Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, welcome in. Jason McIntyre. J Mack
Speaker 1: part of the Herd Ensemble, also part of the volume.
Speaker 1: He's got his daily morning podcast, will be joining us.
Speaker 1: He's all fired up for Dalvin Cook to the Jets,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in a second. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about something today because Ezekiel Elliott Zeke
Speaker 1: signed with the Patriots, is that there are things in
Speaker 1: life that I seek value with. I've got very flat,
Speaker 1: wide size twelve feet. I'm looking for comfort with shoes.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to spend a lot on shoes. I
Speaker 1: want comfort, and I'm not looking for the ugliest pair available,
Speaker 1: but comfort Trump's style and fashion. Same with cars, cars
Speaker 1: demere transportation. I know many of you have that testosterone
Speaker 1: car gene. Nothing wrong with it. My wife's a Michigan girl.
Speaker 1: She loves cars. I don't care. So I seek value
Speaker 1: in cars. I probably own. You know ten cars in
Speaker 1: my life, eight have been used. And then there are
Speaker 1: things I just won't go cheap on. I tell my
Speaker 1: kids all the time, education and experiences. You know, if
Speaker 1: we have to pay for an expensive college prep school,
Speaker 1: we were going to do it. And experiences. If I
Speaker 1: want to go on two vacations a year. You know what,
Speaker 1: We're going to stay at a nice hotel by the
Speaker 1: beach walking distance. So that's important in my life. Education
Speaker 1: for my kids, and experiences because when Dad's gone, you know,
Speaker 1: I want those to be great memories. And I think
Speaker 1: most of you, you know, there's certain things when I
Speaker 1: go to the store, I'll do value in paper towels.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do value in certain things like coffee.
Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting that the Patriots sign Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott again, going for a guy that can get value
Speaker 1: you with past his prime. He can be a three
Speaker 1: down back, but he's lost a lot of his horsepower.
Speaker 1: And you know, they signed Devonte Parker. There's not a
Speaker 1: big market for him, signed him to three years, Juju
Speaker 1: Smith Schuster, not a huge market for him. I just
Speaker 1: think in twenty twenty three, Kyle Shanahan's not seeking value.
Speaker 1: He went and he spent a lot of money and
Speaker 1: to make a move for Christian McCaffrey, and they signed
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel and George Kittle and left tackle Trent Williams.
Speaker 1: They're not seeking value, They're seeking greatness because the game
Speaker 1: has changed and I think if you start looking at
Speaker 1: the teams at the top of the afc Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: wasn't cheap. Baltimore went and got him. Go look at
Speaker 1: Cincinnati running backs, wide receivers. Joe Burro's going to cost money.
Speaker 1: I think if you're going to seek value in the
Speaker 1: NFL safety, linebacker, interior offensive line, if your quarterback's got
Speaker 1: a little bit of mobility. But yeah, I think z
Speaker 1: is fine, but he's not close to Dalvin Cook. Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook is still got I think traces of his prime left.
Speaker 1: And I don't think Zeke is a bad signing, but
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a significant move. I think Dalvin
Speaker 1: Cook's a better player. But we've seen it didn't matter
Speaker 1: if it was a hunter Henry Nelson agolar at one point,
Speaker 1: Bill's Oway's seeking value and there's just not a lot
Speaker 1: of it on the offensive side of the football. The
Speaker 1: best talent evaluators, you're never going to get Justin Jefferson
Speaker 1: or Jamar Chase or Davante Adams. You're never going to
Speaker 1: get those guys on the cheap, certainly not in their prime.
Speaker 1: So I don't think it's a bad signing, but I
Speaker 1: feel once again in New England. I feel like they
Speaker 1: have most of their offensive weapons, have moved out of
Speaker 1: their sweet spot athletically. Now Dalvin Cook to the Jets.
Speaker 1: My gut feeling on this, and he's a guy that
Speaker 1: can catch, he can run. I think he's just out
Speaker 1: of his prime but close to it. He can also block,
Speaker 1: so he's a three down back. But I think when
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers took some money off the table of his contract,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just altruism.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Aaron was like, Okay, I'll give some money back. What
Speaker 1: are you getting me? Get me another weapon? So you
Speaker 1: know it's I do think it was a bit of
Speaker 1: a brand pivot for Aaron Rodgers, who always sort of
Speaker 1: took the most money in Green Bay. And I do
Speaker 1: think it shows real growth for Aaron Rodgers and kind
Speaker 1: of a community team feel. That's cool. But he had
Speaker 1: to get something back in return, and this is it.
Speaker 1: Dalvin cooks a one year contract. I think he's a
Speaker 1: really good player. I don't think it's their number one need,
Speaker 1: but it does allow them to bring back Breeze Hall slowly.
Speaker 1: And listen, we have an extra game. Now they're seventeen games.
Speaker 1: You know you don't want to give any single running
Speaker 1: back two hundred and seventy five three hundred carries. They
Speaker 1: age fast, so I do think over the course of
Speaker 1: a season, Dalvin Cook allows you to bring Breeze haul
Speaker 1: back a little more slowly if they could. You know,
Speaker 1: they both get over one hundred carries, but neither gets
Speaker 1: to two. That's probably a very good thing. The Jets
Speaker 1: now have Aaron Rodgers. I still think the offensive line
Speaker 1: is the primary issue. I don't think running back's the
Speaker 1: number one issue. But you got to give Aaron something,
Speaker 1: a toy, a weapon for him taking a fairly profound
Speaker 1: one time pay cut. The Cowboys also ended their holdout
Speaker 1: with elite offensive guard Zach Martin. Kind of surprised that
Speaker 1: they cave now. They didn't give him top of the
Speaker 1: league money. Top of the league money's about twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one million for a guard. He got about eighteen from thirteen.
Speaker 1: I thought he'd been very well compensated. You know, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys get into a space and I think they they
Speaker 1: know the reality with Dak is the more you ask
Speaker 1: Dak to do, the more mistakes you have. And last
Speaker 1: year again, Zeke passed his prime offensive line in a rebuild.
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup was slow in the rehab coming back. They
Speaker 1: asked Dak to do more, and he tied for the
Speaker 1: NFL leading interceptions, And so I just don't think the
Speaker 1: offensive line is good enough now to lose their primary
Speaker 1: offensive guard in Zach Martin's a you know, first ballot
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame guy. He's arguably the best guard in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Certainly has been top one or two for
Speaker 1: the last eight nine years, eight time Pro bowler. So
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised they caved. Jerry has often done
Speaker 1: that with older players that he or star players that
Speaker 1: he likes. Jalen Smith, the linebacker. It didn't work. Zeke
Speaker 1: they paid him two years early, probably shouldn't have. So
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys you got, Brandon Cooks is new,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz is gone, Zeke is gone, Zach Martin out
Speaker 1: kind of a drip drip drip, leading you to believe
Speaker 1: are we putting more on Dak's table than he's comfortable with. Also,
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, the offensive coordinator's gone, So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things you've taken away from Dak. My guess is
Speaker 1: they sat down Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones and said,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of things have been taken away.
Speaker 1: Let's insert something back into the mix. The best interior
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Speaker 1: we bring in Jmac. So how fitting Dalvin Cook signs
Speaker 1: with the Jets. He can block, he can catch, he
Speaker 1: can run. I still feel like he may have one
Speaker 1: more year of his prime left. Whereas zeke I feel
Speaker 1: like his three years out of his prime. At least two.
Speaker 1: I feel like Dalvin Cook, it feels like he's closer
Speaker 1: to his prime. Is that fair? Oh?
Speaker 2: Certainly. I mean, Colin listen, let's be realistic, okay. And
Speaker 2: I'm not just saying this as a hyperbolic Jets fan.
Speaker 2: You know, we had this interview schedule before the Dalvin
Speaker 2: Cook news. Tell me who has the best skill position
Speaker 2: players in the AFC East between the Bills, the Dolphins,
Speaker 2: the Jets, and the Patriots. I've looked at the Cook numbers.
Speaker 2: There wasn't a drop off last year. The reason the
Speaker 2: Vikings had to get off of them was because of salary.
Speaker 2: They simply cannot afford him. And to build a team
Speaker 2: when you got to pay Justin Jefferson, the salary of
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins the offensive line, like they could not afford
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook. I don't think it had anything to do
Speaker 2: with the numbers and the drop off he instantly makes.
Speaker 2: The Jets have the best skill position players in the division.
Speaker 2: And if you want to zoom out and look at
Speaker 2: the conference, I mean we're not far I could say
Speaker 2: we right, We're not far behind the Bengals, who are
Speaker 2: obviously elite at receiver, and that Joe Burrow's better than Rogers.
Speaker 2: But you look at that Jets team, Colin, I'm being
Speaker 2: real here, Dalvin Cook, Garrett Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, that they're stacked.
Speaker 1: Okay, who's your number two receiver?
Speaker 2: So when you look at the depth of the Jets receivers,
Speaker 2: I think their depth far surpasses anything Buffalo has. Buffalo's
Speaker 2: top heavy with Stefan Diggs, Miami's top heavy. The top
Speaker 2: two guys are great. The Jets depth. Alan Lazard, big
Speaker 2: six ' five guy can go up and get it
Speaker 2: in the red zone. Mikole Hardman, a gadget guy who
Speaker 2: they can do a lot of things with. You line
Speaker 2: up on the slot outside like I know, we know
Speaker 2: Garret Wilson's the one after that. There's a lot of threes.
Speaker 2: But Colin, like I like the depth idea above. You
Speaker 2: know you got a one in a two. One of
Speaker 2: those guys goes down, you don't have depth. The Jets
Speaker 2: are so stacked at receiver and this Dalvin Cook thing. Listen,
Speaker 2: we don't know how Breese Hall is going to react
Speaker 2: coming back from injury, and Breece Hall if he can
Speaker 2: sit out the first three three four games if he's
Speaker 2: on the pup list. You know, Michael Carter was good,
Speaker 2: but let's be realistic, Okay, Dalvin Cook is a massive upgrade.
Speaker 2: And I'll challenge you, Colin to find a team that
Speaker 2: got better at quarterback and running back in the NFL
Speaker 2: this offseason. It just doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Breese Hall, Dalvin Cook, Aaron Rodgers, Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 1: Corey Davis, Alan Lazard. I don't like it as much
Speaker 1: as you I. You know, I think depth at receivers
Speaker 1: sounds good, but I like really great playmakers. My argument
Speaker 1: for receiving course is when you're one goes down Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: can your two be a one? You know, if Mike
Speaker 1: Williams goes down, Keenan Allen has been a one, Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase went down, t Higgins looked like a one for Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Jets have that. I mean, if
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup goes down, Rams don't have a two. Van
Speaker 1: Jefferson's a three. So you know, my takeaway was that
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers took a pay cut. It wasn't all for
Speaker 1: altruistic reasons. In the end, he made a deal with
Speaker 1: a team. You got to get me a toy, You
Speaker 1: got to get me something fun. And this is you know,
Speaker 1: they could use another tackle, but there's just none on
Speaker 1: the market, but there are running backs on the market,
Speaker 1: and Dalvin's the best running back. This feels like one
Speaker 1: of those handshake deals, all take less. You gotta get
Speaker 1: me another playmaker. That's what it feels like to me certainly.
Speaker 2: And listen, I'll just remind you the Jets went in
Speaker 2: a last season with Hey, our guy Zach Wilson and
Speaker 2: our running back is Michael Carter. Like they just did
Speaker 2: not have a lot last year offensively and still managed
Speaker 2: to win seven games. Like you've got to feel like
Speaker 2: the arrow's pointing up with the Jets. There's the only
Speaker 2: way it could be pointing is up. And I just
Speaker 2: cannot stress enough. You're going from literally bottom three quarterback
Speaker 2: situation in the league, arguably thirty second to instantly one
Speaker 2: of the best with Aaron Rodgers and I know he
Speaker 2: wasn't amazing last year, but it's very good and Wilson
Speaker 2: and Cook. This is the most exciting time for any
Speaker 2: Jets fan since Rex Ryan was dropping f bombs on
Speaker 2: hard knocks over a decade ago.
Speaker 1: You know, I talked about this on FS one today
Speaker 1: about I couldn't tell you the last New York team
Speaker 1: that overachieved, like I mean, I guess the Giants last
Speaker 1: year making the playoffs, but I mean the NFC was
Speaker 1: so weak. I don't feel like it was a triumph
Speaker 1: of any you know, great historic standard. But the Yankees
Speaker 1: and the Mets not good, Brooklyn Nets, kd Mess Jets underachieving.
Speaker 1: And I said, maybe it's just coincidence, but I tend
Speaker 1: to believe that as the media has gotten bigger and louder,
Speaker 1: is that a lot of the front offices in New
Speaker 1: York are weaker and a lot of the ownership groups
Speaker 1: are weaker. And the Yankees farm system now is you know,
Speaker 1: nobody has the patience for it, and that I do
Speaker 1: think there is a unique volume and pressure in New York,
Speaker 1: and I do think it makes it harder on athletes.
Speaker 1: That it's just I mean, you and I are not
Speaker 1: people that hang out in social media. I've worked with
Speaker 1: people who hang out on social media, and so they
Speaker 1: hear the noise and they react to it. You and
Speaker 1: I don't more more into our families, but I do
Speaker 1: think young athletes average GMS. I think I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm unfair when I say this. You lived out East,
Speaker 1: I lived there for a decade. Sports radio they actually
Speaker 1: talk sports. I live in Los Angeles. Sports talk radio
Speaker 1: doesn't even talk sports. It's all guide talk. You can't
Speaker 1: do that out East. People care more. It's louder, it's
Speaker 1: more intense. They call you out by names. I mean,
Speaker 1: like wfan is calling out people by names, and those
Speaker 1: guys hear it. So like my thing with the Jets
Speaker 1: is they've got to start three and three. They go
Speaker 1: two and four. It's ugly. Am I wrong? I think
Speaker 1: it affects teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never want to go overboard. But that Buffalo
Speaker 2: season opener is extremely important, and we touched on this
Speaker 2: on the show Colin. Jets offensive line is the biggest weakness. Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Bills have a top five defense in the league. If
Speaker 2: Von Miller plays, we don't know if he's going to
Speaker 2: be back. And they obliterate the Jets offensive line the
Speaker 2: way they did the Rams last year. In the opener,
Speaker 2: you saw the Rams season just snowball and kareem into
Speaker 2: a disaster. Well, in week two, the Jets and travel
Speaker 2: to Dallas and Michael Parsons, who's maybe the defensive player
Speaker 2: of the year. Colin, this is just setting up as
Speaker 2: first two weeks. You have to get a win. There's
Speaker 2: no zero and two. That Buffalo game under the spotlight
Speaker 2: of the New York media at night, Monday night football.
Speaker 2: I believe Colin, that game is going to be enormous. Now,
Speaker 2: Luckily Aaron Rodgers, he's not the kind of guy who
Speaker 2: gets worried, right, He's used to the spotlight in the primetime.
Speaker 2: But I cannot stress enough how excited I am for
Speaker 2: that game is still what doubt. But Colin, you know,
Speaker 2: if the Jets lose and Rogers Stings throws a pick six,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be the media is just gonna kill him.
Speaker 2: That's just what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I was watching the Raiders Niners, and I was really
Speaker 1: paying attention to the Niners. Although it was interesting to
Speaker 1: watch this young Purdue quarterback for the Raiders. It's like,
Speaker 1: is he this year's Brock Purty. He was actually pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, it's funny. There's this
Speaker 1: old saying in the NFL or the belief is that
Speaker 1: when you get a new GM, you know he's not
Speaker 1: loyal to the previous GM's mistakes than sometimes a GM
Speaker 1: to preserve his picks, Like less Need whiffed on two
Speaker 1: two at Well. If they had a new GM tomorrow,
Speaker 1: he'd bail on two two at Well, right, But you know,
Speaker 1: less Need's going to be more loyal to him. Logan
Speaker 1: Bruss looks like he can't play guard. They drafted him
Speaker 1: be a guard in the third round. Now they've moved
Speaker 1: into tackle. So you know, there's this sense is you're
Speaker 1: more loyal to your picks to preserve your reputation. And
Speaker 1: you know, when I watched Trey Lance, it just doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Like he's just overwhelmed. He's not accurate, he's not as
Speaker 1: twitchy or asthletic as they thought. And I think Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan is ready to just completely move off him because
Speaker 1: he didn't want him anyway, whereas John Lynch as John Lynch.
Speaker 1: But it was funny watching that game. Sam Darnold looked
Speaker 1: really good, and I thought they're going to go with
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy because he's a more accurate thrower. But when
Speaker 1: I watched Donald, and you know, I love Darnald, I
Speaker 1: thought he there were moments when he was with the Jets,
Speaker 1: he made some incredible plays. Do you think Sam Darnald
Speaker 1: could start and win games if Brock Purty's elbow didn't recover.
Speaker 1: Do you think Donald, like Baker, we kind of believe
Speaker 1: it's over. Nobody's gonna Do you think Donald as a
Speaker 1: Jets fan? Do you think he has anything left in
Speaker 1: the tank if he was a starter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is he like twenty six? I don't even know.
Speaker 2: He's in his mid twenties. He's got plenty left. I
Speaker 2: think the scary thing just listening to you break that down, Colin,
Speaker 2: it's like, wait a minute, Party got hurt in January. Okay,
Speaker 2: even if it's a seven month injury, the season was
Speaker 2: still nine months away. You're telling me that they had
Speaker 2: to go pick up Sam Darnald. It's almost as if, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: what if we got Sam Donald and this trade thing
Speaker 2: doesn't work out? Oh? No, Sam was just insurance for Party,
Speaker 2: and then Sam picked it up and we just lucked
Speaker 2: out into Sam Darnold. And that's an easier way to
Speaker 2: kind of write off Trey Lance. Like Trey Lance and
Speaker 2: his agent should have put his foot down. Why are
Speaker 2: you bringing another quarterback? I'm ready. I'm back from injury.
Speaker 2: It's my job. You guys drafted me. Why would Trey
Speaker 2: Lance put his foot down? And I think it's because
Speaker 2: he's like a young guy. You know this guy. I
Speaker 2: think somebody, somebody put up the stat I don't know
Speaker 2: on social media if you saw this that Trey Lance
Speaker 2: when you look at his college and NFL has like
Speaker 2: fewer pass attempts than Geno Smith had in like the
Speaker 2: last two years. Something obscure, like he just hasn't played
Speaker 2: a lot of football and Colin now opening his third
Speaker 2: on the depth chart. Yeah, I don't think loyalty exists
Speaker 2: in sports. I know you and I kind of differ
Speaker 2: on this. What's the saying you're you're only loyal as
Speaker 2: loyal as your options.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know that Trey Lance has many options right now.
Speaker 2: And I think the headline that I did was Trey
Speaker 2: Lance to the Vikings. Let's just keep an eye on
Speaker 2: that as his Viking season unravels.
Speaker 1: From Minnesota stuff I've been.
Speaker 2: Reading, Yeah, stuff I've been reading on Minnesota may not
Speaker 2: looking as great as we thought, Like thirteen wins, Okay,
Speaker 2: they'll go down to nine or ten, will they? I
Speaker 2: don't know, you just start to look at like Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 2: I get to the Jets, start looking at his numbers.
Speaker 2: You think Alex Madison can really replace those numbers from
Speaker 2: Dalvin Cook in the past and run game. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Madison's a good I play fantasy football. He's a good
Speaker 2: handcuff guy. He's not a great starter, Like I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's a world where the Vikings are like, oh, eight
Speaker 2: to nine. You know, let's move on from krit Cousins.
Speaker 2: Who can we put in here on the cheap and
Speaker 2: then rebuild and fortify around him the way the Niners
Speaker 2: have really built what is kind of a blueprint for
Speaker 2: the NFL Right now.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got most of my divisions down
Speaker 1: and in most instances, I'm just taking the best quarterback.
Speaker 1: And I think you've talked me into taking the Saints,
Speaker 1: although they're going to be thin at running back. Probably
Speaker 1: take the Saints to win that division. I'll take Carolina
Speaker 1: as a wild card team. Is there a team to
Speaker 1: you that won't make the playoffs? And it will shock
Speaker 1: people because we generally, you and I are both sort
Speaker 1: of more optimistic early in the season. Nobody wants to
Speaker 1: be a downer after watching the Broncos, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it would be a shock, but watching them struggle
Speaker 1: in the first three series against Arizona, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this is not plug and play, like this is really choppy.
Speaker 1: But that wouldn't be a surprise because I think we
Speaker 1: all understand the Chargers and the Chiefs are really stacked rosters.
Speaker 1: Do you have a oh crap, they didn't make the
Speaker 1: playoffs team.
Speaker 2: I was gonna save this for the herd. It's probably
Speaker 2: too hot for the volume audience, Colin, but you look
Speaker 2: at the Chargers and you're one in Brandon Staley. They
Speaker 2: were in Week seventeen. It's a Raiders national television game.
Speaker 2: All they needed was the tie to get to overtime.
Speaker 2: Game ends in a tie and they both teams go
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, right and Staley messes that up, calls timeout.
Speaker 2: Raiders kicked the field goal, Chargers missed the playoffs. But
Speaker 2: everything's looking great, got justin Herbert. Year two, Herbert's injured,
Speaker 2: Staley gets less aggressive. This is kind of an underplayed story.
Speaker 2: He started to get more cautious. Remember first year he
Speaker 2: was the head coach led the NFL in fourth down conversions,
Speaker 2: one of the most aggressive coaches. Was very good, but
Speaker 2: the media got on his case. He started to dial
Speaker 2: it back last year, started to coach, maybe a little
Speaker 2: scared they make the playoffs. He blows a huge lead.
Speaker 2: He enters year three and they drafted a receiver who
Speaker 2: you seem to like, the kid Johnson TCU Quinton Job. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We like the offensive coordinator in Kellen Moore. But as
Speaker 2: you said, the division is loaded, the schedule is not easy,
Speaker 2: and the AFC is a gauntlet. If I'm picking a
Speaker 2: team to miss the playoffs, here's a crazy scenario. Chargers
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs. Decide man, we ruined Justin Herbert's rookie deal.
Speaker 2: We have no playoff wins, one playoff appearance. Staley, you're
Speaker 2: out of here. We're gonna make a runner a big
Speaker 2: time coach, and you happen to talk about a coach
Speaker 2: Monday on the Herd that you know is facing some
Speaker 2: battles with the NCAA and had dabbled in the NFL
Speaker 2: last summer. I think it last February he interviewed with
Speaker 2: the Vikings and he was, you know, I guess chatting
Speaker 2: with the Chargers. The Carolina Panthers owner. His name is
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harball obviously a loves California. It's time
Speaker 2: with San Francisco.
Speaker 1: What if the.
Speaker 2: Chargers missed the playoffs seven and ten, eight and nine,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna get it. And you're not.
Speaker 1: Getting nine and eight is probably going to miss the
Speaker 1: playoffs in the AFC.
Speaker 2: So they missed the playoffs, Chargers do they say, you
Speaker 2: know what, Sorry, Staley, the ship has sailed. Oh, Jim
Speaker 2: Harball's on the market, and Jim Harball sees I can
Speaker 2: get Justin Herbert. You're telling me that's not getting Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh to the NFL. And a heartbeat. Now the only
Speaker 2: hiccup here. And you know, the owners of the Chargers
Speaker 2: have been kind of notorious cheap skates. Maybe one of
Speaker 2: the kids gets his dad, Hey, dad, open up the book.
Speaker 2: We gotta get Jim Harball in here. And Chargers missed
Speaker 2: the playoffs, but it's a blessing in disguise. They bring
Speaker 2: in Jim Harball to work with Justin Herbert. Well, we
Speaker 2: talked about this today. Harbaugh's never failed. That doesn't mean
Speaker 2: he won a national title at Stanford or a super Bowl,
Speaker 2: but he's never failed. And I mean Saban Spurrier, great coaches,
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer, great coaches, struggled in the NFL. You would
Speaker 2: leave Michigan and it would be deemed to success if
Speaker 2: you finished with three straight wins over the Buckeyes. I
Speaker 2: don't even remember the last time Michigan did that against
Speaker 2: Ohio State and you got to the playoff and even
Speaker 2: won a playoff game. And so if Jim Harbaugh, let's
Speaker 2: say they lose to LSU or George in the final,
Speaker 2: Harbaugh could say I took over for Brady Hoke, it
Speaker 2: was a mess, won ten games the first year, ended
Speaker 2: up in the last three years getting to the playoff twice,
Speaker 2: three straight Ohio State wins and losing to an SEC
Speaker 2: power in the final. That's absolutely a success story for Michigan. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh can leave with his head high because what
Speaker 2: forced like Jimmy Johnson, Pete Carroll out And I think
Speaker 2: I think this has happened to a lot of coaches.
Speaker 2: They get worn out from kind of the hipocrisy, the
Speaker 2: NC doublea where they sort of pick and choose who
Speaker 2: they punish. I think Jim Horr, Jim Harbaugh would look
Speaker 2: at it and say enough, I mean guys, we're doing
Speaker 2: cheeseburgers here. You've got SEC schools paying players through the
Speaker 2: churches for a thousand years. I could see Harriba if
Speaker 2: they beat the bucket.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where Ohio State fans would
Speaker 1: privately have to admit Harbaugh beating is for the third
Speaker 1: time in a row is a good thing because he
Speaker 1: leaves and then who's on the market. So kind of
Speaker 1: my takeaway is it would be the time NC doblea
Speaker 1: breathing down your neck playoffs, second year in a row,
Speaker 1: Buckeye win. I can see it happening.
Speaker 2: And the good think about the options that Harba was
Speaker 2: thinking about the Carolina Panthers who had the number one pick.
Speaker 2: They got Bryce Young, Like you like Bryce Young than
Speaker 2: I do. He's probably going to be a fine quarterback
Speaker 2: under no circumstances. Is he ever going to be as
Speaker 2: good at in the NFL as Justin Herbert, Let's just
Speaker 2: be obvious. And then he talked to the Vikings Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2: Very good quarterback won a lot of games. I don't
Speaker 2: I think if you and I and like thirty two
Speaker 2: NFL gms were pulled, they'd rather have Justin Herbert than
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins. So this is one of those jobs where
Speaker 2: it's going to be a feeding friends. We had Sean
Speaker 2: Payton ticketed for this job, and then Staley makes the
Speaker 2: playoffs and it looked like that, you know, up was
Speaker 2: it twenty seven to three or whatever in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: like it looked like Staley was fine. Then he blows
Speaker 2: the game. He thought, oh, he's going to get fired,
Speaker 2: and they kept him and replace his offensive coordinator. So
Speaker 2: we'll see. But Jim Harmar or the Chargers would sure
Speaker 2: spice things up. Especially Chargers, right, you know, dealing with
Speaker 2: the Rams out here, and the Rams are like the
Speaker 2: big deal. They win the Super Bowl, we got we
Speaker 2: got to do something right.
Speaker 1: Well, he'd have his left tackle and Rashawn Slater, he'd
Speaker 1: have a star young receiver. He'd have his center and
Speaker 1: Cole Linsley, Corey Linsley, he'd have his quarterback. The Spanhouses
Speaker 1: are not big metal er. They're really not. You can
Speaker 1: say they go cheap. They're not medalers. And Tom Telesco
Speaker 1: is considered a very solid top ten twelve general manager.
Speaker 1: That's about as well as you can do. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you go look at most job openings in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Washington could have one. You've got Sam Howe. Dallas could
Speaker 1: potentially have one. You've got the meddling of Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: I mean you start looking around and you're like, who else. Well,
Speaker 1: the Raiders can't have one. You don't have a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Tampa could have one. I like the GM, but right
Speaker 1: now you don't have a quarterback. The Chargers, I get
Speaker 1: a left tackle, star receiver, quarterback, center, excellent GM quality
Speaker 1: of life. Harbaugh's gonna have choices. And my takeaway is
Speaker 1: with the Spanoshos, open up the checkbook. Their history is
Speaker 1: no on coaches, but Marty Schottenneimer wasn't cheap, so they
Speaker 1: deserve credit there. Marty Schottenneimer wasn't cheap. I think I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a crazy I mean one of the
Speaker 1: things you and I like to do is theorize, you know,
Speaker 1: make predictions, and I don't think that's a crazy one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: When one of the things that I watched this weekend,
Speaker 1: and I think it's really changed in football is you know,
Speaker 1: like if you go if you have a real stable life,
Speaker 1: you have really good parents, and you go to a
Speaker 1: prep school and you go to a college, then I'm
Speaker 1: going to expect you, at twenty three years old to
Speaker 1: kind of have your act together out of college. If
Speaker 1: you're a child of divorce, went to a junior college,
Speaker 1: have no money, chaotic family, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: view you differently. So your journey is going to basically
Speaker 1: change my expectations of what you should do as a
Speaker 1: young quarterback. Like I watched Jordan Love sale the ball
Speaker 1: over Musgrave, I watched a less than five yards and
Speaker 1: attempt offensive game plan by the Packers. Seriously, Jason, I
Speaker 1: think the Packers know he can't play. I think they
Speaker 1: know it, and I think they're just trying to have
Speaker 1: him manage. I sat and watched that game. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this feels like Kenny Pickett averaged double per attempt. Kenny
Speaker 1: Pickett with that offensive line, you can't trust more than
Speaker 1: double Jordan Love's passing attempt yards. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: watched it. I watched more preseason than you, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this ain't it, man, this is not gonna work.
Speaker 2: I'm mostly with you. The only thing giving me pause
Speaker 2: is that Packer schedule and just how soft and easy
Speaker 2: it is. Could they gum it up with defense? And
Speaker 2: running and win some seventeen thirteen slugfests against CJ. Stroud
Speaker 2: and the you know young quarterbacks. Sure they could. Like overall,
Speaker 2: the Packers have talent, I mean Colin, That defense has
Speaker 2: a lot of names, a lot of first round picks.
Speaker 2: Offensive line will see. We know they have two good
Speaker 2: running backs. Like even if Jordan Love's not that dude,
Speaker 2: and I think you and I probably both, I think
Speaker 2: I'm on board with you. He ain't the guy. But
Speaker 2: there's a world where they say, hey, let's rate it in,
Speaker 2: do a lot of play action, a lot of bootleg
Speaker 2: and nothing. You talk about thirty throws with Dak let's
Speaker 2: kind of limit Jordan Love to like twenty passes. We'll
Speaker 2: come out early, be aggressive on first down, throwing to
Speaker 2: make manageable second and third downs, and let's get a
Speaker 2: ten nothing lead win with defense. I don't think this
Speaker 2: is going to be anything long term. With Jordan Love
Speaker 2: in the package. It just doesn't feel like a marriage
Speaker 2: made in heaven.
Speaker 1: So when I first met you, I knew you were
Speaker 1: a huge NFL guy and a huge college basketball guy.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I've always been a college football guy, NFL,
Speaker 1: college football, NBA, and I have an emerging love for UFC,
Speaker 1: which I find it wildly entertaining. So I love college football.
Speaker 1: One of the things that's not good for our business
Speaker 1: is regionalism, which is why baseball is a hard topic
Speaker 1: for us. People say sometimes not very often, but somebody
Speaker 1: will come up and say, you guys don't talk a
Speaker 1: lot of baseball, And I always say it's regional, Like
Speaker 1: nobody in Minnesota is going to watch the Mariners, and
Speaker 1: nobody in Seattle is going to watch UH Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: Like people watch their team and that's it. They don't
Speaker 1: watch now in the NFL or the NBA, you'll watch
Speaker 1: other stars and other teams. And so I think this
Speaker 1: is the best college football year potentially that I remember, USC, Texas, Clemson, Michigan,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Bama. I think all are fairly similar.
Speaker 1: Bama and Georgia have better rosters, don't have the quarterback Texas,
Speaker 1: USC don't quite have the rosters, but have great quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Are you a huge college football fan because we've.
Speaker 2: Are you love college football? So you know that you
Speaker 2: talked about having when you had kids. So we had
Speaker 2: kids when we were in Pennsylvania, and I would I
Speaker 2: would like wake up Saturday, you know the usual, Hey
Speaker 2: got to watch the college football pregame shows that I'm
Speaker 2: sitting around watching the games. Well you get the you
Speaker 2: got a wife and then you get kids and you
Speaker 2: got to make decisions. I'm like, hey, I'm going to
Speaker 2: do this all day Sunday. Can I still do it
Speaker 2: all day Saturday? And that doesn't totally work. And so
Speaker 2: I didn't abandon college football, but I stopped watching the
Speaker 2: pregame shows. This is like, you know, ten, twelve years ago.
Speaker 2: And then once you stop like getting into the pregame shows,
Speaker 2: then you're okay, well I can miss the kickoff, you know,
Speaker 2: the early games, and then it's like, oh, they're putting
Speaker 2: all the good games at night. I'll I'll just punt
Speaker 2: until the night games. And then it's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: Saturday night, I kind of want to go out. So, yes,
Speaker 2: college football has gone taken a backseat to me. But Colin,
Speaker 2: what I'll say is interesting is this when I got
Speaker 2: to Fox, you know, my history as like a worker
Speaker 2: in media, I'm like finding any angle I can succeed
Speaker 2: in collecting whatever domain expertise I can and then just
Speaker 2: going full home. So college football season starts. I think
Speaker 2: this was twenty eighteen, and I went to our digital
Speaker 2: team and I was like, Hey, why are we not
Speaker 2: doing any college football gambling? Guys, I'm watching the games,
Speaker 2: I'm betting on the games. Let's do some videos. So
Speaker 2: I started doing videos on college football. We do like
Speaker 2: a pick six and Texas Oklahoma, who you got? And
Speaker 2: I break it down for like thirty seconds. And we
Speaker 2: start to post these videos online for Fox Sports and
Speaker 2: they're like, holy cow, we got to do this big.
Speaker 2: So we're doing all these gambling videos and that fed
Speaker 2: my college football even more to gambling, and then I
Speaker 2: started to do draft stuff. So in a weird way,
Speaker 2: I don't watch as much, but I'm definitely reading as
Speaker 2: much because I've got to pay attention to injuries and
Speaker 2: the coaching moves. And I have some friends who are
Speaker 2: in the let's just say executive search firm world, and
Speaker 2: they like to feed me who's hot, who people are coveting,
Speaker 2: and so I'm definitely paying attention. But I'm not watching
Speaker 2: as much because you know, time is tough when you
Speaker 2: got two young kids.
Speaker 1: No listen, it's a reality. So my kids are out
Speaker 1: of the house now, so I have nothing but time
Speaker 1: to watch sports, so I did go through about it.
Speaker 1: I would say about an eight year period where college
Speaker 1: football was harder for me. I had to kind of
Speaker 1: make a choice, you know, So I would pick like
Speaker 1: two early games. When I first started watching college football
Speaker 1: years ago, they'd put the best games of the day
Speaker 1: on at nine in the morning thirty years ago. But
Speaker 1: now there's so much money to be made. Most of
Speaker 1: the good games outside of Fox's noon game, most of
Speaker 1: them are three point thirty Pacific on and so you know,
Speaker 1: I had to watch that early game, but Ann wanted
Speaker 1: to go out by like seven thirty. And it's like
Speaker 1: I had to make that choice because Sunday night football,
Speaker 1: you know, is top of the chart. So I do
Speaker 1: think you and I both put our family first. But
Speaker 1: I think college football this year is really going to be.
Speaker 1: It's going to be, I think, as captivating as college
Speaker 1: football's been in probably fifteen years. I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that's interesting is the NIL is a bit
Speaker 1: of an s show, and so is the transfer portal.
Speaker 1: And for a long time, college football coaches would tell
Speaker 1: me that they preferred college over the NFL because you
Speaker 1: had more off time. Well, now there's two recruiting periods
Speaker 1: and now the transfer portal. And the truth is the
Speaker 1: NFL job is better than the college job and now
Speaker 1: pays more with a better pension. So I wonder how
Speaker 1: long college football can keep Lincoln Riley and Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: and some of these very clever offensive coaches Ryan Day
Speaker 1: because it was always understood you had control of your
Speaker 1: personnel in college. You were the richest guy on campus,
Speaker 1: you didn't have a crazy owner, and you had a
Speaker 1: really nice offseason. That off season's over. Lincoln Riley may
Speaker 1: get six days a year. He's got nil, he's got
Speaker 1: transfer portal, he's got two recruiting periods, he's got boosters.
Speaker 1: So I think one of the trends to keep your
Speaker 1: eye on over the next three years is can usc
Speaker 1: they can pay Lincoln Riley? Can they keep him? I
Speaker 1: think it's become a miserable job. Now your plane flights
Speaker 1: if you're Lincoln Riley, now you've got longer plane flights.
Speaker 1: Harbor's got longer flights out West. That's less time with
Speaker 1: the family. You have to leave earlier. We're putting a load.
Speaker 1: I know they make a lot of money, but we're
Speaker 1: putting a load on college coaches. You and I have
Speaker 1: always known a college basketball coach doesn't translate to the NBA,
Speaker 1: but college football coach have translated for years to the NFL.
Speaker 1: I don't know that. That's my kind of yeah, next
Speaker 1: five years thing to keep your eye on.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because I was just thinking like, well, wait
Speaker 2: a sec. The college football playoff is expanding, so more
Speaker 2: coaches are going to be able to say I made
Speaker 2: the playoff. Hey, I'm in the playoff three three of
Speaker 2: the last five years. Yeah, fire me. So it's almost
Speaker 2: like coaches will have more security. And though some of
Speaker 2: those guys, you nam, Brian Day's not going to be
Speaker 2: missing the playoff when they expanded. He's not the best out.
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley's not going to be missing the playoff, and
Speaker 2: so they'll have the security, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: they'll now have a better resume of the NFL. Hey, man,
Speaker 2: look what I'm doing. Every year. I've got one of
Speaker 2: the best teams in the country and not just in
Speaker 2: the rankings, but we're in the playoff, the big money
Speaker 2: games at the end of the season. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I would agree with you that they're probably going
Speaker 2: to be worn down because remember you used to recruit
Speaker 2: a kid, you sign him, he's yours unless he wants
Speaker 2: to leave because he has that playing time. Now you
Speaker 2: got to keep him. I don't even know the pit
Speaker 2: coach's name. All he does is complain because he finds
Speaker 2: these diamonds in the rough. They look awesome. And then
Speaker 2: the big schools come and are poaching, like Treating Pitt
Speaker 2: and some of these other schools, like they're like Triple
Speaker 2: A farm clubs. Hey, hey, you get the guy out
Speaker 2: of high school and juco pump him up for a year,
Speaker 2: then we'll take him over here to our big boys school.
Speaker 2: So like that's gonna get old quick for a lot
Speaker 2: of those schools. Yeah, that's another wrinkle in college football
Speaker 2: that's going to get good, and I will think so.
Speaker 2: You know, we talked a little bit about the quarterback situation.
Speaker 2: How good it is this year. If you look at
Speaker 2: the ages of some of these guys colin because of
Speaker 2: the COVID year, you've got guys sticking around much longer.
Speaker 2: Almost all these prospects, even like Hendon Hooker, like twenty two,
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty four years old coming into the NFL.
Speaker 2: Can he pikett I mean, he really only showed for
Speaker 2: one year in college, that's it. And now here we
Speaker 2: are year two in the NFL, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this guy's gonna be twenty six in
Speaker 2: a minute. And it's like, wow, he looks kind of
Speaker 2: poised and mature. You're not getting these young Johnny Manzel
Speaker 2: dudes anymore, which is kind of a benefit of COVID
Speaker 2: quarterbacks sticking around a lot longer.
Speaker 1: All right, what side or you on one NBA topic?
Speaker 1: Are you on the Darryl Moury side, who sometimes can
Speaker 1: be addicted to stars and personalities, or the James Harden
Speaker 1: side where promises were probably made financially and Daryl Morey
Speaker 1: now doesn't want anything to do with him. I think
Speaker 1: Harden is trying to pressure Darryl Moury to make a
Speaker 1: deal with the Clippers, and by calling him a liar,
Speaker 1: it's personal. Darryl Moury will suck it up, lose the
Speaker 1: deal to the Clippers, won't demand Terrence Man. I guess
Speaker 1: that's one of the that's one of the guys that
Speaker 1: Daryl Moray wants and the Clippers don't want to give up. Hey,
Speaker 1: he's a rotational player.
Speaker 2: Good player. What is your takeaway? Who's at fault here?
Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna side with James Harden Collin
Speaker 2: and I understand his unhappiness. I have like a in
Speaker 2: Sundi Eary take on Harden. I want to be careful
Speaker 2: with what I say here. But you know, when you
Speaker 2: call someone a liar in a public banner like that,
Speaker 2: like you better have you better have to have to
Speaker 2: back it up. And apparently Daryl Moury made a bunch
Speaker 2: of promises and none of them were delivered. Now, I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a result of something that happened
Speaker 2: during the season after the season, But Chris Paul, if
Speaker 2: you remember a couple of years ago, Chris Paul came
Speaker 2: out and said, Yo, Daryl Morey told me I was
Speaker 2: gonna be with your organization like two days ago. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not trading you, We're keeping and then two days
Speaker 2: later I read on social media I got traded. So
Speaker 2: this guy's a liar. So Chris Paul is saying that
Speaker 2: Daryl Moray historically has not kept promises. Now James Harden
Speaker 2: is saying the same thing. And do you know who Colin,
Speaker 2: who's one of the most popular NBA players in China
Speaker 2: James Harden. And you know how that is. So when
Speaker 2: Yao Ming came to the NBA, they started to broad
Speaker 2: they had been broadcasting games in China. Obviously that everybody
Speaker 2: in China loves the Houston Rockets. Tracy mcgreat is a huge,
Speaker 2: huge guy. Yeah, Ming's a huge guy. When they leave,
Speaker 2: there's still a billion Rocket fans. James Harden arrives with
Speaker 2: Dwight Howard. Oh, by the way, you know where Dwight
Speaker 2: Howard played last year China. I wonder if James hard
Speaker 2: is seeing the writing on the wall. Man, I don't
Speaker 2: have a market. These guys want to pay me on
Speaker 2: the cheap. I know I'm making my money because I
Speaker 2: opted in, But where's my next deal going to be.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting three years, sixty mili. I'm not getting
Speaker 2: one of these Anthony Davis Steele's I'm not getting a
Speaker 2: Lebron deal. And I start to wonder. We just saw
Speaker 2: Leonel Messi turned down a billion dollars in Saudi Arabia. Okay,
Speaker 2: Lionel Messi said I'll go to the MLS. I'll get
Speaker 2: a chunk of the team and the Apple profits. What
Speaker 2: if James Harden said, I'm sick of this. Darryl Morriy
Speaker 2: Krap no teams want me. That's fine. I'll go where
Speaker 2: I'm loved. I thought Houston loved me. They went after
Speaker 2: Fred van Vliet, Fred van Feet that free agency opens up,
Speaker 2: Let's get Fred van Vliet hard. It had been saying
Speaker 2: for months that's where he would love to go. So
Speaker 2: where does James Harden field the love? And the answer
Speaker 2: is China. He's one of the most popular NBA players
Speaker 2: in China. Steph Curry and the Warriors obviously been dominating,
Speaker 2: so they're number one, but Harden's right up there. And
Speaker 2: you start to see some of these older NBA players,
Speaker 2: if they don't have the market that they want, do
Speaker 2: they explore international options. James Harden could still do really
Speaker 2: well in China. He averaged a twenty one to ten
Speaker 2: this past season in the NBA. He's a good player.
Speaker 2: But if he feels unhappy and he's getting lied to
Speaker 2: and nobody wants to pay him, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: go where they love me. Colin and I think you
Speaker 2: would agree. Sometimes you got to feel the love. Man.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting it really is an interesting take. Saudi
Speaker 1: Arabia is now a real player. Theymar, Yeah, I mean so,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the craziest thing I've heard today.
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting take.
Speaker 2: And you know who would be right behind him the
Speaker 2: guy who commented on social media about Adrian Wojanowski, and
Speaker 2: that's Kyrie Irving. We know Kyrie Irving is as as
Speaker 2: out there as anybody in the NBA. And you look
Speaker 2: at Sneaker deal's gone awry and where he would go
Speaker 2: to middle finger the NBA and get paid and feel
Speaker 2: the love. Kyrie Irving following James Harden would not shock
Speaker 2: me in the least. Now he's a little younger than Harden,
Speaker 2: but I think he only sounded like a two year
Speaker 2: deal with Dallas.
Speaker 1: He's persona on Grada for most NBA gms.
Speaker 2: There you go, I mean, you don't want to deal
Speaker 2: with these guys and you're not going to pay him
Speaker 2: the thirty million? Well where can you go get the
Speaker 2: money and hoop where everybody loves you. You think the media
Speaker 2: is going to crush James Harden in China, No way,
Speaker 2: They're not going.
Speaker 1: To do that.
Speaker 2: So it is just keep it in mind a year,
Speaker 2: eighteen months if you start hearing James Harden China rumors.
Speaker 1: Jason McIntyre, Buddy, it was great. We're going to be
Speaker 1: doing this every week, getting some picks on Thursday. Love
Speaker 1: having you back from VAK. I know how much your
Speaker 1: family means to you, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Pal.
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