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Speaker 3: Welcome to episode four oh eight. Lily Rose by the

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Speaker 3: way she kills it on TikTok. Yeah, I knew she

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Speaker 3: was crushing, and I knew Villain blew up and I knew,

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Speaker 3: a million TikTok followers a lot Yeah, Lily Rose music

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Speaker 3: official on TikTok, So, Lily Rose is awesome. Here's our

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Speaker 3: song Villain, I'm gonna saying. We featured this on The

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Speaker 3: Women of By Our Country in April of twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 3: but it blew up. I love the song in my Drinks.

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Speaker 3: We featured this on the National Show too as well.

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Speaker 3: Here you go, oh, let's see him.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 3: And finally, her current single is called Sad in the

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Speaker 3: Summer Don't Be Sad. So so I knew of Lily

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Speaker 3: I I don't want to say I watch her on

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Speaker 3: Instagram because it feels like a creep, But I do.

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Speaker 3: I like Fallow. I like watch what she does. And

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Speaker 3: and I was like, she's not gonna think I'm for

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Speaker 3: she's like effort lilessly cool. She's like effortlessly normal with us.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like she just like one of the group.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's the groups. I was three meet you

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Speaker 3: She's out now with Sam Hunt on the summer on

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Speaker 3: she said that. Okay. Here she has Lily Rose, twenty

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Speaker 3: She downloaded TikTok and she did Villain and away she went,

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan. She saw with Big Loud in

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Speaker 3: oh eight. Here she is Lily Rose. I was when

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Speaker 3: How is that gonna affect me here? I mean it

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Speaker 3: But I need to never been to an allergist? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I thought it was like something on the Rich People did, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: funny thing. I got rich. So then it's like you

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Speaker 1: Dude, I would play like eighty to one hundred shows

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Speaker 1: in a fight with somebody, you hope you can kiss

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00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,560
Speaker 1: and make up kind of thing.

441
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:33,639
Speaker 2: And we learned really how.

442
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,439
Speaker 3: To you're punch them. I literally thought, you're like, when

443
00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,840
Speaker 3: you're in a fight with somebody, you like to punch

444
00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,920
Speaker 3: and strangle them. Got it the other way? I felt

445
00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:39,679
Speaker 3: that going, Hey.

446
00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,080
Speaker 1: That is my biggest regret in life that I never

447
00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:41,640
Speaker 1: got in a fight.

448
00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 2: I think I'm too old.

449
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 3: Now, and we'll get to that with me too, go ahead, but.

450
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, so we we did so much

451
00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,199
Speaker 1: communication on face time and everything. I learned every in

452
00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,960
Speaker 1: and out about her more than I would have in

453
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Speaker 1: a normal relationship where you're seeing somebody every day.

454
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Speaker 3: Well, because there are no distractions, you know, if you're

455
00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,600
Speaker 3: phoning it, you've got to kind of be dialed in. Yeah,

456
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,240
Speaker 3: and you got to kind of have a point. It's

457
00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,440
Speaker 3: like even with us talking here, Yeah, I got things

458
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,960
Speaker 3: I want to know. If the conversation tends to go

459
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,720
Speaker 3: somewhere else, great, I'm gonna follow it and see where

460
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,800
Speaker 3: it goes. Yep, same thing there. I can't really get

461
00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,080
Speaker 3: on my phone and just dick around.

462
00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't just sit on TikTok you know kind

463
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,960
Speaker 1: of thing in the same room. It's like the only

464
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,639
Speaker 1: way we're spending time together is actually communicating.

465
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Speaker 3: And then you went from that to being in COVID

466
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Speaker 3: where you're just with each other all the time.

467
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,040
Speaker 2: All the time. And I was working from home.

468
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,000
Speaker 1: I was working for Warby Parker at that time doing

469
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,679
Speaker 1: customer service phones and delivering groceries and stuff. So I

470
00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,720
Speaker 1: was like I was home all the time. She got

471
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,119
Speaker 1: laid off because of the pandemic, so it was a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of time.

473
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Speaker 3: So I tell you, she loved you, and were you

474
00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,760
Speaker 3: ever like, hey, when are you going to tell me?

475
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,920
Speaker 3: When are you going to tell me? No?

476
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Speaker 1: It was that first night that I finally flew to

477
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and we cooked dinner and watching Breakfast Club

478
00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,159
Speaker 1: and I was beating around the bush and she was

479
00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,920
Speaker 1: just like, I love you too, just say it.

480
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:51,600
Speaker 2: And I was like.

481
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280
Speaker 3: Nice, Yeah, where me? It was like, She's like, are

482
00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,040
Speaker 3: you okay? Are you having a seizure?

483
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:00,720
Speaker 1: Little read it?

484
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did it. I did a long hang tight.

485
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're

486
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 5: back on the Bobby Cast.

487
00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,119
Speaker 3: How long did you get mar ried?

488
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,240
Speaker 1: Now? It's been months, two or three months? Yeah, March

489
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: twenty fifth.

490
00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 3: How was that was wedding?

491
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 2: Best day of our lives.

492
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,600
Speaker 1: We did it right at the bridge building on the

493
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 1: pedestrian bridge right there.

494
00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 2: That weird roller coaster thing is when you're.

495
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 3: Working these jobs, because listen, I've had a ton of

496
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 3: jobs too outside of just doing this. But are you

497
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 3: doing these jobs going? I'm just doing this until I

498
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 3: can make enough not to do it, or are you

499
00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,440
Speaker 3: doing these jobs going? I'm working because I got to

500
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Speaker 3: pay the bills and hopefully hopefully one day I can

501
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 3: just I don't. I don't. The mindset's different for everybody.

502
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: Are you is it a means to an end?

503
00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, okay, it was for me.

504
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: You know, I think so many people in my life,

505
00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 1: including my now in laws. You know, when I met them,

506
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: they were kind of like, okay, wow, our daughters bringing

507
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,920
Speaker 1: home not only somebody they love, but.

508
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 2: A girl, Like what do you do.

509
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm an artist and a songwriter, but

510
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:11,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a deal yet. So I work with

511
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: the mall and I deliver groceries and all that, and

512
00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 1: now everyone's kind of like, wow, the hustle. But I

513
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 1: think a lot of people judge me of like why

514
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: are you doing these? These are hard part time jobs.

515
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: It's not even like it was like, oh, I'm just gonna,

516
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 1: you know, drive uber during the day. It was like

517
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: I had one goal at the time. It was a

518
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 1: get a publishing deal because I was like, the way

519
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 1: the town works is a pub deal first and then

520
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 1: maybe go into a development deal, label deal, whatever it is.

521
00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: So I had one one goal and.

522
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I make the perfect amount

523
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: of money while none of it's compromised, Like if you

524
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Speaker 1: found me on Instagram and you wanted me to come

525
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: in for a radio show, or Leslie Fram wants me

526
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,959
Speaker 1: to come in for a meeting or whatever it is.

527
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't have to call out of work, like I

528
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 1: have my days open for whatever opportunity.

529
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Speaker 3: Very linear thinking. I have them the same way. Yeah,

530
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Speaker 3: I try to find the best way to go for

531
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: me to be without anything stumbling in the way. What

532
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 3: kind of student were you?

533
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 2: Awful?

534
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: Really?

535
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 1: It's like I have a lot of street smarts, and

536
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: UH just never could do the academics stuff. I don't

537
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: know if I have add or ADHD who knows, but uh,

538
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 1: I just couldn't concentrate and I just didn't really care.

539
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 2: I was that kid.

540
00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: I went to private Catholic high school, but it was

541
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Speaker 1: like the biggest private school in Georgia, So two hundred

542
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: and fifty kids in my class, and I was yeah,

543
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Speaker 1: and I always joke, I was like, I think we

544
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: had two fifty and I finished like two fifty one.

545
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: Academics wise, Oka.

546
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 3: If you had a private school, why you haven't worked

547
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,479
Speaker 3: on uh?

548
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 1: Because my parents knew that I had the hustle thing,

549
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: and they were just like, go get it kind and

550
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: I just didn't ask. I probably could have asked for

551
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,879
Speaker 1: a little bit more, but I uh, I enjoy the hustle.

552
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 1: Sometimes I sit here and I like see help wanted,

553
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 1: and I still think, Yo.

554
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 2: Should I apply for that job? And I'm like, oh, yeah,

555
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't have to do that anymore.

556
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: I like that. That's you know. And two, it's like

557
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,199
Speaker 3: all the work that you're putting in now, even if

558
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 3: it's not work at your job, but all of the

559
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: hard work that you're doing, it's also a respect that's

560
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 3: being developed in an appreciation that's being developed, and you

561
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: have a lot in common with a lot of people here.

562
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,520
Speaker 3: You also can write songs from from a place too.

563
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of that that goes into hey,

564
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go here with a bank account and

565
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: just try to meet people like. I respect that a lot.

566
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I appreciate it. It's ah, I enjoy it.

567
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: I think if you don't have some little bit of

568
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: a chip on your shoulder, you can kind of get

569
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: lost and a chip and and jaded and everything because

570
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: I want it too bad.

571
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: That's your chip. I got eighty chips, got a bag

572
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,680
Speaker 3: of as. Yeah, what what's your chip?

573
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: Now? For me? I I've really learned this in the

574
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: last like month or two about myself. Is my biggest

575
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 1: red flag is that I want it so bad that

576
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: I get caught up in the comparison game. I get

577
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: caught up in the ship talk I get and all

578
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: of it. And uh, sometimes it's to my own detriment,

579
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, in this town.

580
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: It's a small town. And but my biggest thing.

581
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: And I think back to when I was in high school,

582
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: it's like, when I want to do something, I will

583
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: do it. I just never wanted to do the studying

584
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 1: in the grades. I ended up with the most attentions

585
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 1: and it was in the end of our class academically,

586
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 1: but for some reason, like I was the teacher's favorite

587
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: across the board. Even with those two factors, I think

588
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: I just always really wanted to put my efforts towards

589
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: work and athletics and music and relationships.

590
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: Did you play sports, Yeah, soccer and basketball my whole life?

591
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 3: Or were you best at.

592
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: I got.

593
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: I was like the kid until about eighth or ninth grade,

594
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 1: and I just never got faster, So I was good

595
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: at being slow.

596
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: Towards the end of us.

597
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 3: You were the kid at though, if you had to

598
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 3: pick one, Were you a better soccer player basketball player?

599
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: Basketball? Probably? Yeah, definitely better at basketball. But it was fun.

600
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: It was hard for me.

601
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: I was always the leading scorer in the league or

602
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is in middle school, and then I didn't

603
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: get any faster and I kind of started falling behind.

604
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: Had to transfer high schools at one point.

605
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: And did you work hard?

606
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was always a first kid in, last kid out.

607
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 3: I would have bet that.

608
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, couldn't just couldn't make it work. It didn't click.

609
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: And it wasn't until senior year when I really started

610
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: adopting the artist thing that I would go and I

611
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: do like the talent show and then throw my basketball

612
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: jersey on and kind of have that solace and acceptance

613
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: that I'm on the bench and I'm like, yeah, but

614
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 1: I just did what I'm supposed to do for this.

615
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: When did you start playing music at all or caring

616
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: to learn music.

617
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: So my cousin, who was like my older brother that

618
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: lived in Atlanta, we spent so many holidays and weekends

619
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Speaker 1: with him. He was four years older, and he taught

620
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: me how to play like drums, piano, guitar. So when

621
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 1: I kind of really started showing interest in just rhythm

622
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: and music, my parents got me a drum set when

623
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: I was like nine, which I'm so great.

624
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: First instrument was drums yeah, for a nine year old.

625
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: That sounds like it would be pure torture to live

626
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 3: in a house with a nine year old that had drums.

627
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: It probably was, and got im like an electric heart

628
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: that couldn't even hear, like here's your first instrument.

629
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, here you go.

630
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: But they must have seen something, you know. I was

631
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 1: too young to kind of recognize it. But I just

632
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: grew up in a household where everyone loved music. Like

633
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: my parents didn't play, but my brother and I both do,

634
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: all of my cousins do. It's really bizarre. But you know,

635
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: after dinner, they would let us choose, all right, you

636
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: each get to choose three songs that we're gonna dance to,

637
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: because like we just all had this crazy love of music.

638
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: And they would always let me stay. If you know,

639
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: there's somebody playing Garth Brooks covers at the Mexican restaurant.

640
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: I'd be five years old and I was like, can

641
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: we stay for one more song? And they always said yes.

642
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: They always just let my musicianship kind of be present,

643
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: which I'm grateful for. And then started playing guitar when

644
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: I was twelve, kind of taught myself that. And then

645
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 1: this girl, Taylor Swift came along.

646
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: You never heard ever tell me more?

647
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

648
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: Right, And she and I are the same age roughly.

649
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: So when she was like singing about being fifteen in

650
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: the hallway wanting the senior boy, lol, but uh, I

651
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: was like, that's me. I'm fifteen in the hallway feeling

652
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: alone and wanting to date the senior boy and all

653
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: that stuff.

654
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 2: So I started writing songs.

655
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 3: You said, Lol, did you still want to date boys

656
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 3: as a senior? No?

657
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: I yeah, you know I went to private Catholics.

658
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: Oh, you're right, you went to a Catholic school. I

659
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 3: guess that in the.

660
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: South, like in Atlanta, and I just didn't have I

661
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a clue that I could be myself that early,

662
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: let alone ever be myself. So yeah, I think I

663
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: was in straight up denial. But always would you go

664
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: to college?

665
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

666
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: I did for five years in Athens, Georgia for five years,

667
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: major in life, mined and friendship.

668
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: Baby, So you're a bulldog? You have that, the Georgia bulldog. Yeah, massive,

669
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 3: massive sec guy, big arkeetsall. Yeah, congratulations. You guys are

670
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: awesome and everything that sucks and I hate it and

671
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 3: I hate you for that, but I'm gonna get away

672
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 3: from that. But so you go to Georgia. Was that

673
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: the dream? Yeah?

674
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 1: So I didn't even go to the Georgia. I went

675
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: to the really small.

676
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 3: School, went to Athens and went to a different school

677
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: that wasn't Georgia.

678
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: You could not get into you could not get into

679
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: the University of Georgia if you lived in Atlanta, especially

680
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: if you're a private school kid without like a four

681
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: to one.

682
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 3: I'm surprised there's another school in Athens.

683
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, University of North Georgia Nighthawks. Baby, So you go

684
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: to u n G yep U and G. And the

685
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: plan was for me to do that for about a

686
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: year and a half, two years and then transfer to UGA.

687
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: But I really picked up on the music stuff. And

688
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: I was also working at Universe, at the University of

689
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: Georgia in the gym, I had like five jobs.

690
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: You but you worked on campus University Georgia, yep.

691
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: So I was like faculty staff. So I still got

692
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: the exact same experience.

693
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but there is some truth to that.

694
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: Ish.

695
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're there a lot, you're getting to do

696
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: a lot of the stuff because a lot of college

697
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 3: is just be in there.

698
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like Athens is wild.

699
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: So for me to get to be a part of

700
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the student Recreation Center and like all of that. Every

701
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: single day that I ended up working my way up

702
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: to when the professional staff salary people would leave at

703
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: five o'clock. I ran the second biggest student union gym

704
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: in the country. Like that was one of my jobs

705
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: that I did. So I was extremely immersed in the

706
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: Bulldog community because I love it so much, But academics wise.

707
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: Not a shot.

708
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 3: I never went to the University of Arkansas because I

709
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 3: couldn't afford it and I had to work, and I

710
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: always hated that, and I was always embarrassed at that

711
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: because I'm I'm so proud of it and I've just

712
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 3: a big part of my personality. It's my favorite thing

713
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: in the whole world. Yeah, it's the only consistent thing

714
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 3: that I had growing up. Was I knew when the

715
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 3: games were and no matter where I lived or who

716
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: I was living with or where, it was always on.

717
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: Like that's my consistency and I still hold on to

718
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: it for that, So I'm so passionate about it and

719
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: that's why I love it. But I was always so

720
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: embarrassed cause people would be like, where'd you go to school,

721
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: am I Well, Luckily I now I can say I'm

722
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: an alumni because they get me an unrady doctorate. So

723
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: now people are where do you go to school? It's

724
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: like Arkansas. I'm alive, but I know, yeah, it's.

725
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: But I'm with you.

726
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I truly would run out into the street

727
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: for the University of Georgia.

728
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: I wish a whole lot of you fans would just

729
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 3: go away.

730
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: Hey, my drummers, we picked so.

731
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: But you're not as annoying as Alabama fans. No, and

732
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: not near annoying as Tennessee fans. No.

733
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: Oh god, they're the worst.

734
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 3: And maybe because we live in them. And I often say,

735
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 3: because I do a sports podcast, I often say, if

736
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: I don't like your fan base, it's because I'm annoyed

737
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: that you probably beat us. Probably, I mean that's because.

738
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: Rarely that's how we feel about Alabama all these years.

739
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: Rarely do I go, oh, man, you know, I hate

740
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: man Kentucky football.

741
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: Arkansas is always hard, so it's.

742
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 3: Like Kentucky basketball. Maybe I get annoyed hundred percent, but

743
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 3: it's always a compliment. When I hate a fan base,

744
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: I like individuals and that I like individually a lot

745
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: of Tennessee fans.

746
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

747
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, if there's like more than three, I like to

748
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: push them off the bridge together as a group.

749
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: They just they think that they're a little bit better

750
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: than they are right now. I'm glad you guys beat

751
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: Alabama seeing.

752
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 3: Rocky Top all the way down because I push you

753
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: off the bridge.

754
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 4: Uh.

755
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 3: Are you playing shows in college?

756
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

757
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: So freshman year I started doing open mics and stuff

758
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: like that where I could play like a.

759
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: Cover in an original.

760
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: And there was this one bar called bores Head that

761
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: they did it on Wednesdays, and I just kind of

762
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: chipped my way through of like I would do the

763
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Wednesday night open my and then they would offer me, Hey,

764
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: do you want to do the eleven pm to two

765
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: am Thursday slot for one hundred dollars?

766
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: Like hell yeah.

767
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: And then it was like, hey do you want to

768
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: do the Friday And then it turned into like we

769
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: were kind of the biggest cover band in Athens.

770
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

771
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: So I eventually, you know, when they're paying me a

772
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: little bit more, like, you know, two hundred and fifty

773
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: dollars for a four hour set, but it's after a

774
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: home game and it's packed and it's wild, You're getting

775
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: tips and all that.

776
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: It was dope, but I really just want to play

777
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: my originals.

778
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: I just I always had that thing where I was like,

779
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: this is dope, and I love being on stage, but

780
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to play other people's songs. So I

781
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: would also try to rout us and go and play

782
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: in like coffee shops for hour and a half gigs

783
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: where we can play you know, hour of originals and

784
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: thirty minutes of covers. So we got up to about

785
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: one hundred shows a year through the Southeast that I

786
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 1: didn't have management booking agents.

787
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: You're talking about the whole Southeast, like South Carolina, Florida,

788
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: I mean all.

789
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: That North Carolina. They weren't.

790
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was definitely like the most

791
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: word of mouth thing ever.

792
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: But I mean we would maybe be able.

793
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: To put We could sell out shows in Atlanta like

794
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Eddie's Attack and Dismissile Bar three hundred cap rooms.

795
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: Were you calling other places in other states being like, hey,

796
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: we're coming through, do you have or like people hear

797
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: about you in bar or all email?

798
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: So there was this like it's called it was called

799
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: Indie on the Move, and it was just a database

800
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: of clubs and bars throughout the country, and you could

801
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of put your radius and whatever you wanted to do,

802
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: and literally just would email. When I moved here, I

803
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: would sit at Ugly Mugs in East Nashville and spend

804
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: like eight hours a day emailing places.

805
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: It sounds like what politicians do. Yeah, for a while,

806
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: I thought, and I still think I will eventually, but

807
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: I thought I would, even this last selection, go run

808
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 3: for governor of Arkansas.

809
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

810
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 3: Oddly, both sides were coming after me, going, hey, come

811
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: run on our side, Come on our side, because I

812
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: definitely socially am definitely more of a Democrat when it

813
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: comes to fiscally, and you know, we could go to

814
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 3: all I definitely have super conservative views in ways, but

815
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: then again, I grew up on welfare and sure, so

816
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: I just think I'm not in the middle. But I

817
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: have things that are oddly polar about me on sides.

818
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: And I grew up in the South and I had guns,

819
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 3: but I'm also like, hey, everybody shouldn't have a freaking gun.

820
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: And people don't understand what the Second Amendment even was.

821
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 3: All of that to be said, it was, hey, you're

822
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: gonna run for office, we'd love you run for office.

823
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: We got you understand, five to six hours a day

824
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: you're on the phone asking for money. Yeah, like that's

825
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: what it is.

826
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: That my cousin does that for a living for DeSantis.

827
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, she alls and says we need and it's

828
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 3: all money.

829
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, she flies and you know, does the handshakes and

830
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: knocks on the doors and.

831
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: It's all wild.

832
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're just the CEO of yourself, you know,

833
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter how successful you are. I still

834
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: feel that way now, where my whole team. Everyone in

835
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: town kind of laughs because it's like if there's an

836
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: app party, I am there and I will be the

837
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: last one there because I want to make sure that

838
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: I just know everybody in town because you never know.

839
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: You got to work for your brand.

840
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 3: It's definitely like you're running for office.

841
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, relationships, they're so important.

842
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 5: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

843
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: Bobby cast.

844
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: Something that I'm not good at that you are, just

845
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: because I experienced it myself a couple of months ago,

846
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 3: is that you're very warm and you're very You'll go

847
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: up and just be direct and be like what up. Yeah,

848
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: it's almost scary. I'm like, what did I do. Oh no,

849
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: and I do. And I really tried. I tried not

850
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: to be that Nashville person that's like, we should do this, sure,

851
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: for sure. I hate when people do that.

852
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should write some time, we should write, we

853
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: should hang out.

854
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: And I remember talking to you and I was like, hey,

855
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you on.

856
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 3: Like And if I would have been me and I

858
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 3: would have heard that from me, I'd have been like, Okay,

859
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 3: there's just what people say when they see each other

860
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: at places like this.

861
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: But I actually believed it when you said it good,

862
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, I meant it. Yeah, And I left.

863
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 3: Going and I told Mike. I was like, hey, let's

864
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 3: try to figure this out. And I was like, I

865
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: bet you thought I was full of crap.

866
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Now that's your reputation. You're not gonna you're not gonna

867
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: say anything.

868
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: You don't want to say a part of it.

869
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Maybe I know, Hey, it's the good side.

870
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: I respect that.

871
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: I respect that.

872
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: So, okay, when do you move here? And why do

873
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 3: you move here? What was the what was that? Yeah?

874
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: So i'd you know, been in Athens for it was

875
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: about four and a half years, and there was no

876
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: sights of graduating at all, and I wanted to drop

877
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: out since sophomore year. My dad and mom were both like, no,

878
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: you got to stay in school, but we'll support you.

879
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Going to do the music thing and all that. I

880
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: was working all those jobs and I looked at my

881
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: dad and I was like, I'm going to Nashville. I

882
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: really wanted to go to Belmont my freshman year and.

883
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: My dad study music.

884
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And my dad was like, you're not.

885
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: We're not paying all this money for you to go

886
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: learn how to be on stage and write a song.

887
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Go to Athens plenty of plenty of music things to

888
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: do there and figure it out. And I'm so grateful

889
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: for that, because I thought I learned I would have

890
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: learned so much at Belmont and the connections and relationships

891
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: are just unmatched music business wise.

892
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: But I learned how to be on stage.

893
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: I learned what it was going to be like if

894
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: my tuner goes out in the middle of a big song,

895
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: and how to run ableton and how to be a

896
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: boss on the road, and all of that that I

897
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: would have never gotten if I had moved directly here.

898
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: You moved to Nashville twenty seventeen. Got to meet really right,

899
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: really Yeah, when was the pandemic? What year was that?

900
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty?

901
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 3: My I don't know what years are what anymore? I'm

902
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: not I'm sure what year I was born anymore. I

903
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: was like, when was the pandemic? Okay, what year was

904
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: I born? So okay, see you at least have a

905
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: couple of few years here. Yeah, you get here. Does

906
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: it just seem the word is not impossible? Does it

907
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 3: seem just like it's so deep that it's just going

908
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: to be so hard to finally get to the surface. Yeah,

909
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: especially if you don't know anybody.

910
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know anybody when I moved up here.

911
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: I had one friend who now ends up running all

912
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: of like riserhouses and our Kirby Smith. But she was awesome.

913
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: It would always take me out for lunch and answer

914
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: my questions. But I just I don't know if I

915
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: just wasn't there yet. Songwriting wise, I'd never co written

916
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: ever in my life. I always wrote one hundred percent

917
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: of my stuff. And I was sitting there and I

918
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: was always just trying to write and be the next this,

919
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this song, I'm so inspired

920
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: by that Ben Rector song. Let me go try to

921
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: write one just like it, or Bruce Springsteen or Katy Perry,

922
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Maroon Five, like all these influences. And then I started

923
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: co writing when I finally gained a little bit of

924
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: a community here and I was like, oh my gosh,

925
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: this is my stuff. Like I feel like I'm writing

926
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: Lily Rose for the first time. And again, I didn't

927
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: really have a genre.

928
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: I still don't think that I do.

929
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I definitely have twang in my voice and country and storytelling,

930
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: but I definitely didn't have a genre back then. And

931
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: when we were writing all these songs, I was like,

932
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: this is country music. I'm supposed to be an artist

933
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: and country people that you mentioned Rector, yeah, Springsteen, Katy Perry,

934
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: and like need to Breathe was huge.

935
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: Are those all artists? Are they random as it came

936
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: to your head? Or like who's your mount rushmore of

937
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say favorite to listen to, but like

938
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: people that you think kind of shaped you as an artist.

939
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: Springsteen for sure, Katy Perry for sure, I would say,

940
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 1: Maroon five, and then yeah, probably Rector it's probably been

941
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: or Need to Breathe would be in that last slot

942
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: of the the show. I always loved their shows.

943
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: I would go see them all the time you met

944
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 3: Ben No terrible guy. Yeah, I've heard just he will

945
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: turn your back, he will steal.

946
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 2: Your wall, cannot play the piano, awful, he.

947
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: Has not sincere she has a terrible dude.

948
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a.

949
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: Big, big fan. I think I've seen him eleven twelve times.

950
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: He's like literally on my dearest friends. Yeah, he's the greatest. Yeah, no,

951
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: I've I bet and he does the greatest shows and

952
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 3: he's the most dude.

953
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: The only time I ever paid for VIP.

954
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: You paid for VP director. Yeah, that's hilarious.

955
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: Because I was just dying to see and do his

956
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Q and A with people, and I always thought he

957
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: was so kind. I was in the middle of making

958
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: my first EP at the time, too, and it's not

959
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: a lot of times that you get to shake somebody's

960
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: hand and be like, hey, I'm making my first record ever,

961
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: and you've been a huge influence for me. And it's

962
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: always kind of taught me when I'm doing my VIPs

963
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: now to really make sure you're just intentional with every

964
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: single person in line.

965
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: You know.

966
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: You know, well, he probably stole all his music anyway,

967
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: I ripped it all off.

968
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: That man is independent.

969
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's killing it. Yeah, it's awesome. So you're figuring

970
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 3: out who you are. And again, you didn't have a genre,

971
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 3: but Nashville you can kind of come to just because

972
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: the just the guts of this town's music. Of course

973
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: it's country, yeah, but it's more than that because the

974
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: satan writers are here, the studios are here, the pup

975
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: So I feel like your country. I just wouldn't have

976
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: ever thought you weren't. Yeah.

977
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up listening to country like my parents didn't,

978
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: and none of my friend's parents did either. But seventh grade,

979
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: somebody put on I Go Back on a boombox in

980
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: my backyard and I was like.

981
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: What is that?

982
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: But that's also okay. Who I really don't like are

983
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: the people that are well if you didn't know, if

984
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: you can't, you know, differentiate Merle from Whalen, And it's like,

985
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: that is not fair, Yeah, because you're cutting out such

986
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: a wonderfully talented group of people that have the same

987
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: fundamental country storytelling we I donould say country, but like

988
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: storytelling sensibilities. I mean, you just happen to be from

989
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: the southeast, but heck, you could have been from southern California.

990
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: But it's all an understanding and how you're doing the

991
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: art more than anything else.

992
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: Hundred percent.

993
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean sometimes, you know, when I first when

994
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: Villain exploded and I was really starting to do these

995
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: interviews and press the stuff like that, I would get

996
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: so nervous when people rapid fire questions you could have

997
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: any genre or any era of country music, what would

998
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: it be? And I was like, Ah, should I just

999
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: be fake and say the nineties? And I'm like, you

1000
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: want to know what, screw it? The Rascal Flats era.

1001
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 1: I am like five to twenty eleven.

1002
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: And that's honestly the most fun answer to get whenever

1003
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 3: you're an interviewer talking to somebody. Yeah, and I've made

1004
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: jokes about how people have to be like, oh, you

1005
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: know Cash. Now. Luckily for me, I grew up in

1006
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: Arkansas and Johnny Cash was from Arkansas. My grandma was

1007
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: obsessed with him. So I had all that forced on me. Yeah, had,

1008
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: and I had forced on me. I probablyouldn't have found

1009
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: it right. So I don't think that there's a difference

1010
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: really in you hearing I go back in seventh grade

1011
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 3: and my grandma going you have to listen to Johnny

1012
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: Cash because he's like Gus, he's from Arkansas. No difference.

1013
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: I don't think there is either.

1014
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: And I'm so excited when people tell me I never

1015
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: liked country music and then I heard you and I'm

1016
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: in and it was like my gateway. And I think

1017
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: Morgan does that for the genre the best right now

1018
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: for everyone. But it's like, what is the difference of

1019
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: you know, everyone has, whether it's your grandma's playing it

1020
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: for you.

1021
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 3: And I got a bit I mentioned this maybe one

1022
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: of the last two. I got a bit that I

1023
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 3: do in my stand up act that I talk about

1024
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: how people make fun of well, I ain't country. Well,

1025
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: then the only things that are country are artists of

1026
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 3: color from Africa that brought the banjo over or Europeans

1027
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 3: that brought the fiddle. Yeah, like that's lid to really. Yeah,

1028
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: none of that's the genesis of country music. That's where

1029
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 3: the banjo comes from in the Southeast. Was slaves coming

1030
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 3: a from the slave ship. Yeah, so it's somebody it's like, well,

1031
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 3: I ain't overalls and chewing on a straw. I'm talking

1032
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: about a truck that I ain't. It's like you have

1033
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: your the most uneducated people are the ones that say that.

1034
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean there's there's a lot of truth

1035
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: in country music that doesn't have to revolve.

1036
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 3: Around absolutely trucks. It really fires me up. Yeah, I'm

1037
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 3: talking about me too, just and I you know, country,

1038
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: I was not a cowboy. I was more of a hillbilly. Yeah,

1039
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: some would say a redneck even at times, just from

1040
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: where I was. And so yeah, I never wore a cowboy.

1041
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 3: I won't wear a cowboy hea now because I'm a

1042
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: cowboy and I don't want to leave him act like

1043
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 3: I was a cowboy ever. But when I first moved here,

1044
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: but because I had done pop and hip hop and

1045
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: sports and alternative, and it's like, well, you're not country,

1046
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, bro, wy, don't you come to the trailer

1047
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: park in Arkansas? Yeah, tell me what I ain't you know,

1048
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 3: we're all so yeah, I hate that for you. That

1049
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: not just for you, but you, the understood you of

1050
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: people that are super talented, have a voice, an authentic message,

1051
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 3: and then you're told what you are and what you aren't.

1052
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like and if you look at it,

1053
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: I've now loved country music for more years than I haven't,

1054
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, like I've loved it for more than half

1055
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: of my life now, so.

1056
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 3: Well that'd being said too. If there's like a pop

1057
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: star that is like struggling and they come over and

1058
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: want to do country, I'm like, all right, I mean right,

1059
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: But then there are some who love it, who come

1060
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: over who like actually like the like Diplo. Diplo loves

1061
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: country music.

1062
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: He loves country.

1063
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: It's not even his first fouray into it, Like with

1064
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: what you guys are doing together.

1065
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: That man loves country music. It is a It's been

1066
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: really fun.

1067
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: To watch him.

1068
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to do country music, I guess, is

1069
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 3: my point. Sometimes they'll be like, and I don't want

1070
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: to take a shot out of him, like Brett Michaels

1071
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: who was in poison, who decided to lunch of country career,

1072
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: who was super nice. Sure, but it's like you're doing

1073
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 3: a country because the other stuff's not working new, so

1074
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna come up that I don't love.

1075
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1076
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1077
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 3: When I came here from Austin, I was killing it.

1078
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1079
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: I did not have to come here. Yeah I wanted

1080
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: to come here. Yeah, And that I like.

1081
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: That was me too, Like I could have gone to

1082
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: La like I really had thoughts of like, if I'm

1083
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: gonna go more in a pop direction artists wise, LA

1084
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: seems like the place to be.

1085
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: But I was like, I want to write country songs.

1086
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: Whenever you said, hey, I'm a country artist and you

1087
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: started to talk to managers or publishers where they were like,

1088
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 3: h you got a dated dude. Can't date girls and countries? No, no, no.

1089
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: Also, like, no one gave me the time of day

1090
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: until Villain.

1091
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: So it was that just they didn't say that.

1092
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I legit had never been contacted or

1093
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 1: answered by a single person in town until I don't

1094
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: lead to TikTok and.

1095
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: Did it a little late?

1096
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: I guess not really in retrospect, but it's like twenty

1097
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: twenty and I saw Priscilla and Janakis both get deals

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00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, I have good songs too, I'm

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00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: gonna download it. I feel too old for the app.

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Speaker 1: I was twenty seven at the time. I was like,

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00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm not dancing or anything like that. And I put

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00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: up every demo I had and one of them did

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00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: pretty well. I was coming over from Instagram with like

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00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: two thousand followers.

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Speaker 3: What was the one that did pretty well? They gave

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00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: you a little hope but wasn't filling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a song called two Lonely People. People

1108
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: still comment and want it all the time, but it's

1109
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: not happening. But Rikaya Marshall actually slid into my DMS.

1110
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: She was working, so she was working as a publisher

1111
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: at BMG at the time. She also dated Seth England.

1112
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Speaker 1: They now have a kid together and are engaged it.

1113
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,479
Speaker 1: But little did I know she was trying to start

1114
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: her own company. But I just saw her as like

1115
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: she works at BMG, Holy cow, I can get a

1116
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year pub deal.

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Speaker 2: She likes my voice all this, and I went over

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00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: to her.

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00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: How like three days later met Seth and we just

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00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: listened through fifteen songs, Villain being one of them, and

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00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: I still give them hell of this day that they

1122
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: were kind of like, let's keep in touch, Like I

1123
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: don't think the songs are there yet, but let's keep

1124
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: in touch. And I was listening to that Matthew McConaughey

1125
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: book Green Lights while I was delivering groceries at the time,

1126
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, you want to know what, this

1127
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: is not a red light, this is a yellow light.

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00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I've just got to post everything and I have to

1129
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: really dive into this TikTok thing. And we posted Villain

1130
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: and think it got like thirteen million views in like

1131
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: three videos in a week, which like no one had

1132
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: done that yet in country. And Rakaya Marshall was my

1133
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: first call. She was like, hey, you want to do

1134
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: a fifty to fifty master deal to meet with some

1135
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: record labels and get you a team together.

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Speaker 2: It was like absolutely.

1137
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 3: For you to go, let's just put it all up again.

1138
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 3: This is what I like. Just there's just a theme

1139
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 3: of things that I like about you, but it's just

1140
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: generally in the same little world, your same brand. It's like,

1141
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 3: you know, when you put up all these videos, some

1142
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 3: of them are not going to get any traction.

1143
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: Dude.

1144
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: The first video I put up, I said, if I

1145
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: get fifty followers today on TikTok, I will release the

1146
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: rest of this demo. And I got like thirty followers.

1147
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: Why I still release the rest of the demo? But

1148
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: uh yeah, you know, I wasn't I wasn't on the

1149
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: Voice or American Idol, and I didn't come over with

1150
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of followers, and this like it was

1151
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: just truly bootstrapping from day one, even with TikTok and

1152
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: and I'm grateful it's been cool, but.

1153
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: I feel like it's unfair and some of the older artists,

1154
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 3: but I've seen this through a couple of generations, and

1155
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 3: even me working on American Idol for four years or so,

1156
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 3: definitely on the back side of that show. But when

1157
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: people are like, man, these TikTok artists, they just that

1158
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: same thing was said about all these people on American

1159
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 3: Idol on the Vorce, that same thing was said about man.

1160
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: They are first on Star Search that saying.

1161
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: It's yeah, Facebook, you know, like you don't think of

1162
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: Caan Brown as a Facebook artist.

1163
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: Right, It's always going to happen. It's always happened, and

1164
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 3: it will continue happening with something else, And there's always

1165
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: going to be that one and a half generation older

1166
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: group that's still somewhat relevant. But they're irritated that what

1167
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 3: they had to go through was harder. I would compare

1168
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: it to people who don't want people student loans to

1169
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 3: be covered, because listen, I'd have to take any student loans.

1170
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 3: Luckily I was very smart and or I wouldn't been

1171
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: able to college. So at Almos School, paid for for

1172
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: like Maze t Score. But if all of a sudden

1173
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: they said we're going to pay for everybody's student loans,

1174
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: I shouldn't go, well, I didn't get mine paid for.

1175
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 3: This sucks, they shouldn't get theirs. No, yeah, I have

1176
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: nothing to do. That has nothing to do with me.

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00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: And so same thing with this. Well they made it

1178
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 3: on TikTok. They did, but that's that has anything to

1179
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 3: do with you. And it's happened that way. Every single

1180
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: generation decade has been something else that's happened with It's

1181
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: just a tool, it's yeah. And when it was happening

1182
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: to people coming off the voice and IDOL, I'm like, bros,

1183
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: if this opportunity or this was in front of you

1184
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 3: to go to this to try, you would do it.

1185
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: And if you want it, that's on you.

1186
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: People make it every different way, every way, and it's

1187
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: been cool. If we now have been around long enough

1188
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: that I don't think anybody thinks of I.

1189
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 3: Didn't even know. I'll be honest with you, I don't

1190
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 3: think it. I didn't even know you.

1191
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: Good.

1192
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: That's been my goal from day one, and I was

1193
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: really lucky that I had leverage and I didn't have

1194
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: a single member of a team. Rakaya kind of starting

1195
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: as a nucleus, and I got to really hand pick

1196
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: a team that shares the same vision back at the

1197
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: time of like, I don't want to be the TikTok artist.

1198
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: Let's make sure the narrative is not that. And also

1199
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the gay artist. I want

1200
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: to just be Lily.

1201
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 3: You know what I feel like, this is me just

1202
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 3: pointing out things I like about you. And if that's uncomfortable,

1203
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: well then that's weird. It should be really comfortable. Is

1204
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 3: that I didn't know your TikTok artists, That's fine, But

1205
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 3: the fact that you still brought it up, like I

1206
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 3: even like that that you're like, I download a TikTok

1207
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 3: and a way we went. Because you're also not running

1208
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: from it. You're not screaming, hey, this is what facts. Yeah,

1209
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 3: Because again, having really talked to a lot of folks

1210
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 3: on Mike's and off if they got their first success

1211
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: from TikTok, some people are embarrassed by it now, and

1212
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, you should not be You shouldn't be embarrassed.

1213
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 3: It's like a model walking through the mall. Somebody sees

1214
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 3: you and you're just hot. You shouldn't be embarrassed that

1215
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: you didn't go into these models. You were just hot.

1216
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gone through waves with it. I would imagine

1217
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: of just my biggest thing is I care a lot

1218
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: about what people think, and I do my best to

1219
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: not but yeah, I was worried in town of just

1220
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: like other artists and people I respect a lot. I

1221
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: didn't know what they thought, but I was like, yo,

1222
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: head down. Years from now, nobody will remember me as

1223
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: the TikToker.

1224
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: I literally did not know. That's what.

1225
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: That was good, that's great, and it worked.

1226
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: Then that happened, and I've forgotten too, because again, success

1227
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: kind of camouflages all of the past that you do

1228
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: or don't want known. You have success, big things, shinier

1229
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: things kind of keep your eyes looking at it more

1230
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 3: than the past. Even like Megan, I was telling her,

1231
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: it was like, you're not the TikTok artist to me anymore.

1232
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: No.

1233
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 2: I don't even think of her that way either, So.

1234
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, Danielle brad Berry, Yeah, you know, and

1235
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't. I think she's probably still looking for the

1236
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: huge successes, but she's not the little kid on the voice.

1237
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: No, not at all.

1238
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: Everybody has a job, and people don't look at me

1239
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: as the kid on KLAZ in Hot Springs, Arkansas who

1240
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: begged to get a job and got lucky because somebody

1241
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 3: got fired and after I was cleaning. Yeah.

1242
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: No, it's just a lot of little decisions that you make.

1243
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yours has talent, though mine just happened to be there.

1244
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: They're scubbing a bathroom and they're like, hey guy, you

1245
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 3: you come in here.

1246
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: You got that hustle.

1247
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

1248
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast.

1249
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: Your dad and broadcasting as some sort of Yeah.

1250
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 2: He still is. He works for Cox down in Atlanta

1251
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: doing what so.

1252
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: He has been their marketing director for all their station

1253
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, Since I was a baby,

1254
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: He's kept a job in radio at Cox. He has

1255
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: been at Cox how long? For thirty two years?

1256
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 3: That's wild.

1257
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad, You know, my dad made so many

1258
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: incredible sacrifices to be the best dad he could be

1259
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: while also being the best husband and boss and friend

1260
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: and brother and a lot of those where he did

1261
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: not want us to have to pick up and move

1262
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: and my brother and I have to go to a

1263
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: bunch of different schools and cities because he turned down

1264
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: jobs and probably like San Antonio and Tampa and Dayton,

1265
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: all those Cox cities.

1266
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 3: I think it's crazy he's able to keep a job

1267
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 3: for thirty two years in radio. He's the worst industry ever.

1268
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, it is what it is.

1269
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: But he's brilliant, like he's a unicorn, and they just

1270
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: find so much value in him.

1271
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 3: And does he have naked pictures of the boss? He

1272
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: does have a question? Okay, not yet, not that I

1273
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: know of. I'm just saying I don't really believe in

1274
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: the jinks. Yeah, I've been lucky enough to go for

1275
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: Oh god, dang, I only like that number. But like

1276
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 3: twenty four years.

1277
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, And he's been on the Bulldog's broadcast, so

1278
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: he also does the football.

1279
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: He's on the broadcast team for them.

1280
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: Wait, what does he do?

1281
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: He's like the pregame halftime in postgame games on It's Awesome.

1282
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: He used to be on the Gary McKee morning show

1283
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: back in the day for.

1284
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: Starting for It.

1285
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 3: Does the broadcast for That's Awesome. Yeah, I at one time,

1286
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: this is how awesome I think that is. Yeah, I

1287
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: at one time flirted with the idea in the last

1288
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: few years. I was like, I think I want to

1289
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 3: go be part of the Arkansas Football badcast team. And

1290
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 3: my team was like, it's gonna cost you more money

1291
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: to get there and do that, yeah, because it doesn't pay. No,

1292
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 3: that's my hobby and you're gonna have to fly usually

1293
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: somebody who lives there or move. And I was like,

1294
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 3: but I love it so much.

1295
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: That's such a cool that's so like, Yeah, it's the best.

1296
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I did not have a choice but to

1297
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,479
Speaker 1: bleed red and black. And we've seen every big game,

1298
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: gone to all the natties and everything.

1299
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: If your dad's gonna hear this, but that's cool, man,

1300
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 3: that's dope.

1301
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: That is he is. He loves this podcast even if

1302
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: I'm not on it.

1303
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 3: But sad in the summer. Yeah, how do you and

1304
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 3: diplo ever even meet?

1305
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: Oh man? It was December of twenty twenty, twenty twenty.

1306
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: Holy cow. I just signed it big loud and.

1307
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 3: Uh right for publishing.

1308
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 2: No for label, yeaheah.

1309
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 1: For a label And yeah, I was like right after

1310
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: Villain and they sent me this whole playlist of like

1311
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of songs. They were like, hey, I know

1312
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: you write all your own songs, but if you want

1313
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: any of these outside, here's like twenty five songs we

1314
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: put together for you that we think you'd crush. And

1315
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: Sad in the Summer was on there, and it was

1316
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: like a guitar vocal and Seth was like, Hey, I

1317
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: want you to put your vocal on this song and

1318
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: we're just gonna send it to Diplo. And I was like,

1319
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: it's just a guitar vocal, Like what do you what?

1320
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: He what's he gonna do with that?

1321
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:49,919
Speaker 2: And I did.

1322
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: I was super sick also when I did it, so

1323
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: my voice was really raspy, and we sent it over.

1324
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: I met Diplo that following Christmas. He DJ'ed our Christmas

1325
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: party at Big Loud.

1326
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 3: Was that's legit.

1327
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 2: It was a time.

1328
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: But we all went to the Titans game the day

1329
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: before and got to hang out and uh and then

1330
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: just out of nowhere, in like August of twenty twenty two,

1331
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: he sent over sat in the Summer.

1332
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: It was this whole like disco track. We kind of

1333
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: just sat there.

1334
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 3: And waited with you on it.

1335
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, with that exact same we had hopes, but

1336
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 2: like you know, yeah, Wes Wes has Wes's timeline.

1337
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: He's such an artist that he does things exactly when

1338
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: he wants to. So we were all kind of like, yo,

1339
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: if he does Thomas Wesley too, hopefully we're on it.

1340
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 2: And they sent that over and we were like, oh.

1341
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: Boy, how do you play that in your shows? Oh?

1342
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: It's fun.

1343
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: We uh a lot of tracks underneath, but also it's

1344
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: a bit heavier, more guitar part on that d D

1345
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, we go heavy with it, a little

1346
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: halftime headbanging.

1347
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: Do people ever confuse you with Lily Rose Depp?

1348
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah.

1349
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: But Dipplo and I were like, yo, we should just

1350
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: start a du owning Lily Rose dip and like throw

1351
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: it all off.

1352
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: You know it would break it. I throw it all

1353
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: more so than it already does.

1354
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my pinnacle of success when you can

1355
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: google Lily Rose and it's me first and not her.

1356
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: Well, so I googled today just to see mostly do

1357
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 3: google the news to make sure that nobody got funding

1358
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 3: bad before they come in, and you're all clear, don't worry.

1359
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 3: They basically did a background checks, say, but there's only

1360
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 3: one thing of her before you. Yeah, so it's.

1361
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: Good I mean, she's such an artist and an entertainer.

1362
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: She does so many things.

1363
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just saying, it's not like ten things

1364
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 3: and then sure are you that's good? Yeah for climbing

1365
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: up baby, exactly. You're almost where you want to be.

1366
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: So you're out with Sam.

1367
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we start that tour in two weeks out. Yeah

1368
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,359
Speaker 2: festivals right now.

1369
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 3: Man. Sam's good dude.

1370
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: He took us out last year for about five weeks,

1371
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 1: so you've been out with them. Yeah, So for him

1372
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: to bring us on the entire tour this summer, He's

1373
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: the reason I moved to Nashville and not La.

1374
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 3: You like him, love him. He's a good dude.

1375
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: He's like my biggest influence in country music. When he

1376
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: put out that Between the Pines mixtape and twenty fourteen,

1377
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: I would sit there and just try to recreate all

1378
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: those teach myself logic, do all of it. And he's

1379
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: really what made me be like, I want to write

1380
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 1: Oh if that's country, I know I can go and

1381
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: write country songs.

1382
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 3: Sam's the example to me of someone who a lot

1383
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 3: of people when he first came out and had success,

1384
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 3: not I'm not gonna say the majority, but a lot

1385
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 3: of people were like, this is not country, this is

1386
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 3: not what the music should be doing, like program directors,

1387
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: like playlist creators, even people at record labels that weren't his.

1388
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:30,879
Speaker 3: This is not it, this is not it. But when

1389
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: it pops so hard, then you heard all the other

1390
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: artists started to take elements from it, and it went

1391
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 3: from being what was far to the left of the

1392
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: right to it was what everybod else was trying to do.

1393
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: So he'd create Like no one else would let him

1394
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 3: on the road, So he created his own road. And

1395
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 3: he's out driving on the road by himself, and all

1396
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 3: of sudden, everybody on the same road behind him.

1397
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: I'm such a big believer.

1398
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: I've always said that of you know, in Athens, I

1399
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: would I'd be able to pack out the bars and

1400
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: put four hundred people in headlining shows. But if a

1401
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: country are came through that was playing the Georgia Theater,

1402
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: they would never look at me. They will they would

1403
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: look at you know, one of the dudes wearing jeans

1404
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: and boots and anything. Or Marony honestly opened a lot

1405
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: of those shows that I always hoped I would be on.

1406
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: Too bad, she's not doing anything. Yeah, I love you

1407
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: meg you are crushing. You got number one right now.

1408
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: But I just always had this thing that I was like,

1409
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: you want to know what, none of the superstars that

1410
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: sell out arenas and stadiums did anything that anyone else

1411
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: ever did before. And you cannot be a carbon copy

1412
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: and become a superstar you.

1413
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it is so tough, and it's like you

1414
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: have to go through extra adversity if you're different, and

1415
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: you almost can't explode unless you're different. So the way

1416
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 3: to explode is to be different. But odds are if

1417
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: you're way different, you're not gonna explode. So you've got

1418
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 3: to believe in yourself so much even if you're different.

1419
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 3: If you want to be a megastar.

1420
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: Like every day, have to tell yourself that.

1421
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 3: And it's hard. I've always been super different, and it's

1422
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 3: it sucked because I was always the guy that was

1423
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 3: too country to be pop. I was too pop to

1424
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: be country. I'm too not conservative to be on country radio.

1425
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: I'm too I have too many conservative part like parts

1426
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: of my how I live my life that keeps me

1427
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: from doing everything that I do is wrong. Apparently if

1428
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 3: you ask everybody, I.

1429
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: Feel like sometimes I get viewed that way as well.

1430
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 3: That being said, it's the greatest thing to ever happened

1431
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, because I'm the only one, only one.

1432
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: The only thing that we have is being honest to

1433
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 3: yourself and true. And I don't even lie anymore, mostly

1434
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: because I can't remember. That's actually most of the reason,

1435
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: because I would, I would just be like, tell great

1436
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 3: stories on the radio. I'll be like, listen to this. This

1437
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: happened to me. Sure, But I have learned now in

1438
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: my wise age, that it's harder than normal to be great.

1439
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 3: It's hard. It's really hard to be great if you're different.

1440
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 3: But it's the only way you can really be great

1441
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: is if you're different big time.

1442
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 2: And I mean it's easier said than done.

1443
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: But I'm just grateful I've got a label and a

1444
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: whole team around me that just completely share that vision.

1445
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 3: I don't even think you that. I mean, you're definitely different,

1446
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: doing a different way, but it's not like you have

1447
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 3: two heads on in an extra elbow coming out of

1448
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: your neck, you know. But like Sam is my example,

1449
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: if he's not different anymore. No, he's what everybody wants

1450
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 3: to be. But at some point there was a window

1451
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: when people were like let's just throw Sam Hunt in

1452
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 3: the sea and hope he never comes back because what

1453
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 3: he's doing this is not good or legitimate.

1454
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and now it's like Morgan's about to

1455
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: have like five number ones in a row that have

1456
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: drum beats and tracks and all of it in there.

1457
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 3: And even Garth. And I've been lucky enough to have

1458
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: a relationship with Garth where I've opened for him and

1459
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: I've done things that I hang out with him and

1460
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: he will tell me that they wanted to run me

1461
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 3: out of town. His live shows had elements of kiss

1462
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 3: had elements they're too pop And you can just how

1463
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: we talked about Star Search Idol all the way up.

1464
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: You can do the same thing with that ain't country.

1465
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: When Bob Wills when his steel player plugged in the

1466
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: steel gets for the first time, they wanted to burn

1467
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: the place down because that's not a country. Think about

1468
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: that and a steel guitar, an electric steel guitar, And

1469
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: it's happened every situation. I like, it's a decade inside

1470
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: of the decades forever, and it's always going to happen

1471
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 3: for sure. And I'm just always amazed how dumb people

1472
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: are that haven't seen that.

1473
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm definitely at the point. I was really lucky.

1474
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: When I first started doing the TikTok thing and just

1475
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 1: posting videos, I was always very worried I was going

1476
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: to deal with hate in my comments and on my

1477
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff. I don't deal with any hate in

1478
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: the comments. It's when like the ACM's post about me

1479
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: or I can't because it's just like people telling me

1480
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: that I'm not a human being, and I'm.

1481
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: Just like okay, wow.

1482
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,440
Speaker 1: So you definitely have to know, no, no, you got to.

1483
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: You gotta remind yourself every day of like they told

1484
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: Garth that he wasn't country either.

1485
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 3: Well, they tell me I'm a human, but I'm just

1486
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 3: an talented human.

1487
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1488
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: So I do feel bad for you, but it's nuts.

1489
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: It's done.

1490
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, man, It's just I'm just a fan.

1491
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: Thanks. I am too.

1492
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 3: You're really good at this. It's like you're so easy

1493
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 3: to talk to. It's like the greatest first date ever.

1494
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 4: Mind.

1495
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, we've done an hour here, so music?

1496
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 3: What about what else? Like? What's I hate the question?

1497
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: What do you have coming now? But give me something

1498
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 3: like when do you plan to start putting stuff out.

1499
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we uh so, I did another eight or nine

1500
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: songs with Joey Moy and then I'm now working with

1501
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: Paul did Giovanni as well, So it's gonna kind of

1502
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: be a split record that we're hoping to have out

1503
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: by the end of the year, fingers crossed.

1504
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: But we've got a lot of record.

1505
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 3: One song, what's one new song coming out?

1506
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 2: I don't know yet.

1507
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good answer.

1508
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of cool with the patient game and

1509
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: going dark a little bit while we we really ride

1510
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: this Diplo song. But the songs that we have out

1511
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: are so different than anything or that we have ready

1512
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: to go, or really different than anything we've done before.

1513
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: And I took a lot of outside songs when I

1514
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: first signed, and I've gotten to write a lot more.

1515
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: So it's been great.

1516
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 3: And if they're different, they're probably not gonna work. However,

1517
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 3: they should't, probab they shouldn't probably work because they're different.

1518
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 3: But when they do, and god dang it, if they do,

1519
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 3: it's gonna be awesome.

1520
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:09,959
Speaker 2: I'm all down.

1521
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm every single song that I just trust it and

1522
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 1: it's the perfect place in my wheelhouse where I sing

1523
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: and it's different are the ones that pop.

1524
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna keep keep.

1525
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: Going when you're playing shows because yeah, with Sam, I

1526
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 3: only get a few minutes left. But yeah, I like

1527
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 3: injure my groin or like my hip flexer, and I

1528
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 3: gotta work out in like an hour and a half.

1529
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 3: So I've been doing cry o a little bit to

1530
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: kind of help the inflammation, not because I believe that's

1531
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 3: doing anything except that. Yeah, just inflammation. So I got

1532
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 3: have an appointment or I do this for two hours.

1533
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that being said, when you're the are you

1534
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 3: the baby with Sam?

1535
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1536
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 3: Okay, so who's the middle, Brett Young? That's pretty solid.

1537
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be.

1538
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 3: Great whenever you're driving around in a van, and I

1539
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 3: just want people to know because the one constant has

1540
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 3: been your drive. I'm not gonna say hustle. I'm gonna

1541
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: say you're drive. When you're driving in a van to

1542
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 3: these shows and you're making what the baby makes, you're

1543
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 3: not making a lot of money right now.

1544
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: No, we do really well in merch, which which helps

1545
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: balance out a lot of things, and but also to

1546
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: do well in merch, you gotta go stand at that

1547
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: merch table for an hour and shake hands and take photos,

1548
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: which is one of my favorite parts of the day.

1549
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: But right now I'm I'm with three dudes that are

1550
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 1: in my band that also have been working at this

1551
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: for so long, that feel that same that drive and

1552
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: the just tenacity, you know, and uh, it's been great,

1553
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: But I feel like we got a bus coming soon.

1554
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you're right there. But I'm going to tell

1555
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 3: you the fact that you've been in a van makes

1556
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 3: the bus so much. Yes, it makes it worth it.

1557
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 3: And you never want to go through anything hard, but

1558
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 3: you really don't grow unless you go through something hard.

1559
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we also have the best times in

1560
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: those vans.

1561
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, when I first start a toy, we

1562
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: were driving around a car that's all over the South.

1563
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: It sucks.

1564
01:03:58,040 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: I always tell everyone. They're like, sorry about it's a

1565
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: sprinter van this week, and I'm like, yeah, it's better

1566
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: than a car.

1567
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: I used to be in the car.

1568
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: And that's for a year. I finished the show on Friday.

1569
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: We try to beat five. We do a show and

1570
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 3: then we just drive overnight in a car and it sucked,

1571
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 3: And then we got a we started driving in a van.

1572
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: I say, you don't drink so we have a little

1573
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 2: bit more fun with it.

1574
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: Okay, that I could see, and then the van I

1575
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 3: was like, that's awesome. I got right down and then

1576
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 3: then it gets sucky again. And then when you get

1577
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: a bus, it's a game changer. Hey, just wait to

1578
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: get a plane.

1579
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one.

1580
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 3: Okay, fingers crossed. When are you You're going out with Sam?

1581
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 3: When does that wrap up?

1582
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: So that is like beginning of July through the end

1583
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: of September, and then we're out with Shanaia Twain for

1584
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: thirteen shows.

1585
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 3: Dang, how light does that go?

1586
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: November is and then headlining after that we're road dogging.

1587
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 3: Are you done in November until the next year?

1588
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and then there's always the Christmas radio

1589
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: shows and all that.

1590
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: But touring wise, for the most.

1591
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 3: Part, you should come up. I don't know if you

1592
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 3: could even do it, but I'm one of the shows

1593
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 3: that I'm doing. It's it's easy driving a car to Louisville. Yeah,

1594
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 3: you should come up and open up that show. I

1595
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 3: only pay a thousand bucks. But you you don't have to.

1596
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 3: You don't have to do anything. It's like there's no money. No,

1597
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: you don't have to do that, but I think it's

1598
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 3: super because then i'd bring up on the radio show

1599
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: and I have it's so political when I bring guests up,

1600
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: I have to do a little bull crap and mostly

1601
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 3: I don't care, but then my boss gets into not trouble,

1602
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: but then he gets pushed and then he comes not

1603
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 3: down on me. But it's like it. But anyway, we

1604
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: should try to figure out a quick show that you

1605
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 3: don't have to drive a van to because I'm doing

1606
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 3: some super close like Louisville's yeah, two hours like right there,

1607
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 3: yeah and beyond in Well, I'll just I'll have my

1608
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: people call your people, yeah, and we'll see. I'm just

1609
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 3: a big fan.

1610
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: Hey me too. Thank you. This is such a bucket list.

1611
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: If I would have told well don't twenty twenty eighteen

1612
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: Lily that we we finally got to do this, I

1613
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: don't know if she'd believe it.

1614
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 2: So thank you.

1615
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 3: Then we'll get you up on the show and it'll

1616
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 3: be great. I'm just a big fan. I've been following

1617
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 3: along for a while and it's super cool to see

1618
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 3: what's happening and how you're making it happen, and there's

1619
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: a different it's and something happening, And the difference is

1620
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 3: somebody making something happening and then it happens. I appreciate it.

1621
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Mike, anything you want to say. I

1622
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 3: feel like this has been the fan club meeting mostly

1623
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: of the league than anything else. No, it's been great.

1624
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: You're not dying though, right? Yeah?

1625
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: No, no, no, not dying.

1626
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: Announce it here though? If you are?

1627
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: So?

1628
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: Who what does he do?

1629
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 2: The guy Dylan right here in the corner. It's my

1630
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 2: day to day manager.

1631
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 3: Oh you're the manager? Yeah, Dylan? How'd you feel like

1632
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: this went? Io? Yeah?

1633
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: I thought you known each other for twenty years.

1634
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 3: I feel that way too, That's why I said. It

1635
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: just felt so freaking normal. We screwed up to the microphone.

1636
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: What what?

1637
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: What do you not like about her? It's not well,

1638
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 3: I don't like that about you. But here's the thing, Dylan,

1639
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 3: you weren't a Vandy shirt, and that's kind of bull

1640
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 3: crap when you were another team.

1641
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: The man is from Missouri and has been a Miszoo

1642
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: fan since I've met him, so.

1643
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: I have no respect for you. Well, here's here's the

1644
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 3: funny thing.

1645
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: Were the Vandy shirt to look a little bit smarter?

1646
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 3: I went, I went about mine. I you like four colleges.

1647
01:06:58,840 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: I know.

1648
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 3: I had an ex essential crisis when my brother in law,

1649
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 3: he coaches Utah, we coached Utah softball and they went

1650
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 3: to the College Wall Series for the first time. It

1651
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 3: was awesome, and I struggled wearing any other school other

1652
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: than Arkansas. And my wife is like, this is family.

1653
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 3: No one's gonna think you've switch switched schools. You can

1654
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 3: wear Utah, And I thought, you know, Utah is not

1655
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: a threat to me. So I'm gonna wear Utah only

1656
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 3: at the game to support him, but it's family. I

1657
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: also love him if it's super close to him. Now

1658
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 3: that being said, my wife is a massive Oklahoma fan

1659
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 3: massive her family all shoot me dead before I put

1660
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: anything overall, and she won't wear anything Arkansas. So I've

1661
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 3: only been a one logo guy until so. But you

1662
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: being a four logo guy with no family, But yeah,

1663
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 3: it kind of shows how you are. Yeah, your true

1664
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: colors are flying through here whenever they start winning.

1665
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: That's when I'm on board, dude. I'm the same way

1666
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: my dad. We did not have a single ounce of

1667
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: orange in our house.

1668
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 2: Can allowed it? Will say yes, ma Zoo was not

1669
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 2: in the SEC whenever I was growing up, Big twelve,

1670
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: Big twelve, So all the excuses come on. Don't keeps

1671
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 2: a lot.

1672
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: I still feel dirty for in Utah, but I understand

1673
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 3: why I did it. You prefer you got like a team.

1674
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 3: Every day here where on the street is all team Dylan.

1675
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 3: You got a free shirt, he'll wear it. Got free shirt,

1676
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: all right, you guys. Followed on Instagram at Lily Rose

1677
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 3: Music on TikTok Lily Rose Music Official. Will put it

1678
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 3: up in the notes here, uh Sad in the Summer

1679
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,680
Speaker 3: which we played before Lily got in here, and I'm

1680
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:33,880
Speaker 3: just rooting for you. Thanks mam.

1681
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it.

1682
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: Keep killing it, keep pushing, thank you. It ain't over

1683
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 3: till you quit. So don't quit because you got it.

1684
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:39,799
Speaker 2: Man, unless I die.

1685
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, then it's the whole ghost thing, like you're gonna

1686
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 3: come back and I'm gonnaunt all right, yes, all right,

1687
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 3: thank

1688
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 5: You, Thanks guys, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.