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Speaker 1: This is the Almost Famous podcast with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to Almost Famous and I am so

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Speaker 2: excited to get to talk to you today. I mean

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Speaker 2: this is going to be a gripping interview. Oh boy, yes,

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Speaker 2: so uh, Susan, You've been a part of obviously The

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Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor, it was just air that just aired, and

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Speaker 2: then you were a huge part of the Golden Wedding.

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Speaker 3: Wedding.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, were you surprised when they were like, you know,

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Speaker 2: let's have season actually do the officiancy.

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Speaker 4: So you know, it's funny when I talked to Jason

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Speaker 4: some months before they have me go do a segment

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Speaker 4: in Joey's show, and he said, while they have you

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Speaker 4: on the phone, just know January fourth, you're going to

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Speaker 4: be out and Kelly and I said, for what he goes, Wow,

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Speaker 4: let's just say it's an opportunity.

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Speaker 3: In my brain, I was like, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Going to get to meet Chris k We're going to

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Speaker 1: have lunch.

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Speaker 4: So when we were at the Final Rose and they

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Speaker 4: announced the wedding January fourth, I knew.

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Speaker 3: I used the right now.

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Speaker 2: You and I were talking earlier, we are we are

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Speaker 2: actually coming uh this podcast where we're we're doing it

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Speaker 2: here in Carmel, California.

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Speaker 3: It's beautiful, isn't it? Lovely place?

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Speaker 2: Our second year coming out here to do the pro

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Speaker 2: am and to be a part of everything out here

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Speaker 2: which has been so beautiful. And you and I were

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Speaker 2: talking outside about how you said, uh, you haven't had

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Speaker 2: a bunch of people sliding into.

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Speaker 3: Your d MS.

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Speaker 2: Yam unlucky, unsurprisingly, but I think you you have, you

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Speaker 2: gotten a bunch of officiant offers.

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Speaker 4: Now that you've been blowing up, blowing up. I can's cool,

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Speaker 4: that's been great, that's been great.

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Speaker 3: So who knows. I mean, you might just roll on.

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Speaker 3: It might be one of those things that comes.

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Speaker 2: You're up there on this on the stage, officiating officials

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Speaker 2: at somebody's wedding. He's like a groomsman rights it Has

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Speaker 2: it been a certain demo that you've been getting young bride?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Is your father available? I meant an uncle?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So what is the age range?

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Speaker 2: I know you were on the show The Golden Bachelor

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Speaker 2: and and we all know the garys in his seventies, right,

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Speaker 2: So is that is that you're prime?

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Speaker 3: Because you're youthful, you have a ton of energy days.

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Speaker 3: But go down. I won't go past fourteen years younger. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So okay, so fourteen years younger what I could do?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you'd be let's see, you'd be looking at

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Speaker 2: thirty five.

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Speaker 4: Fifty six actually okay, okay, so that's not a bad

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Speaker 4: that's let's see, I'm fifty three.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. I mean, too bad, you're taking We had

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Speaker 3: some fun. So, okay, you're on the show.

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Speaker 2: We were talking about how the producers can kind of

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Speaker 2: encourage you to say things and get you to do

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Speaker 2: different things, and it's you know, ratings gold right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the show was a big hit. So there

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Speaker 3: was something you.

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Speaker 2: Brought up that I thought was kind of interesting, something about, uh,

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Speaker 2: some measurement something.

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Speaker 3: What was that?

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Speaker 4: As I said on The Women Tell All, if I

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Speaker 4: my son was going to be that upset with me

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Speaker 4: for saying six inches, he didn't talk to me.

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Mom, I can't believe you said that. So when I

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Speaker 3: was a woman Tell Jesse asked me.

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Speaker 4: To describe that movement, Yeah, I said, I would have

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Speaker 4: definitely said eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're gonna get in trouble for it, yeah, exactly. Now, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we've been hearing some talk that there might be some

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Speaker 2: conversations about because of the success of the Golden Bachelor

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Speaker 2: in the Golden Wedding, maybe they do a Golden Bachelorette.

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Speaker 3: I believe that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think the ads out for men to apply interesting.

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Speaker 4: I believe honestly that you can find more women than

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Speaker 4: you can men at that. Yeah. I bet if I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. Definitely go down in eight right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You'll be like, hey, let's hope up the casting pool

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Speaker 2: a little bit, right, have they Have they mentioned it

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Speaker 4: They four of us side think, yeah, this has been interesting,

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Speaker 4: and we all have our own thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I always thought it was interesting that when

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Speaker 2: when they asked me to be the Bachelor, and I

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Speaker 2: because Oprah had taken a liking to Trista's season of

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Speaker 2: the of the Bachelorette, and I was someone who's just

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Speaker 2: kept appearing on Oprah, right, So I was on there

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Speaker 2: have to be the next bachelor, and that was really

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Speaker 2: all it.

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, O Earth the Oprah. But they never asked me.

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Speaker 2: They never like said, like, what are you interested in

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Speaker 3: Like? They didn't ask me.

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Speaker 2: So when I show up as a bachelor, it was like,

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Speaker 2: I think they cast who they thought I would be

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Speaker 2: interested in, not necessarily never they never said like do

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Speaker 2: you like blondes, brunettes, like you know, someone who's you know, tall, short.

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Speaker 3: They didn't ask me anything.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they did Gary, if he had anything

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it would be interested in.

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Speaker 2: That would be interesting because generally speaking, I think I

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Speaker 2: of very confident all types.

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Speaker 3: And you and I talked about this.

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Speaker 2: I've been asked a bunch of times, you know, what,

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Speaker 2: what type of advice would you give to the next bachelor?

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Speaker 2: And my statement has always been for the guy to

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Speaker 2: realize about you, right, you really know, I'm always like, buddy,

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Speaker 2: you are not ben Affleck. Okay, this is just because

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Speaker 2: a flower. It doesn't make you leading man.

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Speaker 2: But I always say, I'm always like, it's not about

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Speaker 2: around that guy. And I and I say that, you know,

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Speaker 2: but I'm honestly not. I really think that if you

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Speaker 2: had a monkey up there handing out a flower and

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Speaker 2: you have twenty very strong, beautiful, accomplished women, they're just.

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Speaker 3: Like, I don't want that bitch to get a flower.

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Speaker 3: She's not gone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's more about the women and that in

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Speaker 2: that interplay that it's really not about the Guy's not

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Speaker 2: the product.

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Speaker 1: Go back to chemistry. There has to be chemistry.

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Speaker 2: I had it, Yeah, and you, I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: what would you say?

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Speaker 1: Was I was his support? He confided in me.

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Speaker 4: I made him laugh, like the very first one, not

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Speaker 4: I remember looking in his eyes, and he was very

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Speaker 4: sincere and paid attention, which is very important in who

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Speaker 4: I picked you, and I liked it. I thought, oh well,

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Speaker 4: let's give this a shot. Yeah, I'd like to get

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Speaker 4: to know him. We never got to that point where

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Speaker 4: out of his birthday cake and everything I did made

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Speaker 4: him laugh. And at the Rose ceremonies, I was his

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Speaker 4: support in a touch of my heart, I was there

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Speaker 3: So we're buddies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like a wonderful gift to come away

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Speaker 2: from the show with Trista and I have been friends

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Speaker 2: now for twenty years. Ryan was actually my roommate in

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Speaker 2: the mansion when we were like we were bunk mates.

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Speaker 2: You know, you were in a bunk bed. Well, we

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Speaker 2: were in singles. Yeah, they weren't stacked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we were like we were in singles.

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Speaker 2: But it was funny because you know, it was a

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Speaker 2: very similar type of chemistry, Like I adore her, but

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Speaker 2: we we were we had that friendship vibe that's carried

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Speaker 2: over for twenty years now.

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Speaker 4: When you weren't the bachelor per se, you were in

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Speaker 4: the group. Yes, how did the men vibe. Oh, so, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, it is interesting. I I think it starts at

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Speaker 3: It's all about gratitude.

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Speaker 2: And so we went on that show and it's you know,

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Speaker 2: we were twenty five guys.

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Speaker 2: And I remember saying, because I was the elder statesman

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Speaker 2: I remember saying to the guys, I was like, guys,

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Speaker 2: it does matter if we like each other or not.

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Speaker 2: What matters is who she likes. So why don't we

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Speaker 2: make Why don't we have a great time. Let's be buddies.

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Speaker 2: Let's get along.

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Speaker 3: Let's be supportive of one of the guys. Guy, And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let's be buddies.

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Speaker 1: Anybody butt up against you, like, not really.

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Speaker 3: With me, but they would like there was still a

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Speaker 3: couple of and I'd be like, dude, they're filming. You

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Speaker 3: don't don't don't don't talk like that. You're gonna regret it,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 2: And I was so glad because we got along great

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Speaker 2: and then when I was the Bachelor after that, I

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Speaker 2: remember saying, like, I had such a great experience on

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Speaker 2: the beast Red because we all got along. I hope

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Speaker 2: you guys can do the same thing. I think for

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Speaker 2: the most part, the women on my show got along

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Speaker 2: really well too. You know, there are a couple in

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Speaker 2: there that you know, they weren't there to make friends, right,

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Speaker 2: That's where the whole thing started, I think.

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Speaker 4: But that was different with our show because I guess

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Speaker 4: because of our agent, our maturity, and what we've been

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Speaker 4: through in life, we were bonding that I took away

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Speaker 4: such good friendships from this.

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Speaker 3: You've probably heard me say this before.

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Speaker 2: I was so happy with how they cast the show

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Speaker 2: because there was definitely an opportunity there where they could have,

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Speaker 2: you know, made it like, yeah, like cast some some

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Speaker 2: you know, young women in there that we're going to

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Speaker 2: just stir up the pot and all this kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I was so glad that they went with an age

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Speaker 2: appropriate cast, beautiful, accomplished, still young, you know, still young

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Speaker 2: and vibrant women. But it wasn't like they were trying

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Speaker 2: to just mix it, mix it up and make it

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Speaker 2: druma dramatic for dreams.

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Speaker 4: Don't you think it's time you gave me a real

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Speaker 3: Went for he brought it in. That's all you can do.

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Speaker 4: Actually I stayed to the very last right before hoo

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Speaker 4: Because I was his support system. I really believe it.

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Speaker 3: Today, isn't that nice? Yes?

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Speaker 4: And I was plugging away. I'm going to marry charity.

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Speaker 4: I told Braden, I'm going to marry your business cards

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So how's your experience been so far here in Karmel?

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Speaker 2: I have You've been having fun getting to everybody.

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Speaker 4: Just a little upset of the weather. But I'm even

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Speaker 3: Next year, I will stay.

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Speaker 4: I'll buy your shirt. Yeah, no one's going to know

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Speaker 2: I had so much fun hanging out with you last

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Speaker 4: Right, I didn't even know, right, But yeah, I'm so

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Speaker 3: Okay, nice. Now.

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Speaker 4: I used to see this woman's mother for twenty some years.

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Speaker 4: Long story short. She says to me, there's a third ring.

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Speaker 4: I go really, she said. He has a connection with California.

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Speaker 3: Listen. We're not kissing like friends. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: We're going for I just know how to kiss. That's

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Speaker 3: Now, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. I'm practicing on my pillow in

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Speaker 2: how do you learn that?

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Speaker 3: You know? It just happens, you're not.

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Speaker 2: if there are any out there, keeping to yourselves, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't want to hear about it. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I should have a great time the rest of the time.

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Speaker 2: You're I and we get to have you on the

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Speaker 2: show again, thanking about all the other good stuff. Absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I know it's just lining up I'm having the ball,

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Speaker 2: so keep it up.

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Speaker 3: Let's go see this Gouff