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Speaker 1: there's always music. Put your earbuds in let music carry

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Speaker 1: Hope for Justice, a nonprofit organization in the fight against

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad God said make a joyful noise. Are

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Speaker 2: We can do whatever you'd like, Dolly. So she came

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh, of course, And it just said, Natalie, I

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Speaker 2: And I just think it's such a good song for

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Speaker 2: And I was like, what earth am I living on? Like?

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Speaker 1: Again, You're yeah, you're Dolly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm seeing it through a few times. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: many ways that we can get out of that depression.

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Speaker 2: But it real life, and in this broken life, I

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Speaker 2: think when we try to make Christianity this nice, neat

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Speaker 2: little package with a bow on it that isn't actually

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Speaker 2: serving the children of God will. I think honest conversations

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Speaker 2: about real life and real pain and real hope would

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Speaker 2: serve people so much better. And it's one of the

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Speaker 2: reasons I ended up recording this. And I feel it

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Speaker 2: that has these rules, And I'm like, where did we

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Speaker 2: miss who Jesus is? And I feel like so much

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Speaker 2: Like why are you why are you getting so riled up?

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Speaker 2: That's not this person that subscribes to your faith, So

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Speaker 2: why are.

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Speaker 1: You why are you expecting them to live by your

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Speaker 2: And so I feel like when you look at just

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Speaker 2: We see him say why why did you forsake me?

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Speaker 2: Why why did you? And it's that moment where I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 2: but even Jesus had those feelings. And yet we're trying

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Speaker 2: to tell everybody to shut up about them, to stifle them,

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Speaker 2: but even Jesus had a moment, and he's Jesus, It's

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Speaker 2: okay to have your feelings. It's okay. He doesn't want

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Speaker 1: exposing the hard truths. And I applaud you, I salute you.

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Speaker 1: I thank God that you are bold and brave. Hope

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Speaker 1: for Justice as a nonprofit organization that fight again something

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Speaker 1: that is so heinous and so deplorable that you must

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Speaker 1: sometimes feel like you've got a big red X on

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Speaker 1: your back or a bullseye because the people that are

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Speaker 1: involved with human trafficking don't want right people to know

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Speaker 1: the truth.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's interesting because I've been in this this

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Speaker 2: fight for so long. I first learned about it in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and four. I'd never heard the term before, strangely, funny,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. I was watching Law

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Speaker 2: and Order Special Victims Unit, and they did an episode

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Speaker 2: on human trafficking, and I had literally never heard the term,

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Speaker 2: and I was actually angry because I knew the Law

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Speaker 2: my favorite shows, and I was like, they're always ripped

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Speaker 2: from the headlines. These episodes are based on a real case,

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Speaker 2: but I'm like, they were showing kids being sold at

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Speaker 2: the back of a van in New York City, and

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Speaker 2: I remember being like irritated, going this, if this was real,

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Speaker 2: if this was a we would all know about it.

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Speaker 2: There's no way children. So I ended up googling what

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Speaker 2: is human trafficking? And that Google search led me on

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Speaker 2: a journey that took my husband and I to India.

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Speaker 2: We saw trafficking firsthand. We toured braveels, my husband went

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Speaker 2: undercover as a posing as a potential customer. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we learned the reality of what it is. And that

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Speaker 2: was even back in four. Started an organization in five,

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Speaker 2: didn't even know what I was doing, but just knew

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Speaker 2: I had to do something. We ended up merging with

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Speaker 2: an organization in twenty and twelve called Hope for Justice,

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Speaker 2: and this last year they rescued over one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty thousand kids and are all over the globe. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not the hero. I'm a mouthpiece. I talk about it,

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Speaker 2: but there are heroes that have given their life to

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Speaker 2: this fight, that are on the front lines of this fight,

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Speaker 2: that every day one of our staff is having to

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Speaker 2: move because somebody's found out where they live, and I mean,

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Speaker 2: these people go into hiding. It incredible what they've given

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Speaker 2: their lives to do. But what's also incredible is that

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Speaker 2: this is the fastest growing criminal activity in the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is not something that's getting smaller. This

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Speaker 2: is something that these evil will always find a way

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Speaker 2: right to evil people will do evil things. And what

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Speaker 2: they've discovered is, wait, drugs, we can sell drugs, but

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Speaker 2: that's just a one time use. But a human being

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Speaker 2: you can use over and over and over again. And

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Speaker 2: so these people have figured out, like, wait a second,

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Speaker 2: I can make all of this money off of one

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Speaker 2: life that keeps being used, and the drug I have

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Speaker 2: to keep replenishing my supply. And so you've seen drugs

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Speaker 2: and arms kind of go down a little bit, but

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Speaker 2: the sale of human beings have gone up. And it's

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Speaker 2: amazing to me how people are finally talking about this.

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Speaker 2: Finally you feel like this topic, this issue, this subject,

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Speaker 2: it's like it's like it's having a moment right now

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Speaker 2: where God has said enough this is going to be

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Speaker 2: brought into the light. What's been in the deer just

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Speaker 2: hearing it, and I do feel like we're coming into

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Speaker 2: a season where God is accelerating those things that are

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Speaker 2: in the dark being brought into the light.

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Speaker 1: And there's there is so much in the dark. Children,

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Speaker 1: Vanish and Indigenous women right the number is astounding, and.

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Speaker 2: You go, where did they go? They're being trafficked.

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Speaker 1: They're being trafficked.

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Speaker 2: And I do see that tide changing a little bit

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Speaker 2: where and we're having programs that really do help to

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Speaker 2: go in and train law enforcement because when we first

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Speaker 2: started talking about trafficking, they viewed the victim like a prostitute.

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Speaker 2: So a victim would be arrested. When you're like, that's

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Speaker 2: a that's a fifteen year old that you're putting it

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Speaker 2: in June for prostitution. She she this is not the

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Speaker 2: life she chose for herself. And even if you're saying, well,

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Speaker 2: she did kind of, no, don't if my child has

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Speaker 2: to get a permission slip to have their ears pierced,

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Speaker 2: how is it that a fifteen year old can be

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Speaker 2: held responsible for knowing what it is that they want

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Speaker 2: to do with or without their No, we're failing kids

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Speaker 2: in that way. But so many of these of these

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Speaker 2: these law enforcement agencies don't understand oh wait, but that

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Speaker 2: they're beginning to These are not prostitutes.

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Speaker 1: This is not prostitution, This is human trafficking.

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Speaker 2: These are victims.

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Speaker 1: Well, Natalie Grant, thank you for spending all this time with.

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Speaker 2: Me, for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, creation you are an inspiration. So if

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Speaker 1: because you're going to be tracked with your children and

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Speaker 1: your husband. But where can they find you or where

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Speaker 1: can they simple.

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Speaker 2: Natalie Grant dot com. That's the same. My socials are

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Speaker 2: under my name Natalie Grant, and my website Natalie Grant

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Speaker 2: dot com has all my tour days.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we can find you on tour. We

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Speaker 1: can go listen to your song with Dolly step by step.

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Speaker 1: We can go listen to the soundtrack of Dear Evannsen,

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Speaker 1: which is a great soundtrack. Great soundtrack. And if anybody

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Speaker 1: wants to get involved with your not the nonprofit just Hope.

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Speaker 2: For Justice Hope for Justice dot org.

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Speaker 1: Perfect, perfect, and hopefully people will step up to the

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Speaker 1: plate and say, you know what I want to make

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Speaker 1: a difference. I want to save a child. I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to be a part of something bigger

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Speaker 1: than me and greater than me that matters.

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Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, Thank you for letting me share about that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, God bless you. I hope to talk to

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Speaker 1: you soon.

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Speaker 2: I hope to talk to you again too. Take care.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming aboard and sharing from the heart today, Natalie.

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Speaker 1: When you're done listening to this episode, there's a couple

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Speaker 1: of things I want you to do. I want you

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Speaker 1: to find step by Step featuring Dolly Pardon from her

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Speaker 1: latest album, Seasons. I want you to check out all

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Speaker 1: of her music. I want you to go to Natalie

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Speaker 1: Grant nata l i e. Natalie Grant dot com for

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Speaker 1: the latest information music, videos, concerts, and appearances, and just

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Speaker 1: how to keep in touch. But most importantly, because I

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Speaker 1: know this is what's most important to her heart, I

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Speaker 1: want you to learn more about hope for justice and

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Speaker 1: how you can get involved and save lives. I'm so

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Speaker 1: thrilled to have had the opportunity to chat with Natalie

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Speaker 1: today and for all of you to hear about her music,

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Speaker 1: but especially about the good work trying to do. Whose

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Speaker 1: life have you touched or inspired today Today, in this

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Speaker 1: season of spring, the season of new beginnings, have you

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Speaker 1: gifted anyone with a smile, a kind word, an important hug.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it surprising that when we do the greatest gift

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be in the giving, but in what

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Speaker 1: we receive in our spirits. Be more giving of ourselves

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Speaker 1: and you will find out it fills your own cup.

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Speaker 1: I hope your cup runneth over like the babbling brook

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Speaker 1: outside my window that calls bathing birds, darting dragonflies, and

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Speaker 1: the fresh water. Thank you for spending time with Natalie

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Speaker 1: and me today. Join me next time on Love Someone,

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Speaker 1: and check out my daily podcast. Hey it's Delilah. And

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