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Speaker 1: We are headed to overtime and we are through four

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Speaker 1: welcome to OT and we will be working overtime this week.

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Speaker 1: It coincides with the start of NFL free agency, the

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Speaker 1: legal tampering period based on when you're watching, when you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this may have already started. That begins at

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Speaker 1: noon Eastern time Monday, Free agency and the new league year,

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Speaker 1: the new league calendar, as they say, that begins at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock Eastern time this Wednesday. Overtime. Here on the

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Speaker 1: set with Casey Value, JJ Stangobitz, I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for watching along on YouTube and the Colts Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Boys were ready, We're ready.

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Speaker 2: It don't matter if you are, because it's here. You

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Speaker 3: I have. I don't know what you guys do, But

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Speaker 1: All while watching some college basketball. You got the brackets

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Speaker 2: There's two ways to look at this with Gardner Minshew.

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Speaker 3: You kind of look around what other teams have done

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Speaker 3: And that's where Gardner Minshew was so important to Anthony

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. I don't disagree with you, Casey,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my big question for Gardner and you know you

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Speaker 1: Sixty six quarterbacks in the NFL last year started a game.

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Speaker 3: Jamal Adams, Quandre Diggs, Yeah, I mean Jackson.

435
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Speaker 1: So many guys. How does how does the infiltration of

436
00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,120
Speaker 1: so much talent and experience now available in free agency?

437
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: How is that going to impact Julian Blackman as he

438
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of sniffs around outside of the Colts.

439
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 2: That's a really good question in some ways. I don't

440
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: know if it's it's linear, but you look at kind

441
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: of what Zach Moss might deal with in the running

442
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 2: back market. When you look at the top tier guys there,

443
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,120
Speaker 2: I mean some of these safeties, I mean you talk

444
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 2: about Jordan Ployers and Justin Simmons, I mean some of

445
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: these guys are They've been elite safeties in this league

446
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 2: for quite a bit of time. So it is going

447
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 2: to be interesting that the I think Julian has is

448
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, he he is one of the younger ones.

449
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 2: It's going to hit when you look at that list. Sure,

450
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 2: I know he's got the injury concerns and that's always

451
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: going to be the big red flag for Julian and

452
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 2: that might force him to not be one of those

453
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,640
Speaker 2: premier guys. So I don't know necessarily what the impact

454
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: is going to be, because I think he might be

455
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: one of those guys that might actually get the benefit

456
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Speaker 2: of the doubt because he's going to be a little

457
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: bit on the cheaper end compared to what you might

458
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 2: have to pay for a proven all pro guy, whether

459
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Speaker 2: that be Justin Simmons or a guy and Jordan Poyer

460
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: or you know whoever these Kevin Byerd's a guy. I mean,

461
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: you talked about him. We saw what he did in

462
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,200
Speaker 2: Nashville for so long, so it's gonna be real. Those

463
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 2: are the two positions, you know, just from you know

464
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 2: us having you know, a guy on the on the

465
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: roster from last year who enters in that free agency

466
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: realm that I'll be really interested to see where running

467
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: back and safety end up for both guys in Zach

468
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 2: Moss and Julian Blackman who have proven they can play

469
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Speaker 2: at a high level, and it'll be really interesting to

470
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Speaker 2: see what the rest of the league has to say.

471
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,680
Speaker 2: And there are two guys that we all know very

472
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Speaker 2: very well that if they come back here, I won't

473
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Speaker 2: be disappointed at all.

474
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 3: There are eleven safeties scheduled to hit unrestricted free agency

475
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 3: this week who played over nine hundred snaps last season.

476
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Speaker 2: Eleven and you.

477
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 3: Could you could even go farther down. Let's see, let

478
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 3: me just count. That's twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

479
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: eighteen safeties who played over seven hundred snaps. So it

480
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 3: is with a boatload of experience and right, and yeah,

481
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 3: boatload of experience all pros that you know. That list,

482
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 3: by the way, didn't even include Eddie Jackson, who's a

483
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Speaker 3: former All Pro, Jamal Adams who's a former All Pro,

484
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: Kareem Jackson, another guy who's you know, made Pro Bowls.

485
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: It is a a loaded safety class this year, and

486
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Speaker 3: I do wonder how that impacts, you know, Julian Blackman's

487
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: price out here, because there are because there are so

488
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Speaker 3: many safeties out there, you would think there are a

489
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 3: lot of jobs, but also a lot of these safeties

490
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 3: hit the market because teams decided we don't want to

491
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Speaker 3: pay them at the amount of money that we had

492
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Speaker 3: been paying our safeties.

493
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's certainly one of those positions that's I don't

494
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: want to say undervalued, but it's kind of been a

495
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: hit financially. Maybe not to the degree that running backs have,

496
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,120
Speaker 1: but I do think as it relates to Julian Blackman,

497
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: I think it cools off a little bit because you

498
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: have all of those new names and big names that

499
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: could be available for new contracts with other teams. But also,

500
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: what you're reading and hearing about the draft is that

501
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: the safety position of the draft not all that deep, right,

502
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: which means I think teams might be a little bit

503
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: more urgent to go after some of these safeties and

504
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: fill needs through free agency. And obviously Julian Blackman is

505
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,479
Speaker 1: in a cluster in a big group. But you know,

506
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: you look at the Colts. I mean, Nick cross didn't

507
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: come on until late in the year, Rodney thomas Is

508
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: playing time went down late in the season. I contend,

509
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know how you guys feel about it,

510
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: but I contend that if if Julian Blackman is healthy

511
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: for week eighteen, the Colts win that game. I think

512
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 1: the Colts win that game and limit all those big

513
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: plays from the Texans, like one Nico Collins doesn't go

514
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 1: for seventy five yards in the first play from scrimmage

515
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: for the Texans on offense in that game. I just

516
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: think it kind of boils down to if you're if

517
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: you're the Colts and Chris Ballard and you need you

518
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: decide that you need to make a move at safety

519
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: and free agency, and you got Julian Blackman and some

520
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: of those other guys and you have similar experience, they're

521
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: going to have a similar price tag. To me, it

522
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 1: would be Julian Blackman because of the familiarity and you

523
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: just you have the trust there, you have you invest

524
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: in guys, you've got the trust, and you want guys

525
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: that you're familiar, familiar with that you know you can

526
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: go to go to war with and produce well.

527
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Speaker 2: And I mean you take it from a Chris Ballard standpoint,

528
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we know how high he is on this guy.

529
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: I mean, this is a guy that he took in

530
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, I heard a lot of

531
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: pundits out there when the draft happened that he took

532
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: Julian Blackman way too early because he was coming off

533
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: the injury. You could have gotten him later. But all

534
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: Chris did was he he just talked so highly about

535
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 2: the type of player, the type of person, and you

536
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 2: know when he gets out there, he's going to make

537
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: splash plays. And you know, we saw how quickly he

538
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: came back from you know, his colleague. I mean he

539
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: got hurt. I think it was in the PAC twelve

540
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: championship game and he was on the field very early

541
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: as a rookie. I don't remember it right off the

542
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: top of my head, but I mean he played it.

543
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: Came back so fast from the Achilles as well.

544
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so you know all of that about Julian Blackman,

545
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 2: the inside the helmet and the outside what he does.

546
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: So I would agree with you. And like I said,

547
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: if Julian Blackman is back on this roster next year,

548
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm very very happy about it because I love the

549
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: way that Julian plays. And I think if he doesn't

550
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: have the injury concerned that he's had, I think you

551
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: would you would be putting him up right with some

552
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: of those guys that are you know, Pro Bowl talent,

553
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: because that's what Julian Blackman can be if he stays healthy.

554
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, the football here is the crystal ball,

555
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 1: all right, So the football is the metaphor crystal ball.

556
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: So free agency for the Colts starts Wednesday again, that's

557
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: when the new league year begins. Crystal ball. Jay jam

558
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: will throw this to you, how many guys, how many

559
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: in house free agents come back? And who are they'll?

560
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: I think the guys I feel most strongly about would

561
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: probably be Kenny Moore, Taekwon Lewis. I think Gardner Minshew

562
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 3: comes back. I'll throw those three names out there. That

563
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 3: is not an exhaustive list, but those are three guys

564
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: who I feel relatively strong. But you think about their

565
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 3: fits and and the kind of Colts that they are, right, Like,

566
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 3: Kenny's been here for a really long time. The Colts

567
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: know the value that he brings, especially as a slot

568
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 3: corner that kind of got to play linebacker almost in

569
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: this time kind of a defense. Kenny can do that

570
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: For Taekwon, a guy who's a leader in that defensive line.

571
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: Room, who why would you not? Right?

572
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: He had such a great year last year. We talked

573
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: about that in his free agent preview podcasts like a.

574
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: He really kind of looked under the hood and it

575
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: was like man Taekwon Lewis at a really good year.

576
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: And then for Gardner Minshew, you know, I don't know

577
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 3: if that job materializes for him as a bridge starter.

578
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: Come on back, you know, come spend some more time here,

579
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: help us develop Anthony and if we need you to play,

580
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 3: we know we can win with you. Okay, here's the football, So.

581
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: I crystal Crystal football.

582
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I would agree with all those names except for Gardner Minshew,

583
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 2: and I will flop that with Rigoberto Sanchez. He's a

584
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 2: guy who you probably don't talk much about because of

585
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: the position. He's a punter. But I mean, Rigo has

586
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: been through a lot of ups and downs here, but

587
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: one of the things that he has been throughout has

588
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: been just consistent. And I think you just you put

589
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: him back there for not only what he does as

590
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: a punter, but what he does as a holder. He's

591
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: one of the best holders that is out there. And

592
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: you think about that relationship from Luke Rhodes and what

593
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: you have in Matt Gay, and all they talk about

594
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: is how important Rego is to that machine. And I

595
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: think I think that's going to be the guy. I'd

596
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: love to see Gardner minshew back. I just think that

597
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: he's going to find something somewhere that's going to be

598
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: a little outside the price change of what they're going

599
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: to bring him here. So I'll just switch out what

600
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: what what JJ said with Gardner?

601
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: Can I one? Actually? Can I have one more.

602
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: Crystal ball? The crystal ball called me. Something is gonna

603
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: happen next week. Something's gonna happen next week. That is

604
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 3: completely out of left field.

605
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: There you go. That is going to shock shake up

606
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: the colts here here, Oh, I love.

607
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: It's gonna be. It's gonna be completely out of left field.

608
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: It's gonna happen. You're gonna be like, whoa the tape.

609
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 3: So all right, we'll roll the tape on this one.

610
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: Crystal's gonna happen. It's gonna be just got it. You

611
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: have no idea.

612
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: So if we can do this, all right, good good

613
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: success right there? All right, casey, let's see I also

614
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: wanted to throw the ball. I see I see love

615
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: in your future. Let's see when, Oh, you have pain

616
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: in your eyes? When was the last time that you

617
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: suffered heartache? Wait a minute, hold on, I see a

618
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Oh no, I see a left No just kidding. Uh,

619
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: you guys did not say Grover Stewart. Oh no, Grover Stewart.

620
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: I'm okay, that's a very throw him in there with

621
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: mine very.

622
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know he's a forth adaman.

623
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go. All right, Well we can just

624
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: all touch the ball simultaneously there like little giants. Dude.

625
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I just think when you talk about free agency, it

626
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: just boils down to value and how how easily replaceable

627
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: are you? And that's Grover Stewart. We saw that during

628
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: his six game suspension. What was it? It was four

629
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: point seven yards per carry as opposed to three point

630
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: seven yards per carry with Grover. In that six games,

631
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: the Colts gave up over one hundred and fifty yards

632
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 1: per game on average in terms of the opponent's rushing total.

633
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: I like Grover Stewart. He's a no doubter to come

634
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: back to this team next year.

635
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

636
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: I who wants it?

637
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: I failed on that one, Sure I'll take it just

638
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: to make sure that I can say, yeah, you want

639
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: to have Grover Stewart back here.

640
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Big big Grove. And also I hate to say it too,

641
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: but I think to your point casey Zach Moss is

642
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: it's going to be real tough just based on the

643
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: roster construction, what you've invested in Jonathan Taylor. You have

644
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: some up and comers to back up that position. That's

645
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: that's the cruel reality of this business. Where he does

646
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: everything right, Zack Moss, that is, does everything right, has

647
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: a career year, balls out, has over seven hundred yards.

648
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean the week that Jonathan Taylor came back from injury,

649
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: or I should say off of pup, that was Week five.

650
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Speaker 1: That was the game where where Moscow's nuts as a

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Speaker 1: career high as over one hundred and fifty yards rushing

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Speaker 1: in that win against Tennessee. But it's just I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's here.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes may take it that's a good thing, right to say, Hey,

655
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Speaker 3: you had an opportunity to show you can be a

656
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Speaker 3: starting running back in this league. You're not going to

657
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Speaker 3: be that here because we have Jonathan Taylor. But go

658
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Speaker 3: out earn your money, son, and get what you deserve.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like Bobby o'caraka was, you know last

661
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Speaker 2: year at this time we all kind of talked that

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Speaker 2: you've got Zaire Franklin, who had, you know, a career

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Speaker 2: year a year ago, you had Shaq Leonard at the time,

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Speaker 2: e J. Speed and o'kaake. You knew that number was

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Speaker 2: going to be high because of how well he played,

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Speaker 2: and it was just like, it's just part of the

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Speaker 2: business side of the league. You would love to get

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Speaker 2: all your guys back, yea. But I think Zach Moss

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Speaker 2: will fall into that same kind of mold and and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that Chris Ballard is gonna just be super

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Speaker 2: excited for that, because in a way, Zack Moss's career

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Speaker 2: was kind of up in the air in Buffalo. He was,

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Speaker 2: you know, he'd been taken over. Essentially all the snaps

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Speaker 2: went to Devin Singletary at the time, so it was

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Speaker 2: like the ball they didn't want. Yeah, I mean it

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Speaker 2: was if he ran the football, it was just Josh

677
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Speaker 2: Allen and that's all they were doing. So in some ways,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Zach Moss was able to kind of get

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Speaker 2: a re energized part of his career here at Indy.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's pretty if he does go somewhere else,

681
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Speaker 2: that team is getting a really good player. We all

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Speaker 2: really loved everything about Zack Moss. And sometimes it's just

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Speaker 2: part of the business of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: All right, real quick, before we close out AFC South,

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Speaker 1: which team are you tracking the most? Which one is

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Speaker 1: most interesting? I mean the Titans got a boatload of money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The Texans are looking to add and supple and take

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Speaker 1: their offense to the next level, even more so with c. J. Stroud. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are looking to rebound after that debacled in

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Speaker 1: the season, losing five of six. The division team that

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Speaker 1: is going to help itself the most in free agency,

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Speaker 1: what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the Colts honestly. I mean you you

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Speaker 2: ask who's gonna help them? So I really think this

696
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Speaker 2: Colts team is going to take that next step. But

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Speaker 2: the team I'm really watching is Houston because you know,

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Speaker 2: you go out and you wink and running back, well

699
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Speaker 2: agent running back, and there's there's some guys talk about

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Speaker 2: some running backs. There's some guys there, and there's one

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Speaker 2: guy in particular. I'd really would like to see him

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Speaker 2: leave the AFC South and not just rejoin another team.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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Speaker 1: I heard that today.

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Speaker 3: I heard someone speculated Derrek Henry Wins about the Texans.

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Speaker 2: I'm I mean That's the team I'm going to be following,

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Speaker 2: just because they saw success early with a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 2: in that contract, and be really anxious to see what

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Speaker 2: they do because all of a sudden, you know, you

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Speaker 2: go from last to first, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: now the wheels start really and you look. You talk

712
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: about money, They've got some. They've got some financials down

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Speaker 2: there too that they can spin some cash. So that'll

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Speaker 2: be the team I'm really watching because ultimately I thought

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Speaker 2: last year Tennessee was gonna take a dip. They did.

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Speaker 2: I don't know necessarily that. I think Jacksonville's gonna take

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Speaker 2: a dip, but they're in some financial questions with Trevor

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Speaker 2: Lawrence's impending contract he's gonna get and what that's gonna

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Speaker 2: mean for everybody else. So it's really just the Colts

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Speaker 2: and the Texans I'm kind of watching.

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Speaker 3: I'm watching the Jaguars though, because because of all those reasons,

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Speaker 3: you just kind of you kind of touch down there.

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Speaker 3: What do they do with Calvin Ridley? Yeah, they they

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Speaker 3: had to make a choice between Josh Allen and Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 3: They chose Josh Allen for the franchise. Tag do you

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Speaker 3: let Calvin Ridley. He's going to hit unrestricted free agency.

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Speaker 3: We're taping this on Friday, so if something happens over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, don't blame me. But he's going to hit

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Speaker 3: unrestricted free agency. And we have seen wide receivers when

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Speaker 3: they have hit unrestricted free agency get astronomical numbers, specifically

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Speaker 3: the other guy in the.

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Speaker 2: Jaguars, Christian Kirk.

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Speaker 3: So so the IF and the Jaguars are not a

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Speaker 3: team that has a lot of wiggle room.

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Speaker 2: You can make it.

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Speaker 3: But like you said, Casey, this is the first year

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Speaker 3: that Trevor Lawrence is up for an extension. Do you

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Speaker 3: you got to start budgeting that out now? And how

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Speaker 3: does that impact who you can surround him with? And

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Speaker 3: the Jaguars are a team too, They've already cut some

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Speaker 3: guys they cut, you know, fully fought a cassi. You know,

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Speaker 3: I believe one of the corners Darius Williams, Rayshawn Jenkins,

743
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Speaker 3: who's one of those safeties who's now a free agent.

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Speaker 3: Like they've kind of had to shed some players. They're

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Speaker 3: an interesting team because you still have you have Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: That is a guy you want to build around. But

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Speaker 3: how do you go about doing it with less financial

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Speaker 3: wiggle room than the Colts and the Texans have. The

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Speaker 3: Jaguars also, I mean, they are kind of a cautionary

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Speaker 3: tale right now in terms of free agency spending. Where

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Speaker 3: for fans who want the Colts to get let's throw

752
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 3: all this money in work out. It got the Jaguars

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Speaker 3: division win, a playoff win, and that's been it. That's it,

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Speaker 3: you know, And now they're starting to shed those guys.

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Speaker 3: So it's always a cautionary tail if it, you know,

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Speaker 3: if it doesn't work out.

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Speaker 1: I am not a fan of cautionary tales, although my

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Speaker 1: life is probably a cautionary tale. Just haven't haven't hit

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Speaker 1: it yet. Just wait, wait for that speed bump and

760
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Speaker 1: that barricade to seal things off right there. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Titans got a boatload of money. They got like eighty

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Speaker 1: million dollars of cap space, They got the seventh overall

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Speaker 1: pick coming up. So they're a team that's I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're gonna be better, but they're gonna look

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Speaker 1: a whole lot different with a new head coach and

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Speaker 1: a new regime there. So all of that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be tracking starting this week. We got the legal tampering

768
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Speaker 1: period that'll start Monday at noon Eastern time, and then

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Speaker 1: the free agency frenzy all the finalizations of the legal

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Speaker 1: tampering that starts at four o'clock Eastern time on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: You got Twitter open, you got multiple screens. What are

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Speaker 1: we looking at here? You're gonna be like NASA this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean following free agents Twitter on probably three

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Speaker 2: or four different tabs. You forget that you have them

775
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Speaker 2: pulled up. Oh, I gotta check here, I gotta check here.

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00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: You're looking at this guy's individual page. And then you

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Speaker 2: look back at your computer.

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Speaker 1: Early you got this on Twitter?

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Well, there's that too, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a fun time. I mean, I'm a big

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Speaker 2: March Madness. I love college basketball and all of that

782
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: that goes into it. So for me working in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: it's a great start to March Madness because this is

784
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Speaker 2: the madness and it is about to be here.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 3: A week from now, we're gonna know a lot more

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Speaker 3: what the Colts are gonna look.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one of the biggest weeks of the

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Speaker 1: year in terms of setting up the future. What do

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00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: the Colts look like in twenty twenty four. This week

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00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: is going to have a big say in that. And

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Speaker 1: as free agency, or i should say, as free agents

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Speaker 1: come in in terms of in house guys outside free agents,

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Speaker 1: when they come in to talk, we'll have those interviews

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Speaker 1: for you here on the Colts Audio Network. For JJ Stangowitz,

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00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: Casey Valier, I'm Matt Taylor, Kevin Connor's on the ones

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Speaker 1: and the twos, behind the scenes for all the YouTube folks.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being dialed in here on overtime.

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what we're doing the entire rest of the

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Speaker 1: week as free agency starts, and we are here for

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Speaker 1: you on the Colts Audio Network and on YouTube. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining in, and as things happen in real time,

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Speaker 1: come back here to Colts dot com, the Colts Audio

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Speaker 1: Network and we'll have the latest for you here on

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Speaker 1: the Horseshoe. So long,