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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory, Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: Patrick.

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Speaker 1: We are back home in windy cold Chicago. I've caught

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Speaker 1: up on sleep. I've caught up on my sleep. I

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Speaker 1: don't think cotton is a word. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: I said cotton. I've caught up on my sleep barely.

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Speaker 1: I could probably go, you know what, it could probably

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Speaker 1: go for a few more hours.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If you're on the way back there.

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Speaker 2: Man, It's always a long week.

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Speaker 1: Whenever the winter meetings hit, the Cubs weren't crazy busy.

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Speaker 1: There were some big moves that happened this week. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: I think the last of the big moves would probably

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Speaker 1: say was the Pee Alonzo signing that happened after we recorded.

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Speaker 1: I believe last the Orioles stepping up there. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's what happens. They're they're kind of, you know, you

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Speaker 1: fail to meet expectations. You got to start spending and

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Speaker 1: spending aggressively to get back in it. And it seems

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Speaker 1: like the Orioles are trying to be one of those

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Speaker 1: aggressive teams this winter, along with Toronto every winter. The

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are out there. The Mets are not the aggressive

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Speaker 1: team this winter. It appears, at least so far. We've

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Speaker 1: not seen them aggressively spend, and the Cubs aren't aggressively spending,

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Speaker 1: but they are. It's similar to what we said last episode.

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Speaker 1: They're talking to teams, they're talking i mean representatives, they're

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Speaker 1: talking about higher end free agents, and they've gotten smaller

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Speaker 1: deals done. The bullpen is slowly starting to come together

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Speaker 1: and people are gonna lose their minds about these small moves.

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Speaker 1: But they've made a couple with Coln Snyder, who's a

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Speaker 1: minor league deal, and then of course Hoby Milner, who

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Speaker 1: was linked to the Cubs last winter and is a

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Speaker 1: you know, Craig Council favorite.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's haide of.

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Speaker 4: Imagine how tired you would be if you actually covered

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Speaker 4: a big market team that acts like a big market team,

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Speaker 4: or if the Cubs actually did anything of substance during

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Speaker 4: our time in Orlando. Obviously, there were some of these

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Speaker 4: smaller moves around the bullpen, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: time to go but yeah, it was not exactly a

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Speaker 4: show stopper down there in Orlando from.

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Speaker 3: The Cub's perspective.

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Speaker 4: Who knows, maybe something will pop here before Christmas, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: We sort of looked at each other down there of

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Speaker 4: like reminiscing on the John Lester signing when you know,

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Speaker 4: Cubs officials were doing uh.

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Speaker 3: Was it tequila?

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Speaker 4: They're doing shots at the bar at least, so they're

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Speaker 4: doing shots in San Diego there to celebrate their signing

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Speaker 4: of John Lester, and it was, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: performative to an extent, like they definitely enjoyed walking down

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Speaker 4: to the lobby there and being like, yeah, we took

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Speaker 4: this guy away from.

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Speaker 3: The Red Sox.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Giants, the Dodgers were sort of you know,

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Speaker 4: at least there's a perception they were lurking. And now

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Speaker 4: it's a lot of you know, a lot of talking,

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Speaker 4: smaller moves for the bullpen, which I think these moves

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Speaker 4: for the bullpen absolutely makes sense. But there's a lot

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Speaker 4: like guys that they've been sort of interested or they

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Speaker 4: but you know, going being willing to go three years

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Speaker 4: for Devin Williams is not exactly like you know, unconventional move.

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Speaker 4: And clearly they were not strong enough in there to

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Speaker 4: Fairbanks is still out there. Amliopagan went off the board

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Speaker 4: before the winter meetings. Ryan Helsley, you know they were

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Speaker 4: definitely in on he signed with the Orioles. So I

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Speaker 4: think you feel better about some of those bullpen moves

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Speaker 4: if you had more of a late ending anchor coming

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're not like you said they're I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to get that guy in. They're aggressively so

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Speaker 2: Not yet, not yet.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if I fully expect them to

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Speaker 1: I just that's not what they do for especially for relievers, littlone.

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Speaker 2: I mean to separate topic. Is it what they do

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Speaker 1: We have seen that behavior recently, but it's not what

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Speaker 1: trying for a few others. We'll see where Pete Fairbrank

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Speaker 1: the way Craig Council spoke of the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: You know, they can't, they can't go into.

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Speaker 1: This this season without adding you know, a lot a

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Speaker 1: Colin Snyder had a really good twenty twenty four Patrick

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Speaker 1: A guy went to tread and got you know, figured

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Speaker 1: he was one of those guys when I was looking

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Speaker 2: Like this guy's.

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Speaker 1: Striking out thirteen percent of batters and jumps to like

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Speaker 2: That's crazy. That's a crazy jump. And it didn't really

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Speaker 2: make sense. But you know, he learned how to use

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Speaker 1: Was a little dropped off in the strikeout range last

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Speaker 1: does he get back to who he was in twenty four?

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Speaker 1: Is it just you know, like there's gonna be many

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Speaker 1: more minor league signings. There have been a handful and

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Speaker 1: there'll be more. We may not talk about him at all.

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Speaker 1: Milner's the guy that I think, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: He's going to keep the ball on the ground, comes

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Speaker 1: But they had to do They had to do something,

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Speaker 1: these are like six seventh inning guys, if that, you know,

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Speaker 2: But you did.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can make it work, and I think

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Speaker 4: I believe it is our buddy Marknzalaz. I want to

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know, Gonzo had covered the Cubs for a long time,

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Speaker 4: he tweeted, you know, Milwaukee wasn't built in a day

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Speaker 4: well as a guy they brought back. Always liked that line.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, like that's what farn office do.

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Speaker 4: I you know, it wouldn't be shocked if one of

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Speaker 4: I don't think the Cubs are gonna match that, but

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't be crazy to think that. You know, one

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Speaker 4: I like pitching for counsel, like playing at Wrigley Field.

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Speaker 4: That's another way, but still, you know, the the you know,

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Speaker 4: fifteen million dollar closer. I don't think the Cubs are

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Speaker 3: I think I haven't heard Luke Weaver.

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Speaker 4: I think that's a good name, you know, Kenlee Jansen team,

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Speaker 4: but I wasn't Counsel's reaction. You allude to this earlier

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Speaker 4: essentially like the bullpen, Yeah, we need one. Wasn't that

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Speaker 4: they were wrong about their bullpen. They got their bullpen

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Speaker 4: assuming that's what like Ryan Presley thinking Porter Hodge could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean you have to keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: You just don't you can feel confident about your bullpen

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Speaker 1: the contributors. And Council knows this council, you know, he

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Speaker 1: he knows that the bullpen's morph over the course of

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Speaker 2: He kind of. I think it's almost preferred in.

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Speaker 1: A way, because you don't want to overuse certain guys

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's really or or.

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Speaker 1: I guess you'd love to have six guys that just

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Speaker 1: it's a puzzle that they're constantly trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: offensively position player wise. I feel like we've come away

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Speaker 1: from the winter meetings. Uh, you know pitching was the priority.

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Speaker 1: It remains the priority.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder that there's we've heard enough rumblings like

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Speaker 1: are they going to adjust this offense right now? It's

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Speaker 1: the Moyses, bias Teris and Owen Casey have runway.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 1: I find that, you know, to be interesting in one

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Speaker 1: But also, you know you're in this win now mode.

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Speaker 1: You're trying to balance player development with winning now. It

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Speaker 1: comes over the weekend. Hey, I do feel like there's

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Speaker 1: been big moves every weekend after the winter meetings. I

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Speaker 1: believe Dansby Swanson happened the saturday after the Winter meetings.

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Speaker 1: I think Kyle Tucker happened right after we got home

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Speaker 1: or that weekend after, so we'll see. It didn't feel

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Speaker 1: like they were on the verge of something. But it

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Speaker 1: also sometimes trade rumors are hard to to pick up

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Speaker 1: on and and maybe they're they're gonna knock out a

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Speaker 1: trade here, but that's it's yet to come, so I

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Speaker 1: understand if if Cubs fans are getting impatient, but there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of off season left. We'll cover it all.

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Speaker 1: We'll have more next week. Hopefully there's more to talk

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Speaker 1: about Cubs movement wise, otherwise we'll be back at it

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Speaker 1: either way. Thanks so much for listening everyone. This is

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Speaker 1: Northside Territory. Make sure to rate, review, subscribe, subscribe to

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Speaker 2: And I are on top of all things Cubs. Thanks

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