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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were never married, but we were together for

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Speaker 2: So I think we all have those moments where we

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Speaker 3: and it made me really emotional that I ran her

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Speaker 3: and I was like she was there and she's something

439
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Speaker 3: about I remember that fact. She remember through like ten

440
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Speaker 3: thousand witches, and it was just incredibly stressful, where I

441
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,560
Speaker 3: was like, you know, she's liked, well, are you emotional?

442
00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know. I just I remember him.

443
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,640
Speaker 3: I remember that, like I was straight, I had two kids.

444
00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,199
Speaker 3: I thought I had it all figured out. And she's like,

445
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Speaker 3: you know, it was really hard because I think you

446
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,119
Speaker 3: had to mourn a part of someone that you had

447
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,280
Speaker 3: to let go. That's interesting, honest, it was incredibly support him.

448
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Speaker 3: But at the why I find it and why I

449
00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,520
Speaker 3: was told as a kid that gay was wrong and

450
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Speaker 3: like gay man, you know.

451
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Speaker 2: It's not a good thing. It doesn't fit into the box.

452
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Speaker 1: But neither the relationships, which I like even as much

453
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Speaker 1: like that, a relationship doesn't have to be defined in

454
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Speaker 1: only one way, Like you have this like marriage with

455
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Speaker 1: this woman now like your life partners, you have kids together,

456
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Speaker 1: So you have you have two kids in her twenties.

457
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, kids is nineteen, but he's twenty one. And yeah,

458
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Speaker 3: I mean they're amazing, and my one goal in life

459
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Speaker 3: was always bring them. I think it basically you can

460
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Speaker 3: do as a parent is to give them an experience

461
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 3: outside of their hometown, like unless the way I grew up.

462
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Speaker 3: You know, people kind of grow up, they get married,

463
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Speaker 3: they have kids, and it's kind of like the formula,

464
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Speaker 3: you know, put them to see the world and see

465
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Speaker 3: what's out there. And they moved to LA two years ago,

466
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Speaker 3: and then I've been having a great time because he's

467
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Speaker 3: doing social media. So now Bill is at college and

468
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: their liveing their best lives. As a dad, I'm so

469
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Speaker 3: proud that I could just give them opportunities and give

470
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Speaker 3: them an overview in life.

471
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Speaker 2: And if they want to go in there.

472
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Speaker 3: And make the most of it, great, and if they

473
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Speaker 3: want to go home, that's also fine too. But I

474
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Speaker 3: just want to give them the opportunity to see the world.

475
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Speaker 3: I mean, I remember as a kid, I was like

476
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Speaker 3: six years old. I remember looking outside the window. It

477
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Speaker 3: was northern England, gray, rainy, cold, and I remember just thinking, like,

478
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Speaker 3: there's God be more to life than this. I was

479
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Speaker 3: one of five kids who as the middle kid. My

480
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Speaker 3: brother's like boy things, my sisters like go so I

481
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 3: was kind of in the middle. To me hair, even

482
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Speaker 3: being interested in creative stuff, I didn't fit in academically,

483
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Speaker 3: and I always just remember this to finding moment where

484
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Speaker 3: I was like this gotn't be more than this. God

485
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Speaker 3: be like like color, you know. So I think I

486
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Speaker 3: just try and bring that to every more Funny.

487
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Speaker 1: Because my daughter came into my class my room last night,

488
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Speaker 1: and we had this conversation about school and like this

489
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Speaker 1: class that is very challenging and should she take the

490
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Speaker 1: less challenging one, and the school says, but then that

491
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Speaker 1: might mean she wouldn't get into an Ivy League school.

492
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Speaker 1: And we're now thinking about years. She's fourteen years to come.

493
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Speaker 1: And my philosophy is it should you should be experiencing

494
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Speaker 1: some discomfort but not pain like That's what I said

495
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Speaker 1: to her. I said, you have to decide you should

496
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Speaker 1: be experiencing discomfort and not pain. But if you're going

497
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Speaker 1: to be like getting a D in this advanced over

498
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Speaker 1: your SKIS class versus an A and the other one,

499
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Speaker 1: I also want like my thing with her, I said,

500
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Speaker 1: I said to her last night, I said, I'm not

501
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Speaker 1: telling you not to go to college. I would like

502
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Speaker 1: you to go because there are a number of reasons

503
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Speaker 1: and I would like to see what you want to

504
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Speaker 1: do eventually. But I said I didn't need to go

505
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Speaker 1: to college, Like I for what I am doing and

506
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Speaker 1: the amount I went into the classes, it was a

507
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Speaker 1: waste of money and I would try to jam all

508
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Speaker 1: my classes into one day. And the reason I'm telling

509
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Speaker 1: you this is just that, like it's not a one

510
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,639
Speaker 1: size fits all, and I think it's important to like

511
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Speaker 1: speak to them in that way versus just like at

512
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Speaker 1: them about what you think they're supposed to be doing.

513
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Speaker 1: And like you're saying, you're teeing up a menu. Here's

514
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Speaker 1: an ALI card, men, you'd pick what you want. We'll

515
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Speaker 1: see you know. I mean, I'm gonna I snap the

516
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Speaker 1: leash if she's getting off course and is disrespectful in

517
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Speaker 1: any way. I'm very strict. She has a very experiential life,

518
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Speaker 1: like I imagine your kids do too. They've seen things

519
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Speaker 1: that other kids haven't. But I'm not like super into spoiling,

520
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Speaker 1: but I agree with that, like it's such a great

521
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Speaker 1: canvas to watch your kids and just give them exposure

522
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Speaker 1: and ultimately let them decide. So I basically told Teeter

523
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Speaker 1: up to decide herself. I was like, here's the menu,

524
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Speaker 1: you can decide if you want to switch those classes.

525
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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, yeah, maybe because of this one class,

526
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Speaker 1: you won't be able to go to a school that

527
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Speaker 1: you dream of going to if you care. But also

528
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 1: she's like, but I do charity. I volunteer on the weekends.

529
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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's all gonna matter too. It's just

530
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Speaker 1: like try to explain versus talk at totally.

531
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Speaker 3: And I would say like, unfortunately, like the hardest times

532
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Speaker 3: of my life have been the most defining, and I

533
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Speaker 3: think you just have to experience that. I think hard

534
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Speaker 3: times are good, try things of life, and like a

535
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Speaker 3: lot of people try to avoid them, and I think

536
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Speaker 3: they just avoid it and it will always touch a

537
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: leverly different ways. I generally believe that the best thing

538
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 3: you can do is just to go right through it

539
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Speaker 3: and come out all the same.

540
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Speaker 2: And that can be painful, but.

541
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Speaker 1: That's how you learn to go through it later. Like

542
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Speaker 1: I thrive a little. That's why I thrive on haters.

543
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Speaker 1: It doesn't it's not that I like haters. I'm not

544
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Speaker 1: a sicko. But like someone comes in with nasty like

545
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Speaker 1: I know either, I'm like, hi, I go, thank you

546
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Speaker 1: for being here and engaging and putting money into my

547
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: bank account by being here, like I could be the

548
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Speaker 1: big It's cunt. That ever walked the earth because I

549
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm like great, like you can't. I'm uninsultable, I'm unembarrassable.

550
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't care. But I think it's because of that essence,

551
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: like I've come from such an abuse life. Oh my god,

552
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: my childhood was psychotic. So it's like, what are you

553
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna do? You're gonna throw something at me, Like it's okay,

554
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know. So I it's almost like

555
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: a challenge to get something hard, like what do you

556
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: Let's go throw it at me, you know, throw it

557
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: at me. Even I remember going on Shark Tank and

558
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: it was like, well, this is gonna be really challenging

559
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: the producers that these are like real entrepreneurs. I'm like, okay,

560
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 1: I think I am too, Like let's go Mark Cuban,

561
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: let's go Kevin o'larry hit me, let's see, you know.

562
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: And they're all people, and I'm as smart as they

563
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: are in certain ways and not in others. Like so

564
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Speaker 1: I'm a very push through and I'm also as a

565
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Speaker 1: parent the Tough Shit program like my I'm like, Brin,

566
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: you're not with that. Life is not being wrapped in

567
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: bubble wrap. Everything's not supposed to work.

568
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Speaker 3: Oh you know, so those hard times make you make

569
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,239
Speaker 3: you who you are, and it makes you it's a

570
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: better person. I won't change any of the hard time

571
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: and I'm actually I'm putting something together now that will

572
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: help people for the future, like you know, be able

573
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Speaker 3: to relate to some of them and cook through the

574
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Speaker 3: other side. Just life's challenging and it's always branch you

575
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 3: and you know it's it's I just think it's interesting

576
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: for people to share their stories, and it's interesting when

577
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 3: people think people are successful. How I think it's great

578
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: to be able to use your voice, to be able

579
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Speaker 3: to help other people to like, yeah, that's all finances,

580
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: it's just about we're all fucking surviving it.

581
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: But these are the options.

582
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: These are the these are the challenges I was faced with,

583
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 3: and these that the you know, these are the choices

584
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 3: I made, which you know, so.

585
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Speaker 1: You've become a you know, a name on your own,

586
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Speaker 1: not unlike the stars on Dancing with the Stars are

587
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: sometimes more famous than the people that are actually the

588
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: celebrities on there, So you've worked with so many different people.

589
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: Do celebrities sometimes get a little itchy or you know,

590
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: cagey when the hairstyles is becoming as, if not more

591
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: recognizable than them, Like is there an energy I've seen it?

592
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: I just want to know what your opinion is of it.

593
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: In general, I will stay.

594
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Speaker 3: I think like the people I've worked with have been

595
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 3: incredibly supported, like Kim for example, is you know, incredibly

596
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: supportive me and my career and has been fundamentally part

597
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: of it. And I don't think there's I've never experienced that,

598
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Speaker 3: and I don't I don't think that people that I've

599
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Speaker 3: worked with have been in that way.

600
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Speaker 1: Like all boats rise with the tide, we still work together.

601
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm maybe not available for every

602
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: single thing. When I'm available for the big stuff and

603
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 3: we make it up. It's it's just a creation, you know.

604
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Speaker 3: It's just I think I'm a great relationship with my clients.

605
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: I friendship.

606
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Speaker 1: By the way, it's so critical, like I see that

607
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: by getting you know, I don't get glam nearly as

608
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: much as many of your clients. But like you know,

609
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 1: you're sitting there, you're tired, you're in a mood. You

610
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: you know, you're stressed out, there's a lot, you're talking

611
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: to your kids, you're on the business calls. You cannot

612
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: be in glam and not be operating your life and

613
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: your business. It's too much time to not be multitasking.

614
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: So it's such an intimate relationship. But I mean Roblow

615
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: is married to his makeup artist. A many I think

616
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: Patrick Dempsey is too. Like it's very intimate, you know,

617
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: and it's uh and it requires being loyal, and it

618
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: requires being honest, and it's hard to tell an artist

619
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: sometimes when you didn't love something. And for me, like

620
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: after when I go to the event, after I'll text

621
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: and be like, I think that concealer was a little this,

622
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: or I looked at that, and I would because it

623
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: informs the next time, and everybody wants to know, you know,

624
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: and it's you're in a very competitive space because someone

625
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: could have their hair done by someone in a different

626
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: climate at a different time, and like you think it's

627
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: good on that day. Your hair is just good on

628
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: that day, and then you know the other person feels

629
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: bad it didn't looks. I mean, it's a very hard business.

630
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: It's extremely competitive and very personal.

631
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: But I think you have to let go of like

632
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 3: I think there's an up room for everyone, and I

633
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: generally believe that like your talent or your dedication, whatever

634
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: it is you do can I always tried to think

635
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 3: about I remember when I was in the sell on,

636
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: if I was charging like one hundred dollars for a

637
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 3: haircut and the past next to me was I'll be like, well,

638
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: why would that come to me and not the past

639
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: and next to me we both charge the same critch

640
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: going from an appointment free, And I always tried to

641
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: focus on what it is I was offering, like I've

642
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: never been that kind of guy that will sit down

643
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: and be what we're doing today, same as usual, because

644
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: I instantly cut step off like I would always be.

645
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: Like who do you want to be? Like what's your

646
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: ultimate like goal? Like who do you? Who do you admire?

647
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: What hells do you aspire to have?

648
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: And people It's really interesting how people really can form

649
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: to being told what they should do, and that they

650
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 3: would tell me like, oh, I love this star, but

651
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Speaker 3: I know I can't have that, and I'd be like,

652
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: why who told you?

653
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: And because my hair doesn't do that? If we could

654
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: make it do it.

655
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: You know, we were just talk about opening up the options,

656
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: and you know, I had a really great client base

657
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: in the salon that was really loyal and they spent

658
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 3: way more money than they had, but they just love

659
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 3: the experience that people fucking saw them, that someone looked

660
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: at them and could see them and they weren't just

661
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: another person in Yeah, people, that's the key.

662
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: Like when I my clients, like I still do the

663
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: same as what I.

664
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Speaker 3: Did when I did it to my moment nine years old,

665
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: I generally want them to look like that's great. I

666
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 3: love making people look good, but when you feel good

667
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: is when the whole magic happens. I can make you

668
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: look great and everyone in the room would say, oh

669
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: my god.

670
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: I love your hair.

671
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: You are just not on a red cope and you

672
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: just aren't feeling it like it didn't feel good about it.

673
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I know it's nice. You's just totally we agree to

674
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: agree totally. It's so wait, that's something I just was

675
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: gonna say. Oh. Fun fact, the first time I ever

676
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: had my makeup professionally done like for a photoshoot was

677
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: Mario for the cover of Social Life magazine. And I

678
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: cannot find this image online. I doubt he has it,

679
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: but maybe he does because it was very early in

680
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: his career too. This is pre Kardashian's and it was spectacular,

681
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: like it was unbelievable. But there was something I was

682
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: just gonna tell you that I forgot what the hell

683
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: it was. We were just talking about that, we're talking

684
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: about Yeah, So he was the first person to ever Oh,

685
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: I know what it is. Social media. That's what I

686
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: really wanted to get into because for some reason, this

687
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: era of mine, in this recent accidental influencer era that

688
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: literally came out of nowhere. And the more I admit

689
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: how little I know about any of the shit because

690
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, the more it is it is awakened.

691
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: But such a responsibility to talk about who did the hair,

692
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: who did the makeup, who designed the costume for Halloween?

693
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: Because I've literally changed people's lives. I've changed businesses like

694
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: small cake makers, little like like biscotee, people in queens

695
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: like I had no idea. I mean, I've sold millions

696
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: of dollars of shit. I've sold hundreds of thousands dollars

697
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: a chicken salad. I mean, it's insane. So the responsibility

698
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: to like really want to help each other and the

699
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: community of social media has been unbelievable. Look, you noticed,

700
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: I would never think that you would have seen or

701
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: noticed some anecdotal thing that I mentioned your name in

702
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: you did said somebody you mentioned you you jumped on

703
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: the demure trend, And I was really referring to that

704
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: influencer who was freaking out that someone had trademarked it.

705
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: And I was giving it like a business twist to

706
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: crystallize it because I have a lot of experience there

707
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: and I mentioned you. I literally today they were like, wait,

708
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: he liked whatever, and I go, I don't see it

709
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: on this page, and they sent me the video. He

710
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: fucking saw that. It's crazy that you saw that. Yeah.

711
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: And the thing is that's what's so interesting people like,

712
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: you know, maybe stopping in the street and they'll be like, oh,

713
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: yes that I always it makes me stop when I

714
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: have to kind of click into it and oh if

715
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 3: you can't buy on social media, because you forget these

716
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: real people that are invested in you and in your

717
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: life and they feel like they know you. You know,

718
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: because when you do these videos or when you're putting

719
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: out this content, I don't really think too much about

720
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: it or they just just being me, but you forget

721
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: that people really get invested in that.

722
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: People react to it, and you know.

723
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: I've had a list celebrities teams tell me that their

724
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: person saw this video like and they either loved it

725
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: or hurt their film, Like what like you just yeah,

726
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: it's a massive megaphone. It's much bigger than traditional tepession.

727
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: I was in like just a kid with a dream

728
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: and I lived in less than Northern England and j

729
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: Lo's sent me an email. I mean, that shows you

730
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: the power of social media. Like she was in Hollywood,

731
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: I was in less than Northern England. That doesn't show

732
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: you the power of social media and how it can

733
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 3: change your whole world. And all I was doing was

734
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: portraying my story, putting my story out there and be

735
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: more related to it, you know. And I've just tried

736
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: to continue that to the point I'm at now. But

737
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: now I'm in a place where I want to help

738
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: more people and made more people feel a part of it.

739
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 3: And like I said, that's what I'm working on now,

740
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: so people can feel like they can part it and

741
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: you don't have to be, you know, a a less

742
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 3: celebrity to love them your best, you know everyone well respectfully.

743
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Celebrity has I mean, Hollywood has transformed into a shell

744
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: of its former self. Celebrity has transformed into a shell

745
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: of its former self. Television, traditional television network television is

746
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: a dinosaur and streamers are on the I mean a

747
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: cable is like just an older person's dinosaur. So people

748
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: will say, like when you come back on TV. I'm like,

749
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm on TV right now. Just put on your social media.

750
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: This is the fucking show. This is the fucking show.

751
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: I've been offered every single TV show you could imagine

752
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: for all kinds of money. I'm like, i gotta get

753
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: stuck for four months, like glued to what you guys

754
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: want me to do. I'm in my pajamas this morning

755
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: getting a million views on a coffee maker. When the

756
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 1: lord's work, Chris, You're not the only one who does

757
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: the lord's work. I do the lord's work every day,

758
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: you know, with chicken, salad of coffee and chanel.

759
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: Nobody. It's like it's powerful and people relate to that.

760
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: I think what people love about it is the relatability.

761
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: People love that it's real. People love you know, you're funny.

762
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you're entertaining, You're like dancing, you're doing sounds,

763
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: You're you're in the game, you know.

764
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 3: But like people used to see celebrity, that's like over

765
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: here and you know, real people over here. But I

766
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: think now there's been a transition where people go all right, well,

767
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: I know that's not how real hair, so tell me.

768
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 2: Before it was like we don't.

769
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: I know, It's what I've been talking and I will.

770
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: Say that's what Kim was amazing at or she crazy

771
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: through skims.

772
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: She was the first lesson that was like in the

773
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: mirror and everyone got what really bits like me stell

774
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: you like like I have, this is what I did,

775
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: And I think people related to that, and that's why

776
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: it's so successful. Like you can't just pump your face

777
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: against a picture of a product and go by this.

778
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: You know, people want to know why how they betweens,

779
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: And that's what I've talked to fit in between of

780
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: Sarah or you don't look like Jay Love, but you

781
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: don't look like the delieper or Kim or whoever is

782
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: that this is how you can break it down to everyone.

783
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: And also the audience now wants that. They're like, tell

784
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: me what's to buy? Tell me how to get this law?

785
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: What do I need? You know?

786
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, no no matter what. Like her work ethic

787
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: is a rage. She's in that closet with all those laws.

788
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: I mean, that's exhausting alone, just every day, and then

789
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 1: all the other ten thousand things. Yeah, no, one hundred percent.

790
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: Pimping ain't easy. And there's an authenticity that traditional celebrity

791
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: is struggling with having in the modern day. So it's

792
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: a very interesting time for places like California and the

793
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: entertainment industry and your business. Wow, what's your birthday? That's

794
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: the last thing I wanted. I'm just curious when.

795
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: You're a everyone if I tell you what if, it

796
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: matters to me. But because everyone's always like, well.

797
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: Let me get well, well, I'm going to get yes

798
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: that it's well, no, I don't know. I mean, you're

799
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: not a Scorpio, are you?

800
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: No Gemini?

801
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: I would never have guessed it, So then there is

802
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: no beating to anything. Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it.

803
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't guessed it. But I'm not great at that.

804
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I got some scorpio energy

805
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: from you, but maybe oh really, yeah, just some of

806
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: the things you've said very much aligned with how I feel.

807
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: I could talk you. It's weird. I could talk to

808
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: you for I'm a Scorpio. My birthday is Monday coming

809
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: up Monday, So I want to meet you sometime. I

810
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: think you're so amazing and so interesting and like, what

811
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 1: a great story.

812
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: I would love to Yeah, I'd love to do that.

813
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's just it's it's a small world.

814
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 3: I'm sure perhaps across, but I think, what's so interested

815
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: in anything whatever?

816
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 2: With these people?

817
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: You know, get obsessed with, you know, people being known

818
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: or fameless or whatever it is. But I feel like

819
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: there's such a disconnect from like the relatability of what

820
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 3: it feels like for the real person to just look

821
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: and feel the best. So like you can in a

822
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: piece of that, but you can make them laugh, or

823
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 3: you can tell them a story they can relate to,

824
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: or you know. I just think it's it's powerful to

825
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: be able to make everyone and then looking filled up

826
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 3: there you like, it's.

827
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: A connection you want to connect.

828
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: It's universal, it has no boundaries like what I do.

829
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

830
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't looking and feeling good. Everyone can relate to

831
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: thatself now and it's very powerful, and a lot of

832
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: people are not seeing a lot of people are not

833
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: seeing it every day, Like they go to work and

834
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: they're not recognized. They're just another person, and I think

835
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 3: someone when they're actually like seeing like the really blossom.

836
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: You know.

837
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: It's so true, and it's myself twenty six, cleaning my life.

838
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: I didn't see myself. I didn't let myself see myself,

839
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: and it wasn't someone said to me, you're allowed to

840
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: see yourself, You're allowed to be that past it.

841
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: And you don't have to feel guilty. My whole fucking life.

842
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: My whole life literally changed, you know, three sixty and

843
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: I never want to be back in those changes.

844
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: Why oh you an apology for like leading with your appearance.

845
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: I just was shocked. I was like, oh wow, I

846
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: know I decided so sorry. It's the least interesting thing

847
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: about you is what you look like, but to start

848
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: it was a little jarring. So it's so great to

849
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: meet you. And if I can ever help you in

850
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: any way whatsoever with your business or whatever you've got

851
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: going on. It sounds like you're doing an amazing job.

852
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: But I'm here and it's I'm so grateful for this conversation.

853
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: Thanks Mader, I appreciate it. Let's get a luxious as

854
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: bad