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Speaker 1: And you know that means we got news about WWE counterprogramming.
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Speaker 1: There a lot of shows this weekend, including Forbidden Door
Speaker 1: and the heat Waves Show, but obviously the top story
Speaker 1: is what happened with Rajah Jackson, the son of Rampage
Speaker 1: At Jackson and independent pro wrestler Psycho stew We got
Speaker 1: a lot of news to talk about on this today,
Speaker 1: horrible story, and we got some updates on everything, so
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Speaker 1: Back here on the show, I realize it's horrible that
Speaker 1: I just opened up this show laughing. But Tom sent
Speaker 1: me to his Twitter to see what was something that
Speaker 1: was not funny at all, which we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: in a moment. But as I was about to hit record,
Speaker 1: I scrolled a little further down and I saw the
Speaker 1: twenty twelve article you posted broke Tom Lawler gets forty
Speaker 1: grand Knockout of the Night bonus and UFC on fuel three.
Speaker 5: Wow, what a way to put you over you're broke.
Speaker 4: Well, the reason why that even happened is there was
Speaker 4: recently a fighter, Charles ener G Johnson, who, by the way,
Speaker 4: great nickname and even better haircut one A. He was
Speaker 4: an underdog, I believe this past weekend and won a
Speaker 4: big fight, got a bonus, and it was revealed that
Speaker 4: he was in the red in his bank account, and
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a minute, that actually happened to
Speaker 4: me in the past too, where I was in the red.
Speaker 4: I had to borrow money from one of my friends,
Speaker 4: Dan Fern, and.
Speaker 5: Did he work for NXT.
Speaker 4: No, okay, this is like a computer security guy.
Speaker 5: I just heard the name Dan Fern.
Speaker 4: I use an alias, ok. But anyways, I paid him
Speaker 4: back after the fight, just like this Charles Energy Johnson,
Speaker 4: fella is doing.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 4: I've been in the game for a while, Brian, I've
Speaker 4: been in the game not making any money for a
Speaker 4: long time.
Speaker 1: Well, you know you've kept at it, so congratulations. All right,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about a really serious situation. I
Speaker 1: don't want to joke about anything. So before we get
Speaker 1: into all of the updates today, in case some of
Speaker 1: you don't know what happened, there was a Knox Pro
Speaker 1: Wrestling show over the weekend, and to try to cut
Speaker 1: it down to like just the basics, Rajah Jackson, who's
Speaker 1: the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson. He went to the
Speaker 1: show with his video camera and he's got like a
Speaker 1: live stream that he does on.
Speaker 5: Kick.
Speaker 1: It's like the new one Kick, So he's like streaming
Speaker 1: on Kick. And before the show, he's in the back
Speaker 1: and all the wrestlers are hanging out and one of
Speaker 1: the wrestlers, Psycho Stu, goes up to him and he
Speaker 1: sees the camera and he presumes that Rajah Jackson is
Speaker 1: one of the workers, which he is not. He was
Speaker 1: just there at the show, and so they kind of
Speaker 1: do a little back and forth and Psycho asked him,
Speaker 1: you know who I am? And Roger's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know who you are. And Psycho thinks he's kind of
Speaker 1: messing with him because he thinks he's a worker. And
Speaker 1: so he's drinking a beer and he takes a beer
Speaker 1: can and he does like a a he crushes half
Speaker 1: the beer can on his on his head, and you know,
Speaker 1: Rajah Jackson later even he was like it didn't hurt,
Speaker 1: but he was mad because he didn't know why this
Speaker 1: guy hit him with a beer can. So he gets
Speaker 1: hot and all the other wrestlers kind of gather around
Speaker 1: and they're they're they start explaining to Stu, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's he's not a worker, he's just here. And
Speaker 1: you know Raja's he's he's mad, and so they're trying
Speaker 1: to calm him down, and they're going, he thought you
Speaker 1: were a worker. He was just you know, we all
Speaker 1: mess around, we all and so Stu offers a handshake
Speaker 1: and Raja wants none of his handshake, and Stu apologizes.
Speaker 1: He says, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: He offers a handshake. Rojer wants none of it. So
Speaker 1: the one of the co owners of Knox It's Rakishi's promotion, Reno, says,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's do a spot tonight in the match.
Speaker 1: You can get involved in the match. He doesn't say
Speaker 1: anything about what he he just says, let's let's get together.
Speaker 5: And work out a spot. Okay.
Speaker 1: So then this other guy, aj Mana, he basically says,
Speaker 1: you get in there tonight and you can get your
Speaker 1: receipt on this guy. And as soon as as Raja
Speaker 1: hears I'm gonna get my receipt on this guy, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get to hit him back. And then he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's shake hands, and he's all, you know, he's supposedly
Speaker 1: cool with this. So you know, he's filming this, this
Speaker 1: whole thing. This is not like she said, he said,
Speaker 1: she said, He's filming this whole thing. It's on the internet,
Speaker 1: like as of last night. It may not be there
Speaker 1: now for legal reasons, but as of last night it
Speaker 1: was still there. You can go up and watch it.
Speaker 1: So for the next two hours, Raja is filming himself
Speaker 1: as he goes to sit down at the show, as
Speaker 1: he walks around backstage, as he as he literally explains
Speaker 1: into the camera, I'm gonna hit this guy for real,
Speaker 1: and he starts, he starts going on kick and everybody
Speaker 1: on Kick is telling him like, you can't stand for that.
Speaker 1: You got to stand up for yourself. And so over
Speaker 1: the next hour he's getting more and more hot. He
Speaker 1: just keeps reading this chat and you know he's he's
Speaker 1: over and over again you know, talking about I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hurt this guy. I'm not gonna hurt him too bad,
Speaker 1: he says. But it's not gonna be scripted when I
Speaker 1: get in there. And so eventually, you know, the match
Speaker 1: is taking place. He's sitting at ringside and he ends
Speaker 1: up he ends up flying into the ring. He grabs
Speaker 1: this guy who doesn't fight like the guy thinks it's
Speaker 1: just gonna be some spot stew and he picks this
Speaker 1: dude up and he does like the MMA slam.
Speaker 4: It was like the booker t oh my god, where's
Speaker 4: it the slam that he would do. It's like an
Speaker 4: over the shoulder spine bluster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he slams this guy and this guy looks
Speaker 1: like he's out immediately. I don't know if he's selling,
Speaker 1: but he looks like he's out. And then Raja jumps
Speaker 1: on this guy and he punches him as hard as
Speaker 1: he can, full force in the face.
Speaker 5: Twenty one times.
Speaker 1: Now as this is happening, and I listen, let me
Speaker 1: let me say this, Let me just say something, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, because I'm gonna I will.
Speaker 5: I will say what you're expecting. But I want to say.
Speaker 1: This first, initially, last night. I was somewhat defensive of
Speaker 1: the other wrestlers in the ring because we're all watching
Speaker 1: the footage. We know what happened, we know what to expect.
Speaker 1: Nobody in there did. Okay, there was one guy who
Speaker 1: within about three seconds, he tries to break this thing up.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work, and finally all of the other guys
Speaker 1: get in and they drag him off after twenty one punches,
Speaker 1: and I was I was sympathetic because none of them
Speaker 1: had the benefit of knowing what was gonna happen. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone even knew the guy was gonna
Speaker 1: run in. A lot of them were probably in shock. However,
Speaker 1: you posted a video on your Twitter today.
Speaker 4: I'm sending you the full two minutes that I have
Speaker 4: right now.
Speaker 1: That I was completely unaware of last night. So as
Speaker 1: he is being pulled off and like half of the
Speaker 1: wrestlers have bowled him into the corner to get him
Speaker 1: off the guy.
Speaker 4: One guy is throwing shoulder tackles, one guy hit him
Speaker 4: with like a fake bag like that. The restraint on
Speaker 4: Rajah Jackson left a lot to be decided. There was
Speaker 4: one gentleman the epic who I will give credit to.
Speaker 4: He was outside the ring, and he's the one that
Speaker 4: ran in and at least restrained Rajah. He was throwing
Speaker 4: head butts at him. That he was the only one
Speaker 4: that I would give any credit.
Speaker 1: That guy is a hero. Okay, that guy's a hero.
Speaker 1: Now the I am absolutely appalled, aghast a disgusted dude.
Speaker 5: As there we.
Speaker 1: Only saw in the light in the in the video
Speaker 1: that Rajah put up, we only saw him being bowled
Speaker 1: into the like he's being he's in the corner, he's
Speaker 1: being restrained or whatever. That's what we saw. We didn't
Speaker 1: see what's happening in the ring. I presumed like everybody
Speaker 1: was bulling him into the corner. You have an angle
Speaker 1: whereas he is laying there with blood pouring out of
Speaker 1: his head, in his ears, choking air, his teeth in
Speaker 1: his blood. Someone covers him and the ref counts the pin.
Speaker 4: Disgusting what.
Speaker 1: Somebody covered him and the ref counted the pin. Yes,
Speaker 1: the ref counted the pin. The video is up on
Speaker 1: Tom's Twitter.
Speaker 4: Timmy Handsome is the ring name of the man who
Speaker 4: pinned Psycho.
Speaker 5: STU mean, go after Rajah.
Speaker 4: This is your first reaction is to pin the guy
Speaker 4: whose call was this was it his call. Did somebody
Speaker 4: tell them get on top of him and pin them?
Speaker 4: End it? What is going on here? And people are
Speaker 4: going ah, people are arguing with me saying I don't
Speaker 4: know the unwritten rules of wrestling. The show must go on. Listen, buddy,
Speaker 4: what about the rules of life? Okay, there's no hold
Speaker 4: on before you go, before you go into the rules
Speaker 4: of life?
Speaker 1: Who is telling you, like, listen, hey, if you want
Speaker 1: to tell me, okay, like, hey, I was a pro wrestler,
Speaker 1: but you're a pro wrestler and a UFC fighter. So
Speaker 1: who's telling you that you don't understand the rules of
Speaker 1: either business? Stand by Observer Life.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simperviv on the Sports Bylineting Network.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna let you go off.
Speaker 1: Don't swear, but I want to say one thing before
Speaker 1: we go any further. And that is as appalled as
Speaker 1: I was with that spot where the guy covered in
Speaker 1: the referee counted the pin. I do think that we
Speaker 1: need to remember what happened and who did what. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like, you can get mad at
Speaker 1: those guys all you want okay, but there's one guy
Speaker 1: who hit the ring and like did what he did,
Speaker 1: and that's that's Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 5: Now go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And by the same token, I've had a lot
Speaker 4: of people because I watched a portion of that hour
Speaker 4: forty five minute video that Roger Jackson had up or
Speaker 4: whatever it was, as I did, and I mean, he
Speaker 4: was disrespectful from the very beginning when he showed up
Speaker 4: kind of towards the whole event, I don't have tickets,
Speaker 4: blah blah, blah blah. He's trash talking his butty, which
Speaker 4: is you know, that's one thing, but then you know,
Speaker 4: talking about how he's gonna hit him for real. I mean,
Speaker 4: the entire thing is awful. But we had aj Mana,
Speaker 4: who I think is the one that brought him in,
Speaker 4: that brought Rajah Jackson to the show, a self proclaimed
Speaker 4: MMA fighter, stuntman actor, obviously a professional wrestler, here telling
Speaker 4: Rajah Jackson to get his receipt. You know what a
Speaker 4: receipt is, get a receipt, tag him. You know what,
Speaker 4: if they don't like it, I'll come out there. So
Speaker 4: he's already hyping him up, as you said on kick
Speaker 4: These twelve and fifteen year old kids are egging Amon
Speaker 4: to go fight, and he gets in the ring. He
Speaker 4: does that, and people are Any sort of vindication that
Speaker 4: people have for him, any sort of like backing, should
Speaker 4: be out the window. This man is an adult. He's
Speaker 4: twenty five years old. If Brian told me to go
Speaker 4: shoot on somebody that at the Christmas party, that doesn't
Speaker 4: give me carte blanche to do it. There's still repercussions
Speaker 4: that you have to face. And when I look at it,
Speaker 4: I've got to imagine this guy has never faced any repercussions.
Speaker 4: There's a video of Rampage Jackson just days ago on
Speaker 4: kick saying, you know what, I saved up money for
Speaker 4: my Asian kids to go to college, and I saved
Speaker 4: up money to bail Rajah Jackson out right, Yes, I
Speaker 4: mean we have it right there.
Speaker 5: This was before anything, before anything.
Speaker 4: Rampage Jackson afterwards makes a statement saying Psycho Stu's okay,
Speaker 4: which apparently I don't know where he got that information,
Speaker 4: because that does not seem to be the case. What
Speaker 4: I understand. He was in critical care according to his brother,
Speaker 4: and one of the biggest, one of the biggest concerns
Speaker 4: that Rampage Jackson has and all of his videos which
Speaker 4: you see over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: And hey, I'm a parent, I don't know how I
Speaker 4: would react if my son did something like this. I
Speaker 4: would be concerned for him, for sure. But he keeps
Speaker 4: asking is he gonna get kicked off off Kick? Is
Speaker 4: he gonna lose his account? Is he gonna get banned
Speaker 4: from Kick? Very little care for what happened to Psycho Stu. Now,
Speaker 4: Psycho Stu, I mean, I don't condone walking up to
Speaker 4: somebody and who's unprepared, you don't know, and whacking him
Speaker 4: in the head with a beer can or whatever it was,
Speaker 4: a soda can. Now clearly he was doing it in
Speaker 4: a worked manner. He thought that Raj Jackson was in
Speaker 4: on it. But this also, I mean, it's just a
Speaker 4: perfect storm of events that led to this. And then
Speaker 4: Raj Jackson leaves the guy who is dressed like a
Speaker 4: clown and a baseball outfit who was tackling him and
Speaker 4: throwing shoulder blocks in the corner. That guy gives chase
Speaker 4: to him, go after him, and then cuts a promo
Speaker 4: on him, cuts a promo on Rampage Jackson in front
Speaker 4: of the fans. That was, you know, one of his
Speaker 4: first actions not to go care for psychostu, not to
Speaker 4: go calm things down in the locker room and help there.
Speaker 4: Just a miss on so many levels. This was mishandled
Speaker 4: so so badly across the board. One of the worst
Speaker 4: things I have ever seen in professional wrestling or MMA
Speaker 4: for that matter. You know this, this man is supposed
Speaker 4: to be a trained fighter, he's owned one as a professional,
Speaker 4: but he brandishes himself as an MMA fighter. We we.
Speaker 5: Like it, as I mean, all the faults.
Speaker 4: We see a fighters, we don't see this very often.
Speaker 1: You mentioned this whole situation was mishandled, and you're correct,
Speaker 1: but like I want to, I want to point out
Speaker 1: that like you almost can't even say mishandled because there's
Speaker 1: nothing handled about it. Like I don't think of that
Speaker 1: entire stream there was like anybody.
Speaker 5: That told anybody what was gonna happen, Like I.
Speaker 1: Don't remember anybody him having any conversations about this is
Speaker 1: the spot that we're gonna do or whatever, Like he
Speaker 1: literally was just told go in and get your receipt.
Speaker 1: And you know, again, I'm still appalled by the cover
Speaker 1: and the pin.
Speaker 5: And everything like that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't have any indication that anybody
Speaker 1: in the ring knew what was gonna happen. I mean,
Speaker 1: this dude, they who knows what anybody thought? There was
Speaker 1: no like, hey, no one thought this is what we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. This guy's gonna do this.
Speaker 5: You guys do that, you know? Make sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure those guys were told. He said,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep hitting him till I get pulled off.
Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing any indication that the other guys
Speaker 1: were told to pull the guy off.
Speaker 5: It was like it was like the Wild West.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, We're gonna have a match, just
Speaker 1: like you hit the ring and get your receipt and
Speaker 1: then like, you know whatever. It's like, where was I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, this whole thing right now Psychos. According
Speaker 1: to his brother Andrew Smith, says that he is in
Speaker 1: stable but critical care. So one of the wrestlers in
Speaker 1: an interview I think with like USA today, I've got
Speaker 1: it here somewhere, but he basically said that Stu was
Speaker 1: on his way home. Mallow it's his first name.
Speaker 5: Where is it here?
Speaker 1: Douglas Molow, one of the wrestlers who attended to intervene.
Speaker 4: Hold on, hold on, Brian Bryan because because this is
Speaker 4: kind of off topic. When this happens, Roger Jackson gets
Speaker 4: a call, He gets a call from somebody at the
Speaker 4: show who says, man, you should have done that, you
Speaker 4: should have gone that far. He's in the ring flatlining
Speaker 4: and do you remember what Rogar Jackson said.
Speaker 5: My bad, I got a call.
Speaker 4: Uh, I'll call you back. What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, according to Well, Douglas Mallow had told USA
Speaker 1: Today that Smith was awake talking on Sunday, broken bones
Speaker 1: in his face, lost a lot of teeth, but then
Speaker 1: he went on read it and said he's going home.
Speaker 1: And then it was several hours later that Stu's brother
Speaker 1: posted on Facebook and said good morning, thank you for
Speaker 1: the outpouring of support. Stuart is conscious, does have some
Speaker 1: recollection of events from the day of the attack, but
Speaker 1: said that he was.
Speaker 5: In critical care.
Speaker 1: Now critical care, I mean that's the er and they're
Speaker 1: watching you like every moment to make sure you stay alive.
Speaker 1: So it's a serious, serious situation. And you know, yesterday
Speaker 1: Dave and I were talking about this and he said
Speaker 1: that Knox Pro wasn't an ID school, but they'd had
Speaker 1: ID talent. No, it wasn't ID school. It is now
Speaker 1: not an ID school. The the ID membership or whatever
Speaker 1: has been pulled. I don't know what else is gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but they're not an ID school now. And I mean
Speaker 1: you asked the question during the break, which was a
Speaker 1: good question. How are ID schools chosen? What does the
Speaker 1: vetting process? The vetting process appeared to be that Rakishi
Speaker 1: owned it. Other than that, I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: you know, but if you watch the video, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, the wrestlers are changing outside. There seems to
Speaker 1: be very little communication about what's going on on the show.
Speaker 1: This whole thing happened. It's like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know being investigated by the LAPD and what
Speaker 1: that means. Who knows. But I mean, here's a thing.
Speaker 1: If nothing happens, I don't know what to say about
Speaker 1: the LAPD because all of this is on film, every
Speaker 1: last second of it. Rampage. When he was doing his deal,
Speaker 1: he tried to claim that, well, you know, the guy
Speaker 1: hit him with a beer can and he was mad,
Speaker 1: and then this thing happened and tempers.
Speaker 5: That's not what happened.
Speaker 1: The beer can incident was followed by a handshake where
Speaker 1: Roger claimed that he was he was cool now. But
Speaker 1: then that was followed by two hours of him filming
Speaker 1: himself getting more and more agitated, flat out saying what
Speaker 1: he was going to go in and do. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was not like spur of the moment. I mean,
Speaker 1: he had two hours to think about it, and he
Speaker 1: only got more angry in that two hours.
Speaker 4: Rampage also mentioned that Roger Jackson recently had a brain
Speaker 4: injury from sparring, and that maybe the can shot to
Speaker 4: the head was part of the issue. But the multiple
Speaker 4: times are Roger Jackson says that didn't hurt it all, no.
Speaker 1: Problem, and and I mean and bright. We also have
Speaker 1: two hours of him seeming to be I mean, he's angry,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't seem like he's you know, he's just
Speaker 1: he seems quite angry. And he gets more and more
Speaker 1: angry the more he goes on kick the more he
Speaker 1: listens to that chat.
Speaker 4: And you said, what what is the LAPD gonna do? Right?
Speaker 4: What is the lap get LAPD gonna do? Probably the
Speaker 4: same thing that the Orange County Police Department did at
Speaker 4: the end of the day with Rampage Jackson when he
Speaker 4: went on that hit and run in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: This brushing under the rug, Well this guy does say,
Speaker 1: have no faith in the lapd Brian, Well, all I
Speaker 1: know is they've got plenty of evidence. I mean, the
Speaker 1: entire thing from start to finish was all filmed and
Speaker 1: it's out there everywhere. So this person here that says
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian Alfarez
Speaker 2: and Mike Semperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I don't know what more there is to
Speaker 1: say about this particular story, but all the best to
Speaker 1: Psycho ste. Hopefully we keep getting positive reports. His brother
Speaker 1: saying he's conscious and some recollection is definitely positive compared
Speaker 1: to the first.
Speaker 5: Facebook post that he posted, so hopefully.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know what, also, Brian, I'd like to say,
Speaker 4: I hope whatever the issue is with Rajah Jackson can
Speaker 4: get handled too. If this guy needs some medical and
Speaker 4: psychological evaluation, you know, in order to help him, let's
Speaker 4: go down that road. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: This whole thing is just a disaster.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, what did you watch this weekend?
Speaker 5: How's that?
Speaker 4: For a second? Just start naming stuff because I can't.
Speaker 5: I mean, there was a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 4: I think I watched most of it. There's a few
Speaker 4: matches I missed, like I missed the woman's title change
Speaker 4: on NXT. It just so happened like I was watching
Speaker 4: on one TV at one speed and then you know,
Speaker 4: at a different I had it live and another and
Speaker 4: I kind of missed that match and some of the
Speaker 4: Forbidden Door pay per view I missed, but I saw
Speaker 4: the majority of what happened this weekend no collision. I
Speaker 4: watched the UFC as well, two nights of it, along
Speaker 4: with the Kurt Darelli Oil Wrestling Tournament, which and once
Speaker 4: again won by Orhan Oklou. I could just put that
Speaker 4: on repeat, but.
Speaker 1: Well, listen if you these are the matches I gave
Speaker 1: four stars or more too if you care about star ratings.
Speaker 1: Kyle Fletcher and Horomu I thought was pretty fantastic. Missed it,
Speaker 1: Zach Saber Junior and Nigel McGinnis. I didn't quite give four,
Speaker 1: but I gave it three and three quarter and it
Speaker 1: was pretty freaking great as well, so you should check
Speaker 1: that out. Same with o'cotton Swerve. I gave it just
Speaker 1: under four. Same with Ton and Athena just under four.
Speaker 1: Hangman in MJF I gave. I gave more than four,
Speaker 1: and the main event cage match so a lot of
Speaker 1: matches if you want, like really good wrestling that would
Speaker 1: be unforbidden door And honestly, like if you're talking about
Speaker 1: the the NXT show, I thought it was on the Weekend.
Speaker 1: Jordan Grace and Blake Monroe I would say was three
Speaker 1: and three quarter very close to four star match.
Speaker 5: I mean they did a great job.
Speaker 4: I feel like in a different setting. It was just
Speaker 4: it just for some reason that fell out of place.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, the best match on the show by far was
Speaker 1: Obafemi and Javon Evans, which was pretty much as good
Speaker 1: as anything on the AW show. That match was frickin' great.
Speaker 1: If you're surprised that Javon Evans didn't win the title,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4: He got murdered, but in a way that in the
Speaker 4: long run you want to see him come back and
Speaker 4: actually avenge this loss. He didn't go out looking like
Speaker 4: a geek.
Speaker 5: No, I will say they they did.
Speaker 1: They did give him a lot. I mean this was
Speaker 1: as far as like he didn't win, but as far as, like,
Speaker 1: you know, giving him a lot in a match and
Speaker 1: making him look like he actually could have become champion.
Speaker 5: This was better than.
Speaker 1: Most Yvonne matches, because you know, usually he'll look great
Speaker 1: against a geek, but then they'll put him in with
Speaker 1: a main event guy and like he'll get some spots,
Speaker 1: but you know, they want you to know that he's
Speaker 1: not at that level yet. This one, they they really
Speaker 1: gave him a lot and he looked great as he
Speaker 1: always does, and it was an excellent match and you
Speaker 1: should go out of your way to see it.
Speaker 4: This Oba Femi, good lord, he's awesome, He's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Javan should have beat him for no other reason than
Speaker 1: he should be on the main roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he should be like what TKO wanted Francis Naganu
Speaker 4: to be, you know what I mean, the star for Africa.
Speaker 4: He is just off the charts great as a big man.
Speaker 4: He works well with every style of wrestler that I've
Speaker 4: seen so far. I mean, I don't know how much
Speaker 4: higher I could be on this guy.
Speaker 1: Well, you know a lot of people talk and this
Speaker 1: is true, like on the WE main roster as far
Speaker 1: as like black male wrestlers, I mean there's I don't
Speaker 1: think there's anybody really getting a push.
Speaker 5: And uh, I will just say that if.
Speaker 1: They bring up Trick Williams, Obafemi and Javaon and none
Speaker 1: of those three guys get a push, then something's up, dude.
Speaker 5: But like next year, two years.
Speaker 1: From now, at this time, I mean, we should have
Speaker 1: three black male wrestlers as like regular main eventors. Because Trick,
Speaker 1: he's not the best wrestler in the world, although he's improved,
Speaker 1: but my god, this guy has more charisma than almost anybody.
Speaker 1: Oba Femei is like he can have a great match
Speaker 1: with anyone. It doesn't matter if you're big, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you're small, it doesn't matter if it's a
Speaker 1: four way. He's he's got he's got great promos. And
Speaker 1: you know the best thing about Oba Femi, honestly is
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys where like I saw a
Speaker 1: video of him out of character and that's not his voice,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what.
Speaker 5: What so that Oba Femi?
Speaker 1: That that's he's playing a character and it is incredibly believable.
Speaker 4: He is from Nigeria, sure.
Speaker 1: But he really he really plays up the accident and
Speaker 1: such and and it works, dude. And then you know, Javon,
Speaker 1: I know he's twenty one. They won't give him a
Speaker 1: push for nine years, but like that guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: he should have been the youngest NXT champion. He is
Speaker 1: a very special talent and he's like the crowd absolutely
Speaker 1: loves this guy. You just give him a little and
Speaker 1: they go wild, so like if they gave him a lot.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's is just a man.
Speaker 1: They got some awesome dudes coming up from from developmental year.
Speaker 4: We're almost back to the days of the murderer's row
Speaker 4: of the early African American professional wrestlers, which I learned
Speaker 4: about in a great book by Ian Douglas, A decided novelty.
Speaker 4: I finished it this weekend. I learned so much information.
Speaker 4: I would put it up there with the Carl Stern
Speaker 4: Omnibus book. It's somewhat in that mold, not as fact heavy.
Speaker 4: Ian Douglas does a great job of weaving in, you know,
Speaker 4: the history with his writing style, and man, I learned
Speaker 4: a ton from this book, so if you can check
Speaker 4: it out on Amazon, A decided novelty. But it did
Speaker 4: make me think of, you know, some of the past
Speaker 4: errors that we've had with great, great Black or African
Speaker 4: American wrestlers, and right now I really think Obafemi is
Speaker 4: like the one that should be at the top of
Speaker 4: the heap.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I mean Oban Oban Trick, like
Speaker 1: I get it. Javon's young. You know they're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna wait. But like Trick is great, he is so
Speaker 1: charismatic and he's he's far like you know, it's either one,
Speaker 1: because I go Oba Femmi is a better he has
Speaker 1: better matches. I would say he's a better worker. Javon
Speaker 1: is is of the two more charismatic. But it's not
Speaker 1: like Javon or it's not like Trick is a bad worker.
Speaker 1: And it's not like Oba isn't charismatic. So like both
Speaker 1: of them, you could go, you could go all the.
Speaker 4: Way and uh yeah, I hope they do.
Speaker 5: We should also.
Speaker 1: Mentioned a couple of things coming out of of of
Speaker 1: a W So the UH post show press conference. Tony
Speaker 1: Kahn has now announced he's he's now Dario Kuaita and
Speaker 1: Lucia underground good. The money in the bank contract that
Speaker 1: they have you cannot cash in at any time. You
Speaker 1: must give a week's notice so that he can properly promote.
Speaker 1: And you know a couple of people here were like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, why even have the cash in deal? Why
Speaker 1: not you say the winner gets a title shot, because
Speaker 1: when you win a title shot, the promoter decides when
Speaker 1: that title shot is going to be. This is all
Speaker 1: in storyline, like, Okay, you won, Well you're gonna get
Speaker 1: your shot at all out, or you're gonna get your
Speaker 1: shot at whatever. This would mean. Hey, bro, if you
Speaker 1: want your shot on TV next week, you call it.
Speaker 1: You don't have to wait for a pay per view. Hey,
Speaker 1: the pay per view is coming in your hometown in
Speaker 1: three months. You can call the shot there. So in storyline,
Speaker 1: it's better to be able to choose the time and
Speaker 1: place than to have.
Speaker 5: The promoter do it for you. And he did mention that.
Speaker 4: Although, hey, if they're a good promoter, they're probably gonna
Speaker 4: do it right. Like who made the decision to have
Speaker 4: Lolavice challenge down near her hometown? Was it Ava? Was it?
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 4: Her? Was Lola?
Speaker 1: It might have been It's probably Ava, probably Lola's idea,
Speaker 1: but Ava took credit.
Speaker 5: Look at that how it normally works here.
Speaker 1: But Hangman beat MJF in the championship match, which was
Speaker 1: in the ring. It was the best match on the show,
Speaker 1: but it had a really weird like ref bump thing
Speaker 1: that just like it sucked and it was so bad.
Speaker 1: I think that there was another idea that like something
Speaker 1: went wrong or somebody missed a cue or a camera
Speaker 1: missed something or whatever. But hey, MGF still has the
Speaker 1: contract in his back pocket, so he can either call
Speaker 1: his shot, which I think is actually what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I had been advocating for Tony Kahan to force MGF
Speaker 1: to put it on the line against Mark Brisco, But
Speaker 1: since Tony did that press conference and made no mention
Speaker 1: of that, but did change how you can cash in,
Speaker 1: that sounds to.
Speaker 5: Me like, well, that's what it's gonna be. I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess he could s something on Wednesday, but I
Speaker 1: don't think Mark Briusco is getting a shot at that contract.
Speaker 1: And then two other major notes after the cage match,
Speaker 1: I mean, they pretty much told you this was Will
Speaker 1: Ospray's last match for a while, and they did a
Speaker 1: video before the match pretty much telling you it was
Speaker 1: his last match for a while. And then he did
Speaker 1: a curtain call pretty much telling you it was his
Speaker 1: last match for a while. But they still made sure
Speaker 1: to kill him in storyline. The Heels beat him down,
Speaker 1: they pilmanized him, he was taken out on a stretcher.
Speaker 1: He's getting neck surgery and he's gonna be gone for
Speaker 1: a while. And I don't know if Swerve is getting
Speaker 1: knee surgery, but he's got it torn meniscus and they
Speaker 1: did an injury angle afterwards that very much seemed like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out of action with knee surgery.
Speaker 5: But I guess we'll see.
Speaker 4: Luckily, out of all the surgeries, I think the meniscus
Speaker 4: is probably the one that heals like the fastest, definitely,
Speaker 4: certainly more than an ACL or or PCL or any
Speaker 4: of the other things. Because I know I've had a
Speaker 4: minister's scope in the past. I think you have too, Brian, Right, No,
Speaker 4: I haven't no, oh.
Speaker 5: A surgeon to call me. It's been almost a year.
Speaker 4: Hey, you might have to come down here. I can
Speaker 4: hook you up. Bro.
Speaker 1: At this point, it's about ninety nine percent, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'll probably get it done someday. But I mean,
Speaker 1: the only time I ever have a problem is sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll be rolling and I'll turn my foot a certain
Speaker 1: way and it'll be like weird, and then I have
Speaker 1: to stop and like bend it and it goes back
Speaker 1: and then I'm fine. But like I have no problems,
Speaker 1: Like I can run, jump, sprint, walk, play with the kids.
Speaker 1: I have no problems whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Would you be able to jump high enough to give
Speaker 4: me a high five?
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that before I tore my meniscus because
Speaker 1: you're freakily long arms it.
Speaker 4: Thanks for taking the bait.
Speaker 1: You're an idiot, absolute idiot. I got a scoop for everybody,
Speaker 1: kind of Apparently mbop wasn't that expensive. I know that's
Speaker 1: hard to believe, but apparently Hanson let it go cheap.
Speaker 1: So I'm hoping that'll be like their new music for
Speaker 1: the Young Bucks, because that was their music back in
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 5: And I've been waiting.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting in decades, almost as long as I
Speaker 1: waited for uh Basic Thugonomics to return for John Cena.
Speaker 5: I've been waiting for mbop to return.
Speaker 4: And almost as long as you waited for the Golden
Speaker 4: Eagle to come back.
Speaker 5: The winged Eagle is that what it is?
Speaker 4: Wing it the golden Eagles like kobeeb nor maca metof
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 1: I think, so yeah, And then everything else on the show,
Speaker 1: I mean, the only other thing people are talking about
Speaker 1: is obviously the hurt syndicate not doing the job. But
Speaker 1: I mean, do we need to spend time on that.
Speaker 1: I think we all knew that was gonna happen, right.
Speaker 4: What happened at the finish of that match?
Speaker 5: What happened at the finish?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Dak's like kicked out.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I don't think he kicked out. Listen,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody tell me what happened. But the
Speaker 1: belief is that because Brodido's finish kind of looked ugly,
Speaker 1: I think maybe the ref counted and then like Bendido
Speaker 1: kind of got off and he was gonna do something
Speaker 1: else because the finish looked bad, and then the ref
Speaker 1: was like, no, just I'm gonna count. It was weird
Speaker 1: one way or the other. But Brodido are the new champions.
Speaker 4: So good stuff.
Speaker 5: Back in a moment Observer.
Speaker 2: Live, you were listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian
Speaker 2: Albarez and Mike Sempervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: You know, we had so much going on today, Tom
Speaker 1: that one of the very important things to discuss never
Speaker 1: got discussed, which is how are you feeling? I see
Speaker 1: you're sitting down.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I just got out of I had pt
Speaker 4: earlier this morning, so I feel a little bit better
Speaker 4: after moving around, you know, but uh still, you know,
Speaker 4: some swelling, some pain, but hopefully that's all stuff that's
Speaker 4: to be expected. And uh from here it's onwards and
Speaker 4: upwards and then outwards.
Speaker 5: Excellent. So you're here Wednesday, I shall be.
Speaker 4: That is my plan. I'm back.
Speaker 5: Good to hear brother, Well.
Speaker 4: Wednesday missed one day.
Speaker 5: One.
Speaker 1: Maybe on Wednesday we can talk about the return of Speed.
Speaker 4: Oh please please thank you for saving that till the end,
Speaker 4: because if you would have gotten into this earlier, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure my heart could have handled the discussion about
Speaker 4: my beloved Speed coming back. Although they didn't mention if
Speaker 4: the men's titles coming with it, they did say.
Speaker 1: No, I think I think the Speed titled. I think
Speaker 1: they said the Speed titles.
Speaker 5: Ah, so uh yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Got we should talk about that because I got questions.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we got to wrap it up, everybody. I'll
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