1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Cheryl Lynn Halkley was thirty four years old, a fifth 2 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: grade teacher, real popular. The kids loved her, other teachers 3 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: loved her, parents loved her. She was a mother of three. 4 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: But on October the twenty ninth, nineteen ninety three, she 5 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: went missing. Just two days later, on Halloween, she has 6 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: found murdered in her own mini van part less than 7 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: a mile from the school that she taught at where 8 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: she was last seen alive. So it's been thirty two years, y'all. 9 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,959 Speaker 1: But we have got Laura Ingele from the Ingle Edit 10 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: on this case. Laura brought it to me. I had 11 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: never heard about this case, but she's got some compelling 12 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: video and information that she's gotten from law enforcement. So Laura, 13 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: tell us what just gravitated you toward this. 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 2: Case, Hi, Cheryl. I mean, this has been a case 15 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: that has haunted the Sacramento County, Sacramento area for as 16 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: you mentioned, over thirty years, and this takes place in 17 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: Granite Bay. Now, I was born and raised in Sacramento, 18 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: and I can tell you that Granite Bay is this 19 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: area near the main town of Sacramento that is just 20 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 2: it's just where all the fancy people live. I mean, 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: it's just it's always been considered the really nice part 22 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 2: of Sacramento. You've got downtown Sacramento, but you drive out 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 2: to the foothills and you've got fulsome lake and it's 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: just this really beautiful stretch of area that a lot 25 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: of people would move to if they have money. And 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: so this was a really and it was thirty years ago, 27 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: over thirty years ago, so it wasn't as built up 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: as it is now, I mean right now, and I 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: was just there. You drive around and you've got really 30 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 2: nice gated communities, homes that have you know, the mechanical 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: gates and all of that and all of that that 32 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: comes with. But back then it was much more rule, 33 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: but it was still considered a very nice part of town. 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: And when this happened, when Chryln Hackley, this beautiful teacher, 35 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: mother of three, you know, vanished on a Friday after 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: a Halloween party that had happened at the elementary school, 37 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: and everybody remembers, you know, that fifth sixth grade Halloween 38 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 2: energy and Halloween was on a Sunday that year, and 39 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: so Friday was that exciting time where the kids would 40 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: get to trick or treat from classroom to classroom at 41 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: this elementary school, and she was a fifth grade school teacher, 42 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: and she was last seen picking up popcorn. A janitor 43 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: had gone by her her classroom, and the party had 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: died down. All the kids that said goodbye for the weekend. 45 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 2: Everybody was in a good mood. Everybody was excited. Cherylyn 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 2: stayed behind because from according to all reports, she wanted 47 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: to clean up her classroom and kind of take down 48 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: Halloween because come Monday, it was November first, and Halloween 49 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: would be over, and she wanted to have a fresh start. 50 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: And that is the last time anybody saw her alive, 51 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: was in her classroom picking up the Halloween mess and 52 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: picking up some popcorn. 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: Okay, so what I love about the way you work 54 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: a case. It's real similar to myself. You like to 55 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: go there, you like to walk it, understand it, talk 56 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: to everybody that will talk to you. And here's my 57 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: question for that area. Would she have locked her van 58 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: in the school parking lot. 59 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: That's a really good question. I mean, back then, maybe 60 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 2: maybe not, especially now that you say that. I mean, 61 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: let's say that she was packing up Halloween parties. 62 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: Applies. 63 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: They're just Halloween decorations, right, We all know when school teachers, 64 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: elementary school teachers, they loved to decorate their classrooms for 65 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: their kids. And again she was adored. She had twenty 66 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: five students. She was friendly, she was social, and she 67 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: loved music, so she had a lot going on in 68 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: her classroom. And there's old pictures of her in her 69 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 2: classroom and you can see how nicely she had it 70 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: set up. So she might have been making trips. We 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: don't know because there weren't cameras back then, but that's 72 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: a good point. 73 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: Well, I guess what I'm thinking is she was last 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: seen alive inside the school, not even walk into her van, 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: so somebody could have been laying in Wait, that's the 76 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: first thing you've got to think about. Did somebody follow her? 77 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: Did they already know that was her van? Was hers 78 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: the only one unlocked? Like? What was her normal routine? 79 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: And maybe her daughters can answer that. But here's the 80 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: other thing that kind of strikes me. Where her van 81 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: was found, You're talking about less than a mile, Laura. 82 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: This was quick. This wasn't a long drawn out thing. 83 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: She wasn't tortured for days. I think whoever did this 84 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: crime got her. However, they got her either they acted 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: like they needed a ride, they were already in her van, 86 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: or they had some type of weapon and forced her 87 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: to do what they said, But they didn't go far. 88 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking watching your video that you sent to 89 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: me and then looking at the crime scene pictures, there's 90 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: grass that's dead if you look at where her van 91 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: is left. So that's a place that's been traversed a lot. 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 1: People know that area, whether they go there to park 93 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: or smoke weed, or that's a cut through to get 94 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: to the other school that I'm not sure. But the 95 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: aerial photograph that you showed with all the woods around, 96 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: I mean in nineteen ninety three, this was isolated. 97 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 2: It was really isolated. 98 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, as the crow flies just a to 99 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: B be a direct line, how fast could you get 100 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: back to the scope in that area? So it might 101 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: have been a mile driving, but it ain't a mile cut. 102 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: Through right well, and especially if you are say a runner, 103 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: if you you know, if you if you're walking at 104 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: a good clip, it would probably take you about twenty 105 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: minutes if you're running, maybe faster. But you do bring 106 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: up a good point because these these rolling golden hills 107 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: of this area of the foothills of Granite Bay. They're 108 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: not they're not big mountains. I mean, it's it's pretty flat, 109 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 2: but there are you know what, there's a lot of 110 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: oak trees, these big lofty trees, great hiding spot and 111 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: if you see that, and you'll see the pictures that 112 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: are on my on my social media and that you 113 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: will share as well. But the oak trees are such 114 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: great hiding spots because they are so big. And that's 115 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: where her van was found, kind of tucked away. It 116 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: wasn't on the side of the road like right on 117 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: the shoulder. It was tucked away under these oak trees. 118 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: And according to reports, there were people. Remember, so she 119 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: goes missing on Friday evening sometime between five thirty six o'clock, 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: between five thirty and six thirty, maybe even that window there, 121 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: and then she's not found until Sunday on Halloween. And 122 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: according to reports, there were people that noticed the van 123 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: on Saturday that there was apparently some kind of a 124 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: sports team that had traveled by there and joggers had 125 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: seen it, but nobody stopped to go into that off 126 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: the shoulder area to look inside and peer inside the car. 127 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: Why would you write, why would you think to do that. 128 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: But you're right. 129 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: I mean, there's certainly there's certainly a chance that whoever 130 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: did this could have just done that cut through. And 131 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: if there were no structures as there are now their 132 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: homes and gates and all of that. But you make 133 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: a really good point. If somebody knew that area, they 134 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: could have made a bline easy. 135 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: And here's the deal. They used her van. 136 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: The only known crime scene. 137 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only known crime scene. And this does not 138 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: appear to be a two person situation, so it's not 139 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: like another car followed them and then he got in 140 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: that car and took off right. And my understanding from 141 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: you is she was not sexually assaulted. 142 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: Correct, those are the reports as of right now. That 143 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: was you know, everything is being retested now. So the 144 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: Plaster County Sheriffs and what you asked me. You know, 145 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: first of all, I remember the story from nineteen ninety three. 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: I you know, I was doing other work at the time, 147 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: but I circled back to this because the Plaster County 148 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department just created a cold case team two years 149 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: ago and they put out a video that's really really compelling, 150 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: and they interview Sheryl and Hackley's children. They interview the 151 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: original detectives and one of my what the other thing 152 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 2: that really caught me was Anne Marie Schubert is now 153 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: on the cold case team. And that name may sound 154 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: familiar to people listening because she was part of She 155 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: was the DA who prosecuted the Golden State killer. So 156 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 2: Amory Schubert retires, Like, I mean, hero, hero, move here. 157 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: So Amory Schubert retires from Sacramento County. Now she's over 158 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: in Plaster County trying to solve these cold cases, which 159 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: I love. 160 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: Good for you, Anne, Yeah, that's that's that's what you 161 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: should be doing with all the talent and gifts you have. 162 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: I mean, she can help in ways that other people can't. 163 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: So good for you. Love it. So let's talk about 164 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: Sheriff wu now, because he's got one piece of evidence 165 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: that absolutely has my undivided attention, and that's a piece 166 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: of rope. Tell everybody about that rope. 167 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: So they believe that SHERYLN. Hackley was strangled inside of 168 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: her vehicle with a rope, and that rope, surprisingly was 169 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: in the minivan. She was found in the backseat of 170 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 2: her minivan and the rope was there. There were some 171 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: other items, and I asked, I actually when I just 172 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: did my boots on the ground and I went there 173 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago to talk to the communications 174 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 2: manager of the Plaster County Sheriff's Department. We talked about 175 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: They said, well, we're retesting all of the other evidence 176 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: that was there. And I said, well, can you tell 177 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: us what it is? What are we talking about? They 178 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: said they couldn't reveal it, but that basically everything in 179 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: the van, whatever it was, all of it is being 180 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: retested with the new DNA technology that is you know 181 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: now in this world. So they're just they're running it 182 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: all over again. 183 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Well that's what should happen. Her clothing, the rope, whatever 184 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: else was found in there, if there was a beer can, 185 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: no matter what it is, it should all be tested. Yeah, 186 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: all of it. 187 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: And there were fingerprints. We know that there were fingerprints, 188 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: but nothing came up at the time. And you know, 189 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. It's a little unclear if back then 190 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 2: she may have given people rides. You know, it was 191 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 2: a different time in nineteen ninety three. If you could 192 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: give a kid a ride home, Laura. 193 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: That's one of the first notes I have to ask 194 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: the daughters Is she the type of person that would 195 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: give a kid a ride, even a former student that 196 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: can now be seventeen. That was the question that I had. 197 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: Do we have a kid that knew her was troubled, 198 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: dropped out of school? Was he a problem for her? 199 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Because let me tell you something. Let's just be real. 200 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: Anybody that is, as Dateline says, the life of the party, 201 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: everybody loved them. There may be one person that had 202 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: a problem with them, whether it was warranted or not. 203 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: There could be some child that thought she was not 204 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: this sweet, vivacious person that everybody else knew. Maybe she 205 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: gave them a bad grade and they got in trouble 206 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and that started them on this path. I don't know, 207 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: but you can't rule it out because again, some people 208 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: may have a problem with you when you don't even 209 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: know who they are. Correct. 210 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 2: Yes, And she was relatively new to this area. And 211 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: what's interesting just the background on her family situation. She 212 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: was married and divorced. She had three children. At the time. 213 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: Her children were sixteen years old Melissa, fourteen year old Heather, 214 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: and ten year old Ryan. They were living with their 215 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 2: father in Chico. And that's that's a good eighty miles 216 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: away up north, so her family she divorced. She really 217 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: wanted to become a teacher. She got her teaching degree 218 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: up in Chico and then got this great job. 219 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: Again. 220 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 2: This is a primo area. This is a great school district. 221 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: This is where you want to be. Roseville is a 222 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: beautiful community. That's where she had recently bought a house, 223 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: like she was getting this whole new life. She had 224 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: a new boyfriend. And the boyfriend plays into this because 225 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: he was the one that realized that she They were 226 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: supposed to meet up that night, and he was the 227 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: one that went looking for her. And then he actually 228 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: called the ex husband in Chico, according to reports, and 229 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: said there's something going on. I can't find her, and 230 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: so that and then the police report was filed. 231 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: Okay, and he's been cleared. 232 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: According to the Placar County Sheriff's Department, he has been cleared. 233 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: The janitor who saw her picking up the popcorn and 234 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 2: cleaning up has been cleared. The husband who lives in 235 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: Chico has been cleared. And the question is you know 236 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: what happened in that parking lot. She was seen around 237 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: five point thirty cleaning up the popcorn. The janitor makes 238 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: another lap around six, doesn't see her. There was another two. 239 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: Everybody had cleared out. I mean, it's Friday, first of all, 240 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 2: it's Friday. Friday is a Friday at school no matter what, 241 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: and everybody was excited to get to their Halloween party. 242 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: So this was a pretty vacant parking lot when I 243 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: went there. I went to it's now a different type 244 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 2: of school, but the school still stands, and I went 245 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: to the front of the school. I walked around the 246 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: parking lot. I went to the side. We did our 247 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: interview with the Plaster County Sheriff's communications person in the 248 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: pouring rain under an awning. You know, I got a 249 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: really good look at all of the different areas of 250 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 2: this school, and it's a pretty traditional parking lot. There 251 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 2: is now a side parking lot on the side of 252 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 2: the school, but I was told from staff members who 253 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 2: were locking up and leaving for the day with the 254 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: day I was there, that that parking lot could have 255 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: been where she had parked if it was on the side. 256 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: But the Sheriff's department told me that that parking lot 257 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 2: was not there back in nineteen ninety three. That was 258 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 2: an addition, So we have to move that out of 259 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: our It's a perfect view to look like, Oh, it 260 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: looks like this could be something that might have happened. 261 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: But I've got to get the building plans to look 262 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: for hear into that. But it is, you know, when 263 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 2: you look around, there's there's no cameras. But it was 264 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: on a relatively busy street. But back then in nineteen 265 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: ninety three, again not there wasn't the homes that are 266 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: there now. But it is a busy area because people 267 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: are going around to Folsom Lake, which is a very 268 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 2: popular area to hang out November or not. 269 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: So where the van was located. That looks to me 270 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: like somebody that knew the area. Would you agree with that? Yeah? Absolutely? 271 00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: How long did she date the boyfriend? 272 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: That's a great question it had I would guess, well, 273 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to guess, but I know that she 274 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: had recently moved to the area, so I'm not sure exactly, 275 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: And that's a great question. 276 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: And this was her first home that she bought on her. 277 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: Own, that's what it sounds like. 278 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: And how long have the children been with their dad? 279 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: Do we know that? 280 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: It's my understanding that she got her degree. I'm not 281 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 2: sure of the date of the divorce. But her children, 282 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: you know, they all knew that mom really wanted to 283 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: be a teacher. And I think that this was the 284 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: job that came out. It came up, this was the 285 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: job that came up, and this is the job she took. 286 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: And so it sounds like they had a co parent 287 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: and thing down pretty good. He's going to help her, 288 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: she's going to help him. The kids were settled. Everybody's good. 289 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't like she lost custody. I want to be 290 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: clear on the No, Yeah, that's what I thought. So 291 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: I just want to be sure that everybody's understanding what 292 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm understanding. So, Laura, here's the deal. People are normally 293 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: killed for three reasons, right, Normally they're killed for money, 294 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: so they want something of value. Well, the most valuable 295 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: thing she had was her van. They didn't take that, 296 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: or her purse. Her purse was her purse was in 297 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: the van, or any money, right, I mean, nothing was 298 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: taking checks weren't use later on, a credit card wasn't 299 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: use later on. And then of course sex. So nobody 300 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: raped her that we know of that hasn't come out. 301 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Nobody again assaulted her over a period of time, and 302 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: then of course you have revenge. This does not sound 303 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: like a woman in a high risk lifestyle. She's a 304 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: fifth grade teacher, well liked and respected in two situations. 305 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: She's got an ex husband, they're on good terms. She's 306 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: got a boyfriend, they're on good terms. She hasn't been 307 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: there long enough to make anybody too mad, you know, 308 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: parent or otherwise, or neighbor. So this kind of sounds 309 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: like stranger on stranger. And here's the other thing. If 310 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: it were a boyfriend or an ext has been chances 311 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: are this would have been done inside her home because 312 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,479 Speaker 1: she would have let them in. This sounds like either again, 313 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: a student needed to ride, maybe somebody that she recognized 314 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: in some way in a gas station, convenience store, neighborhood, 315 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, or they were laying in wait, And 316 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: I would start with that one. 317 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: The one thing that you know came out at the 318 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 2: time that has been quiet, but now is kind of back. 319 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to I've circulated the picture. But 320 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: there was a person who was spotted going into the 321 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: school that didn't seem to belong. Now the plaster kind 322 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: of Sheriff's Department investigators are not calling this person a 323 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: suspect or even a person of interest. They just want 324 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 2: to speak to this person. And according to the police 325 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: files that have just been gone through, it was one 326 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: person who spotted this man. And there is a really 327 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 2: good suspect description and drawing of this man. And as 328 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: we sit here today, Cheryl, I got the description directly 329 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: from the investigators, and I'll read to you what they 330 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: sent me because it's pretty it gives you a good list. 331 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: Here here's the official description that was shared with the 332 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: media and the public at the time back in nineteen 333 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: ninety three. This man was in his mid thirties. He 334 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 2: was approximately six feet He was husky or muscular build, 335 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: hairy arms and legs, dark brown or dark chocolate brown, 336 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: wavy hair just over the ears, dressed in blue shorts 337 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: and a faded, sweat stained pink tank top. Believed to 338 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: be wearing sandals or possibly barefoot, and was driving an older, 339 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: faded white Volkswagen Bug that was parked near the entrance 340 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: to the Eureka Elementary School. 341 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: And law enforcement doesn't have that vehicle in any other Crown. 342 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: Not that I am aware of, not that they have 343 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: shared with me. They this was this was a person 344 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: who was spotted near the school around the time. We 345 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: don't know who spotted this person, and I have been 346 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: told this is you know, we're not calling this person 347 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: a suspect. It's not a person of interest. It's just 348 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 2: maybe maybe this person, well you want to talk to him, 349 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: of course, because maybe he saw something. Right. Well, here's 350 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: the thing. Is this picture, this sketch was circulated widely 351 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: back then. So is this somebody that never watched the news? 352 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 2: Is it somebody who was a drifter? Is it somebody 353 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: you know, because you'll see the picture when you go 354 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 2: to our socials and you check it out. It's it's 355 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: very distinctive. 356 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: And I will share it too, because here's the thing. 357 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: If somebody took notice that, hey, it's way after school. 358 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: I mean it's hours after the kids are out, and 359 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: it's Halloween, so parents on Halloween weekend are usually a 360 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: little heightened anyway, And he doesn't have a child with him, 361 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: and he's barefoot walking into a school. So again, now 362 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: my question becomes from the front door. If you walked 363 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: in the front door versus a side door, where's her classroom? 364 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: Could they have intersected? Could he have said, hey, I'm 365 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: looking for so and so and she goes, hey, let 366 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: me walk you here or let me see and then 367 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: he brandishes a knife and say where's your car, you know, 368 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: get in it or whatever. I don't know. There's a 369 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: million things that could happen, but your mind starts to 370 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: try to put these pieces together. Not in a fabulous portrait. 371 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we have to play worst case scenario because 372 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: the reality is somebody murdered her in her own car 373 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: and somebody could have easily gotten back to another vehicle 374 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: or a home. 375 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean it's one of these cases. Like I said, 376 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: when I was there at the school and I was 377 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 2: I was in the front of the school. I was 378 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 2: filming through the bars the front gate, and of course, 379 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,479 Speaker 2: you know, I got busted. Somebody came out and they 380 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: said what are you doing and I said, I'm just here. 381 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: You know, it was after hours, there were no children there, 382 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: and I said, I'm a reporter and I'm investigating this. 383 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: And they said, yeah, every once in a while we 384 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: get people that a film crew that shows up. You know, 385 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: it depends on an anniversary. But they were talking about 386 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: it and they it still has spooked to these people 387 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: that work there. They didn't want to go on camera 388 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: and apparently there is a plaque in the back of 389 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 2: the school that has her name on it that remembers her. 390 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: And he said, you know, we do know about it 391 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 2: here at the school, and everybody is still trying to 392 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: piece it together. You know, who who could have done 393 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: something so horrific? Who knows something? And if somebody, you know, 394 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: they they are putting out this information now hoping that 395 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: somebody will come forward, and obviously hoping that DNA will 396 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 2: will solve this thing, and the rerunning of all of 397 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: it with the depart and of Justice, will we'll come 398 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: up with something. We'll come up with some type of 399 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: a hit that will give us more information to report. 400 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: But maybe somebody was afraid to come forward. Back then, 401 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: maybe this man who was spotted at the school saw something. 402 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: Maybe he'll see his picture out there and think, oh 403 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: my gosh, you know I should come forward, Or maybe 404 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: somebody recognizes the sketch and knows who it is. That's 405 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: what we're hoping for is just keep telling the story, 406 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 2: keep getting boots on the ground and going back there 407 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: and saying, does this any of this look familiar to 408 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: you now? Is it something that's been gnawing at you 409 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: or something that you just didn't think was important back then, 410 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 2: it's important. 411 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: And maybe somebody wives recognize the picture. Have they thought 412 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: about exooming her at all to make sure they collected 413 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: everything off of her? 414 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: Not that I have been told or I'm aware of, 415 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 2: but we can certainly look into that. 416 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: Well, you've done a great job, and y'all, we are 417 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: going to share the composite. We're going to share Laura's 418 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: videos and you need to check out the angle edit 419 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: because it again, she's got a ton of vital information 420 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: and it's visual. I'm a visual person. Laura drives the 421 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: route and even though it's built up and these homes 422 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 1: are beautiful, the landscape and is flawless, you still get 423 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: a sense of just how quick somebody could get there. 424 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: But again, for me, it's how he left there. And 425 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: to me, as the crow flies is going to be 426 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: critical because I think he got back pretty quick. 427 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 2: We've just got to get this information out there and 428 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: help this family. These you know, you can hear it 429 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: in their voices. They were interviewed by the Plaster County 430 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department for this video to remind everybody that this 431 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: case is unsolved and bravo to the Plaster County Sheriff's 432 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: Department that has created this cold case unit and all 433 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 2: the people and there are not only the current detectives. 434 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: And I always love this. And when I hear that 435 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: the former detectives who worked a case years and decades 436 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: ago are helping out. Yes, maam and asked, fam, I 437 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: love to hear that, and I want to hear that 438 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: so that we know that everybody who has had eyes 439 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: on this from the beginning gets at the same table 440 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: and talks about it, shares the information, goes down the road. 441 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 2: Who knows what comes of it. But this is a 442 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: this is a cold kick. Yeah, this is a cold 443 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: case that needs the attention. 444 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 1: But here's the reality. There are things those detectives know 445 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: that didn't make it in the file. So everybody get 446 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: in the same room. The original detective can say, hey, 447 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: we always thought this guy, but we had no proof, 448 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: so they didn't write it down. But I know you 449 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: and I talk about this all the time. Nine times 450 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: out of ten, the name's in the report. So they 451 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: need to go back ground zero and work it. Just 452 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: because somebody else cleared them, clear them again, that's right. 453 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: I mean when I was talking to the team that's 454 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: doing this and also the people that have been reporting 455 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 2: on this as well, talking about the documentation. This is 456 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: better than anyone that keeps everything all those old interviews 457 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety three, the crime being photos, the transcripts, 458 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,239 Speaker 2: the witness interviews, anything that you can think of that 459 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 2: goes into every report, every all of it that goes 460 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: into this file that goes through that they're going through 461 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: again now and they've been going through it now. We're 462 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 2: waiting for DNA, but we just hope that there's something 463 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: in there. And maybe there was something in there all along. 464 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: I keep thinking about Rex Huerman and you know, the 465 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 2: trooper that found the Chevy Avalanche, and maybe there's something 466 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: like that in the file that will come forward. 467 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: Do you know if the rope was cut, like, was 468 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: it you know, strangle ready? Yeah? 469 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: I am unclear of that at this point, and that 470 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 2: information has not been released. They've only called it a rope. 471 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: Okay, that's good enough. That's good enough for me. Hold 472 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: it close to the vest I get it right. 473 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, in the DNA technology. And I keep thinking 474 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: too about going back to the Suffolk County Crime Lab. 475 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: Years before a couple of years before Rex Chuerman was 476 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: arrested and I was shown the Suffolk County Crime Lab 477 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: and I always remember the MVAC machine and talking about 478 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: how they can extract and they actually had a piece 479 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: of physical piece of rope next to that, and how 480 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 2: you know it's so porous and it can hold so 481 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: much and you've talked about it with BTT. I mean, 482 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: rope is so important and it can hold so much information. 483 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: And everybody does the same thing with rope. They pull 484 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: it straight, they pull it straight, and every time you 485 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: do that, you're leaving more skin self, you know. And 486 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: most people even wrap it and then start to strangle. 487 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 1: So that's even better. And here's the thing. You know, 488 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: Laura again, you've done an incredible job. We're going to 489 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: share everything, and I'll even give the tip line, y'all. 490 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: The tip line is five three zero eight eight nine 491 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: seven eight three zero. If you know anything, if somebody 492 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: has said something and you thought, oh he's just talking, 493 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: he's crazy, he's drunk. Maybe maybe not any information no 494 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: matter how small, could break this thing wide open. And 495 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: in the meantime, wait on DNA. I say, we listened 496 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: to the nine one one call. Do a statement analysis 497 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: on it do a geographical profile. There's things we can 498 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: do while we're. 499 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 2: Waiting, and the other thing I wanted to bring up 500 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: when I went to the school. I went to the 501 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: school twice on the recent trip that I had in California. 502 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: I went when I first got there. I went and 503 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: it was pouring rain and alas so Vir is the 504 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 2: communications director, and God bless her. She stood with me 505 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: in the rain under the awning of the administration building 506 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: that's right next door, and we talked and we looked 507 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 2: at the parking lot together. And then I went back 508 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 2: again a second time, and after I got done filming 509 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 2: and showing a little bit closer up by the gate 510 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: because I didn't want to show any school children when 511 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 2: I was there the first time, And I went when 512 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 2: I knew everybody was gone. And I came back to 513 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: my friends house where I was staying, and we talked 514 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 2: about the case, and her family happened to be over 515 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: and they said, oh, we remember this case, like people 516 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: were really really shook by this. I mean, and talk 517 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: about and talk about the children who came back from 518 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 2: Halloween weekend, her chi children and her well her children of. 519 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: Course, no, I meant her students. That's her children, I meant, 520 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: her classroom. Yeah. 521 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: Can you imagine they had to have grief counselors the 522 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: whole schlashook. I mean, these these little kids that you 523 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: know your teacher is dead. 524 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in a horrible way, not a car wreck, 525 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, and you're thinking about they're ten years old, 526 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: and you know, you get close to a teacher pretty quick, 527 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, that's a that's 528 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: a tough age to not be able to even comprehend 529 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: what's happened. But you know your parents are scared, your 530 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: neighbors are scared. Other teachers are scared. That would be horrible, horrible. 531 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: It was somebody who did this to Chryln Hockley, who 532 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: is still out there today. We have to just keep 533 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: sharing the story. We have to keep sharing anything that 534 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 2: we get. Somebody out there must know something. 535 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: Well. Laura Engel, thank you so much, and we're only 536 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: it now, honey. 537 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much for having me and 538 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: sharing this story. I always appreciate you. 539 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: Y'all. Won't get an end Zone seven the way that 540 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: I always do with a quote. It's not about being 541 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: in the wrong place and the wrong time as a woman. 542 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: You're just coming home from work, going out, living your life, 543 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: and every moment can be your last. Professor Mary mccaulty, 544 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: violence against Women expert. I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is 545 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Zone seven.