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Speaker 1: Problem solved, tuck down, Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty, right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared and nobody here's Paul Calvic. Well. We could start

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Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Underground the way so many any

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Speaker 1: conversations starts say in the workplace, you're walking down the hallway,

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Speaker 1: how you doing, Hey, I don't I don't you know,

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Speaker 1: however you want to say it, how you doing? I

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Speaker 1: once had a boss Felipe, because you look intrigued by this.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden you're on the edge of your scene,

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Speaker 1: all right, Paul Calvc Darren Irvan Felipe Corral Junior had

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Speaker 1: a boss, literally is my first day on the job.

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Speaker 1: He was the big cheese and he said to me, Now, Paul,

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Speaker 1: when I run into you in the hallway and I

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Speaker 1: say how are you doing, I just want a one

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Speaker 1: or two word answer. I really don't want an honest

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Speaker 1: answer to that question. I don't want, okay, any drama

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Speaker 1: and just be on your way. That is sort of

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Speaker 1: the understanding. And at five and zero, I mean, there

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Speaker 1: really are no legitimate complaints, are there? Now? Am I

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Speaker 1: capable of complaining? Absolutely? I'll bring it and I'll talk

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Speaker 1: about the power rankings or maybe this Sunday night football

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Speaker 1: matchup and why don't they even get this stinking two

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Speaker 1: maybe we could even sight Chandler Jones right now. But honestly, legitimately,

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Speaker 1: there are no complaints when not only are you five

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Speaker 1: and oh when the win lost column, but for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 1: You're even five and oz in Coin tosses, so I

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Speaker 1: don't want to hear any small change complaining on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Underground. Is that for Pete Carroll's sake?

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Speaker 1: I'm talking no, no, absolutely not. I'm just saying, nobody

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Speaker 1: Are you? It's like, um, you'd be like watching ted

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Speaker 1: Lasso without ted Lasso. I mean, what what what? What

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Speaker 1: value is there on watching the Seahawks and Sunday Night

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Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson's not a quarterback? Zero? Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: What is the flex rule? Why isn't Baker against Kyler

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Speaker 1: in Sunday Night Football? Ten days? Is that? What's ten

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Speaker 1: days out? And if you're gonna ask why Baker and

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Speaker 1: Kyler on Sunday Night Football, the questions should have been

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Speaker 1: why didn't they put them there? I guess in May

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Speaker 1: when they put out the schedule, not now. If you

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Speaker 1: go back to Cardinals Underground after the schedule. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to see two two and three teams? Did we

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Speaker 1: not whine and complain about that? We were mystified back then?

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Speaker 1: Why Baker again, it's kinda wasn't on Sunday Night Football

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Speaker 1: having night games. I hate night games. Why don't hate him? Though?

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Speaker 1: But fleepas at that point in his life, I mean

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Speaker 1: More of my sentences have to end in comma bro.

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Speaker 1: you just talk to Holmes and say like blah blah

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Speaker 1: that chief that was so like twenty two years ago.

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Speaker 1: Come on, I know it gets under almost skin, though.

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Speaker 1: Just don't end your day by crying at the microphone

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Speaker 1: But you know, just crying and wiping your eyes up tears,

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Speaker 1: no sympathy when you're so happens when you're five and ol.

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Speaker 1: gotta love the feeling. Gotta love the feeling. Paw. By

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Speaker 1: That was basically the game that we all knew that

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Speaker 1: continuing down this road with Trey Lance, he's gonna end

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Speaker 1: up like RG three. He's already hurt. He already had

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Speaker 1: a spring He woke up overnight coming off the Cardinals game,

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Speaker 1: at least according to this story they're telling the media,

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Speaker 1: and his knee was hurting him and went in for

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Speaker 1: an MRI and he has a spring knee. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean what I saw for most of that game was

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and fifteen Panthers and Cam Newton. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's what it looked like, running him between the tackles.

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Speaker 1: QB power, QB power. So you know, I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't know where that goes. I mean, he is not

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Speaker 1: enough of a I mean, they don't have the receivers

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Speaker 1: to make up for his inaccuracy. So I don't think

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers can do much throwing the ball,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be super curious to know what they do

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Speaker 1: this weekend if Garoppolo was still banged up and can't

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Speaker 1: operate the way he wants to. And Lance came, oh no,

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Speaker 1: they're on to buy this buy Oh well, see, then

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So but but supposedly they expect Jimmy

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Speaker 1: I R. Or Jimmy G back for that game, and

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Speaker 1: so maybe they lug out. But but getting back to Lance,

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love I can see why they

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Speaker 1: like him. I would, personally, the way this season is

447
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Speaker 1: going for them, I would seriously think about playing him

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Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. Now, maybe they they might see some

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Speaker 1: things differently, and maybe Jimmy g rips up the Cardinals

450
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Speaker 1: a little bit more with more accurate passes. But he

451
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Speaker 1: certainly doesn't move around that well, and he might have

452
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Speaker 1: been sacked a few times Trey Lance somehow got away

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Speaker 1: from him. So I don't know what the best thing

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Speaker 1: would be for them, And I'll be curious to know

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Speaker 1: who the Cardinals face the next time they see the Niners.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's an interesting thing. And getting

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Speaker 1: back to what you were saying, Felipe, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I guess you could always maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm too far removed from that at this point.

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Speaker 1: I don't the disrespect thing. I just don't. I don't

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Speaker 1: get it. If you're going for if you're going on

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Speaker 1: fourth downs because you disrespect the team, what the hell

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Speaker 1: I think you're going forward on fourth downs because you're

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Speaker 1: afraid you're kicker who you're using a backup who's already

465
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Speaker 1: been on two different teams, and you don't know if

466
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Speaker 1: he can necess really be consistent kicking from that far

467
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Speaker 1: away you believe you can run over. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: can talk about disrespect, but the reality is the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: went into that game giving up five and a half

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Speaker 1: yards a carry. So are you really disrespecting a team

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Speaker 1: that's giving up five yards a carry? I don't. How

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Speaker 1: can they? How can you say that's disrespect when you've

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Speaker 1: earned whatever respect you have. So I just think that

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Speaker 1: he thought that was best for his team, and the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals just came up big and ended up being a

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Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, you're Kyle Shanahan. You have two

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Speaker 1: rookie running backs undrafted guy, Well, the one was a

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Speaker 1: Elijah Mitchell was a sixth round pick actually, but You're

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Speaker 1: leading rusher was Trey Lance at eighty nine yards, rushing

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Speaker 1: five and a half yards a carry. Once again, no

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Speaker 1: matter who's in the secondary for the Cardinals, they have

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Speaker 1: taken the opponent's number one receiving threat out of the game,

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. Yeah, a nice touchdown run, but that was

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Speaker 1: on a pitch. In terms of the passing game, was

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel a factor No. Nine targets, three receptions for

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Speaker 1: fifty eight yards and coming in again, you didn't have

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Speaker 1: biber marifew Michael Wilson. So is that that's Avenge Joseph

488
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Speaker 1: design or scheme or something. These all the kudos of

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Speaker 1: Advance shows of obviously, I'm just echoing with Challeon Jones

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Speaker 1: said after the game months someday, I mean, you check

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Speaker 1: that box once again. They've rendered the opponent's number one

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Speaker 1: receiving thread and non factor nine targets three catches for

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Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. A week after was thirteen targets, five catches

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Speaker 1: for Cooper cup A, j Brown and Julio Jones. In

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Speaker 1: week one, non Factor Jacksonville couldn't get their guys going,

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Speaker 1: justin Jefferson Adam feeling, did they wreck that game. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: So whatever the Cardinals are doing in terms of their coverages,

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Speaker 1: it's working against the opponents number one receiver. Thing is

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Speaker 1: the rushing yards are stole up. And by the way, Darren,

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Speaker 1: to answer your question about what you face in a

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Speaker 1: Browns team, there right now leads the NFL. This is

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Speaker 1: going to take a moment. Guys. They lead the NFL

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Speaker 1: in total rushing yards yards per game, one eighty eight

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Speaker 1: yards per carry, their number one five point four rushing touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: their number one with a dozen rushing first downs. There

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Speaker 1: number one with fifty one and explosives rushing plays of

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Speaker 1: twenty yards or more. They're number one. Okay, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: let me stop you here. Okay, please do How could

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Speaker 1: you possibly have stirred up any crap with the Browns

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Speaker 1: fans about Baker Mayfield If they don't even need Baker Mayfield,

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Speaker 1: they just hand the ball to those two guys. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I didn't do it, as Robert Alford's quote,

513
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Speaker 1: all I did with stirred up. I'll just send it out.

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Speaker 1: And then that polarized the fan base because apparently half

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Speaker 1: of them are on board of giving them the big contract,

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Speaker 1: like Josh Allen and half of them definitely are not.

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Speaker 1: That's what I can glean and ascertain based on that

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Speaker 1: one tweet and trying to take the pulse of the

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Speaker 1: Browns fan base. Now, we'll get a better sense when

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Speaker 1: we fly into Seatown this weekend. But that town, ask

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Speaker 1: them what they think of Baker Mayfild. We'll go over

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Speaker 1: to the Rock and Roll Museum, the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, we'll star will take a little fans.

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Speaker 1: Just ask every fan there, what do you guys think

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Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield? But I mean forty two points last week?

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Speaker 1: Baker was through for like three hundred yards, two touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: they don't know interceptions. I think it's a happy marriage

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Speaker 1: between Baker and that coaching staff, having Nick Chubb and

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Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. I think they're figuring out a way to

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Speaker 1: really make it work. I mean, think about it. They

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Speaker 1: didn't have they don't have their two top receivers. OBJ

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Speaker 1: obviously is coming back from injury, so he's been a

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Speaker 1: little bit slow and you still put up forty two points.

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Speaker 1: How could you not be happy with Baker Mayfield at

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Speaker 1: that point. That's that's how that was going through my mind, Like,

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Speaker 1: how are you gonna be so mad at the guy

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Speaker 1: when he put up forty plus will help you put

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Speaker 1: up forty plus points and then I mean, no, no interception,

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Speaker 1: don't turn over none of that. And that was his

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Speaker 1: Russell Crowe from Gladiator. I guess are you not entertained?

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Speaker 1: That's what he's telling the Browns fans right Baker Mayfield

542
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: has that Kirk Cousins vibe and that's what is killing

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Speaker 1: him right now, that whole thing where you've got good

544
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Speaker 1: numbers and he feels pretty good and by most metrics,

545
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Speaker 1: you're like, why why would we ever complain about him?

546
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Speaker 1: And yet there's this fog that hangs over all, like

547
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Speaker 1: then they can't be the guy, which if you're saying

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Speaker 1: the guy in terms of what in terms of winning

549
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowls, there's only like two of those guys right now,

550
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: like in terms of guys who have actually won Super

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Speaker 1: Bowls are playing. Could you say that Baker is to

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00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 1: the Browns fans with the Cardinals defense is to Cardinals

553
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Speaker 1: fans in that the defense has been in gashed in

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Speaker 1: the run game repeatedly. Yet look at it. Over the

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Speaker 1: last two games, they've only allowed twenty seven points the

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Speaker 1: Rams and Niners came in as both top five, top

557
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Speaker 1: six scoring offenses in the NFL, and they've held them

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Speaker 1: to twenty seven points combined in the last two weeks,

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Speaker 1: and one of those touchdowns was a garbage touchdown in

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Speaker 1: LA with about a minute to go. You're talking about

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Speaker 1: a Cardinals defense where only Buffalo and Denver have allowed

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Speaker 1: fewer offensive points than the Cardinals defense. Yet I don't

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Speaker 1: sense an overwhelming majority of the Cardinals fan base is

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Speaker 1: a big believer necessarily in the Cardinals defense. Right now?

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Speaker 1: Do you run the mail back? I mean it, actually,

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Speaker 1: I mean I haven't since that lately. I do agree

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Speaker 1: that there's a certain but see, every fan base is

568
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Speaker 1: like this. It's just like, you know, you're sending out

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Speaker 1: these grenade tweets to the Cleveland fan base. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how well things are going, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: find something that's wrong. And I guarantee the sky will

572
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Speaker 1: be falling this week if the Cardinals lose to Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: because that's what fans do. I mean, last week I

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Speaker 1: was looking at some of the Rams fall out and

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Speaker 1: before they beat the Seahawks, It's like, oh my god,

576
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Speaker 1: our defense is terrible. We can't stop anybody. They had

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Speaker 1: one really bad game against a really good offensive team

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Speaker 1: against Arizona, but it didn't matter. We stink our defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator should be fired and all that stuff, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and that's part of you know, it's funny with Cleveland

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Speaker 1: because it's like, if my team lost forty seven to

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Speaker 1: forty two, my first thought wouldn't be what did the

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Speaker 1: quarterback do wrong? I mean, if you want to take

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Speaker 1: it out on someone, take it out on Lebron. Lebron

585
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: was in at it, said so fine. And there it

586
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: was Lebron looking at it and trying to cheer on

587
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Speaker 1: his Browns. And you know, but Lebron left you guys

588
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: high and dry, although he did deliver an NBA title.

589
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: I get it, the one championship they've had and multiple generations,

590
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: but you know, I find another one who's gonna be

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00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: How about all these injuries for the Browns, I mean

592
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. You got bigger issues than just a quarterback thing.

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00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: When you're missing both your starting tackles, when your top

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00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: three corners were out of that game by the end

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Speaker 1: of the game. You look at how this game turned

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Speaker 1: because they were up. They've led twenty seven thirteen the

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Speaker 1: Browns over the Chargers, and then the Chargers went for

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Speaker 1: twenty six and the fourth quarter and that's because you're

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Speaker 1: playing only your fourth and fifth string cornerbacks and they

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Speaker 1: got absolutely lit up well. And that's what happened, Philippe

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Speaker 1: to the Colts, I mean, they were they were playing

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Speaker 1: their two main cornerbacks down the stretch against the Ravens

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Speaker 1: on Monday night, were practice squad guys because they have

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Speaker 1: so many injuries and that's why ultimately, you know, as

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Speaker 1: horrible as the injury was to Max Williams, that's why

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Speaker 1: I center Rodney Hudson is out for a couple of weeks.

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00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: That is why Chandler Jones being on the COVID list,

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Speaker 1: or Bayern Murphy may miss another game. Nobody gives a crap.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Cardinals fans give a crap. But I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not like this team is any more worse for

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Speaker 1: wear than most other teams and that and that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately, that's where it comes down to five and

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Speaker 1: oh is great. Anything the Cardinals can do is great,

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Speaker 1: But this is this is such a contest, and I

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00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: mean the NFL season of attrition and who who actually

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Speaker 1: is helped. I mean, look at the Chiefs partially lost

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year is because they had no

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Speaker 1: healthy offensive lineman and they couldn't stop that pass rush.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just one of those situations to

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Speaker 1: me where you know last year, you know, believe it

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Speaker 1: or not, they failed to adapt halfway through the season,

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Speaker 1: right there were six, six and three at some point,

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Speaker 1: and for whatever reason they failed to adapt, they didn't

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I think if those three, well, Maximum's

625
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Speaker 1: obviously is gonna be out. If Challenge Jones, if Rodney

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Speaker 1: Hudson are out for a couple a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: or a week or two or whatever, how are you

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Speaker 1: gonna adapt? I think that's the biggest thing that I

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Speaker 1: want to see from this Cardinals team. Are you gonna,

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Speaker 1: you know, find ways to pressure the quarterback to stop

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Speaker 1: the run even without Challenge Jones. Are you gonna find

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Speaker 1: a way to keep Kyler Murray clean and help hopefully

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Speaker 1: he continues to be dominant from the pocket without Rodney Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna find a way to replace Max Williams,

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, I mean, he did a bunch

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Speaker 1: of things offensively from protecting from you know, some of

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00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: the passes that he caught, important passes that he caught.

638
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean that Week four touchdown. How are you going

639
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: to adapt to the circumstances. And I feel like if

640
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals find a way to adapt early on in

641
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: the season, I think, oh, you know, it'll be positive.

642
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: I'll give him some type of confidence for the rest

643
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: of the season. I will give him that feeling of like,

644
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: all right, then we were able to do something that

645
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: we didn't do last year. And I think that's gonna,

646
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: you know, give him confidence moving forward. Well, if he

647
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: asked me here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you by

648
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation, I think maybe this is where you're driving.

649
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: What impressed you most about that win against the forty

650
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: nine ers right up there would be finding a different

651
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: way to win. You didn't go for thirty plus and

652
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: four hundred plus yards. You found a different way to

653
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: win with different players and missing your top two corners,

654
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: and you were able to innovate and devise a way

655
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: to get a victory. Even though the Niners were removing

656
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: the ball once again eight to nine times, they ended

657
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: up into Cardinals territory on their drives. They ran the ball,

658
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, But the Cardinals made the plays when they

659
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: needed to, and after scoring on the opening drive and

660
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: then the big drought and scoring near the end of

661
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: the game. Although the past that should have made it

662
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: fourteen nothing out of a hundred times. That's the one

663
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: time out of a hundred where Kyler Murray does not

664
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: connect with a wide open DeAndre Hopkins crapping on that

665
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: play exactly. I still never saw the full replay. He

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: threw behind him a little bit right from where I

667
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: was standing there field level. He had a bunch of

668
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: traffic in his face, so we went sidearm and try

669
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: to get it around guys and into the end zone,

670
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: and I think he realized that d hop was so open,

671
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: I can just fling it and he'll make the catch.

672
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: But to your point, Phelipe was behind him enough that

673
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: I think it caught d hop I surprise enough that

674
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't anywhere near being on the money and then boom,

675
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: it went through his hands if you look at the replay.

676
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: So but once again, they could do that a thousand times,

677
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: and that's the one time they don't connect on that,

678
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: So it easily could have been fourteen nothing. To that point.

679
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't It was a game, but we all know

680
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: how it's gone against Kyle Shannon and the Niners in

681
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: the past. They now have two NFC West wins, which

682
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: matches the total of division wins from a year ago.

683
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 1: Once again, no legitimate way you can complain here at

684
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: five and oh and that's the thing that stresses me

685
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: out because you hear it stresses you out. It stresses

686
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: me out because I was watching Monday Night Football and

687
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: I was watching Randy Moss. They asked them, you know,

688
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: are the Cardinals for you? And he kept going back to, no,

689
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: they're not for you. The Bills are the best team

690
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL for X, Y and Z reasons. But

691
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: if you look back at the schedule that week one,

692
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: dominant went on the road against the Titans. You beat

693
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: their Rams on the road. You find a gritty way

694
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: to win against a divisional opponent. They found every single

695
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: manageable way, uh a way to win these close games

696
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: or these you know, you dominate the Rams, who were

697
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: number one going into that Week four matchup, and someone

698
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: still finds a way to discredit this. Well, was he

699
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: just saying they aren't as good as the Bills? Like

700
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: their pretenders, is the number one team or is he

701
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: saying no, No, they asked them, are they for real?

702
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: Do you consider them, you know, the best team in

703
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: the NFL? And I mean, at this point, there's there's

704
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: not a legitimate argument that you can make because they

705
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: found a way to win in as many ways possibly

706
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: You beat the Titans on the own on the road

707
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: by twenty plus, you beat the Rams on the road

708
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: by I think fifteen seventeen points or whatever, and then

709
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: you still find a way to be a divisional opponent

710
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: at home, someone that you struggled against. And I just

711
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: don't get it. But at the same time, I get

712
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: it because they've never necessarily got in the credit that

713
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: they deserved at a national level. I will say that

714
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: it's I don't really care about power rankings or what

715
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 1: everybody says, because everybody's got to say something when crap,

716
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: we're saying something every week here. But I will say

717
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: that if this team wants to continue to say they're

718
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: not going to get complacent, it's real easy not to

719
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: get complacent if everybody on the outside continues to say

720
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: I really don't think they're that good, because I don't

721
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: care what they say about we're not listening to the noise.

722
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: Of course they listen to the noise. That is so

723
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: much malarkey. I can't even begin to tell you that

724
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: they don't listen to the noise. Everybody knows what the

725
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: noise is, including Cliff Kingsbury. Now that doesn't mean it

726
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: impacts them a ton. But if you don't think that

727
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: having a bunch of national people sitting there saying we

728
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: don't think they're for real is going to impact them,

729
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: I completely disagree, and I absolutely think they will use that.

730
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Well they're not going to say it, but they'll use it.

731
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: I'll give you a small example. NFL network was talking

732
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: about the Cardinals win and then everyone stopped and they

733
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: sort of looked at each other, and a couple of

734
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: analysts said, you know, I didn't realize Arizona Cardinals could win. Ugly,

735
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: there's still this hint of a moniker of pretty boy

736
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: football out there. There's still those who think that it's

737
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: an air raid offense and it's just erroneous, but it's

738
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: still out there on a national level. Here's a great

739
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: point to just what you're saying. I just talked to

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00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: Justin p last week about running it that all runs

741
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: field goal drive. At the end of the leven run up,

742
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I said something along the lines of is there something

743
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: And I couldn't come up with a really good question,

744
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: but I essentially said, does the testosterone really get going

745
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 1: when you get to like pound away on another team?

746
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: And does that does that mean anything to you? And

747
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: goes well, he basically, and I'm paraphrasing, he basically said,

748
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: we're it's good that we proved ourselves we could do it.

749
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: But he goes, I don't I don't care what anybody

750
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: thinks about us. I don't care if people call us

751
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: the air raid offense or pretty boy football. He actually

752
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: brought that up. They know what's being said, and Justin

753
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Pugh's point was basically, if we're scoring a bunch of

754
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: points and it's through the air on horizontal passes, what

755
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: do I care? Which is probably a good way to

756
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: take it. Now. I think they need to do this

757
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: other stuff like win gritty, win ugly, all that stuff,

758
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: But they absolutely are aware. But wasn't it Chase after

759
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: the Rams game that stood there at the podium and

760
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: said he had a pregame conversation or has been talking

761
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: to James Connor about let's get rid of that moniker. Yeah,

762
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: but and that's what I brought up to your point.

763
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: They're aware of it. Of course they are. I mean,

764
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: we again, this idea that players, no matter what they

765
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: want to say, are in this cave and never listening

766
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: to stuff is not real. Even if they're not paying

767
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: attention to it. I guarantee you there's somebody in their

768
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: family that is paying attention to it and is letting

769
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: them know. Now, maybe they're turning around and saying I'd

770
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: rather not hear this bro or sis or dad or wife,

771
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: but I guarantee you they're hearing this stuff because I've

772
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: been around it for way too long, and it's just

773
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: not true that they're not paying attention. And if it's fuel,

774
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: if it's motivation, it's not a bad thing. I don't

775
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: mind it. I mean, even if it is concocted to

776
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: some degree, or you're taking numberge just as something to

777
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: rally around, it's not a bad thing. The two thousand

778
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: and eight Cardinals, Lets shock the world, the worst playoff

779
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: team ever, in the words of Chrisconsword that coalesced and

780
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: geled an entire locker room and said, let's go get them.

781
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: That was something that they used as a rallying cry. Great, okay,

782
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: But if you find motivation in that, it's not the

783
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: worst thing in the world. And to that point too.

784
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like we're ignoying fully Pigan, but I

785
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: feel bad and he wasn't around it thousand and eight.

786
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: But UM working in this in the Cardinals Folktale series,

787
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: which we all are are taking part in right now,

788
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: and we're in the middle of. Um. One of the

789
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: videos that I'm directing is is about that stretch run

790
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight and the snow Day game.

791
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: And and if you go back to talk to people

792
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: now there is some talking. You know, they will acknowledge

793
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: the Collins worst stuff, but then there's there's other stuff.

794
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: And in the moment, I think it mattered now when

795
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: they look back, you know, and and let's face it,

796
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: Chris Collins, we're saying they're the worst playoff team ever.

797
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: Probably gave them a little bit of a spark. But

798
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: what gave them more of a spark was the fact

799
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: that Larry Fitzgerald had the best playoff run of all time,

800
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,919
Speaker 1: that they had a Hall of Fame quarterback, that their

801
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: defense started playing at a level that it consistently that

802
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: it hadn't played all season, and that Edrin James, who

803
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: can was thought was basically washed up at that point,

804
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: basically became the running back he had always been in

805
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: the playoffs. That's why they won on that playoff front.

806
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: Now they need they needed something to rally around, and

807
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: I think there was some of that, but it still

808
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: goes to this what we're talking about now, which is

809
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: if Kyler Murray plays like MVP type stuff and DeAndre

810
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: Hopkins goes over and snatches touchdown catches away from Josh

811
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: Norman and this defense stops teams on eighty percent of

812
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: their fourth downs, it doesn't matter what they rally around.

813
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: They're winning because of the talent. If JJ Watt is

814
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: becoming a wrecking ball again, that's why they're gonna win games.

815
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: It is because of the talent on the field. Well, look,

816
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, the betting favorites for MVP according to

817
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: Vegas was Matthew Stafford and Kyler Murray. That was so

818
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Now it's Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.

819
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: Just look at how this goes. So if Kyler is

820
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: trying to keep pace with those other guys, who are

821
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: seemingly in the race. Okay, guess what your term now,

822
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: and you're going against Baker Mayfield, I'll tell you. As

823
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: long as we're talking about rollbacks. I did like hearing

824
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 1: DJ Humphries tell the media that this similarity he sees

825
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: between this team and the two fifteen team. And by

826
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: the way, I was on the edge of my sea

827
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking, oh, here it comes what Pauli Pigskins

828
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: say a few weeks ago that this offense reminds him

829
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: of the two fifteen offense that set all those records

830
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: and lend the NFL and all those different categories. And

831
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: of course DJ Humphries went a totally different direction and

832
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: he said, no, that's not what reminds him of twenty fifteen.

833
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: It's how and his words, no one hesitates to hold

834
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: each other accountable in the locker room. That when guys

835
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: don't have any fear of saying what needs to be said,

836
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: and you police yourselves in the locker room, which is

837
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: exactly one of the boxes that Steve Kind wanted to check.

838
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: One of the directives and objectives of the offseason. Sorry, Kyle,

839
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: leadership is what he's talking about, And that was part

840
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: of the offseason plan that was intriguing to hear. GJ.

841
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: Humphries cite that is a similarity to the twenty fifteen

842
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: team that lost to Cam Newton and the QB Power

843
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: in the championship game. You kind of have to believe

844
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: that because you added guys like aj Green, James Connor,

845
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, that this Arizona Cardinals team is top five

846
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: in offense and top five in defense, the only team

847
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: in the NFL that is in top five in both categories.

848
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: That veteran leadership has really made a difference. I mean,

849
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: that's the reason why they're playing so physical, physical, right,

850
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: That's the reason why you know they did start five

851
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: and that's the reason why Kyler Murray has been playing

852
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: at a high level. When you had a guy like

853
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, that's the reason why this running game had

854
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: continues to flourish and and improve weekend and week out.

855
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: Because you added guys like James Connor, you have the

856
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: one of the top wide receiver groups in the NFL. Again,

857
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: credit to having Ajan Green in there and taking away

858
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that pressure from DeAndre Hopkins, which you

859
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: saw that kind of payoff in week five, right after

860
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Ajan Green had two consecutive great games against the Jaguars

861
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: and against the Rams. You saw a lot of one

862
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: on one matches for DeAndre Hopkins and I had essentially

863
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: won you the game. You have to go back to

864
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: giving Steve Kim kudos right for all the off season,

865
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: offseason additions that he had. It's just made all the

866
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: difference in the world. And I think that's why it's

867
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: a you know, different team from twenty fifteen. Believe it

868
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: or not. I haven't watched Wired in its entirety this

869
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: week featuring James Connor. I will tell you that the

870
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: people who shot it, the camera people, raved about it

871
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: and just the kind of guy James Connor is, how

872
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: fired up, how amped up, how intense he was on

873
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: game day. You watch some of the clips the Cardinals

874
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: are tweeted out, you get a sense of that the

875
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Cardinals came out on that opening drive. And I can

876
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: tell you, based on his TV show clip Kingsbury, the

877
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: one thing that was gnawn about him about the offense.

878
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: For all the accolades and all the number one rankings,

879
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: Felipe as you site, they had yet to score a

880
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: touchdown on the opening drive, and that's something that Kyle

881
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: Shanahan historically has been very good at. How many times

882
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: have the Cardinals played the Niners and then Irons come

883
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: out with this ridiculous opening drive and you're seeing an

884
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: entire early new approach and personnel groups and formations, and

885
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: then there's Kyle us Check with three fullback screens on

886
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: that opening drive, remember that once in Santa Clair, and

887
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: they punch it in. So Cliff Kingsbury made a comment

888
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: a week ago on his TV show that yeah, we

889
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: had that opening drive fuel goal. Since then, it's been

890
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: a trio of three and outs. So they come out

891
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: in this game, boom, they go down the field, they

892
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: get the touchdown. But it was how they got the touchdown.

893
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: It was third and one at the forty three James

894
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: Connor twenty two dive Wolf lost his mind. Look at that.

895
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: That's the fullback, the twenty two dive James Connor. And

896
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: then they're at the goal line and on the touchdown run.

897
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: And I asked Cliff Kingsbury if one set up the other,

898
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 1: because now they're in a similar formation, similar personnel group,

899
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: and maybe the night is singing an old boy. Here

900
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: comes number six again, right, through the B gap. Nope,

901
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: quick pitch to the outside and boom, he's easily into

902
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: the end zone. And so just the sequence. So I'm

903
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: the last guy who's qualified to judge play calling, but

904
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: I can tell you there does seem to be a

905
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: sentiment among a number of players that even the play

906
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: calling is better this year, not just the play and

907
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: the caliber in the locker room and the guys on

908
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: the field, but even off the play sheet. So I

909
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: think you are seeing an evolution not just to the

910
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: personnel and what they've added to make a more dynamic,

911
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: more varied so it's not as easy to lock in

912
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: on tendencies when you're able to run and pass and

913
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 1: doing in different ways in a power scheme, but also

914
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: with empty backfield and all that. It's just it seems

915
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: to be a case where if I'm a defensive coordinator,

916
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: you're really left guessing exactly what the Cardinals are going

917
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: to be doing from drive to drive, play to play. Well,

918
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: hopefully that will continue even again with the injuries. I mean,

919
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: I think Max Williams was part of that because they

920
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: were using the tight end a little bit more in

921
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: some different ways, and now you aren't going to have

922
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: Max Williams, So what does that mean exactly? You know,

923
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds was banged up a little bit. I do

924
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: think that impacted some of the things they did with him.

925
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: Now they use Rondale more and more against the forty

926
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: nine ers, which was good, and I could see Rondale

927
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: Moore playing another big role in this game. But you

928
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: got to you gotta be able to stay healthy, and

929
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: you got to be able to have these guys out

930
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: there to do these different things. I mean, even Kyler

931
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: admitted after the game when Max Williams got hurt that

932
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: it impacted stuff because he's out there on almost every

933
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: play with some kind of role and it's not like

934
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: you can't plug another tight end in there. But is

935
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: he going to be as good as a blocker? You know,

936
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: pro football focus is not the end all be all,

937
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: but Max Williams was had grades seventy and above in

938
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 1: both rum blocking and pass blocking in in the past game,

939
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: which is hard to do. Uh, And that just tells

940
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: you what a well rounded and that's a good grade

941
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: seventy plus, so that tells you what kind of year

942
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: he's having. By the way, that was astute question you

943
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: asked about whether the loss of Max Williams really resulted

944
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: in an emotional toll. It was a click, right. I

945
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: actually asked both of them, both of them, and I

946
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 1: think I might ask somebody else too, but I I

947
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: felt it dead absolute when you see every player leave

948
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: the sideline. I mean, that was on everyone's mind and

949
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: there's and there's no doubt they stalled from that point forward.

950
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: And I think Kyler has said it too in weeks

951
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: or months before that. Some of the best teams he's

952
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: ever been on, those teams are the chemistry is top notch,

953
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: and I think that's important. And you saw it on

954
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: that specific scenario whatnot when Max Williams they'd get hurt

955
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: and you saw you see everybody run over to him,

956
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: like they didn't just walk, They ran over there, make

957
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: sure that you know he's good and whatnot. So you

958
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: just as you know it's gonna suck. But I guess

959
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: the silver lining of it is you kind of had

960
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: you kind of got a glimpse of how close and

961
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: you know how close that this team is because it's

962
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: gonna come a long way as the season progresses. Well,

963
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to be close when you're winning,

964
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm just like I said earlier about

965
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: you get galvanized over some stuff, but ultimately comes down

966
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: to who you have playing the games is whether you're

967
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: gonna win or not. And I feel the same way

968
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff. I mean, I think Max

969
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: is a great dude, and I think most people do so.

970
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: I think, uh, everybody might have gone over there anyways

971
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: for Max William's sake. But in terms of when we

972
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: talk about chemistry, it's you're gonna have chemistry when you're five,

973
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: and oh it's it's easy to feel and we we've

974
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: all been through it before, where if things are going

975
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: well in your workplace, you tend to like the guy

976
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: that maybe you don't necessarily love that much all the time.

977
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: You can you can tolerate them a little bit more

978
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: when things are going well. And I feel like that's

979
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: part of this too, the chemistry. If they continue to win,

980
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: the chemistry is only going to get better. I'm pretty

981
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: sure Darren was looking at you fully he was. He

982
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: started off looking at you, and when once he started

983
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: talking about the guy that you don't always like some

984
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: n maybe it's both of us, actually we're both wearing that.

985
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I guess the Actually, I kept waiting for you

986
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to invoke Kyle, Like, what are you trying to channel? Kyle?

987
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: Do they need to trade for a tight end? Do

988
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: they need a trade for one? Do they need another

989
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: tight end, more of a pass catching tight end that

990
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: they don't currently have on the roster after the loss

991
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: of Max Williams. That is the question. Can they adapt

992
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: and evolve without a pass catching tight end because I mean,

993
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing one on this depth chart right here. Well,

994
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean I would think. I do think that Ross

995
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: Travis showed some things in training camp in terms of

996
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: catching the ball to Patrius Harris did too, but that

997
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: was training camp. Well, you're right, and I'm not. I'm

998
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: not denying that. The problem you're you're gonna have is like, Okay,

999
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 1: who are we talking about? I hope you're not talking

1000
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: about a certain Eagles tight end that everybody kept talking

1001
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: about once upon a time this season. Going by the way,

1002
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: I have not looked Zach from everything I understand, he's

1003
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: in a better place. Number one, the Eagles are coming

1004
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: off a win, so it's still early enough where maybe

1005
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: they think they can do some things. And more importantly, today,

1006
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones wasn't the only one that went on the

1007
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: COVID list, so did Dallas Godert got it. So he's

1008
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: their other main tight end. So you're not you're not

1009
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: trading zach Ertz right now. I just I feel like

1010
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: if you do, if there is a trade out there,

1011
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 1: and I'd have to look to see if there's somebody available,

1012
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: I just don't know who would be and who's willing

1013
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 1: to give it up. And more importantly, the Lions are

1014
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: jimalm Hunter throughout. Darren Fells from Lions, former Cardinal Lions

1015
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: are all in five, they're done. Start just partying with players.

1016
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: Maybe how quickly, how quickly do those guys get integrated

1017
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: into what they're doing? The Dan Arnold see I heard

1018
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: somebody say, dan Arnold, here's the problem with Dan Arnold.

1019
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold can't block. And one of the reasons Max

1020
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Williams was so good was because you could use him

1021
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: in the both those areas. I'd rather see a Darren Fells,

1022
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: who he's not a great blocker, but he's a bigger dude.

1023
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Dan Arnold for me, is still and I like Dan Arnold.

1024
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: He's a glorified wide receiver and I just don't think

1025
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: he fits in what you're trying to do now. One

1026
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: of the reasons dan Arnold did get some run last

1027
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: year was they didn't really have four good receivers. You

1028
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: got those guys now, so you know. And look, there's

1029
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: something going on with dan Arnol because the Cardinals didn't

1030
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: resign him. The Carolina Panthers just traded him. Jacksonville took him,

1031
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: and then he just fumbled it away for there was

1032
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: a fumble return for a touchdown. Whoever Jacksonville just played.

1033
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: But Arnold, Hada can't believe you're giving us this. By

1034
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: the way, how about that stat that in the last

1035
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: what three years or something like that, the Jacksonville Jaguars

1036
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: with Gardner Minshew are like six and sixteen, and without

1037
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: Gardner Minshew they're owing seventeen. So there you go. That's

1038
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: what you get for partying with Gardner Minshew as your quarterback.

1039
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: Can I reach one more time? I'll ask you, guys,

1040
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: reach ali if you bring up Larry Fitzgerald, No, I'm not,

1041
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: because no one from the Vikings has gotten inherent thing.

1042
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: Now we're in the trust. See this is like the

1043
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Cardinals. He's saying what needs to be said

1044
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: right here, about I was just going to reach because

1045
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: I saw someone tweet what if he trade a fish

1046
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: round there for you, George Kittle. That's what I'm saying.

1047
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm reaching. What would you do that? I wouldn't. Uh,

1048
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: you wouldn't that contract, the first rounder? That contract, And

1049
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: I know the Niners will be like, we never give

1050
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: you George Kittle for a first rounder, but that contract,

1051
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: combined with his injury history, you wouldn't nod round the

1052
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: last one. I mean, it's just the only way you're

1053
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: really going to be able to go after a big

1054
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: money guy right now anyway, is if you get a

1055
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: deal done with like Chandler Jones and free up some

1056
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: cap room, because you're too close to the cap to

1057
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: really go after a big money that's type kay. I

1058
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: mean what I think last time I looked, they were

1059
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: somewhere a two and a half million, three million in

1060
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: the cap. That's for everyone was like, oh Stefan Gilmour,

1061
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: bring him in. No, No, you don't, not unless you

1062
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: get a long term deal done with a Chandler Jones

1063
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: and free up a lot of cap room. That's the

1064
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: only way that's gonna happen. So look, whether they are

1065
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: able to add something to tight end. I don't know

1066
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: when in doubt, we do know go to DeAndre Hopkins.

1067
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: I did like the headline I saw somewhere DeAndre the

1068
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: Giant because on that touchdown catch that was at the

1069
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 1: very end, if you were field level and you saw

1070
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: Josh Norman between DeAndre Hopkins and the quarterback, it's sort

1071
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: of like, I don't know when, like DeAndre DeAndre Ayden

1072
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: actually to stick with our When DeAndre Aden Jack's up

1073
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: at three and you're like no, no, no, no no,

1074
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: and it goes in, You're like yes. It's sort of

1075
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: like that pass from Kyler to d hop Is when

1076
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: he throws that ball, You're like no, no, no, yep, okay,

1077
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: Grady got his hands on it as he never turned

1078
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: to play the ball. And you know what, Josh Norman,

1079
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: you got to know at this point in your career

1080
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 1: you better turn and know where the ball is because

1081
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: if you have no clue where the ball is, d

1082
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: hop will get his hands on that ball. That's just

1083
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: that's just with the way it is. DeAndre Hopkins liked

1084
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: my tweet about that play, which was what I said.

1085
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: I just said something like, oh my steel grip touchdown.

1086
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: But The last part was and hop it's good to

1087
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: have you back in this role. M Is that a

1088
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, is he sending a message in a way.

1089
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: I don't know. He just liked my tweet. But if

1090
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: you were to guess, if you were to guess, is

1091
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: he kind of like no? I mean again, you're saying

1092
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: he's going Keyshaw Johnson, throw me the damn ball through

1093
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: Darren's tweets. He has a credit. You want to know why,

1094
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: because all he did was like it. If he really

1095
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: want to send a message, you would have to retweet it.

1096
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: This is your way of telling Deanjo Hopkins, retweet it, bro.

1097
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I just want I just want the cloud.

1098
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: The cloud, everybody. I'm giving Darren a round of applause

1099
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: for using cloud. That is a record here on the

1100
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: card on the Cardinal's underground. You know cloud. Wow. I

1101
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: started this this segment the show by saying, you know,

1102
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: we need to extend our sling. We went from no

1103
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: cap cap to now cloud. Do you want to inform

1104
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: Paud do you know what cloud? Don't look at me

1105
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: and don't say I don't don't. I'm asking you, I

1106
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: ask you. I have two teenagers at home, but if

1107
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 1: you feel the need to explain it. I just want

1108
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: to make sure we're on the same plate, the same page,

1109
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: and can use cloud from now and on this on

1110
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: this spot, you're allowed to use whatever you want, philipp

1111
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: And if we if you throw us with whatever you

1112
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: you have pulled out of the Urban Dictionary, we'll just

1113
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: stop the cloud. I love that. I love coming here

1114
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: on Tuesdays and learning what have you threw Isaiah Simmons

1115
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: in at tight end? Okay, that's enough, that's too that.

1116
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: You know what, Here's what's frightening about that. I somebody

1117
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: actually tweeted that at me or something. I seriously brought

1118
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: him J J. Watt. Here's here's what's the best part

1119
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: is if jj Watt gets a touchdown, I am I'm

1120
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: so getting after Coyle because the summer we talked about

1121
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: that and me and Paul said, at least I said

1122
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 1: he's going to catch a touchdown this year and Kyle's like,

1123
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: there's no way that happens, and now maybe he does. Well,

1124
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: which game was it? Was it a Jacksonville? I think

1125
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: they you know, well that was that? That was was

1126
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 1: that Minnesota where it was the mega watt where when

1127
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: when it was the megat one right week one? Maybe

1128
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: it was, Yeah, you're right, it was week one? Was

1129
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: week one? Well, all the days are flying by now.

1130
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: I think it was week three. But Lucky Foe two

1131
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: and JJ Watt came down the sideline when the Cardinals

1132
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: got near the goal line and they were there just

1133
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: in case. So believe me, he's got it in his holster.

1134
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury has the megawatt package in his holsters. So

1135
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: what's next? What else is going to come off the

1136
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: megawat package? I think it actually hand it to Lucky

1137
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: Foe two, former rugby player. Are they actually gonna throw

1138
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: it to j J Watt former tight end? We'll see

1139
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: tight end scream like we saw with Larry Fitshield in

1140
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Again, can't wait to write that story. I'm

1141
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: over that. He's a former rugby players, so it's possible.

1142
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's been similar Felipe. They technically could sign you,

1143
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: that would be possible. But do you have confidence in

1144
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: in me? You know, probably having a touchdown now? Probably

1145
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: what kind of scheme do you have to see from

1146
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbray for me to get a wide open touchdown?

1147
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: That's a that's a well, first of all, twelve men

1148
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: on the field, we really need a scheme. Are they

1149
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: gonna even cover you? And you kind of have to.

1150
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: It reminds me a little bit of that Wolf story

1151
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: when he was talking about he caught his one touchdown

1152
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: and the ball was coming to me and he was

1153
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: like afraid he was gonna drop it. Well, we had

1154
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds on the big Red. Rage said Wolf, how

1155
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: many career receptions again? He said twenty four. I said great,

1156
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: because Chase is going to break your career mark this weekend,

1157
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: five games into the season. So he kind of took

1158
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: that personal, but it was good. We were separated, we

1159
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: weren't in the same studio. I don't have to worry

1160
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: about we'll punching me, so I can throw stuff in

1161
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: like that. So it works out pretty well. By the way,

1162
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: I know, Kevin Parrish is sitting here. He's dying to

1163
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 1: hear my hot take on where I am right now.

1164
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: With the NFL playoffs in January, as we told him

1165
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,959
Speaker 1: last week, Kevin that the NFC championship you can book

1166
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: at Cardinals, at the Cowboys, that's going to happen. I'd

1167
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: like to add the playoffs playoffs. I'm just saying, you know,

1168
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: if we're already getting ahead of ourselves and everyone's already

1169
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: putting the Bills into the Super Bowl, they're ahead of

1170
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: the Cardinals, the five and old Cardinals in the power polls. Yeah,

1171
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: I could see that, you know, Bills and Chargers in

1172
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl as of right now, but you realize

1173
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: that the football gods will be putting the Cardinals and

1174
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers in the first round. The first playoff game

1175
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: for the years on our Cardinals will be against Bruce

1176
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: Arians Tom Brady Todd Bowls against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

1177
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: in Tampa. No, not necessarily, but I'm just saying that

1178
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: matchup will happen because the football gods, we'll put the

1179
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: Cardinals against Bruce Arians. In the post about that matchup though, No,

1180
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, it's musty TV. You gotta have it,

1181
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: the NFL's gotta have it, and somehow that's gonna happen.

1182
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: Gotta beat the best to be the best, baby, I

1183
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: just don't want to jinks. I know Darren doesn't believe it.

1184
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: I'm always knocking on some type of wood. Are you

1185
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna bring that up every time? Yeah? It's because we

1186
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: talk about the postseason like we're close or something like that.

1187
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure I don't we

1188
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: don't jinks. I remember last year again, going back to

1189
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: last year, when we're six and three, I went on

1190
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Instagram and I say, oh, they look like a Super

1191
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: Bowl contending And that's what did it? Going on Instagram

1192
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: and talking about it. That's a message up. Don't go

1193
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: on social media and start making predictions in week nine.

1194
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: That's my message. I wish we had that much control.

1195
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: All right, So last word here Baker against Kyler, which

1196
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: once again should be in the Sunday night football slot.

1197
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: It is not. But what do you think just the

1198
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: fact these two are hyper competitive guys and that Kyler

1199
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: one episode one of this in twenty nineteen, and then

1200
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: there was the exchange of jerseys afterwards and Kyler said

1201
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: because one of them was miked up or the mics

1202
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: caught it, said I have bragging rights now and so boom,

1203
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: what do you think? How does that manifest itself and

1204
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: materialize on game day? Kyler against Baker? Well, my first

1205
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: thought is is like if you put out a tweet

1206
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: with somebody talking about how good Kyler is are you

1207
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: going to get the fan base of the Cardinals all

1208
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: messed up? Since already jerking around with a Cleveland fan base.

1209
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: Once again, it's a tinder box. Apparently the Browns fan

1210
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: base and alitics is just the slightest hint of a

1211
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: flame of any sort, and they're all over it. So

1212
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: even Robert Alfred with an innocuous compliment of the opposing quarterback,

1213
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 1: which happens every week in every game, and they're trying

1214
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: to use that as a polarising thing as to, you know,

1215
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: whether they should stick with Baker Maker. See, well, I

1216
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: gotta stop you right here because you gotta be careful.

1217
00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: You can't talk about the innocuous comment and then be like,

1218
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: but I put it out there, why why are you

1219
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: tweeting innocuus comments? Then Paul I said off the top

1220
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: is I wasn't even gonna hit tweet. I almost dec

1221
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: it because it was it was a nothing comment, but

1222
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: there was a very little else in the press conferences,

1223
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: so I figured out I'd already typed it, let's send

1224
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: it out. I didn't say it, he did whatever, and

1225
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: to prove he's working. I just want to know what

1226
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: innocus means harmless, you know, And I mean, you know

1227
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: that's so you're not making me feel good about your

1228
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: Arizona State education over there, Philippe. It's not that. It's

1229
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: just I've never seen innocuus in a tweet. You know,

1230
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: I've never Well, it wasn't in the tweet. He was

1231
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: just describing the tweet, described the tweet. But you know,

1232
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think there's drama in the Heisman

1233
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: House this week? You know, Baker and Kyler And wasn't

1234
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: the rooms now were the roommates because Barry Sanders didn't

1235
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: like rooming with Baker? Who you know, Baker is a

1236
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: good actor, though I got to give him, he's really

1237
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: really Kyler's getting a little bit better, But no offense. Kyler.

1238
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: Baker is a really good actor. And it's someone who

1239
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: actually covered Barry Sanders and had conversations with him in

1240
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: the Lions locker room. If you're irritating Barry Sanders, then

1241
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: that's on you. I'm gonna tell you that your point.

1242
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: Berries are very accommodating Barry Sanders. I have. But wait,

1243
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: he wasn't the one that played baseball, right? That was okay?

1244
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: I think we might want to end it right there.

1245
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys, I'm in the two thousands, you know,

1246
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: Like that's Barry Sanders. I do know because I played

1247
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: Madden for most of my life, so that's how I

1248
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: know him. I've never actually watched them, watched them player,

1249
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: and you need to go to a YouTube of Barry Sanders.

1250
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: You tell me he's not the greatest running back ever,

1251
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: because he is. That's like the MJ Lebron because watch

1252
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, no no, no no. I watched James playing.

1253
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: I never watched Barry Sanders. Until you watch Barry Sanders.

1254
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: Don't even come with me. Yeah, Darren, But that's this

1255
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: is the comparison I'm making. I've watched Lebron James play,

1256
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: so I can confidently say he's the greatest of all

1257
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: time because I never watched MJ play and I know lots.

1258
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: It's not how that works. Yeah, So I never watched

1259
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders play. So maybe to me, Philippe, you can

1260
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: say he's the greatest you've seen. Yeah, but you can't

1261
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: say he's the greatest when you haven't seen all the

1262
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: other players I see. I can. But that's that's the

1263
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: argument here. Like I can name plenty of running backs

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Speaker 1: in the two thousands that I can confidently say might

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Speaker 1: be better than Barry Sanders. Oh No, you cannot confidently

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Speaker 1: say there's there's you happen name name the best running

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Speaker 1: back from the two thousands. Uh, Adrian Peterson. Can you

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Speaker 1: not make the argument that he's better than Barry Sanders? No,

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Speaker 1: you cannot, because you've watched both of him, Right, so

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Speaker 1: you can confidently say that I have never watched Philip,

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Speaker 1: so I can say Adrian Peterson is arguably the greatest

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Speaker 1: running back about time. First of all, you threw arguably

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Speaker 1: in there. That's one thing you you we gotta wrap

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Speaker 1: this up. I know, Paul, but but seriously, and and

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Speaker 1: this is this is just like you can't make an

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Speaker 1: argument without researching everything. That's like that. You can't say

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my own research and then don't do

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Speaker 1: the research, Philippe, I'm just saying, it's the Lebron James

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Speaker 1: MJ conversation. I think Lebron James is the greatest basketball player.

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Speaker 1: You've seen a bunch of MJ stuff. Yeah, okay, saying

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Speaker 1: with Barry Sanders, I never watched him play in person, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I've watched clips and you just said you had never

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Speaker 1: seen him. I thought we were talking about like, did

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Speaker 1: I ever watch him play or anything? I know who

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Speaker 1: he is? Come on, no, I know you know he is.

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Speaker 1: I think if I said I there's a YouTube thing

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Speaker 1: out there of his best plays, and if you're really

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Speaker 1: gonna sit there and say, Adrian Peterson's better than him.

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Speaker 1: So you think I'm gonna go on YouTube look up

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Speaker 1: and watch rewatch Barry Sanders highlights and say there and go,

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Speaker 1: I watched the high No you won't now because you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be stubborn. But no, because I never watched him play.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the biggest difference. That's my argument. This reminds

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Speaker 1: me of the Vince Vaughn scene from I Think It's Swingers.

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Speaker 1: What was the movie where they were arguing about Lebron

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Speaker 1: and MJ and Vince Vaughn started screaming and it would

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Speaker 1: have been Lebron that far back. Sure, Yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: It was something about, you know, if we're gonna end

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Speaker 1: this podcast, we should end with a Vince Vaughn famous

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Speaker 1: movie line where he's screaming about MJ versus Lebron and

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Speaker 1: he ends the argument in favor of MJ. Here on

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