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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each week this

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Speaker 1: is the place you go to when you want to

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Speaker 1: learn and hear the latest paranormal stories from Bigfoot to angels,

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Speaker 1: anything and everything out of the ordinary. Your personal stories

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Speaker 1: will be shared here where positive feedback might be given

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Speaker 1: or advice or whatever. I'm telling you. I'm just somebody

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Speaker 1: like yourself who has been there, seen that, experienced it,

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Speaker 1: freaked out, frowns and answers, wrote about it, got over it,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm hoping to help others do the same

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Speaker 1: thing to better understand what's going on around us, because

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Speaker 1: how else are we going to get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: if we're not sharing our research, if we're not commenting

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Speaker 1: on the things that we hear. I'm talking about anybody

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Speaker 1: again I welcome you all. Go to my main website,

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Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollie dot com or shadow Folks dot

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Speaker 1: I'm here for, That's what this program is here for.

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Speaker 1: Before all of my shows, I try to address one

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Speaker 1: your emails. Nine times out of ten people want to

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Speaker 1: send the emails versus hopping on the show, which is fine.

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Speaker 1: I totally get it. Trust me, I thought I was

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Speaker 1: going to pass out the first time I was a

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Speaker 1: guest on Coast to Coast a m twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Not kidding, George Nori. He and I have been hanging

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Speaker 1: So anyways, here we go. Everybody, guess what today is?

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Speaker 1: Today is all about my favorite type of show, answering

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Speaker 1: all of your emails. Yep, I'm telling you it's Uh,

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Speaker 1: so he does get his hands dirty. But his minions,

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Speaker 1: which are these shadow people. And this is why I

428
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: don't I don't categorize him as a shadow being UM

429
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: because he could step out of the shadows and UM

430
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: and shadow spiders can also do the same in that regard. Unfortunately, um,

431
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: because man, I just I don't know how to describe

432
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: that horror and dealing with shadow spiders because yeah, I've

433
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: seen them big and Harry taking up the entire ceiling

434
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: in my bedroom. Um so I feel you, absolutely feel you,

435
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: um and something that's that's uh telling. I mentioned having

436
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: hat man wearing the top hat with the trench coat.

437
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: He changes his patterns people, he does, he really does.

438
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: And to say if it's one and the same, I'm

439
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: leaning towards that the hat man and top hat Man

440
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: are definitely the same guy. I mean, he does the

441
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: same stuff, same m O. Are there newer hat men

442
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: coming forward? Well, that is a conversation to be had

443
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: because I think I've chatted on that here enough. Um,

444
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: But there's a possibility. Again, I don't have all the answers.

445
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: This is a growing problem out there that I'm doing

446
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: my bus to keep track of and keep on top of.

447
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: But again, here he is seven ft tall hat man.

448
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: I've heard of him being anywhere from six ft usually

449
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: on up to fourteen feet can you imagine, but seven

450
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: ft yeah, yeah, that one's that one's a pretty common one.

451
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: And also him being so tall walking into a room

452
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: that his back is touching the ceiling. Can't even can't

453
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: even my mind, no, no, not comfortable. So one of

454
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: the things I want to put also to you, Evan,

455
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: and what is that you've experienced. Hat Man is not

456
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: just an observer of horror and terror as you've dealt

457
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: with in your life. You are a strong person to

458
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: have gone through what you have and come out on

459
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: top to help other people in other mental health crises

460
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: in your job. But he also creates problems. He instigates problems.

461
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: He knocks the tree over on your car, problems, He

462
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: kicks your dog when you're not looking. Problems. He helps

463
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: you slip down the stairs kind of problem. He is

464
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: as awful as you can imagine. So I'm looking at

465
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: this list of horrific stuff that you've dealt with, And

466
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned having fought with demons in your dreams. This

467
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 1: is an element of hat Man as well. And you

468
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: said tried stealing your heart and soul. This is an

469
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: element of hat Man as well. And if those things

470
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: are working for him, doing these things him like you

471
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: saw the Shadow Spider was working for him, I mean,

472
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: did he whip it at you? Across the room or

473
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: did the Shadow Spider do a little not to say

474
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: I got this boom and uh, you know, take you on.

475
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: Who knows. But they're all connected and he does direct

476
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: them and they do report to him, and it's it

477
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: seems so odd and so twisted, and it's like here

478
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm speaking with authority, like how would I know? Well,

479
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: that's another long story. Um, I didn't get it from myself.

480
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: But even dealing with these demons in your dreams and whatnot,

481
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I haven't heard you here mentioned that you've you've had

482
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: anything else happened with hat Man. But if the demonic

483
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: dreams are still happening, that means he's trying to weaken

484
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: you and gain access to So no matter what, you

485
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: still have a battle that's going on because those dreams,

486
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: they're doing it for a reason. They're doing it for

487
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: a reason because it works. First off, it weakens and

488
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: it helps him identify your weakness. Like it seems it's

489
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: like you know, of course it's just a dream, but

490
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: it's also a part of you, and you're taking actions

491
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: in those dreams like you might take in real life.

492
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, they took a leftist out of

493
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: a right, So that's their choice. Okay, so we know

494
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: where to throw the tree at next time. And I'm

495
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: just kidding, but um, you know, it's just these things

496
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: that they do and why they're figuring you out there

497
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: like drawing on a map of who you are. And yeah,

498
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: they're trying to take your soul and your heart and

499
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: your dreams. This is this such a common thing and

500
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: it's it discussed me and I'm so sorry that you're

501
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: having to deal with the things that you are, but

502
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: your life example of the things that you're you're discussing here,

503
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: it's such a wide scale and it just breaks my

504
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: heart that anybody is dealing with these things as you are.

505
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: And know that you're not alone. But please, whatever you do,

506
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: clear these things out. If you join my group on Facebook,

507
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: I have posted there the blessing on how to clear

508
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: these things out of your home. It's no charge. I

509
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: just I don't know how to place a price on

510
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: a soul, you know what I'm saying. Um, But it's

511
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: called the Shadow People and hat Man Experiencer on Facebook

512
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: and I have that pinned there so you'll know how

513
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: to get rid of these things, and um, it works,

514
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: It works that I always tell people, let me know

515
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: how it goes. I don't hear anything more, so I

516
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: know it worked. Um. But interesting enough, I just had

517
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: email from somebody in Argentina and I have to do

518
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: Google Translate on it, like what are they saying? What

519
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: are they saying? And I sent them the blessing on

520
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: what to do in their home to get rid of

521
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: this demonic presence. And I want to say it was

522
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. I sent that to them

523
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: and they Google translated it and they just recently got

524
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: back to me and say, oh, by the way, it worked,

525
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: we have no more problems. Thank you so much. Google

526
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Translate back. Awesome, we win. Oh but yeah, So I

527
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: always like to hear back to know that it went well,

528
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: but most of the time I'm assuming that it did. So.

529
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 1: All right, Um, I want to thank you so much

530
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: for writing me, Devon. I hope this was helpful. Your

531
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: story was definitely helpful to myself and to others that

532
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: are listening. All right, So I'm getting over to the

533
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: next email. This one says, Hello, Heidi. I'm twenty six

534
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: years old now. When I was around twenty, I had

535
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: this quote dream of being in a UFO I'm guessing.

536
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: I woke up in my dream being strapped to a

537
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: table with my vision foggy. I looked to my left

538
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: to see a woman fighting, being strapped backed down, white

539
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: walls and table, huge tubes that look like incubators. Oh man,

540
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: I went back unconscious and woke up running from a

541
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: different room and others running as well. You guys, you

542
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: these things affect me how And I read these because

543
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: I just this is horrible. It's just horrible. I went

544
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: his abduction okay for anybody, huh when? Because I don't

545
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: think it's okay. I don't think this is cute, fun

546
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: or sweet or feeling chosen. Okay, alright, continuing, I found

547
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: my way to the control room question mark, I saw

548
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: space and fainted. I woke up in my bed the

549
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: next day. A week later, after researching UFOs, I started

550
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: to have what the therapist called quote sleep paralysis. Oh

551
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: my gosh, hey, guys, this is just where this dark

552
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: figure with a trench coat and most of the time

553
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: a black hat would show up. He would be in

554
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: the corner of the bedroom, staring in the middle of

555
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: the night. He would be in my dreams, torturing me

556
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: for months, almost a year. The dreams would be in

557
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: my house, sometimes after settling, sometimes making me blind or

558
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: see anything he wanted. I felt crazy or why was

559
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I having these dreams all the time? They put this

560
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: in all caps. To this day, I still believe it

561
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: was more than just sleep paralysis. I have a journal

562
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: where I drew some of my quote dreams. I don't know.

563
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: I heard a story about shadow people, and there are

564
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: just way too many similarities to my story that are scary.

565
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to continue to find my journal.

566
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: I haven't packed away. I couldn't get rid of it.

567
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: It has basically evidence of my experience. Again, I didn't

568
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: believe in UFOs or ghosts or anything till this started

569
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: happening to me. I would really like answers on what

570
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 1: you think I have experienced. To this day, I believe

571
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: I had seen ghosts or something. Oh thanks, Larry. Um.

572
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: I just man, you know, sometimes I get these emails

573
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: and I am just like, I can't help but to

574
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: be raw about it because that I felt that that's

575
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: a justice devastating, that's just absolutely devastating, and who I

576
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: can't imagine. I can't imagine. Um. You know, every single

577
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: time somebody goes through a horrible state of fear like that.

578
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: I just it just paints a picture for me. But

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Speaker 1: I want to address this after the break here be

580
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: because I just kind of break this down. You guys,

581
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi

582
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

583
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Took around, He'll be right, welcome back.

584
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi

585
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

586
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: i AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Just before the break, I

587
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: had a very moving email, um and from Larry and

588
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: this this just this one really hit me because I

589
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: can't help but to be a bit emotional about it

590
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: because it it's just a life right in the midst

591
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: of all of this. I've been talking about for twenty

592
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: plus years now, and the connection between abducting alien beings

593
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: and these shadow beings and hat Man and uh, you know,

594
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: for years I was hearing chat saying I'm talking about

595
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: science fiction, and um, it's not. It's not science fiction.

596
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: This is something that people experience at extreme levels, like

597
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: Larry here, who oh boy. Just six years ago had

598
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: a crazy so called dream of being strapped down on

599
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: a table against their will and watching somebody else gets

600
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: strapped down and fighting, fighting this, and and just running

601
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: room to room as others are running in terror room

602
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: to room and fainted when they saw space was outside

603
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 1: the window. Uh, you know. And then to wake up

604
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: the next day and um looked up UFOs and whatnot,

605
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: and and started seeing a therapist and they're told, all

606
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden they have sleep paralysis. Oh man, But

607
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: backing up for a second, the terror being on board

608
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: a craft that people will say they're a contact e

609
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: now versus being abducted. But a contact is a you know, hi,

610
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: how are you have a seat? Not this, I'm a

611
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: strap you to that table? You know. That's that's subduction,

612
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: that's against your will. That's that's going a bit too far.

613
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: That's a causing harm PTSD. Where um, this person and

614
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: it's not saying this movie you have caused the reason

615
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: why they're seeing a therapist, but it got brought up. Um.

616
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: So here here's this crazy scenario. Right, you have this

617
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: crazy thing going on, and all of a sudden you start, uh,

618
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: you start having this sleep paralysis problem that doctors will

619
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: dub as that. You know, sleep paralysis wasn't anything in

620
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: conversation until I started getting word out on shadow people

621
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: and hat Man. All of a sudden, we gotta figure

622
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: out how to stomp this truth out. Uh, let's make

623
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: it a medical problem. Yeah yeah, uh you were's a

624
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: trench coat and a hat sleep paralysis. You're not even

625
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna give him a name? I mean I did, uh,

626
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: but it's it's so in your face right here in

627
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: this short email to say, one week, I'm experiencing this

628
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: so called dream that seems so real. These are what

629
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: I call Uh, I don't know these. I shouldn't say

630
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: it's a waking dream. This is so real it happened. Okay,

631
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: this is not a waking dream. This is this is

632
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: an actual scenario because it falls in place with what

633
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: I've heard for decades now, people who are being tortured,

634
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: tortured uh, and and doing awful things and to them

635
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: haven't been done to them by alien beings and and

636
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: breaking free and trying to run for your life. And

637
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: and you know, you wake up the next day you're like,

638
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: was that real? It's like, hold on, how often do

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Speaker 1: I dream about being strapped down on a table in

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Speaker 1: space by aliens. I mean something, something's odd here. And

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, trench trench coat hatted guy

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Speaker 1: comes into the door and you're like, you're being tortured

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Speaker 1: in your dreams for months, almost a year. I mean, Larry,

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I am so sorry that this has

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Speaker 1: been happening to you. Who the methods and the locations,

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Speaker 1: and um, you know people that will tell me, well,

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Speaker 1: hat man didn't scare me, or hat Man didn't do

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Speaker 1: anything to me, So I don't know. He feels like

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Speaker 1: he's a protector of sorts. Here. You got a person

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Speaker 1: it's being tortured, and tortured could be a lot of things,

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Speaker 1: and and a lot of times people won't give details.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is Larry's situation, but it

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Speaker 1: could be anywhere from biting, scratching, punching, beating, anything that

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Speaker 1: you can imagine, including raping, reaching into their chest, tugging

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Speaker 1: on their Soul's just disgusting things, absolutely disgusting things. And uh,

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Speaker 1: this is this is an ongoing thing, of course, Larry.

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Speaker 1: Anybody would feel crazy going through this and having so

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Speaker 1: few to relate to. And then and then the doctor

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Speaker 1: is telling you sleep paralysis here, this will help you

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Speaker 1: sleep better during the night. So what you're forgetting? What's

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Speaker 1: going on? Larry? I know of thousands that have written

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Speaker 1: me over the years, but it's in the millions. I'm

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Speaker 1: certain of people who are experiencing the sleep paralysis dealing

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Speaker 1: with a man in a suit. Um, I think we

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Speaker 1: have wider imaginations to have something be dressed differently, but

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Speaker 1: if you're all waking up to the same thing, it's

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Speaker 1: for a reason. He First off, he wants to be noticed.

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Speaker 1: He would change it up a lot more otherwise, right,

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Speaker 1: But no, he's making sure that we all are figuring

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Speaker 1: it out that it's him that's the cause of all this.

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Speaker 1: And for those people who say, well, jattle people, hat

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Speaker 1: Man aren't so bad because I'm okay, your day will come. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: because they won't stop, you'll wonder why you suddenly feel

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Speaker 1: icky in a room, or suddenly you're family isn't getting along,

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Speaker 1: or suddenly everybody's getting sick, or suddenly everybody's having accidents.

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Speaker 1: You could give him a little nod because he loves

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Speaker 1: to do this kind of stuff to people, and it's

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Speaker 1: absolutely disgusting in it and it you would think after

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Speaker 1: all these years, I would have thicker skin. I'm okay

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Speaker 1: with myself and the things that I deal with, but

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Speaker 1: I don't like to hear of, first off, children dealing

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Speaker 1: with this, and I sure don't like to hear of

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Speaker 1: anybody dealing with this at any level. It's absolutely wrong

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Speaker 1: and it's absolutely disgusting and something needs to be done.

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's my grassroots effort. What I'm doing as

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Speaker 1: informing you, I'm informing everybody. It's one person at a time.

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Speaker 1: It's the reaching out, telling people what's going on around you,

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Speaker 1: so you're not isolating yourself, because these things love love

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Speaker 1: to isolate people, to break them down, to make them

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Speaker 1: think that they're crazy, to make them feel inferior and

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00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: suddenly not confident in what they're experiencing. This is a

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Speaker 1: major problem out there, and um, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: change that, right Larry, You've reached out, You put it

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Speaker 1: out there and it's going to help the next person.

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Speaker 1: And you reaching out to me, let's you know that

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Speaker 1: you are ready to kick this stuff to the curb.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like you're still having the level of

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Speaker 1: experiences that you were back then, But if you have

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Speaker 1: these dreams going on to any extent. It's done. It's

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Speaker 1: a wrap. It's time to be done with it. And

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Speaker 1: how you do that is blessing your space. First off,

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00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: and again I welcome you go to Facebook and look

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Speaker 1: for shadow people and hat Man experience or group. And

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Speaker 1: I have it pinned there about how you bless your space,

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Speaker 1: your home, where you work in yourself, because wherever you go,

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Speaker 1: you keep that blessing with you. I do it. I

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Speaker 1: keep it with me because I know these things hate

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Speaker 1: my guts. I take that as a compliment. However, um

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Speaker 1: so I am never unprotected. I do my best. Sure,

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Speaker 1: sometimes things will try to creep in. If I move

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Speaker 1: to a location it has something living there. I always

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Speaker 1: have to bless my space again because I'm in a

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Speaker 1: new location and I have to essentially mark my territory

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Speaker 1: with a blessing. Okay, and uh, you can do this

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Speaker 1: and you can get rid of it. So funny how

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Speaker 1: this sleep paralysis condition that gets dubbed out there goes

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Speaker 1: away with a blessing. I don't know how that works. Huh.

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Speaker 1: I guess it must be real then, and again, I'm

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Speaker 1: no doctor. Uh. Sometimes people do have issues that continue on,

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Speaker 1: and people are like, why I did everything. I followed

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Speaker 1: the letter and I did this and that, and I'm like,

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00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: you also have to put intention behind it. You also

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Speaker 1: have to mean what you're saying and know what you're

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Speaker 1: saying and have no doubts on what you're saying. But honestly, honestly,

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Speaker 1: people can say one name and these things go away

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Speaker 1: as well. Jesus, I don't have to even have the

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Speaker 1: size of a mountain of faith. What was that saying

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Speaker 1: in the Bible? To have the faith the size of

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Speaker 1: a mustard seed? It works time and time again. I've

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Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time. I'm not an exorcist,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a preacher. I'm this person that has been

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Speaker 1: uh told and taught what works and this does work.

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Speaker 1: And Larry again, I can't thank you enough for your

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Speaker 1: email it I'm telling you guys, I sometimes I just

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Speaker 1: get really like knocked because it moves me to that

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Speaker 1: extent and I can't help but to get emotional about

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Speaker 1: it because I'm like still still and I just feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's got to be something more I can

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Speaker 1: do to reach people, and UM so hoping and praying

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Speaker 1: that I get to a bigger level of spreading this

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Speaker 1: word and warning out there. So again, I thank you

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Speaker 1: both who wrote me. I have more emails, and I

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Speaker 1: would welcome anybody who's experiencing anything out of the ordinary

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00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: or has research they want to share here on the show.

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00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 1: You're more than welcome. Or if there's people that you'd

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00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: like me to have on the show, or if there's

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Speaker 1: a topic you want me to tackle, I am fully

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Speaker 1: open to your suggestions, but you've got to suggest them.

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Speaker 1: So go to my website which is shadow Folks dot

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Speaker 1: com or Heidi Hollis dot com and tell me about it,

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00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: give me as much detail as you can, and also

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00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: check out my paranormal comic strip which is the Outlanders

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Speaker 1: Comic dot com or follow me on Instagram at the

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Speaker 1: Outlanders Comic. Oh, I'm telling you this one. This was

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Speaker 1: a doozy, guys, um, but I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for tuning in and uh yeah, we're gonna We're

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Speaker 1: gonna do this all again next week. How about that.

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Speaker 1: You have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me

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Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast am Paranormal podcast Network. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Stay safe, everybody, and Happy Easter. Goodbye. Well. If you

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