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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Everybody. Hey, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: I'm Diana and I'm Eli. Thanks for joining us again.

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Speaker 1: We're here with part two of Empress Alagaboless story and

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Speaker 1: her thirsty hunt for Rome's biggest dicks, slaughtering anyone who

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Speaker 1: any reason at all. Yeah, that's kind of her thing,

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Speaker 1: her whole m O. She loved it. But how are

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Speaker 1: you What's happened in the last two days? Anything good?

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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of work. Of course, it was

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Speaker 1: cool to to have our first two parter. People seem

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Speaker 1: to be excited for this next part, so that's cool.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited. We went and saw In the Heights.

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Speaker 1: We did see In the Heights. That was really fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: go see In the Heights. Really one of the top

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Speaker 1: movie musicals. Definitely very well, I mean just very creatively

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Speaker 1: filmed and beautiful to watch. So if you're asking me,

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Speaker 1: I would say that I can tell that he wrote

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Speaker 1: it before Hamilton's because I think Hamilton's is a better

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Speaker 1: musical overall. And I mean that in terms of I

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Speaker 1: think the songs have the plot a little bit more

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Speaker 1: and the character arcs are a little stronger some of

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Speaker 1: the some of the character arcs in the Heights are great,

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Speaker 1: but like we talked about, the main romance kind of

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Speaker 1: lacked a little motivation at first, like it was mostly conflict. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's still really really good. I loved it and the

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Speaker 1: really the way that it's shot and directed is above

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Speaker 1: and beyond. I just thought it was gorgeous. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: really fun for sure, very cool creative scenes. The dance

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Speaker 1: scenes were a lot of fun. Yeah, totally. I thought

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Speaker 1: some of the songs were kind of boring. It's a

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Speaker 1: hot tag. I'm gonna get some musical theater games, so sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm not great at me liking musicals in the first place,

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Speaker 1: so I have to I have to listen to it again.

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Speaker 1: But some of the songs I were like, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I forgot that immediately. Y'all may find that I have

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Speaker 1: a much stronger musical theater background than Diana does. I

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Speaker 1: grew up with it, um Diana did not, and that

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Speaker 1: I think that really alters your perspective and what you're

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Speaker 1: willing to appreciate and to tolerate. I mean, there are

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Speaker 1: some my love you know what I mean, and definitely.

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Speaker 1: Like we watched Into the Woods the other day too.

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Speaker 1: That was really fun. I liked it a lot better

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Speaker 1: than I thought I would. And I liked that movie

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Speaker 1: better than the play. Oh well, there you go. But

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Speaker 1: and then of course we're watching Loki. Okay, God, I'm

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Speaker 1: just we're also big m c U fans here, and oh,

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Speaker 1: don't get me started, but you did so the I

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Speaker 1: think can when I talk about I tweeted about this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I always saw about Owen Wilson

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Speaker 1: and Loki is killing it. I mean, it's just above

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Speaker 1: I've heard Owen Wilson isn't a big comic books fan,

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Speaker 1: so he was already like a hard get. So I

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Speaker 1: think you can tell that this is a character they

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Speaker 1: will you play it? And he said, yes, I'm going

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Speaker 1: And he's awesome. I mean, in addition to them being

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Speaker 1: I think he's just real showing a lot of range.

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Speaker 1: I think the ways that he is interacting with different characters,

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Speaker 1: it's awesome. I just that that episode it really stood

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Speaker 1: These are six to eight hour movies. Yeah, they don't.

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Speaker 1: think even other shows, even like Madmen or Lost or something,

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Speaker 1: I think the same is true for Loki. I think

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Speaker 1: these shows are very much, you know, long movies broken

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Speaker 1: into weekly chunks. But we could spend an hour speaking

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Speaker 1: of gender fluid, powerful godlike figures. We've got the second

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Speaker 1: part of Ella Gables. Yeah, you know what, We've wasted

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Speaker 1: enough time here, so let's dive right in. Hey, their

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Speaker 1: friends come listen, well, Elia and Diana got some stories

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Speaker 1: to tell. There's no match making, all romantic tips. It's

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Speaker 1: just about ridiculous relationships. A love. It might be any

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Speaker 1: concrete wall. But if there's a story where the second clans,

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Speaker 1: we'll put it in a show Ridiculous Romans, a production

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Speaker 1: of iHeart Radio. Previously on Ridiculous Romance. Listen up, soldiers,

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Speaker 1: it's Julia Mason. I'm gonna pay you to support Ella Gables.

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Speaker 1: Oh you know what, Ella Gobulus, I'm gonna need a

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Speaker 1: minute before I decide whether I support you or not

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Speaker 1: at times out Hey, I heard Ella Gables has opened

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Speaker 1: up the baths to the public. Yeah, but you can't

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Speaker 1: get in without an eight injure, Ella Gabulus, I'm so

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Speaker 1: upset that you murdered my husband to marry me. Well,

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Speaker 1: heard him no more? You will Ella Gabalus ever find

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Speaker 1: true love? Will anything stop her casual cruelty and rampant murder?

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Speaker 1: Will she ever find the biggest dick in Rome? To

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Speaker 1: find out? Now on Ridiculous romance, so aquilias several kind

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Speaker 1: of falls off the historical record at this point. We

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Speaker 1: because it seems that Ella Goblis shifted her focus to

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Speaker 1: of herculean hamm. Now who will win this epic battle,

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Speaker 1: this civil slave or these three starving lions, Well, I

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Speaker 1: fair fight. Man. Like many of our other characters, very

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Speaker 1: little is known about Hierracles except that he was at

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Speaker 1: And Ela Goblis was obsessed with Hierocles, and Dio writes

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Speaker 1: And this guy, Aurelius Zodicus was chilling in Smyrna, not

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Speaker 1: the one that we know the ancient Roman Georgia. But

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Speaker 1: and according to Cassius Dio, he had a huge dick.

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Speaker 1: Her little bird scout word back to her. Before you

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Speaker 1: of weird. We're about to learn about Alexander. So Julia

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00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:55,479
Speaker 1: Masa our boss, grandma, grandma, boss bitch. She was seeing

424
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 1: that Ella Goblis was becoming unpopular, and like we said,

425
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: she had already started to fight against some of these

426
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: things and try to push Ella Abolis into a more

427
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: popular direction. I guess so Amias was like, all these haters, whatever,

428
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm standing by Ella Abilis no matter what. But may

429
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: says a bit of the longer thinker, I think, and

430
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: she was seeing nothing but trouble coming ahead. The Praetorian

431
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: Guard was particularly disgusted with Ella Gabolus, and as we've seen,

432
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: their support is crucial. Ella Goblis had actually threatened Masa's

433
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: life when she pushed back against her naming Hiraicles the

434
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: new Caesar, but Julie Masa cooled her off and stayed alive, obviously.

435
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: And Julia Masa had another grandson by another daughter, another Julia,

436
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: named Julia Avita ma Maia, and his name was Severs Alexander,

437
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: and he's about fourteen. They love a fourteen year old.

438
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: We just love to give a fourteen year old impression.

439
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 1: It's great, great time to manipulate someone. So anyway, he's

440
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: four years younger than Ella gab Lists. And somehow Julia

441
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: Mason convinced Ela Abilis to adopt Alexander. Yeah, basically, Alexander

442
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: shows up in Rome and Ela Gobulis brought him before

443
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: the Senate and she has the Julia's standing on either

444
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: side of her, and she declares to the Senate that

445
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: she quote had no need of any other child to

446
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: keep her house from despondency. She said that God eligabal

447
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: had told her to adopt him, so she kind of

448
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: like made it her decision, you know, like instead of

449
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: I wasn't told to do this, My grandma didn't tell me,

450
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: God told me. I think that she herself was kind

451
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: of like getting a little overwhelmed and might not have

452
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 1: minded sort of splitting the rule a little bit. Well, Plus,

453
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: she's in love with Hierachles and she knows they're not

454
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: going to have children together, so maybe she was like, yeah, okay,

455
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: I should adopt I know I need some succession kind

456
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: of happening, and yeah, I don't know if she's sucking

457
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: the vestal virgin still or not. But you know now

458
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: the Senate praised her for this. They were like, yes, yes,

459
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: so adopt Alexander. We think that's a great idea. They

460
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: are clearly already thinking this is might lead to something

461
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: better than the situation they're in. And in Castius d o,

462
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: Ela Goblis said, quote, yes, you love me, and so

463
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: by Jupiter does the populace, and also the legions abroad.

464
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: But I do not please the praetorians, to whom I

465
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 1: keep giving so much. That's true, she could not keep

466
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: those praetorians happy. I don't know that she was popular

467
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: amongst the populace. It might have been a bit of

468
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: an exaggeration, you know. I think that she had a

469
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: different idea of what was going on than anybody else

470
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 1: at any given time. Well that's an emperor's life right there.

471
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 1: You live in a tunnel, for sure. So everyone's on board.

472
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: Alexander was appointed as her heir, and he's given the

473
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 1: title of Caesar. Together they were named Console Designatus for

474
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: the following year to two, and Alexander and Ella Goblis

475
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: got along great for a while. And if she hadn

476
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: tinue to love Alexander. She may have survived and you

477
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: would know anything about her. But unfortunately we've also seen

478
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: she was prone to suspicion, and she learned that men's

479
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: favor was turning to the young boy, especially the Praetorian Guard.

480
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: So Elagabilis started scheming. Not for nothing, She's got Julia blood.

481
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: She's a Julia in there somewhere, and do says that

482
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: when someone said how fortunate she was to be in

483
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: console together with her son, she replied, quote, I shall

484
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: be more fortunate next year, for then I'm going to

485
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: be in console with a real son, which is like

486
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: real wishful thinking, unless you know somebody is pregnant already.

487
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it takes almost a year to

488
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: have one, right, well, and then what you're going to

489
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: be a consoled with a baby whatever. At any rate,

490
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: she was losing all any excitement about Alexander being around.

491
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: She even went to the Senate and tried to get

492
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: them to approve stripping Alexander of his shared title, and

493
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: of course the Senate was like no, no, oh, no,

494
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: we're good with this the way things are, So she

495
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: tried to have him assassinated instead. Classic move. The first

496
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 1: one failed because Alexander was heavily guarded by guess who,

497
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: Julio Masa. Julia was in the right place at the

498
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: right time, She made sure of it. The soldiers and

499
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: the Pratorians guarding Alexander flipped their ship when they stopped

500
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: the assassination attempt. They knew what was going on. They

501
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: were so pissed because everybody did like Alexander better, and

502
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: they demanded Ella Goblis come down to the soldiers camp

503
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: with Alexander. They were like, get down here, we're gonna

504
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: talk this out. We're gonna work it out. And Ella

505
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Goblis gets there and she supplicates and just gets down

506
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: on her knees and begs the soldiers, and they demanded

507
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: that she give up all of her second partners. Basically,

508
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: they're like, you've you've got this lady, You've got that guy.

509
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: You've got these people over here, those people are there.

510
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: Give him over. You got to give him up. This

511
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: is We're done with this. What for Hierocles. She pleaded

512
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: and pleaded to allow him to stay with her. It's

513
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: written in cassieus d O. She quote pointed to her

514
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: own throat and cried grant me this one man, whatever

515
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: you may have been pleased to suspect about him or else,

516
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: slay me. And they allowed it. They said, okay, all right, fine, yeah,

517
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: you and Hierocles you can go leave together. And everything

518
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: kind of cooled off for a second, which I'll just

519
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: say that is romantic. She she had a bunch of

520
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: partners they could take, and the one that she was

521
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: willing to save was Hierocles. I think there's a lot

522
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: of evidence here that they really did have a strong

523
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: romantic relationship. Whether it was healthy or not. Well, I'm

524
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: not for us to say, yeah, you're true, but but

525
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: I do think there was some real affection. Yeah. But unfortunately,

526
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: this cooling period did not last. She could not stand

527
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: sharing power with alexand under and this time she just

528
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: started spreading rumors that Alexander was dying, hoping that people

529
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, well he's about to die, so

530
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: I guess I'll be loyal to you again or whatever.

531
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: But instead it started a riot and the praetorian demanded

532
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: she come down to the soldiers camp again because they're

533
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: just like, girl, what are you doing? You are such

534
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: a messy bit. But she showed up and saw that

535
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: so Amias and Julia mama Alexander's mom, were like at

536
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: each other's throats. They're fighting, they're hyping up the guards.

537
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: It's looking like a real serious situation, and she realizes

538
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: that it's going to be her execution. That's what their

539
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 1: plan is. This is no apologies, this is we're not

540
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: talking about this time. We're done. Yeah, it does get

541
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: pretty grim after this. If you're not into graphic violence,

542
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: you might want to skip ahead for a minute. Yeah,

543
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: just like one minute. She fled. She tried to escape

544
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: by hiding in a chest, but they found her. So

545
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: Amias her mother grabbed and clung to her and the

546
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: pratory and executed both of them. Their heads were cut off,

547
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: they were stripped naked, and both their bodies were dragged

548
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: through the city. So amy As his body was cast

549
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: aside and some unknown place, and elagabulis Is was weighed

550
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: down and thrown into the Tiber River. She was only

551
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: eighteen years old. That's dark. It's so weird. How back

552
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: in the day it was like, not only do I

553
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: want you dead, but I want to really funk with

554
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: your body afterward, you know, twisted. But I guess if

555
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: you believe that you're you enter the afterlife the way

556
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: you died, you know what I mean that it's like

557
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: a way to kind of ruin your afterlife too. And

558
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: there's this element of it too about I don't know

559
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: that the public reaction to it. I mean, this was like, Okay,

560
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: she's dead and that that's kind of it. But then

561
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: you're you've still got this hyped up mob, so you're

562
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: giving them more to just continue to cheer about and

563
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: and get amped about and not just like this like

564
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: she's dead, all right, everybody go home, Like it turns

565
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: into this ritual of cruelty and vengeance, uh, kind of

566
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 1: letting everybody get it all out their systems to some degree,

567
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: to kind of put it coldly. But that's kind of

568
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: what people wanted. I mean, they didn't want just she's dead.

569
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: We hated her so much. We want to funk up

570
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: her body, like whatever was left. We want to just

571
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: destroy that, that reputation and that image. We want this

572
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: like really non metaphorical uh, destruction of everything she was.

573
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just her body, but also everyone she

574
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: ever cared about and loved. Many of her associates they

575
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: were also killed, including poor Hiericles, her religious edicts were reversed,

576
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: the stone of Eligiball was sent back to Syria. Women

577
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: were again barred from the Senate, although Julia Masa retained

578
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: her title, and there was a rarely used practice called

579
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: Damnatio memorial, which erased a person's history from the public record,

580
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: and they enacted that right quick. Yeah, I mean, this

581
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: was This is as harsh a punishment as you can give, almost.

582
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, they they scrubbed her from the record, and

583
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: this is why we have so little information about her today. Uh.

584
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: You know, Cassius Dio was writing books about all kinds

585
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: of goings on at the time. He had stories that

586
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: he transcribed, and there's a couple of other works too.

587
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: But but in terms of official records, totally scrubbed take

588
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: her out. And the same of so Amias. They actually

589
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: had her declared a public enemy for siding with Elagabolos. Meanwhile,

590
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: Julia Masa, she knew what she was doing. She took

591
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: Alexander's side and she continued to influence his rule alongside

592
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: uh his mother Julia Mammia. She died sometime in the

593
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: following like two to five years, but she was deified

594
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: and she appears on some coins, especially from like the

595
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: Syrian area where she's riding on the back of a peacock. Again,

596
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: not too much information about her, but a lot more

597
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: than the rest of the family. And I remember old Commason.

598
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: He actually survived this and he managed to keep his

599
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: city prefect job, which was pretty crazy. That guy knew

600
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: how to win. Yeah, the real little finger of this

601
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: game of Rome. Yeah. Now, Alexander continued to rule until

602
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: two thirty five, when he and his mother were also

603
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: assassinated by disgruntled guards. So it's just history just repeating

604
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: itself over and over again again. Roman Emperor hard Pass

605
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: not taking that job. Yeah, these guards stay mad like

606
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: they're not never they're always mad. Kind of reason to

607
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: be piste off. They have a ship gig, so I

608
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: guess I would be there. And this is what's their recourse.

609
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like they can to go out

610
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: and vote every four years because they're pissed off. My

611
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: vot voting is really they should really be leaning into

612
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: this voting thing. There are other ways. All right, let's

613
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come back and

614
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: finish up a conversation about Ala Goblis and we're back.

615
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: It is stated over and over and over again in

616
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: the modern research and analysis of Ella Goblis that we

617
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: can't really say that she was someone that would have

618
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: fit well into the contemporary understanding of gender theory or feminism.

619
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: She was fully a product of her time, right, and

620
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: it's been almost two thousand years since she was alive,

621
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 1: so obviously she herself didn't have the background of modern

622
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: trans discourse to apply to her identity. But as you

623
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: heard the story, she also consistently asked to be referred

624
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 1: to as a woman, as a lady, as an empress,

625
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 1: as a wife. Her records were purged from official Roman

626
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: records after her death. Like we said, and Anna Burns

627
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,879
Speaker 1: in Spectrum South Rights that quote, Row and historians had

628
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: a fundamentally different view of what history is. They viewed

629
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: history as records of the state, not personal lives, and

630
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: as propaganda. Right so in theory given how a documentation

631
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: would sometimes attack an individual's sexual identity as a means

632
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: of destroying or harming their character. For example, there were

633
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: attacks on Julius Caesar claiming that he enjoyed gay sex

634
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: and that he was submissive, or they basically called Julius

635
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: Caesar a bottom in an attempt to disrupt his character

636
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,479
Speaker 1: the modern age because the modern age of the current age,

637
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: because ancient Rome was like especially Western ancient Rome, was

638
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: hyper masculine, So we could suggest that Ella Goblis's entire

639
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: gender variants could be fabricated or at least exaggerated by

640
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: historians from that era. And also making Queer history dot

641
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: Com suggests that Roman xenophobia and racism at the time

642
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: might also have attributed her femininity to Syrian stereotypes. I'm

643
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: and again, femininity was among the highest insults to these

644
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: guys because they sucked in many ways. But they the

645
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: real Facebook group going on here, Yeah, but they did

646
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: have this, Yeah, that's sort of um prejudice against Eastern Romans,

647
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: that they were more effeminate and fancy, and that this

648
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: was something that was very negative to them. So this

649
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: also could have been exaggerated as an attack. But Anna

650
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: Burns points out that the three texts that do exist

651
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: that discuss her, which is Cassie Steo, Historia Augusta, and

652
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: the Marius Maximus biographies, all of them agree that she

653
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: preferred to be referred to as a woman, so some

654
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: of her atrocities may be exaggerated. But what we see

655
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: from them is that she was very unliked, she was

656
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: not popular, and her behavior was violent and not just shocking. Um,

657
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 1: so we probably have an exaggerated picture of what actually happened.

658
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: Making Queer history dot Com also says I'm just gonna

659
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: read this quote here. Another thing worth noting is that

660
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Ella Goblis came into power when she was fourteen. Part

661
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: of the reason why people followed her so easily was

662
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: because of how highly sexualized young boys were in that

663
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: time and in that culture. And though Ela Goblis would

664
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: later make it clear that she was a woman, society

665
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: saw her as a young boy and sexualized her as such.

666
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Because of this, the amount of agency Ela Gobblis had

667
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: when making large decisions is questionable at best. Much of

668
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: her bad behavior may be better understood when you consider

669
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Speaker 1: that she was a fourteen year old with the power

670
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: that most grown adults can't handle. It's a great point.

671
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: I mean, again, teenage years while don now living in

672
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: a palace. Everyone has to do exactly what you say. Yeah, yeah,

673
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'd be chopping off genitals and

674
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: throwing their snakes, but but I think, yeah, you would

675
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: definitely become well. And who knows what was like normalized

676
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: for her too in that palace, Like did she come

677
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: up with the idea to kill a bunch of people

678
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: after she came to power, or did somebody say this

679
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: is what you do? You can't you can't trust them.

680
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: You can't trust them, right, you have to get them,

681
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: You have to get them, you know what I mean?

682
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: You know, I feel like there's got to be somebody

683
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: in this story and we just don't know who they are.

684
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: That who who kind of was like, yeah, let me

685
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: encourage this access to it to and to a degree.

686
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: Voculation station who was whispering in all caps is here

687
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: because I got a theory what it was Cassius Dio.

688
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: He was a senator at the time. What if he's like,

689
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to make myself the best story anyone's ever written. Hey, kid,

690
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: get over here. I got some ideas for you. That

691
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: guy looked at you, funny. Don't you think this bassist

692
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: guy probably didn't like what you were doing. Don't you

693
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: think these coins might be, uh might be the beginnings

694
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: of a rebellion? Yeah? I know, it's just some jewelry

695
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: the guy made for his girlfriend. But looks like a

696
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: rebellion to me. I don't know. I mean, I'm not

697
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: saying anything. It's just that I heard that they were

698
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 1: saying that you did. It's probably nothing. It's probably nothing.

699
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: Just forget I said anything. Have a great day, I

700
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: mean at all. On Stu, we do know who was

701
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: whispering in her ear, and it was Julia Mason, who

702
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: was again pulling all the strings and always managed to

703
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: come out on top. That Julia Mason. Yeah, I guess

704
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: she's kind of a little finger. Yeah, she did have

705
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 1: the the weather vane. She knew which way that wind

706
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: was blowing at any given time. So there's this frequently

707
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: quoted article by a guy named John Dale from the

708
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: Good Men Project, and I wanted to read that. Now,

709
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: almost all the modern discourse quotes this somewhere in there

710
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: um in their writings. One could perhaps single out as

711
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: admirable her determination to be as open as possible about

712
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: her sexuality and about her own perceptions of her gender.

713
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: But what of her equal determination to enforce her own religion,

714
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: or her habit of having her critics murdered, or her

715
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: attempts to dispose of the young Alexander personally? I just

716
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: like knowing that there were people like Alagabulus around. I

717
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: like stumbling across them in corners of history where they

718
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: were not expected, regardless of whether or not a case

719
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 1: can be made for them having lived inspirational lit liives.

720
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: Ela Gobulis's trajectory as emperor was determined less by her

721
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: gender and sexuality than by the fact that she was

722
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: a spoiled teenager who had suddenly found herself to be

723
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: in possession of absolute power. Like Caligula, Nero and Commitists,

724
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: she paid the inevitable price for being no good at

725
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: a job that she clearly should never have been given.

726
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: In this respect, at least, there was a certain tragic

727
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: normality to her reign, and any history that finds a

728
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: more prominent place for the empress should perhaps also find

729
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: a place for that fact. I mean, it can't be

730
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: setting more clearly than I think that you know, this

731
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: was someone who just was in a position that she

732
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in. I mean, from from before she

733
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: was empress. I think she was already a really powerful

734
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: teenager with all the money in the world with I

735
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: think not a lot of perspective on what Rome as

736
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: a whole was like, because she came from such a

737
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: wealthy religious place, and I don't know how much can

738
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: you expect from someone like that, but in an episode

739
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: in The Power, it's very true. You have to keep

740
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: it in mind. I know, it wasn't quite the same,

741
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen at that time practically middle age. I guess,

742
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what the lifespans were,

743
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean they lived into their sixties and seventies.

744
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, but but still you kind of were closer

745
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 1: to what we think of as an adult today, younger

746
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: than we would today, you know, I mean you were

747
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: definitely you were working. It was not uncommon, I think,

748
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: to have younger marriages, marriages, I mean, they were already

749
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: like you should be a high priest. They were like

750
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: Alexander's fourteen, time for him to take over. It's you know,

751
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: it just seems like an age that people were kind

752
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: of cool with, like eighteen, you can smoke, you know whatever, fine,

753
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 1: you know, kind of just a different perspective on that age,

754
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: I guess, just to say, but still a human being,

755
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 1: still likely going through puberty at this time at these ages,

756
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: and having growing up rich already, but then being thrust

757
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: into this incredibly powerful because as and where she literally

758
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: could spend money however she wanted to treat people however

759
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: she wanted, you know, I mean, obviously there's consequences, as

760
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: we've seen, but they take a while, you know what

761
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 1: I mean. And you if you're trying, if you're established,

762
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 1: it becomes very difficult to rout you out and build

763
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: a rebellion around you. Another reason why I'm like, maybe

764
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: somebody's like talking in her ear because they're like, if

765
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: you're really brutal, people won't you know what I mean,

766
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: they'll be too afraid to step to you or whatever.

767
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: And so she's like, yeah, let's go extra hard on

768
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: on all these dudes, you know. I mean again, I'm

769
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: totally speculating there, but well that's all we're doing now.

770
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: Going back to the religious element too, here's someone who

771
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: basically believed that she was imbued with the power of

772
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: a god. Right, So when I think you've got that

773
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: kind of foundation of your beliefs, I think maybe that's

774
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: why so many Roman emperors, you know, took the job

775
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: and got killed, because they didn't believe that could possibly happen,

776
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: even if it happened. A hotter times for for but

777
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: not me. I'm chosen. I'm special. I'm the main character.

778
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: And and what a character, you know, literally, I mean

779
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: not everybody is what she was, But man, what does

780
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: that do for your mindset? And you know, your belief

781
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: about your consequences again, I mean, like you said, they'd

782
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: take a while to come around, and why would you

783
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: think they were ever going to come around? You know,

784
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: if they're not immediate. And she probably didn't grow up

785
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: with a lot of consequences for many of her actions.

786
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: And I mean grow up again, we're talking about until

787
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: she was fourteen. I mean she died at eighteen, So

788
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: how much opportunity did she have to grow? You can't

789
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: separate the fact that she did terrible things and hurt

790
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people, killed a lot of people. But

791
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: you know, she's it's that's bad, okay for us. This

792
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: is the first time I've ever heard of her, and

793
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: I think this is fucking fascinating now. I found out

794
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: about her and learned about her through a lot of

795
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: you know, contemporary LGBT blogs, some trans discourse, some just

796
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: about queerness, and they sort of point to her as

797
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: a famous trans historical figure. So in my you know,

798
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: in our ciss as education, uh public school in the suburbs.

799
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: Obviously she never came up. And again, there's not that

800
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: much information about there, and there's so many Roman emperors,

801
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, you can't learn about them all. But I

802
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: think it's cool that she's there, and I think she's

803
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: really worth learning about. Yeah, in fact, from making queer history,

804
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: they say, quote though she was undoubtedly worth remembering, she

805
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: may also be one of the people in the queer

806
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: community's history that isn't deserving of any reverence. She was queer,

807
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: and she was also a very violent and justifiably hated person,

808
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: but her bad behavior was not because of her queerness.

809
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: It is far more likely that her age played the

810
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: biggest part in her terrible decisions. I would also say, um,

811
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: the money. Yeah, grow up with a lot of money.

812
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: You get into a lot of money, You have so

813
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: much to spend that nobody can say nothing to you.

814
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,720
Speaker 1: I think I think it makes you make bad decisions. Yeah,

815
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean at that level. Sure, Yeah, she clearly had

816
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: a lot going on. Yeah. Elagabolus not not a hero

817
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: by any means, but definitely one of these complicated people

818
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: of history. It's totally worth looking at. Definitely worth knowing

819
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: about people were people all throughout history, and they told

820
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: jokes and they pranked, and they acted like dicks and

821
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: they looked for dick and you know, I mean, that's

822
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: what's fun to me about looking into history is finding

823
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: these characters and these like they seem kind of modern

824
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: and a lot of their their sensibilities and what they

825
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: wanted and stuff like that, and it just reminds you

826
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: that they're still human even though their culture is so

827
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: different and their time period was different, and they had

828
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: different learning and different knowledge than I have. They were

829
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: a lot like me, They're a lot like you, you

830
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They were just wilding out, bouncing around,

831
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: reacting to things. Right, But what a story. I'm really

832
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: glad to have learned about her. Like we've been saying,

833
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: and we could just keep re saying it over and

834
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: over again, but she was cool, she was complicated, and

835
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: she was horrible altogether at once. So you know, let

836
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: us know your thoughts, because this is definitely a thought

837
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: provoking person. There are so many stories in ancient Rome.

838
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, ancient Rome was around for thirty eight million years,

839
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: so I love I've got it's so late to get

840
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: into this but I do love that sort of time crunch.

841
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about it a little bit before,

842
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: about you know, when things happened in historical eras that

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Speaker 1: That's like, obviously doesn't make any sense, but but you

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