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Speaker 1: Here we go, Friday hour two, Fired up Lies in

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Speaker 1: for making us part of your day. I have a

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Speaker 1: very interesting topic in about five minutes I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: to before I get to my picks. Now, I will

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Speaker 1: admit I'm gonna stay away from Chiefs Lions. I want

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Speaker 1: to watch the game. I think it's a field goal

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Speaker 1: game either way. I think Kansas City is better than

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Speaker 1: people think, but I think Detroit's run game is demoralizing

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Speaker 1: and clock controlling and difficult, so I'm gonna stay away

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Speaker 1: from that. I'm taking some ugly teams this week.

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Speaker 3: I have no fears, so I'll be discussing Ceast Lions later.

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Speaker 3: Some numbers for you not great for your number one

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Speaker 1: So let me just say this you feast on ugly teams.

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Speaker 1: You bet Carolina more than like Carolina guy at but

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Speaker 1: I I got my picks this week and I like him.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 2: Let's blaze it up up.

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Speaker 4: It's Collins blazing fuck Seahawks at check.

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Speaker 1: Ah Seattle plus one and a half go money line.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna win this puppy out right. One of five

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Speaker 1: teams to hold a fourth quarter lead in every game.

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Speaker 1: Even the games they lost, they could have won. Number

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Speaker 1: two scoring offense. Since Week two. They've been a great

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Speaker 1: road team with Mike McDonald eight game road winning streak,

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Speaker 1: and donald is on an absolute eater in his last

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Speaker 1: three weeks of passer rating over one thirty. The Jags

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Speaker 1: on short rest off a highly emotion no win, probably

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Speaker 1: the biggest Jags win in several years. Offensively, they are

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Speaker 1: terrible on third down. The Seahawks played their worst defensive

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Speaker 1: game of the season. They'll be in a bad mood.

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Speaker 1: Watch Seattle's defense come back. Revert to what we know.

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Speaker 1: They are the turnover regression for Jacksonville. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to keep getting three and four turnovers a game. Seattle

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Speaker 1: wins outright in a bad mood. Cross Country thirty twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Hawks rebound from that loss last week.

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Speaker 2: Patriots six seat.

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Speaker 1: Take the under Patriots Saints under forty five and a

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Speaker 1: half points. Neither team runs the ball right. Patriots and

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Speaker 1: Saints are scoring under twenty points in half their games

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Speaker 1: this year. New England's again coming off an emotional, dramatic,

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Speaker 1: I think they win, but it's going to be ugly

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Speaker 1: and low scoring. They're a top ten scoring defense. Christian

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Speaker 1: The Saints Spencer Rattler's interesting nine touchdown passes an eleven

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Speaker 1: Can't run the ball. Patriots win, but take the under.

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Speaker 1: Let's say at twenty one to twenty ugly choppie game.

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Speaker 1: Take the under.

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Speaker 2: Chargers at DOLFHI.

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Speaker 1: Can't believe it, but I'm gonna take Miami plus the

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Speaker 1: four and a half. Listen two at home has been

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Speaker 1: good his last seven home games. He's not the problem.

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Speaker 1: One twelve passer rating. Chargers could be on their third

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna take the Dolphins. Chargers probably win

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Speaker 1: betting ugly this week. I like the Raiders minus three

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Speaker 1: What the teams do when they're humiliated. The Giants got

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Speaker 1: And folks, Tennessee's awful forget to win last week. They're awful. Hell,

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Speaker 1: Tennessee right now is easily the worst team in the league.

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Speaker 1: My favorite bet of the week is the Commander's minus

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Speaker 1: both blowout wins last three weeks, averaging twenty seven plus

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Speaker 1: the board. Jayden Daniels last week looked excellent according to PFF.

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Speaker 1: the Bears. They've lost four straight in prime time. They're

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Speaker 1: not a rise to the moment franchise. They've been a

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Speaker 1: bad road team forever. Their defense is allowing the most yards.

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Speaker 1: Their defense is allowing six points, seven yards of play.

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Speaker 1: It's atrocious. The Commanders win thirty three twenty six. J

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Speaker 1: Mack doesn't love my picks. I'm taking some ugly I'm

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Speaker 1: taking the points in Miami. At home, I'm taking the Raiders.

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Speaker 1: Raiders had the Bears beat last week if not for

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Speaker 3: If you lie down with dogs, you get fleas colin

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Speaker 3: and there there's some gross this year, so I respect that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, did you look at the Seahawks' injury report.

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Speaker 3: Three of the four starters in the secondary maybe down

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Speaker 1: So you're gonna take a team to take it. That

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest about Jacksonville. When's the last

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Speaker 1: Here's what I'm surprised that you're taking close spreads. There's

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Speaker 3: It looks like Lamar's not going to go inter sults

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Speaker 1: Bills are going to crush the same Packers are going

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Speaker 1: But you know what game I actually like. I could

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Speaker 1: be out of my mind here, don't tell me. Dolphins. Raiders. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So when you when you they're running the ball now right,

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Speaker 1: So I want you to think about this. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it's true, but I just want you to think

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Speaker 1: were absolutely sure Hall of Famer, magical. The future of

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Speaker 1: the sport is Jalen Hurts. Think about this the next

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Speaker 1: Both are undersized, but thick and athletic. Both had to

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Speaker 1: transfer in college. Their coaches were like, yeah, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to start somebody else in college. Both throw a nice

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Speaker 1: deep ball, but neither was a first round pick. Both

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Speaker 1: are playmakers from the pocket, but they're not pocket quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Jalen very successful with stacked rosters when

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Speaker 1: they have a run game and a great defense. Both

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Speaker 1: two super Bowls, win one, lose one. We like their personalities,

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Speaker 1: but neither is beloved by teammates. I've been told that

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Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts. We've seen it with Russell and in

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Speaker 1: their Super Bowl winning season. In Russ's and in Jalen,

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Speaker 1: they threw under two hundred year yards Russell seven times,

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Speaker 1: Hurts eight. There's a lot of similarities to the thick, mature, elusive,

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Speaker 1: not great from the pocket. How many times has Greg

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Speaker 1: years with Russell Wilson, he said, Russell Wilson has planned

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Speaker 1: ad libs. He's not great from the pocket. That's why,

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Speaker 1: said Greg Cosell, he often throws the deep ball because

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Speaker 1: he's not good in the middle of the field. What

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Speaker 1: did Greg Cosell say this week about Jalen Hurts. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't throw the ball well over the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: Go listen to Greg co Cell with Russell in his

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Speaker 1: prime and Jalen. It's the same thing. It's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Consistently under two hundred yards when you've got the players

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Speaker 1: so and I loved Russell and I'm the defender at

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Speaker 1: all costs, which hurts, But I mean now you got

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Speaker 1: players only meetings A J Brown. Jalen Hurts drama. Russell

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Speaker 5: I want to go out there and play the type

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Speaker 5: of ball we know we're capable of playing, and a

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Speaker 5: lot of that, you know, for the Brandon both kind

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Speaker 5: being smarter situations, and being able to capitalize on some

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Speaker 5: we got to be a better We got to do

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Speaker 5: better in terms of executing in those situations because it

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Speaker 6: Operationally.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he's great at the podium. Russell Wilson always been

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Speaker 1: great at the podium. Mature, start, start, You don't like

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Speaker 1: the comms. But by the way, last week, when I

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Speaker 1: suggested Russell Wilson wouldn't be a Hall of Famer, push back.

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Speaker 1: Would you vote in Jalen Hurts to the Hall of fame.

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Speaker 1: I mean, neither's a first round pick, neither great from

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Speaker 1: the pocket, neither beloved by teammates. Both get to a

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Speaker 1: couple Super Bowls, but even in their super Bowl winning seasons,

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Speaker 1: half the games they are under two hundred yards. Both

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Speaker 1: had drama with some teammates. I'm not saying it's out there,

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Speaker 1: but it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Kind of interesting? Just you know, I'm not saying it

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Speaker 1: with great conviction. I'm saying it with great curiosity, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of interesting. Our quarterback whisper is around

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Speaker 1: the corner, Brady Quinn shows up. We got I'm telling you, Oregon, Indiana, USC, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: just a couple of them. You didn't think last weekend?

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Speaker 1: Remember last weekend? College football? Oh, Penn State, Ucla. There

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Speaker 1: was about a four hour stretch last Saturday. Is crazy Florida, Texas,

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Speaker 1: Penn State, Ucla, Washington coming from behind on the East

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Speaker 1: coast to beat Maryland Tomorrow is going to be really interesting.

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Speaker 1: For Jordan Palmer, former NFL quarterback, the founder of Quarterback Summit.

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Speaker 1: It's a program that helps quarterbacks reach their potential. He

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Speaker 1: is joining us on a day in which we think

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants have found their franchis quarterback. And Jordan,

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Speaker 1: it could be bon Nix, it could be Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: It's always turbulent. This is not a summer flight to Arizona.

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Speaker 1: It's bumpy, hits rough. So I watched Jackson Dart last week,

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Speaker 1: I've seen special with Jackson Dart. Not consistent, what do

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Speaker 1: you see you're the master at this what do you see?

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Speaker 9: Well, I just like to keep it simple, and he's

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Speaker 9: lost to and who they beat, because you could make

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Speaker 9: the argument, man, how do you lose to the Saints?

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Speaker 9: And then you can also make the same argument and

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Speaker 9: go how they beat the Eagles? I think he's two

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Speaker 9: which makes it more impressive.

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Speaker 6: One is personnel.

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Speaker 9: We saw last night on the broadcast all the players

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Speaker 9: So the one is, you know he's playing with with

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Speaker 6: Two, he's playing on a team that's lost more than

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Speaker 9: I'm not calling them losers, but they've lost more than

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Speaker 9: they've won this franchise the last few years. And so

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Speaker 9: you're not entering into a well oiled machine where everyone

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Speaker 6: And then three, he's a rookie. And I've said this on.

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Speaker 9: Your show before, and we've talked about this off camera,

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Speaker 9: is I think quarterbacks are survivalists and they got to

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about Listen, there's a

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones it was done. I thought his temperament was off.

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Speaker 1: he's humble and he's always thrown a nice ball. What

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Speaker 1: What is it about Kyle and quarterbacks that almost always

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Speaker 9: Well, Colin, you're a world class communicator, right, and so

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Speaker 9: at some point you learned a lot of how to communicate.

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Speaker 9: Learn this about Kyle Shanahan, though I've known him a

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Speaker 6: I've spent a lot of time with Sam and really understood.

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Speaker 6: I think that's what it is about Kyle Shanahan.

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Speaker 9: He gets all this love for his play design and

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Speaker 9: I don't know if he does that better than everyone,

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Speaker 9: I think Kyle helps quarterbacks understand why they are doing

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Speaker 9: And I just think Kyle's why as it pertains to

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Speaker 1: He can do all the things that Kyle requires. So

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Speaker 1: you never gave up on Sam Donald. He and Baker

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Speaker 9: If you go back to Sam in high school, in college,

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Speaker 6: And I think he had like eleven his last year

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Speaker 6: And so I think I've said this to you, Colin.

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Speaker 9: There's certain quarterbacks like Sam, like my brother where because

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Speaker 9: Right These these pass rushers aren't getting a little skinnier

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Speaker 9: playmakers make plays, says every coach ever. We got a

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Speaker 9: yards of completion, you start doing simple math. That might

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Speaker 9: move your pastor rating up five, six, ten points right there.

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Speaker 6: And that's if you're not throwing the playmakers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, one more pro and then college. Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: Greg Cosell's been saying this. He said it years ago

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Speaker 1: about Russell. He said, Colin, he throws a deep ball,

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Speaker 1: some of it out of necessity, doesn't You can see

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Speaker 1: there's times there's stuff open in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't see it. And Jalen Hurts similarly, Greg co

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Speaker 1: Sell has said to me times he just doesn't see

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Speaker 1: stuff in the middle. He's very good up the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: great kid, accurate. I watch Jalen Hurts and there it

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Speaker 1: does appear that he is better throwing outside than the

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Speaker 1: interior where Brady lived or Manning lived. It kind of

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Speaker 1: makes sense, Jordan, because offensive lineman, how are six seven

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Speaker 1: like that's what the world has produced. When you watch

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and the struggles, what do you see?

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Speaker 9: Well, I just think I'm not going to say it

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Speaker 9: has nothing to do with him and his personal like

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Speaker 9: his game.

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Speaker 6: But you keep replacing coordinators every year, and.

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Speaker 9: Because whether excuse me, whether you're doing that because your

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Speaker 9: team is struggling or because your team's in the Super

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Speaker 9: Bowl every year, either way you start shifting coordinators.

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Speaker 6: The media and the fans want to make it about scheme.

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Speaker 9: This guy's a good coordinator, that guy's a bad coordinator.

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Speaker 9: But the reality is you don't get that continuity, and

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Speaker 9: you can't continue to get to like level four, level

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Speaker 9: five levels in protections, in routes, in reads and combinations.

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Speaker 9: I think one of the most underrated thing in sports

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Speaker 9: that I don't see owners do is say, we've got

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Speaker 9: a great offensive coordinator, let's just pay.

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Speaker 6: Him like a head coach.

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Speaker 9: If it's going to cost us a chance to win

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Speaker 9: a Super Bowl and make a run, let's just drastically

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Speaker 9: overpay him so we don't lose him and do what

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Speaker 9: we got to do to keep him. And unfortunately, he

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Speaker 9: had Shane Stiking and then he had Killen Moore, and

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Speaker 9: I honestly don't know the guy's name right now, who's

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Speaker 9: the coordinator in Philly? And I think that's a big

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Speaker 9: portion of it. And then the second part and we

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Speaker 9: saw it on that clip right there, the out route

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Speaker 9: that got picked is. I still think with Jalen there's

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Speaker 9: a part of his game that needs to evolved in

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Speaker 9: the simple, the uncontested throats, the simple movements getting yourself

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Speaker 9: to the same spot. That's the place where I actually

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Speaker 9: see accuracy fall off. And those are like unforced airs,

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Speaker 9: and that's something that can be built over time. All

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Speaker 9: of his momentum still going left, he never gets into

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Speaker 9: his front side, that ball goes inside, and that's just

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Speaker 9: what happens. But this is also a super Bowl and

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Speaker 9: VP and a winner and a guy with a unique

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Speaker 9: skill set. But what you got to do when when

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Speaker 9: you're down, what you got to do when you have

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Speaker 9: a team like this it's not living up to standard

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Speaker 9: on offense, is you can't miss those balls down the field,

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Speaker 9: and particularly when you got guys who are frustrated with

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Speaker 9: their production.

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Speaker 1: One last question, I love Dante more at Oregon. Cleveland's

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Speaker 1: got two first round picks. Rams have two first round picks,

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Speaker 1: Giants have their quarterback. There's about four or five teams,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I watched them at Penn State game

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Speaker 1: and I went wow, stoic, calm, accurate better as the

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Speaker 1: game went. This is what you do for a living.

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Speaker 1: You told me years before people talked about many quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: they would work. What do you see with that kid?

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Speaker 6: This kid's a star.

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Speaker 9: I think the national media is going to start to

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Speaker 9: I'm here, you are talking about them, right.

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Speaker 6: I think you're going to start to learn more about

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Speaker 6: this guy.

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Speaker 9: So I actually want to use this minute to just

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Speaker 9: help you better understand who he is, and your listeners

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Speaker 9: understand who is because they're going to watch him play

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Speaker 9: and come up with their opinions. Honestly, he's set up

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Speaker 9: for a Heisman National championship type year. But I've known

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Speaker 9: him since he was in high school, went through Leader

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Speaker 9: Lemon process and all that, And he was at UCLA

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Speaker 9: and I was up there throwing with Burrow and a

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Speaker 9: couple of guys at UCLA when Chip Kelly was there,

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Speaker 9: and I just got done hanging out with Dante throwing

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Speaker 9: a little bit, and I was asking Chip about him,

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Speaker 9: and I said, Hey, how's Dante doing and all that,

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Speaker 9: and he goes, Dante is one of the most appreciative

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Speaker 9: football players I've ever coached, And I'm like, what do

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Speaker 9: you mean?

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Speaker 6: Appreciative.

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Speaker 9: Well, you grew up in a really tough part of Detroit,

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Speaker 9: and so his teammates and a lot of guys knew that.

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Speaker 9: A lot of times at UCLA he would just in

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Speaker 9: the middle of the night, just walk around campus late

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Speaker 9: at night because where he grew up, he couldn't do that.

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Speaker 6: And he was just he was always talking about how

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Speaker 6: grateful he is.

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Speaker 9: You say, by the way, he's not even playing at

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Speaker 9: this time, He's just so grateful to be there and

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Speaker 9: be around this and the environment and what they had,

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Speaker 9: and that was at UCLA. And so if that's your

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Speaker 9: foundation of like gratitude and humility, and then we see

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Speaker 9: what we're and he's I think just warming up, you

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Speaker 9: have a very sustainable athlete. Because if that's their foundation

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Speaker 9: and their talented and their clutch, I mean, his face

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Speaker 9: didn't change once in that game, then you're set up

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Speaker 9: for success. And we've seen how productive these and efficient

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Speaker 9: these quarterbacks coming out of Oregon have been, from Dylan

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Speaker 9: to Bot even before that, and so I actually think

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Speaker 9: this s guy's the limit. I won't be surprised if

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Speaker 9: everybody has them number one on their marks coming out

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Speaker 9: here soon.

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Speaker 6: Whether or not he Leaves. I don't know.

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Speaker 9: I think he's a big picture guy, but he's definitely

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Speaker 9: set up for success. I don't see a repeat of

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Speaker 9: what happened last year where they win the big one

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Speaker 9: in the season and then they come up short at

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Speaker 9: the end.

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Speaker 6: I think it's going to be Oregon here in the

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Speaker 6: mix at the end.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Jordan founded Thread Performance. I think I talked about

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Speaker 1: it last time. Go look it up online. Thread Performance

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Speaker 1: nutrition company helping young players and athletes physical mental potential.

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Speaker 1: How's it going, by the way, with the company, it's been.

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Speaker 6: A rocket ship.

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Speaker 9: We just had a year one almost doubled our sales

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Speaker 9: project since getting amazing emails from moms. There was nothing

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Speaker 9: on the market for athletes, young athletes that are going

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Speaker 9: through puberty, that have developing bodies, and we build some

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Speaker 9: really clean products and we're getting ready to launch our

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Speaker 9: fourth product, Tidration, here in the next two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer one of the smartest people I bring on

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Speaker 1: the show and thank me, and whenever I'm wrong, He'll

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Speaker 1: text me and go, you're wrong, coward, You're wrong, and

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Speaker 1: then I'll stop saying what I was saying. It's great

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Speaker 1: to seeing you, buddy, all right, you too, thanks man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and his brother, of course, Carson Palmer. Big Game Friday Night,

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Speaker 1: Big Game, Santa Margarita, j Mac. Do you hear what

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Speaker 1: he said about Jackson Dart winner. I think he said

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Speaker 1: that loud and clear. He's a winner, no.

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Speaker 3: Doubt about it. Is he a franchise quarterback? That's a

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Speaker 3: different question.

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Speaker 1: My friend J Mark with the news.

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Speaker 2: Turned on the news. This is the headline news.

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Speaker 3: All right, you love a good survey. Well, the annual

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Speaker 3: NBA GM survey is out calling and Eric Spolster got

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Speaker 3: fifty two percent of the votes for best head coach. Right. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Then they had one about the most impactful acquisition, No surprise,

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant seventy three percent. Interesting one. If you were

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Speaker 3: starting a franchise today and could sign.

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Speaker 1: Any player in the NBA, Yo, Kitch, who would it be?

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Speaker 1: Your number?

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Speaker 3: One?

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Speaker 1: Is Yokich the best player easily in the league? Can

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Speaker 1: you do you have me to read off the top three?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wehm.

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Speaker 3: Min Yama eighty three percent. Okay, Sga thirteen percent and

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Speaker 3: then Jo Kich three percent.

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Speaker 1: Oh, apparently gms don't watch their own sport.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this this SGA stuff is nonsense, like

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Speaker 3: you're picking SGA over Yo Kitch over Luka Wemby is

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Speaker 3: that's insane.

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Speaker 1: Is not only the best NBA player, there's a gap. Wait, Yokich,

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Speaker 1: you say this here, Jo Kitch, excuse me. Wemby, by

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Speaker 1: the way, grew another two inches. He's seven five.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I love Webby, and I know I think. I think

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Speaker 1: he's an unbelievable defensive player. I do worry about his

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Speaker 1: body type. Yo Kitch is not going to be hurt.

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Speaker 3: You surprised Cooper Flag did not crack the top three.

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Speaker 3: I would take Cooper Flag over SGA.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If I'm starting a franchise, well, I'd like

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Speaker 1: to see him play a single NBA game. I've seen

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Speaker 1: enough in college. I I like Cooper Flag alone. I've

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Speaker 1: seen enoughing season and Cooper Flag end up doing something

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Speaker 1: that I bet he's the Rookie of the Year choice easy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's an overwhelming favorite. Do not bet him because

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Speaker 3: it's you know.

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Speaker 1: How it's amazing people get so caught up in the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I gotta get those driving cars. How about we just

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Speaker 1: figure out waimo?

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Speaker 3: Okay, before those lies, don't don't you bask Wayman and

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Speaker 3: Waimo doesn't fly. Can you imagine our mothers in flying cars?

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Speaker 3: What do you do is it's a Jetson's episode. Come on, yeah, how.

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Speaker 1: About we worry about the tires that are actually hitting pavement.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's about the future, Yo kitchen for the next four years,

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Speaker 1: will be the best player in the world. You cross

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Speaker 1: your fingers with Wemby's health. I can't disagree with you there.

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Speaker 1: That's a stuff egg. That's not a bad take, Colard. Alright,

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Speaker 1: let's move on to your la Rams.

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Speaker 3: Now listen, defensive end Jared Versus guy's been an animal, right,

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Speaker 3: he is a total beast. He's set to face Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson this week. Oops, Lamar Jackson is still not one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent and he may not play well. When Verse

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Speaker 3: was asked about it, here's what he said about not

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Speaker 3: facing Lamar.

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Speaker 6: Curious about it. I want to play Lamar just because, like,

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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 10: He's one of the best quarterbacks you know, like currently,

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Speaker 10: and then also you know, you put him in that

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Speaker 10: conversation of not just running quarterbacks for quarterbacks every like

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Speaker 10: he's up in that conversation Pat Mahomes, Lamar is definitely

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Speaker 10: on there. I want to get Josh Allen. He owed

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Speaker 10: me a couple. But uh, I thought Tom Brady was

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Speaker 10: gonna come back, so I thought I was gonna get

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Speaker 10: my shot of him. But now there's a couple of

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Speaker 10: dudes in the league. I definitely got my eye on

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Speaker 10: that I want to get at least one time.

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Speaker 1: I'm not touching this game. I'm not touching it. Ravens

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Speaker 1: have too much pride. Maybe a few of those guys

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Speaker 1: are coming back to play. I'm not touching Rams will win,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not touching with him. A little chicken over there.

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Speaker 3: Huh, you're afraid to touch the Rams last night you

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Speaker 3: were throwing Levice. I was not.

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Speaker 2: I did not.

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Speaker 3: I warry you about the bill, but I wasn't. Like

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Speaker 3: that's one of my picks. It definitely would not have

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Speaker 3: made my picks here headlines. Let me ask you, though,

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Speaker 3: he said, Lamar Jackson's one of the best quarterbacks ever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Us see, he's already like a top ten quarterback all time.

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Speaker 1: Is that what we're talking ever? Well, in the history

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Speaker 1: of the league. Yes, how many people have played quarterback?

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Speaker 1: A thousand, let's say a thousand. If you're top fifteen,

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Speaker 1: you are absolutely elite. Is Lamar. Now, Lamar might be close.

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Speaker 3: Can you be top fifteen without getting to a super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? San Marino got to one and

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Speaker 1: he's top five. He got to a super Bowl period.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. Lamar's got the MVP. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking you're talking resume, I'm talking talent.

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Speaker 3: Well, talent is extremely subjective. Jared Versus might see talent

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Speaker 3: here you see and you watch Lamar, do you think

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Speaker 3: a bunch of people go, you know, he's actually slow?

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Speaker 3: Not that subjective. Anybody watched Jaws Allan and go kind

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Speaker 3: of a weak arm. It's not that subjective. It's it's talented.

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Speaker 3: People saw Cam Newton as talented.

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Speaker 1: You know, how did that end up? Well, well again,

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Speaker 1: he's not Lamar Jackson not consistent. He was super talented.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like these discussions.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't.

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Speaker 3: Final story, Colin is the Bengals traded for Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: and uh he was basically announced as the starter after

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Speaker 3: walking into the building. Jamar Chase, Jamar, are you ready

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Speaker 3: for this? Jamar Chase was asked about his new quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.

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Speaker 11: Everybody know who he is, you know, one of the

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Speaker 11: greatest quarterbacks I ever played, but it's good get him

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Speaker 11: out there, and we had some good reps in the day,

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Speaker 11: getting a good filler of the offense. He calls, he

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Speaker 11: plays a little fast, so that was something NW just hearing.

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Speaker 11: Butter and he's pretty smooth, you know, I mean he

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Speaker 11: knows the inswered ouse. No, I appreciate organizations trying to

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Speaker 11: trying to make this work.

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Speaker 1: So gotta make it work. No, I'm not a perfect

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 4: You like that at the end.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate the organization which you bang on more than anybody

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Speaker 3: trying to make this well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate when an employee is supportive of the guys upstairs.

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Speaker 1: Bengals drive me nuts, But I like that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a smart supportive or is this man?

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Speaker 2: These guys stink the organization?

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Speaker 1: How I feel about the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: I want you to pile on more because there's a

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Speaker 3: certain producer here fifteen feet away from me.

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Speaker 1: He complains about the Bengals more than anybody. I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to fire Zach Taylor for two years, like you and

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Speaker 1: the Jets. He's not delusion.

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Speaker 3: I'm a realistic Jet stink. Jack Taylor should have been

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Speaker 3: fired two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Boy, you love to fire people.

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Speaker 11: I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're fired. Maybe I'll host a reality show I'll

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Speaker 3: fire people, and then I'll be the president and like

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Speaker 3: fifteen years later, I feel sorry for that soccer team

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Speaker 3: you own.

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Speaker 1: You're having a rough season. Well maybe if you were

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Speaker 1: nicer to your employees should have a better season. Back

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Speaker 1: with the.

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Speaker 4: News, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by

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Speaker 4: the herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Bring the hook on everybody. Brady Quinn's going to be

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Speaker 1: joining us. Haven't uh saw Brady at the Illinois USC game? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: USC Illinois game. I'm telling you that USC Michigan game.

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Speaker 1: That is a program definer. That is a big one

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Speaker 1: for the Trojans. Michigan can lose that game. They're on

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Speaker 1: the road, they got a freshman quarterback Michigan. They can

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Speaker 1: lose that game. That's fine us. He can't lose that game.

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Speaker 1: Pressure is on the Indiana could go to Oregon and

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Speaker 1: they can lose that game.

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Speaker 3: I called about tickets to this because it's a hot,

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Speaker 3: hot ticket, and they said, you've got a box there.

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Speaker 1: I could probably squeeze in.

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Speaker 3: You can go.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I have I'm watching the game with Actually

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Speaker 1: the other.

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Speaker 3: Side you're hanging out with Michigan people who cowherd. A

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Speaker 3: lot of you people fly over the Midwest. I committed

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Speaker 3: to it. Linked Riley is not a happy man hearing that.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, it's the Herd.

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Speaker 4: You want to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 4: in noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 4: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: your share of ten thousand dollars. One of the questions

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Speaker 3: is which quarterback will have the most passing yards this week? Stafford,

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Speaker 3: Dak Daniel Jones or Sammy Darnold Colin.

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Speaker 1: Who you got should be a layup? Well. I think

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Speaker 1: Stafford against the Ravens is a good spot. I think

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Speaker 1: Darnold against the Jags will be interesting. Jacksonville has lived

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Speaker 1: off turnover creation and that will come back down to earth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jacksonville may may have a recovery somewhere. The

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Speaker 1: so J McK and I have always disagreed on brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: I think he's fine. I think it's a lot about

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Speaker 1: Shanahan and the system. He doesn't have winning record, you know,

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Speaker 1: when he doesn't have Christian McCaffrey and the team is

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Speaker 1: better offensively today or as good with Mac Jones. Jalen

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Speaker 1: Hurts similarly. I love Jalen Hurts, but I think his

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Speaker 1: intangibles are better than his tangibles is forever I've been

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Speaker 1: hearing about size doesn't matter for quarterbacks. Yet does Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson doesn't throw the ball well over the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field. Either does Tua. Either does Jalen Hurts. Greg

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Speaker 1: Cosel looks at every snap. Here's what he said about

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts throwing down the middle of the field.

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Speaker 12: One thing Jalen Hurts has never done particularly well. He's

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Speaker 12: not a window throw. He doesn't throw the ball between

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Speaker 12: the numbers and as I said we were talking earlier,

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Speaker 12: fifteen to twenty five yards. In fact, he's got the

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Speaker 12: fewest attempts of any quarterback in the league throwing the

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Speaker 12: ball between fifteen and twenty five yards between the numbers.

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Speaker 6: He doesn't see the game that way.

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Speaker 12: They have to be a running football team, and right

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Speaker 12: now they're not running the ball at all, and the

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Speaker 12: old line is hurt, it's banged up, and it's not

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Speaker 12: played anywhere near as well as it has the last

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Speaker 12: three four years, when it was arguably the best in

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Speaker 12: the league.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, similarly, like Jalen Hurts, had his best years

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Speaker 1: when he had a dominant run game. So last year

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Speaker 1: dominant Eagle run game, Jalen Hurts is very good. This

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Speaker 1: year running game struggling, Jalen Hurt's not as good. It's

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Speaker 1: the same with Russell Wilson. He's never had a great

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Speaker 1: run game. Didn't have it in Denver, didn't have it

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, didn't have it first couple of games without

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Speaker 1: Skataboo in New York Sctataboo wasn't starting. So it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's not anti. But when Greg Cosel comes out and

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Speaker 1: tells you, yeah, he's just not he's he can't see

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Speaker 1: the field particularly well, Tua has at least been honest

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Speaker 1: about it. Tua tells you, yeah, there's some throws I

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Speaker 1: can't see, so they're there. You know, It's like you

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Speaker 1: can be an action star and not be a big, strong,

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Speaker 1: physical actor. But it does help, you know, James Bond,

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Speaker 1: you know it helps you know Schwarzenegger, big strong, physical guy.

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Speaker 1: Sliced a loan Vin Diesel. It helps. If you're kind

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Speaker 1: of physically imposing to be an action star, you probably

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Speaker 1: don't need to be. I mean, Matt Damon isn't. Jason

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Speaker 1: Bourne was pretty cool, but it can help. And it's

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Speaker 1: like quarterbacks six to two and a half. An up

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Speaker 1: kind of helps you can see the field better. So

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Speaker 1: it's not a knocking anybody. It's just the reality of

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Speaker 1: what we have. So the games this weekend. The one

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Speaker 1: game I did not put in the Blazing five that

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Speaker 1: I will probably regret it is Pittsburgh at home against

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Speaker 1: Cleveland starting I think Flaco or excuse me today he's

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati starting Dylan Gabriel is I may end up

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Speaker 1: regretting it. But the reason I didn't bet it is

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Speaker 1: because of last night. Nobody would have guessed the Giant's

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Speaker 1: house the Eagles. I stay away from a lot of

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Speaker 1: these divisional games, and I know Pittsburgh should win this game.

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Speaker 1: But Mike Tomlin's been a great underdog coach, but Mike

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Speaker 1: Doomlin as a favorite has not been as good. Dylan

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Speaker 1: Gabriel is the kind of guy that could come out

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Speaker 1: because if TJ. Watt had a huge year, no he hasn't,

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Speaker 1: so I look at the Steelers and I'm like, should

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Speaker 1: the Steelers win? Absolutely? I think the Steelers will win.

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Speaker 1: But if Dylan Gabriel come out and was kind of

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Speaker 1: like eighteen to twenty six and it was just you know,

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Speaker 1: Cleveland's defense is absolutely legit. Go ask the Packers.

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Speaker 3: Home road splits are significant. At home, they were great

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Speaker 3: against the Packers. Then they go to Detroit and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: they can't stop anybody. Big news, Shdor Sanders was just

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Speaker 3: named the backup quarterback according to seven Kevin Stefanski. So

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Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel is a tweaked ankle on the opening drive

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Speaker 3: away from seeding quarterback to Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 1: That game is now must CTV. Well it makes it interesting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was gonna be Bailey Zappi. I

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Speaker 3: still think you had one of the funniest Zappie lines ever.

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Speaker 3: Remember Yep Zappie when you were doing like the campaign's love. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget that because it was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Don't be crappier. We'll see Bailey's happy. No. I, But

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Speaker 1: that that's the game. These Divisional Route two weeks ago

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Speaker 1: rams are going to crush the Niners. Niners had half

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Speaker 1: their starters. It was in La last night. Eagles roll.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you Cleveland, Cleveland could make this thing ugly.

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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel in Stefanski system could go eighteen to twenty

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Speaker 1: four and you look up and the Steelers win by

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Speaker 1: a field goal late. That's why I say these divisional

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Speaker 1: games are weird.

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Speaker 3: That I'll come in shirtless on Monday, because I'll be

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Speaker 3: without a shirt, I'll have lost it gambling on the

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: Brady Quinn around the corner, the hurd