1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental Wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier. 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazier. 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 3: I'm Jay Glazer and look. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: I've kind of spanned the globe before guests star, whether 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: it's football players or fighters or combat vets or actors, 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: chefs like got Fieri. I've never had on a gangster 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 2: from racing world. So it's my honor to welcome in 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: a guy who is a Hall of Famer racer. 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: He's a champion. I wanted only Tony Stewart, Hollry Budy. 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: I'm good Man. Thanks for having. 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: Us, absolutely man, thanks for coming on board. 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: It's pretty cool for me because I like to learn 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: from everybody, the best of the best, and just let 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: you know. This is called a mental wealth podcast. It 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: was a mental health podcast because you know, I'm probably 17 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: one of the first guys to start talking mental health 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: for duce to trying different words, and then I realized 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 2: people were They thought mental health is just depression anxiety, 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: and it's not. It's also what's between our ears, to 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: get us to be different, to raise us and elevate 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: us up to get to be different. So with that question, 23 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: I guess when did you realize you were different? At 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: what point in your life. 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 4: I grew up as a kid and I raced go 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: carts when I was eight, and you know I was 27 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 4: I had a father that was pretty hard on me. 28 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 4: I mean, I mowed yards, I had a newspaper route, 29 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 4: I babysat, I did everything I could do to help 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 4: my family with the raise the funding that we needed 31 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: just to race go karts. We're not talking racing a 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: NASCAR or any car. This is just to race go 33 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 4: karts on Saturday night at a local fairgrounds. So you know, 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: I learned the value a dollar early, and you know, 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: as I moved up through the ranks, I think kind 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: of that moment came around I'm going to stay ninety five. 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 4: At the end of the season in ninety five, we 38 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 4: won what do you know, State's Auto Club calls the 39 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 4: triple Crown. So I ran three national divisions all in 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: the same season and won all three point championships. So 41 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: we were the first driver in the history to win 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 4: all three championships in the same season. We were only 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: the second driver in history to win all three of them. Period, 44 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 4: Pancho Carter had won him, but won him in a 45 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: five year span, so literally won a championship, didn't win 46 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 4: one the next year, won a different championship, didn't win 47 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 4: one the next year, and won the third championship in 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 4: five years. So it was really cool, And I think 49 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 4: that's the moment where I realized we had done something 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: that a had never been done before, but at the 51 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 4: same time realized that we didn't get there by accident. 52 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 4: We didn't fall into it. We worked our way to it. 53 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: You know, I've always been a firm believer and surround 54 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: yourself with good people, and we did that as well. 55 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 4: But these guys had to take a chance on a 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: young guy that hadn't really proven himself yet. So ninety 57 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 4: five was that moment where I realized that I wasn't 58 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: just the same as everybody else that I was racing against. 59 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: Prettymn cool. Nobody could take from you. 60 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, car what happens moving forward? You got 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: that nobody could ever take that from you. It's pretty 62 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: damn cool when you are and let's say that zone. 63 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: You know in baseball players they say, man, it just 64 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: slows down the ball. It's like a grapefruit. You know 65 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: you're going on that right a fighter, everything just calms 66 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: and slows down like you're going slow. Most so when 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: you're in this kind of this winning mode, what's. 68 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 3: That feel like? 69 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 4: It's exactly the same for us in motorsports. I mean 70 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: we you know, this year, I'm driving a top fuel 71 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 4: dragster in the NHRA. I got put into a car 72 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 4: that I'd never been into before. I raced the top 73 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: alcohol dragster with NHRA last year, and those cars run 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 4: the full quarter mile a quarter miles thirteen hundred and 75 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 4: twenty feet, and we were running I think the fastest 76 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: speed I ran in that car was two hundred and 77 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: eighty one miles an hour. So now I'm driving my 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: wife's car and it only runs one thousand feet, doesn't 79 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: run the thirteen twenty runs literally to one thousand feet. 80 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: And I've been three hundred and thirty four miles an 81 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: hour in the top field car this year. So when 82 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: you talk about things slowing down, it's in that way. 83 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: In my entire career in motorsports, every time you start 84 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: to really get dialed in and really get comfortable, everything 85 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: does slow down. And I told somebody I've heard other 86 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: drivers talk about this. When before I had the chance 87 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: to compete at the ND five hundred, I heard a 88 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 4: lot of drivers say you could put a penny down 89 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 4: on the racetrack in the groove and they could see 90 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: it at over two hundred miles an hour, and that 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 4: is a fact. 92 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 2: Wow. 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 4: We literally look for cracks in the asphalt. It were 94 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 4: a blemish and it's something that's different. That's what you 95 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 4: use for a reference point on the racetracks on where 96 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: you're turning in or where you're lifting out on the throttle. 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 4: But if it's where you're running, you could see something 98 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: as small as a dime or a penny on the racetrack. 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: So it made me smile when you said everything slows down, 100 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 4: because that is what I've had to deal with this 101 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 4: year as a driver and a new driver, is going 102 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: into an uncomfortable situation, something that I wasn't used to 103 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 4: and driving a car that literally goes from zero to 104 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: three hundred and thirty four mile an hour in one 105 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 4: thousand feet. The hard part is your brain has to 106 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 4: win to process that information faster. So everything I'd ever 107 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 4: driven before before drag racing, the cars were always rolling 108 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: at the start. Your eyes were always looking straight ahead 109 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 4: at where you're going, and the acceleration wasn't near what 110 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 4: it is with a top fuel car. This top fuel 111 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 4: car in the first sixty feet is already running in 112 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 4: sixty feet, is running eighty miles an hour in sixty feet. 113 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 4: At the halfway point, which is six hundred and sixty 114 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 4: feet of a quarter mile, the cars almost at three 115 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 4: hundred miles an hour already. So the acceleration is something 116 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 4: that your brain seeing this information coming into your eyes 117 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: now your brain has to learn how to process it 118 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: as fast as it's happening. And my brain wasn't used 119 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 4: to that, which I think there's a lot of holes 120 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 4: in my brain anyway, if you look through one ear, 121 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 4: you can see out the other. 122 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: You're with you. 123 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: But but that was one of the things that truly 124 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: was the hardest thing, and I literally that's why I smiled. 125 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 4: I told the crew chief two races ago, I said, 126 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: things are finally starting to slow down. Is what are 127 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 4: you talking about? And he doesn't know what we're talking about. 128 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: I said, when you really get locked in and you 129 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 4: get comfortable your brain, it's like your focal point of 130 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: your brain starts to widen and open up and you're 131 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: able to process more information and more data, and then 132 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: that's more information I can give the crew chief of 133 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 4: what the car is doing, what it feels like, where 134 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 4: it's happening on the racetrack. And when you get in 135 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 4: that zone like that and you get in that field, 136 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 4: that's when you know you're locked in and you got 137 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 4: it going on, because now you have the best opportunity 138 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: to relay that information that you're learning to your crew chief. 139 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: But still you're pulling in more information for yourself as 140 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 4: a driver. And I can manipulate not the drag cars, 141 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: the oval cars that I drove. I could manipulate the 142 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 4: cars with how I turned my hands on the entry 143 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 4: to the corner and how I move my feet on 144 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 4: the pedals. I could manipulate it if it wasn't one 145 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 4: hundred percent right. But you can't do that till you 146 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: get really comfortable and understand what the car is telling you. 147 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: Look, I'm trying a million football players and fighters and 148 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,799 Speaker 2: mixed martial arts, and I always talking about calm under cass. 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, better we can get our common cast us, the 150 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 3: better we're going to be. You don't have to be 151 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: frantic and oh my God, and I thought it was wild. 152 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: You said to me a couple of seconds ago that 153 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 2: you guys are going three to a mile crow and 154 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 2: you could see a crack. 155 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: That's wild. 156 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: That's different level it is, but it's it's the same focus. 157 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: You know, you talk talk to fighters and you watch 158 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: what they're looking at and what they're seeing in their 159 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: opponent's eyes, and the same thing with football players. I 160 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: mean to sit there and for the defense to be 161 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: able to watch the quarterback's eyes, and the quarterback to 162 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 4: be savvy enough to be looking somewhere that he doesn't 163 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: intend to go with the footballer. True, but we all 164 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 4: have that skill set and that ability to read things 165 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 4: that nobody else is used to doing. We have that 166 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 4: ability for everything to slow down enough that we can 167 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: recognize those deals. And it's that way in all sports. 168 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 4: I think it's that way. I think it's that way 169 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: in the music industry. You look at guitar players and 170 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: drummers and how fast they can do things in their mind. 171 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 4: It's the same thing. You get locked in your brain 172 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 4: starts slowing everything down and processing your information, and you 173 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 4: just do better because if you're able to make better 174 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 4: decisions were clear decisive decisions. 175 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: I also love You're like, yeah, so I took my 176 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: wife's car. 177 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 2: He was going three hundred normally. That comment and be like, 178 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: I took my wife's prius. It's a little bit different 179 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: for your world. 180 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we said. 181 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: We just had a race in Las Vegas a week ago, 182 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 4: and we were driving there because we live in Lake 183 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 4: Havasu City, Arizona, and I was not running the speed limit, 184 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: and we had the lady that's going to be helping 185 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: us with our child for the first four months make 186 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: sure we don't make any mistakes. And I checked on 187 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 4: her to ask her if she was all right in 188 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 4: the back seat because we weren't running the speed limit, 189 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: and she goes, yeah, I'm fine. And I looked at 190 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 4: her and I said, I promise when this little boy 191 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: gets here, that I will not drive like this. And 192 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 4: she goes. My wife was literally sitting in the front 193 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: seat right in front of her, and she goes, he 194 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 4: is right there right now. I'm like, that's a good 195 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 4: valid point. So the only thing I could do to 196 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: defend myself on that was well, he's in there. So 197 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: it's like being bubble wrapped. Good. So it makes you 198 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 4: think about things and you know how we can process 199 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: information so well, but at the same time make a 200 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: decision like that and you're like, really, wasn't thinking in 201 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 4: that scenario. 202 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: When do you start, like really visualizing a race? 203 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 4: You know, I'm really weird. This is part of the 204 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 4: journey that's been fun with my wife because my wife's 205 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 4: approach to what she does on the race weekend and 206 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 4: mine are drastically different. I've been racing since I was eight. 207 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 4: I'm forty or I'm fifty three years old now, so 208 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 4: I've been racing forty five years. I don't I don't 209 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 4: have to do it. I literally when I'm starting to 210 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 4: get suited up, then that's when you can see the 211 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 4: flip switch. And then I started getting focused. But I've 212 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: always been one of those drivers that if I spent 213 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 4: too much time focusing on it before it was time, 214 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 4: my anxiety level kept climbing. So literally, we would go 215 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 4: to the driver's meetings at a NASCAR race and we 216 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 4: had an hour and a half before driver introductions. I 217 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 4: would literally go back to the motor home, start a 218 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 4: movie that I knew I wasn't going to be able 219 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 4: to finish, eat my lunch, and would not watch any 220 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 4: of the pre race shows. Wouldn't watch anything that had 221 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 4: anything to do with racing, just to keep my heart 222 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 4: rate down, keep my mind calm and clear. And then 223 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 4: when it was time to put that uniform on and 224 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 4: walk over for intros, that's when that would start. That's 225 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 4: when I would start locking into what we were doing. 226 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 4: But the drag racing deals drastically different from what I 227 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: did in Indy Car and NASCAR and dirt track racing. 228 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 4: I tried to keep myself calm because a NASCAR race, 229 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 4: a five hundred mile race typically lasts about three and 230 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: a half hours, where now I'm driving a car that 231 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: I'm only literally driving that thousand feet in three and 232 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: a half seconds, So where I worked so hard to 233 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: stay calm in the car. And that's why I say 234 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: my wife and are drastically different. I would bride in 235 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: the toe vehicle because they have to tow the vehicle 236 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,439 Speaker 4: to the staging lanes before they fire up, and before 237 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 4: she gets in the car, and she is listening to 238 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: wrap and hip hop and it's loud in the toe 239 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: vehicle and she's trying to get her heart rate up, 240 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: and I'm like, it created anxiety for me, and I 241 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: wasn't even getting ready to drive the car. But the 242 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 4: difference for me is, I realize now why she did that, 243 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 4: because you get inn zone and you get comfortable. Well, 244 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 4: when you get comfortable, you're not on edge and driving 245 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 4: a drag car where reaction time is everything. And just 246 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 4: for Lyn, you know, just like linemen and anybody else 247 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 4: and fighters, they've got to be on edge because you 248 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: have to be ready right away. So where I was 249 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 4: used to settling in for a long race that was 250 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 4: three and a half hours long and just keeping my 251 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 4: heart rate down and maintaining that through the whole race, 252 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 4: now I'm driving a car where I am finding I'm 253 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: having to do the same thing. I have to get 254 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 4: amped up right before and as I'm getting in that 255 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 4: car to make sure that I cut a good reaction 256 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 4: time on the trees. 257 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: It's interesting because I, you know, I've talked a lot 258 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 2: about money pressing anxiety and for a long time like 259 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 2: trying to figure out ways away from my anxiety. But 260 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: then I kind of switched in and I weaponized my 261 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: anxiety exactly what you're saying, Like as I'm about to 262 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: do television whatever, I ramp it up. As I start 263 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: ramping it up, man. I want to be on edge. 264 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 2: I want to be there, and it becomes your superpower, 265 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: one of it. If you weaponize it becomes your superpower. 266 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 2: You're not a sham of it anymore. It's huge, right, 267 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: gives you that edge. 268 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 3: Most people are. 269 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: Not great in cash who cannot deal with conflict. So 270 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: if you could use this and cause some conflict, it 271 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: ends up helping you out. It seems like it's a 272 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 2: similar thing for you. 273 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like the hard thing is it's 274 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: hard to control the timeframe of it. I mean, like 275 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 4: I said, the NASCAR side was three and a half 276 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 4: hours long, and there were times late in the race 277 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 4: you'd get a late race caution and you knew this 278 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 4: was that last spurt to the end, and this is 279 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 4: where they're going to pay the money, give the trophy 280 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 4: out and the points and all that. That's when you 281 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 4: got to let that ramp up because you got to 282 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: be on edge. You got to be on top of it. 283 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 4: The drag racing obviously is that way every run, but 284 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: it's hard to maintain that. So for people that have 285 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 4: to do things for long durations, it's hard to get 286 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: up and stay up like that and function in that chaos. 287 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 4: The chaos is good for a short amount of time 288 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 4: if you can control it, But for long distances and 289 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 4: long time frames, I think it's hard to control that. 290 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 4: So it's knowing when to bring yourself into that mode 291 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 4: and how long are you going to sustain it? 292 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 2: You're going for three and a half hours, right, five 293 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: hundred lapse? Does your mind drift? You've constantly to stay focused. 294 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: You have to play games with yourself so your mind 295 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 2: stays focused. Because listen, I got ADHD, I got beyond 296 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: ad add, I got elemental P, I'm God. 297 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: After forty seconds, what do you do to keep your attention? 298 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: And where's your attentionion go during that? 299 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 4: I'll be honest. There were races that a track in Pennsylvania, Pocono, 300 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 4: it has three really it's triangle shape, but it has 301 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: three really long straightaways, and two of them are very 302 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 4: very long. And there were periods of the race where 303 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: there's nobody right in front of you, and there's nobody 304 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 4: right behind you, and you have a long straightaway that 305 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 4: you really don't have to do anything and don't have 306 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 4: to think about anything very much. And I would catch 307 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 4: myself late in the race going, okay, what do I 308 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 4: want for dinner tonight when I land back in Charlotte. 309 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: You know where am I going to stop and pick 310 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: up dinner on the way home? But you know, when 311 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 4: you would get to those moments, when you get to 312 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 4: the corner and you got to go do your job again, 313 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 4: you totally forget about it. But it's hard to stay 314 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 4: focused for long durations like that. And I think it's 315 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 4: all about your surroundings. I mean, when you get comfortable, 316 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 4: then you start then other things start coming into your 317 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 4: head when you have downtime in a lap. But that's 318 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 4: one thing I can promise you. I can't even tell 319 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: you when I drive the dragster now, I can't even 320 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: tell you if we breathe or blink. I don't know 321 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 4: the answer to that. I don't know if we actually 322 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: take a breath during the run. I don't know if 323 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 4: our eyes blink during the run, because it's literally three 324 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: and a half seconds long and there is so much happening. 325 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: Our motors have over eleven thousand horse power, so you're 326 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 4: you're basically sitting on a rocket ship that's got four 327 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 4: wheels on it, and you don't have time to let 328 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 4: your mind go anywhere else. Outside of what you were 329 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: actually doing at that time. 330 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: You guys have a breath work than you do while 331 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: you're either in there or in the longer races. 332 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: Now, I mean it was I think for me the 333 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: breathing part was was directly related to your heart rate 334 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 4: and what the situation was. The better the car drove, 335 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: the less your heart rate was high because you were 336 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: just comfortable and you weren't having to fight it and 337 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: work hard and try to manipulate it. The further the 338 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: car was off from being from being right. The harder 339 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: you're working, the higher your heart rate, the more you 340 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 4: feel your respiratory bad rate up, and you would get fatigued. 341 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 4: If you couldn't get it controlled and couldn't keep it 342 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: at a level that you could sustain for three and 343 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 4: a half hours, you would get fatigued at the end 344 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: of the race. 345 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: What do you guys do? 346 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 2: Is it more assume you guys do a shif ton 347 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: to strengthen your forms, But what else do you guys 348 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 2: do to just get yourself physically ready for a race 349 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: like along a race back? 350 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: When? So you got to remember I retired from NASCAR 351 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: at the end of twenty sixteen, and that they were 352 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 4: they'd probably been I would say in a six eight 353 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 4: period year span where they were the majority of the 354 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: drivers were starting to do workout programs, guys like Jimmy 355 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: Johnson and Casey Kane, some of the other drivers were 356 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 4: actually doing triathlons even But I mean they were just lean. 357 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 4: They weren't bulky, because you didn't want the weight. You 358 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 4: don't want the driver any heavier than they have to be. 359 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: So those guys are just cutting weight. They look like 360 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 4: you know, marathon runners. They're just no body fat to them. 361 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: They don't have a lot of muscle mass. But those 362 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 4: guys would even get in trouble at the end of 363 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 4: races sometimes. But I was the guy that was eating 364 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 4: drinking cokes and eating oreos in the motor home, you know, 365 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 4: while those guys were up early in the morning running. 366 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: And I do believe it's a big thing that later 367 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 4: on in my life has hurt me. I mean, these 368 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: cars that we're driving now on the NHLA side, the 369 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: top field dragstraight goes out all the way up to 370 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: six G forces on acceleration. Then when you get to 371 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 4: that finish line, you throw two parachutes out and when 372 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 4: those parachutes blossom and pull back. It's negative six and 373 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 4: a half g's. So what I'm finding now at the 374 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: age of fifty three is I wish I was in 375 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 4: better shape, and I'm going to have a program through 376 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 4: the Winner to strengthen my back, strengthen my neck, strengthen 377 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: my shoulders. That's what those seat belts are. So what 378 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 4: I'm finding is I'm having neck problems. I'm having back problems. 379 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 4: Well it's not from the acceleration, it's from the d acceleration. 380 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: So it's from your body being pinned back in the 381 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 4: back of the seat and the shoots come out and 382 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: it throws you into the shoots like that. So that's 383 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: where my mindset of this can't be that hard. You're 384 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 4: only doing it for three and a half seconds, so 385 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 4: physically it can't be that bad. But it is. But 386 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 4: it's because of the forces on the negative side more 387 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 4: than anything. 388 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: Obviously, you've had a Hall of Fame racing career. What 389 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: were you able to take from that to transition to 390 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: an owner? 391 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 3: You thought, like set you up for that. 392 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 4: So remember in my Cup Series career, I drove for 393 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: coach Joe Gibbs, so I learned a lot from him, 394 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: you know, And honestly that's the reason I left Joe 395 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: Gibbs Racing to partner up with Gene Hasson's inform, Stewart 396 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 4: Hoss Racing in two thousand and nine, and we just 397 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 4: ran our last race Sunday at Phoenix, and that was 398 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 4: my last race as a NASCAR owner. But everything that 399 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: I'm doing now is because of what I've learned from Coach. 400 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 4: I mean, how to manage people, how to put the 401 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 4: right people together. One thing I learned from Joe is 402 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 4: you could take five resumes of somebody applying for jobs, 403 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 4: and all five of them their credentials could be the same. 404 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 4: But Joe had that unique ability to put the right 405 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 4: people personality wise together too. So they had to have 406 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: the talent, obviously, but he knew which one was going 407 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 4: to fit the group the best, because I've watched take 408 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: take a race team that has ten positions on it. 409 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 4: You take the one hundred percent best person in each 410 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 4: of those categories and put them together. And I've seen 411 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 4: teams with ninety percent of that talent in each of 412 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 4: those positions, but they work together better as a unit 413 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 4: outperform the one hundred percent guys and that's what I learned 414 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 4: from Coach was it's not having the best person, it's 415 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 4: having the best people that can work together. Got to 416 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 4: be a team unit. They've got to be one unit. 417 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 4: And that's what we see with our teams now. And 418 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: it's making sure that we have the right guys that 419 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 4: gel together personality wise. They have to turn these motors around. 420 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 4: When we make a run, these cars come back to 421 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: the pits. They literally tear the motor apart and rebuild 422 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: it and do that in forty minutes. So you got 423 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 4: multiple guys working around the car, and it's important for 424 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 4: the cadence of it. So if one guy shows up 425 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 4: and he's had two extra shots of espresso and his 426 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 4: coffee in the morning and he's vibrating across the floor 427 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: when he's working, he's working faster than the rest of 428 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 4: the group, gets it all out of sync. Same thing. 429 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: If a guy doesn't sleep well and he's dragon ass 430 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 4: in the morning, shows up in a bad mood and 431 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 4: he's slow, he gets the cad and sound and whack 432 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 4: and it slows everybody down. So all of that is 433 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 4: really important about finding the right people and finding you know, 434 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 4: people that just genuinely want to work around each other 435 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 4: and they and they will ultimately lift each other up 436 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 4: if they're on the right page. 437 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: We just work for the Navy Seals this past week, 438 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: and I know our veterans they show and that, you know, 439 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: I ask them, So, what's the common denominator of the 440 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: guys who's making through buds. They're likely it's not the 441 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 2: high school football stars and the valedictorian and the prom king. 442 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: It's people who've been through adversity, been through some shit before. 443 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: But more than anything, people have been through ship before. 444 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: But man, they're going to live and doctor their teams. 445 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: That's what makes it through. They have something else to 446 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: go through within just themselves. It's the team. Team is everything. 447 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, if you could find that, uh, that's obviously 448 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: in every I think everywhere, that's your winning the winning culture. 449 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, And honestly, my firm belief is it's that way 450 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 4: in life in general. I mean, if it's successful for teams, 451 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: whether it's you know, football, basketball, baseball, motorsports, there are 452 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 4: there's a common denominator there. It's it works for a reason. 453 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 4: So implement that into your life. To surround yourself with 454 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: good people, people that have the same passion, drive, desire. 455 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 4: Not the people that are dead beats that pull you 456 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 4: back and try to pull you into their world. You 457 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 4: want people that are around you that want to motivate you, 458 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 4: to make you better, and you make them better. So 459 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: everybody raises each other up and gets the most out 460 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: of each. 461 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 3: Other, no doubt. I've got one last question here before 462 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 3: I let you go and give me. 463 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 2: I asked every one of my guests, give me your 464 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: own breakable moment, the moment that should have broken you 465 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: could have and didn't, and as a result, you came 466 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: through the other side. 467 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: That's all stronger forever, you know. 468 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 4: I I And it's a good question. It's good question, 469 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 4: it is, and it's the answer is a hard answer 470 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 4: because probably one of the worst moments in my life 471 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 4: happened in New York in a sprint car crash and 472 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 4: I just passed a kid in a corner and half 473 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 4: a lap later, the costume comes out and I roll 474 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 4: around and the kid that I just passed had crashed 475 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 4: and I didn't understand why. I didn't know why. I 476 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 4: still don't know why he crashed. But the end result 477 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 4: of that is that he got out of his car 478 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: and unfortunately I was not looking in the right spot, 479 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,719 Speaker 4: and when I saw him, I reacted very quick, but 480 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 4: not quick enough to get away from him, and it 481 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 4: struck him and killed him, a twenty year old kid, 482 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: and a kid had a promising racing career, and literally, 483 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: I mean it shut me down, I mean absolutely shut 484 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: me down. I remember flying home, I did not leave 485 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 4: my bedroom for four straight days, wouldn't come out, wouldn't 486 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 4: talk to anybody. It was literally the darkest moment in 487 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: my time. And luckily, a good friend of mine, Jimmy Johnson, 488 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 4: recommended a guy to me, and the guy flew in 489 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 4: and he was the first guy I actually spoke to, 490 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 4: and he was the beginning of my healing process. And 491 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 4: because of that, I mean, there's never a positive out 492 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 4: of that. I mean, a young man loses his life. 493 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: But it taught me a lot of lessons about how 494 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: do you deal with situations like this, And obviously our 495 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 4: life we have lots of situations that are uncomfortable and unpleasant, 496 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 4: not near to that extent, but what I learned from 497 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 4: this man helped me all with day to day situations 498 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 4: as well on how to get through those and how 499 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 4: to not let it pull me down. And pull me 500 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: back and hold me underwater. So that was the one 501 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 4: moment in my life where I'd already made it to 502 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 4: the top Echelono Motorsports to become a champion. But that 503 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,439 Speaker 4: was a reality check of doesn't matter how big you are, 504 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what you've achieved. I mean, you're a 505 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 4: human just like everybody else. Your emotions and your feelings 506 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 4: are the same as everybody else, and you have to 507 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 4: buy ale adversity like everybody else. And you know, to 508 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 4: this day, I still fight with moments like that, but 509 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: I always remember that it has made me better coming 510 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 4: out the other end of this, and I've been a 511 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 4: better person because of it. The way I deal with 512 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 4: my relationships with my family, with my wife, with my friends, 513 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: with my teammates has directly been affected because of that, 514 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 4: and it has made me a better person. So I 515 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 4: would love to trade it in and learn that lesson 516 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 4: a different way. But I'm grateful that that was one 517 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 4: thing for me that was a positive that came out 518 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 4: of a very very negative situation. Was how it has 519 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 4: changed my life. 520 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: I really appreciate you sharing that. 521 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: That's courageous, dude, And I'll say this, man, I learned 522 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: a long time ago, don't try and figure your life out, 523 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 2: but drive it crazy. 524 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: We don't know why things happened, dude, You. 525 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 4: Know, well, there's somebody upstairs that knows exactly what the 526 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 4: plan is, why it is. We just have to accept 527 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: that he's in control of it and be smart enough 528 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 4: to sometimes take us half a step per step back 529 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 4: and listen to him. 530 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: What was the best advice that your coach gave in 531 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 2: therapist or whatever you want to call him, gave you 532 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 2: to help reconcile that this. 533 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: Well, I think the first part and I'll never forget this. 534 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 4: One of the first things that he reminded me. He goes, 535 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: this is this is going to get easier as time 536 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 4: goes on. And it's just there's no time frame, there's nothing, 537 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: there's no template. It's just going to be your Your 538 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: mind will will work through this. But what he did 539 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 4: tell me that ended up being peace of mind for 540 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: me is that as time goes on, you'll think about 541 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 4: it less, and when you do think about it, as 542 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: time goes on, the duration that you spend thinking about 543 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 4: it will will decrease as well, and so at least 544 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: gives you in your mind the image of there's a 545 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 4: light at the end of the tunnel and that you're 546 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 4: gonna come out of this at some point. Like I said, 547 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: there's no template that tells you how long that's going 548 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: to be and what that's going to be like. But 549 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: that was the one thing that really started to get 550 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 4: me to take a breath and go, we'll get We 551 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 4: will get through this at some point. 552 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: One of the things I've done again, figure or not. 553 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 2: I just lost one of my f through suicide, and 554 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: first I have really lost I kind of go about 555 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: this like we just rent these bodies, but the souls 556 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: live on forever. 557 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: So I talked to them all the time. So I 558 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 3: don't know if you talk to this kid at all, 559 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 3: but talk to him, reconcast with him, keep making make 560 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: him your friend, right and make him your friend. 561 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: It's not like, oh my gosh, I did this to 562 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: him or something along those lines, and just lean into him. 563 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: So many advice I. 564 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: Could give you there tell me because I was really 565 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: angry with my guy who did it, and I love 566 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 2: him to death, but I was angry. He and I 567 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: just started talking and that's helped me through and I 568 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: kind of feel. 569 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 4: Like my friend is still there with me, so, yeah, 570 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: I think it's a great idea. It's you know, I 571 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 4: through what happened afterwards and lawsuits and all that, I 572 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 4: learned a lot about about this kid and wasn't a 573 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 4: bad kid, and was a really good race car driver, 574 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 4: but he had some issues too, and some of the 575 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 4: issues he had I had to work through earlier in 576 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 4: my racing career as well, and it would have been 577 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 4: great to get a chance to know him and get 578 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: a chance to try to talk to him and work 579 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 4: with him to help him take some of the lessons 580 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: that I had learned and try to help him with 581 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 4: that as well. And that's what happened to me. I 582 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 4: had a fellow driver that had a way worse situation 583 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 4: happened to him and asked me one day, he goes, 584 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: what are you so mad about? And I really didn't 585 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 4: have a great answer to it. But that started a 586 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,719 Speaker 4: process of learning how to deal with situations better and 587 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: how to put things in perspective. And what I learned 588 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 4: about this young man in New York is that there's 589 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 4: there's some conversations we could have had that possibly could 590 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 4: have helped him too. So, you know, I figure, one day, 591 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 4: hopefully we're both going to the same place and we'll 592 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 4: get a chance to talk about it. But I think 593 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 4: it's a great idea because it's, you know, it was 594 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 4: very hard on his family and you know, they lost 595 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: their only son, and you know, a family that raced 596 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 4: together and we're tight. It's you know, to be able 597 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 4: to bond that back together would be great. 598 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 3: Started having those conversations now now you never know, get hurt. 599 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 4: I agree, Tonnie. 600 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 3: I really appreciate you joining, man. You are a rock star. Brother. 601 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 3: I really appreciate your time dude. 602 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 4: Now and thanks for having us. I enjoyed it. 603 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 3: Tony Stewart here on the Unbreakable podcast. 604 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 4: Thank you, brother, Yes, sir,