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Speaker 3: Y'all know what this was?
Speaker 5: The Gangster the Chronicles. It's Big still with the homeboy
Speaker 5: Yip and we was having the conversation earlier today and
Speaker 5: that's how most of our episodes go. Me and they
Speaker 5: hate having the conversation, but we just go with that.
Speaker 5: I asked the question, is it every time when someone
Speaker 5: is too old to gang bang and claim their neighborhood.
Speaker 4: I guess it depends on if if gang banging is
Speaker 4: the backbone and the foundation of who you are as
Speaker 4: a as a person.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And what I try to when I what I mean
Speaker 4: by that is gang bang has been around for a
Speaker 4: long time, and uh, you gotta feel some to some
Speaker 4: to some of us, that was our heritage of foundation, right.
Speaker 4: You know, you didn't have to you know, you didn't
Speaker 4: have the grandfather who had the big farm and generational
Speaker 4: wealth was passed down, or you know, you didn't have
Speaker 4: the celebrity whatever. All we had was gang banging, right,
Speaker 4: So that became your foundation because that was what you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't after I turned a certain age and before
Speaker 4: I started rapping, I didn't think that, you know, my
Speaker 4: future existed as of being the man who went to
Speaker 4: nine to five job and came home. You know, those
Speaker 4: years between fourteen and maybe thirty, it was hood representation.
Speaker 4: You get me. It was nigga khaki suits and you know,
Speaker 4: and okay, I started rapping and you're able to acquire
Speaker 4: a little bit of success or whatever, but that still
Speaker 4: doesn't transition over to the hood was everything you get me.
Speaker 4: The hood, you know, allowed me to you know, serve
Speaker 4: and make my good, allowed me a space to congregate
Speaker 4: with my peers to where you know, you felt safe
Speaker 4: in your neighborhood, to where you wasn't out of bounce
Speaker 4: or nothing. And so I say, a lot of niggas,
Speaker 4: you know, some niggas who you know went away to
Speaker 4: prison and got that twenty five of life and whatever,
Speaker 4: and they're just now coming home. You're welcome back to
Speaker 4: the hood. You get me. You're seen as that og
Speaker 4: who represented who walked that line, and who gave you
Speaker 4: no prowess to the neighborhood. So a lot of niggas
Speaker 4: feel like, yeah, that's I mean, you know, some niggas
Speaker 4: come home and like I said, you back to the block.
Speaker 4: The niggas get killed, niggas go to prison whatever, blah blah,
Speaker 4: and then back to the neighborhood they see us go because,
Speaker 4: like I said, again, for a lot of niggas who
Speaker 4: don't change, the mentality of the hood is everything you
Speaker 4: unable to go out and and be you know, a
Speaker 4: regular man and get a nine to five and whatever.
Speaker 4: And then some niggas who still do that, still go
Speaker 4: back to the hood and represent the hood.
Speaker 5: You get me, so, well, what do you say about
Speaker 5: to do that's a grandpa? No, he's a grandfather. Let's
Speaker 5: say he don did a bed, he don't been locked up,
Speaker 5: and he come home at the fifteen years. He's a grandfather.
Speaker 5: Now he got grandkids. And in some cases his grandson
Speaker 5: might be claiming the hood. He might be a little
Speaker 5: tiny look or a little tiny blood from the hood.
Speaker 5: You feel what I'm saying. So he's gonna be out
Speaker 5: that gang banging with his grandson. Like I said, he
Speaker 5: ain't gonna be out there putting work. But when you
Speaker 5: go to grandpa house, everybody know he was the old
Speaker 5: g from the set.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 4: It's like I said, it's hard to decipher because a
Speaker 4: lot of people don't stand gang banging at the point
Speaker 4: of it. And but yeah, a lot of that is
Speaker 4: family tradition handed down.
Speaker 3: I knew I.
Speaker 4: Knew brothers, brothers that I hung with. You know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, thirty years ago they have kids and their
Speaker 4: kids had kids. They kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah that's crazy. You know what, bro, I guess and
Speaker 5: you know what I should understand.
Speaker 3: Game bang.
Speaker 5: I've been on the West coast since I was seventeen.
Speaker 5: I'm my fifties number.
Speaker 4: All my friends, right, don't you know niggas that you
Speaker 4: hung around like you said you didn't game bang, but
Speaker 4: you niggas niggas.
Speaker 3: Who banged All my friends are gang bangers.
Speaker 4: Niggas niggas with them niggas turn around right now, just
Speaker 4: on the strength and be like what up come? You know,
Speaker 4: blah blah. You know they still saying where they're from.
Speaker 4: You get me, it's not like that. You Probably half
Speaker 4: the niggas you know, probably still doing that.
Speaker 5: And it might and you know what, I'm gonna tell you,
Speaker 5: like this, that's not all the time thing.
Speaker 3: No what a couple of them it is.
Speaker 5: But with most of them, it may be when they
Speaker 5: get upset about something or maybe with something funny. Hu
Speaker 5: said this, you see, blood did this. That's how it was, right.
Speaker 5: But they for the most part kind of like stay
Speaker 5: in this kind of like neutrality about the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Now somebody come tripping, they gonna let you know this
Speaker 5: such and such, you know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 3: And they ready to flash of the moment's notice.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, man, don't get a little too old
Speaker 5: at some point when you become grandpa in the set
Speaker 5: man and your grandson is gang banging, and you may
Speaker 5: have your grandson may have a son.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know what I saw the other day, shout out
Speaker 5: to my homeboy Marv because he takes credit as the
Speaker 5: oldest lifting priory.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I told him, Marv, And he's a funny dude.
Speaker 5: I told them, Marrow, at seventy some years old, still
Speaker 5: look like in your shape. And I've heard, you know,
Speaker 5: a legacy that I told him, still knocked a few
Speaker 5: dudes out, a few young dudes, but a pocket.
Speaker 4: It's not impossible, I said, I guess. I guess. Being
Speaker 4: of age and representing the neighborhood. I mean you you
Speaker 4: you got og status, you get me, and then some
Speaker 4: are and some are accepted for that, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Putting in work for the hood, going down,
Speaker 4: doing the bed, coming home, people still recognize you as that.
Speaker 4: You know, they might not think like, oh, this is man,
Speaker 4: this nigga finna come home and he feel to be
Speaker 4: on one and hitting corners and Wookie won't. But you're
Speaker 4: respected because of the line you walked. And I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know why it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's frowned upon. Like I said, when you get a
Speaker 4: certain age, I guess you're supposed to transition, you know,
Speaker 4: just for anything as a man you get me as
Speaker 4: we get older, we're supposed to get more mature, wiser
Speaker 4: and you know, be aware and steer them on the
Speaker 4: path of a straight line. But like I tell niggas,
Speaker 4: when that's your foundation, it's kind of you know, it's
Speaker 4: kind of it's kind of difficulty to to just say,
Speaker 4: you know, I you know, I'm fifty now. So the
Speaker 4: rag is put up, so to speak, because even though
Speaker 4: you're trying to walk a straight path, there's a niggas
Speaker 4: always out there, who know, you used to be from here,
Speaker 4: and nigga might want to test you.
Speaker 3: Still.
Speaker 4: You could have all the respect and whatever you want
Speaker 4: from niggas and the ogs love it and whatever, but
Speaker 4: you know, enemies as enemies and that's what it is.
Speaker 4: So you just always have to be fearful of that.
Speaker 4: So that's why I think, you know, because gang banging
Speaker 4: is that generational, you know, that generational shit. You get me, Uh,
Speaker 4: if if I was, if I was still you know,
Speaker 4: in the hood and living in the crib in the hood,
Speaker 4: you know, because some niggas do that, you know, on
Speaker 4: a regular on regular ship. You know, you grow up
Speaker 4: in the hood, right, didn't become you know still with
Speaker 4: the podcast and the football and the motherfucking your regular nigga,
Speaker 4: and you still in the hood. There's there's there's there's
Speaker 4: a chance that you're not gonna venture out of the neighborhood, nigga.
Speaker 4: If you can rent a house around the corner coming
Speaker 4: out of Mama's house, you getting me. You can rent
Speaker 4: an apartment around the corner, that's where you're gonna go, right,
Speaker 4: and then you're gonna go to apartment. You're gonna be
Speaker 4: in the hood, still kicking it whatever or not too
Speaker 4: far away. And then you're gonna come to the hood
Speaker 4: every day. And then you're transitioning of what getting a
Speaker 4: real ship. You know, I got a regular I got
Speaker 4: a job, nigga, I'm working construction or I'm down at
Speaker 4: the dots and you know whatever, whatever, you still come
Speaker 4: into the hood every day when you gotta lay right.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's say you were one of them dudes that
Speaker 5: you know, because you got dudes to still claim the hood,
Speaker 5: but I'd like to call them kind of semi retired.
Speaker 5: You feel what I'm saying, if you will, like they
Speaker 5: semi retired. They still mess with the homies here and there,
Speaker 5: but for the most part, they go to work and
Speaker 5: they hanging out with their families.
Speaker 4: They may have uh, you know, older niggas, niggas that
Speaker 4: was older than me that that are still around and
Speaker 4: they still meet up at the park and they still
Speaker 4: kick it and barbecue and be in the alleys, you know,
Speaker 4: playing dominoes and it's niggas. That's just.
Speaker 5: What else their lifestyle. So so, would you say the
Speaker 5: game banging is a lifestyle.
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely, but it's it's but the lifestyle has been manipulated,
Speaker 4: you did me because the lifestyle has been monop my
Speaker 4: of times. The lifestyle has been uh openly accepted by
Speaker 4: those other people now so and then it's there's a
Speaker 4: lot of craziness with the ship.
Speaker 3: Now. You know we were.
Speaker 5: Talking about we were talking about Jim Jones earlier, and
Speaker 5: Jim Jones is kind of like, I don't seen Jim
Speaker 5: Jones reinvent himself a couple of times, you know.
Speaker 3: He came out he was like cams and them.
Speaker 5: He was like kind of like the executive slash, bodyguard slash,
Speaker 5: just a homie that was around the rap every once
Speaker 5: in a while to where he put out a hit records.
Speaker 5: When he put when he put Balling out, he had
Speaker 5: a hit record right then. You saw him kind of
Speaker 5: a sin of where he came with a certified Gamester record.
Speaker 5: You're like, Okay, this dude is the rap start now, right.
Speaker 5: He really worked his way up the ranks in the
Speaker 5: traditional way, because that's kind of how it used to
Speaker 5: be with us. You know, you might start off as
Speaker 5: a roadie. I know Redman and them started off as
Speaker 5: as roadies for epm D. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They went rapping at first. They was just the homies
Speaker 5: that you know, trying to get on right battle and
Speaker 5: catch the shows.
Speaker 3: So we see him now he's kind of like on
Speaker 3: this Hood World tour.
Speaker 5: He was just out here with Waco and he out
Speaker 5: here showing what one hundred like I'm out here in
Speaker 5: the neighborhood. But the thing is, this guy's in his
Speaker 5: fifties right and people are loving it, loving it.
Speaker 4: That's because his representation right now is up the streets
Speaker 4: and like I said, you're gonna get tired of a
Speaker 4: lot of bullshit. You know, it just happens in hip hop.
Speaker 4: You get me. The Gang Bang in music was always
Speaker 4: frowned upon, but it was loved You get Me, and
Speaker 4: it sold a gang of records. But then music started.
Speaker 4: You know, basically the doors blew off, right and basically
Speaker 4: everything is open with hip hop. You get me. You
Speaker 4: can be the back packer, you could be the hip hopper,
Speaker 4: you could be you could be lgbt Q, you get me, oopen.
Speaker 4: But the foundation of rap was something different. Of hip hop,
Speaker 4: it was something different. So and for New York to
Speaker 4: be one of those places who's looked at as the
Speaker 4: mecca or the foundation of hip hop was bred on
Speaker 4: hardship New York niggas, you get me, the rock hymns
Speaker 4: and the Big Daddy Kynes and the epm ds that
Speaker 4: that represented you know, hard music. You know, the Bronx
Speaker 4: scenario and the Harlem shit and all that that represented
Speaker 4: us a scene. And when you started confusing that with
Speaker 4: all kinds of shit, you know, niggas now want to
Speaker 4: you know, be three piece suited, and you know, niggas
Speaker 4: want to be popping Champagnes and Lamborghinis and just want
Speaker 4: to be made backs and all that, and you're forgetting
Speaker 4: about the niggas who you get me. You're forgetting about
Speaker 4: the niggas on the blocks and the bricks where the
Speaker 4: foundation of what we You get me, because you know
Speaker 4: they started banging and niggas was cripping and blooding, and
Speaker 4: so now you got the niggas of a foundation of
Speaker 4: street shit that niggas they missing, you feel me? Just
Speaker 4: like the scenario when fifty came out, you giving me.
Speaker 4: We had all this sing song ass rap shit, and
Speaker 4: you know niggas was too balling for the nigga jumping
Speaker 4: out with Louis Vatan draws on and all kinds of
Speaker 4: feel niggas forgotten. Niggas forgot the foundation of hip hop.
Speaker 4: So when fifty came out, it blew the doors because
Speaker 4: it was something New York missing, like we missing that
Speaker 4: that you get me. I think that with Jim Jones,
Speaker 4: he's taking it to a place where like damn, like
Speaker 4: we y'all niggas is all trying to be fancy and
Speaker 4: we just some greedy niggas at the block in front
Speaker 4: of the Bodetta trying to make money, and we in
Speaker 4: the project still and niggas is nigga were still wearing
Speaker 4: timberlains and hanging out on the corners and ship. We
Speaker 4: we're not in the high rises and ship, you know,
Speaker 4: with our feet kicked up with the white executives. And
Speaker 4: you know, I got a twenty million dollar check. You know,
Speaker 4: no nigga, we out here struggling. When a nigga represent
Speaker 4: when a nigga represents us, makes niggas go fuck that
Speaker 4: other ship. You get me. So now not only do
Speaker 4: niggas start looking at it in your section, they start
Speaker 4: looking at it like across the board or this nigga
Speaker 4: like y'all trying to hate on it and talk about
Speaker 4: a nigga old and why he's still in the hood
Speaker 4: and won't he won't. But you start seeing all the
Speaker 4: hood niggas respected, you get me because they feeling like
Speaker 4: we got representation for us again. And with the music.
Speaker 4: You give me this nigga talking my nigga, I'm from Harlem.
Speaker 4: Fuck all that other shit. Fuck all of this and
Speaker 4: that nigga Harlem nigga back in Harlem. We did this
Speaker 4: and niggas did that, and niggas he making niggas remember
Speaker 4: of what it was, and so niggas go, oh fuck
Speaker 4: that you give me so and whatnot? What Knot's gonna
Speaker 4: work more? When you get the hood niggas behind you,
Speaker 4: you get me like, come on, man, nigga, I will
Speaker 4: give a fuck nigga. Yeah, okay, you fifty nigga homie
Speaker 4: while here forty and but the young cat is twenty something.
Speaker 4: But then you connect then with all the niggas who
Speaker 4: still on that shit, you feel me. And when it
Speaker 4: comes to that shit, it don't matter the age. If
Speaker 4: you're representing the block, nigga's gonna respect it just period.
Speaker 4: Because you didn't sell out or figured you had to
Speaker 4: do what the other niggas is doing, that ain't really
Speaker 4: representing us. Like I don't know. Niggas started thinking that
Speaker 4: money made you og. You feel me and money just
Speaker 4: makes money. You still be a fuck nigga with money.
Speaker 4: You just got money. You ain't hard because you got money.
Speaker 4: You just got money.
Speaker 5: Well you know what, man, I'm gonna tell you. Money
Speaker 5: became a thing for the suck of the kind of
Speaker 5: flex on the hard dude exactly. That became his flex.
Speaker 5: So it was a time to where and it's always
Speaker 5: been that way. The guy that has money, it's kind
Speaker 5: of got a pass because if he had money, he
Speaker 5: didn't have to be that tough because he can have
Speaker 5: people hanging out with him.
Speaker 3: It was tough.
Speaker 5: Wasn't nobody gonna bother him because they was he was
Speaker 5: paying these people is around him, right, So it really
Speaker 5: was kind of distant. It was a distant, genuine relationship
Speaker 5: right yard all the time that a woman may marry
Speaker 5: a dude that she don't really love because he got
Speaker 5: what he got paid for. He got security. Most women
Speaker 5: want security. They're like, man, you know what the other
Speaker 5: nigga he put it down.
Speaker 4: He you know, he that nigga everything out in the
Speaker 4: two seconds.
Speaker 3: But he.
Speaker 4: This motherfucker got to pay motherfuckers.
Speaker 3: To do it.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, this dude right here got a job, He
Speaker 5: got a own for me and mine. You know, she
Speaker 5: may want to start having kids if she don't got them,
Speaker 5: so she thinking about the bigger picture. She's like, well, man,
Speaker 5: that other dude, that's cool, but I'm going over here
Speaker 5: with the money. You see what I'm saying. I'm going
Speaker 5: with the money because money, you know, ye about money
Speaker 5: bring happiness exactly.
Speaker 4: But it don't all the time. You get me, But
Speaker 4: I've learned it's all about who's who's true and who's
Speaker 4: you know, it's all about who who will fuck with
Speaker 4: you if you got uh seven dollars in your pocket
Speaker 4: or seven million. And I've learned that. You know, it's
Speaker 4: only a few of them type of people. You get me.
Speaker 5: But you know what, bro, I'm gonna tell you this, right,
Speaker 5: I think it's the average person in this country makes
Speaker 5: forty thousand dollars a year, right.
Speaker 3: For yeah, And I'm talking about people that take.
Speaker 5: Care of families two or three pis, have a car, no,
Speaker 5: got a house, no to whatever like that, and they
Speaker 5: take a year. They may have a wife that work.
Speaker 5: She may make thirty forty thousand dollars, so they do that.
Speaker 5: They take care of kids, and the man make it work.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: That is the common person in the United States. The
Speaker 5: whole thing, the whole misconception about everybody being a baller
Speaker 5: is a big ass myth. Yeah, because the majority of
Speaker 5: the people on this copy bro making I want to
Speaker 5: make sure it's right. Let me look at that average
Speaker 5: salary in US. The average salary in the US always off.
Speaker 5: The average yearly salary in the US is sixty five
Speaker 5: thousand dollars, right, sixty five thousand dollars. Hold on, and
Speaker 5: then they say the median annual ways for all US
Speaker 5: works is forty eight thousand. That's what I saw. That's
Speaker 5: more likely. That's more in line with what I was
Speaker 5: talking about, right, right, that's the average everyday American because
Speaker 5: sixty five sixty six. I ain't gonna say you upper
Speaker 5: middle class, but you kind of you Okay, you feel
Speaker 5: what I'm saying you? All right, you can make that work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 4: You can survive and not be worried about paying the
Speaker 4: cable bill next.
Speaker 5: Month, exactly. But when you're making forty forty eight thousand
Speaker 5: dollars a year having cable a luxury homeboy, exactly, that's
Speaker 5: gonna be the first bill getting cut off every month.
Speaker 5: You know that you're not gonna let your lights get
Speaker 5: shut off, the white TV.
Speaker 4: And depending on what you're mortgage or your rent or
Speaker 4: your lease, is you anywhere between motherfucking two and four thousand.
Speaker 5: Oh man out here in LA. You know, my son,
Speaker 5: he lived in a cool area, but he stay alone beach, right,
Speaker 5: he stay off you know a few hours down from
Speaker 5: the beach. This dude is in the one. It's not
Speaker 5: a studio apartment, but it's one of them little apartments
Speaker 5: where you got your separate little kitchen, you got your
Speaker 5: living room, but then the other half of the living
Speaker 5: room is like a little bed where you can put
Speaker 5: your little bed at or whatever. Man he paying twenty
Speaker 5: nine hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: A month for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's La County and it's Long Beach and
Speaker 4: when you down there in Long Beach, Bottled Water or
Speaker 4: wherever in a nice area. Yeah, that shit is is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Like I said, so you you you definitely, you definitely
Speaker 4: would be in a predicament. You get me. And that's
Speaker 4: for a young kid just starting out.
Speaker 5: And that's him, you know, you gotta remember, and he
Speaker 5: made income was fireman, right, so he hang out with
Speaker 5: all of the firemen and he's like it down there
Speaker 5: because half the places they go, like we got them
Speaker 5: little bars. They go on the Hunting Beach and stuff
Speaker 5: that's right down the street from there. And he go
Speaker 5: hang out with his you know, fireman boys, and he's
Speaker 5: safe and he kicks it.
Speaker 3: He has a good time.
Speaker 5: Because he told me all of my sons, all of
Speaker 5: my kids are total opposite. Step Fine is the square,
Speaker 5: straight laced. When he always knew he wanted to be
Speaker 5: a public servant, he was going to either be a
Speaker 5: police officer or fireman. And he's a fireman, right. Chris
Speaker 5: always played football. But Chris played with a bunch of
Speaker 5: dudes from Compton Watts Long Beach, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: the projects.
Speaker 3: So he kind of emphasized a little bit more that
Speaker 3: even though he was in the hood, dude furthest from it.
Speaker 5: All his boys are, that's who he who he played with,
Speaker 5: even that Saint John Bosko, he played with dudes that
Speaker 5: was from the neighborhood. Did he played with dudes that
Speaker 5: had the eggs to him? You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Whereas Jasmine, she'd the mixture of both. While she appreciates
Speaker 5: all that stuff, she's still like, Oh, I ain't doing that.
Speaker 5: That's ghetto.
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: They all extremes, Steph, I don't don't want to be
Speaker 5: around that stuff. He thinks all that stuff is just
Speaker 5: like the worst stuff in the world. Chris think everything
Speaker 5: got a motive. He think everything got a reason. Jazzmine,
Speaker 5: she kind of in the middle. She thinks it's ghetto,
Speaker 5: but she like whatever. You know. So the average dude
Speaker 5: out here that he was kind of keeping it real,
Speaker 5: so to speak, He's going to identify with more people
Speaker 5: because that's who the average person is in this country.
Speaker 5: The average person in this country is the person that's
Speaker 5: kind of living checked the check. Oh, definitely, it ain't
Speaker 5: no whole bunch of balling going on. And I think
Speaker 5: Jim always identified with the common man because he seeing
Speaker 5: someone day that I kind of as a dude that
Speaker 5: got a mediocre career. You feel what I'm saying, You
Speaker 5: living cool, but you not really living. You know, it's
Speaker 5: not a steady thing, right. He said something one day,
Speaker 5: he said, sometimes you gotta tell a wife and them
Speaker 5: maid you know what, we can't get Louis Vatan and
Speaker 5: go do this and go on trips and all that
Speaker 5: and now, but we gonna be back to balling then
Speaker 5: about five six months. I gotta get these projects together.
Speaker 5: I gotta do this and do that. Then we gonna
Speaker 5: get back to it. Right, that's the reality for the
Speaker 5: A B.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you, like I said, you gotta you gotta have
Speaker 4: somebody who understands the situation and like you said, if
Speaker 4: you're dealing with the common man and the common hood, nigga,
Speaker 4: everything is a hustle. You feel me small? You know,
Speaker 4: we gotta learn that shit.
Speaker 1: Uh we not.
Speaker 4: We might not be motherfucking uh fucking ten to fifty
Speaker 4: million dollar rich, but you know we can climb that ladder.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, man, And it's just a I think in
Speaker 5: the age we and Man, I was talking to one
Speaker 5: of the homies. You know, we always having conversations, right.
Speaker 5: I was talking to a couple of the young homies.
Speaker 5: They close to getting them a little situation, right, and
Speaker 5: I was kind of managing their expectations of telling them
Speaker 5: what to expect. And I was telling them like, don't
Speaker 5: believe these rap these music videos. Don't believe none of
Speaker 5: this stuff because all of it is kind of all
Speaker 5: of it is kind of a lie, right, all of
Speaker 5: it is a myth.
Speaker 3: We got the homie Glasses Malone in the house. He
Speaker 3: just came through. He gonna love this conversation. So we
Speaker 3: we kind of got away from it a little bit.
Speaker 5: Bro. The question was is it ever too late for
Speaker 5: a dude to be out their gang band, to push
Speaker 5: the line in his neighborhood.
Speaker 6: What do you mean pushing the line for his neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Like a dude. That's just saying he a gang bang.
Speaker 3: He from the hood.
Speaker 5: He may be, he may be a grandfather, he may
Speaker 5: got he may got grandkids that belong to the neighborhood. Now,
Speaker 5: he may not be out there active, but he is
Speaker 5: in his late fifties, early sixties, out there still pushing
Speaker 5: the line for his neighborhood.
Speaker 7: But you don't really push your line for your neighborhood
Speaker 7: like you really push your line for your friends. So
Speaker 7: I don't know if there's ever an age where pushing
Speaker 7: the line for your friends you can get too old.
Speaker 7: But I think there's a rhetoric about pushing the line
Speaker 7: for your neighborhood versus pushing the line for your friends.
Speaker 7: Do you ever get too old to stand up for
Speaker 7: your friends?
Speaker 5: No, I knew you asked, was gonna have some kind
Speaker 5: of like kind of logic to the stuff You and
Speaker 5: eight both ate pretty much said the same thing you did.
Speaker 5: By the way, No, you don't never get too old
Speaker 5: to take care of your friends, take care of your homeboys. No,
Speaker 5: so a lot of gang banging. It's kind of frowned
Speaker 5: and made to think like it got something to do
Speaker 5: with the name of the street or the sign at
Speaker 5: the park. I don't really have nothing to do with
Speaker 5: what this thing is about. This is about your lifelong
Speaker 5: friends most of the time, if you like, really from
Speaker 5: where you're from, these are your life long friends. So
Speaker 5: right now, if Russ living around the corner for me
Speaker 5: right now, Russ said, he not even like he did
Speaker 5: some time. He don't even feel like he wanted to
Speaker 5: be the part. But if he called me and needed
Speaker 5: me at you know, at forty five of them, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna going around there and take this pistol around there,
Speaker 5: just in case I got to get active to save
Speaker 5: his life and stand up for here. Fuck yeah, hell
Speaker 5: n I ain't got too old for that. See, that's
Speaker 5: the thing you talking about. Looking out for a homeboy
Speaker 5: right now, but holding somebody down right there, there's nothing
Speaker 5: wrong with that.
Speaker 3: That's to be suspected, because you.
Speaker 5: Know, any one of y'all called me and need my assistance,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be there right I'm talking about the thing, dude,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm talking about. The dude that's still
Speaker 5: got the rag on his head. He still got the
Speaker 5: rag on his head. He's out there he's still got
Speaker 5: to he's still got a pistol in his waist, he's
Speaker 5: still doing his thing. Is that dude too old to
Speaker 5: be game?
Speaker 3: Bang? I still?
Speaker 7: I know it sounds like I'm being disingenuous or misleading.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you the truth.
Speaker 7: I don't see it the same way you said it, Like, well,
Speaker 7: you can ask the question, so.
Speaker 5: You can't tell me you ain't seen the dude in
Speaker 5: his fifties early sixties with a rag on his head
Speaker 5: and he's still out there pushing the line.
Speaker 7: I mean pushing the line like what like he is
Speaker 7: a proud representative.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but a proud representative of what that means. He's
Speaker 5: still a hardcore gang banger. What do you think that means?
Speaker 3: Still?
Speaker 5: I think that means he's a man that's still stuck
Speaker 5: in his childhood, that's trying to relive his childhood and
Speaker 5: has been stuck in his childhood. I think a lot
Speaker 5: of them dudess is. I think it goes further than
Speaker 5: a dude is representing his neighborhood. I think these are
Speaker 5: men who still are are still tied up and being
Speaker 5: a juvenile, and they've missed it.
Speaker 3: They missed the.
Speaker 6: Childhood huh you feel that worry about Fambi.
Speaker 5: Now, Fobbi is not a dude to walk around with
Speaker 5: blue rags on his head or dude this do that.
Speaker 3: Farmby is to own a business. He owns a business.
Speaker 6: He owns a proud nigga from insane crip right now.
Speaker 5: He gee, you know what I'm talking about, Man, don't
Speaker 5: do that. Ibby not walking around Finbly not walking around
Speaker 5: with a Raiders jersey on and a and.
Speaker 3: A and a Black Raider rag and right now today.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure he do. That's just one
Speaker 5: of his favorite teams. I'm pretty sure Finbi do that
Speaker 5: right now. But the thing is, Gee, he's not out
Speaker 5: there with a rag on his head, just out there
Speaker 5: just calls and just in the middle of the hood,
Speaker 5: just calls the.
Speaker 6: Stir A Raider's jersey is a rag for somebody from
Speaker 6: his saying, yeah.
Speaker 5: Gee, you know what I'm saying. He don't do that
Speaker 5: all the time. Most of the time. I see, fine,
Speaker 5: he got a polo or something.
Speaker 4: Though.
Speaker 3: What about Trading Trady too old to be man? Tray D.
Speaker 5: Trade D is a man of intellect. Tray D, He's
Speaker 5: a man of intellect. He don't wear the whole bunch
Speaker 5: of Actually, I've never seen him outside of him when
Speaker 5: he do his performances, I ain't seen him wear a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of Raiders stuff. And he don't be dressed
Speaker 5: like a gang banger. He kind of be dressed, clean cut,
Speaker 5: got a little face.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: From your mind? Game baggers dress a certain way.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about dudes that's just active. See, I ain't
Speaker 5: all my friends a game.
Speaker 7: And all this time Trady, when he was in a
Speaker 7: Raider jersey, he wasn't active. Huh are you saying whenever
Speaker 7: Trady is not wearing a Raiders jersey, he's not active.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
Speaker 5: See, I didn't say that because the Raiders could just
Speaker 5: be his favorite team too, or it could be the
Speaker 5: fact that this is that it could be and it
Speaker 5: could be that too. But I ain't talking about the
Speaker 5: dude that's just over the top.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: It's just like I'm naming dudes over the top. You
Speaker 7: think you think Trady over the top.
Speaker 6: Trad is a fucking insiane crypt to the day he
Speaker 6: dies sign for FONDI.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they don't walk around with with no blue reds,
Speaker 5: with no rags on their head, raiders jersey with a
Speaker 5: blower and a blow your head off. If you play
Speaker 5: with them or their friends right now, trad ain't gonna
Speaker 5: be like, oh, I'm a grand father right now, you
Speaker 5: could play with me. They ain't gonna let you play
Speaker 5: with him. Being a game being a game member still
Speaker 5: is all saying, will you take the law on your hand,
Speaker 5: say advance whatever? Will you take the when you when
Speaker 5: you go beyond the laws rules too? Would you go
Speaker 5: beyond the lost rules to advance your cause?
Speaker 3: I don't think you ever get away.
Speaker 7: From that if you like grew up how we grew up.
Speaker 7: I don't think Tracy, I don't think Farmby. I don't
Speaker 7: think Dan Tanner, I don't think none of them people.
Speaker 7: You could play with them. They're not gonna wake up
Speaker 7: and be like, I'm my grandfather.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 6: You could just pump me.
Speaker 3: That ain't happening.
Speaker 7: And if you play with them, they may not called
Speaker 7: the proper authority still to get with you.
Speaker 6: They might give you the justice you asking for. Right now, Justine,
Speaker 6: let me ask.
Speaker 5: You this right here, right, you brought up fineby right.
Speaker 5: Fombi is more focused on increasing his revenue than he
Speaker 5: is on anything here lated every time I'm talking to him.
Speaker 5: You know he got that car shut up business he
Speaker 5: got going on. He do security for trading. He traded security.
Speaker 5: Fanmbi always handling some business.
Speaker 7: What made you think that's what we wasn't doing as
Speaker 7: game members when we was game banking every day. Believe
Speaker 7: you found what Fanmbi was doing when you first met him.
Speaker 7: He was advancing his finances.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we was kids, though we were doing in a
Speaker 5: legal manner, in a legal fashion. Now he's doing illegally
Speaker 5: because he doesn't want to go back to jail again.
Speaker 7: It ain't worth going to jail for that. Now, there
Speaker 7: are certain things to Fanbi. I'm sure if you asked Fombi,
Speaker 7: if you asked O G Fhombi, is there things worth
Speaker 7: going to jail, he going to give.
Speaker 6: You a list of things that he would go to
Speaker 6: prison over.
Speaker 5: She it's everybody with everybody has a point that they
Speaker 5: will risk it all right. I got a point to
Speaker 5: where our risk at all. I go to prison to
Speaker 5: protect my family and mine because you knew you wouldn't
Speaker 5: go to prison for that. I wouldn't go to prison
Speaker 5: for what? For protecting my family? I go to prison
Speaker 5: for self defense like a motherfucker.
Speaker 6: Hell, it's called that's why you reference it that self defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I wouldn't have to go to thing. The thing is,
Speaker 5: I would do everything I can to protect my family
Speaker 5: and my loved ones within the laws. No, it sometimes,
Speaker 5: man sometimes if the laws ain't man like. The thing
Speaker 5: is this, if I got a blower right, Let's say
Speaker 5: I got a blower right, and that motherfucker might not
Speaker 5: be legal.
Speaker 3: It might not be blower.
Speaker 5: No, but let's just say the sixuaitions like that, pretend
Speaker 5: like the SIXU waisters like that where I grabbed this
Speaker 5: pistol you think I'm gonna be grabbing and the mixing
Speaker 5: of stuff happening, or I wonder if this heat is legal.
Speaker 5: This is not my rigors to guns, so I can't
Speaker 5: use it now. I'm a bus dude, down to worry
Speaker 5: about the repercussions. Later on, you're not going to get
Speaker 5: in a legal blower. Still, I might be at your
Speaker 5: house dog and somebody might have did something to you
Speaker 5: and I'm might have to grab your strap and get this.
Speaker 3: You want to come with your legal blower, then.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good to have a legal blower because I
Speaker 5: don't want that's right, because I don't want.
Speaker 6: To go to jail. So you asking me.
Speaker 7: The difference between you and let's say MC eight is
Speaker 7: MC eight is not going to worry about if this
Speaker 7: blower legal, if he needs the blower, he that's.
Speaker 3: Not the first thing on his mind.
Speaker 6: You know what, This motherfucker ain't legal.
Speaker 3: Ain't even the first thing on mine either.
Speaker 6: Still, yes, it is.
Speaker 7: That's what separates That's what separates you from being a
Speaker 7: gang member. The only I keep telling you, our lives
Speaker 7: ain't that different, right. We all grew up in street
Speaker 7: urban culture. The only difference is people like me and
Speaker 7: eight decided to thug with our friends.
Speaker 3: You thugged by yourself to some degree.
Speaker 7: But you also grew up and you're like, you know what,
Speaker 7: most of this shit ain't worth going to jail. People
Speaker 7: like me eight, trad we still think there's reasons.
Speaker 3: To go to jail. Eight don't think itself.
Speaker 7: You know I got grandkids, Now what I'm gonna let
Speaker 7: this nigga do this to me?
Speaker 3: No, bro, it.
Speaker 5: Ain't about me saying you just let the nigga just
Speaker 5: do something to you. It don't like that dog what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. If you dude, it's just out there you
Speaker 5: sixty five, damnar seventy you pressing people, you banging on people?
Speaker 3: Where you from? Food and all this and that you
Speaker 3: don't think that's too old?
Speaker 4: Dog?
Speaker 7: Still they even if press is understated, Bro, you don't
Speaker 7: press people to say where you're from.
Speaker 3: You press people if you think they're a threat to
Speaker 3: where you at. Where are you from?
Speaker 7: Is a way to identify who is this foreign person
Speaker 7: within my realm. It's not like you just trying to
Speaker 7: be me and you walk around here old.
Speaker 5: Ain't trying to say something. This thing ain't no no, yeah,
Speaker 5: we still can't hear you, bro. But anyway, man, it
Speaker 5: is fools. That's too old the game, bang you.
Speaker 7: It ain't never. It ain't never an age still to change. Look,
Speaker 7: it's up to you. The day you don't ever want
Speaker 7: to go to jail for nothing is the day you
Speaker 7: done as a game member.
Speaker 5: Well see, I'm saying this right here, right. I have
Speaker 5: legal guns, right sure, And I do that because that's
Speaker 5: the right thing to do. That's a life of thing,
Speaker 5: because I understand that we live in a time in
Speaker 5: society the way you should have weapons in your house
Speaker 5: because it's people outside that could be coming, and you
Speaker 5: don't want to be up there, right you know you
Speaker 5: don't want to be unprepared. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: No, you don't think it's right to have guns.
Speaker 7: You have to abide by the law, and that's your
Speaker 7: goal as a But that's.
Speaker 3: All right as an American citizen to have guns.
Speaker 7: I'm not looking for America to being a gang member
Speaker 7: means you're not looking for America to give you rights.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 4: You're trying to.
Speaker 3: Give me a hard time right now?
Speaker 4: Bro? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Hard time? Bro?
Speaker 5: You know I'm not You know, you too old to
Speaker 5: be out here doing the stuff they're doing. Man, what
Speaker 5: are they doing? Still assessing a threat by saying, hey,
Speaker 5: where are you from? Are you from around here?
Speaker 7: That's not too old to ever assess a threat of
Speaker 7: you around the way, if you so use.
Speaker 5: Somebody's grandfather and somebody something his little grandson bring his
Speaker 5: friend home, and that little dude got some red strings
Speaker 5: in the show. You think grandpas would ask him like, hey, man,
Speaker 5: where are you from?
Speaker 6: I mean, is he active? Is grandson's friend active?
Speaker 3: Team colors? Huh?
Speaker 5: The thing might be his arm, That might be his arm.
Speaker 5: It might be his school colors.
Speaker 7: Okay, so that once you once you assess the threat
Speaker 7: and ask this man, where are you from, then you don't.
Speaker 5: Know say something that one two Yeah you don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you won't know who was you saying? Man, we saw
Speaker 5: your mouth moving. I was saying that.
Speaker 4: I don't think that you though necessarily that you got
Speaker 4: seventy year old niggas. You dog putting Dan Dana's on
Speaker 4: their head, pulling up on niggas like yeah, blood, they
Speaker 4: cub where you're from?
Speaker 3: Homie.
Speaker 4: Uh Like, like Glass has said, that's only gonna be
Speaker 4: in the expectation of I already had an issue with
Speaker 4: this dude, or it's it's it's a situation to where
Speaker 4: I might need to have some words. But at seventy
Speaker 4: years old, I don't think no dude who was still
Speaker 4: in his neighborhood is going around actively like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: jump in the car fold deep with the homies and
Speaker 4: we gonna put Van Dana's on and you know that's
Speaker 4: TV comical shit.
Speaker 5: Still, I'm gonna tell you now, the homie Eye had tolder.
Speaker 5: Marv just got at somebody. I ain't gonna get the
Speaker 5: toll on this thing too much. But he starts to
Speaker 5: to out.
Speaker 4: He don't like I said, that's probably that's probably some
Speaker 4: other that's probably some other deep rooted issue.
Speaker 7: Marv is older than gang banging. Marv is a fool.
Speaker 7: It has nothing to do with gangs.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 7: Marv is the real deal nothing. He is serious more.
Speaker 7: Marv is older than the first cribs. The first crips
Speaker 7: was born if twenty three. I think Marv was born
Speaker 7: in forty nine. You can registure whatever mark.
Speaker 4: You ready, ready, call y'all ask you was you was
Speaker 4: best being crazy?
Speaker 3: Your listen whatever mark that way. I want to put
Speaker 3: you on you real quick.
Speaker 5: I told them, Marv, when the last time you don't
Speaker 5: suck somebody out you're trying, I'm gonna put you on
Speaker 5: the podcast right now.
Speaker 3: It is that cool.
Speaker 5: Oh it's against the crime because I'm just gonna put
Speaker 5: you on for five minutes, just real quick. I want
Speaker 5: to ask you a question. All sure, hey, y'all, we
Speaker 5: got the homeboy Marv here. Marv, just for the record,
Speaker 5: how old.
Speaker 6: Are you seventy five?
Speaker 3: Seventy five, last seventy six? When you turn.
Speaker 5: Seventy six, that's glasses alone, he said when you turn
Speaker 5: seventy six.
Speaker 1: I just turned seventy five February.
Speaker 3: Fourth, Fifteuary fourth.
Speaker 6: What Marv got going on? Marv is for real?
Speaker 7: This don't got nothing to do with game Baggan, Marv
Speaker 7: just not playing. You keep your and mar behavior up
Speaker 7: to something to do with gangs. Marv was on some
Speaker 7: ship period. If games stopped today and there was never
Speaker 7: no more games, Marv still gonna be on.
Speaker 3: The shitty own. It don't have nothing. Did you hear that,
Speaker 3: mar Did you hear with glass.
Speaker 4: And said.
Speaker 6: He said?
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, I don't know what he said about.
Speaker 3: What's the discussion about we're talking about? Is there for
Speaker 3: a time for somebody to be too old to be active?
Speaker 1: You kid, what do you need to find? An actor
Speaker 1: sitting in the park holding your nuts ain't acting.
Speaker 3: We're talking about where you're really out there pressing people?
Speaker 5: Do you think that? To see Marve? The thing is
Speaker 5: you're not out there pressing people. You actually a well
Speaker 5: spoken man. You're not out there pressing you trying to
Speaker 5: make game.
Speaker 7: Maybe like they just after a certain times, you ain't
Speaker 7: gonna press nobody know what.
Speaker 8: Forty five fifty years old, you're gonna get your ass.
Speaker 3: Y'all hear Martha, ain't these youngsters ain't playing?
Speaker 8: I mean they don't no more punching, mean, ain't the
Speaker 8: bully like life is over?
Speaker 3: You know they say, old.
Speaker 1: Man for counsel, young men for war. Ain't no more
Speaker 1: ol gs them O Jesus that you call old Jesus.
Speaker 8: Hanging in the park slapping Domino's talking about what they
Speaker 8: did in.
Speaker 1: Seventy seven eighty. Nobody care about seventy seven eighty. It's
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. What are you doing now?
Speaker 3: That's real spit man, that's real spit. Yeah. Can you
Speaker 3: hear me? Holder? Can you hear me? Mark? Yeah?
Speaker 7: This glass is big dog. I'm trying to tell Stele.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to tell Steve who you are. Don't have
Speaker 7: nothing to.
Speaker 3: Do with Elm Street. You not playing with nobody period.
Speaker 3: Oh he said he ain't from Elm Street. Ge.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Mark, who you are has nothing to do
Speaker 7: with Piru.
Speaker 1: But say you our neighborhood. I'm from m I'm my street.
Speaker 1: I was born on.
Speaker 3: On the street.
Speaker 8: Tree tops first and then they turned into cedar blocks.
Speaker 3: Fact.
Speaker 7: So when I'm telling him Mark, you was this way
Speaker 7: way before anybody told you They didn't have to organize
Speaker 7: you to be this way.
Speaker 3: Mark, you was already this way.
Speaker 7: I'm telling Steve, I don't think he heard your story
Speaker 7: that you were in the penitentiary when Gang Bang started.
Speaker 3: He was in trouble already when game Banging started.
Speaker 4: What and said?
Speaker 1: When the first crypts came to why, I was already there.
Speaker 3: He's not playing still.
Speaker 8: When Cunningham after the Blue Killing, he was the first
Speaker 8: crypt that came to San Quentin.
Speaker 6: I was there.
Speaker 3: Still. He not playing this. Don't got nothing more of
Speaker 3: not playing. I know Marvin playing. See.
Speaker 5: I think y'all confusing what I'm talking about. I'm not
Speaker 5: talking about Marv.
Speaker 3: Marv don't be walking around with.
Speaker 5: The rag on his head, slapping dudes in the back
Speaker 5: of the head, talking crazy. I've seen dudes trying to
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 6: Nobody seventy five slapping nobody in the back of the head.
Speaker 5: Still I ain't seeing the seventy five jumped U about
Speaker 5: people in their fifties, Marve, would you agree this is
Speaker 5: a lot of older men out here faking the.
Speaker 3: Phone as more a lot of.
Speaker 6: Fifty six Brother Roslatte.
Speaker 8: Here's no hanging out with twenty year olds talking about
Speaker 8: what you did back in the day.
Speaker 1: If you did what you said you did, you still
Speaker 1: be on death rope. So it's a lot of false scenarios.
Speaker 8: That's why we're in the position were in as blocks,
Speaker 8: because we got thirty years of o GEZ not being
Speaker 8: able to relate to and you got these old dudes misleading,
Speaker 8: misleading kids on what gang activity or what the creation of.
Speaker 1: I can only speak for power from Compton with Blood's
Speaker 1: doing la.
Speaker 4: It's a whole different entity.
Speaker 1: For the Compton car.
Speaker 8: We don't have enough education and us given the real
Speaker 8: of what it's supposed to be done. I ain't got
Speaker 8: no IDs on likes in prison, all my enemies with
Speaker 8: Peckerwoods in Mexicans.
Speaker 1: I ain't never done nothing to a block.
Speaker 3: Ain't had it coming.
Speaker 1: I don't just shoot it, folks. I ain't got no
Speaker 1: cryt matter at me for killing another Curt. I've all
Speaker 1: been economics for these dudes, and I feel the same way.
Speaker 8: Produced been down twenty thirty years and get out of
Speaker 8: here calling themselves, oh jeez, but you done killed or black.
Speaker 1: But you ain't killed no white or or Mexican in
Speaker 1: the penitentiary in thirty years.
Speaker 8: What kind of sense that made there.
Speaker 3: You have it. Still you have it, Marve.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you, man, and we gotta get you on
Speaker 5: mark when you gonna be back in town.
Speaker 1: See, I'll be all this well I leave on the
Speaker 1: aid going to I'll be back from the fifteenth until
Speaker 1: the thirtieth.
Speaker 3: All we we go hook up, man. I won't hook
Speaker 3: up with your big dog on for sure. This man
Speaker 3: loved you, man much love big dog. Love you too,
Speaker 3: man yesterday.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, when you when you get back, man, we're
Speaker 7: gonna make sure we politics okay for sure.
Speaker 5: For sure be saved about that big dog. That's my
Speaker 5: boy right there. See he's just living on man stuff.
Speaker 5: See that's not him gang banging on no body man stuff.
Speaker 7: You thought it was something different, And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: You persecuting something you don't realize how persecute.
Speaker 3: I just asked. I just asked, is there? Because I
Speaker 3: didn't start it.
Speaker 5: We talked about eight made a reference to Jim Jones, right.
Speaker 5: He said that Jim Jones is winning right now because
Speaker 5: people love authenticity.
Speaker 3: They see him going to these neighborhoods and they like it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I speak on the fact that anytime somebody see
Speaker 4: you know some of this gray or know that your
Speaker 4: career was you know, twenty thirty years ago. And then
Speaker 4: first of all, it's attention because niggas all go. You
Speaker 4: niggas are old, you feel me. That's the first thing
Speaker 4: with the hip hop attag is that you get a
Speaker 4: certain age, then you shouldn't be rapping anymore. And so
Speaker 4: it's kind of a a fucked up situation when a
Speaker 4: lot of your music was neighborhood music and now you're
Speaker 4: fifty years old, and so people frown upon, Oh, this
Speaker 4: nigga was hanging out with the niggas on the block
Speaker 4: last night, and this nigga was incompting with the bloods
Speaker 4: or over at Gonzales Park or this thing, and then
Speaker 4: they frown upont it. Then they go, nigga too old
Speaker 4: to be gang banger.
Speaker 3: This is how I feel.
Speaker 5: Right, I'm gonna speak to him saying about people, you know,
Speaker 5: calling people old and telling people what they're.
Speaker 3: Too old to do.
Speaker 6: First, you doing right now?
Speaker 3: No, listen, hold on, But this the whole different thing, bro.
Speaker 4: I mean, because if I turn around right now, the
Speaker 4: nigga seen me on the corner with some corteas on
Speaker 4: and some khakis and a white T shirt. First thing
Speaker 4: they gonna say is that nigga ate too old to
Speaker 4: be gang banging out here. And nig put on some
Speaker 4: cortes and some khakis today. But that fits the demographic
Speaker 4: of I used to gang back or whatever, and I
Speaker 4: used to rap or whatever, and I talk about the
Speaker 4: hood and all that shit. So with you, you you
Speaker 4: too old to be doing that ship. You should be
Speaker 4: uplifting the nigga. You should be telling niggas you know
Speaker 4: how to come up and get out out of this ship,
Speaker 4: get up out of that, and get up out of that.
Speaker 4: So they tag us to a certain extent of of
Speaker 4: of and I say, the nigga winning because it's still
Speaker 4: niggas in the hood. It's still niggas in the hood.
Speaker 4: And they don't look at it like that. They look
Speaker 4: at it like we got representation of us and we
Speaker 4: loved that type of shit. But everybody frowns on it.
Speaker 4: It says it's too old to be done.
Speaker 7: My big homie pluck sixty, that's my low right now.
Speaker 7: If I hit him up, you gonna be like, what up?
Speaker 7: Cause if I hit Ice Tea right now because was
Speaker 7: born in fifty eight You're gonna be like, what up,
Speaker 7: g Becuz I love that.
Speaker 5: See that's just them being who they are. Gee, that's
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. Bro, You just trying to
Speaker 5: just tell you.
Speaker 7: I think you have this negative perception like an outsider,
Speaker 7: even though you saw it up close and personal.
Speaker 6: So I think that's the disingenuous part.
Speaker 7: Like we were something talking about it earlier today where
Speaker 7: you was talking about how fabian that brought you in.
Speaker 7: They made sure you ate, they made sure you made
Speaker 7: some money, they looked out for you, they showed you
Speaker 7: genuine interests. I'm sure it come with some other shit,
Speaker 7: but it comes with love, right, because that's just how
Speaker 7: we live.
Speaker 5: But if you do really just genuine people, No, that's
Speaker 5: what most homies is.
Speaker 6: Most homies is like that.
Speaker 7: There are situations that break down and you get the
Speaker 7: worst of some people who've been through a lot, and
Speaker 7: that's just what comes with being from a poor community.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 7: People been traumatized, people, friends and shot people, mom died people,
Speaker 7: mama on drugs, a lot of mental things that is
Speaker 7: happening to people traumatically, and then that becomes a representation
Speaker 7: of what people think gag bagging is. But No, that
Speaker 7: person is just a fractual person. I got homies. My
Speaker 7: homies right.
Speaker 6: Now was grown and all adults.
Speaker 7: Them niggas take care of their family. They take care
Speaker 7: of their grandkids. They do all of the same thing
Speaker 7: any man do, no different than eight go to their
Speaker 7: kids football games. They do all the same shit, and
Speaker 7: if you play with them, they'll hurt you.
Speaker 6: That's still gang bagging at that age.
Speaker 7: They shouldn't represent in the community.
Speaker 3: To me, that's just being a man.
Speaker 6: That's what.
Speaker 5: I've seen some see. I think me and you you
Speaker 5: know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying right.
Speaker 5: The thing is, Gee, that's me and stuff to me.
Speaker 5: If you've met.
Speaker 7: Do something to you, Yeah, but you're gonna do it
Speaker 7: within the laws. Ramification.
Speaker 3: No, when I get on your ass, I really gonna
Speaker 3: get on your point.
Speaker 7: It is gonna matter because that's the only thing that
Speaker 7: makes you not a gang banger. That's the only thing
Speaker 7: that makes the everyday civilian not a ganger. The law
Speaker 7: becomes the ultimate standard of how they gonna live their life.
Speaker 7: People like that come from all walk of life. They're
Speaker 7: not The law is not the ultimate judge of how
Speaker 7: they gonna live.
Speaker 6: Their life. They're not just why we.
Speaker 4: Didn't think about ship. We didn't think about Nigga. I
Speaker 4: know if I get caught in Ali selling rocks that whatever, Nigga,
Speaker 4: I'm going to jail. You feel me. I know if
Speaker 4: I jump in the car and we go do this
Speaker 4: busting and nigga, I'm going to jail like there was
Speaker 4: no like, hmm, should I do this because I could
Speaker 4: get time and I could. Nigga, were going to mount up.
Speaker 4: We're going to mount up if there's no thinking and
Speaker 4: in an average citizen like you, you gonna be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna jump in the car with y'all. But then
Speaker 4: while we rolling, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be Cuba
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna be like it was too late. Let
Speaker 4: me the fuck out now, my niggas, but you know
Speaker 4: this way because you in my neighborhood and we doing that.
Speaker 4: Oh you're about to claim the hood. You're gonna be
Speaker 4: from the hood or it's gonna probably be some conflict
Speaker 4: when you say no, because now niggas, niggas is looking
Speaker 4: at you like you the home over here, you serving
Speaker 4: with us, you eating with us. Niggas come through and
Speaker 4: bus you're pulling out the deuceduce and busting back why
Speaker 4: you ain't from the hood. And then when you start
Speaker 4: going now and now I'm gonna start thinking something is
Speaker 4: the problem?
Speaker 6: You just taking advantage.
Speaker 4: Might go on a few enemies in the hood now
Speaker 4: because of that, because.
Speaker 7: Now you're just taking advantage of us.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know what, though, I'm gonna tell you don got
Speaker 5: troops and finally told you the day that Finely got
Speaker 5: locked up was the day he was playing. He told me,
Speaker 5: he said, we was gonna put you on. You was
Speaker 5: gonna be from Long Beach, insane. We was gonna beat
Speaker 5: your ass. You was gonna show up, We was gonna
Speaker 5: jump your ass. We was gonna jump your big ass. Rustan,
Speaker 5: you would have been from a hood because everybody said,
Speaker 5: this dude is always with us, how come he is
Speaker 5: from the hood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, back then, man, back then, Lord T was
Speaker 4: everything like nigga, you ain't coming over here drinking up
Speaker 4: the forties. Yeah, making a couple of dollars off the corner,
Speaker 4: and you ain't trying to be from insane.
Speaker 3: America, America America.
Speaker 7: The same way he when it comes to a drift,
Speaker 7: they like what you ain't trying to fight you.
Speaker 3: You benefit off this country exactly. Draft.
Speaker 4: Oh you feelings if you joining up right now?
Speaker 6: Oh you're going to jail?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Which one you are? Do you will go to
Speaker 4: jail or you gonna draft. You're gonna ain't up. Put
Speaker 4: that green rag in your back pocket. And this motherfucker tell.
Speaker 5: Me all the time, he said, if I wouldn't have
Speaker 5: to jailing, nigga be from me insane. I'm telling you
Speaker 5: he did serious. He said we would go weak your ass.
Speaker 6: Cuz them niggas taken care.
Speaker 7: Listen, I keep telling you being a game member is
Speaker 7: not the dumb ass thing that people think. It's really
Speaker 7: just everybody you knew growing up. For the most part,
Speaker 7: these all the same people. Y'all committing crimes together. Don't
Speaker 7: always be about crimes. Most of the days in the hood,
Speaker 7: it's like Friday, You just chilling and you're joking with niggas.
Speaker 7: You try to make some money, somebody lying about something,
Speaker 7: you calling a nigga out online. You may fight, you
Speaker 7: know what I mean. It ain't the way everybody think.
Speaker 7: It's really a camaraderie. I'm not trying to sell it
Speaker 7: to people that because if you ain't grow up where
Speaker 7: we're from.
Speaker 6: I really think you shouldn't be able to be from
Speaker 6: the hood.
Speaker 5: Man, I almost lost my football stuff. She behind that, Man.
Speaker 5: I started hanging out with them, dude so much, man,
Speaker 5: doing what I was doing?
Speaker 3: Did I stopped going to class.
Speaker 5: I would go to practice, but I'm like staying out
Speaker 5: there all day and catch the bus to practice and
Speaker 5: ride back one of the homies and go back because
Speaker 5: it was fun. Dog, we did stuff. I made money, Man,
Speaker 5: I had some influence I had. It was good, dog,
Speaker 5: it was fun. I could see how young dude is
Speaker 5: attracted to.
Speaker 6: That, but you're not really supposed to It's not really like.
Speaker 7: I don't know how somebody gets put on a game
Speaker 7: that didn't grow up with the people, Like, how do
Speaker 7: you even motivate yourself to go shoot for a bunch
Speaker 7: of strangers. You might as well join the army or
Speaker 7: the Marines at that point. At least they gonna pay you.
Speaker 3: Like my homies.
Speaker 7: My homies is different, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 7: knew on my whole life, the young ones I raised them.
Speaker 7: The older homies raised me even before I wasn't doing nothing.
Speaker 7: When I was going to school, I would see them
Speaker 7: every day mean the people in my age, we would
Speaker 7: play as kids. So that is the motivation when something
Speaker 7: go wrong, to go stand up for them. It ain't
Speaker 7: got nothing to do with that sign at the corner.
Speaker 7: That's just what we call it. That sign don't mean nothing.
Speaker 7: The blood running through my own boy body means something.
Speaker 7: The sign don't mean nothing. The sign means us. That's
Speaker 7: all it means. And we gonna be that way even
Speaker 7: when we somewhere else. They don't have nothing to do
Speaker 7: with that. So I think a lot of the perception
Speaker 7: of gang banging is rut and in ignorance. People don't know,
Speaker 7: so they think it's something more than just really some
Speaker 7: people from this area coming up together, trying to make
Speaker 7: something of themself. So when you're saying to me, somebody
Speaker 7: at sixty five gang banging, I'm looking like, what do
Speaker 7: you mean? What are they doing? Are they out there
Speaker 7: selling dope? Do you think I see something wrong with
Speaker 7: somebody sixty five selling dope? How else they gonna make
Speaker 7: their money? What are they doing? What else could they
Speaker 7: be doing? Are they out there? Did somebody do something
Speaker 7: today today, little homie, and they busting.
Speaker 3: At sixty five? You a cold nigga.
Speaker 7: If you sixty five hopping in the car to go
Speaker 7: get somebody, I'm.
Speaker 3: Not playing with him. That nigga serious.
Speaker 7: And this for sure got to be his thirtieth time
Speaker 7: doing this because you don't just pick up the heart
Speaker 7: at sixty five to do this. That means you didn't
Speaker 7: get away with this a lot of times or you
Speaker 7: just got out of jail for doing this. Either way,
Speaker 7: I'm not playing with that man in sixty five. That's
Speaker 7: gonna hop in the course. Still, So when you ask,
Speaker 7: you know what I thought about old to push a right?
Speaker 3: You know what I just thought about? Right? Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: tell your mafia right.
Speaker 5: Them dudes don't usually get made until they in they
Speaker 5: either their thirties or they older, right, and they move
Speaker 5: on up. Most of the bosses of mafia is who
Speaker 5: older people? Right?
Speaker 3: Do you think it's a devil standing when it come
Speaker 3: to that, y'all think you be? I think yes you are.
Speaker 7: I think yes, y'all are racist and prejudice when it
Speaker 7: comes to black people and how we grew up together
Speaker 7: as poor people. But y'all watch the movies with them
Speaker 7: old white men, and y'all look up to that. Y'all
Speaker 7: they cool because they wearing suits. Man, fuck them suits.
Speaker 7: The motherfuckers murder. The motherfuckers murder everybody. The motherfuckers.
Speaker 6: Man, game Backer can't couse people with no mafia.
Speaker 7: The mafia people will put a hit over your ass
Speaker 7: on everything.
Speaker 3: They will and they not. They not like you guys.
Speaker 4: Being a hundred motherfuckers eating green in the restaurant, don't
Speaker 4: tell soul. Like the nigga just laying there dead at
Speaker 4: the table, just got smoked.
Speaker 6: They baried you somewhere.
Speaker 4: For me and niggas is don't say nothing. So all
Speaker 4: our reputation of gang banging has always frowned upon. I
Speaker 4: think just because it's a black thing. I don't know
Speaker 4: you know any white people. We do is the people
Speaker 4: is frowned upon game. Niggas playing sports and they get
Speaker 4: the dancing in the end zone has frowned upon. And man,
Speaker 4: why they do it? They are why you can't They
Speaker 4: just frowned upon Kendrick at the at the super Bowl
Speaker 4: before you get me. But you know, fuck it, we
Speaker 4: take it on and keep it pushing because we know
Speaker 4: who we are, the people.
Speaker 3: That's all. What was you gonna say about Sammy?
Speaker 7: You Sammy, that murdered over twenty some people. Peop be
Speaker 7: doing people podcast right now. He then told on people
Speaker 7: murdered on in people and he be on podcasts and
Speaker 7: everybody looking up to him. But you see a crip.
Speaker 7: He didn't probably shot two three niggas. You're like, oh,
Speaker 7: this nigga a scumm of the earth.
Speaker 4: Or or or he the snitch. It's the biggest snitch
Speaker 4: or rat or whatever they wanted to go to. He
Speaker 4: lived comfortably every day, don't it an't worried about a motherfucker.
Speaker 7: Look on his YouTube information it's a sabatear Sammy de
Speaker 7: Boy Gravano. He got six hundred and twenty five thousand hours,
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty seven million views. He done killed
Speaker 7: all these people for no reason. So many people that
Speaker 7: died for just because some simple shit. They didn't want
Speaker 7: to turn over money for their business and he knocked
Speaker 7: their motherfucker head off and they didn't bury their body.
Speaker 6: They family still ain't found them.
Speaker 7: He on motherfucking YouTube with a million subscribers, and you
Speaker 7: niggas want to talk to me about old game Baker.
Speaker 7: He on their that man every bit of seventy nine
Speaker 7: on there talking about who he murdered back the mother
Speaker 7: fuck in nineteen sixty seven, And you want to talk
Speaker 7: to me about gaming, talk about that. I wish the
Speaker 7: old game banker would, I imagine took you at channel.
Speaker 7: He wouldn't have a million followers. You nigga be game member.
Speaker 7: You see what they did the tiki they killed, TOOKI
Speaker 7: over allegedly robbing a man at seven eleven and robbing
Speaker 7: somebody and shooting him at a hotel allegedly. This motherfuck
Speaker 7: that's two people. He got the death penalty. They put
Speaker 7: that motherfucker underneath it. He changed his life, wrote books,
Speaker 7: all kind of shit. They killed that motherfucker. Still, Sammy
Speaker 7: the bull set up. They figured out he set up
Speaker 7: twenty murders. So you know it's way more than that,
Speaker 7: because they didn't figure them all out. This motherfucker and
Speaker 7: went got out of jail after murdering all in people,
Speaker 7: right after murdering all in people, got out of jail,
Speaker 7: starts selling dope in Arizona, went back to jail, got.
Speaker 3: Out and started a fucking YouTube channel. And you interviewed him.
Speaker 6: But you want to sit here ridicue me about is
Speaker 6: it too? Is a gang bang?
Speaker 7: This mother told on everybody. He talked to a million
Speaker 7: subscribers about what he did in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 6: All niggas is hypocrites.
Speaker 4: But we frown upon our own type. You get me.
Speaker 4: That's that's it's always that. You know, you'll see people like, oh,
Speaker 4: why this nigga's still doing all? You too old and
Speaker 4: you did this bigga still representing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Man, first of all, the whole getting old thing. Man,
Speaker 5: When somebody told me the other day, man, you get old.
Speaker 5: I said, Man, this ain't like you. You say that,
Speaker 5: like you hurt my feelings or something. This is my strength.
Speaker 5: This is my bags of honor. You know how much
Speaker 5: stuff I don't been through? You know much stuff? You
Speaker 5: don't been through. You have much stuff eight donet been through.
Speaker 5: It's like we don't been through some stuff. Man, we
Speaker 5: don't have been through some some circumstances to get these
Speaker 5: grades in our bigs. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm proud of it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody ever tell me it's nothing about being old.
Speaker 3: It's my strength.
Speaker 7: That's why I won't let you convict me on this crippon.
Speaker 6: Like I'm out here being a great representation.
Speaker 7: I look at people like dogging them them people being
Speaker 7: great representation what we could become and still be proud
Speaker 7: of everything we've been through. I look at eight, all
Speaker 7: the older armies and people that walk the path that
Speaker 7: I walk and then made it in the music industry
Speaker 7: and changed their life, and shit, hell no, I don't
Speaker 7: think they too old to be where they're from. I'm
Speaker 7: proud that MC eight is still m C eight. That
Speaker 7: mean the world to me that he ain't woke up
Speaker 7: one day he was like, you know what, I'm too old.
Speaker 7: I'm just aaron. No that nigga ate right now, that
Speaker 7: nigga message his phone say big o cho when you
Speaker 7: see that, that's Big eight. I love when I look
Speaker 7: at someone I see Snoop Dogg of Ice Tea. Why
Speaker 7: should we be ashamed of R Street cultural experiences, feemy?
Speaker 7: If you're a righteous man, n' the fuck I you
Speaker 7: the law ain't the ultimate judge in his life.
Speaker 3: Sign me.
Speaker 7: The bull got a million subscribers down there on fucking
Speaker 7: YouTube from talking about telling on these people and killing
Speaker 7: all these people. And you want me to look at
Speaker 7: some older black man that's, you know, surviving the best
Speaker 7: way he can and be looking at him like, man,
Speaker 7: you too old?
Speaker 6: To be doing that.
Speaker 3: Fuck all that them all white me. How old was
Speaker 3: Paulie when they killed Paulie Pauli on a on a
Speaker 3: good feelers, No Big Paulie. Oh you talking about sopranos.
Speaker 7: No, no Big Paulie, the real big party that got
Speaker 7: killed that when power mc john got he took power
Speaker 7: hold on Big Paulie. College Uh Constellano, Big paul died.
Speaker 7: That man was seventy, the one that got killed out
Speaker 7: in front of the Sparks Steakhouse in the Lincoln back
Speaker 7: in the seventy How old was the people that probably
Speaker 7: some mother old man knocked him down? Maybe ship let
Speaker 7: them tell it. They say, God, he set it up
Speaker 7: based off the movies. But they didn't he gonna move
Speaker 7: out the way. They knew that man wasn't playing with them.
Speaker 7: They knew if they didn't take that man head off
Speaker 7: and try to take his job, that man would have
Speaker 7: had all them people killing their family killed.
Speaker 3: Yeah for real, for real. So when y'a asking me,
Speaker 3: when y'all asking me, is there two age?
Speaker 7: First off, if you sixty you hit somebody twenty five
Speaker 7: upside their head, they probably gonna whoop your fucking ass.
Speaker 7: So you ain't finna be out there slapping nobody upside
Speaker 7: their head.
Speaker 3: Part two.
Speaker 6: If you sixty five and you walk around as motherfucking
Speaker 6: the rag, you ain't finna get away from nobody shooting
Speaker 6: at you.
Speaker 7: So you want to die anyway, your bague of food.
Speaker 7: Either way, Lord knows. If you Sissy six and you
Speaker 7: hopping the car to go put in work, I don't
Speaker 7: want to say nothing bad about you, period, because obviously
Speaker 7: you are a professional. If you Sissy six jumping in
Speaker 7: the card goo, shoot, that's some nigga. Still you gotta
Speaker 7: be the real deal, Yeah, man, shout out to a rodeo.
Speaker 5: Shut out to all the O G riders. Shout out
Speaker 5: to all the O G riders and them eight do
Speaker 5: I recommend it?
Speaker 7: Nigga, I'm not finna say nothing to that old nigga,
Speaker 7: that nigga still killing niggas that at sixty six, Man,
Speaker 7: I'll be the last nigga to talk about him.
Speaker 5: Here, Marv is seventy something. He ain't nothing to play with.
Speaker 5: I would tell people, do not play with that man.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 7: That man is before old Pop Ruin Bro, when gang
Speaker 7: bang has started, he was already in prison. You not
Speaker 7: listening to what I'm saying, that means what he is
Speaker 7: don't got nothing to do with Popu. He was that
Speaker 7: way and this just fit his way of life. He
Speaker 7: was already who he was, That's who. That's how all
Speaker 7: of this stuff work. This stuff really just make you
Speaker 7: more of a man. It don't mean the law supreme,
Speaker 7: So you go. If you're a raggedy man coming into it,
Speaker 7: you're gonna be even more raggedy. If you're a righteous nigga,
Speaker 7: you're gonna have power to enforce righteousness. But the law
Speaker 7: is just not the ultimate morality.
Speaker 3: That's it. The law don't matter.
Speaker 6: The law is not the judge.
Speaker 7: So you start to take away like like somebody like
Speaker 7: O g FINDI feel me like he not finna go
Speaker 7: to jail for selling no dope, no more now shit.
Speaker 7: I don't know now if quarter Pieces, if Rocks was
Speaker 7: back install and everybody starts.
Speaker 3: Smoking crack shit, he might open up a spot because
Speaker 3: he gonna eat. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: But what I'm saying to you is he gonna do
Speaker 7: what it take to survive, because that's what this thing
Speaker 7: is all about out and he ain't finna let nobody
Speaker 7: play with his name right now at his age. Shame
Speaker 7: with Tracy Davis. Tracy ain't finna let nobody play with
Speaker 7: his fucking name. You ain't gonna be playing nigga. He
Speaker 7: ain't for he min ain't gonna come look for you
Speaker 7: like he used to. But when he see you, bro,
Speaker 7: you got a problem. That's the type of line.
Speaker 3: Cracking.
Speaker 7: Molder, Homie, Moon, molder, homie, shady, molder homie, pluck all
Speaker 7: my older homies. I send the six them niggas ain't
Speaker 7: playing niggas an blow your head off.
Speaker 3: You playing with them, man, don't play with them people.
Speaker 6: And I believe in that.
Speaker 3: That's real.
Speaker 5: Well, man, ain't having technical difficulties. Man, were about to
Speaker 5: check out of here glasses. I thank you man for
Speaker 5: coming and kicking it with your people, man and always
Speaker 5: taking up for your cripping man and your gen here
Speaker 5: you that's it man. On that note, man, we out here,
Speaker 5: shot all the crips out there, shout all the bloods,
Speaker 5: all the PI rules, everybody, bang bang, all right, we
Speaker 5: gonna all all the people, all the human beings out there,
Speaker 5: and we out well. That concludes another episode of Against
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