totally blow day Balls, blow him out of

1140
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: the water to Shane and let him know that he

1141
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: just totally blew him off. Right, So Josh is he

1142
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: got so much mileage out of that forever, because you know,

1143
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: Dave just forgot, you know, he just forgot about it.

1144
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: He's gonna go play golf, and then he forgot that

1145
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: before that or after that, they had made a breakfast

1146
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: date or whatever, and and all we even Joe was

1147
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: laughing about it, right, he had that's not a big deal, right,

1148
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: Brian was just so upset that he missed the deal.

1149
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 1: Then now fourteen months later, or not even eight months later. Now,

1150
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: Brian Dable is a head coach of the New York Giants,

1151
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: and Joe Shane, the guy who stood up for breakfast,

1152
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: is the GM who hired him. Unbelievable story. I guess

1153
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: the good thing. I guess not. I guess day Ball

1154
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: made it up to him somehow, right, But it was

1155
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: pretty funny because Dave Ball's head turned absolutely purple and

1156
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: he remembered he forgot him. That's a heck. So now

1157
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: again the fome as you Josh Dable, and who's the

1158
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: lucky fourth member. It's Josh's lifelong friend. I can't even

1159
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: remember his name. I can't remember his name. It's just

1160
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: Josh's lifetime childhood friend, college buddy who came in and

1161
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: they were and they were just hanging out and so

1162
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: they they zoomed up in a cart and just joined up.

1163
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't even know two ways about it was.

1164
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: It was pretty funny because Josh absolutely ate it up.

1165
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: So that's what happens in the off season over here

1166
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, Steve Tasker, Kevin Connor. We'll be back to

1167
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: wrap things up here on One Bills Live. You're stay

1168
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: with us. We're here till the top of the hour.

1169
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: After this break, we'll finish things up. Kevin Connor and

1170
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 1: from ESPN, Steve Tasker here on one Bills Live. This

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01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to one Bills Lives.

1172
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: Steps Steve Tasker and Kevin Connor is here. Kevin Connor's

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01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: of ESPN Sports Center. Thanks for joining. It's been great

1174
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: having you. And of all the things we talked about today,

1175
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: one thing we actually really didn't get too far into

1176
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: is and I know the Bills don't have dozens of

1177
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: millions of dollars a cap space, but what is your

1178
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: anticipation of how they're going to work their philosophy in

1179
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: free agency and the last in the past they've signed

1180
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: high value, medium value free you know, Cole Beasley, you

1181
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: know those kind of guys who have come in and

1182
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: really been contributors. John Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, guys like that.

1183
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: Who you know, It's never one of these twenty five

1184
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: million dollars a year guys, but guys who have really

1185
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: wanted to come in and prove themselves. And I would

1186
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: probably anticipate more of that. What do you think? Yeah,

1187
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. I think, you know,

1188
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: one of the things that that Bills fans either love

1189
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: or hate about this this regime is that they do

1190
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: things a very similar way, you know, and I think

1191
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: they placed premium on draft picks. I don't think that

1192
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: going out and listen, we don't have the big kind

1193
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: of money to spend in free agency this this offseason,

1194
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: so I unless they make some dramatic changes and we

1195
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: don't anticipate, I don't think that there's going to be

1196
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: the room to do that, and I'm fine with that.

1197
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: You know. Look, I think that we could use an

1198
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: impact guy getting after the quarterback. We certainly spend enough

1199
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: time talking about that, but that's just not who this

1200
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: team is. I think you're right. I think you're right.

1201
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: I think so they always surprises with the guys they

1202
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: can find and uncover. Kevin, thank you so much for

1203
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: being on today. It's been a real real pleasure to

1204
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: have you. Steve Tasker, We're gonna have a great weekend.

1205
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna be at the Combine next week. Maybe you'll

1206
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: be there. I hope you can come to Indianapolis you

1207
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: can Visitess. We'll have you on. I'd loved I'm not

1208
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I'd love to do