WEBVTT - Bonus: The Crypto Story by Matt Levine - Part 4

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<v Speaker 1>This is Bloomberg Crypto, a daily Bloomberg I Heard podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Stacy Marie Ishmael, Managing editor of Crypto for

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<v Speaker 1>Bloomberg News. Let me cut to the chase. Matt Levine,

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<v Speaker 1>my colleague on the Bloomberg Opinion side of the house,

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<v Speaker 1>is perhaps the greatest finance blogger ever to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and in what is both a flex and a service,

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<v Speaker 1>He's just written tens of thousands of words on the

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<v Speaker 1>subject of crypto for a special issue of Bloomberg Business Week.

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<v Speaker 1>Matt's gone deep into the blockchain to break down its origins,

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible, futures, and the current state of a technology

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<v Speaker 1>that's showing up everywhere in industries ranging from finance to

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<v Speaker 1>shipping too, of course video games. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be bringing his exploration to you in audio form thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to the talents of Bloomberg editor and professional voice actor

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Ledoff. You'll get weekly chapters of the special Crypto

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<v Speaker 1>issue of Bloomberg Business Week. Welcome to the fourth chapter

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<v Speaker 1>of the special audio edition of the Bloomberg Business Week

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<v Speaker 1>Crypto issue, written by Matt Levine and narrated by Mark Leedoff.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find previous episodes right here in the Bloomberg

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<v Speaker 1>Crypto podcast Feed five an I c O. Here's another

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<v Speaker 1>important difference between Ethereum and bitcoin. Bitcoin never raised money,

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<v Speaker 1>Ethereum did. You can think of Bitcoin as more or

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<v Speaker 1>less the open source passion product of one anonymous guy

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<v Speaker 1>who really likes cryptography. The cost of building the basic

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<v Speaker 1>system of bitcoin was Satoshi's time, which he donated. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he mined the first bitcoins and got super rich, probably,

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<v Speaker 1>but that came later. Ethereum was a bit more complicated

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<v Speaker 1>to build. Vitalic bou Terran is the intellectual leader of Ethereum,

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<v Speaker 1>but there were a bunch of co founders, there were

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<v Speaker 1>legal entities, there were programmers. They spent a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time on it. They had to pay for food deliveries.

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<v Speaker 1>You could imagine Vitalic saying, okay, we are a company.

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<v Speaker 1>We're Ethereum Inc. We're going to start the ethereum blockchain

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<v Speaker 1>and make money from it, and we'll sell shares in

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<v Speaker 1>ethereum Ink to raise the money to build the blockchain.

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<v Speaker 1>Sell ethereum ink for cash, get the cash, build the blockchain,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know, collect royalties. Ethereum ink collects point

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<v Speaker 1>zero one percent of every Ethereum transaction forever. Ethereum was

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<v Speaker 1>a well known and much hyped project even before it launched,

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<v Speaker 1>and they could easily have found investors. They didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>that for philosophical and economic reasons. They wanted a decentralized

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<v Speaker 1>blockchain ecosystem, and having it owned by a corporation would

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<v Speaker 1>defeat the purpose. There is an Ethereum Foundation which works

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<v Speaker 1>on Ethereum development and has a certain amount of moral authority,

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<v Speaker 1>but it has no control over the blockchain itself, so

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't sell shares. They sold tokens. In July, they

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<v Speaker 1>sold ether at the price of one thousand to two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand ether per BTC, a mechanism intended to fund the

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<v Speaker 1>Ethereum organization and pay for development. In all, they sold

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<v Speaker 1>about sixty million Ether for about eighteen point three million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>all before the technology itself went live. Ethereum's Genesis block

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<v Speaker 1>was mined in July. Today, there is a total of

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<v Speaker 1>about one twenty two million ether outstanding. Some of that,

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<v Speaker 1>like bitcoin, comes from mining or now validating, but almost

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<v Speaker 1>half of it was purchased before Ethereum was launched by

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<v Speaker 1>people who wanted to bet on its success. Camilla Russo,

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<v Speaker 1>in her book about Ethereum, wrote, a whole new financing

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<v Speaker 1>model had been tested, one where a ragtag group of

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<v Speaker 1>feuding hackers with no business plan and no live product,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone users or revenue, could raise millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from thousands of people from all over the world. Before

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who wanted to buy stock in big tech firms

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<v Speaker 1>like Facebook or Google would need a US bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>Things got even more complicated for those who wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>invest in startups that hadn't gone to the public markets

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<v Speaker 1>to raise funds. Now anyone could be an investor in

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most cutting edge technology companies out there.

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<v Speaker 1>All they needed was an Internet connection and at least

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<v Speaker 1>point zero one bitcoin. It worked out well for those investors.

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<v Speaker 1>That sixty million ether is worth billions of dollars today,

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<v Speaker 1>But as a whole new financing model it's a mixed bag.

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<v Speaker 1>Many people, particularly securities regulators, think it's good that startups

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<v Speaker 1>usually can't raise money from the general public without at

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<v Speaker 1>least a business a plan, and there's a sense in

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<v Speaker 1>which this sale, the ether pre mine or initial coin

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<v Speaker 1>offering i c O, was the original sin of crypto

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<v Speaker 1>as a financing tool. A lot of other crypto teams

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<v Speaker 1>copied Ethereum's approach, riding up vague plans to build some

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<v Speaker 1>project and then raising money by pre selling tokens that

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<v Speaker 1>would be useful if the project ever happened. The analogy

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<v Speaker 1>I've tweeted is that I c o s are like

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<v Speaker 1>if the Wright brothers sold air miles to finance inventing

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<v Speaker 1>the airplane. Not everyone got around to inventing the airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a seventeen I c O boom in which

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of projects raised a lot of money by

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<v Speaker 1>selling tokens that never turned out to be useful. When

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<v Speaker 1>rag tag groups of hackers with no business plan can

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<v Speaker 1>raise millions of dollars from anyone with an Internet connection,

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<v Speaker 1>they all will. The odds that any particular one of

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<v Speaker 1>those non business plans will ever succeed are low. The

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<v Speaker 1>odds that any particular one will be a scam are high.

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<v Speaker 1>Six other chains one layers tried lemmas. The basic ideas

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<v Speaker 1>of Ethereum, a distributed computer, smart contracts, depps, new tokens,

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<v Speaker 1>etcetera caught on broadly within crypto. Ether is now the

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<v Speaker 1>second biggest cryptocurrency, well behind Bitcoin, well ahead of everything else,

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<v Speaker 1>but it has a lot of competition. If you're building

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<v Speaker 1>smart contracts, there are a lot of other blockchains where

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<v Speaker 1>you can run them, including B and B chain, so Lana, Avalanche, Cardano, Tesos,

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<v Speaker 1>Polka Dot, algorand tron and Tara two point oh, Tara

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<v Speaker 1>one point oh blew itself up oops. These platforms, like

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin and Ethereum are called layer one block chains, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>they're entirely separate from one another. Each layer one blockchain

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<v Speaker 1>maintains its own ledger. They compete with one another much

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<v Speaker 1>like other tech platforms do, arguing that they offer better performance,

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<v Speaker 1>a better environment for developers, a different programming style, better tools.

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<v Speaker 1>A famous problem in crypto is the blockchain tri lemma.

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<v Speaker 1>Blockchains can be scalable, they can process a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>transactions quickly, decentralized, they don't depend on a few trusted parties,

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<v Speaker 1>and secure. A minority of computers on the network can't

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<v Speaker 1>successfully attack it, But, says the tri lemma, you can

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<v Speaker 1>only choose two of those three. Bitcoin and Ethereum chose

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<v Speaker 1>decentralization and security, which makes them fairly slow computers. Other

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<v Speaker 1>blockchains are faster, but more centralized. If your consensus mechanism

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<v Speaker 1>is we trust six computers to verify all transactions. That's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be faster than Bitcoin's proof of work algorithm.

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<v Speaker 1>But if someone hacks those six computers, look out. People

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<v Speaker 1>on the decentralized and secure blockchains spend a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>time thinking about scaling. Often this involves so called layer

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<v Speaker 1>two systems, which are built on top of layer one technology,

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<v Speaker 1>such as Bitcoin and Ethereum. For instance, Bitcoin has the

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<v Speaker 1>Lightning Network, a layer two payment system that basically lets

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<v Speaker 1>people on the Bitcoin blockchain set up payments to each

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<v Speaker 1>other without running all of them through the blockchain. This

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<v Speaker 1>makes the payments faster and cheaper, and they periodically settle

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<v Speaker 1>on the blockchain for security. Much of the thought in

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<v Speaker 1>Ethereum these days is about how to scale it so

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<v Speaker 1>that it can execute large numbers of transactions quickly and cheaply,

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<v Speaker 1>a prerequisite for building a universal world computer, or frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>even a payment system that can compete with credit cards.

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<v Speaker 1>Much of the action here is about layer two systems

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<v Speaker 1>that specialize in doing some sorts of transactions off the

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<v Speaker 1>main Ethereum blockchain, where space is somewhat scarce and expensive,

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<v Speaker 1>and then saving the results to that blockchain, where transactions

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<v Speaker 1>are secure and immutable. A lot of the interesting cryptography

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<v Speaker 1>in crypto is found here. People love talking about zero

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge proofs in this context because in some broad sense

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<v Speaker 1>there are problems of data compression. You want to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to do a lot of transactions on a layer

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<v Speaker 1>two and then write down those transactions in an abridged

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<v Speaker 1>way on the Ethereum blockchain, while still being confident that

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<v Speaker 1>the secure and immutable Ethereum blockchain keeps track of all

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<v Speaker 1>of them two bridges wrapping. Some people in crypto are

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<v Speaker 1>faithful to a single blockchain. They are Bitcoin maximalists or

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<v Speaker 1>Ethereum or Avalanche or so Lana loyalists. Many people are

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<v Speaker 1>generalist dabblers, though they like buying lots of tokens on

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<v Speaker 1>lots of blockchains because they see merit in many blockchain platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>or because they like it when lines go up. One

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<v Speaker 1>result of this is that sometimes you will want to

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<v Speaker 1>own the token of one blockchain on another blockchain. This

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<v Speaker 1>comes up a lot in decentralized finance, or defy the

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<v Speaker 1>system of crypto exchanges and financial products that live on blockchains.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're writing smart contracts to trade tokens on the blockchain,

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<v Speaker 1>those smart contracts. Computer programs will have to run on

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<v Speaker 1>one particular blockchain, but you might not want to limit

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<v Speaker 1>yourself to the tokens of that blockchain. You are, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>building an exchange. You might want to write programs on

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<v Speaker 1>the Ethereum blockchain that trade bitcoin, or write programs on

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<v Speaker 1>Slana that trade ether. Say you want to write a

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<v Speaker 1>smart contract on Solana to swap some ether for soul,

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<v Speaker 1>the Salana token. How do you do that? You don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Your ether lives on the Ethereum blockchain. You have Ether

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<v Speaker 1>is a fact about the ledger on that blockchain. The

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<v Speaker 1>Salana blockchain has no record of that, nor does Ethereum

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<v Speaker 1>have any record of Salana tokens. It's all incompatible, separate systems.

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<v Speaker 1>It's separate banks and property registers and d m vs

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<v Speaker 1>all over again. That's an annoying answer and can't really

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<v Speaker 1>be right. So there are workarounds. The principal one is

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<v Speaker 1>called a bridge. A bridge is generally a smart contract

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<v Speaker 1>on one blockchain, a smart contract on another blockchain, and

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of trusted computer program that sits between them

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<v Speaker 1>and passes messages. If you want to swap some ether

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<v Speaker 1>for soul, you find a bridge. You send your ether

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<v Speaker 1>to the bridge's smart contract and Ethereum, which locks it up.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the Ethereum blockchain is concerned, your ether

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<v Speaker 1>belongs to the bridge. Now. The bridges off chain computer

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<v Speaker 1>program sees this and alerts its Salana smart contract, which

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<v Speaker 1>gives you the equivalent of the ether on the Salana blockchain.

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<v Speaker 1>The equivalent of the ether could, I suppose, be some

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<v Speaker 1>amount of soul at whatever the current ether soul exchange

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<v Speaker 1>rate is. The bridge could also be in exchange, but

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<v Speaker 1>the normal approach is to take ether on Ethereum and

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<v Speaker 1>give you back wrapped ether sometimes w E on Salana.

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<v Speaker 1>Wrapped ether is a token issued by the bridge's smart

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<v Speaker 1>contract on the Salona blockchain, representing a claim on the

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<v Speaker 1>bridges ether on the Ethereum blockchain. It is, as it were,

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<v Speaker 1>ether on the Salona network. Bridges are notorious sites of

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<v Speaker 1>risk in crypto. A big bridge contract will have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of crypto locked up in it, will need to

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<v Speaker 1>regularly send and receive crypto from strangers, and will have

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<v Speaker 1>to interoperate between different environments. If you can find a

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<v Speaker 1>bug in a bridge, you can make a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>People do that pretty regularly. An actual big Salona Ethereum

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge is called wormhole. It was hacked this year for

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<v Speaker 1>about three and twenty million dollars of w E see

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<v Speaker 1>a slow database. Here's a slightly different generalization of bitcoin. One. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>you've built a distributed database. Two. This database has some

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating properties. It's distributed, decentralized, secure, trust less, and permissionless. Three.

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<v Speaker 1>Your database happens to track the ownership of electronic coins.

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<v Speaker 1>Four What if we built a database like that to

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<v Speaker 1>track the ownership of other things? One Map and territory.

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<v Speaker 1>Modern life consists in large part of entries in databases,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and then I listed a few, starting with money.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a reason I started with money, and why Satoshi

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<v Speaker 1>did too. A dollar is an entry on the list

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars. If you have dollars, what you have is

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<v Speaker 1>an entry in your banks database saying how many dollars

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<v Speaker 1>you have? This entry is the dollars. The bank doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have sacks of gold or a big box of paper

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<v Speaker 1>currency that the database refers to. It just has the database.

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<v Speaker 1>This is even more true for bitcoin. There are no

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<v Speaker 1>paper bitcoins at all. If the bitcoin ledger says you

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<v Speaker 1>have a bitcoin, then you have a bitcoin. That's all

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<v Speaker 1>a bitcoin is. Almost nothing else works quite that way, though.

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<v Speaker 1>If you own a house, in some legal sense, the

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<v Speaker 1>main thing that you own is an entry in a

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<v Speaker 1>property register, but in some much more important sense, the

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<v Speaker 1>main thing that you own is the house. If your

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<v Speaker 1>house burned down, you could not sleep in your deed. Conversely,

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<v Speaker 1>if someone snuck into the property registry at night and

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<v Speaker 1>slipped in a new deed saying that they owned your house,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they showed up at your house to kick

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<v Speaker 1>you out, you might reasonably raise objections like, but all

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<v Speaker 1>my stuff is here, or but I have the keys

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<v Speaker 1>to the locks, or but all my neighbors know I

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<v Speaker 1>live here, or but this is the address on my

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<v Speaker 1>driver's license, and you might convince everyone, the sheriff, the courts,

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<v Speaker 1>your mortgage lender, that in fact, you own the house

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<v Speaker 1>and the deed is wrong. The property registry is not

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<v Speaker 1>definitive for house ownership the way the bitcoin ledger is

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<v Speaker 1>definitive for bitcoin ownership. But the idea of putting important

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<v Speaker 1>databases of real world stuff on the blockchain. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>the definite art coal is always used with this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and one shouldn't worry too much about which blockchain has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of appeal. People are always talking about moving

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<v Speaker 1>real estate registries, or cargo manifests or carbon emissions onto

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<v Speaker 1>the blockchain. This is appealing because as a database, the

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<v Speaker 1>blockchain has some nice properties. The important public blockchains, such

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<v Speaker 1>as Bitcoin and Ethereum, are secure, open, and permissionless. Anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can prove they own a Bitcoin and that ownership can't

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<v Speaker 1>be reversed arbitrarily, and anyone can build on these systems.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to build an exchange for trading ethereum,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just do it. The blockchain is public and

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<v Speaker 1>the standards for building new Ethereum programs are open. Building

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<v Speaker 1>a new system for buying houses is overwhelmingly difficult. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to get lots of banks and county property registries

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<v Speaker 1>and appraisers on board. But if somehow the houses were

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<v Speaker 1>moved to the blockchain, that would permanently allow for permissionless innovation.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone could build programs and exchanges and derivatives and interfaces

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<v Speaker 1>for house buying, and the best ones could win. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is that houses can't live on the blockchain. They

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<v Speaker 1>live in the real world. They can burn down and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Connecting the electronic artifact on the blockchain the house

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<v Speaker 1>token to its real world referent. The house is philosophically

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<v Speaker 1>and practically tricky. How to make this connection is largely

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<v Speaker 1>an unsolved problem, and quite possibly an unsolvable one, but

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<v Speaker 1>also an important one. Crypto's financial system is well developed

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<v Speaker 1>and has some advantages in openness and permissionless innovation over

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional financial system. If you could ingest the physical

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<v Speaker 1>world into that financial system, you'd have something cool two

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<v Speaker 1>enterprise blockchain. A less ambitious version of this is look.

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<v Speaker 1>Banks are already keeping lots of databases to track lots

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Dollars in banking counts, but also loans, tradeable securities,

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<v Speaker 1>derivative contracts, trade financing, all sorts of stuff. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>those databases are slow, some are written in Kobal, and

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<v Speaker 1>some require an exchange of facts is to settle transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be nice if those databases were faster, if

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<v Speaker 1>they could talk to each other efficiently. It would be

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<v Speaker 1>nice if JP Morgan Chases database could talk to Goldman

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<v Speaker 1>Sachs's database, if there weren't a manual and contentious process

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<v Speaker 1>of reconciling trades between banks. In if you were a

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<v Speaker 1>loan trader at a bank and you thought, uh, our

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<v Speaker 1>systems for trading loans are so slow and cludgy, and

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<v Speaker 1>you walked into the c e o s office and said,

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<v Speaker 1>we should spend tens of millions of dollars hiring top

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<v Speaker 1>notch programmers to build a new loan trading system, and

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<v Speaker 1>we should start a consortium with our competitors and clients

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<v Speaker 1>where we all agree to use the same loan trading system,

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<v Speaker 1>because that will make my life easier and eliminate a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of back office costs. The CEO would probably say

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<v Speaker 1>things like who are you and get out of my

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<v Speaker 1>office and you're fired. But in twenty seventeen, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were a lone trader at a bank, or a blockchain consultant,

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<v Speaker 1>or frankly, a person off the street, and you walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the office of a bank CEO and shouted the

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<v Speaker 1>word block chain, the CEO would hand you a sack

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<v Speaker 1>of money. Lots and lots and lots of people took

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of this. Blockchain was for a while the sexiest

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<v Speaker 1>word in finance, and banks were tripping over themselves to

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<v Speaker 1>announce blockchain initiatives. And not just banks. This stuff had

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<v Speaker 1>a particular vogue at banks, but e g. Shipping companies

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<v Speaker 1>also got in on it. Maersk has a blockchain platform,

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<v Speaker 1>trade Lens, built with IBM that it advertises for shipping

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<v Speaker 1>and supply chain management. The Australian Securities Exchange announced that

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<v Speaker 1>it will replace a trading system with the blockchain, though

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<v Speaker 1>it keeps delaying that the idea here was sometimes vague

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, but broadly speaking, we're talking about permission

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<v Speaker 1>to block chains or private blockchains. Big public blockchains are

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<v Speaker 1>generally not something a banker is going to like. Having

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<v Speaker 1>all transactions to be public is good for security, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>can verify that everything is correct, but also bad if

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<v Speaker 1>your transactions are meant to be secret. It's also just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ikey for regulation who make sure that your

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<v Speaker 1>transaction records are correct. A bank regulator will ask and

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<v Speaker 1>the bank will answer, well, we don't really know, but

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<v Speaker 1>we think it's some mining pools in Russia, and the

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<v Speaker 1>regulators will get nervous. But many of the basic ideas

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<v Speaker 1>of a blockchain, a ledger of every transaction that's demonstrably

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<v Speaker 1>shared by every computer on the network can be implemented privately.

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<v Speaker 1>If you get together with eleven of your friends and

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<v Speaker 1>agree that the twelve of you will do transactions with

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<v Speaker 1>one another, keep a ledger, verify all the transactions, and

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<v Speaker 1>use cryptographic hash functions to make sure the ledger isn't changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you and just do that. If you all trust

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<v Speaker 1>each other and don't let anyone else join the network,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you let only people you trust join the network,

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<v Speaker 1>then you don't have to worry about malicious miners taking

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<v Speaker 1>over your network. It's just you and your friends. This

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<v Speaker 1>has advantages for security, particularly for explaining security to bank regulators.

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<v Speaker 1>You also don't have to make the blockchain public if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to, and there are efficiency advantages. It's

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<v Speaker 1>only twelve of you confirming transactions, so you can do

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<v Speaker 1>it faster. Presumably you're doing this for a reason. You

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<v Speaker 1>want the ability to do these transactions with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>so you don't have to get paid for confirming transactions.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need mining or staking. Those are ways for

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<v Speaker 1>public blockchains to reach a consensus among people who have

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<v Speaker 1>to prove they have a commitment to the system. The

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<v Speaker 1>twelve of you all know one another and build the system,

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<v Speaker 1>so your consensus is good enough without any further proof,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just vote on it. We'll be right back

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<v Speaker 1>with more from Bloomberg Business Week Special Crypto issue written

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<v Speaker 1>by Matt Levine a narrated by Mark Leadoff. D Web three.

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<v Speaker 1>An important fact about bitcoin is that it's both a

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<v Speaker 1>technological method of sending money and the money itself. That is,

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is a computer system for sending bitcoins, and a

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin is the thing that the bitcoin system sends. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of what goes on in crypto is about the technology.

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<v Speaker 1>People use the ideas of blockchains and smart contracts and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth to build software. Some of what goes on

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<v Speaker 1>in crypto is about the money. People call up their

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<v Speaker 1>brokers to place bets on the prices of crypto tokens

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<v Speaker 1>going up. But a lot of what goes on in

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<v Speaker 1>crypto is about both crypto technology runs on crypto tokens

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<v Speaker 1>and crypto tokens get their value from crypto technology. Brawly speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>the name for this is web three. The idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that the original web was the early development of the Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>when people built decentralized, open, community controlled protocols for the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Web two point oh or Web two was when big

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<v Speaker 1>tech companies more or less took over the Internet. Now

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<v Speaker 1>your experience of the Internet is largely mediated through Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>and Google, and Apple and Amazon, and they make tons

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<v Speaker 1>of money from controlling the Internet. No open decentralized project

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<v Speaker 1>is going to compete with them. But Web three will

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<v Speaker 1>be when people build decentralized, open, community controlled protocols for

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet again and also make lots of money because

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<v Speaker 1>the decentralized protocols won't be owned by big tech companies.

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<v Speaker 1>But they won't be free and owned by no one either.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll be owned by their users. Just kidding. They'll be

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<v Speaker 1>owned by venture capitalists who buy tokens in these projects

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<v Speaker 1>early on, and who are the biggest boosters of Web three,

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<v Speaker 1>but all so by their users. One tokens and token omics.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about what you get when you buy a bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing you get is a unit of digital cash.

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<v Speaker 1>You can send the bitcoin to someone else to buy

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<v Speaker 1>a sandwich or whatever. If this digital cash thing takes off,

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<v Speaker 1>then lots of people will accept bitcoin for sandwiches, and

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<v Speaker 1>this currency that you bought will be very useful. But

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<v Speaker 1>another thing you get is a share in the bitcoin project,

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<v Speaker 1>not a share of actual stock, but still a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to profit from the success of bitcoin. If this digital

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<v Speaker 1>cash thing takes off, then lots of people will want

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<v Speaker 1>bitcoin to use to buy sandwiches, and there will be

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of demand for bitcoin, but only twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>million bitcoin will ever exist, so each bitcoin will be

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<v Speaker 1>more valuable as more people decide to use bitcoin as

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<v Speaker 1>their way to transfer digital cash. That logic never quite

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<v Speaker 1>made sense. A convenient currency for digital cash transfer has

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<v Speaker 1>a stable value, and the rising value of bitcoin makes

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<v Speaker 1>it less useful as a currency. If your bitcoin keep

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<v Speaker 1>going up in value, you should not spend them on sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin as an appreciating asset will be a bad currency.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a famous story of the guy who spent ten

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<v Speaker 1>thousand bitcoin in May to buy two large pizzas as

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<v Speaker 1>proof of the concept that you could use bitcoin to

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<v Speaker 1>buy pizza. Today, those ten thousand bitcoin would be worth

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<v Speaker 1>about two hundred million dollars. Still, it worked well enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin is used enough for digital transfers of value that

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<v Speaker 1>it became valuable and early adopters got rich. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a key financial innovation of crypto. Crypto built an efficient

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<v Speaker 1>system to make the customers of a business also its shareholders.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of crypto projects have this basic structure. File Coin

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<v Speaker 1>is a decentralized system for storing files where you can

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<v Speaker 1>pay to store files or get paid for storing files

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<v Speaker 1>for someone else. You pay or get paid in file coin.

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<v Speaker 1>Helium is a decentralized system for wireless hotspots where you

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<v Speaker 1>can get paid for running a hot spot or pay

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<v Speaker 1>for access. You pay or get paid in Helium's tokens,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are play to earn video games such as

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<v Speaker 1>XI Infinity, where you pay for tokens to play the

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<v Speaker 1>game and get rewarded in the game's tokens. Participating, storing files,

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<v Speaker 1>providing WiFi, playing the game makes you an investor as

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<v Speaker 1>well as a user. This is potentially powerful because crypto

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<v Speaker 1>is in the network effects business. Many crypto projects are

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<v Speaker 1>useful mainly if lots of other people use them. Bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>is a useful payment system if lots of people have

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<v Speaker 1>Bitcoin and accept it for payments. Ethereum is a useful

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<v Speaker 1>computing system if lots of people build apps on ethereum.

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<v Speaker 1>If you build a decentralized financial exchange or appeer to peer, marketplace,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever else on ethereum, it's useful if lots of

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<v Speaker 1>people use it. It's hard to build an network effects

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<v Speaker 1>business from scratch. Early users of a network effects business

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<v Speaker 1>won't get much out of it because there's no network yet,

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<v Speaker 1>you might as well just wait until there are more users.

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<v Speaker 1>The economics of crypto tokens reverse that early users of

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<v Speaker 1>a crypto network get tokens cheap, and if the network

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<v Speaker 1>takes off later, then their tokens will be worth a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's an advantage to being early. Token effects people

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes call this. Many claims made about Web three are

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<v Speaker 1>just about taking this basic idea at face value, assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that it's good, and applying it in vague, ambitious ways.

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<v Speaker 1>One issue for web three is that for most consumers,

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<v Speaker 1>the process of even signing up is going to be baffling.

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<v Speaker 1>You generally don't just take out your credit card and

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<v Speaker 1>start playing a game. You might need to buy ether

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<v Speaker 1>on an exchange, then use a bridge to connect to

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<v Speaker 1>the game's own special wallet, then trade your ether for

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<v Speaker 1>another token you need to buy characters, or fight battles

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. Another problem is the urge to tokenize businesses

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<v Speaker 1>with no obvious network effects. In July, Esquire published an

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<v Speaker 1>article about how the crypto revolution wants to reimagine books.

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<v Speaker 1>What if you could own a stake in Harry Potter?

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<v Speaker 1>What if the book series functioned like a publicly traded

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<v Speaker 1>company where individuals could buy stock in it, and as

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<v Speaker 1>the franchise grows, those stocks become more valuable. If this

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<v Speaker 1>were the case, someone who purchased just three percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Potter back when there was only one book would

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<v Speaker 1>be a billionaire. Now just imagine how that would affect

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<v Speaker 1>the reading experience. Suddenly a trip to Barnes and Noble

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<v Speaker 1>becomes an investment opportunity. Early readers could spot the next

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<v Speaker 1>big thing and make a hundred dollar contribution that becomes

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand dollars or even a hundred thousand dollars if

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<v Speaker 1>the book's popularity grows. If readers could own a percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of the franchise, they might then be incentivized to help

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<v Speaker 1>that book succeed. They could start a TikTok account to

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<v Speaker 1>promote the book via book talk, or use their talents

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<v Speaker 1>as filmmakers to adapt it to the screen. All of

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<v Speaker 1>this stands to increase the value of their original investment.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd feel like a chump reading poetry, wouldn't you. The

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<v Speaker 1>bad way to put this is that every Web three

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<v Speaker 1>project is simultaneously a ponzi. Here, I'm using the word

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<v Speaker 1>ponzi in the broad sense in which It's often used

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<v Speaker 1>by people in markets investments, where most current investors are

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<v Speaker 1>just betting on the price going up because new buyers

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<v Speaker 1>pile in. The underlying businesses or projects may be legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>and real, but the investment model is about new buyers

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<v Speaker 1>paying off old ones. Why would you buy some tokens

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<v Speaker 1>to join a Web three Facebook competitor. Well, if you

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<v Speaker 1>like the product, go right ahead. But probably it's at

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<v Speaker 1>least in part because you want to get rich off

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<v Speaker 1>the tokens by selling them to someone else. Why do

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<v Speaker 1>you think someone else will buy the tokens? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>because you think they like the product? Or is it

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<v Speaker 1>because you think they are planning to get rich by

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<v Speaker 1>selling to a bigger sucker. Where does that end? Draw?

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<v Speaker 1>Whole leg A writer on business and technology wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>blog post about Web three that I think about all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. The title is in praise of pond Zis.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes like this, this is essentially a pyramid scheme,

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<v Speaker 1>a ponzi, but it makes sense. It will be the

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<v Speaker 1>dominant marketing method of the next decade. And beyond nonsense.

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<v Speaker 1>You might say, at the end of the day, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to sell something. Narratives aren't enough, But aren't they.

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<v Speaker 1>Another difference between the old world and ours is that

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<v Speaker 1>we no longer sell things. In the past, the content

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<v Speaker 1>was used to sell stuff. Executives from manufacturing companies got

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<v Speaker 1>their TV channel buddies to produce soap operas in order

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<v Speaker 1>to sell more soap. But today content is not used

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<v Speaker 1>to sell anything beyond itself. Everything is content, including your

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 1>actions and behaviors. Why give them away for free? Two dows?

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<v Speaker 1>I should mention some other Web three ish concepts here.

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<v Speaker 1>One is a d a oh, usually pronounced dow, which

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<v Speaker 1>stands for decentralized autonomous organization. Now's aren't decentralized autonomous organizations.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early days, people sometimes thought that's what they were.

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<v Speaker 1>This company runs automatically through smart contracts with no human intervention,

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<v Speaker 1>they would say, it's never been seen before in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, the thing that runs automatically through smart contracts

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<v Speaker 1>with no human intervention is a smart contract. A DOW

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<v Speaker 1>is a way for people to get together to vote

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<v Speaker 1>to control a pot of money or a protocol on

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<v Speaker 1>the blockchain. In other words, a DOW is a company

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<v Speaker 1>like just a regular company. It has shareholders who put

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<v Speaker 1>in money and control it. Actually, they put in money

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<v Speaker 1>and get back tokens that give them rights to govern

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:56.200
<v Speaker 1>the DOW and the shareholders can vote. Dows are unlike

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<v Speaker 1>regular companies and that the shareholders token holders ten to

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<v Speaker 1>vote on more stuff. Often there's a chat room on

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<v Speaker 1>an app called Discord, and people can propose ideas for

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<v Speaker 1>the DOW, and there are procedures for holding a vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Whereas US public companies let shareholders vote in only very

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<v Speaker 1>constrained and symbolic ways, dows tend to let token holders

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<v Speaker 1>vote on all sorts of stuff and often give them

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<v Speaker 1>a fair amount of real control of the company. In this,

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<v Speaker 1>dows look more like partnerships than public corporations. That's bad,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. In US law, the partners of a

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<v Speaker 1>general partnership have unlimited liability for the debts of the partnership.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you set up a business without filing any

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<v Speaker 1>incorporation paperwork, then oops, it's a general partnership. In May,

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<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit was filed against the members of a DOO

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<v Speaker 1>that ran a system for trading and lending crypto. The

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<v Speaker 1>system was hacked, and the lawsuit argues that the DOW members,

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<v Speaker 1>as general partners, are on the hook for the damage.

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<v Speaker 1>There are efforts to set up dows using normal legal

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<v Speaker 1>techniques and getting limited liability. But it's early. Crypto is

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<v Speaker 1>painfully learning lessons. Incorporate your business to avoid huge personal

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:13.200
<v Speaker 1>legal trouble that traditional finance learned centuries ago. Some dows

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<v Speaker 1>are the governance mechanisms for big decentralized finance or defy

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>applications like crypto exchanges, and are responsible for setting policies

0:32:22.520 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and parameters for how they work. Other doos are just

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<v Speaker 1>weird larks. Constitution Now made some headlines for raising a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of money from crypto investors to buy a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of the U S Constitution. They failed to buy it,

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<v Speaker 1>did some dow voting stuff on what to do next,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately returned most of the money minus gas fees,

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<v Speaker 1>and shut down. It was a quick way for people

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<v Speaker 1>to pull their money online to have fun together. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a discord chat with a pool of money. Three

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<v Speaker 1>identity reputation credential tolls in the Bitcoin white paper, so

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<v Speaker 1>Toshiy Knackamoto makes a privacy recommendation a new key pair

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<v Speaker 1>should be used for each transaction to keep them from

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<v Speaker 1>being linked to a common owner. It's free and easy

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<v Speaker 1>to generate new bitcoin addresses, so every time you accept

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<v Speaker 1>a payment in Bitcoin, you should do it in a

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<v Speaker 1>different address. The Bitcoin blockchain is public, sure, so everyone

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<v Speaker 1>can see every transaction, but the goal is for all

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<v Speaker 1>of your Bitcoin transactions to be separate, unlinkable, so no

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<v Speaker 1>one can ever get a full picture of what you're

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<v Speaker 1>up to on the blockchain. Meanwhile, in Ethereum, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>Ethereum Name Service or e n S, which we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about earlier. This lets you register a domain name like

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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Levine dot et h and use it across various

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Ethereum functions. Use your e n S name to store

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<v Speaker 1>all of your addresses and receive any cryptocurrency token or

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<v Speaker 1>n f T, says its homepage. Venture capitalists sometimes use

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<v Speaker 1>their ean S domain as their Twitter to play name.

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<v Speaker 1>These are very different philosophies about what you're doing in

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<v Speaker 1>the crypto world. Bitcoin is philosophically digital cash, anonymous and transactional.

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Ethereum is philosophically something like an open source programming community,

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>where reputation is what's valued, and to accumulate reputation you

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<v Speaker 1>need a consistent identity. You do all your Ethereum stuff

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<v Speaker 1>under your real name or at least your vanity plate.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of the grand claims that people make about Web

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<v Speaker 1>three are about reputation and identity. The idea is that

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<v Speaker 1>you can keep your identity on the blockchain in some immutable, decentralized, transparent,

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 1>provable form, and then do good stuff with it. You

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<v Speaker 1>have some crypto wallet that contains not just tokens that

0:34:46.040 --> 0:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>you bought, but also tokens you received for doing things.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>When you graduate from college, your college sends you a

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<v Speaker 1>bachelor's degree token or a series of token specifying the

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>courses you took and your grades and maybe what you

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<v Speaker 1>learn earned. When you pass your driving test, the d

0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>m V sends you a driver's license token. When you

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<v Speaker 1>go to a professional conference, the conference organization send you

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<v Speaker 1>unattended a conference token. When you get promoted at your job,

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:16.719
<v Speaker 1>your employer sends you a senior blockchain developer token. When

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>you help out on an open source project, the leaders

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:21.480
<v Speaker 1>of the project sends you a thanks for helping with

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>our open source project token. When you post a lot

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<v Speaker 1>on Reddit, other Reddit users send you good post on

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<v Speaker 1>Reddit tokens. These exist, and they're called community points. When

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<v Speaker 1>you help your friends move, your friend sends you a

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 1>thanks for helping me move token. All of these tokens

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<v Speaker 1>are verifiably signed by their issuers, your college, the d

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<v Speaker 1>m V, Reddit, your friend, and the issuers have varying

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<v Speaker 1>degrees of credibility and importance. These tokens will also, in

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<v Speaker 1>the general case, be non transferable. You can't sell your

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>college degree to someone else. And then if you're looking

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>for a job, you'll show perspective employer your degree tokens

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and conference tokens and Reddit tokens and whatever else seems relevant.

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 1>And perhaps there will be bad tokens and I got

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>fired token and I ran a crypto scam token, etcetera,

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that people can send you to undermine your reputation, and

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<v Speaker 1>perspective employers will have to consider how much credibility those deserve, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>I say you'll show perspective employers your tokens, And I

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<v Speaker 1>suppose there are different ways to imagine the public accessibility

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<v Speaker 1>of all these things. Perhaps the tokens are publicly associated

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<v Speaker 1>with your name and anyone can see all of them.

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps employers see only what you voluntarily send them. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you go on a decentralized dating app, perhaps you'll

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>show perspective romantic partners, your degree tokens and your cool

0:36:47.520 --> 0:36:50.560
<v Speaker 1>hobby tokens, and the I'm a good romantic partner in

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>many ways tokens that your ex has sent you when

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 1>you were together again. The possibility of bad tokens is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting here. I don't know. These things are more often

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 1>described as loose utopian sketches than specific programs. When I

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>write them down, they sound extremely dystopian to me, but

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>perhaps you disagree. Sometimes they're spelled out a bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>In May, Metallic Baterian published a paper with Eglen Wile

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<v Speaker 1>and Puja Oliver called Decentralized Society Finding Web Three's Soul.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.960
<v Speaker 1>It called for a set of non transferable soul bound

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<v Speaker 1>tokens spt s representing the commitments, credentials, and affiliations of souls.

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.760
<v Speaker 1>A soul in this terminology is not quite a person,

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>though it is more like a person than it is

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>like a Bitcoin address. A soul could be a person

0:37:41.600 --> 0:37:45.439
<v Speaker 1>or an institution, a university, etcetera. But a person could

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<v Speaker 1>also have multiple souls for multiple contexts. When issuing a

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>tradeable n f T, an artist could issue the n

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<v Speaker 1>f T from their soul, says the paper. Beautifully, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be amazing if theology could be replaced or perhaps

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 1>solved by cryptography. A person's soul is nothing more than

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<v Speaker 1>the things and people that she loves, the people who

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>love her, and the impact that she has in the world,

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 1>and we've encoded it on the blockchain here it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be a bummer to lose the private key

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<v Speaker 1>to your soul. For what shall it profit a man

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to gain a lot of bitcoin and lose his own soul. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>a fascinating part of the Decentralized Society paper is about

0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:32.800
<v Speaker 1>exactly this community based recovery of private keys. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>is roughly that if your soul has a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>connections to a lot of other souls and you lose

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<v Speaker 1>the private keys for your crypto accounts, there should be

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<v Speaker 1>a recovery mechanism where those other souls can vouch that

0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>you really are you, and then you get the keys

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<v Speaker 1>back in a decentralized way e unsensorable ledgers. Here's another

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>way to describe what Sutoshi did. He created a way

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<v Speaker 1>to do irreversible transactions on computers one censorship resistance. Ordinarily,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's some database on a computer somewhere, then it

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.760
<v Speaker 1>changes some data field it can just change that field

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<v Speaker 1>back to what it was. Those are equivalent easy things

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>for a computer to do, but the blockchain makes it

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>hard to change things back. If a bitcoin moves from

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<v Speaker 1>one address to another address, and that transaction is included

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 1>in a block, and then a few more blocks are

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 1>added afterward confirming the transaction, then it would take an

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<v Speaker 1>unfathomable amount of computer work running hash functions trillions and

0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 1>trillions of times to rewind the blockchain to remove that transaction.

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Blockchain is one way It's ledger is permanent. This is

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<v Speaker 1>nice if you want your ledger to be really secure,

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>hard to hack, backed up in multiple places, though honestly

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>it's probably an overkill for those purposes. But it's really

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<v Speaker 1>nice if you want your or to be immune from

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>government meddling or really anyone's meddling. Crypto people call any

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>interference with transactions censorship. Bitcoin is censorship resistant. You might

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 1>not trust the government because, for instance, you live in

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>a repressive dictatorship that controls the banking system and will

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>seize your money from you unjustly, or you might have

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>other objections. U S banks, often though not always in

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<v Speaker 1>conjunction with US government agencies, are very much in the

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<v Speaker 1>business of blocking payments. They'll block payments to organizations designated

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:38.960
<v Speaker 1>as terrorists by the government or two countries sanctioned by

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>the government, but they'll also block payments to pornographic websites

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>in response to public pressure campaigns. If you'd like to

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>finance terrorism, or do business in Iran, or consume Internet porn,

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing might drive you to embrace crypto.

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 1>But even if you don't like terrorism, or Iran or porn,

0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing might make you nervous. What other

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<v Speaker 1>forms of commerce might be shut down by the government

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>or by banks acting independently of the government. Firearms is

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>one pretty obvious answer, but anything that creates strong feelings

0:41:12.520 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>can be litigated through the payment system two or not.

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<v Speaker 1>The practical problem with censorship resistance is that the crypto

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:25.760
<v Speaker 1>world touches the real world at various points, and those

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 1>contacts make it hard to be totally free from the

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>pressures of outside influence. A meme in crypto is the

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<v Speaker 1>five dollar wrench attack, named for an x k c

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 1>D web cartoon, pointing out that the way to steal

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<v Speaker 1>someone's cryptocurrency isn't by using sophisticated methods to hack his laptop,

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>but rather by hitting him with this five dollar wrench

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 1>until he tells us the password. The other problem is

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<v Speaker 1>that while crypto generally creates decentralized and irreversible transactions, it

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>also creates a permanent public record of those transactions. The

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 1>government can just look at that record. It can't reverse

0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.399
<v Speaker 1>the transactions, but it can do its best to make

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>life unpleasant for the recipients. You can send bitcoin to

0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>anyone without anyone's permission, but at some point you'll want

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 1>to do something with bitcoin. You'll want to spend it.

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 1>If you have a lot of it, you'll want to

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 1>spend it on real estate or yachts, or jewelry or art.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to spend it on n f T s,

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<v Speaker 1>then I suppose you can keep it in the cryptosystem forever.

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<v Speaker 1>But what sort of life is that. A financial system

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be entirely self contained. You have to be able

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 1>to turn your money into actual stuff, and that's where

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>they get you. The normal way to turn your bitcoin

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<v Speaker 1>into dollars is through a centralized crypto exchange, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the apps for buying and selling crypto that you saw

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>advertise during the Super Bowl. They're the main FIAT off ramp,

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>the place that lets you sell your bitcoin, which are

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>hard to spend for dollars, which are easy to spend.

0:42:54.719 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Centralized crypto exchanges are extremely sensorable since they tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be run by well the CEOs who would prefer to

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<v Speaker 1>remain wealthy and not in prison, and so they'll do

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<v Speaker 1>things like ask you for your driver's license before letting

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<v Speaker 1>you open an account. If you're on the government's do

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<v Speaker 1>not open an account list, they won't open an account

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Also, if your bitcoin are on a bad list,

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 1>they won't turn them into dollars for you. If you

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<v Speaker 1>come by one hundred thousand bitcoin in the wrong way

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>by hacking someone's bitcoin account, or by doing a ransomware attack,

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<v Speaker 1>or by getting them from an address that the government

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<v Speaker 1>has blacklisted for some other good or bad reason, and

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<v Speaker 1>transfer them into an exchange, the exchange will ask you

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 1>where they came from. Also, the government and the exchange

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<v Speaker 1>can trace the providence of your bitcoin and see if

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<v Speaker 1>any of them were involved in known bad transactions hacks, ransomware,

0:43:46.320 --> 0:43:49.560
<v Speaker 1>et cetera. And if they were, the exchange can block

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you from taking your money out and call the police.

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Earlier this year, a couple were arrested and accused of

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<v Speaker 1>trying to launder one nineteen thousand, seven hundred and fifty

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:03.319
<v Speaker 1>four bitcoin stolen from the bitfin x exchange in a hack.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a YouTube rapper and a Forbes contributor colorful character.

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<v Speaker 1>That's billions of dollars of bitcoin at today's prices. But

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:15.800
<v Speaker 1>these people were not living particularly large, because it turns

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>out billions of dollars of stolen bitcoin can be extremely

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 1>difficult to spend and extremely easy to track. Most of

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>the allegedly stolen bitcoin never left the account where they

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 1>first landed after the hack. Some were sent to crypto

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>exchanges and converted into dollars, but the exchanges kept meticulous

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:36.200
<v Speaker 1>records of who was opening the accounts and withdrawing the money,

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and quickly froze withdrawals. Some were exchanged for gold at

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a precious metals dealer, but they had to show a

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 1>driver's license and give a real home address for that transaction,

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.320
<v Speaker 1>so the FBI saw who got the gold. Some of

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the money was spent on a Walmart gift card, and

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're buying a Walmart gift card with your billions

0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of dollars of stolen, censorship resistant currency, then your money

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>laundering is not going well. Coming up next, you'll hear

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<v Speaker 1>more from Matt Levine's special Crypto issue of Bloomberg Business Week,

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<v Speaker 1>narrated by Mark Leadoff. F Digital scarcity. We've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>how Satoshi's essential technological innovation was that he found a

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:28.800
<v Speaker 1>way to make numbers on computers scares, and a weirdly

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<v Speaker 1>important generalization of bitcoin is that it is a way

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<v Speaker 1>to create electronic scarcity. One wait, what is that good

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:44.280
<v Speaker 1>for digital cash? It is sure dollars are electronic ledger

0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>entries that are scarce because a complicated system of banking

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.839
<v Speaker 1>regulation makes them scarce. Banks can make new dollars just

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>by changing a number in a database, but there's a

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of ceremony involved in making sure they do that

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<v Speaker 1>in the right way. If you want to decentralize permissionless

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:04.360
<v Speaker 1>system of money without trust or regulation, you need some

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>way to limit how much money there is, and bitcoin

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>solved that problem. The broader idea of scarce digital assets

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:17.040
<v Speaker 1>is weirder, though. The normal condition of human existence is

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<v Speaker 1>that good stuff is scarce and companies make money selling

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 1>it to us because we can't get infinite amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>it for free. This isn't always true of everything, but

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it's generally true of the things that you notice paying for.

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>In general, you can breathe as much air as you

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>want for free. Though science fiction occasionally has fun imagining

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 1>dystopian worlds where air is scarce, expensive, and controlled by corporations.

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Crypto people sometimes have fun imagining those worlds, too, but

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:51.920
<v Speaker 1>thinking they're utopias. It's hard to mind coal or make

0:46:51.960 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a chair, or train a tax accountant. There isn't an

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<v Speaker 1>unlimited supply of those things, so they cost money. Every

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>so often, a scarce thing becomes abundant, a vast oil

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 1>field is discovered, a robot is invented that can make

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>a hundred chairs per hour, and prices drop and the

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.759
<v Speaker 1>people who were previously in the business go broke. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a natural intuition that scarcity creates value and abundance

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>destroys it. This is, of course wrong. You'd rather have

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 1>more stuff than less as a consumer. Abundance is good,

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>but you can't get rich selling stuff that's infinitely available

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>for free, and you want to get rich. The modern

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>world has developed ways to get rich by selling stuff that,

0:47:34.680 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 1>in theory is infinitely available because it's electronic. Microsoft Word

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:44.000
<v Speaker 1>is not really scarce. The amount of physical resources electricity,

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<v Speaker 1>computing power, disk space involved in making one more copy

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:50.400
<v Speaker 1>of that computer program and putting it on my computer

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>is tiny in the scheme of things. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>pay for a copy of Word, I'm paying Microsoft Corps

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<v Speaker 1>for the effort involved in coming up with Word in

0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the first place, not for the marginal copy. And Microsoft

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 1>is in part in the business of making those copies scarce,

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<v Speaker 1>of making it not trivial to copy its programs with

0:48:09.760 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>copy protection schemes and subscription plans so that it can

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:17.880
<v Speaker 1>charge for them. Or if you regularly read Bloomberg Online,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for paying to get past our paywall. Some

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of your money is going towards paying for our servers

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<v Speaker 1>to deliver one more impression of an article to your browser.

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<v Speaker 1>Not very much of it, though, Most of it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to me, ha ha thanks. One possible future is

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<v Speaker 1>that the world will be increasingly like that, at least

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<v Speaker 1>for some people. Technological progress will make the basic necessities

0:48:41.719 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of life increasingly abundant and also less fun. The physical

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 1>world will become more homogeneous and boring, and everyone will

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:53.279
<v Speaker 1>spend more of their time online. Their friendships and romances

0:48:53.280 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 1>and family life will occur on computers. Their lives will

0:48:56.719 --> 0:49:01.000
<v Speaker 1>get meaning from stuff that happens on computers. One possibility

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<v Speaker 1>here is that this will just be nice and egalitarian.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone can find their own communities and live in the

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<v Speaker 1>limitless abundance of the Internet. The other possibility is that

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<v Speaker 1>in an Internet world, the essential goods will be positional.

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<v Speaker 1>Being in the cool internet chat room will be desirable

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<v Speaker 1>the way living in a fancy house in a good

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood is desirable now. Having a cool online avatar will

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<v Speaker 1>be desirable in the way that wearing a nice watch

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>is desirable now. And if crypto is a way to

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<v Speaker 1>make those things scarce, to make the desirable avatars a

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<v Speaker 1>limited edition available only to trend setting, early adopters and

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<v Speaker 1>rich people, then you can make money selling them. This

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<v Speaker 1>all seems bad to me, But what do I know?

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<v Speaker 1>Two rare monkey JPEGs. I guess we have to talk

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:54.880
<v Speaker 1>about n f t s again. Remember, an n f

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<v Speaker 1>T is just a token with a number. If you

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<v Speaker 1>buy a bitcoin, your bitcoin is identical to anyone else's bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>If you buy in an f T it has a number,

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<v Speaker 1>there will be some series of n f T s,

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<v Speaker 1>some E r C token series with a name. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>call them tedious Tamarinds, and each n f T in

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<v Speaker 1>that series will have a number, and tedious Tamarin number

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three will be distinguished from tedious Tamarin number sixty

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<v Speaker 1>four by having a different number. I'm being as trivial

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<v Speaker 1>as possible, but of course everything on the Internet is

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<v Speaker 1>distinguished from everything else on the Internet by having a

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<v Speaker 1>different series of numbers. That's all Internet culture is numbers,

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:40.080
<v Speaker 1>encoding pictures and sounds and text and arguments. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>reason in principle why the number sixty three should not

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<v Speaker 1>encode a Tamarin who looks bored but really cool, while

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<v Speaker 1>the number sixty four encodes a Tamarin who looks bored

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of schlubby, and so you might pay more

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<v Speaker 1>for number sixty three because he looks cooler. What this

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<v Speaker 1>means technically is interesting. The paradigmatic n f T is

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<v Speaker 1>some piece of digital art. Tedious Tamarinds is a series

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<v Speaker 1>of one thousand digital drawings of slightly different monkeys with

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<v Speaker 1>board expressions, and different tamarinds will be worth more depending

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<v Speaker 1>on how cool they look. Commonly, an n f T

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 1>series will have a handful of possible attributes. A tamarin

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<v Speaker 1>might be smoking a cigarette or wearing a funny hat,

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<v Speaker 1>or yawning or closing its eyes, and tamarinds will be

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<v Speaker 1>worth more depending on how many attributes they have and

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<v Speaker 1>how rare those attributes are. You can imagine the value

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<v Speaker 1>of different n f T s within a series being

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<v Speaker 1>based on purely esthetic considerations, but mostly not. But what

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<v Speaker 1>does it mean to say that the n f T

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<v Speaker 1>is a piece of digital art. The art does not

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<v Speaker 1>live on the blockchain. As the well known software engineer

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<v Speaker 1>and hacker who goes by the name Maxi Marlin Spike

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.920
<v Speaker 1>wrote in a blog post, instead of storing the data

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<v Speaker 1>on chain, n f T s instead contain a u

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<v Speaker 1>r L that points to the data. What surprised me

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<v Speaker 1>about the standards was that there's no hash commitment for

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<v Speaker 1>the data located at the u r L. Looking at

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<v Speaker 1>many of the n f T s on popular market

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:12.280
<v Speaker 1>places being sold for tens, hundreds or millions of dollars,

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>that u r L often just points to some vps

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 1>running Apache somewhere. Anyone with access to that machine, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who buys that domain name in the future, or anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who compromises that machine can change the image, title, description,

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<v Speaker 1>etcetera for the n f T to whatever they'd like

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<v Speaker 1>at any time, regardless of whether or not they own

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<v Speaker 1>the token. There's nothing in the n f T spec

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<v Speaker 1>that tells you what the image should be or even

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<v Speaker 1>allows you to confirm whether something is the correct image.

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<v Speaker 1>If you buy an n f T, what you own

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<v Speaker 1>is a notation on the blockchain that says you own

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<v Speaker 1>a pointer to some web server. On that web server,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably a picture of a monkey, but that's none

0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>of the blockchain's business. Meanwhile, the intellectual property rights to

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:01.759
<v Speaker 1>that picture of a monkey are certainly none of the

0:53:01.760 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 1>blockchain's business. It's not uncommon for the person or companies

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<v Speaker 1>selling the n f T series to one own the

0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:11.040
<v Speaker 1>IP rights to the pictures of the monkeys and to

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.320
<v Speaker 1>promise to transfer those rights or some of them to

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:17.759
<v Speaker 1>individual holders of the n f T s. But if

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:21.839
<v Speaker 1>that happens, it happens off the blockchain. Those promises are

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:25.600
<v Speaker 1>or aren't enforceable through the normal legal system, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not all that uncommon for the person selling the n

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<v Speaker 1>f T series not to own the I P rights.

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<v Speaker 1>Early in the n f T boom, it was common

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<v Speaker 1>for people to make n f T s of the

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa or the Brooklyn Bridge. It's just a token

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:41.960
<v Speaker 1>with a number. Why can't that number refer to the

0:53:42.000 --> 0:53:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn Bridge. In some ways, this technical silliness makes n

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.839
<v Speaker 1>f T s more culturally interesting. If you buy an

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.879
<v Speaker 1>n f T, all you're getting is a very thin signifier,

0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:56.759
<v Speaker 1>some fragile pointer to some piece of digital art. And

0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:59.160
<v Speaker 1>yet people do pay a lot of money for n

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.560
<v Speaker 1>f T s the right sort of monkey picture. These

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.040
<v Speaker 1>n f t s may not represent ownership in any

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:09.799
<v Speaker 1>particularly binding sense, but they represent a feeling of ownership,

0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>and they also represent a form of community. The most

0:54:13.719 --> 0:54:16.280
<v Speaker 1>famous n f T collection is, of course, the board

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Ape Yacht Club, a series of ten thousand jpeg images

0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.120
<v Speaker 1>of monkeys on ethereum, some of which sell for millions

0:54:23.120 --> 0:54:26.919
<v Speaker 1>of dollars. There's no physical yacht club, but there are

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:31.759
<v Speaker 1>I r L parties for board Ape owners. Various celebrities,

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 1>art dealers, and venture capitalists own apes, and owning an

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.520
<v Speaker 1>ape is a way to join an exclusive club, and

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<v Speaker 1>that club has its norms, and those norms include it

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<v Speaker 1>is cool to use a picture of your ape as

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<v Speaker 1>your Twitter profile picture, and it is not cool to

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<v Speaker 1>use a picture of an ape you don't own as

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<v Speaker 1>your Twitter profile picture. The technological and legal connections between

0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:57.600
<v Speaker 1>blockchain and jpeg and ownership are a bit thin, but

0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the connections are enforced cultural Lee Three, the metaverse. I

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<v Speaker 1>plan to go to my grave not knowing what the

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>metaverse is, so I'm certainly not going to explain it

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<v Speaker 1>to you. But one thing it is is that you

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<v Speaker 1>can buy some real estate on the Internet. Like there

0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:20.720
<v Speaker 1>will be a picture of a house on the Internet,

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and you can have an avatar on the Internet that

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 1>lives in the house, and the avatar can walk from

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>your Internet house to the Internet store where it can

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:32.439
<v Speaker 1>buy some Internet groceries. It will be like a computer game,

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<v Speaker 1>but more all consuming and much more boring. How much

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<v Speaker 1>should your house in the metaverse cost? Two plausible answers

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<v Speaker 1>might be it should cost as much as a house

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<v Speaker 1>it's a house, or it should be basically free. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just a file on a computer. There's essentially infinite space

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<v Speaker 1>in the metaverse, and nobody has to actually nail together

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<v Speaker 1>the house. The second answer strikes me as correct, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's no fun for the people selling houses on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>So scarcity. The Internet houses are in f t s.

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<v Speaker 1>The goal is to make some of them scarce and prestigious.

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<v Speaker 1>Having an Internet house next door to Elon Musk's Internet

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<v Speaker 1>house is desirable. Let's assume and only a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>Internet houses can be next door to Elon Musk's Internet house.

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<v Speaker 1>Why they're all on computers. You could put a million

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<v Speaker 1>Internet houses next door to Elon's Internet house, but you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You make the positional goods scarce. This is dumb, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look at Facebook Meta Now, what are the

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<v Speaker 1>odds that fifty years from now the center of the

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<v Speaker 1>world economy will be digital goods? What are the odds

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<v Speaker 1>that we will all spend most of our time and

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<v Speaker 1>money seeking status and romance and connection and entertainment on

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. If most goods end up being digital, if

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<v Speaker 1>most people make their money by producing digital goods, then

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<v Speaker 1>monitoring and mertoring the distribution of those goods will be

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<v Speaker 1>an important economic function. Digital scarcity. I'm sorry to be

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<v Speaker 1>this type of guy, but it's hard not to think

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<v Speaker 1>of the movie The Matrix. You know, the premise everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is a sack of meat in a bath of nutrients

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<v Speaker 1>with their brains plugged into a remarkably realistic simulation of

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<v Speaker 1>late nineties America. Why a remarkably realistic simulation of late

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<v Speaker 1>nineties America? Why does Neo, the main character, have to

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<v Speaker 1>go to work at a boring desk job if he's

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<v Speaker 1>just a brain in a vat being fed a soothing

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<v Speaker 1>simulation by the machines? Agent Smith explains, did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

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<v Speaker 1>Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the

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<v Speaker 1>programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that as a species, human beings define their reality through

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<v Speaker 1>misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream

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<v Speaker 1>that you're primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.

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<v Speaker 1>So they simulated late capitalism instead. Even in a world

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<v Speaker 1>where all the goods are digital and available in limitless abundance,

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<v Speaker 1>you still have to have a simulated desk job to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for them. Digital scarcity. Thank you Matt Levine, and

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