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Speaker 3: Were here for another edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: New York Football Giants on the Field, Day three of

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Speaker 3: practice here at the Senior Bowl and Mobile Alabama, joined

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Speaker 3: by front of the Program from ESPN and one of

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Speaker 3: their fantastic draft analysts.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Reed. Jordan, how's your week been so far?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 5: It's been good.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is like Christmas for his draft analysts,

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Speaker 2: being around the players on the field.

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Speaker 5: The Senior Bowl is one of my favorite events of the.

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Speaker 1: Year, especially when you get sixty degrees in sunny every

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Speaker 1: day too.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, it has been the best I've been

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Speaker 2: down here. This is my fourth year now and this

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Speaker 2: is the best weather we've ever had.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely one hundred percent. We just got done with the

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Speaker 3: first practice on Thursday. Let's talk national team first. Who

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Speaker 3: are some of the guys over the course of this week,

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Speaker 3: or maybe we'll start the best position group you think

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Speaker 2: I think the offensive line has played really well to

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Speaker 2: Leis Viauaga of Oregon State offensive tackle. I think he's

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Speaker 2: been one of the most consistent players of the bunch here.

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Speaker 2: Jackson Powers Johnson, the center from Oregon, I think he's

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Speaker 2: been one of the biggest standouts of the event, not

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Speaker 5: I think he's been one of the best players.

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Speaker 3: And I think Kingsley Swamatas had some good reps two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done a good job and he's played some

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Speaker 2: guard and tackle, which is what a lot of people

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Speaker 2: wanted to see.

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Speaker 5: That was a big question mark about him.

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Speaker 2: Did he have the athleticism to hold up at tackle,

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Speaker 2: But he's shown that he belongs at tackle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right side, left side too, He's been a left

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Speaker 3: tackle at right tackle too. Your thoughts on Roger Rosing Garden,

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Speaker 3: whom we're looking at it right now out there on

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Speaker 3: the field, He's he's done a little left, he played

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Speaker 3: college football playoff experience, but I think he's had a

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Speaker 2: And you know that's the great thing about coming out

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Speaker 2: play well against Michigan. But I thought he's came out here,

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Speaker 2: he's competed his tailoff. He's really stood out in the

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Speaker 2: one on ones. The first two days of practice. He's

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Speaker 2: competed his butt off. He's shown some flexibility to play

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Speaker 2: right in left tackle, even played some guard from what

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Speaker 2: I saw some one on ones the other day too.

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Speaker 2: So it was big for him just because once again

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Speaker 2: we have that lasting image of him playing against Michigan

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Speaker 2: he came out kind of reshaped that image, and I

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Speaker 3: Who are some of the pass rushers that you thought

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Speaker 3: gave this national group of offensive linemen like you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: I think they've been great.

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Speaker 1: The most trouble in some of those one on ones.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean Leatu Latsu. He was the one that

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Speaker 2: everybody wanted to see DC Man. Unfortunately he wasn't able

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Speaker 2: one that stood out, But an underrated one that had

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, but he's done a really good job.

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Speaker 3: How about Haull, the defensive tackle from Ohio State, because

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Speaker 3: he's a little undersized, but in terms of like explosion

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's one of the most explosiveness and

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Speaker 2: But you're talking about the hand power that it has,

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Speaker 5: He's been able to show it all and you hit

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Speaker 2: As far as he's a little bit undersized, but if

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Speaker 5: I definitely feel as if he could be one of

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Speaker 1: And there will be another guy on the American team

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Speaker 3: We'll talk too in Branden Fisk from Florida State want

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Speaker 5: He's a blur.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's very very consistent as far as if

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Speaker 2: is just the hand consistency, and we've seen it throughout

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Speaker 2: But you have to remember he bounced around a little bit.

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Speaker 2: The Miami game was great. He had three touchdowns and

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Speaker 3: Good size, almost six to two also, so he can

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean he put on the show out

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Speaker 2: Michigan's offense is very run heavy, so he's now out

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Speaker 5: But that's the great thing about the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 2: You get to see guys outside of the scheme that

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Speaker 6: You loved turf, You're good at it, so you start

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Speaker 6: a turf Fizz business grows, your savings grow, become the

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Speaker 3: What do you think of Malachi Corley? You know, I

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Speaker 3: up close, He's built like every running back I've seen

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Speaker 1: He looks like a running back.

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Speaker 3: I know he was very anxious when I talked to

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Speaker 1: Do you think he showed enough in that.

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Speaker 3: Regard to maybe give evaluators more confidence he's more than

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: I wish they had a penny for every time a

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Speaker 2: scout compared him to Deebo Samuel. I'd be a very

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Speaker 2: Just because at Western Kentucky they really didn't allow him

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Speaker 2: So why would I force him to do some other

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Speaker 3: And then pearsall from Florida. He's someone Jordan I wasn't

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Speaker 1: Boy, that dude gets open.

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Speaker 2: He does that's all he does. I mean, it's the

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Speaker 2: same thing that he did at Florida last year. Transferred

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Speaker 5: The route running ability. I think he's a natural route

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Speaker 5: Good that we didn't.

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Speaker 3: It was Jordan Morgan out of Arizona. Now, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: I talked to him to He was like, I can't believe.

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Speaker 3: lot of people say, oh, well, he's gonna play guard. Well,

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Speaker 3: talking to him, he's like, no, no, no, no, I'm

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Speaker 5: He's been good.

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Speaker 2: I have him as a tackle, and I always feel

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Speaker 2: So he's very battle tested and I think he has

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Speaker 3: All right, let's jump one more guy here on the

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Speaker 1: I did not see him out here today.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing he's one of the guys that that kind

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Speaker 3: of went home as he I think cemented himself as

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Speaker 3: Two offensive tackles on the Touch with You on Tyler Gotton,

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Speaker 1: Think he's quick man, He's very quick.

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Speaker 2: He had a really good run today in the red

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