Speaker 1: You know that scene. We're just going this is a
Speaker 1: cold open, so we're on, but you could whatever. Wait
Speaker 1: remember crazy stupid love. When she looks at him, she's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are you like? You look photoshopped. This
Speaker 1: is not a real person. I have to cancel. I
Speaker 1: can't do this. This is not I don't I can't
Speaker 1: do this. Okay, So, Chris Appleton, I want you to
Speaker 1: know that I was a few minutes late because I
Speaker 1: was having hair extensions taken out for the first time
Speaker 1: of my life. I tried hair extensions a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago and eyelash extensions. I guess I just needed
Speaker 1: to be extended because I was going to do an
Speaker 1: unprecedented social kind of couple of weeks. I'm not a
Speaker 1: very social person, especially like in you know, public events,
Speaker 1: and I had a bunch of shit. So I was like,
Speaker 1: let me try it. And I would say that would
Speaker 1: you not agree that it has to be damaging to
Speaker 1: your hair? Right? By and large, it's not great for
Speaker 1: your hair.
Speaker 2: Which once did you have in.
Speaker 1: Fancy fancy people's celebrity hair extension people? Yes, carrot in.
Speaker 2: Being good, they're the most natural. It caused the most
Speaker 2: tension on that hair.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean unfortunately, you put it in and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, we're doing to have all this out,
Speaker 3: and then you get used to it and you take
Speaker 3: it out and you're like, I've got no hair.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, well, what's.
Speaker 1: Funny is I have more than I thought in the
Speaker 1: shower it felt small. But I've been also on a
Speaker 1: hair journey, which I want to talk to you about,
Speaker 1: Like I'm really I had a dermatologist tell me that
Speaker 1: it's the exact same rate for women over fifty as
Speaker 1: men losing their hair, but women will not talk about it.
Speaker 1: So I think it's something that at some point we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about you. But I think it's the
Speaker 1: shame of it should be reduced because oh yeah, women
Speaker 1: don't talk about it. They really don't.
Speaker 3: No, I mean a lot of women have like find
Speaker 3: it hair, And honestly, like that's why I started working
Speaker 3: with conservations. It was so interesting would work with these
Speaker 3: really strong, confident women like.
Speaker 2: All breakers, you know.
Speaker 3: I was like a little nervous and stuff, and they
Speaker 3: would come in and they had this cancer and the
Speaker 3: hardest thing for them was losing their head. Because I
Speaker 3: felt like I've lost my identity that I can't go
Speaker 3: out so used to work. Wow, so powerful And that
Speaker 3: was like such a moment for me where I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: like hair really is so valuable, Like it really is
Speaker 3: part of the way people look on the way they
Speaker 3: present themselves. And I think women say to me though
Speaker 3: the role WI who's the breast?
Speaker 1: And wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very proud. Wow two I am you know?
Speaker 1: And wow is the name of your brand, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Color?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've been working with Color and been a part of
Speaker 3: that for the last six years, which has been really
Speaker 3: fun because as an entrepreneur, it was really nice to
Speaker 3: be able to build with a brand because no one
Speaker 3: ready knew who they were before and it's just starting out.
Speaker 3: Everyone knew they had a powder, but to be able
Speaker 3: to build it to what it is now and see
Speaker 3: everyone use it, it's been a great process.
Speaker 1: Oh what happened in the beginning? They you were just
Speaker 1: kind of working together in a promotional aspect, and then
Speaker 1: you took equity or something or like they were an
Speaker 1: existing brand that needed a little jolt and a little language,
Speaker 1: a little communication.
Speaker 2: Whose brand it is?
Speaker 3: She had John Frida, She sold it for a phenomenal
Speaker 3: amount of money and you know, she's had a great success,
Speaker 3: and then she loved sort of you know, haircuts and
Speaker 3: wanting to do her own brand. So it just kind
Speaker 3: of stopped it as I joined because I was actually
Speaker 3: met with like a really equative deal for a bigger company,
Speaker 3: which would have been the easier.
Speaker 2: Route to go through. But I kind of just liked
Speaker 2: the underdog.
Speaker 1: I like, I like being building a brand, well being.
Speaker 2: A part of it, yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: And you know, like we made amazing products that have
Speaker 3: changed the game in haircats.
Speaker 2: So it's been really amazing to Bet. I'm very proud
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: So she's the It was basically like when someone is
Speaker 1: a skincare line but they want to have a dermatologist attached.
Speaker 1: So it was the entrepreneur and the famous hairstyles. You
Speaker 1: got together and you have equity and it's like your
Speaker 1: brand also your partners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have all of that, But I think it's
Speaker 2: the time. I don't think that once. The famous head
Speaker 2: works very interesting. She's particular.
Speaker 3: She kind of reminds me of the double worst Prada,
Speaker 3: like you know, kind of melch. She's very hardcore and
Speaker 3: a lot of she said she had a lot of
Speaker 3: books presented to her, but at the time, mine was
Speaker 3: the first time that kind of made a stop and go, Okay,
Speaker 3: this guy works outside of the box. And you know,
Speaker 3: I think she liked that. So it just all kind
Speaker 3: of we kind of work. We just thought. What's her name, Gail,
Speaker 3: Gail Veterci.
Speaker 1: Gail Vetterci. So do you consider yourself a business person
Speaker 1: and an entrepreneur in addition to creative or is the
Speaker 1: business more her because often artists are not great business people.
Speaker 1: Often chefs think they are, and then they get into
Speaker 1: trouble with intellectual property and trademark and law. And not
Speaker 1: to say that they're not intelligent, it's just left with brain,
Speaker 1: right brain, and not everyone's good at everything.
Speaker 3: No, I think I've always been very aware of what's
Speaker 3: going on around me. I've been lucky enough to work
Speaker 3: with some amazing people, the creative businesses.
Speaker 2: I've seen these businesses be built from.
Speaker 3: The beginning, and I've always just been like a sponge
Speaker 3: back when I was in Fashional week, I would watch
Speaker 3: and I'd look at like, who is the main hair
Speaker 3: startist here?
Speaker 2: Why is he or she the main hair stylist? About them?
Speaker 2: How do they handle themselves?
Speaker 3: How I just I've always been like the points and
Speaker 3: absorbent information and obviously working with the people who got
Speaker 3: to work with it's been phenomenal because I've watched that
Speaker 3: to and No, I've always been very lucative about making
Speaker 3: a business and being an entrepreneur in the space. And
Speaker 3: the one thing I've noticed people just love to put
Speaker 3: them in a box. And I think hopefully I've built
Speaker 3: well broke down a few doors of trying to kind
Speaker 3: of work outside of that and say, okay, it's okay
Speaker 3: to hair started, it's also okay to you know, work
Speaker 3: with whoever jay Loo or Kim, but also be able
Speaker 3: to help Miss Jones the those to the cell one
Speaker 3: every week and make it relatable. So trying to break
Speaker 3: it down and make it more relatable. But outside of that,
Speaker 3: you know, there's been great things done in fashion and
Speaker 3: I've been excited about that. But people always want to
Speaker 3: put you back in a box and career people love
Speaker 3: just to put you.
Speaker 1: W the rints, the thing, No, that's funny for you
Speaker 1: because of hair But yes, having been on Housewives, I
Speaker 1: mean I created the fastest growing liquor brand in liquor
Speaker 1: history at the time, and also invented the skinny margarita
Speaker 1: as one of ten businesses and have made more money
Speaker 1: on the other businesses than the margarita, and people still
Speaker 1: want to keep putting me in. First it was the
Speaker 1: Housewives box forever, which I'm still in the corner of
Speaker 1: that box. And then it's like, all I've ever done
Speaker 1: is invent a cocktail, which I've done, you know, four
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars in relief work around the world. So
Speaker 1: you got to just keep pushing through and also make
Speaker 1: sure you know, for you you are still doing hair.
Speaker 1: So that's even harder in the sense that for someone
Speaker 1: who doesn't know who you are, they're going to think, oh,
Speaker 1: just the hairstylist over there, as if I was still
Speaker 1: on the Housewives, like I have left there, So there
Speaker 1: is a separation. Not that there's anything wrong with being
Speaker 1: on the Housewives or being a hairstylist, but people reduce
Speaker 1: your entire life to one thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it being in a bigger business, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, just overtied to the bubble.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm proud of what I've come from.
Speaker 3: And it's interesting how people go, oh, we were Slepty's
Speaker 3: that's a successful now It's always amazes me how people
Speaker 3: abuse success, because honestly, I wake up more days than
Speaker 3: not feeling insecure about what I'm doing or at sure
Speaker 3: or having doubts, and people all of a sudden things
Speaker 3: you've got it all sorted and all figured out.
Speaker 1: I see that too. And I will say this if
Speaker 1: for someone who's an entrepreneur, even if they make a
Speaker 1: lot of money, if they haven't had the one big
Speaker 1: hit where you get the big pile, it's hard to
Speaker 1: accumulate wealth. It's hard to be like at that point
Speaker 1: where you're not worried about something, and people don't realize
Speaker 1: that because it's staff, it's taxes, it's you know, there's
Speaker 1: just a lot of stuff that goes into it. So
Speaker 1: people read numbers and they just think, oh, he makes
Speaker 1: this much money. You know. Like I'm friends with Christopher Buckle.
Speaker 1: I know he's like a normal person. He does Mariah's
Speaker 1: makeup and he does everybody and he's still like a
Speaker 1: normal guy, like living in a neighborhood and he's got
Speaker 1: his thoughts about bills and what things cost, and like
Speaker 1: I know, you know, Scott Barnes reaching out to me
Speaker 1: to send me his makeup brushes. He's pimp and too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's j Lo's makeup guy. But to me,
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's like just trying to make a
Speaker 1: dollar and fifteen cents in his business. So I see
Speaker 1: that from both sides, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, And obviously like social media, love it or
Speaker 3: hate it, that's a part of the world.
Speaker 1: Well, we're definitely going to get Yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: get into that for sure. So I didn't know you
Speaker 1: have two children from a previous marriage and you're still
Speaker 1: close with your ex and it's a woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were never married, but we were together for
Speaker 2: nine years.
Speaker 1: So how has sexuality played a role or in your
Speaker 1: life or being put in a box? And could you
Speaker 1: easily be with a woman as much as a man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's sort of interest in the sexuality was.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how much of the big deal it was.
Speaker 2: It was funny.
Speaker 3: I just saw some beyond about Seawn Menders like sort
Speaker 3: of saying about sexuality and is still bigger in it
Speaker 3: out I didn't coming out old later on in life.
Speaker 2: I was twenty six.
Speaker 3: It was incredibly difficult because her two kids by the
Speaker 3: partner I've been with for like nine years I thought
Speaker 3: I had it all figured out. Everyone else also thought
Speaker 3: I had it figured out. So when you were all
Speaker 3: of a sudden then changing the record, you know, people
Speaker 3: are like, well, you must have always known, and I
Speaker 3: didn't realize I did. But at school, you know, you
Speaker 3: trace it back, and I like to be very aware,
Speaker 3: and I started to not make the same mistake.
Speaker 2: Twice.
Speaker 3: I was bullied quite a bit of school and be
Speaker 3: abused to sales gay because I did hair. Hair was
Speaker 3: the first sort of time I felt good at something.
Speaker 3: I was dyslexic, so I was always told I didn't
Speaker 3: fit into the group. You know, I was always kind
Speaker 3: of not quite understanding what they're wrong about because I
Speaker 3: was here as a dyslexic. You just absorbing information in
Speaker 3: a different way. So when I got my hands on now,
Speaker 3: I did my mom's hair when when I was like
Speaker 3: nine years old, it was the first time I remember
Speaker 3: should have booked in the mirror, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, you get to meet people feel something, and
Speaker 3: I fucking love that. I love that you get to
Speaker 3: make people feel and react. And I remember the first
Speaker 3: day and someone I was like, I want to do this.
Speaker 3: People walked in one way with a hair tied backs
Speaker 3: all this down, but they walked out. It only made
Speaker 3: me start a blowout. But they felt like every fucker
Speaker 3: was even if they weren't. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to do. This is like
Speaker 3: a superpower.
Speaker 1: But there were so many straight hairstylists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And I never was sort of too focused
Speaker 3: on sexuality. But people of school was like eighting was
Speaker 3: always mentioned and as a kid, you just don't want
Speaker 3: to be different. I already felt different because I was
Speaker 3: I did hair, so no one else was. I had
Speaker 3: a job when I was like you, no one else
Speaker 3: had a job. You know, I was pretty photos on
Speaker 3: my craft and so I was, I guess, just determined
Speaker 3: to prove everyone wrong.
Speaker 2: But so much that I did myself just just this,
Speaker 2: and you know, I buried it.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't until I kind of experienced it at
Speaker 3: twenty six that I was like, also just down through
Speaker 3: it as long as as well as everyone else. The
Speaker 3: difficult thing is then your heart and people around you
Speaker 3: that you know you've committed to, and you feel that
Speaker 3: you people feel like they know you, and you feel
Speaker 3: like you know them, and all of a sudden you're
Speaker 3: telling the story, which you're also trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: So it was really hard for a few years, it
Speaker 3: was really difficult to you know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I was recently thinking about something and
Speaker 1: I was recently I'm happier than I have than I
Speaker 1: can ever remember. A lot of things happened. I went
Speaker 1: through a breakup and my mother passed away, and like
Speaker 1: I emerged victorious in my life in a way that
Speaker 1: everyone notices, Like people see me and it's recognizable. It's wild,
Speaker 1: And I will say that I will I have said recently,
Speaker 1: like I'm really proud of myself for some of the
Speaker 1: changes that I've made, and because they were hard to make,
Speaker 1: because it takes courage to leave something that isn't that
Speaker 1: is good, but that might just not be great, and
Speaker 1: you feel sort of like, what's wrong with me? Like
Speaker 1: something must be wrong with me? What am I pushing
Speaker 1: the novelo? But I think I'm supposed to have perfection?
Speaker 1: But I've said on my dating podcast, if you don't know, yes,
Speaker 1: it's no. So I'm relating that to what you're saying
Speaker 1: at a much more massive scale. But like you didn't
Speaker 1: have a shitty life, you weren't tortured. You just were
Speaker 1: probably feeling like something massive was missing and not complete
Speaker 1: and like you had to like make that courageous jump
Speaker 1: and choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, And it sounds cheesy, but honestly, there's there's
Speaker 3: so much power in like living authentically and being authentically yourself.
Speaker 3: And I think once I let dog the deal and
Speaker 3: the shame of it or my whole life changed, you know,
Speaker 3: everything changed. It was amazing how much grew and changed
Speaker 3: when I was things that.
Speaker 1: It weren't even related to your relationship or sexuality, just
Speaker 1: because the energy. Because when you jump, you fly, like
Speaker 1: if you have the if you have the inclination to
Speaker 1: jump in your body. It's not something you can be
Speaker 1: logical about itself, something you can discuss with some It's
Speaker 1: not on a piece of paper. You have to just
Speaker 1: jump by yourself. It's like anything else, like being an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: You're alone in that. Like that's one of the things
Speaker 1: I do believe. So I could have easily stayed in
Speaker 1: a situation where which was really good, but like I
Speaker 1: jumped and I flew, So you certainly jumped and you swored,
Speaker 1: so okay, So I read that you your big, your big,
Speaker 1: big break was the Christina Aguilera and the Voice. You
Speaker 1: had been working with Rita Aura and you had done
Speaker 1: X Factor that was in the UK. I guess, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Christina Aguilera was was a critical moment.
Speaker 3: The first time I was in the UK, I'd kind
Speaker 3: of done the Star wom thing. I started the Star
Speaker 3: Warm and I said what else does that? Started to
Speaker 3: do fashion Week, which led me to the editorial magazines,
Speaker 3: and then that kind of led into celebrity. Just always
Speaker 3: wanting to learn more. I was working with Rita Aura
Speaker 3: and I was just social media.
Speaker 2: It started. I was just posting my work, just stuff
Speaker 2: I was proud of.
Speaker 3: And I actually got a call from j Loo's team
Speaker 3: and they were like it was an email actually, and
Speaker 3: they said Jennifer Oo Buzzy is doing a Vegas tour
Speaker 3: and she looked beauty and I was like.
Speaker 2: Wow, I just ignored it, ignored the email. I thought
Speaker 2: it was like yeah.
Speaker 3: I just thought it was like a jong, you know
Speaker 3: whatever emails. And then a few weeks later I've got
Speaker 3: another email and I was like, oh cool, I have
Speaker 3: a chee. I'm just Chris from Western you know, you know,
Speaker 3: Hollywood and Leicester and northern England.
Speaker 2: It was a big gap in between it all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it kind of just got me thinking to like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe there's more.
Speaker 3: So I actually left London a week later. I packed
Speaker 3: two suitcases out and fully furnished apartment. I gave up
Speaker 3: with everything, actually, but I moved just on the off
Speaker 3: chance that it was going to work. And I moved
Speaker 3: to America and I didn't do anything for the first
Speaker 3: three months to start all the money, and then eventually
Speaker 3: I got a call from Christina Gallera team, which was great,
Speaker 3: but then I kind of had this daunting realization that
Speaker 3: she's Christine agurol Arap.
Speaker 2: She's like a huge, fucking popped.
Speaker 3: Up and the I think the small man syndrome where
Speaker 3: you're just like, I'm just Chris that loves doing there
Speaker 3: and makes people feel good kicked in. Anyway, I turned
Speaker 3: to the boys. Three hours a glam, the make up,
Speaker 3: all this went in and I was sitting outside, you know,
Speaker 3: ready to do my thing. I had a few looks
Speaker 3: in my.
Speaker 2: Head and I went by and I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: we go. We said up. Two hours. Another hour went
Speaker 2: by and I was like, well, maybe, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: she's got someone in there.
Speaker 3: Already and I'm going to touches or I wasn't quite
Speaker 3: sure what don but you have to sit there for
Speaker 3: two hours, Thanks Diety. It was really yes, And twenty
Speaker 3: minutes before the live so shows, she called me into
Speaker 3: a trader.
Speaker 1: Oh shit.
Speaker 3: In my head, I'm like, you know, have great hair,
Speaker 3: it will be beautiful, and I'm probably just going to
Speaker 3: touch it up because what else is that it's having
Speaker 3: twenty minutes? Right, If anyone's ever had bleached out, then
Speaker 3: they know that it's not done and it's not beautiful.
Speaker 3: And it was, you know, ready to be done. And
Speaker 3: so I was like, okay, you know, I thought we
Speaker 3: should look great with this wing. I was like, if
Speaker 3: you've tried a wig and she's like, yeah, I tried
Speaker 3: breaks out I like them, And I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 3: I should have liked why would you? So I did
Speaker 3: that thing that had Vessus do where they start like
Speaker 3: they just kind of moved the hair around, just pulling
Speaker 3: it around in different positions, and I remember thinking to myself, fuck.
Speaker 2: Like what am I doing? Like I can't come on
Speaker 2: this far? What am I going to do? Just like
Speaker 2: hip hop now?
Speaker 3: And it was this wonderfuling moment where it was like
Speaker 3: time to stop. It was it was the weirdest things
Speaker 3: that have happened to me. It's the only times have
Speaker 3: happened to me.
Speaker 2: But it was like Kate, who is actually the mother
Speaker 2: of my kids and we're still best friends.
Speaker 3: She spoke to me on the way and I was
Speaker 3: very nervous and she said, Chris, if you don't make
Speaker 3: this work, you're gonna have.
Speaker 2: To come home. That's it, you know, And it was
Speaker 2: like her voice, you know. I was like, if I
Speaker 2: don't make this work on that.
Speaker 3: By that point, it was probably fifteen minutes left, and
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, even try to go
Speaker 3: on my week? So grapp them out the bag and
Speaker 3: put one on and she was like, oh, oh well
Speaker 3: and the style of stops over and she was like,
Speaker 3: well I like it, and she's like, okay, do it.
Speaker 3: So I put this, went on ahead, left the hairline out.
Speaker 3: It was like a Hollywood way off. She went on
Speaker 3: a linstock and I remember sitting there taking looking screen
Speaker 3: hope I seem I it stood and then she came
Speaker 3: off and she stood there and she just looked over
Speaker 3: at me and she went, everyone likes you. We and
Speaker 3: it was in that moment I knew like I'd done it,
Speaker 3: and it was the one defining moment in my whole
Speaker 3: career where I realized, like, if I do me, Because
Speaker 3: I have spent my whole life since the age thirteen,
Speaker 3: I was thirty at that point, learning my craft, I
Speaker 3: knew what would look good.
Speaker 2: I felt really compliment about it, and.
Speaker 3: I was like, well if I don't at least try,
Speaker 3: if I walk away not trying to be me and
Speaker 3: do me, then I'll kick myself forever.
Speaker 2: So I think we all have those moments where we
Speaker 2: doubt ourselves. It doesn't matter how much success or money
Speaker 2: or whatever it is in life you experience. We're all
Speaker 2: human beings and we all feel the fear sometimes and
Speaker 2: sometimes it just takes over and it can be paralyzing.
Speaker 2: And in that moment, it.
Speaker 3: Really wasn't just fucked around with her hair, and she
Speaker 3: would have gone out looking like shit or I do now.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the pros play hurt. Pros play hurt,
Speaker 1: Like that's when when the shit hits the fan. For me,
Speaker 1: I don't hold the steering wheel too tight, but I
Speaker 1: don't let go. You have to just be like move
Speaker 1: right through it. You know. But by the way I've
Speaker 1: been it's weird. I've been thinking about wigs lately. I
Speaker 1: can I do you have wigs? Can I buy a wig?
Speaker 1: Can you suggest a wig that would be good for me,
Speaker 1: like to have fun with, like a Bang's or something
Speaker 1: like a look I would like to have. I would
Speaker 1: like to try a wig. I'm wearing one for Halloween.
Speaker 1: I'll show you that, but like, I would like to
Speaker 1: try when that doesn't have to be like glued on
Speaker 1: and all that crazy stuff, like I hate that anyway.
Speaker 1: That's just a side note. So I love that you're
Speaker 1: still friends with your ex. What was her feeling? Did
Speaker 1: she feel like less than when you were, like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, we've been together nine years and I'm gay,
Speaker 1: or was just it moved through something positive?
Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's an interesting I saw this
Speaker 3: video and I posted it a couple of weeks that
Speaker 3: where I'm on a photo. It's the first fight tissue
Speaker 3: I did, and she was there at the time, and
Speaker 3: I remember I actually made me tearful because I just
Speaker 3: looked so live and free and so happy to be there,
Speaker 3: and it made me really emotional that I ran her
Speaker 3: and I was like she was there and she's something
Speaker 3: about I remember that fact. She remember through like ten
Speaker 3: thousand witches, and it was just incredibly stressful, where I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, she's liked, well, are you emotional?
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know. I just I remember him.
Speaker 3: I remember that, like I was straight, I had two kids.
Speaker 3: I thought I had it all figured out. And she's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it was really hard because I think you
Speaker 3: had to mourn a part of someone that you had
Speaker 3: to let go. That's interesting, honest, it was incredibly support him.
Speaker 3: But at the why I find it and why I
Speaker 3: was told as a kid that gay was wrong and
Speaker 3: like gay man, you know.
Speaker 2: It's not a good thing. It doesn't fit into the box.
Speaker 1: But neither the relationships, which I like even as much
Speaker 1: like that, a relationship doesn't have to be defined in
Speaker 1: only one way, Like you have this like marriage with
Speaker 1: this woman now like your life partners, you have kids together,
Speaker 1: So you have you have two kids in her twenties.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, kids is nineteen, but he's twenty one. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean they're amazing, and my one goal in life
Speaker 3: was always bring them. I think it basically you can
Speaker 3: do as a parent is to give them an experience
Speaker 3: outside of their hometown, like unless the way I grew up.
Speaker 3: You know, people kind of grow up, they get married,
Speaker 3: they have kids, and it's kind of like the formula,
Speaker 3: you know, put them to see the world and see
Speaker 3: what's out there. And they moved to LA two years ago,
Speaker 3: and then I've been having a great time because he's
Speaker 3: doing social media. So now Bill is at college and
Speaker 3: their liveing their best lives. As a dad, I'm so
Speaker 3: proud that I could just give them opportunities and give
Speaker 3: them an overview in life.
Speaker 2: And if they want to go in there.
Speaker 3: And make the most of it, great, and if they
Speaker 3: want to go home, that's also fine too. But I
Speaker 3: just want to give them the opportunity to see the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember as a kid, I was like
Speaker 3: six years old. I remember looking outside the window. It
Speaker 3: was northern England, gray, rainy, cold, and I remember just thinking, like,
Speaker 3: there's God be more to life than this. I was
Speaker 3: one of five kids who as the middle kid. My
Speaker 3: brother's like boy things, my sisters like go so I
Speaker 3: was kind of in the middle. To me hair, even
Speaker 3: being interested in creative stuff, I didn't fit in academically,
Speaker 3: and I always just remember this to finding moment where
Speaker 3: I was like this gotn't be more than this. God
Speaker 3: be like like color, you know. So I think I
Speaker 3: just try and bring that to every more Funny.
Speaker 1: Because my daughter came into my class my room last night,
Speaker 1: and we had this conversation about school and like this
Speaker 1: class that is very challenging and should she take the
Speaker 1: less challenging one, and the school says, but then that
Speaker 1: might mean she wouldn't get into an Ivy League school.
Speaker 1: And we're now thinking about years. She's fourteen years to come.
Speaker 1: And my philosophy is it should you should be experiencing
Speaker 1: some discomfort but not pain like That's what I said
Speaker 1: to her. I said, you have to decide you should
Speaker 1: be experiencing discomfort and not pain. But if you're going
Speaker 1: to be like getting a D in this advanced over
Speaker 1: your SKIS class versus an A and the other one,
Speaker 1: I also want like my thing with her, I said,
Speaker 1: I said to her last night, I said, I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you not to go to college. I would like
Speaker 1: you to go because there are a number of reasons
Speaker 1: and I would like to see what you want to
Speaker 1: do eventually. But I said I didn't need to go
Speaker 1: to college, Like I for what I am doing and
Speaker 1: the amount I went into the classes, it was a
Speaker 1: waste of money and I would try to jam all
Speaker 1: my classes into one day. And the reason I'm telling
Speaker 1: you this is just that, like it's not a one
Speaker 1: size fits all, and I think it's important to like
Speaker 1: speak to them in that way versus just like at
Speaker 1: them about what you think they're supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: And like you're saying, you're teeing up a menu. Here's
Speaker 1: an ALI card, men, you'd pick what you want. We'll
Speaker 1: see you know. I mean, I'm gonna I snap the
Speaker 1: leash if she's getting off course and is disrespectful in
Speaker 1: any way. I'm very strict. She has a very experiential life,
Speaker 1: like I imagine your kids do too. They've seen things
Speaker 1: that other kids haven't. But I'm not like super into spoiling,
Speaker 1: but I agree with that, like it's such a great
Speaker 1: canvas to watch your kids and just give them exposure
Speaker 1: and ultimately let them decide. So I basically told Teeter
Speaker 1: up to decide herself. I was like, here's the menu,
Speaker 1: you can decide if you want to switch those classes.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, yeah, maybe because of this one class,
Speaker 1: you won't be able to go to a school that
Speaker 1: you dream of going to if you care. But also
Speaker 1: she's like, but I do charity. I volunteer on the weekends.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's all gonna matter too. It's just
Speaker 1: like try to explain versus talk at totally.
Speaker 3: And I would say like, unfortunately, like the hardest times
Speaker 3: of my life have been the most defining, and I
Speaker 3: think you just have to experience that. I think hard
Speaker 3: times are good, try things of life, and like a
Speaker 3: lot of people try to avoid them, and I think
Speaker 3: they just avoid it and it will always touch a
Speaker 3: leverly different ways. I generally believe that the best thing
Speaker 3: you can do is just to go right through it
Speaker 3: and come out all the same.
Speaker 2: And that can be painful, but.
Speaker 1: That's how you learn to go through it later. Like
Speaker 1: I thrive a little. That's why I thrive on haters.
Speaker 1: It doesn't it's not that I like haters. I'm not
Speaker 1: a sicko. But like someone comes in with nasty like
Speaker 1: I know either, I'm like, hi, I go, thank you
Speaker 1: for being here and engaging and putting money into my
Speaker 1: bank account by being here, like I could be the
Speaker 1: big It's cunt. That ever walked the earth because I
Speaker 1: I'm like great, like you can't. I'm uninsultable, I'm unembarrassable.
Speaker 1: I don't care. But I think it's because of that essence,
Speaker 1: like I've come from such an abuse life. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: my childhood was psychotic. So it's like, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? You're gonna throw something at me, Like it's okay,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know. So I it's almost like
Speaker 1: a challenge to get something hard, like what do you
Speaker 1: Let's go throw it at me, you know, throw it
Speaker 1: at me. Even I remember going on Shark Tank and
Speaker 1: it was like, well, this is gonna be really challenging
Speaker 1: the producers that these are like real entrepreneurs. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I am too, Like let's go Mark Cuban,
Speaker 1: let's go Kevin o'larry hit me, let's see, you know.
Speaker 1: And they're all people, and I'm as smart as they
Speaker 1: are in certain ways and not in others. Like so
Speaker 1: I'm a very push through and I'm also as a
Speaker 1: parent the Tough Shit program like my I'm like, Brin,
Speaker 1: you're not with that. Life is not being wrapped in
Speaker 1: bubble wrap. Everything's not supposed to work.
Speaker 3: Oh you know, so those hard times make you make
Speaker 3: you who you are, and it makes you it's a
Speaker 3: better person. I won't change any of the hard time
Speaker 3: and I'm actually I'm putting something together now that will
Speaker 3: help people for the future, like you know, be able
Speaker 3: to relate to some of them and cook through the
Speaker 3: other side. Just life's challenging and it's always branch you
Speaker 3: and you know it's it's I just think it's interesting
Speaker 3: for people to share their stories, and it's interesting when
Speaker 3: people think people are successful. How I think it's great
Speaker 3: to be able to use your voice, to be able
Speaker 3: to help other people to like, yeah, that's all finances,
Speaker 3: it's just about we're all fucking surviving it.
Speaker 2: But these are the options.
Speaker 3: These are the these are the challenges I was faced with,
Speaker 3: and these that the you know, these are the choices
Speaker 3: I made, which you know, so.
Speaker 1: You've become a you know, a name on your own,
Speaker 1: not unlike the stars on Dancing with the Stars are
Speaker 1: sometimes more famous than the people that are actually the
Speaker 1: celebrities on there, So you've worked with so many different people.
Speaker 1: Do celebrities sometimes get a little itchy or you know,
Speaker 1: cagey when the hairstyles is becoming as, if not more
Speaker 1: recognizable than them, Like is there an energy I've seen it?
Speaker 1: I just want to know what your opinion is of it.
Speaker 1: In general, I will stay.
Speaker 3: I think like the people I've worked with have been
Speaker 3: incredibly supported, like Kim for example, is you know, incredibly
Speaker 3: supportive me and my career and has been fundamentally part
Speaker 3: of it. And I don't think there's I've never experienced that,
Speaker 3: and I don't I don't think that people that I've
Speaker 3: worked with have been in that way.
Speaker 1: Like all boats rise with the tide, we still work together.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm maybe not available for every
Speaker 3: single thing. When I'm available for the big stuff and
Speaker 3: we make it up. It's it's just a creation, you know.
Speaker 3: It's just I think I'm a great relationship with my clients.
Speaker 3: I friendship.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's so critical, like I see that
Speaker 1: by getting you know, I don't get glam nearly as
Speaker 1: much as many of your clients. But like you know,
Speaker 1: you're sitting there, you're tired, you're in a mood. You
Speaker 1: you know, you're stressed out, there's a lot, you're talking
Speaker 1: to your kids, you're on the business calls. You cannot
Speaker 1: be in glam and not be operating your life and
Speaker 1: your business. It's too much time to not be multitasking.
Speaker 1: So it's such an intimate relationship. But I mean Roblow
Speaker 1: is married to his makeup artist. A many I think
Speaker 1: Patrick Dempsey is too. Like it's very intimate, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's uh and it requires being loyal, and it
Speaker 1: requires being honest, and it's hard to tell an artist
Speaker 1: sometimes when you didn't love something. And for me, like
Speaker 1: after when I go to the event, after I'll text
Speaker 1: and be like, I think that concealer was a little this,
Speaker 1: or I looked at that, and I would because it
Speaker 1: informs the next time, and everybody wants to know, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's you're in a very competitive space because someone
Speaker 1: could have their hair done by someone in a different
Speaker 1: climate at a different time, and like you think it's
Speaker 1: good on that day. Your hair is just good on
Speaker 1: that day, and then you know the other person feels
Speaker 1: bad it didn't looks. I mean, it's a very hard business.
Speaker 1: It's extremely competitive and very personal.
Speaker 3: But I think you have to let go of like
Speaker 3: I think there's an up room for everyone, and I
Speaker 3: generally believe that like your talent or your dedication, whatever
Speaker 3: it is you do can I always tried to think
Speaker 3: about I remember when I was in the sell on,
Speaker 3: if I was charging like one hundred dollars for a
Speaker 3: haircut and the past next to me was I'll be like, well,
Speaker 3: why would that come to me and not the past
Speaker 3: and next to me we both charge the same critch
Speaker 3: going from an appointment free, And I always tried to
Speaker 3: focus on what it is I was offering, like I've
Speaker 3: never been that kind of guy that will sit down
Speaker 3: and be what we're doing today, same as usual, because
Speaker 3: I instantly cut step off like I would always be.
Speaker 2: Like who do you want to be? Like what's your
Speaker 2: ultimate like goal? Like who do you? Who do you admire?
Speaker 2: What hells do you aspire to have?
Speaker 3: And people It's really interesting how people really can form
Speaker 3: to being told what they should do, and that they
Speaker 3: would tell me like, oh, I love this star, but
Speaker 3: I know I can't have that, and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: why who told you?
Speaker 2: And because my hair doesn't do that? If we could
Speaker 2: make it do it.
Speaker 3: You know, we were just talk about opening up the options,
Speaker 3: and you know, I had a really great client base
Speaker 3: in the salon that was really loyal and they spent
Speaker 3: way more money than they had, but they just love
Speaker 3: the experience that people fucking saw them, that someone looked
Speaker 3: at them and could see them and they weren't just
Speaker 3: another person in Yeah, people, that's the key.
Speaker 2: Like when I my clients, like I still do the
Speaker 2: same as what I.
Speaker 3: Did when I did it to my moment nine years old,
Speaker 3: I generally want them to look like that's great. I
Speaker 3: love making people look good, but when you feel good
Speaker 3: is when the whole magic happens. I can make you
Speaker 3: look great and everyone in the room would say, oh
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: I love your hair.
Speaker 3: You are just not on a red cope and you
Speaker 3: just aren't feeling it like it didn't feel good about it.
Speaker 1: I know it's nice. You's just totally we agree to
Speaker 1: agree totally. It's so wait, that's something I just was
Speaker 1: gonna say. Oh. Fun fact, the first time I ever
Speaker 1: had my makeup professionally done like for a photoshoot was
Speaker 1: Mario for the cover of Social Life magazine. And I
Speaker 1: cannot find this image online. I doubt he has it,
Speaker 1: but maybe he does because it was very early in
Speaker 1: his career too. This is pre Kardashian's and it was spectacular,
Speaker 1: like it was unbelievable. But there was something I was
Speaker 1: just gonna tell you that I forgot what the hell
Speaker 1: it was. We were just talking about that, we're talking
Speaker 1: about Yeah, So he was the first person to ever Oh,
Speaker 1: I know what it is. Social media. That's what I
Speaker 1: really wanted to get into because for some reason, this
Speaker 1: era of mine, in this recent accidental influencer era that
Speaker 1: literally came out of nowhere. And the more I admit
Speaker 1: how little I know about any of the shit because
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, the more it is it is awakened.
Speaker 1: But such a responsibility to talk about who did the hair,
Speaker 1: who did the makeup, who designed the costume for Halloween?
Speaker 1: Because I've literally changed people's lives. I've changed businesses like
Speaker 1: small cake makers, little like like biscotee, people in queens
Speaker 1: like I had no idea. I mean, I've sold millions
Speaker 1: of dollars of shit. I've sold hundreds of thousands dollars
Speaker 1: a chicken salad. I mean, it's insane. So the responsibility
Speaker 1: to like really want to help each other and the
Speaker 1: community of social media has been unbelievable. Look, you noticed,
Speaker 1: I would never think that you would have seen or
Speaker 1: noticed some anecdotal thing that I mentioned your name in
Speaker 1: you did said somebody you mentioned you you jumped on
Speaker 1: the demure trend, And I was really referring to that
Speaker 1: influencer who was freaking out that someone had trademarked it.
Speaker 1: And I was giving it like a business twist to
Speaker 1: crystallize it because I have a lot of experience there
Speaker 1: and I mentioned you. I literally today they were like, wait,
Speaker 1: he liked whatever, and I go, I don't see it
Speaker 1: on this page, and they sent me the video. He
Speaker 1: fucking saw that. It's crazy that you saw that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the thing is that's what's so interesting people like,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe stopping in the street and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: yes that I always it makes me stop when I
Speaker 3: have to kind of click into it and oh if
Speaker 3: you can't buy on social media, because you forget these
Speaker 3: real people that are invested in you and in your
Speaker 3: life and they feel like they know you. You know,
Speaker 3: because when you do these videos or when you're putting
Speaker 3: out this content, I don't really think too much about
Speaker 3: it or they just just being me, but you forget
Speaker 3: that people really get invested in that.
Speaker 2: People react to it, and you know.
Speaker 1: I've had a list celebrities teams tell me that their
Speaker 1: person saw this video like and they either loved it
Speaker 1: or hurt their film, Like what like you just yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a massive megaphone. It's much bigger than traditional tepession.
Speaker 3: I was in like just a kid with a dream
Speaker 3: and I lived in less than Northern England and j
Speaker 3: Lo's sent me an email. I mean, that shows you
Speaker 3: the power of social media. Like she was in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: I was in less than Northern England. That doesn't show
Speaker 3: you the power of social media and how it can
Speaker 3: change your whole world. And all I was doing was
Speaker 3: portraying my story, putting my story out there and be
Speaker 3: more related to it, you know. And I've just tried
Speaker 3: to continue that to the point I'm at now. But
Speaker 3: now I'm in a place where I want to help
Speaker 3: more people and made more people feel a part of it.
Speaker 3: And like I said, that's what I'm working on now,
Speaker 3: so people can feel like they can part it and
Speaker 3: you don't have to be, you know, a a less
Speaker 3: celebrity to love them your best, you know everyone well respectfully.
Speaker 1: Celebrity has I mean, Hollywood has transformed into a shell
Speaker 1: of its former self. Celebrity has transformed into a shell
Speaker 1: of its former self. Television, traditional television network television is
Speaker 1: a dinosaur and streamers are on the I mean a
Speaker 1: cable is like just an older person's dinosaur. So people
Speaker 1: will say, like when you come back on TV. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm on TV right now. Just put on your social media.
Speaker 1: This is the fucking show. This is the fucking show.
Speaker 1: I've been offered every single TV show you could imagine
Speaker 1: for all kinds of money. I'm like, i gotta get
Speaker 1: stuck for four months, like glued to what you guys
Speaker 1: want me to do. I'm in my pajamas this morning
Speaker 1: getting a million views on a coffee maker. When the
Speaker 1: lord's work, Chris, You're not the only one who does
Speaker 1: the lord's work. I do the lord's work every day,
Speaker 1: you know, with chicken, salad of coffee and chanel.
Speaker 2: Nobody. It's like it's powerful and people relate to that.
Speaker 2: I think what people love about it is the relatability.
Speaker 2: People love that it's real. People love you know, you're funny.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're entertaining, You're like dancing, you're doing sounds,
Speaker 1: You're you're in the game, you know.
Speaker 3: But like people used to see celebrity, that's like over
Speaker 3: here and you know, real people over here. But I
Speaker 3: think now there's been a transition where people go all right, well,
Speaker 3: I know that's not how real hair, so tell me.
Speaker 2: Before it was like we don't.
Speaker 1: I know, It's what I've been talking and I will.
Speaker 2: Say that's what Kim was amazing at or she crazy
Speaker 2: through skims.
Speaker 3: She was the first lesson that was like in the
Speaker 3: mirror and everyone got what really bits like me stell
Speaker 3: you like like I have, this is what I did,
Speaker 3: And I think people related to that, and that's why
Speaker 3: it's so successful. Like you can't just pump your face
Speaker 3: against a picture of a product and go by this.
Speaker 3: You know, people want to know why how they betweens,
Speaker 3: And that's what I've talked to fit in between of
Speaker 3: Sarah or you don't look like Jay Love, but you
Speaker 3: don't look like the delieper or Kim or whoever is
Speaker 3: that this is how you can break it down to everyone.
Speaker 3: And also the audience now wants that. They're like, tell
Speaker 3: me what's to buy? Tell me how to get this law?
Speaker 3: What do I need? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, no no matter what. Like her work ethic
Speaker 1: is a rage. She's in that closet with all those laws.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's exhausting alone, just every day, and then
Speaker 1: all the other ten thousand things. Yeah, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Pimping ain't easy. And there's an authenticity that traditional celebrity
Speaker 1: is struggling with having in the modern day. So it's
Speaker 1: a very interesting time for places like California and the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry and your business. Wow, what's your birthday? That's
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted. I'm just curious when.
Speaker 2: You're a everyone if I tell you what if, it
Speaker 2: matters to me. But because everyone's always like, well.
Speaker 1: Let me get well, well, I'm going to get yes
Speaker 1: that it's well, no, I don't know. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not a Scorpio, are you?
Speaker 2: No Gemini?
Speaker 1: I would never have guessed it, So then there is
Speaker 1: no beating to anything. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't guessed it. But I'm not great at that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I got some scorpio energy
Speaker 1: from you, but maybe oh really, yeah, just some of
Speaker 1: the things you've said very much aligned with how I feel.
Speaker 1: I could talk you. It's weird. I could talk to
Speaker 1: you for I'm a Scorpio. My birthday is Monday coming
Speaker 1: up Monday, So I want to meet you sometime. I
Speaker 1: think you're so amazing and so interesting and like, what
Speaker 1: a great story.
Speaker 3: I would love to Yeah, I'd love to do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's just it's it's a small world.
Speaker 3: I'm sure perhaps across, but I think, what's so interested
Speaker 3: in anything whatever?
Speaker 2: With these people?
Speaker 3: You know, get obsessed with, you know, people being known
Speaker 3: or fameless or whatever it is. But I feel like
Speaker 3: there's such a disconnect from like the relatability of what
Speaker 3: it feels like for the real person to just look
Speaker 3: and feel the best. So like you can in a
Speaker 3: piece of that, but you can make them laugh, or
Speaker 3: you can tell them a story they can relate to,
Speaker 3: or you know. I just think it's it's powerful to
Speaker 3: be able to make everyone and then looking filled up
Speaker 3: there you like, it's.
Speaker 1: A connection you want to connect.
Speaker 2: It's universal, it has no boundaries like what I do.
Speaker 2: It doesn't.
Speaker 3: It doesn't looking and feeling good. Everyone can relate to
Speaker 3: thatself now and it's very powerful, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people are not seeing a lot of people are not
Speaker 3: seeing it every day, Like they go to work and
Speaker 3: they're not recognized. They're just another person, and I think
Speaker 3: someone when they're actually like seeing like the really blossom.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's so true, and it's myself twenty six, cleaning my life.
Speaker 3: I didn't see myself. I didn't let myself see myself,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't someone said to me, you're allowed to
Speaker 3: see yourself, You're allowed to be that past it.
Speaker 2: And you don't have to feel guilty. My whole fucking life.
Speaker 3: My whole life literally changed, you know, three sixty and
Speaker 3: I never want to be back in those changes.
Speaker 1: Why oh you an apology for like leading with your appearance.
Speaker 1: I just was shocked. I was like, oh wow, I
Speaker 1: know I decided so sorry. It's the least interesting thing
Speaker 1: about you is what you look like, but to start
Speaker 1: it was a little jarring. So it's so great to
Speaker 1: meet you. And if I can ever help you in
Speaker 1: any way whatsoever with your business or whatever you've got
Speaker 1: going on. It sounds like you're doing an amazing job.
Speaker 1: But I'm here and it's I'm so grateful for this conversation.
Speaker 2: Thanks Mader, I appreciate it. Let's get a luxious as
Speaker 2: bad