Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL podcast has plenty of armed talent.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansas, coming to you from a
Speaker 1: stadium overflowing with heroes Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and Greg Rosenthalt.
Speaker 1: What is up boys? Armed talent? One of my least
Speaker 1: favorite little combine words I could think of something that
Speaker 1: are less pleasant. It's like he's got some great writing
Speaker 1: Talent's got some great uh hosting talent. Give me a
Speaker 1: breaking How else would you like to encompass all that
Speaker 1: goes into armtown. Just go back and look at my
Speaker 1: answer from when we had the same convo two years
Speaker 1: ago on and Around. I think a little later in
Speaker 1: today's show. We spoke with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday and you'll
Speaker 1: hear that interview and he uses some the equivalent of
Speaker 1: corporate jargon, uh, some buzzwords and describing a workout that
Speaker 1: he had personally witnessed. And there's some arm talent talk
Speaker 1: in that discussion. And I had a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: to square away and and talk about um an address
Speaker 1: with Move the Sticks, and it was, as always pretty contentious.
Speaker 1: And now DJ has offended Greg with his with you
Speaker 1: guys both showed professionalism, anger, fluid hips. It was it
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Um. Yes, this is our second show of
Speaker 1: the week from Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine the
Speaker 1: Underwear Olympics as they're known by some will kick off.
Speaker 1: A little phrasing is annoying. Should we get rid of that?
Speaker 1: That's gone? It's gone, sober um. That will kick off
Speaker 1: later in the week. We're on airplanes tomorrow. We're here
Speaker 1: as we always are to cover kind of the NFL
Speaker 1: news side of things, and we're gonna get into that
Speaker 1: some headlines from around the league. But this today's show
Speaker 1: is a good one because we got a lot of guests,
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff. As I said, move the
Speaker 1: sticks is gonna be here. We'll do some prospect talk
Speaker 1: and settle some scores. We also have Mike Garret Folo
Speaker 1: of NFL Network. Good dude and highly knowledgeable and plugged in.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk to him about what's going on with
Speaker 1: the c b A talks uh speaking of contentious and
Speaker 1: where that's headed, and also get caught up to date
Speaker 1: with any other league happenings. Mike is super plugged in,
Speaker 1: and then we'll close the show out with a little
Speaker 1: bit of Connie Fox. She's gonna come up to the
Speaker 1: suite here at lucas Oil Stadium and we're gonna listen
Speaker 1: to the final um entries for the contest, the Connie
Speaker 1: Fox theme song. So that is fun. I can't wait
Speaker 1: for that. But before we do any of that, I
Speaker 1: was gonna throw out to news, but actually I want
Speaker 1: to address our our show on Tuesday. Mark promised that
Speaker 1: the robe that you wore, uh during Tuesday's show, Yes,
Speaker 1: a bathrobe. A bathrobe. You promise you'd walk from Lucasile
Speaker 1: Stadium back to our hotel in that robe. And you
Speaker 1: were true to your word, and and we were by
Speaker 1: your side the whole way back, and it did catch
Speaker 1: the eye of one notable league figure, Greg You had that,
Speaker 1: that's true, and we all sort of forgot about it immediately.
Speaker 1: Mark is so comfortable in his own skin when he's
Speaker 1: in that robe that everyone just forgot about it. No
Speaker 1: one seemed to have noticed. But as we were getting
Speaker 1: closer to our hotel, it's about a ten minute walk,
Speaker 1: we were almost done with it. I did notice a
Speaker 1: group of forty Niners personnel and John Lynch, their general
Speaker 1: manager just like staring us down and West you noticed
Speaker 1: it too, and I like okay, and then I like
Speaker 1: looked down because I was just like, okay, this is weird.
Speaker 1: We just made eye contact. That's enough. Look back up,
Speaker 1: still staring, Look back down, look back up, still staring.
Speaker 1: And it took me a while to realize it was
Speaker 1: it was a quadruple stare down take that he was doing.
Speaker 1: And then I, oh, of course he's staring at Mark
Speaker 1: well you naturally, I don't know if everyone does, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, maybe he recognizes us. No, and he
Speaker 1: recognizes He's just like, why is a grown man walking
Speaker 1: through this hotel lobby in a bathroom? Yeah, I've learned
Speaker 1: to use the combine. You know, we're here for three
Speaker 1: or four days as an exercise in a bridge burning
Speaker 1: like if I you know, we're we live in California.
Speaker 1: Things went south with our show. Maybe float up north
Speaker 1: and worked for the forty niners in some capacity will
Speaker 1: not be happening on anymore. You could cross that off.
Speaker 1: You're that guy in the hallway according to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a second, I did that. Oh maybe he knows
Speaker 1: the podcast. And then we had our annual st Elmo steakhouse.
Speaker 1: It's not about the meat. It's about the meat. And
Speaker 1: that was a great time, Ricky, do you have a
Speaker 1: good time with us? Yeah, it was awesome, Greg. The
Speaker 1: night ended very it was a celebration. I think we
Speaker 1: all had a really good time time. And I think
Speaker 1: that's where we leave it. I think so too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all great. Everything was great to a nice so
Speaker 1: rare to hear Erica like lost for words are just short, borderline,
Speaker 1: sheepish no, no, no. I just think that a moment
Speaker 1: like we shared together is is best among friends time capsule.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, I mean you know. And we went
Speaker 1: to a nice tavern after a place I find during well,
Speaker 1: it's like almost like what it's it's wanting to be.
Speaker 1: I didn't see anyone needing steak there. I saw everyone
Speaker 1: turns right. It's it's like flooded with sort of indie
Speaker 1: based groupies slash harpies trying to talk to like gms
Speaker 1: and coaches and celebrities, you know, and not us a
Speaker 1: lot of journals And I won't say who the coach
Speaker 1: is just because I don't want to be a jerk.
Speaker 1: And this guy has already got thrown under the bus
Speaker 1: in his career and I'm not going to be another
Speaker 1: president to do it. But he was with him buddy.
Speaker 1: He rolled in late, it was probably after midnight. Um,
Speaker 1: he had a bud heavy and his friend had a
Speaker 1: beer too, and this head coach was just standing at
Speaker 1: the periphery of this crowded bar. And I just think
Speaker 1: I couldn't stopped looking at this coach because I was like,
Speaker 1: you're a head coach man. You're supposed to be owning
Speaker 1: the town. Like remember the legends of Indian apples of
Speaker 1: combine with guys like Rex Ryan holding court at the
Speaker 1: shake shack, Like these guys are larger than life figures
Speaker 1: that have many entourages. I saw this one particular head
Speaker 1: coach just alone with his buddy, waiting for somebody to
Speaker 1: talk to him, and it actually broke my heart a
Speaker 1: little bit. Why why couldn't he if he had just
Speaker 1: been having a good time with his buddy and not
Speaker 1: even thinking any of these things. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just didn't love it. I just didn't love it. And
Speaker 1: I will not say who it is same coach, though
Speaker 1: I think we can say this that removed that we
Speaker 1: talked about on Wednesday show that removed the dip out
Speaker 1: of his mouth with his bare hands, so he was
Speaker 1: a of the tobacco. There is a previous event we
Speaker 1: were at where I barged into a group of coaches
Speaker 1: with a beer in my hand, I believe, and I
Speaker 1: have to narrow that down. Well, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: who it was, but this man was among him and
Speaker 1: I thought this he could and with one hand crushed
Speaker 1: my entire skull and just silenced me. And he could
Speaker 1: not have been nicer. So you know, I'm not given
Speaker 1: the a t n subredd subreddit enough hints, you guys
Speaker 1: try to figure it out from there. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get to it. The defense, defenses get you to the championship.
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks win championships. And I definitely feel doc is
Speaker 1: is that quarterback? Here we go. Mike McCarthy's back, you know,
Speaker 1: is it a little bit kind of like, uh, Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy's back. I'm happy the guys back in the league.
Speaker 1: And he's getting paid nicely and he has one of
Speaker 1: the best gigs in in the football world, but not
Speaker 1: the most charismatic figure. And today he spoke and one
Speaker 1: of the last few coaches um at his press conference
Speaker 1: and didn't say much about the Cowboys. But that's just
Speaker 1: a little snapshot into the fiery charisma of one. Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: head co to the Dallas Cowboys. Once told me, if
Speaker 1: he was not a football coach in life, what would
Speaker 1: he be a construction worker? And I think these sweeping
Speaker 1: generalizations about offense and defense, I think we should keep
Speaker 1: him in the nineteen sixties where they belong. It's also
Speaker 1: kind of a weird statement that loyal it take you
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, but only in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with the quarterback win. It's just so weird sort of.
Speaker 1: I guess he has a ring. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like basing it on your own experience. And that's it.
Speaker 1: That was was kind of true of the two ten packers.
Speaker 1: I'll give them that, yeah, but they needed Aaron Rodgers think.
Speaker 1: Speaking of quarterbacks who hoped to play in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, he is the big uh name. A lot
Speaker 1: of people that are in the know believe he will
Speaker 1: be the number one pick the L s U Heisman
Speaker 1: Trophy winner to the Cincinnati Bengals. We talked about it
Speaker 1: last week. There had been some speculation and maybe West
Speaker 1: you in it. Out maybe people reading too much into
Speaker 1: some things that the young man said. And he was
Speaker 1: asked about, you know, with the draft coming up, are
Speaker 1: you somebody that would potentially throw up a roadblock allah
Speaker 1: Eli Manning if he wasn't happy going to a certain
Speaker 1: team like the Cincinnati Bengals. Here's what Joe Burrow said,
Speaker 1: do you have any reservations about playing for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 1: I'll play whoever for for whoever drafts. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just not going to be presumptuous about, you
Speaker 1: know what, what they want to do. It's the draft.
Speaker 1: You guys have been covering it for a long time.
Speaker 1: You never know what's gonna happen. So that should put
Speaker 1: to bed any lingering questions about whether Burrow would go
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati if they do indeed take him as their
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future. That was a pretty simple yes
Speaker 1: or no answer, and the answer was yes. I'll me
Speaker 1: even pressed him on it and he's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna not play. So he he was clear about a
Speaker 1: good job by us, uh, noting that people were probably
Speaker 1: making a mountain out of a moholl that was a
Speaker 1: media a generated story. In the end, isn't there another
Speaker 1: angle and I know this kind of happened with with
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and the Brown Sam Donald and Jets. Is
Speaker 1: there's another career path where you go and you change
Speaker 1: a franchise that's been ultra moribund for decades and decades
Speaker 1: and and become the player that's that Cincinnati will never
Speaker 1: view in it and the Lebron James type level. Or
Speaker 1: you go to Cincinnati and the Bengals change Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I mean that that can happen too, because I can't
Speaker 1: think of a team from coaching staff on down with
Speaker 1: more questions right now. I have no idea who The
Speaker 1: Bengals quarterback press conferences at the Combine used to be
Speaker 1: such a big deal, especially when it was in the
Speaker 1: old location. I remember like a lot of heat on
Speaker 1: the Cam Newton year for instance, like how's he going
Speaker 1: to handle himself? We're not too sure about this guy.
Speaker 1: Then it's like he aced the press. All that stuff
Speaker 1: is kind of silly. With all that said, watching Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow and I watched the Big Chunk, he just seems
Speaker 1: like the Bengals fan base is just gonna absolutely love him. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like a cool, easy confidence, not letting things bother him.
Speaker 1: I just sort of love it. He's custom made for
Speaker 1: Cincinnati with his personality. I mean he has that, he's
Speaker 1: sort of a blue collar guy, but he also has
Speaker 1: a little bit of um, a little yea in a
Speaker 1: good way. I'll just play Devil's advocate. Is it possible
Speaker 1: that he said what he needed to say at this event? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and he might not. He might still because he holds cards,
Speaker 1: and he might play cards still. I'll play Devil's advocate.
Speaker 1: But we could ask Mike Garafo that later um and
Speaker 1: in maybe Hill have an idea. But I do believe
Speaker 1: that people just took what he said um incorrectly because
Speaker 1: when he was talking about leverage, he really was talking.
Speaker 1: I believe his reason was what he needs to do
Speaker 1: during this pre draft process. He has the leverage to
Speaker 1: not work out here. He has the leverage to pick
Speaker 1: and choose the teams that come to him. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have to work out for fifty teams. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: to work out here in Indianapolis. He that I really
Speaker 1: believe that is what he what he intended, and people
Speaker 1: just thunderstood. And to Mark's point, my inclination being from
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and following the Bengals pretty closely for so many years,
Speaker 1: is that they'll end up ruining this guy. But it's
Speaker 1: not really fair. I mean, they don't say that they
Speaker 1: didn't ruin Carson Palm or Chemo von Olhoffen shredded his
Speaker 1: knee when they had one of the best offenses in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and that's not the Bengals fault. But then
Speaker 1: you look, but they ruined the relationship after they ruined
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you look at how his career ended with
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Much of the organization is different. At the
Speaker 1: top of the chain. It is not Joe Burrow could
Speaker 1: he bring you back to Cincinnati? Is a Bengals fan
Speaker 1: West just checking in? I like to check in, you know,
Speaker 1: I like to check I understand that. But you can't
Speaker 1: manufacture love if nothing hasn't done going if nothing else,
Speaker 1: if he provides an entertaining style of play, maybe the
Speaker 1: Bengals could at least be a team you enjoy watching
Speaker 1: again and not rooting against. There have been times when
Speaker 1: I've enjoyed watching the Bengals on game pairs. Um more
Speaker 1: good news for us, because I know your family members
Speaker 1: or many of them are Bengals fans, so that I
Speaker 1: love how you always go to the you know, uh
Speaker 1: yeah you yeah, you've you've turned your back on your brothers.
Speaker 1: My brothers don't root for the Bengals. Mark Maski of
Speaker 1: the Washington Post reported on Tuesday that NFL teams are
Speaker 1: strongly against renewing the instant replay rule making past interference reviewable.
Speaker 1: On the Competition Committee's offseason survey, twenty one team said
Speaker 1: they're not in favor of making the rule permanent, to
Speaker 1: eight teams that said they're in favor of making it permanent.
Speaker 1: As you may remember, when this rule went into effect
Speaker 1: after the Saints got screwed the New Orleans screw job,
Speaker 1: costing him a spot in Super Bowl fifty three, they
Speaker 1: put in the rule, uh that you could um throw
Speaker 1: a flag for past interference. However, it was a one
Speaker 1: year trial balloon, and now the time has come to
Speaker 1: decide whether to make it a permanent rule or walk
Speaker 1: away and see it as a somewhat noble failure. It
Speaker 1: made the product worse. To me, it's that simple. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of an embarrassment if they walk away. I
Speaker 1: do think that the Competition Committee will try hard to
Speaker 1: improve the rule and get support to vote on a
Speaker 1: new replay rule, because I don't think they just want
Speaker 1: to give up. But it sounds like this rule the
Speaker 1: way they did it is not coming back. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have to tweak it and try to convince owners to
Speaker 1: try it a different way. But they were tweaking in
Speaker 1: the middle of the season, so they've already done at
Speaker 1: least one tweak in a way, the rules in September
Speaker 1: should be the same as the rules in January. At
Speaker 1: least the NFL is acting flexibly about this, where we
Speaker 1: can have these surveys and make changes until you get
Speaker 1: it right. Because it I know the XFL, like, let's
Speaker 1: say the thing melts down in a year or two
Speaker 1: and it's gone. But you are you are looking at
Speaker 1: a competitive league where they're saying, we're going to make
Speaker 1: everything that troubles the NFL, We're gonna use it to
Speaker 1: show our strengths. We're gonna be hyper flexible. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: take some age old installed rules and just blow them
Speaker 1: up in the NFL needs to make sure their product
Speaker 1: is perfect and past interference has been a devil for
Speaker 1: season after season and other news. By the way, do
Speaker 1: you think our listeners can hear the person that's speaking loudly?
Speaker 1: No way, Ricky, can you go knock some pets? There's
Speaker 1: another podcast right next. Yeah, yeah, but who has better numbers?
Speaker 1: You think, like who should actually be talking and who
Speaker 1: should be just listening? I think they're interviewing Jordan Palmer
Speaker 1: right now. Right, Well, so I guess that we attempted
Speaker 1: to get so we were we were outmoded. This we
Speaker 1: never put in a form. I let me keep it down.
Speaker 1: But are you trying to say that as if like
Speaker 1: that's a huge get. No, I'm just saying I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go knock skulls. All right, let's move on.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. Oh, Acre, you had such a tough season
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and how do you get better? Well,
Speaker 1: you got a new coaching staff that's good, and you
Speaker 1: wipe away all the hype and build up that seemed
Speaker 1: to work against the Browns. Will you? Also, you know,
Speaker 1: your figure maybe a little bit plumb? Since it turns
Speaker 1: out NFL Networks Ian Rappaport reports that Brown's quarterback Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield plans to be slimmer and faster. In rapp report
Speaker 1: added that Mayfield put on some weight last year to
Speaker 1: bulk up, and he lost some quickness. So we know, West,
Speaker 1: you talk about it a lot, uh where the league's going.
Speaker 1: Your quarterbacks gotta be able to move make plays off
Speaker 1: what is it off schedule? Off schedule plays and maybe Baker,
Speaker 1: did you notice that mark with that he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to make some of the plays he made as a
Speaker 1: rookie off schedule and instead of being dragged down in
Speaker 1: the backfield. I mean, I think that absolutely was apparent
Speaker 1: from the opening week Titans loss, where a combination a
Speaker 1: combination of pass pressure and general uh guideless less they
Speaker 1: they the whole offense seemed to lack a map um
Speaker 1: from week one to the end of the year, and
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield's UH performance was lesser than year one in
Speaker 1: every single category. And it's it kind of worries me
Speaker 1: because I'd say he's one more ultra mediocre season away
Speaker 1: from a lot of big questions being asked again in
Speaker 1: Cleveland at that position that said, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: remember when Russell Wilson shed some weight and became more
Speaker 1: lie than able to move quicker and it helped him
Speaker 1: have an uptick season. I think Baker Mayfield was a
Speaker 1: combination of not quite um taking his role as seriously
Speaker 1: as someone like a Tom Brady would last year, combined
Speaker 1: with a team in chaos that on a weekly basis
Speaker 1: did not put him in a great position to succeed.
Speaker 1: So that's that's the kind of thing you could say,
Speaker 1: bounce campaign potentially if all these things go right. But
Speaker 1: a lot more question marks surround Baker Mayfield than I
Speaker 1: ever could have imagined when we were talking about him
Speaker 1: a year ago. Little Ruben esque. He didn't. He didn't
Speaker 1: get big with muscle. He just kind of looks like
Speaker 1: like Dan. You saw him at some of the Super Bowl, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: at a one of those parties, and he does strike you.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing we all know, and it was
Speaker 1: maybe the only major knock on him coming out of
Speaker 1: college was his size. That he's not a big guy
Speaker 1: and he's not tall. Um, he just looked strikingly norm core.
Speaker 1: Is that what I said earlier today, which is you
Speaker 1: could describe you know, he looked like, uh like in
Speaker 1: a sea of people at that party, looked like any
Speaker 1: other guy. And covering our league or this league, excuse me,
Speaker 1: covering this league, quarterbacks do not look like average people.
Speaker 1: So what he has to work on, I guess is
Speaker 1: just carving that body up a little bit, getting a
Speaker 1: little shredded and maybe taking in a little maybe like
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, not a beautiful body, but he has carved
Speaker 1: out of a like a grassy mountain. Mayfield is never
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that's gonna easily see over his
Speaker 1: line and things like that. So he needs, I would think,
Speaker 1: everything else. He's got to check all the boxes physically,
Speaker 1: get that bod tight. We have to do that too, Marke.
Speaker 1: What I It's one of the only traits that I
Speaker 1: share with any professional quarterback in this case with Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: is the body needs some work. We this is this
Speaker 1: is this is body season now, um get it. Get
Speaker 1: me out of this snow and outside, getting back to
Speaker 1: l A, getting on the streets. Out of the season.
Speaker 1: You get past the super Bowl, and then you get
Speaker 1: past the combine, and then you can start working on
Speaker 1: a little self care a little bit and uh, paying
Speaker 1: a little bit more attention to what you eat. You know,
Speaker 1: you exercise a little bit more. This is something I
Speaker 1: usually have my best bod moments from really post combine
Speaker 1: until about September and then things start rolling downhill. So
Speaker 1: it's it's bod season. Well, very similar to the track
Speaker 1: record like Eric man Jeanie had as. If you use
Speaker 1: that offseason to only indulge in the US you know,
Speaker 1: the sweeter things, your next football season will see you
Speaker 1: looking like early period Rex Ryan Um. All right, moving
Speaker 1: on to a how do you pronounced his last namegain?
Speaker 1: What did we come down with the congo viola? Right? Nice,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to it for now. Uh. He continues
Speaker 1: to be on the right track physically. He had that
Speaker 1: terrible hip injury that ended his college career in Alabama prematurely.
Speaker 1: There was concerned at the time that it could be
Speaker 1: a type of injury that could really um hamper him
Speaker 1: and cost him dearly as a prospect. Well, everything we're
Speaker 1: hearing back is that his m R eyes are clean,
Speaker 1: and he is a guy that once he goes through,
Speaker 1: assuming he goes through the pre draft process and the
Speaker 1: workouts and you know what, he's not working out here right, No,
Speaker 1: but he will have I assume the pro day. Uh,
Speaker 1: if his body is able to do that in time,
Speaker 1: and then if that alleviates fears about him physically he's
Speaker 1: going to be a guy you think is a top
Speaker 1: ten pick, and um, it led me to just check
Speaker 1: in on the draft board and I just want to
Speaker 1: see that. I want to check out this top ten.
Speaker 1: Let's look at it with two uh potentially healthy and
Speaker 1: looking like a guy who's gonna be hoping to have
Speaker 1: a pro day. April ninth, April ninth. Okay, Mark, what
Speaker 1: have we learned? He's going top three? Right, he's a quarterback. Well,
Speaker 1: you have Cincinnati at one, and let's say that's where
Speaker 1: Burrow goes. You have the Redskins at two. Now they
Speaker 1: are playing coy and saying, you know, we're open for
Speaker 1: business potentially. But this Chase young guy, everything we're hearing
Speaker 1: is that he's a potential generational edge talent. But I
Speaker 1: think in a perfect world, like the most perfect world,
Speaker 1: you know, they who knows you, maybe they could trade
Speaker 1: the three like San Francisco did and they tricked uh
Speaker 1: old Chicago. I'm giving up some extra pick work out, uh,
Speaker 1: but let's say they stay put and take young uh three.
Speaker 1: The Lions. We've talked about them. They seem like a
Speaker 1: team that could absolutely uh do business. And a team
Speaker 1: trades into that spot and perhaps takes to h and
Speaker 1: then you're seeing some mocks. I just saw buckys uh
Speaker 1: latest mock. Um he has to ago into the Dolphins
Speaker 1: at five, which would be kind of funny because all
Speaker 1: the handwringing and all the bearing of the Dolphins, which
Speaker 1: was they kind of earned that very job. Um, But
Speaker 1: they might end up not having a historically bad season
Speaker 1: and getting the guy they wanted all along, or wanted
Speaker 1: you know, last September. It could work out that way,
Speaker 1: well if you so. The medicals on to have been
Speaker 1: very positive, and let's say the next couple of months
Speaker 1: just we're glowing in terms of his workouts and everything else.
Speaker 1: Are we putting it at zero percent chance that the
Speaker 1: Bengals would ever be wooed into the to U scenario?
Speaker 1: Is it zero? Is it? We're just clocking Burrow to him?
Speaker 1: No questions asked. I agree with you you should ask
Speaker 1: the question, because I don't think you should ask the question.
Speaker 1: The Bengal is an unpredictable franchise. Did anybody see Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow's hands nine inches? What a disgrace? I mean, we
Speaker 1: got Mike Garafola just walked in the room. What if
Speaker 1: what if we just extend this convo. We asked that
Speaker 1: question to Mike and get that whole thing going. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's got a head site out of all right, he's
Speaker 1: got the headset on. Now we could ask him hand size,
Speaker 1: be honest, it doesn't say, it doesn't change how we
Speaker 1: feel about you. Seven inches, seven quarter? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm curious myself. How long is an iPhone eight plus?
Speaker 1: Because I'm more than that. We gotta figure this out.
Speaker 1: We should you know what we should measure bill? A
Speaker 1: dollar bill? It's six inches right, it pulls out itsny
Speaker 1: But that was just a show of power. You'll take
Speaker 1: out a single. I'm all out of hund TV guy,
Speaker 1: I take out my twenties. I'm all out of hundreds
Speaker 1: of inches over there? Did did? Did you introduce me
Speaker 1: to people? Know? Yeah? I guess this is Mike Garret
Speaker 1: follow gentlemen, So I'm six inches and a thumb. Okay,
Speaker 1: You've really learned a lot about podcasting and hosting as
Speaker 1: one of the unnamed friends on rap Sheet and Friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. It's uh. You know the rap Sheet has
Speaker 1: Friends podcast, which the beauty of it is it gives
Speaker 1: me cover right when something goes wrong, stop my problem.
Speaker 1: It's Ian's podcast, whereas if your name is on the podcast,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of responsibility falls on you. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: it's it's the rap Sheet has Friends podcast with the
Speaker 1: question mark. All right, Mike, thank you for joining us.
Speaker 1: You're plugged in, you get it. And we we have
Speaker 1: to what we were just talking some quarterback stuff, um
Speaker 1: with obviously the draft and everything. We'll start We'll start
Speaker 1: with where do you want to start? Mark? Well, I
Speaker 1: think we were talking about to uh and you know,
Speaker 1: the medicals look great, and if you were to have
Speaker 1: a glowing lead up to the draft, is there any
Speaker 1: percentage chance, based on what you're hearing from these big
Speaker 1: wigs all over the place, that the Bengals could ever
Speaker 1: you know, move off the Joe Burrow fascination and even
Speaker 1: contemplate taking to it first. Overall, I would think not um,
Speaker 1: as someone explained to me uh this morning, and not
Speaker 1: really someone in the Bengals decision making process, but close
Speaker 1: enough said that, Uh yeah, no one with the last
Speaker 1: name Brown uh said if we don't take Burrow, they're
Speaker 1: going to burn the stadium down basically, um and and
Speaker 1: I mean might be doing them a favor. It didn't
Speaker 1: sound like, yeah, it didn't. They're they're not that kind
Speaker 1: of a fan base. I don't think so. I think
Speaker 1: that that was a bit overstated. Have you seen the
Speaker 1: beer cans they threw on Ben Roethlisberger's lifeless body when
Speaker 1: they're yes, uh yeah. And I remember a certain pep
Speaker 1: talk by one Sandwich at one point to let's let's
Speaker 1: listen to that. Yeah. Well, the next person that sees
Speaker 1: me anybody, well anything onto this field, point them out
Speaker 1: getting out of here. You don't let it Cleveland. Um.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, so, uh, you know, I I think
Speaker 1: it's a very very very small percentage chance. And the
Speaker 1: thing with ta is he's my friend contractually, he's my
Speaker 1: friend Ian rappaport Um, and he's the only friends he has.
Speaker 1: And he's reported a lot of a lot of glowing
Speaker 1: medical things on toa UM, which is great, but it's
Speaker 1: still it's still gonna be a thing. It's whoever winds
Speaker 1: up taking to a is taking a risk at some point,
Speaker 1: a medical risk. But at least if you're the Redskins
Speaker 1: and Ron Rivera spoke uh Wednesday today, you know that
Speaker 1: they're open for business at number two. It does raise
Speaker 1: the you know, possibility that some one is more likely
Speaker 1: to give up a huge offer forget about going to
Speaker 1: three to get to UH at two with the Redskins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And um, I think Rivera is playing the game. I
Speaker 1: think if they truly, honestly we're gonna go quarterback, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't know about it. It's like getting whacked by the mob.
Speaker 1: You'd never hear anything. It's Tony soprano, if the if
Speaker 1: the if the Redskins, we're gonna go quarterback. If the Redskins,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go quarterback. Yeah. So the fact that they're
Speaker 1: doing it now is is the whole Hey, anybody want
Speaker 1: to play? And and Rivera was asked about, you know,
Speaker 1: is there a fallback scenario here uh for you where
Speaker 1: you would trade out of that spot? And he paused
Speaker 1: and said, yeah, but it's probably not very realistic. Um.
Speaker 1: So I think that he's playing the game in a
Speaker 1: number of ways. I don't think they wind up with
Speaker 1: Chase Young. Um. But it also gives you a little
Speaker 1: bit of a kick in in the pants if you're
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. Um to know that. And and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that going on around the league right now
Speaker 1: with Mike Mayock saying, you know, if we can get
Speaker 1: better at quarterback, we'll get better. We like Derek car
Speaker 1: a lot. Um. There's a lot of motivational employees, certainly
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay right now, a lot of pants kicking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, kicking him um. And and the thing with
Speaker 1: Haskins and I got killed for this last year. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's talk about he's got to get
Speaker 1: in that playbook more, he's got to be in the
Speaker 1: facility more. He's gotta do. Doug Williams last week comes
Speaker 1: out and says, if I'm Dwayne Haskins, I gotta be
Speaker 1: in that billy, he better be there until they kick
Speaker 1: him out of there number one. Uh. And then you
Speaker 1: got Rivera today talking about how great it's been so
Speaker 1: far for him to show up at the facility, make
Speaker 1: his rounds and see Dwayne Haskins in the weight room,
Speaker 1: see Dwyne Haskins uh in the meeting. Now, granted, Rivera
Speaker 1: wasn't there last year, but it's clear that he knows
Speaker 1: what the reputation is and what Haskins needs to do
Speaker 1: here in this offseason. Less selfies, more grinding. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was subtle. Score settline by you going back to kind
Speaker 1: of point out, it's that as as as Rap Report,
Speaker 1: way too many Rap Report references. But as Rap Report
Speaker 1: likes to say, the mean streets of Scoop Town, there
Speaker 1: are rules and there are um it is it is
Speaker 1: ever seen Scoopytown. The population what like thirty Maybe I
Speaker 1: I've written down here nicest insider question mark because I
Speaker 1: kind of view a lot of these guys very cutthroat.
Speaker 1: They'd probably uh take each other out if they were
Speaker 1: given a chance. You've always struck me as a kinder person,
Speaker 1: but I'm questioning to degree, well, I feel like my
Speaker 1: cover has been blown in the last minute here. So
Speaker 1: it's it's it's more it's more of a subtle, uh
Speaker 1: twisting of the knife, and they don't forget that I
Speaker 1: said this, lady and there. Well, there's some things that
Speaker 1: I tend to carry with me and some things that
Speaker 1: I just kind of go whatever. But but nothing bothers
Speaker 1: me more than the guy that goes well. As I
Speaker 1: reported months ago, as I told you, how about the
Speaker 1: guy when like news happens and then he's like well,
Speaker 1: I wrote this article two and a half years ago
Speaker 1: about how good this linebacker group is like, Hey, no
Speaker 1: one cares about your old article. What's funny a little bit.
Speaker 1: What's funny is is I saw the opposite recently. I
Speaker 1: saw a guy. Let me see if I remember remember
Speaker 1: the details of it. So I said something about, what
Speaker 1: the hell was it? Oh? It was DK Metcalf, and
Speaker 1: I said, I will never understand why DK Metcalf went
Speaker 1: as low as he did. And another reporter who shall
Speaker 1: remain name this is a friend of mine, basically came
Speaker 1: after me and was like, well, you're forgetting it. This
Speaker 1: and this and this and this, and I'm thinking he's
Speaker 1: telling on himself. He's so I went back and found
Speaker 1: stuff that he had written saying that DK Metcalf probably
Speaker 1: not his own opinion, but people he talked to around
Speaker 1: the league. And I'm thinking, you dummy, you're telling on yourself.
Speaker 1: Nobody's sitting there saying, oh, well, this guy wrote all
Speaker 1: this stuff before because nobody remembers. So I that was
Speaker 1: the opposite of it. I feel like that was not
Speaker 1: very productive of that person. But I love him and
Speaker 1: I'll buy him a beer later. That's not rap. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's suck c b A because you are a good
Speaker 1: point guy on this and I think, as we've talked
Speaker 1: about on this show, it is in the best senships
Speaker 1: of everyone from fans the media UH that this gets done.
Speaker 1: But will it get done? We shall see, because player
Speaker 1: representatives voted to send a new deal UH that's already
Speaker 1: been approved by the owners that includes a seventeen game
Speaker 1: season to the full union membership. You need a simple
Speaker 1: majority of some two thousand players UH to accept the
Speaker 1: agreement for it to go into effect this year. Now.
Speaker 1: We've been seeing bubbling up today on Twitter players that
Speaker 1: are against this deal saying it's got to be a
Speaker 1: negative vote and a no vote. And Russell Wilson, we
Speaker 1: saw that's a prominent name, and then we saw one
Speaker 1: of the pouncy boys, Marquise was it. Uh. Here's let's
Speaker 1: listen in on a video message he put out on
Speaker 1: social let's count the beliefs, its vote, that the leaders
Speaker 1: there look it out for the best of the players.
Speaker 1: If y'all want my vote, the pounds of twins vote
Speaker 1: note and if any player or any one of our teams,
Speaker 1: if y'all hurt for money or anything while we go
Speaker 1: through this lock out, call us man. We got way
Speaker 1: any more money than what they have back in the days.
Speaker 1: We ain't gotta worry about that. All the events on
Speaker 1: each team, stand up up, stand up show, these guys
Speaker 1: do we care about them? Man? I care about all
Speaker 1: you young players, and I love you guys a dolt.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna let you all down. Trust and believe
Speaker 1: they're trying to sign a bullish tess deal. Just something.
Speaker 1: Sitting at president could go around the smile and say,
Speaker 1: I got something done. You didn't get done twelve, but
Speaker 1: should there have been thirteen? Because ass made it through there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you noticed that. Fair point. We
Speaker 1: allow us on this program, not a kindler, gentler pouncy
Speaker 1: brother offering help to other players. I hear the sailors,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I do find it interesting that his plan
Speaker 1: is for the veterans to float the younger guys. They'll
Speaker 1: see how that goes. Sustain it something you they should
Speaker 1: all go straight to the pouncy brothers. So so let's
Speaker 1: let's review the tape here. So Paltsy's counterproposal was, oh wait,
Speaker 1: that's right. There was nothing in their substance. Uh And
Speaker 1: and don't worry, young guys, the older guys are gonna
Speaker 1: take care of you. I I just I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't see the logic that that's gonna But it might not.
Speaker 1: It might not pass if the player representatives only voted
Speaker 1: seventeen fourteen in favor. So all you need is a majority,
Speaker 1: and that you know, in that group of people it
Speaker 1: was a slight majority. It seems like it's going to
Speaker 1: be a close vote. It's very interesting because the initial
Speaker 1: knee jerk reaction was this thing is gonna get past.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be no problem once you go to the majority.
Speaker 1: These guys are gonna be like, alright, so we get
Speaker 1: to keep playing football and we get a little bit
Speaker 1: more money. Cool vote yes, blah blah blah whatever. But
Speaker 1: a lot of times now these guys might be influenced
Speaker 1: by what they're saying. Oh well, if Russell Wilson's against it,
Speaker 1: if Aaron Rodgers is against it, Uh, if J. J.
Speaker 1: Watts against it, Oh, maybe I should be against it
Speaker 1: because it's kind of they they figured that these guys
Speaker 1: are a little bit more plugged in. I will say this. Look,
Speaker 1: the NFL p A went to this, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to get too deep into the weeds aase nothing
Speaker 1: makes people's eyes rolling their heads more than revenue splits um.
Speaker 1: But the p A went into this with the intention
Speaker 1: and this is what you hear from the league of
Speaker 1: really working for the lower end of their pay scale.
Speaker 1: I've heard estimates of anywhere from of guys in the league.
Speaker 1: Players are either rookie deals or minimum salary deals. So
Speaker 1: guys in the lower end of the pay scale, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna get the low end, is gonna get like
Speaker 1: a ninety dollar pay bump on the minimum salary. Now,
Speaker 1: I had an agent say, oh big, what they got
Speaker 1: ninety more for That's a lot of money to that guy, okay, espeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, do the math on it, right, And and
Speaker 1: on top of that, he's gonna get other escalators that
Speaker 1: don't exist now in the current there's basically gonna be
Speaker 1: more money for that guy. So if he really does
Speaker 1: look at what's coming his way, I would think you're
Speaker 1: gonna have many more yes votes than no votes from
Speaker 1: those guys, and that that should make this thing easily pass.
Speaker 1: And I just you know, I know there's also there's
Speaker 1: that I've read stuff ab out you know, the TV
Speaker 1: deal pending, the like that contract, the Trump election. You
Speaker 1: want to get this thing done sooner than later. But
Speaker 1: is there any scenario where we get like a nineteen
Speaker 1: month hold out and while you're in front of Park Avenue,
Speaker 1: I'm at like a semester at sea doing something that
Speaker 1: I wanted. They don't offer that for men of your age. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the last time in school. Yeah, he's this kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: Princeton undergrads, what's going on you? You could study abroad,
Speaker 1: but it's a different there's there's a never mind. Um,
Speaker 1: the uh, last time this happened inven I got married. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's gonna happen again. It's always possible.
Speaker 1: I never know when I'm gonna come home and the
Speaker 1: locks are gonna be changed. Uh. It was great. It
Speaker 1: was very convenient for me because we got married in March.
Speaker 1: We went on we actually went on two honeymoons. Now
Speaker 1: really sounding really boogie, I'm sorry, but it's pertinent to
Speaker 1: the story though. We go away on one honeymoon. I
Speaker 1: come back, I said, actually has friends podcasting, not a
Speaker 1: lot of listeners, but a lot of money. A lot
Speaker 1: of money. Well, let me let me calculate what we've
Speaker 1: what we got last week off of that? Oh, it's
Speaker 1: a zero from the week before. Um so, uh, it
Speaker 1: was great because I kept leaving and coming back and
Speaker 1: saying what happened. Nothing didn't miss any because I was
Speaker 1: just I was just I wasn't covering the league. I
Speaker 1: was covering one team. That would be different now. I
Speaker 1: don't want to stand on a corner, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you want to do the Albert Beer memorial.
Speaker 1: So the great so Albert Brier, love him to death. Uh,
Speaker 1: stands on the street corner for six months, comes back
Speaker 1: and gets these. Once the lockout was settled, there's all
Speaker 1: of a sudden these tweets like he may have been trending.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we knew trending back then,
Speaker 1: he may have been trending on Twitter because people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: fantastic job, Albert Brier is so great. Whatever. And Steve
Speaker 1: POLITTI my colleague at the time at the Star Ledger,
Speaker 1: tweets out and I'll never forget this tweet. I actually
Speaker 1: went and found it a couple of days ago and
Speaker 1: send it to him. Uh. He tweets out, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: did I miss something? Did Albert Brier just come back
Speaker 1: from the front lines of Afghanistan. I'm like, dude, that
Speaker 1: was harsh, but actually kind of funny, and I just
Speaker 1: found it in the center again. I said, hopefully you're
Speaker 1: not tweeting this about me in a year we get
Speaker 1: the hot summer. Well that that's the uh, the thing
Speaker 1: about this negotiate everyone's paying attention to on a day
Speaker 1: by day basis, but compared to last time around or
Speaker 1: almost any time around, it's done and their way ahead
Speaker 1: of schedule. It really isn't something that probably needs to
Speaker 1: be overly stressed about because so much has been agreed
Speaker 1: to the players who are upset about it. I mean
Speaker 1: they're upset with the union who's been working like hard
Speaker 1: and kind of getting there, you know, good points into
Speaker 1: the deal as much as they can for six months.
Speaker 1: They've been negotiating this deal. It's their deal. But what
Speaker 1: have those players, those dissenters been doing for the last
Speaker 1: six football playing football? So they kind of came in
Speaker 1: and we're like, all right, cool, where were what about
Speaker 1: this thing that we were talking about back then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that that didn't fly. Well what about this? What
Speaker 1: about the you know? So they feel like yeah, and
Speaker 1: and and and saying well we got to go back.
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, we we already talked about that. You
Speaker 1: guys were like your podcast this, these are volunteer jobs,
Speaker 1: these team leaders. Yeah, yeah, thank you for reminding me.
Speaker 1: Percentage percentage chance by three years from now cler with
Speaker 1: the hammer drop seventeen game season percentage. There's no way
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen, No way, no way, all right, and
Speaker 1: it and it benefits it benefits the players. I mean,
Speaker 1: is one more game really going to take that much
Speaker 1: off of them? More wear and tear and those kind
Speaker 1: of things. I don't think basically, you can't get to
Speaker 1: be the only number that works. That's what Like, there's
Speaker 1: this idea that that seventeen is too brutal for the players,
Speaker 1: But how did sixteen get to be the only number?
Speaker 1: But that used to be ten years from now when
Speaker 1: there's another when there's another CBA bargaining, it's like, how
Speaker 1: stupid is it that we did an odd number? We
Speaker 1: gotta go to eighteen? Yeah, yeah, And I mean, of
Speaker 1: course that was the whole idea. I mean, it's basically
Speaker 1: like losing in the wild card round every single year.
Speaker 1: You are the Marvin Lewis Bengals. The entire NFL is
Speaker 1: the Marvin Lewis Bengal. It's like the Patriots have been
Speaker 1: playing a twenty game season every every single year. Somebody
Speaker 1: called Marvin and calculate what all those games took off
Speaker 1: of his his his coaching took off his life. Really,
Speaker 1: why don't we figure it all out? Contact Bengals fans
Speaker 1: and see how many Yeah, Marvin Lewis took off the
Speaker 1: um Mike, you've said it all. I mean, you're a
Speaker 1: busy man, and still you made it up to Sweet
Speaker 1: thirteen A slash B. That's all we got. I think
Speaker 1: I'm in b if I lead back, I'm in b
Speaker 1: if I sit forward. I'm in it while you're here
Speaker 1: A quick one, like, just give us which teams do
Speaker 1: you think are gonna go bananas in free agency? So
Speaker 1: I just want to know this. Yeah, but I see
Speaker 1: I say Seahawks, But if they resigned you debbian Clownie
Speaker 1: and jarn Reid, that doesn't really count, right because it's
Speaker 1: like Eagles. Maybe maybe I could see the Eagles being aggressive.
Speaker 1: I don't see the Cults being that aggressive. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong about as Rivers going there, uh today about that,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna happen, Rivers to the cults. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about the source. But put me down for no. Yeah,
Speaker 1: put me down for no. Okay, interesting, I'll see if
Speaker 1: I can come back with the info on who I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be to us first. Oh, they're getting
Speaker 1: someone out pure yeah yeah, well yeah, somebody, somebody's got
Speaker 1: to do. You have a one wild like QB carousel
Speaker 1: prediction or thing that you think could happen that one
Speaker 1: wild one? I see wild would be Brady winding up
Speaker 1: somewhere other than New England to me um one wild
Speaker 1: one Teddy Bridgewater and Tampa. Maybe is that wild? But
Speaker 1: that's good? I like it. Nothing about moving on, nothing
Speaker 1: about Teddy as wild. And the Chargers can't honestly be
Speaker 1: going with Tyrod Tiller. They they've got to have something
Speaker 1: up there sleep Tyrod and Justin Herbert Maybe you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden makes a little sense, right Mike Garfolo.
Speaker 1: He is, of course NFL Network reporter extraordinaire, also the
Speaker 1: co host of g MFB Weekend with Colleen Wolf, who
Speaker 1: is in the background. That's her. I never knew Colleen
Speaker 1: to be a wool girl. It's a big one, big
Speaker 1: woo girl. Uh, Mike, thank you for joining us, and
Speaker 1: come on again just in the future we love happen.
Speaker 1: How about a free agency special? Will make that happen? Alright,
Speaker 1: Mike Garretfolo. All right, there he goes, Mike Garretfolo. Always good, uh,
Speaker 1: info with Mike, and before we throw it, to move
Speaker 1: the sticks, to settle some scores and and do a
Speaker 1: little um Joe Burrow talk. And it's a nice conversation
Speaker 1: with Mike. We do need to do something. We had
Speaker 1: teased a Peter Schrager Mark Cessler update on yesterday's show,
Speaker 1: but we didn't get around to it. So I think
Speaker 1: we none of us know, um what happened between you
Speaker 1: and Pete when apparently cross paths here in Indianapolis. But
Speaker 1: just a reminder that last week Mark put out his
Speaker 1: NFL media Personality Power rankings, and three members of Good
Speaker 1: Morning Football were on that list. Connor or who sadly
Speaker 1: fell ill with the flu this week and could not
Speaker 1: make it out to indian couldn't join us at stake night,
Speaker 1: or Nicky Blaine's crushing uh. And it also, of course
Speaker 1: Atlanta Journal Constitutions legendary beat scribe Orlando led Better. All right,
Speaker 1: Pete not on the list, and it made waves and
Speaker 1: social you saw people you know tagging him uh, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like the start of a potential beef. Well
Speaker 1: and some people you know, correctly or incorrectly, it's up
Speaker 1: to you to decide. Noted how how upset mark you
Speaker 1: know was that he was not the most respected member
Speaker 1: of the Around the NFL podcast according to Stranger, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like a very one to one response. Well,
Speaker 1: so that was what happened. Well, that's the last time
Speaker 1: that I saw Peter Schrieger was was out poolside and
Speaker 1: I asked the question to him, which one of us well,
Speaker 1: and I did not like the answer at all because
Speaker 1: it was it was formulated because answer and uh. And
Speaker 1: then you asked again the next time he was on
Speaker 1: the show about a month and a half, right, and
Speaker 1: that was my phone No, that no, in that incident.
Speaker 1: He so he gave a review of our on air
Speaker 1: network show and I had created and put a lot
Speaker 1: of heart and time into a little two minute did
Speaker 1: he called Operation Dirt Nap And he explained it basically
Speaker 1: said he was watching on airplane, no idea what was happening.
Speaker 1: That's how he described part A part beat so I
Speaker 1: have not seen him since this heats bubbled up, and
Speaker 1: you know, it was raining a couple of days here
Speaker 1: that the sun refuses to come out into the sky
Speaker 1: in this city. I don't sure what the deal is there.
Speaker 1: But I'm getting into an elevator, got into an elevator
Speaker 1: in our hotel, and um, you know, it's one of
Speaker 1: those scenarios where I can hear someone rushing towards the
Speaker 1: elevator door as it's shutting clothes and slam clothes, and
Speaker 1: as you know, with about three or four inches, I
Speaker 1: see the form of Peter Schraeger trying to get into
Speaker 1: my elevator holding an umbrowa lah. And so he's a
Speaker 1: big guy. He's probably got you by about I guess
Speaker 1: maybe less. I don't want to. I'm not gonna over
Speaker 1: sell that. But and so you know, my first inclination is,
Speaker 1: had it been anyone else, I need to immediately open
Speaker 1: that door. And and so but it's you know, it
Speaker 1: is Peter Schreeger. And that was a very awkward moment
Speaker 1: because we made eye contact and I don't know what
Speaker 1: he knows about this so called feud that we're in.
Speaker 1: So well, no, so that I'm looking at the l
Speaker 1: of the bank of buttons on the elevator, and there's
Speaker 1: like six hundred of them, and I'm like waging war
Speaker 1: with this thing, and finally find the one that has
Speaker 1: the two arrows going in opposite direction so that the
Speaker 1: door opens, and then Schreeger is standing there and we
Speaker 1: look at each other. There's no one else on the elevator.
Speaker 1: He comes in and you know, he's coming in from
Speaker 1: out of the rain, and he's like, Hey, what is this?
Speaker 1: Uh good to see it, but what is going on
Speaker 1: with this this feud? This thing I'm caring about the Terrys,
Speaker 1: Like I haven't listened to the show in quite some time.
Speaker 1: I believe we're the words. You know, he didn't mean
Speaker 1: it in a malicious sense the way that we believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. He was out of the loop and so
Speaker 1: at your piece, right, And so I tried to explain
Speaker 1: to him. I said, listen, you know, uh, Peter, and
Speaker 1: it's like I could not get to the eighth floor
Speaker 1: quick enough for me to get out of the elevator,
Speaker 1: and I, you know, and I'm saying to him, things
Speaker 1: are fine, it's absolutely It's just it's dust in the wind. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, there's you go. Did you play it as
Speaker 1: a you told him it was a manufactured joke, or
Speaker 1: did you tell the truth that it actually comes from
Speaker 1: a very real place. I don't want to like sit
Speaker 1: in a feud with someone, so I viewed it as
Speaker 1: a chance to kind of reconnect um if if we've
Speaker 1: ever been connected, and to try to yeah, bury the
Speaker 1: hatch for like the thirty seven seconds before the door
Speaker 1: opens and very efficient elevator. Well, and I had to move.
Speaker 1: So the door opens and as I get out on
Speaker 1: my eighth floor and I'm turning around and the doors
Speaker 1: closing on his face. I don't know what came out
Speaker 1: of mouth. I just said, love you, bro, And I
Speaker 1: walked back to my room and I was that was
Speaker 1: just an incredibly awkward meeting. But he couldn't have been nicer.
Speaker 1: So I I will say that my Internally, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: a little bit because you know what else, you now
Speaker 1: have it totally off balance because I love you, bro,
Speaker 1: I love you, Bro. He's like, where is where is
Speaker 1: this guy coming from? Well, and sometimes I feel that
Speaker 1: with you, So imagine somebody that doesn't know you as well,
Speaker 1: totally discombobulating. I have an update on my own. I
Speaker 1: randomly shared an elevator with Peter Schraeger. This guy just
Speaker 1: hanging out with the elevator, but he cradled you like
Speaker 1: a baby. I'd imagine it was eight floors. I'm on
Speaker 1: the same floor as Mark. Uh no cradle line. Um.
Speaker 1: But he did ask hey, what he asked similarly? Um?
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to just see what where
Speaker 1: did it come from? Or was it? Was it in
Speaker 1: fun or were you actually Pizz's radar? And uh, I
Speaker 1: did mention the genesis of it that you know it
Speaker 1: came from when you know he had asked that question
Speaker 1: and as you were spooning on the floor of the elevator,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I didn't do any power he's
Speaker 1: He's like, I didn't rank him, uh last or anything
Speaker 1: like that. It's you know where I ran. Couldn't wait
Speaker 1: to give the context to Pete again. You remember when
Speaker 1: they asked, like who you respecting most? And you said
Speaker 1: me without even a beat? Remember that? Remember that? Remember that?
Speaker 1: Remember that? Remember that. Actually I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I walked through all this. It was a very It
Speaker 1: was about a ten second ride, so there wasn't there
Speaker 1: wasn't too much to it, and uh, yeah that I
Speaker 1: said it was all it was all just in good
Speaker 1: fun and uh and uh, you know, having having a
Speaker 1: little fun. I find it odd in an annoying sense
Speaker 1: that we both were in solo elevator rides and you
Speaker 1: had the chance to reframe history. No, I I I
Speaker 1: watched it. I thought, I thought, I mean even more so.
Speaker 1: He always said, no, it was all in in silly fun.
Speaker 1: The only reason Dan and I don't have Peter Schrager
Speaker 1: elevator stories is because Greg nipped it in the bud.
Speaker 1: He would have been there today waiting for me to
Speaker 1: figure out what was going on. And I do feel again,
Speaker 1: as host of the show, I do feel responsibility to
Speaker 1: get Pete on the show to close this loop because
Speaker 1: there just seems to be a little bit more to
Speaker 1: address here between Mark and Peter directly. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: effort towards that with my producer Erica. Love you Bro,
Speaker 1: I love you Bro. Alright, let's get to it. We
Speaker 1: spoke with Daniel Jeremiah yesterday. Here it is all right. Here.
Speaker 1: We are at Lucas Oil Stadium in a very spacious
Speaker 1: suite because we are with the Shield, and we are
Speaker 1: with the man of the hour, the guy who basically
Speaker 1: once it's Danny Jeremiah Draft season. The the ego is
Speaker 1: just out of control. And I'm gonna get to that
Speaker 1: in a minute. But first, as the host of the show,
Speaker 1: let me introduce Daniel Jeremiah a k move the sticks
Speaker 1: to be around the NFL podcast. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's nice to see that assessor dressed up for the occasion.
Speaker 1: So that's really welcoming. You know, I feel like you're
Speaker 1: stepping up your game when you come on the big
Speaker 1: A T N pod And well, and part of that
Speaker 1: is in your appearance. And this is this it's it's
Speaker 1: challenging on You probably already know everything that we don't
Speaker 1: about this, but the whisp is about moving the combine
Speaker 1: away from Indianapolis. Are untenable to me because it's a
Speaker 1: tunnel system that connects us. I could walk right over
Speaker 1: from the room wearing the bathrobe from the room. Mark
Speaker 1: has hit the level of madness where he is, yes,
Speaker 1: wearing a bathrobe in public. And I imagine this is
Speaker 1: something that will stay on tonight at st Elmo and
Speaker 1: maybe for the rest of the week. It's like my
Speaker 1: new Luke like look heading into my fifties and beyond
Speaker 1: the way you The way you can make that work, though,
Speaker 1: is you can get like some velcrow with Miyagi, do karate,
Speaker 1: and just every hotel you go to you just use
Speaker 1: that robe, slap that thing on the back, and they
Speaker 1: think you're on. You got your g on, You're on
Speaker 1: your way to a tournament. You're an idea man. I
Speaker 1: like it, Daniel Jeremiah. You you and I as always
Speaker 1: have an issue, and this one I want to get
Speaker 1: to because we're gonna get into some combine talk like
Speaker 1: Dan doesn't even look at you. We're gonna get into
Speaker 1: all that. But I just want to start with how
Speaker 1: this trip began, which was, let's just say what it
Speaker 1: was like a very bad foot. We got off on
Speaker 1: because at L A X I get on the plane
Speaker 1: immediately a bad sign. There's no air conditioning on the plane.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a delay. And it turns out we
Speaker 1: were sitting on the plane for an hour and a
Speaker 1: half before it took off. But who do I see
Speaker 1: as I get onto the onto the plane right there
Speaker 1: in first class, Daniel Jeremiah. And I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 1: Your agent did a nice job. Your agent got you
Speaker 1: first class booked into your cont written into your contract
Speaker 1: that I have no issue with that. But it was
Speaker 1: the self satisfied smirk that you had as all of
Speaker 1: your colleagues me, Charlie, Yuke, David, really just a parade
Speaker 1: of people walked by you, how proud you were of
Speaker 1: yourself that you were sitting in the seat, in this
Speaker 1: giant leather chair while the rest of us headed back
Speaker 1: to the meat grinder. It's funny because I I don't
Speaker 1: even remember you getting on the plane. But it could
Speaker 1: have been. It could have been the flight attendant was
Speaker 1: taking drinks before we before the plane took off. It
Speaker 1: could have been the conversation I was engaged with with
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh, who was sitting next to me. I don't recall,
Speaker 1: but I really didn't even remember you getting on the plane.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would become in Indianapolis in
Speaker 1: the first place for the combine. But then I log on,
Speaker 1: I log on social media, and who's who's lobbing shots
Speaker 1: from the bathroom in the back. Well here's the other thing. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, there was some type of issue with
Speaker 1: the um heating and cooling. So We're sitting on the tarmac,
Speaker 1: and this is what Jeremiah does. He's a nice guy
Speaker 1: to your face, but the wheels are always turning. He's
Speaker 1: leaning over into the middle of the row talking to
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh less Snee, the GM of the RAMS is
Speaker 1: to his right, and he wants me to see him
Speaker 1: comfortable with his champagne and his big fluffy chair and
Speaker 1: his conversation with one of the great minds of football.
Speaker 1: And you didn't care how long we were sitting on
Speaker 1: the tarmacause you felt fun. I did feel comfortable, But
Speaker 1: you're not telling the rest of the story because you
Speaker 1: love the tweet. To take your shot, and I did.
Speaker 1: I did, made sure we were at a comfortable altitude
Speaker 1: and the fast and seatbelt sign was off, and ventured
Speaker 1: out into the back to say hello to my good
Speaker 1: friend Dan. I can't find him anymore. I'm going up
Speaker 1: and down the als and he's been in the bathroom
Speaker 1: for twenty minutes. I don't worry he is. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I asked, like Charlie UK and everybody,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why I see this guy who's who's asleep
Speaker 1: literally with his forehead on the seat that guy like
Speaker 1: he really and then dead asleep. And so I did
Speaker 1: what any friend would do. I woke him up and
Speaker 1: said sorry and kept moving up. He was dead asleep
Speaker 1: like that, and he looks up and go, oh, are
Speaker 1: you sleeping? And he looks at me, and I just
Speaker 1: kept walking. I struggled to sleep on planes. And it
Speaker 1: was a harrowing lead up to getting into the air
Speaker 1: for you to wake me up, like you know that?
Speaker 1: Just again, that was that was cruel. I have to
Speaker 1: s one question. Are you more annoyed that he was
Speaker 1: put into first class to begin with or that you weren't.
Speaker 1: I can't tell if this is a status issue with
Speaker 1: him or you that it's. First of all, there was
Speaker 1: only one this is a plane. It was the only
Speaker 1: direct flight from l A to Indianapolis. He was the
Speaker 1: only NFL media personnel in first class. And I'm talking
Speaker 1: there are higher higher ups in the shadowy league figure
Speaker 1: sector that we're in. Yeah, but I measure higher ups
Speaker 1: by that paycheck. And we don't have any reporting on this,
Speaker 1: but we know that an NFL team, we know multiple
Speaker 1: NFL teams came after this guy a few years ago
Speaker 1: to work in that front office. So it's not business
Speaker 1: because we can I can transition this writers for the
Speaker 1: combine with this answer, because having been on the road
Speaker 1: as a scout for eight years and having been in
Speaker 1: cars driving straight from Boise, Idaho, back home to southern California,
Speaker 1: driving out to El Paso, and then being stuck on
Speaker 1: Great Company Southwest flights but in in not necessarily the
Speaker 1: best position on some of those Southwest flights. When I
Speaker 1: had the first opportunity to redo my contract at the Network,
Speaker 1: I my agent said, okay, this is kind of what
Speaker 1: we're looking at it. I said, look, I just want
Speaker 1: for class. Like, if you can just get first class
Speaker 1: in the contract, I don't even just you fear the
Speaker 1: rest of it out. But that's that was the one
Speaker 1: thing I fought from. We're in a labor dispute right now.
Speaker 1: I died on the hill of I will have first
Speaker 1: class after all those Hampton end stays and uncomfortable drives
Speaker 1: and nothing gets Hampton ends but lovely established of the corporations.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna you know hand little cookies too? Mark?
Speaker 1: To answer your question, no issues with the first class. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: it was the smart and it was the lean over,
Speaker 1: and hey, look at me so you thought while he
Speaker 1: was speaking to McVeigh, Yeah, he's somewhat paying attention to
Speaker 1: one of the more interesting offensive minds in the league,
Speaker 1: but he's mostly just thinking about how does this impact
Speaker 1: Dan Hansas. Yeah, I would say I had to pretend
Speaker 1: that I couldn't hear coach the entire flight, so I
Speaker 1: could lean in closer and just look back and over
Speaker 1: my shoulder and not come on, alright, we we should
Speaker 1: talk some football with you, because, uh, to be serious,
Speaker 1: to be serious for a second, you are one of
Speaker 1: the biggest names at this event now, which is cool
Speaker 1: bec as certain people. We've been at the company long
Speaker 1: enough where I remember when Move the Sticks was a
Speaker 1: guy kind of you know, on the rise a little bit.
Speaker 1: But now you've reached this place where people are are
Speaker 1: seeking you out, they want you at all times, And
Speaker 1: I just want to ask one question, just for we
Speaker 1: get into some prospect talk. Do you think do you
Speaker 1: sense coaches, GMS, other high ranking league personnel some kissing
Speaker 1: up to Daniel Jeremiah at this stage of your career
Speaker 1: now that you've hit this level. I know I would
Speaker 1: say a lot of that, but I'll tell you there's
Speaker 1: surreal moments because you know a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: from haven't worked with them in different teams, and you've
Speaker 1: got your friends in the league. But it's it's still
Speaker 1: I can remember this is kind of a weird story
Speaker 1: about three years ago. Down there in that concourse, we
Speaker 1: were in between drills or something. I had a little break,
Speaker 1: so I went to the restroom and uh, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: walked in at the time coach of the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: said and called me by name, and I just remember being,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who grew up was a Cowboy fan
Speaker 1: growing I was a kid, and I was like the
Speaker 1: head coach of the Cowboys. Kind of no, it's just
Speaker 1: it was a weird moment. And then I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I should probably go to the bathroom. This is
Speaker 1: this is this is really a bizarre situation. But Lapping Daniel, Daniel,
Speaker 1: we heard this up here. We gotta go, we gotta go.
Speaker 1: You were on Good Morning Football this morning. I checked
Speaker 1: that out. Thought it was interesting because of course Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow is what everyone is talking about at the quarterback position,
Speaker 1: and you actually had a chance to to check him out,
Speaker 1: and you, uh, you watched him work out, You spoke
Speaker 1: with him, and you think this dude is real deal,
Speaker 1: holy field star, potential superstar, right, Well, yeah, he just
Speaker 1: doesn't have a huge arm. Like you say, what's right
Speaker 1: with him? And I can go on the laundry list
Speaker 1: of things that are went right with him. And he's
Speaker 1: got the best pocket awareness of anybody that I've seen,
Speaker 1: just his comfort and feel inside the pocket. He's got
Speaker 1: this his superpowers, his vision, and they did a nice
Speaker 1: job and we talked about it of usually just five
Speaker 1: man protection, get everybody out into the route, and this
Speaker 1: guy can see the entire field, where so much in
Speaker 1: college football you depending on the safety if they're in
Speaker 1: a single higher two high, look you work one side
Speaker 1: or the other. This guy can take a snapshot of
Speaker 1: the whole field and if you have if you have
Speaker 1: a breakdown in coverage, he's gonna find it right now.
Speaker 1: So his his his pocket awareness, his vision, and then
Speaker 1: his ability to accurately throw the football, they're off the
Speaker 1: charts now, he doesn't. I watched him work out with
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, who's got a little bit stronger arm than him.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's got a lot stronger arm than him, who
Speaker 1: was out there's got a huge arm. Kyle Allen was
Speaker 1: out there as well. Um, so he's not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: to use Jordan Palmer's phrase, he's not a driving range quarterback.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go out to the driving range and
Speaker 1: watch his kids throw and be like wow, Buddy said,
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot sixty eight once once you get on
Speaker 1: the course, and that's kind of who he is. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, we we are kind of plug out of
Speaker 1: college football during the season and we're not paying attention.
Speaker 1: So trade us like newbs. When I asked this question
Speaker 1: something like, what's the difference between Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy.
Speaker 1: So Jerry Judy is a more polished route runner, Um,
Speaker 1: a little bit better in his release, a little bit
Speaker 1: better at the top of his route when he has
Speaker 1: to work and get back downhill. Ruggs is ridiculously explosive.
Speaker 1: He more than lithly gonna be the fastest player here.
Speaker 1: Ruggs got better hands, which is unusual. Normally you marry
Speaker 1: the speed and that those type of guys. Traditionally you
Speaker 1: sacrifice some of the hands you think of like Phod Perriman,
Speaker 1: some of those type of players. Ted Gin another example.
Speaker 1: This guy has that level of speed. He dropped one
Speaker 1: ball last year, so he's got great hands. Hes just
Speaker 1: not as refined as a route runner. But you've seen it,
Speaker 1: you know, you look at Tyreek Hill. That's gonna be
Speaker 1: the template for him of ways to get him the
Speaker 1: football right now. And we we had a chance to
Speaker 1: talk to Chris Ballard earlier today and he was mentioning
Speaker 1: how that was. Tyreek Hill's initial role was the Deebo
Speaker 1: Samuel role for the forty Niners. It's only grown and
Speaker 1: evolved into him being you know that every down wide receiver,
Speaker 1: run every route on the tree. He's got a Paris
Speaker 1: Campbell who's And I mentioned that to him, and I
Speaker 1: said that you can use parents in that debo role.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta keep him healthy and get him
Speaker 1: out there. But um, to me, that's what you get
Speaker 1: with rugs. And I said, it's a three man race
Speaker 1: to be the first receiver. I think everybody's kind of
Speaker 1: made it a judy versus lamb um. I think when you,
Speaker 1: especially teams with defensive head coaches, will they feel that speed?
Speaker 1: You know? And and I see the Chiefs a couple
Speaker 1: of times a year and watch them in person, and
Speaker 1: you obviously you see it on TV. But man, when
Speaker 1: you're in the stadium with Tyreek kill like you, it's
Speaker 1: just like whoa like you? You feel like his speed
Speaker 1: won them the super Bowl. That third and fifteen plays
Speaker 1: unbelievable play by my home, but gosh, he's open my
Speaker 1: fifteen yards because he puts the fear of God in
Speaker 1: the safety and wheels him around. So um, That's why
Speaker 1: I think Rugs is very much in this thing to
Speaker 1: be the first Where do you think the three of
Speaker 1: them go? Ultimately? I think all three of them end
Speaker 1: up going on the top fift team. I would I
Speaker 1: would feel pretty good about that. Now. The only thing
Speaker 1: you'd say is the teams that need um that haven't
Speaker 1: need to tackle and receiver, they'd be smart to go
Speaker 1: get the tackle now because I think there's a handful
Speaker 1: of really good tackles. And then after that it starts
Speaker 1: to drop off. Whereas receiver, second, third round, you're still
Speaker 1: gonna get quality players you worked in front office is
Speaker 1: obviously that. Did you see the thing with Judy today
Speaker 1: with him having the star of David? Is that in
Speaker 1: in uh? And he said it was because the pronunciation
Speaker 1: of his last is that something that would raise alarm
Speaker 1: bells ahead of the pre draft process or here at
Speaker 1: the combine. I mean, I I just it was just
Speaker 1: it was just odd. You know. I don't know how
Speaker 1: else to say it, but I mean, I don't everything
Speaker 1: I've heard about the kid at school. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a good kid, and it's just kind of a it's
Speaker 1: an interesting decision. I leave it at that. Um, but
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's character wized. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: really solid. Dive deeper into the star of David necklaces
Speaker 1: deep there. Uh No, it was just it was bizarre.
Speaker 1: I just put it that way. I've never caught me off.
Speaker 1: I mean, but is that like, is that a question
Speaker 1: during the combine seventeen minutes or whatever. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think there's there's no malice or anything, and it's just
Speaker 1: kind of an innocent, interesting odd choice. Yeah. We all,
Speaker 1: we all make god fashion choices. We've got Mark Cessler
Speaker 1: over here. My son has those shoes too, Ceessler. That
Speaker 1: was uncalled for. He's a very fashionable sixteen year old boy.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to ask you because I think
Speaker 1: you've noticed I've hit you up a few times because
Speaker 1: I've been doing a little I've been doing a little
Speaker 1: bit of tape study on some of these college players
Speaker 1: myself put a few tweets out there, you know, and
Speaker 1: I one thing that I suffer from even when I watch,
Speaker 1: you know, game pass in the room is it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a darkened room, a hushed room. Maybe you're watching
Speaker 1: All twenty two as I like to do a lot,
Speaker 1: and suddenly you start to maybe doze off a little bit.
Speaker 1: Do you would you admit to ever watching some of
Speaker 1: these distant like Iowa tech Verse, Mississippi, Uh, ladies, you
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're playing each other and you're in
Speaker 1: like quarter three and just thinking, I'm struggling to stay
Speaker 1: awake during this or is it all gripping to you
Speaker 1: all the time? I will go, uh, Usually it gets
Speaker 1: to the some lineman, especially when you get to down
Speaker 1: the line linemen, and I like to do them by positions.
Speaker 1: So when I'm watching these guys, like literally you'll spend
Speaker 1: three days watching offensive linemen. So at some point in time,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously you do the better players early on
Speaker 1: that you know about, so you can go a stretcher.
Speaker 1: You're just seeing crappy player after crappy player after crappy player.
Speaker 1: So I will go second screen and I will go
Speaker 1: like on a like a YouTube rabbit hole of you
Speaker 1: know stuff. So I've just got this going on and
Speaker 1: kind of like keeping an eye over here. Um, you
Speaker 1: can kind of binge wash a show like why You've
Speaker 1: got your lower level of he's got like Joda see
Speaker 1: in the background, you like you know this this year
Speaker 1: what's got me is, yeah, there's nothing wrong Raven Simone.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would say that as some
Speaker 1: kind of a cutdown. There's nothing wrong with that show.
Speaker 1: Wizards of Waverley placement maybe, um, but to me, when
Speaker 1: you when you uh, when I'm watching tape, it's normally
Speaker 1: I've got the nineties R and B is on Pandora's
Speaker 1: kind of my go to. But this year a lot
Speaker 1: of people we bought the you guys have a room
Speaker 1: ba Yeah, so I never know, I never asked people
Speaker 1: have them? Yes, yeah, I never know. My wife's gonna
Speaker 1: launch that thing like it's like a spacecraft that takes
Speaker 1: off from its home dock and goes and vacuums your
Speaker 1: whole house. So a lot of times I'm doing a
Speaker 1: video of a player in that room was going around,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of people on Twitter think I'm
Speaker 1: vacuuming while I'm watching. I'm not gonna tell if I'm
Speaker 1: not technically the house, the carpet getting vacuumed, and I'm
Speaker 1: watching tape. So I'm not going to dispute that. What's
Speaker 1: like a position group? We're all hearing this is a
Speaker 1: great wide receiver year. What is the position group that
Speaker 1: if a team is needing a certain position that they're
Speaker 1: in a little bit of trouble in this draft that
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of blue chip talent. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a first round interior offensive lineman. You know,
Speaker 1: I have I have works from Iowa who played tackle.
Speaker 1: I think he can be an all Pro guard, but
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of teams will have him listed
Speaker 1: as a tackle. So I don't have a you know,
Speaker 1: top thirty two player that's an interior alignment. So that's
Speaker 1: a little bit thin tight end. I don't have a
Speaker 1: tight end that's worth a first round pick, which is
Speaker 1: you know, unusual. So those I think there's decent depth.
Speaker 1: You get good players, but there's no you know, premier,
Speaker 1: premier guys. So those would be a couple of positions
Speaker 1: I'd say a little bit thin, give it. Give us
Speaker 1: a quarterback not to uh or Joe Burrow that you
Speaker 1: like more than more than other people and why and
Speaker 1: and then maybe someone you don't like that much or
Speaker 1: that you don't think it's gonna that maybe gets overdrafted
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks. I actually like a Day three pick. So
Speaker 1: we're talking now, maybe in like the fifth round. Um,
Speaker 1: his kid named James Morgan out of Florida International. He
Speaker 1: went down to the East West Game, was the best
Speaker 1: quarterback down there, which is kind of that second tier
Speaker 1: All Star game. But he's six four, he's like two,
Speaker 1: he's got a strong arm. He was playing through a knee,
Speaker 1: so he wasn't totally healthy. Um. But to me, like
Speaker 1: you're trying to find guys with some traits on day
Speaker 1: three that have a chance to be a starter. Um,
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. And then I'm fascinating with
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts to see when he goes. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: haven't spent time at Alabama, been at Oklahoma. Guys won
Speaker 1: a lot of football games. He can really move around
Speaker 1: and make plays. He just doesn't really throw with a
Speaker 1: lot of anticipation. Um, you know, there's some vision things,
Speaker 1: as much as I love Joe Burrow's vision, Like that's
Speaker 1: an issue with Hurts, But the way the games played
Speaker 1: right now, where you get a guy that can create
Speaker 1: some plays with his legs, He's got a strong arm,
Speaker 1: he can make every throw. I could see somebody saying,
Speaker 1: you know, we kind of build a little bit around him.
Speaker 1: I was I was talking to a team that's set
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position, but they were looking at him
Speaker 1: in that Taysom Hill type of a role. Um. There's
Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing, like the copycat players this year.
Speaker 1: If you're trying to say, like who we're trying to find, Um,
Speaker 1: some people trying to find Taysom Hill. A lot of
Speaker 1: people trying to focus on that type of a role.
Speaker 1: And you've got teams trying to find their Deebo Stamuel.
Speaker 1: Somebody can line up in the backfield or be in
Speaker 1: the slot, and then um, you look on the defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. Um. You know, obviously during with
Speaker 1: Jameson gonna come around very often, but finding those safeties
Speaker 1: that you could play at linebacker, you know, you can
Speaker 1: do different things and just um to use McVeigh who
Speaker 1: I don't know if I told you. I was sitting
Speaker 1: next to him in first class, great conversation, and one
Speaker 1: of the things he talked about was, you know when
Speaker 1: they match you personnel wise, like the Ravens are a
Speaker 1: great example where that you can't be right because with
Speaker 1: all those tight ends out there, you go big to
Speaker 1: match them, they're gonna split everybody out and there gonn
Speaker 1: let those tight ends run by you. You go small
Speaker 1: to cover them, They're gonna bring them in. They're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball down your throat um. So trying to
Speaker 1: find those guys that can do those different things is
Speaker 1: what everybodys trying we at the time of year, because
Speaker 1: you're saying, you don't you know a team out there
Speaker 1: trying to find Taysom Hill two point oh where you're
Speaker 1: just sitting on loads of explosive information where you want
Speaker 1: to like shout into the whole of a tree, because
Speaker 1: how do you like hold onto all these seak It's
Speaker 1: do you tell your wife everything that you know? Or
Speaker 1: does someone know? I told I told the and this
Speaker 1: wasn't even a serious is not steeped in fact, but
Speaker 1: I was literally at the doctor um having uh if
Speaker 1: anybody had an end of scopy here, anybody stick the camera.
Speaker 1: Oh obviously she's hello. Yeah, you know you know that deal.
Speaker 1: So you come into the room, old Mr. That's really
Speaker 1: bad on my part, But so you know, he hasn't
Speaker 1: been through anything real sense I had. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: cancer is one thing, acid reflux, Come talk to him
Speaker 1: when you've been there. So to me, it came with
Speaker 1: that came with it as well as it was part
Speaker 1: of it was a bonus. It was a bonus. Hey,
Speaker 1: there is something taking out of it because DJ sent
Speaker 1: me as many messages as anybody when I was through.
Speaker 1: He's the best. But so, I mean, you did you
Speaker 1: have this where? So I don't remember the conversation with
Speaker 1: the doctor after the thing, so you know you're knocked out.
Speaker 1: So I get in the car obviously remember that. We
Speaker 1: get home and I tell my wife ago kind of
Speaker 1: weird that doctor never came into the recovery room. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he did? I go, he did? You talked to him?
Speaker 1: You talked to him for ten minutes, And I go,
Speaker 1: what he's like? He told you what you need to do?
Speaker 1: But I said, what did I say to him? He goes,
Speaker 1: you just looked at him and said, the charges are
Speaker 1: taken to Uh, she goes, yeah, you did. So if
Speaker 1: that happens, that doctor is going to be sitting home
Speaker 1: with life noing that for months. Um, that's awesome. Let's
Speaker 1: say goodbye to Mr Jeremiah, but before we do, checking
Speaker 1: in on his an NFL I guess it was a
Speaker 1: Reddit type thing. Asked me anything conversation. Uh. Someone asked
Speaker 1: to rank the members of the Around the NFL podcast.
Speaker 1: This was your response. I've heard Colleen Wolfe is on
Speaker 1: there a lot, so she's number one. Erica is technically eligible,
Speaker 1: so she's number two. After that, Westling, Sessler, and the
Speaker 1: rest would be listed in others. Don't hate it, don't
Speaker 1: hate find the lie. I mean if I was, if
Speaker 1: I was Eric or you guys, I would almost be
Speaker 1: insulted because he's playing this whole game where we know
Speaker 1: what game he's playing, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know the two of you. It's sort of this.
Speaker 1: It's sort of this like you know, reverse psychology thing,
Speaker 1: so it lets you actually know who he's threatened by,
Speaker 1: who he you know, respects who. It's very interesting. You
Speaker 1: know what about the other one? Because I got I
Speaker 1: got two A t N questions in the hour Reddit
Speaker 1: they to E t N questions, did you see the
Speaker 1: other one? No, I I missed. I missed it. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think the other one was where would you ran
Speaker 1: Dan Hans in an NFL media draft? Where would you
Speaker 1: take him in an NFL media draft? And I said
Speaker 1: I would take him in the first round, and they
Speaker 1: said really, I said yes, because nothing would bring me
Speaker 1: more joy than to treat him with some networking Canada.
Speaker 1: The other shoe drops Daniel Jeremy. You know where to
Speaker 1: find him. He's that moved the stacks. He has a
Speaker 1: podcast I believe that runs during the spring, maybe sporadically, sporadical,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love it. Check out and he'll
Speaker 1: be on NFL Network. But no, no, no, really every day.
Speaker 1: Forget forget that all that stuff. So the best thing
Speaker 1: about that whole reddit, underneath those questions, if you look
Speaker 1: on it, some people some people wrote like, hey, when
Speaker 1: did this whole rift start? Likely people underneath like no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: they're friends, like it's all they're just having fun. And
Speaker 1: somebody's like are you sure? Like I'm like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: playing this thing. Well, you'll never know for sure. Daniel Jeremiah.
Speaker 1: Thank you, very thank you. Guys, I appreciate you having me.
Speaker 1: And there he goes the wholesome assassin Daniel Jeremiah. Good
Speaker 1: chat with Danny. I mean this, I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've ever had such a likable group of guests in
Speaker 1: one program. And let's roll into the most likable of
Speaker 1: them all. She is the queen, you know of NFL media.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are saying that now that he Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard it. Yes she is, of course, you
Speaker 1: know the voice Colleen Wolf. Connie, what's up, Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show. Hello, Hello, Hello. Connie has so much
Speaker 1: free time right now, she's just wandering around Indianapolis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like the queen, the queen of NFL media, but
Speaker 1: like the drunk cousin of the combine, like I'm just lost.
Speaker 1: People are asking me if I know, if I know
Speaker 1: where I am, if I know what city I'm in
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah? All right? You know, Greg a bit
Speaker 1: of a sneaker head. Colleen's got the best shoes in
Speaker 1: the suite right now. Oh, thank you tell me more.
Speaker 1: It's a nice job. Jordan's yea the Wolf, the entire Wolf.
Speaker 1: John gonzoaz family much bigger sneaker head. I I would not.
Speaker 1: No one has seen these shoes before. This is the
Speaker 1: fourth pair of shoes that you've present presented to us
Speaker 1: this week. So running Wolf Gray on top of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well double wolf. All right, Connie is here. You know
Speaker 1: why she's here. She is at the center of one
Speaker 1: of the great promotions in the history of podcast. Build
Speaker 1: a theme song for Connie for this show. It will
Speaker 1: be the song that she every time she appears on
Speaker 1: the show going forward. Will what's the word I'm looking for?
Speaker 1: Will blank her arrival? Will announce announce her arrival. That's
Speaker 1: a good one for um. It was a p word
Speaker 1: I was looking for. Present. I don't know, we'll never know.
Speaker 1: It's over, it's gone, and I missed the opportunity. Yes, exactly, Connie,
Speaker 1: here you are, and so far, we're gonna listen to
Speaker 1: one more set of entries. We have closed of course,
Speaker 1: we have closed off anymore entries again, do not send
Speaker 1: any in. Yeah, I kind of feel bad. I didn't
Speaker 1: tweet about it at all to promote it. I also
Speaker 1: haven't tweeted really anything at all. So you fo, We've
Speaker 1: got enough, We've gotten enough, got enough. We're gonna listen
Speaker 1: to one more batch of songs and then we'll work
Speaker 1: it out with your schedule when we get back to
Speaker 1: l A. And we will, I'm sure you are. We
Speaker 1: will then um finally make the selection the song. Maybe
Speaker 1: next week, maybe the week after. Well, we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: But today Erica went through our Gmail v A t
Speaker 1: N podcast at Gmail for the last batch of contenders.
Speaker 1: Do we want to get into it? I can't wait? Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get it going. Ricky Hollywood, Don hit
Speaker 1: the DNF com and do the round the NFL machine
Speaker 1: who boy guns boys screaming Don boss and she's ahead
Speaker 1: of the game. A bit of an industrial nine inch
Speaker 1: nails like sort of no, maybe not yeah, the rhyman
Speaker 1: I like the Philly queen in line that was great,
Speaker 1: not bad. I mean these are these are also good? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not something you want to like hear a million times. Well,
Speaker 1: like now that comment right there, it's like there's someone
Speaker 1: out there in like Central Tennessee that's spent like twenty
Speaker 1: five hours putting that together. I mean, their whole heart
Speaker 1: and soul has been put into it. And Greg just
Speaker 1: with one like five letters cent five just destroys the person.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fine, it was I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: be wondering why they didn't make the finals and what
Speaker 1: they can do to improve for cutting analysis, Hey, Simon
Speaker 1: cow is the engine that makes the show go. Greg's
Speaker 1: got to play that role, alright, somebody's gotta be a
Speaker 1: bad guy. And uh, I thought it was very nice.
Speaker 1: Entry don't know if it makes the finals, but thank
Speaker 1: you to whoever sent that in up next Ricky shot
Speaker 1: she's got about TV at least one she grew up. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that was like a little billy jolly it was. I
Speaker 1: liked it, and it also was here's the only thing
Speaker 1: that's gonna work against this, gentleman. I know you can't
Speaker 1: say anything critical. Go ahead. One thing that has surprised
Speaker 1: me is the level of production. Uh. And a lot
Speaker 1: of these songs and Alex Mack has gone into making
Speaker 1: them sound like songs you would almost hear on the
Speaker 1: radio or from a commercial or radio jingle. And I
Speaker 1: really love the song structure and the melody and the songwriting,
Speaker 1: but it didn't have more of a demo feel to it.
Speaker 1: And what we're looking for is a finished product. Like
Speaker 1: I would almost say, like, what does that guy? Would
Speaker 1: he be a guy that I would you know, say, hey,
Speaker 1: do you want to take another crack at it and
Speaker 1: maybe put some bells and whistles on it and really
Speaker 1: produce it. Because I loved the melody I have to
Speaker 1: it was simple. I wonder if he played the piano
Speaker 1: himself to do it, like I know the way I
Speaker 1: mark a good song is doesn't make me bob my
Speaker 1: head am I am I going with the beat here,
Speaker 1: and that's what I did with this sound the song.
Speaker 1: It was a little jaunty, which I liked. I like
Speaker 1: a jaunty tune and I was a fan. I thought
Speaker 1: it sounded good. He could make a cleaner one. It
Speaker 1: also is a little different than the ones that have
Speaker 1: made our finals. I thought it was delightful. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say I quite enjoy it. Submitted a second one
Speaker 1: with it. It was a little bit when we're on
Speaker 1: these headsets, a little bit raw sound wise, but I
Speaker 1: wanted to take another shot at that. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Sound like a demo, but a very promising demo. And
Speaker 1: will that be enough to get that person into the finals?
Speaker 1: We'll find out. I think so Erica number three that
Speaker 1: was very produced, very produced, that was very like N E.
Speaker 1: R D. Like Neptunes early. I was a little mid
Speaker 1: to late period justin Timberlake there. Sure you pick up
Speaker 1: on that red same producer shaking her head, are nodding
Speaker 1: her head. I like that that that that was a
Speaker 1: fun one. It was a little different though it was
Speaker 1: very different was the second one. The second one I
Speaker 1: just thought was it was kind of bad, but it
Speaker 1: was good, like I liked it because it was I
Speaker 1: feel like Colleen's voice in should count like Trip of Us. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I do like to hear the lyrics. I think that's
Speaker 1: a fun part of it. I couldn't hear it as well. There.
Speaker 1: It was hard to decipher. I like to beat. You
Speaker 1: couldn't decipher the words as much. It was like a
Speaker 1: cool and edgier version though, which I liked. I like
Speaker 1: that we've had problem, but that that is not the
Speaker 1: measure of you as a woman. Don't worry about measure
Speaker 1: myself as a woman. Um. I have been really impressed.
Speaker 1: We didn't answer her questions. I'm thinking about it. She
Speaker 1: kind of got me. Um. I've been really impressed with
Speaker 1: the varied genres you have, the songs that was produced beautifully. Okay,
Speaker 1: how many do we have another one? Come on? Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, and next that's that's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a jazzy element there. That was like a dinner jazz
Speaker 1: and it had a little bit of a Nina Simon field.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was in a like underground like
Speaker 1: jazz lounge. I had to go downstairs. It was red
Speaker 1: like yes, exactly. I feel like I've inappropriately hushed Greg.
Speaker 1: Who I something is public this one. Yeah, let's come down.
Speaker 1: Let's come down with Nina Simone here there was like
Speaker 1: late you know, yeah, this is like what happened to
Speaker 1: Nina Simone. Nina Simone. The jazz element though, it speaks
Speaker 1: to my washed up socialite type routine. And I like that.
Speaker 1: We gotta get We have to get Greg in like
Speaker 1: a skin tight white T shirt where you could see
Speaker 1: his nipples, like Simon Cowell like, we gotta get He's
Speaker 1: gotta go full cowl. You know. I have been thinking
Speaker 1: about getting like years and years of plastic surgery so
Speaker 1: that I have a like I got a half monster,
Speaker 1: half man really keep people off balance. All right, that
Speaker 1: was a interesting one, Conny, and please go aheads wo
Speaker 1: first eight seconds where maybe some of my favorite stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah that is was that on the last arcade Fire
Speaker 1: Up Now. That was that was very Benfolds Benfolds Rocking
Speaker 1: the Suburbs era. That was great. It started and it
Speaker 1: felt like something we would be playing at, like a Westlemania.
Speaker 1: And then it took a little bit of a turn.
Speaker 1: There were some lyrics that seemed to yeah, didn't keep
Speaker 1: it a little unfinished lyrically, little noisy, but we all
Speaker 1: got really excited when the first the first seven eight
Speaker 1: seconds were great. I think it was fun. It made
Speaker 1: me feel something. Yeah, okay, one more. Alright, Well, let's
Speaker 1: let's we're gonna go a song by song at this point,
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's see where're at next up. Connie's here,
Speaker 1: She's gonna piece it all together for us. Finally, Oh
Speaker 1: I love it is a very um mark. How long
Speaker 1: did it take you to write that? I want to
Speaker 1: last night when we were out at this like she
Speaker 1: she steak bar thing, I at one point talk to
Speaker 1: Connie and she was just like, I don't do small talk,
Speaker 1: and you were legit kind of panicking, and like, I
Speaker 1: think that song kind of captured that great non egotistical
Speaker 1: essence essence of Connie where it's like awkwardness rules sometimes
Speaker 1: and that song hit it. I loved that. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was that was a finalist, a puzzle mark. You hit
Speaker 1: it so well. That was so well put because Colleen's
Speaker 1: personality was captured within those thirty seconds. The horn coming
Speaker 1: in with a steak surprise. I mean that was a band. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sort of had it like an eighties TV theme show vibes,
Speaker 1: And one thing I understood was that this is an
Speaker 1: intro to Colleen coming on the show, which I do
Speaker 1: think is is a plus. It's like some of them,
Speaker 1: some of them aren't necessary, like here she comes that
Speaker 1: one did. Yeah, I think we're senting that on straight
Speaker 1: to the final Yeah, congratulations to whoever that is. Let's
Speaker 1: listen to one more, one more, there we go. Hold
Speaker 1: that the wolf outside, it's Fox. Don't look now, boys, box,
Speaker 1: Oh she's just face up. That work got my boy,
Speaker 1: I look at the work fake. She wants all the fame,
Speaker 1: but look at her maid y'all. This girl's fot she
Speaker 1: ain't no promo and eagle at heart, just like Gonzo Gonzo,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be gone, Bros. It's cock Fox. Did he
Speaker 1: just put a hit on my husband? Is god? Bro?
Speaker 1: And then what happened with Fletcher. I think we need
Speaker 1: to listen to that again. I don't where it's I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't everyone there's yeah, there's a few
Speaker 1: reasons why they probably can't be the one weird listen.
Speaker 1: Don't look now, boys, it's Connie Box. Oh, she's just
Speaker 1: the face up to network. My boy. I look at
Speaker 1: the work with another reason. She wants all the fame.
Speaker 1: But this girl's eagle at heart, just like Bubble Gonzo Gonzo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna being gone. Bronn Box, never hear Cox. It's
Speaker 1: cot he said, Gonza is gonna be gone. Bro. Then
Speaker 1: when with the West he gone. If she ever gets
Speaker 1: with Fletcher Cox, because she's gonna be Cox. Fox, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: amazing Fox Cox, that would be your name. That had
Speaker 1: They had a lot going and there's so much great
Speaker 1: stuff and really packed a lot. If Mark wrote there
Speaker 1: at the piano one, I think that would have been mine.
Speaker 1: That was that was great. He had like three unnecessary shots,
Speaker 1: ended with like a joke sort of. It was great.
Speaker 1: Suddenly Gonzo was gone. What happened to John John in
Speaker 1: this scenario? Cox came in and that was it? Huh
Speaker 1: was out? Well, that makes you a little uncomfortable obviously
Speaker 1: and things, but I was I think that was very
Speaker 1: entertaining for this show. It was great that we got
Speaker 1: it in there. Yeah. Yes, like I said, just just
Speaker 1: because the song doesn't win doesn't mean they will not
Speaker 1: show up again down the line, because what people would
Speaker 1: I have not made clear in the rules is that
Speaker 1: we now have complete ownership of all these songs, so
Speaker 1: we reserve the rights to play them in perpetuity if
Speaker 1: we've solved our music issue. Thank you for doing the
Speaker 1: work for us. Um, all right, so that is the
Speaker 1: anything you heard. We kind of decided that will be
Speaker 1: the group that will choose from and then maybe we'll
Speaker 1: have been an arrow narrow down to five finalists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems fair. And then um Colleen will figure out
Speaker 1: a date next Friday. Next Friday, you run, I think, so,
Speaker 1: all right, well we'll figure that off one but which
Speaker 1: we're not gonna reveal. Let's let's reveal that on for
Speaker 1: on that show, because it's a great idea that you had,
Speaker 1: and I think it could be a home run logistically
Speaker 1: a little tricky, but a home run if we could
Speaker 1: pull it out. All right, that's it. This is our
Speaker 1: last Um, well, now we have one more show coming
Speaker 1: up this week. It is oh yeah, the Free Agency
Speaker 1: one oh one countdown list with Greg and West and
Speaker 1: a little tease there will be maybe a second one
Speaker 1: on one list to keep it keep your eyes on
Speaker 1: about that so um that is coming up tomorrow, the
Speaker 1: annual Greg and West Free Agency one oh one episode
Speaker 1: that will be completely about that fine list by the Gentleman,
Speaker 1: which is actually up right now at NFL dot com,
Speaker 1: slash NFL dot com, slash top one one free Agents.
Speaker 1: It's a mouthful, all right, Colleen, thank you for joining us,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for bringing all this music into
Speaker 1: my life. You did talk for this, I did, I
Speaker 1: kind of, Let's be honest. I needed to. I needed
Speaker 1: to get out of my hotel room. That's good, and
Speaker 1: uh we will have one more night here, uh in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and then uh, you know, we'll be back in
Speaker 1: l A and we'll have a lot of fun. How
Speaker 1: long are you here, Colin? I'm here until Monday. You're
Speaker 1: on NFL. You're excited. I am. I am. I'm just
Speaker 1: gearing up. You know, it's a big week ahead. It
Speaker 1: would be like gray weather. Yep, I do as it
Speaker 1: turns out all right, thank you, Connie. It's kind Fox,
Speaker 1: the old boss behind the glass Bill Thursday, getting on
Speaker 1: the cake. She wants all the fame, but let's get
Speaker 1: her pain, y'all. This girl's flyt. She ain't no prono
Speaker 1: and eagle at heart, just like my boy Gonzo. For Gonzo, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be gone from heat. A tiny box ever hears,
Speaker 1: plus your cocks, it's cotton Fox.