WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: The Importance of Family Dynamics 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:09.280 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markwood Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.440 On my monologue last episode, I talked about how people 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.239 crave normal and they want to know what to expect. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.959 A few people have called this election the revenge of 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.680 the normies, and I really have to agree. People don't 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.159 want to be yelled at for using a term that 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.760 was okay last year but no longer is today. They 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:34.040 don't want to have to use language they think is ridiculous. 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.320 They don't want to be judged for having very standard 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:41.159 opinions by people who are really fringe, but have it 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.960 reinforced by others because everyone is afraid to fight back. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.760 I can hear people saying, but Donald Trump is unpredictable, 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.560 and that's true, but not in the way the last 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.040 few years have been extremely unpredictable. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.120 We really couldn't be sure. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.480 What Joe Biden and comm Will Harris believed. Biden ran 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:08.160 as a moderate and then seemed not controlled but certainly 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:13.120 guided by his more left wing staff. Kamala Harris was 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:16.520 super left in California, but then ran as a moderate 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.559 this time. Last time she ran as super left. Yes, 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.640 politics is what it is, and Donald Trump was a 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.000 Democrat from most of his life and all of that. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.400 But there is a sense with Trump that you get 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:33.280 what you get and there is no pretense. People like 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.560 to know what to expect. Yes, I'm going to tie 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.840 the political back to your own lives. If the election 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.959 went the way you hoped, there really is no need 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.880 to poke your liberal friends and family in the eye 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:48.480 with it. And if it didn't go the way you hoped, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.880 I'd suggest not going around talking about how everyone who 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.840 voted for Trump is a fascist. More than anything else, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.480 let the people around you know that this is the 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.880 behavior they can expect from you, you will expect from them. 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.720 Thanksgivings coming soon. Don't get roped into arguing with people 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:09.680 you love over politics. It's not that the political is 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.720 not important. It's just that no one's mind will get changed. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.919 No one enjoys being lectured or getting little comments made 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.880 at them, and rifts will form. So lay down the 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:26.440 expectations in all of your relationships and live up to 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:31.800 those expectations. 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That's Sabre radio dot com, or call eight 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.200 four four eight two four Safe Today. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:57.400 Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.440 On iHeartRadio. My guest today is Mychael Brendan Doherty. He's 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.360 a senior writer at National Review, the William F. Buckley, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.040 Senior Scholar at Intercollegiate Studies Institute, and the author of 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:12.000 My Father Left Me Ireland, a really fantastic book. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:14.600 I loved it so much. Hi, Michael, so nice to 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:15.040 have you on. 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.360 I mean, it's great. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:19.680 I love the book. 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:22.280 I mean, I think I've recommended it to so many people. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.880 It's a few years old now and I still like 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:25.719 refer to it. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.200 When did it come out. 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.520 It was twenty nineteen, so it was in the Before Times. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.680 Yeah, totally before times. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:37.719 I looked up the other day and thought, oh, maybe 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.120 I should do a five year five years event, and 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:42.560 then I realized that already passed. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:48.240 Well, what about like a follow up of you know, well, 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.320 we should you write second books? I hear not me personally, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.760 but I am aware people do it. This was your first, right. 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.680 I haven't done it yet, but you know, stay tuned. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.440 There may be news on that front soon. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.840 Okay, I will stay tuned. 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.719 So the book is about you're raised in America, your 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:13.000 father is Irish and lives in Ireland. My kids used 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.359 to walk by the book and think your dad was 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.000 like an Irish king or something and he left you Ireland. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:20.840 But that's not what it's about. So can you tell 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.120 us a little bit about it, or. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.480 Yeah, you know, it's funny what your kids thought is 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.120 kind of what my father almost taught me to believe. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.919 But it was I wanted to write about a couple 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.960 of things at once which were coming together, which were 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.760 growing up fatherless. Right. My father had left before I 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.640 was born, and wasn't it was only a very sporadic 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:49.520 presence in my childhood and kind of had an unusually 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:57.400 unusual relationship in that, like most children of divorce or 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.200 for single children only children, you know, they'll have their 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.400 father on the weekends or you know, part of the holidays, 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.200 and that wasn't it for me. For me, I would 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.520 see him maybe every two or three years, for maybe 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.000 a week at a time, like a kind of controlled visit, 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.800 and then sometimes even more sporadic than that. And then 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.680 I was reflecting on that relationship I'd had with him 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.640 in light of a couple of events as I was 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:35.839 becoming an adult, which was my own mother dying, the 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:42.080 mother who raised me, and then having children myself and 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:49.200 my mother had kind of filled our home with Irish 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:56.279 culture and music and even some language and yeah, Irish American, 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.160 and in kind of my father's absence, it was a 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.120 kind of Breadcombe trail back to him in a way. 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:08.840 And gradually, you know that the throughout the these letters 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.040 that I'm writing to him in this book, I'm revealing 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.280 the story of how he and I reconciled as adults. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.080 And you know how meaningful that was to me, to 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:23.320 my to my children, and sort of also this kind 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:28.840 of gift. It gave me of access to Irish nationality 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.000 and it's kind of legends and history, and and through 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.000 that I was able to access values and ideas that 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.200 aren't in fashion right now, right like about how to 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:45.040 you know, how to be a man, how to be responsible, 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.720 how to be you know, there's a there's a kind 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.520 of contrast in the end of the book between the 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.320 kind of education I received as a young kid in 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.960 the nineteen nineties, where it was like we were sured 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.000 we were going to get whatever we wanted life right 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.680 very easily. Just you know, just get educated, behave seasonally enough, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.760 and it'll all come to you easily, which wasn't exactly true. 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.640 And then the education that kind of the hero of 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.760 the Irish Revolution Patrick Pierce offered his students where he 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:23.239 wanted to teach them to be proud, valiant and tough 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:31.640 like and even willing to sacrifice their lives for something beautiful. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.640 And what I came to realize in the end was that, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.679 you know, in a way, my mother had been that 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.400 sacrificial figure in my life who kind of threw her 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.320 life away for me of love for me, and that 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:53.520 my father had also been this surprise figure in that. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.600 You know, I'd always conceived of his abandonment as you know, 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:03.280 an act, you know, or right, but in fact I 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.320 kind of it dawns on me over the course of 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:12.400 this how much grief and love and regret filled his 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.000 life on the other side. So, yeah, I just wanted 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.520 to write about that because it's something listeness is hugely, yeah, 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:26.880 like endemic in society, and I had this unique perspective 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:31.120 on it and this unique experience of it, one that 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.080 kind of shed some hope for some people. 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.640 We'll be right back with more from Michael Brendan Doherty. 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:42.880 But first, protecting our families and homes is essential. 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:44.440 But are we truly prepared. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:48.599 Break Ins happen every twenty five seconds. Even with a 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.839 security system, can it really keep intruders out? Layer your 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.200 defenses to buy yourself time. 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Visit Saberradio dot com, that's Sabre radio dot 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:55.199 com or call eight four four eight two four safe 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.720 Today to protect what matters most. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.000 I remember reading this and thinking your mother left you 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:11.120 Ireland and that she was the pusher of Irish culture 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:12.199 and Irish thought. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.520 So it's interesting you know that your dad was the 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.760 one living there, but I felt like your mom was 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:21.000 the one who who really tied. 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:21.560 You to the place. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:24.680 Yeah, and you know, it was funny. One of the 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.760 reviews picked up on that. I thought Andrew Sullivan, of 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.360 all people, picked up on that most of all said that, like, 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.679 it's a book about fatherhood, but it's it's a disguised 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:42.599 poem about maternal love. And in a way, like it 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:47.560 was a very fulfilling book to write, Like personally, I 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:52.199 remember when I got to read the audiobook. I got 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.320 to be the voice of the audiobook, which's not something 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.120 every author gets to do. And so I was reading 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.440 the completed work just before it was coming out, and 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:07.400 it was incredibly like a cathartic experience to do this, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.880 and it was sort of like no reversal. Like when 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.000 I was a very young boy, you know, you're taught 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:17.199 the ten commandments, like honor your father and mother, and 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.079 I remember, like, as like a little kid, I was 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.160 kind of cynical about it. At like six years old. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.960 I was like, yeah, God will let me off on 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:25.200 this one. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.200 This one clearly does not count. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:34.240 Clearly like it doesn't apply to me exactly like and 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:36.199 so then I had this experience at like thirty five 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.440 years old, as children are coming into my life, where 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:42.120 I felt for the first time like I had obeyed 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.079 the commandment. And it's such a childly thing to think, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.520 but it was. Yeah, it was incredibly moving to experience 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:49.920 as well. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:55.040 Though, are you succeeding and raising your children like with 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.520 those Irish values that you talk about. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.959 I'm certainly they certainly have the romance for Ireland. I mean, 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.800 we've been able to We're very you know, we're blessed 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:10.000 with more material resources and cheaper airfare than existed in 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:15.120 my childhood. You know, in my childhood, you know, a 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.200 a phone call to Ireland could like rerecord the family 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.640 budget for the month, you know what I mean, like 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.800 long distance phone call just to my father. So we 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.720 didn't have them. I had letters. And now you know, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.240 we get to go, you know maybe every other year. 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.400 He comes here, you. 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:39.080 Know, and he's really courage and the valiant and the 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.720 second I mean, I'm trying, you know, you know, you try, 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:49.680 yeah to teach your boy's courage and to be proud and. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.000 You know, so, like you just try to fill them 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:59.240 with stories that that give them that worldview or like 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.280 important that worldview, so that it's not absent from them 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:07.000 because they wouldn't normally get it from no like uh 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.679 like even the like kids watch like there's some magic 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.520 being that just sort of interrupts and fixes all the 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:18.120 problems for them, Like one of them, it's like there's 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:22.160 this weird like magic mom or magic whatever. Even from 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.280 the youngest ages, Like there's like a Mickey cartoon that 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.800 used to be on where like they would just summon 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:31.000 some magic. 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.360 Yeah. I remember this. I forgot what it was called. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.960 It had a had like a chant or something you 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.760 had to be like, Yeah, my kids used to watch. 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.520 It when they were little. I totally remember that. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.920 They summoned some masker tool or something. 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.560 Yeah, mouskool mausker tool. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.680 They would like just summon this thing to like fix 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:49.680 all their problems. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.280 Yeah, your kids are small, right, Hell are your kids? 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.960 Yeah? They're small now they're nine, uh seven and five. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.160 Yeah, and you forget the mask of tools. Let me 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.000 tell you. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.000 Yeah, yeah, if you forget the mask you tools. But 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:08.479 it's you know, we try to give them challenges and 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.360 you know, to learn that, like it's okay to fail, 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.720 and it's okay to take on something big, so big 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:19.560 that you're bound to fail in some ways, right, and 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.440 and that's how you grow. So you know, we're starting there. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.720 I mean, I won't get to like the self sacrifice stuff, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:29.080 I think until a little later. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:29.920 Maybe a little later. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:34.840 Yeah, but yeah, it's and of course there's the book itself, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:36.280 and you know, I think it's like a kind of 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.240 treasure that they'll they'll discover in you know, fifteen years 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:42.440 or so, twenty years. 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.720 Yeah. What do you consider your beat at National Review? 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.040 I consider my beat sort of to be, you know, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:56.760 it's politics and culture, religion, but often like a little 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:01.520 bit more of from a a traditional perspective I think, 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:04.440 you know, from a you know, and sometimes from a 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.040 dissenting perspective. Right, So, like I'm a little bit like 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.520 I kind of exist at National Review to be maybe 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.640 in that publication the minority voice on foreign policy. I'm 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.120 a bit of a dove on most is, most conflicts, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.560 not all, but most. There's a little bit of a 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.120 you know, into trump Ism before Trump. You know, I'm 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.200 a big free trader. I think a free trade is 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:36.040 sort of a convenience, not as like a political ideal. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.120 You know, I've always been funny. 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:41.680 I see it as a political ideal, but I don't 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:46.400 think it actually functions as you know, as that ideal. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:51.240 So like I if I could run the world, it 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.320 would be free trade. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.960 But we don't have free trade. So I don't you know, 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:57.720 I don't think that we need to continue to push 0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.240 something that isn't happening. 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.760 What's funny about it is like for me, it's just 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.320 so obvious that like history, like geopolitics and war kind 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:11.080 of proceed trade. Like so you know, for instance, like 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.160 there's a reason we buy our cars from the two 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.560 countries we defeated in World War two, like and that 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.760 we immediedly you know, that we immediately needed to make 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:23.040 into allies in the Cold War, Like you know, there's 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.919 like and again like there there's a reason why like 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.720 we opened trade with China kind of after Nixon, you know, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.280 as a way of pulling them away from the Soviet Union. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:40.240 And you know, so like there's all these I think 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.280 the politics precedes the trade policy. It's like, Okay, we're 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:44.639 going to be friends, We're going to be part of 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.600 a pact and we're going to integrate our economies somewhat, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.320 not all the way, right, yeah, because like if you 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.200 did it all the way, we wouldn't even have farming 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.520 in America. We would just be like, well, American lifestyle 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.560 is too expensive to support farming, but we have farming, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.320 you know. We find ways to make it cheap to farm, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:11.800 and and then we subsidize it too. So yeah, so 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.960 trade is sort of yeah, I've always been a kind 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.320 of heretic there, And the same thing on foreign policy. 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.080 What do you what do you worry about? 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:26.200 Do I worry about like politically or socially. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.360 It could be whichever way you feel like answering. It's 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.840 one of the questions I ask all my. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:35.440 Guests worry about. Like I talk a lot about fertility rates, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.400 like how fast women are having babies or not having them, 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.720 because I think human I have this belief that for 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:48.320 most of history, like most humans, their their closest, their 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.520 kith and kin kind of are the people they rely 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:56.240 on for emotional support and development. The larger your family, like, 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.680 the more powerful you are in some ways, and that 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.000 it's not just economically but socially, like if you're the 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.200 weird kid in your house. But you have a big family. 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.439 You probably have like a weird uncle or aunt that 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.399 you relate to and help you out, or you have 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:15.879 cousins that can help you find a job, you know, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.360 in something that actually pro Big. 0:19:19.200 --> 0:19:22.480 Families for sure, for that reason, for lots of reasons. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.200 I mean I come from a small family, and I 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.600 think big families are the dream. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.119 Yeah, you know my household growing up with my grandparents, 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.520 my mother and myself and then slowly just my mother 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:37.840 and myself, and then you know, I felt that experience 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.720 of just me just kind of being cut off at 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:44.680 the end. So I worry about that. I worry about 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:47.760 the loneliness that kind of comes with with that, and 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:52.520 also that family life is sort of contagious, like like 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.639 I you know, I go to a traditional Catholic church 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.119 where we have the old Latin Mass, and there's a 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.240 lot of big families that and like when a young 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.479 couple comes in, you can almost like feel them go 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.639 from like we can have like five kids or like 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.320 maybe they get seven kids someday, like because they're seeing 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:13.399 other families do it. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.480 Yeah, like which is a huge I mean, just seeing 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.440 other people succeed at it is something. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:21.879 Even having just one or two. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.800 Kids or you know not you know, just having a 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:29.000 family in general, I think sends a message of possibility 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:33.280 to somebody who might not have thought that that was before. 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.080 I mean, there's all these like studies and articles about 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.480 how young people see marriage and family as completely out 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.600 of reach and maybe something that only rich people do, 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.639 which is crazy, and you hope to turn that around. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.640 Like I wish people could see some of the families 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:53.680 we know that you know, somehow like raised ten children 0:20:54.480 --> 0:21:00.280 on you know, a music teacher's salary, and you know, 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:04.200 the the first children are going into the Ivy League like. 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:06.800 Those you know, like yeah, you. 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.280 Know, the the incredible success. And then also like how 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.919 rich the children's lives are because they have this dense 0:21:14.080 --> 0:21:18.600 network of relationships with their siblings and cousins. You know, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.520 in my own own life, that's been really hugely rewarding. 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.240 As you know, I went from being the only child 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:28.000 with a single mother to now I have three children 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:34.120 of my own. We have they have four cousins around 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.520 and like locally in the neighbor like very close by. Yeah, 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:42.200 it's some even in our neighborhood, and like you know, 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:43.560 the house can be full. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:46.280 And no better feelings. 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:46.560 Right. 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:51.000 Yeah, Like this weekend, we took to my my sister 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:55.040 in law's kids for the weekend to you know, give 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.760 them a breaking it, let them get a get away 0:21:56.760 --> 0:22:00.720 in and over the long weekend it's five of them, 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:05.760 you know, running around. It was awesome. Yeah, And so 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.959 I worry about I worry about the fertility thing I 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:15.560 worry about sounds weird. I worry about like government collapse. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.720 Like I think COVID brought like huge stress to a 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:24.960 lot of governments, probably unnecessarily in a lot of ways, 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.560 but we I think we saw a huge part of 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.360 that was like in our immigration crisis in the last 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:36.000 couple of years, where people are fleeing governments in South 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:40.359 America that totally failed and people's lives worsened really fast 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:44.240 in some of them. And like I worry that there's 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:49.760 like like China or in North Korea will like collapse 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.080 into total disorder and send like a human wave of 0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:58.800 misery over their borders that becomes like impossible for the 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:05.200 international community to to support in any like rational way. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.760 So like you know that that's something I haven't heard described. 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:12.880 But yeah, I'm gonna start worrying about that too. 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:17.040 I just like, you know, how would how would South 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:23.639 Korea cope if North Korea literally fell apart tomorrow? How 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.240 would we cope? If you know, if China really like 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:31.199 went on a decline quickly. I think we would do okay, 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.480 but like I think it would be very rough slemming 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.240 for a while. Yeah, so, yeah, I worry. I worry 0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:41.600 a bit about that. Yeah, like North Korea going the 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:45.320 way of Venezuela or like one of these Southern Triangle 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.720 countries and just losing control, even though I'd like to 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:53.200 see that government go away and be transformed, Like I don't, 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:56.320 like I worry. 0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.000 You know, you don't want to, right. 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:05.199 Right, So yeah, so I worry about those things. But 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.560 I'm also like medium term hopeful, you know. I think, 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.000 you know, on the on the population front, I think 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.800 people are realizing that something is wrong and like we 0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.120 need to make a society that's more welcoming to children 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:22.600 and that children are good. I think people are waking 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:26.639 up to it. Yeah, I mean it could be weird, 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.640 Like I could imagine like a reaction going too. 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.600 Far, like like people having too many kids. 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.080 Well no, I mean more like like a left wing 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:39.360 like all right, let's have a Handmaid's a Handmaid's tale 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.880