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Speaker 2: All right, Gods, welcome back another episode. E y L

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Speaker 2: Yeah virtually virtual edition. So today's a special episode because

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Speaker 2: you know the good thing we're having a business podcast.

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Speaker 2: It allows you to cover almost everything. Everything is a

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Speaker 2: business level of money and finances. Like Wu Tang said,

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Speaker 2: casualles everything as a fact. So, you know, we wanted

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Speaker 2: to do this this episode for a while as far

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Speaker 2: as cover the prison system and cover the state of

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Speaker 2: you know, criminal justice reform and mastercarceration from a financial standpoint, because.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a business, it's.

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Speaker 2: A billion dollars billion, and you know, we wanted to

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Speaker 2: just make sure that, you know, we ate had enough information.

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Speaker 2: And then we wanted to bring somebody on with a

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Speaker 2: with a real life experience.

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Speaker 4: Author experience.

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Speaker 2: So it was like just perfect because not only does

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Speaker 2: our guests have a real life experience, but he's on

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Speaker 2: the front lines as far as being a social activist

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Speaker 2: for years. And not only that, one of the best

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Speaker 2: them sees ever ball football.

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Speaker 3: I mean I remember from the Violated days man, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I remember I had the post wall Man album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you're not familiar my song, my song

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Speaker 2: is our guest today and yeah, my song is is

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Speaker 2: dope from a musical standpoint, huge following on social media

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Speaker 2: and on flex arguably one of the best flex freestyles ever.

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Speaker 4: I think you got like five of the top ten joints.

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Speaker 2: That's a fact. So so yeah, it's crazy. Wallow just

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Speaker 2: posted it yesterday. Shout out to Wildstow brother. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: one of the best flex funk flex freestyles ever, but

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Speaker 2: bigger than that. Just like I said, social activists be

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Speaker 2: on the front lines really doing this thing and making

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Speaker 2: a difference in the community. So first and foremost, before

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Speaker 2: we get started, thank you, thank you for joining us, appreciate.

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Speaker 5: It, thank you for having me. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I still remember the first line the first time

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Speaker 3: I ever heard you my song Lefty, That's still one

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Speaker 3: of the hardest intros to a rap song I've ever

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Speaker 3: left rifle.

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Speaker 2: That was different. That was different. So yeah, So Mice,

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Speaker 2: I want to tell people the backstoor they might not know.

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Speaker 2: They might have just seen your freestyles, or they might

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Speaker 2: have seen you, you know, doing the social activist thing, but

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Speaker 2: they might not have known your story of you know,

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Speaker 2: where you got to this point.

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Speaker 6: And for us, we grew up.

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Speaker 2: In the nineties, grew up in the early two thousands,

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Speaker 2: and were huge fans of music. So when me and Troy,

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Speaker 2: like when we first started ahead about your name, it

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Speaker 2: was on the underground circuit and then that that Rough

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Speaker 2: Riders Rough Fires was so hot. It's kind of hard

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Speaker 2: for me to explain to people that's younger, like Rough

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Speaker 2: Riders was it they had. It was bigger than music though,

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Speaker 2: me to make a comparison to any not one right now. No,

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Speaker 2: they was like three hundred, five hundred deep with motorcycles

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Speaker 2: like all over the country.

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Speaker 4: Shut.

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Speaker 2: So so when they put out their compilation, you had

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Speaker 2: all over and believe you signed with Violator. But then

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Speaker 2: So can you talk about that as far as your

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Speaker 6: And I'm not.

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Speaker 2: Sure if you if you first started your activism, uh

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Speaker 2: the first week you just came home. We saw at

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Speaker 2: two Fish, one Fish.

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Speaker 6: It was out.

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Speaker 2: We was out, We was out with some of our

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Speaker 2: I just remember that. So, yeah, can you talk about

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I got signed. I mean, I started in

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Speaker 7: the industry in about ninety eight. My then manager, Tone

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Speaker 7: Camp and we kind of sound like the Locks though,

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Speaker 7: like that we was dope. We actually did. We had

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Speaker 7: He brought us to his office and he was like,

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Speaker 7: For more of you know whatever. Anyway, so then we

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Speaker 7: And then he was interested in them because he was

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Speaker 7: I guess he had just finished manager man. He was

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Speaker 7: he wanted to meet with them and he's like yo,

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Speaker 7: He's like yo you and they was like yo, if

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Speaker 5: And by that time I had kind of got a

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Speaker 7: A Marrow had told us to sound like daylight soul,

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Speaker 7: I'm not doing that, you know what I'm saying for what,

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Speaker 7: I'm tired to keep hearing the same old shit. So

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Speaker 5: That's the ninety eight.

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Speaker 7: He pulls up in front of my building with a navigator, black,

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Speaker 7: brand new navigator, so nobody ain't have no no navigating

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Speaker 7: in ninety eight. He got me somebody, he know, he

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Speaker 7: doing something. They posed in front of my building getting

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Speaker 7: I'm always skeptical with everybody. So I'm sitting in back.

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Speaker 7: They talking to me quiet. He looking at me like,

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Speaker 7: And then he's just like you all right, I'm good.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm just kid.

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Speaker 7: And my man say, I feel all right, but I

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Speaker 7: We drove to I think we drove. That's what free.

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Speaker 5: So he was that's what he's like. Yo.

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Speaker 5: And from there I had I went to we had.

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Speaker 5: What happened was I had a big battle.

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Speaker 6: With Sean in front of Justice.

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Speaker 5: That was that was like.

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Speaker 7: But prior to that, I had went to UN's office.

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Speaker 7: Who was that's when entertainment you know Cam Cam, the

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Speaker 7: cam there, Charlie Baltimore and who I think it was

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Speaker 7: that was so five that it was probably like it's

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Speaker 7: still like one of my favorite songs. It never came

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Speaker 7: out nothing. We played this song. She was fired so

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Speaker 7: that I was supposed to get signed to them before.

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Speaker 7: So he's like, ya, don't let nobody else him. I

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Speaker 7: was like, y, don't let nobody else him. We're gonna

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Speaker 7: sign him. Now, that's what Sean had just got signed

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Speaker 5: Sean is outside just Romen.

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Speaker 2: Randomly, randomly, they just to be on Tuesday nights with

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Speaker 4: Side rom ninety eight. That that that was. That was

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Speaker 7: He pulled up there and played that song and I

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Speaker 4: This please, Oh my gosh, this like.

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Speaker 5: How did this happen? Anyway? So we outside did they freestyling?

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Speaker 7: My lawyer at the time, Matt Middleton, was listening to

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Speaker 5: We inside justine eating he come like yo, the outside

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Speaker 7: Numbers out there. And I know, Seana the dude, I

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Speaker 5: He's fake biggie.

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Speaker 6: That was the thing.

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Speaker 7: Side the nigga whatever. So I'm alright, I go outside.

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Speaker 7: And then and then Norman was like, yo, you want

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Speaker 7: all right, I'll throw something in there. Ron Norman listened

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Speaker 7: It's we got one of the biggest circles in the park,

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Speaker 5: So we going. It was to the point where I noo.

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Speaker 5: So it went back.

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Speaker 7: It got back to puff that y'all he ate your artists,

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Speaker 7: And I had this big bidding war and ended up

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Speaker 7: you why I'm outside, No more messing up my money, you.

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Speaker 5: Know what I'm saying. So it was it was it

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Speaker 7: Mean, we and him almost had We almost got into

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Speaker 5: His man's was, man, it really was one of his man's.

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Speaker 7: So we almost got into a big beef. The whole

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Speaker 7: I signed with Chris Lady. I was originally going to

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Speaker 7: what that's that's that's DMX label, Like I want to

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: When they got he got the Rough Fighters, I want

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Speaker 5: I called them a problem Georgia. So I'm like, we

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Speaker 7: I don't want to sign underneath, and they was like, nah,

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Speaker 7: know that the Rough Riders. It's symbolic with DMX in

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Speaker 5: DMX had already sold five million records.

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Speaker 7: Like there's no way that you come in there and

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Speaker 7: Chris was like, you're gonna be the priority over here.

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Speaker 7: I'm telling you, we're gonna do this. You know, we

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Speaker 7: it's not no like no competition. And it was cor Mega,

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Speaker 7: me and with schedules, drove the album in the same

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Speaker 5: I'm going back and forth with it. You know.

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Speaker 7: We went to trial and ended up blowing travel. You know,

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Speaker 7: But I ended up getting sentenced to seven to fourteen years.

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Speaker 5: So you know now that that was crazy.

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Speaker 6: How how are you?

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Speaker 5: I was twenty years old, twenty.

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Speaker 7: Twenty years old, just about to just got this record deal,

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Speaker 5: Of this stuff, and I end up going trial for

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Speaker 5: seven and fourteen. So I'm sitting there like this, this

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Speaker 7: I was just in the Bahamas recording my album with

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Speaker 7: it was just the weirdest turn of events that I've

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Speaker 5: And when I got picked out of a lot, that

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Speaker 7: Up a street seeing I looked like somebody, And so

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Speaker 7: that's that in itself was even worse. It was something

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Speaker 7: You like, this is what it comes with it when

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Speaker 5: You know, it's a lot.

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Speaker 7: But you know, I just told myself every day that

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. I can't sit here and

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Speaker 7: Eventually, I got at least seven years to do here,

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Speaker 7: So I worked out, I read, I exercised, I wrote rhymes.

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Speaker 7: You know, I studied, you know, when I started realizing

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Speaker 5: Were the product.

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Speaker 7: Blackrown might not already go in and out of prison,

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Speaker 7: of mindy to go to prison for our communities, and

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Speaker 5: Us how cool it is and how gangs today is

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Speaker 7: And sure they was coming to visit me, and all

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Speaker 7: It's a bunch of dudes that just dying to get home.

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Speaker 5: So when I came home, my mind frame was different.

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Speaker 7: I didn't immediately get into activism, but I was definitely

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Speaker 7: after seven years, you don't you out of touch, you

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Speaker 7: don't know what's going on now, you know people you

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Speaker 6: To can you talk about that?

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Speaker 2: Like how because I don't think people the vast majority

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Speaker 2: I remember, I think it was Mano and he was

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Speaker 2: It's how hard is it to adapt back into society

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Speaker 7: It is very hard because there is different There's so

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Speaker 5: You have to go through your.

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Speaker 7: Own you have to you have to adapt back into society.

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Speaker 5: You have to get out of the society that you

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Speaker 7: You have to evolve your thinking because you used to

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Speaker 7: So there's so many different elements that you have to

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Speaker 7: be very focused. You gotta not say much. You listen

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Speaker 7: more than you talk. You know, in society you have

440
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 7: the network. So the more quiet you are, that the

441
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 7: less productive you are. So I'm moving around people and

442
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 7: I'm coming around and people are earl yah boom moore,

443
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 7: and I'm just quiet.

444
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 5: People like what man all right? Like everything good with them?

445
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 5: I'm like, nah, I'm good, he good and good and

446
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 5: they're like, yo, you are right.

447
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 7: I'm like, yeah, what what do you mean what I'm

448
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 7: saying like you look like.

449
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 5: Like people are scared of talk.

450
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,879
Speaker 7: I'm like ah, and I didn't understand what they were

451
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,719
Speaker 7: talking about. But I didn't make myself approachable because I

452
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 7: was a lot more serious. And then, especially dealing in

453
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 7: this industry, you know how faith this shit is. Everybody'll

454
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 7: shake your hands and tell you they love you and

455
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 7: they're gonna call you tomorrow, and that's not gonna happen.

456
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 7: They're gonna do this with you and it's not gonna happen.

457
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 7: So that don't happen in prison. You're saying that don't

458
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 7: really happen in the streets, just regular being in the streets.

459
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 5: When you deal with men, it don't really go like that.

460
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 5: So when you.

461
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Speaker 7: Start having those conversations and you seeing these industry dudes

462
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 7: and they tell you how much they love you, Yo,

463
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 7: we're gonna do this, and then they don't.

464
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 5: When you come in prison, it's like, yo, why you

465
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 5: ain't do that.

466
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Speaker 7: Everybody is used to that outside. So when you approaching

467
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,680
Speaker 7: the dude left he said he's gonna do something. Don't

468
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Speaker 7: get nervous now.

469
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Speaker 5: Now they're like, yo, we don't want to be around

470
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 5: this dude. He bugged out, you know what I'm saying.

471
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Speaker 7: That's why when you look when men came home, he

472
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 7: was doing a lot of stuff. It was a lot

473
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 7: about because he wasn't used to being on that time.

474
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Speaker 7: Will you play with me? You understand I'm saying, like

475
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:09,880
Speaker 7: you're gonna do.

476
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Speaker 5: Something to me. You can't say you're gonna do something

477
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Speaker 5: for me and don't do it. You can't give me

478
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 5: a hug and look me in my eyes say I

479
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 5: got you.

480
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 7: And then I called you don't see your phone or

481
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 7: you see me and we have the same conversation three

482
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 7: times and nothing happened.

483
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 5: So that's a process.

484
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 7: So I was getting enemies from not playing because I'm

485
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 7: taking you literally.

486
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Speaker 5: Like DJ like, yo, I love you, I'm gonna do this.

487
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 7: I play your record. I'm coming to the DJ. You

488
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 7: giving the record. They playing it for two seconds, turning

489
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Speaker 7: it off like you're like you doing like why he

490
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 7: didn't play the song? He talking about you like Noah,

491
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 7: you gotta do it now. But you're playing some song

492
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 7: for some niggas that live down south. You never see

493
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 7: it before in the New York club and you breaking

494
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 7: the song.

495
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 5: You're playing it four or five times, but you're playing my.

496
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Speaker 7: Second for my record for three seconds. So I was

497
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 7: having this is issues. I'm turning off niggas microphone tucking

498
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,119
Speaker 7: like you know what I'm saying. So this was a

499
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 7: process for me. The acclamation, just realizing that you got

500
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 7: to become and you got to do things different the

501
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 7: way and you got to be a lot more diplomatic.

502
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 7: That was a process for me, you know what I'm saying,

503
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 7: and coming from prison, because you all you have in

504
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 7: prison is your world, the way that you carry yourself,

505
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 7: You carry yourself like a man.

506
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 5: Your word is everything. So that's how I came home,

507
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 5: and that's not how it is here. You know what

508
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

509
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 7: People will tell you anything, and if you do not

510
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 7: adapt to that reality, then you will find yourself outside

511
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 7: of the bubble.

512
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: So what you got to do is learn how to

513
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 5: play the game.

514
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 7: You don't expect anything from and you realize happy you

515
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 7: you doing what you gotta do, whatever they do is

516
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 7: a plus. You don't expect anything from. So that that

517
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 7: was a real process of adjustment for me.

518
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Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about mass incarcerations. So for people that

519
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: are not familiar with some of the numbers we looked at.

520
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: So there's there's private prisons. America I think is the

521
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 2: only country that has private prisons. One out of five

522
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: prisoners in America are in private at prisons. It's a

523
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: two billion dollar industry. And the whole thing is really

524
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: crazy because it's like a bunch of fortune. Five hundred

525
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: companies have workers that are incarcerated from Victoria's Secrets, Whole Foods, Walmart,

526
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: Hopeful is actually owned by Amazon, so that's really Amazon, Walmart, Microsoft, Starbucks, BP,

527
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: Nintendo AT and T Target to name a few, just

528
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: a few. And there's a there's a whole economic system

529
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: that's based around jail. From the cost of phone calls

530
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: extremely high. Commissary is like way overpriced for food items,

531
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Speaker 2: even transportation, Like these prisons are in the middle of

532
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 2: nowhere most in most states, so it's like five hour

533
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: bus trips and then they have transportation companies that provide

534
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: bus trips to people's families to come.

535
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Speaker 6: It's oh, it's a whole system.

536
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 5: And they provide.

537
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Speaker 6: Free label.

538
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the free the freelan really quick. The free

539
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: labor thing was especially and we'll get into the pandemic.

540
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: But I work in the school and I'll never forget

541
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 3: uh when it just started maybe like early March.

542
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 4: Uh, they brought the.

543
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: Hand sanitizers into our school and at the same time

544
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 3: they brought it in. I remember sending shinty article like yo,

545
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 3: they got the prisoners making the hand sanitizer.

546
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: I'm like, now, I can't use that.

547
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 3: This goes against everything I stand for, Like you could

548
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 3: have actually employed people to make these things and gave

549
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: them a job. But Rett, you're gonna let prisoners eight

550
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: cents an hour.

551
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Speaker 7: And the thing about it is those same prisoners that

552
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 7: make that inside the prison can't go home and work

553
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 7: in a factory where they do that.

554
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 5: They won't even hire them, right, you can see what

555
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

556
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 7: So it's like they it's prisons in there doing working

557
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 7: for the phone on AT and T. They answering eighteen

558
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 7: T calls, but can't come home and work at AT

559
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Speaker 7: and T.

560
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 5: They're doing construction and building. They on core craft.

561
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Speaker 7: It's the biggest thing inside the prison. They make all

562
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 7: the clothing, all of the soap, all everything. But you

563
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 7: can't come home and work if you for core craft.

564
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 7: And you got to feeling it, so it doesn't like

565
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 7: it's really it's really slavery.

566
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Speaker 2: And so from being inside, from like firsthand experience, because

567
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: I think that they said the average prison across America

568
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: gets paid like sixty eight cents an hour or something

569
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 2: like that, or eighty six cents an hour. You don't

570
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: have an option because I want to explain this for people, because,

571
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: like I said, the vast majority of people have they've

572
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: never been incarcerated. So I think it's because a lot

573
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: of times people don't have compassion a last you know,

574
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: it's very common, especially in our community. For some reason,

575
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: we're very compassionate people, but we're very uncompassionate amongst ourselves exactly,

576
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: And a lot of times it's like, well, don't do

577
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: the crime. Don't do obviously, shouldn't make crimes, that's obvious, right,

578
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that. It's like America has five

579
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: percent of the world's population, twenty five percent of the

580
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: prison population. We have more prisoners than India. India and

581
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 2: China they both have a billion people. We have three

582
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: hundred million people. So there's obviously a financial system in

583
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: play here, right. So being on the inside, how was

584
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: it Because you don't you don't have an option to work.

585
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 6: You have to work, right, right, you.

586
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 7: Have you have programs, So when your program comes, you

587
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 7: have to choose vocationals.

588
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 5: What you have to like take some type of skill.

589
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 7: Then they probably have programs that's mandatory programs based on

590
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 7: your crime. They have drug programs you have to go to,

591
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 7: or violence programs or turn it into violence programs you

592
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 7: have to go to. And then you have a regular

593
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 7: job that you have to do. And and like he said,

594
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 7: the average prisoner doesn't. I don't know about maybe maybe

595
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 7: it went up to sixty cents hour, because I when

596
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 7: I was there, the job was like seven and eight

597
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 7: cents hour. At the end week, we make about fifty

598
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 7: cents probably a dollar two dollars. At the end of

599
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 7: the week, we'll probably have about two dollars three dollars

600
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 7: if you worked.

601
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Speaker 5: The whole week, you know what I'm saying.

602
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 7: So, and that was working the regular seven hours seven

603
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 7: eight hours a day's shift.

604
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: And you get about no more than three to four

605
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 5: dollars a week. That was a conversary ship.

606
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 7: So you know, when you when you're in it, you

607
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 7: don't have you like you said, you don't have a

608
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 7: you don't have a choice over the world, and you

609
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 7: can't even survive those That amount of money is not

610
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 7: even enough to buy toilet trees. You know, if they

611
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 7: don't supply you they supply you with soap, but they

612
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 7: don't supply you with deodorant, you know, they don't supply

613
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 7: you with certain with baby or you and things of

614
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 7: that nature to lotion yourself. So that's not even enough

615
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 7: to buy toiletrees. So most you bother with that. They

616
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 7: give you these little ten dollars, you know, the Lieutenant

617
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 7: Roman new ten cent Roman soups that you can buy

618
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 7: an average person who's who has no outside friends and

619
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 7: family to bring them anything, it's probably buying the about

620
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 7: twenty of those suits, and they living off that because

621
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 7: the food that they feed you can't really fill you up,

622
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 7: and most of it ain't even good.

623
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Speaker 5: So it's it's it's definitely slave slave industry inside.

624
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: Of prison, and it's a big business.

625
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: I think the first time it probably was on Kanye's album,

626
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 3: and maybe I was ignorant to it, but when he

627
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: said the line the CCA teamed up with the DEA,

628
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: I had to stop him, like yo, the CCA, and

629
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: then actually doing some research the Correction Corporation of America.

630
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: They're building these private prisons, and when you build a prison,

631
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: you have to have prisoners, obviously, so they're making millions

632
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: of the dollars building these prisons and then finding inmates.

633
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 4: But what they're doing at.

634
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: The same time is they have to incriminate people. Right,

635
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: So it's like, Yo, the thing that used to not

636
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: be legal, now it is. And that's happened over time.

637
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: We've seen that happen with Mexicans in the eighteen hundreds

638
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 3: and the Chinese and during the gold Rush, Like we're

639
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: going to criminalize what they do and people are not

640
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: aware of it. Right, So when you're talking about this generation,

641
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: I'm just like, Yeah, they don't get it because they

642
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: can't see the big picture.

643
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 7: America is built on capitalism. Capitalism only came to survive.

644
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 7: If there's a lower class, there has to be a bottom.

645
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 7: They don't really have to be a middle class, but

646
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 7: the bottom has to be someone. So this is why,

647
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 7: that's why why supremacy is such a big thing when

648
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 7: we talk about it for black people and people don't

649
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 7: understand it or you could do anything, No, it's not

650
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 7: meant for you to do everything. The reason why we

651
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 7: in marginalized communities, why you have projects, why the reason

652
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 7: why they don't fix it up, because we need crime

653
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 7: to happen in these communities.

654
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: They need crime like, so.

655
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 7: When after this pandemic, there's going to be a flood

656
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 7: of flush in crime because you know why, because people

657
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 7: are dealing with trauma, they're dealing with fear, people are

658
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Speaker 7: gonna be dealing with financial issues. They cut all of

659
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Speaker 7: the summer programs. The kids are not getting no summer youth.

660
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Speaker 7: There's no basketball, there's no sports. They close the parks

661
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Speaker 7: or what else are you going to do If you're

662
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Speaker 7: living in a project, you know, you're sitting around, you're hot,

663
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Speaker 7: you're outside, you're not stay in the house.

664
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Speaker 5: There's nothing but crime.

665
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Speaker 7: You're trying to you're probably gonna rob somebody because now

666
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Speaker 7: you can't even enjoy the sports. The kids don't even

667
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Speaker 7: go get to go enjoy the sports. You frustrated, you

668
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Speaker 7: didn't graduate, You missed your graduation. You was probably going

669
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Speaker 7: to one of the top basketball players. You're supposed to

670
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Speaker 7: go to D one school.

671
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Speaker 5: You didn't even get to.

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Speaker 7: Play your last year. You don't even know if you're

673
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Speaker 7: going back to us. Like, there's so much things that's

674
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 7: going to breed crime in our communities right now. You know,

675
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Speaker 7: So this is this right here is a time like

676
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Speaker 7: when you if you if you start studying stops. The

677
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Speaker 7: prison industry is what they invested in right now, prison

678
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Speaker 7: pharmaceuticals because they can try to force us into back.

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Speaker 5: Like, all of these things are things that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 5: You know.

681
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Speaker 7: The stimulus product pack was to keep people silent because

682
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Speaker 7: when the stimulus is over and then when you go back,

683
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Speaker 7: they said, we got the highest this is the highest

684
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Speaker 7: unemployment ever. They got over forty million people who've apply

685
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Speaker 7: for unemployment who lost their jobs. So that's going to

686
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Speaker 7: what that's going to look like in the next couple

687
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Speaker 7: of months. When they start to reopen society and people

688
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Speaker 7: are moving, it's gonna breed crime.

689
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Speaker 5: There's gonna be some people that.

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Speaker 3: Have nothing, some of them some of those jobs that

691
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Speaker 3: they used to have won't be there right and a

692
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Speaker 3: lot of people, a lot of people get confused. It's like, oh,

693
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Speaker 3: that can't happen here. But I'm like, yo, somebody can't

694
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Speaker 3: eat where they live, they come into your neighborhood.

695
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Speaker 5: That's a fact.

696
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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

697
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Speaker 5: Poverty is crime. That's the bottom line. Anywhere that you

698
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Speaker 5: look with people live in poverty, there's crime.

699
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Speaker 7: You know, it's not black people, it's not spending people

700
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Speaker 7: it's the conditions that people. If you cannot change the conditions,

701
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Speaker 7: you can't change the problems. When people say, yo, they

702
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 7: shouldn't commit committed the crimes, well, the conditions were set

703
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 7: there for them to commit the crime. If you you

704
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 7: know that, some people have the ability to live with

705
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Speaker 7: with mega, to live with nothing.

706
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Speaker 5: Some people okay with that.

707
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Speaker 7: When you look outside and you see other people having

708
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 7: things as a young boy, and you're being teased for

709
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 7: not having things, and you try to figure out how

710
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 7: how to get it, and the only vision of success

711
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 7: you ever seen was a drug dealer. The only people

712
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 7: you ever seen have money with a drug dealer. And

713
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Speaker 7: the stick of kids that pulled up, they had the

714
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Speaker 7: girl you want. They had to call you want, they.

715
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Speaker 5: Had to respect you want.

716
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Speaker 7: It's not as easy as you just don't commit the crime.

717
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 7: And you just keep going to school with barely enough

718
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 7: lunch money and holds in your jeans, and you keep

719
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Speaker 7: telling me, no, you can't buy the new video game

720
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Speaker 7: I want. You can't know, we can't get these new shoes,

721
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Speaker 7: and the cable keep getting.

722
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Speaker 5: Cut off, and some days to come in there's nothing refrigerator.

723
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Speaker 7: It's easy to say you should they shouldn't commit the

724
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Speaker 7: crime when you don't understand those realities, you know what

725
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 7: I'm saying, So you have to you have to change

726
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 7: those realities for you to change the mind state of

727
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Speaker 7: the individual. Nobody wants to commit crime. I never I

728
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Speaker 7: never want. I did everything possible now to commit a crime.

729
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Speaker 7: But it was a time where I felt like I

730
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Speaker 7: was I was a man, and I was around people,

731
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Speaker 7: and I don't even feel comfortable because I didn't have

732
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Speaker 7: a dollar two dollars in my pod. So that that

733
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Speaker 7: that that starts to play on the psyche. It's a

734
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Speaker 7: reality that we live with in marginalized communities. And you know,

735
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Speaker 7: and and I think people who don't identify with that,

736
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Speaker 7: and and there are some people who are able to

737
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Speaker 7: move through that without committing crowd because it's just certain

738
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Speaker 7: people that are able to, you know, overcome. So people

739
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Speaker 7: come from strong families to where even though they don't

740
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Speaker 7: have nothing, they have a strong unit. Where you can't

741
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Speaker 7: say that to a person who father o deed when

742
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 7: he's eleven years old. The mother's don't crack in the streets,

743
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Speaker 7: and you don't have the food stamps. She done sold

744
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Speaker 7: the food stamps.

745
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Speaker 5: And you're coming home and it's just you and your

746
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Speaker 5: little sister in.

747
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 7: The house, and you got to figure out how to eat.

748
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Speaker 7: That's a different conversation. So when people say you just

749
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 7: don't commit the crime and don't understand the realities that

750
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Speaker 7: come with that, it's an insult, you know, it's inso

751
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Speaker 7: to somebody who has a good heart, who considers themselves

752
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Speaker 7: a good person.

753
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Speaker 5: If you look at.

754
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Speaker 7: Most of our people, who look at jay Z, you

755
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 7: look at fifty when they got the opportunities, they didn't

756
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 7: have to commit crimes, you know, but they they got

757
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Speaker 7: where they got because if it wasn't for those crimes

758
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 7: they committed, you wouldn't even know them. They probably would

759
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Speaker 7: have been in the streets someone You understand I'm saying.

760
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Speaker 7: So it's a double assed ward and we want to

761
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Speaker 7: do better. We got to understand the circumstances in our community.

762
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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this because just I'm interested to

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Speaker 2: know this. You had mentioned the calls in is like

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766
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Speaker 5: So that's what jobs.

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Speaker 7: Because one of my friends he literally he came home

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Speaker 7: two days ago and he told me he was working

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Speaker 7: for I think it was att of the Rise and

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Speaker 7: wanted them.

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Speaker 5: He was pick on the call and say hello, are

822
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Speaker 5: you who would you like to speak to it?

823
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Speaker 7: He would direct the call in certain lines that he

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Speaker 7: pressed and he would ford them to you know, that

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Speaker 7: can give them certain home.

826
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Speaker 5: But he was the first line of calls that they called.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because it's like, yeah, it's it's really you know,

828
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Speaker 2: it's like you don't have a choice to do it

829
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Speaker 2: because if you don't do it, what happens?

830
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Speaker 6: You get punished.

831
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Speaker 4: Right, it's in fraction, Right, he's an infraction.

832
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Speaker 7: You could lose your time then they can if you

833
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Speaker 7: have parole or whatever, they can.

834
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Speaker 3: But that's part of the cycle, right, like that, and

835
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Speaker 3: that's what keeps you there, right, So I commit this

836
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Speaker 3: infraction now my time is longer now they make more

837
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Speaker 3: money because I'm staying, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: It's all part of the same.

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Speaker 6: Circle, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I'm one of these people where you know, I

841
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Speaker 2: hate conspiracy theory because I'm just the person that I

842
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Speaker 2: like to deal with fact, right, But a lot of

843
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: this stuff is kind of it's not a conspiracy. It's

844
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: common sense where it's like, Okay, if I if I'm

845
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Speaker 2: the CEO of a fortune five hundred company right now,

846
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Speaker 2: the easiest option is to outsource it to like India

847
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Speaker 2: what they do, but you still got to pay them something,

848
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Speaker 2: even if it's like two dollars an hour. It's like

849
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Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, it's a language different thing

850
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Speaker 2: though they speak English, but it's you know, whereas somebody

851
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Speaker 2: from America that speaks English that you can pay ten

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Speaker 2: cents an hour literally.

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Speaker 4: Some sense a day, right an hour?

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Speaker 2: Right cents an hour? I mean on the bottom company's

855
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Speaker 2: bottom line. Why would it not? Why would I not

856
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Speaker 2: do that? So being that that's a work population, you

857
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Speaker 2: it's really no incentive not to have people in jails,

858
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Speaker 2: if anything, is in the sense of to keep the

859
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Speaker 2: jails full because you have a free.

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Speaker 6: People here.

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Speaker 2: Two million people that's that's locked up, that's that's working

862
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Speaker 2: for free. And this is why it's not makes common

863
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Speaker 2: sense that we have twenty five percent of the world's

864
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Speaker 2: prison population only five percent of the.

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Speaker 6: World total population.

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Speaker 4: It's a big business.

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Speaker 6: It's a business when it all comes down to money.

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Speaker 7: At the end of the day, all comes down to money.

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Speaker 7: And unfortunately, we came here as labor. That's what that's

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Speaker 7: how black people brought to this country. So we maintained that,

871
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Speaker 7: you know, and until we understand that reality and we stop,

872
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Speaker 7: we stop punishing each other and stop figuring out how

873
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Speaker 7: to build with each other, because everybody looks down on

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Speaker 7: somebody else based on their circumstances or you don't got this,

875
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 7: you you should have never did this, and not understanding

876
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 7: people's services. And so until we create a culture, because

877
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 7: the problem with us as blacks in America, we don't

878
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 7: have one culture. We're not a monolith. And and people

879
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 7: say that as it's a positive thing, and I think

880
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 7: it's it's too our dittric because if you look at

881
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 7: every other culture, when you look at the Asians, they

882
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 7: have one culture.

883
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 5: You know, they immediately.

884
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 7: When something happen as they move together because it represents

885
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 7: they culture. When you look at the Jews, they have

886
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 7: one culture, so it happens they all move together and

887
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 7: one and it gives it gives them a sense of power.

888
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 7: Even when you look at the Hispanic community, the Minigans

889
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 7: in Puerto Ricans, they have a culture they form together.

890
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 7: We the only people that might hang with the Puerto Ricans.

891
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 7: We might be over here, we might be everywhere else.

892
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 7: But I don't gotta do it just because you're black.

893
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 7: We don't feel no obligation just because you're black to

894
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 7: support you. It just it's just not how most people feel.

895
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 7: They feel like I did it myself. You need to

896
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 7: figure out if the Chinese person come to jail. Every

897
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 7: Chinese person Asian person in there is figuring out are

898
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 7: you good? What you need to speak their language. They're

899
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 7: gonna bring them, they gonna feed them. They're gonna make

900
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 7: su a good Hispanic person. Come, all of this spanding

901
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 7: people are gonna pull them.

902
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 5: They're gonna feed them. You good black person. Come, They're

903
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 5: gonna look at you like you got to head.

904
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 6: Feed you.

905
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: Unless you unless you they knew you from somewhere.

906
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 7: But the ain't no just black people gonna say, oh,

907
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 7: this is a black dude, I'm gonna.

908
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 5: Make you good. It just don't work like that. So

909
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 5: it shows the divide. We just don't move.

910
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 2: Being on the inside. Did people like did some of

911
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: your comrades while you was locked up start to realize

912
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: that the financial play behind it? Like what they starting

913
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: to see like this, Like I'm out in the streets

914
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: doing all of this, but this is actually a bigger

915
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: play here, and now I'm working for free, for Lord

916
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: and Taylor, all of these companies. Like did they Did

917
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: they ever realize that inside? Did you ever have those

918
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: kind of conversations with people inside?

919
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 7: It's the most the most brilliant people I ever met.

920
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 5: Was in prison. I met genius man and they never

921
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 5: coming home.

922
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 7: Men who got convicted for stealing a dollar out of

923
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 7: white women's purse, supposedly on robbery, doing thirty and forty years,

924
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 7: you know, at seventeen and been getting hit at the

925
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 7: board three and.

926
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 5: Four times like this, This is the reality that.

927
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 7: We come from, you know, the crimes that that people

928
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 7: that our brothers are spending. If you if you heard

929
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 7: the reality of what these crimes. I went to jail,

930
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 7: I did seven and fourteen years, no record. I was

931
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 7: going to John Jay College nothing for supposedly robin ten

932
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 7: dollars from a cab driver with a gun that nobody

933
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 7: ever found, nobody was ever hurt.

934
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 5: And he sends me this seven to.

935
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 7: Fourteen years and a problem in my life with record,

936
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 7: deal all these things. People sending me letters like, oh,

937
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 7: we'll do this for him, We'll make sure he's good.

938
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 7: And they say, now we got to send him in

939
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 7: jail for sef to ruin your life. You understand, said,

940
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 7: this is the reality that our people come from. They

941
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 7: don't have those realities in different communities.

942
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: You know.

943
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 7: I know, the white dude was convicted of raping some

944
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 7: girl behind you know, and they're throwing in a dumpster,

945
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 7: and they said, we're not putting him in jail because

946
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 7: it's gonna mess up his college.

947
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 4: He's going to college, you know what I'm saying.

948
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 7: So this is this, this one, this is this is

949
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 7: what we deal with.

950
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 5: This is a reality when we deal me.

951
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 7: So of course, this dude, when you get in there

952
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 7: and you start to really look and say, damn, it's

953
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 7: only us coming in these doors, and it's only us staying.

954
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 7: You know, they to the minimum facilities where they're doing

955
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 7: two and three years, don't matter what the crime, they're

956
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 7: getting billions, they doing white collar crimes, getting a hundred

957
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 7: million dollars and they going home for two and three years.

958
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 7: You really tell you about her situation. She ended up

959
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 7: doing ten years years.

960
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: People who put her on did one in two years.

961
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 7: You know, the people who made way more money than

962
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 7: her ended up doing two years and one year or

963
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 7: getting probation.

964
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 5: So and the only difference was the skin color, you

965
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. So this is the reality that

966
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 5: we deal with when you when we sit there. Of

967
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 5: course we realize if you, if you have any level.

968
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 7: Of intellect, you realize as a play that this is

969
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 7: a money then you know they giving they getting about

970
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 7: fifty thousand a year for each inmate in there, and

971
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 7: they don't provide nothing for you but a bed that

972
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 7: just keeps going in and pay three pair of state

973
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 7: greens everything else, and they give you a fucking a

974
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 7: state mail every day that probably they probably spending about

975
00:44:55,360 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 7: one thousand dollars a week on the whole prison.

976
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 5: Right they make it thirty.

977
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 7: And fifty thousand on each individual in that prison.

978
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: And it also helps the economy of the local town

979
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: because these towns are like in the middle of nowhere,

980
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: and the prison the prisoners, yeah, they counted as population.

981
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: So like when they do the census, they get and

982
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: so they taken out of their community.

983
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 4: They can't vote.

984
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 2: There's more people in the other community. And then they

985
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: have like a thing where it's like, cause one of

986
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 2: my cousins was was incarcerated in a federal penitentiary in Connecticut,

987
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: and I want to visit them, and I think I

988
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: had jeans on, so I didn't know that you couldn't

989
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 2: wear a geen so you had to buy sweat. So

990
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: I drove two hours to get there. I'm not going

991
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: to not go. So they like, don't worry about it.

992
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 2: There's a Marshals down the street, and they like that's convenient.

993
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 2: They like everybody nobody really knows that, right, So it's

994
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: like every day people's going to marshal the person. One person,

995
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: God was coolly like, look, this is what you do.

996
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: You buy it, keep it, tag going, then return it.

997
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: But they like it happens so much. It's not aid

998
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: the marshalls build your business around it exactly.

999
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 6: It's crazy.

1000
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 7: Most person, it ain't gonna take you back because they're like,

1001
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 7: I ain't going back, and let me give me a

1002
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 7: kid of jeans, real quick, little.

1003
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 5: Sweats, and I'm good.

1004
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a five hour ride back home. Now,

1005
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: I'm good.

1006
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: And that's what we deal with. Man. It's like the

1007
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 5: whole town, the whole all them towns upstate. You know

1008
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 5: a lot of these towns.

1009
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 7: I never wore killing all these that's the whole industry

1010
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 7: is prison.

1011
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 5: There's nothing else Orleans. It's nothing. I went is in

1012
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: the jail.

1013
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 7: Orleans and Benford Hills is right across the street, and everybody,

1014
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 7: all of the seons is like cousins.

1015
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 5: Family. He was either family or he was married to

1016
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 5: his sister.

1017
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 7: It was one town where all everybody in the town

1018
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 7: worked in the prison.

1019
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 4: After you release.

1020
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: Did you have to go through the probation process, because

1021
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: I know that's something that Meek talked about a lot

1022
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: and he's trying, you know, they're trying to do the

1023
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: reform project.

1024
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 4: Can you talk about that a little bit.

1025
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 5: Well, I didn't have to do probation.

1026
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 7: I had to do parole, which is pretty much it's similar,

1027
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 7: but it's different, you know, as far as parole. When

1028
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 7: you on parole, you have a certain amount of time

1029
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 7: on parole excuse me, that you have to complete without

1030
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 7: being violated. So I came home. I did seven years

1031
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 7: in prison. I have a seven to fourteen means I

1032
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 7: either do seven or the maximum I could do is fourteen.

1033
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 7: So after I was released on my parole, that means

1034
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 7: I had seven years left on parole. So what happens

1035
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 7: is you have to not get into any trouble for

1036
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 7: seven years, and if you do, they can keep violating

1037
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 7: you based on the amount of time that you have.

1038
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 7: So if you're on parole right and you get violated,

1039
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 7: you do a year good, and now you get into trouble,

1040
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 7: they can give you two years in prison. The maximum

1041
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 7: they can give you two years every time, and they

1042
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 7: can keep doing that until you get to your maximum day.

1043
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: So that seven years could be like two to two

1044
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: and then one yeoh, you can just be doing.

1045
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 5: Good, nothing booming.

1046
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 7: We're gonna violate you three years or we're gonna max

1047
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 7: out on your Whatever they want to do for probation

1048
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 7: is different because they can continue keep starting your probation

1049
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 7: over probation period means that we're gonna suspend your sentence

1050
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 7: for five years, but you can't get into any trouble

1051
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 7: within that five years, and if you do, we get

1052
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 7: start it.

1053
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 5: All the way over again.

1054
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: And trouble can be any anything, any form. That's why

1055
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: the Meek Mill thing was, it was he's a celebrity,

1056
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: he's a you know, one of the top rappers.

1057
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 6: So that really highlighted.

1058
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: But there's millions of stories like that for even word,

1059
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: even a Nipsey Hustle situation. Rest in peace. But remember

1060
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: the guy that was just there and he got arrested.

1061
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: Let him out be because it was so ridiculous, But

1062
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: he literally got shot and he got arrested. He got

1063
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: shot and got arrested because he was around felon. He's

1064
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: in the presence of a felon h So it's like,

1065
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, It's like he's going to

1066
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: get closed that Nipsey was supposed to have given him

1067
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: because he just came home from during twenty years in

1068
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 2: jail and he gets shot his first day home and

1069
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: he gets incarcerated the same night. You know what I'm

1070
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 2: saying just speaks to that, Like as far as the

1071
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 2: criminal justice reformed, do you think that that that should

1072
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: because I don't think that that's talked about enough as

1073
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: far as the financial Do you think like that there

1074
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: should be pressure on companies like I feel like no

1075
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: company should be able to benefit from a prisoner like

1076
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: that should be in a bill like you you can't

1077
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: have prison labor like.

1078
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 7: But you to say that it is to not understand

1079
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 7: that that's what this country is built. We built on slavery.

1080
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 7: They just figured out a new way to call it.

1081
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 7: Like we came here, came here as work, as slaves.

1082
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 7: We came here as slaves, and we.

1083
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 5: Did all of the labor. You know, we were to

1084
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 5: come out of it.

1085
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 7: So they figured out when it ended, slavery just figured

1086
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 7: out how do we continue to justify it. I put

1087
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 7: it in my phone as the French up. They don't

1088
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 7: call you slaves no more. They call you prim you

1089
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying. So now it's in the it's

1090
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 7: in the constitution. Slavery is illegal or less when you

1091
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 7: get arrested. So that means now they've legalize slavery. So

1092
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 7: in order for the country to continue to it's built

1093
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Speaker 7: on capitalism.

1094
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 5: So capitalism has to flourish.

1095
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 7: The reason why capitalism flourishes is because there has to

1096
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 7: be a group of people that can just continue to

1097
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 7: feed the upper edge of them in jail.

1098
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 5: Is the way the lower class are gonna do crimes.

1099
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 7: They're gonna die, they're gonna they're gonna spend all their money.

1100
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 7: And and that is how the other people stay rich.

1101
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 7: They figure out ways to continue to profit. They're not

1102
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 7: gonna spend their money, so they figure out ways to

1103
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 7: profit off of you.

1104
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 5: So for them, for you to say they gonna.

1105
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 7: Write in the Constitution if they can't make money the

1106
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 7: way that they make money, it ain't that gonna make

1107
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 7: sense to them. That's why they That's why when when

1108
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 7: you hear that's why they try to get rid over.

1109
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 7: But that's why they Immediately Barama was trying to end all.

1110
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 7: Obama was trying to end all what you call. He

1111
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 7: was trying to end the prisons. He was trying to

1112
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 7: end private prisons. And when he when he they immediately

1113
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 7: stopped at you know, see what I'm saying. He was trying

1114
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 7: to end privates. Like now we stopped in that. You know,

1115
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 7: that was his job, like we don't want no more

1116
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 7: private prisons. Trump got board in office, private prison stopped

1117
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 7: up because the goal was.

1118
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 5: You know, what I'm saying. So even so.

1119
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 7: When they do this prison reform, it's a strategy prison reform, Right, Okay,

1120
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 7: we're gonna say, we're gonna let we're gonna let the

1121
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 7: non violent prisoners out. We're gonna let people who got drugs,

1122
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 7: We're gonna let them out warm. We're gonna make sure

1123
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 7: that everybody who commits something that we call violence just

1124
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 7: never comes home.

1125
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 5: And we're gonna create.

1126
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 7: Situations to where violence is inevitable, you know, saying so

1127
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 7: we're gonna create. Now, we got a pandemic with we

1128
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 7: know the communities in our communities is gonna be broken.

1129
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 7: They're gonna be hit the hardest. It's gonna be a

1130
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 7: couple of dudes they got it and others who don't.

1131
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 7: So after this pandemic, it's gonna be a hot summer.

1132
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 7: It's no activities, no clubs to go to. There's no parties,

1133
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 7: there's no sports. You just outside in the heat all day. Kids,

1134
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 7: is gonna get it.

1135
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 5: The crime, the crime raid is gonna Scott Scott wide.

1136
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: In New York City. They you know, they're getting rid

1137
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: of Rock and Island. They're putting a prison on East Borough.

1138
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 3: That's the proposal.

1139
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

1140
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: It's crazy because I never hear about new schools being

1141
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: built in these boroughs.

1142
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 4: But that is a headline. Man. I mean, I know

1143
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 4: you do work in the schools. What's your thoughts.

1144
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 7: They don't build schools, you know what I'm saying. Most

1145
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 7: of these schools is the school to prison plapeliners. Most

1146
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 7: of these schools look like prisons. You know, I've been

1147
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 7: in prison. Most of these schools are pretty much models

1148
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 7: for for you preparing our kids from prison.

1149
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 4: That's crazy. You said that.

1150
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: I had It's crazy and he's don't remember the story.

1151
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 3: When I was in the Bronx, I was teaching. I

1152
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 3: had Shoty come speak for career day and soon he

1153
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: went through the metal detector and say, Yo.

1154
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 4: What the hell is this Like?

1155
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: Literally, it looked like the forty seven precinct, like the

1156
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: blue paint, the bars, the metal detectors, security walking around everywhere.

1157
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, damn, this is real, Like people.

1158
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 3: I don't think people really understand that that school to

1159
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 3: prison pipeline suspending kids, not providing them with adequate education,

1160
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: so they're more likely to not even go to school,

1161
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: so they're back on the streets and what's gonna happen.

1162
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 4: They gonna feed the beasts.

1163
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 5: Man, that's the reality.

1164
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 7: That's what is important that they see people like you

1165
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 7: and meet in these schools because we.

1166
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 5: Are able to identify with that reality.

1167
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 7: We are able to identify with the fact that you're young,

1168
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 7: you're energetic, you don't really see the need in school.

1169
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 7: You fidgety, you want to see girls, you want money,

1170
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 7: and we able to redirect that. We able to make

1171
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 7: these classrooms comfortable and fun enough to where the average.

1172
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 5: Person don't want to come.

1173
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 7: I'm gonna go there because oh, he gonna be there,

1174
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 7: and that's my cool teacher. Let me go to make

1175
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 7: sure I bought this class you.

1176
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 5: Know, see what I'm saying.

1177
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 7: We saw create institutions that reflect what our culture is.

1178
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 7: We don't learn the same way everybody else. We don't

1179
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 7: want to sit at the desk and look at chalkboarding

1180
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 7: right now. We want to be moving around, We want

1181
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 7: to have activities. If we created institutions that taught us

1182
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 7: the way that we learn based on act, That's one

1183
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 7: of the things that that that Kanye was saying when

1184
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 7: he did that that meeting with Trump, and he was

1185
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 7: sitting and he's like, Yo, what if we had schools

1186
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 7: where they learned through basketball, When they taught you through that,

1187
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 7: you would schools would be more fun, it would be

1188
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 7: appealing to us. That's how we They created a whole

1189
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 7: structure that fits how Europeans learn and told us we

1190
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 7: have to acclimate to that. That's not who we are.

1191
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 7: Like you, if you create a school and you create

1192
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 7: a structure that's for us, by us that we understand

1193
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 7: how to teach us, we understand you know the best

1194
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 7: to appeal to the attributes to each individual.

1195
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, you would see higher levels

1196
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 5: of people going.

1197
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 7: To school and the school instead they create some ship

1198
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 7: that they know that we a it's not for us.

1199
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: It's tough because, like I said, man, education is important,

1200
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: but a lot of people, especially in our community, don't

1201
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: aspire to be in education. They don't aspire to be teachers.

1202
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 3: It's not enough money, you know what I'm saying. Like

1203
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 3: we grow up, it's like y'all want I want to

1204
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 3: be this, I want to be a rapper. I want

1205
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 3: to Nobody aspires to be in education when everybody that

1206
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 3: you talk to has started there, you know what I mean.

1207
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 3: So it's important like you said, for you to be

1208
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 3: in schools myself, Shotty, coming into schools is support because

1209
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: the representation they may not see you again, they may

1210
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 3: not see like for one time.

1211
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 4: Only they may see you and say like, wait, I

1212
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: could be that. I mean that is super important.

1213
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 5: You can see it to be.

1214
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: So we talked about the economics of prison, but that's

1215
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: only half of the conversation because even when you come out,

1216
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: there's a whole economic play behind that. Right, it's like

1217
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 2: being in a halfway house and they get paid per

1218
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 2: bed and then it's like you got to give a

1219
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: portion of your paycheck back to the state. And I

1220
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: know you had a program helping people out with their credit,

1221
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 2: because it's the whole thing. Like when you come out

1222
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 2: of jail, you don't have a license, you don't passport credit,

1223
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: you don't have any credit history, you can't rent an apartment.

1224
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: So now it's like you can't get a job a

1225
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: lot of times, especially if you have a felony. So

1226
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: the economic is not like, Okay, you just did a

1227
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 2: few years in jail, now you're back to being normal. Now,

1228
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: it's the whole economic play off of that, And it's like,

1229
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: so can you talk about that, like getting out of jail.

1230
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: How's that process as far as, like I said, like

1231
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: building your credit and stuff like that.

1232
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 7: That process is if you don't if you're not in

1233
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 7: the know, you don't have around you that can educate you.

1234
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 7: You know, especially right now, we understand that if you

1235
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 7: don't have credits, you don't have nothing.

1236
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 5: You know.

1237
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 7: So a lot of these dudes coming home and into

1238
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 7: more money, and they got cash getting them with cash,

1239
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 7: you can't get an apartment, you can't do anything, you know,

1240
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 7: So that transition is is different. Especially it depends on

1241
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 7: when you how long have you been in prison. This

1242
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 7: dude's just coming home now and been in jail twenty

1243
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 7: twenty five years, you know, so they trying to figure out,

1244
00:56:58,400 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 7: like what do we do next?

1245
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 5: How we do this? In that process is slow, it's

1246
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 5: it's different.

1247
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 6: You know.

1248
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 7: I was blessed enough to have people to put me

1249
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 7: to see, hell, we're gonna get your cell phone, and

1250
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 7: you gotta do this, you know, because when I when

1251
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 7: I left there, I barely had a cell phone. I

1252
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 7: had one of the first cell phones and in the

1253
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 7: two way, so it.

1254
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 5: Wasn't it was. It was way different.

1255
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 7: So when I came home and it was you know,

1256
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 7: cell phone, and we had to get an Instagram and

1257
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 7: I had to get what was it my Space? I

1258
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 7: came home with my Space. I was blessed enough to

1259
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 7: have people that.

1260
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 5: Put you any thing.

1261
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 7: So it's it's a lot to readjust yourself to in prison,

1262
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 7: and a lot of times people don't, and they become

1263
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 7: institutionalized because it's easier to live in prison because they

1264
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 7: can do things for you.

1265
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 5: You get three miles. All you gotta do is we

1266
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 5: state greens.

1267
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 7: You know, if you're a person who don't have no family,

1268
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 7: no nothing, they don't have no support system, then it's easier.

1269
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 7: Or even if it's not easier, you you don't mind

1270
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 7: going to prison. You're like, I'm gonna go home. I'm

1271
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 7: gonna throw a brick. I'm robbing this. Either'm gonna get

1272
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 7: a million. If not, then I'm just gonna come back here.

1273
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 7: I know I'm good here, I'm gonna get three meals

1274
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 7: and I'm just gonna be chilling.

1275
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 5: And you know how to I know the CEO's here.

1276
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 7: My name is heavy into jail like some people have,

1277
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 7: that's become their life and they institutionalize and they can't

1278
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 7: survive outside because it's not it's moving too fast, or

1279
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 7: they don't know how to adjust, they don't have nobody

1280
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 7: to help them adjust, and they realize that, you know.

1281
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 5: So that's what they call people being institutionalized.

1282
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 7: You see a lot of dudes that come out you

1283
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 7: probably know them, that they'd be out.

1284
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 5: For a week or two and you be like, damn this,

1285
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 5: they're going back to jail again.

1286
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's like and it's like what he did, like

1287
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 8: howie And you don't get it, but he he got

1288
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 8: in his mind that he can't survive out here, you

1289
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying, rather than say that he just

1290
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 8: gonna do something that's so outlanded and then go to jail,

1291
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 8: you know.

1292
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 5: And and and that's what it creates.

1293
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: So you know, I wanted to have this conversation to

1294
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 2: raise awareness, but we never want to leave anything on

1295
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:14,479
Speaker 2: a damp or note.

1296
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 6: So what is there?

1297
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: Because the whole point of what you're doing as far

1298
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: as activist is to create change, right So now it's

1299
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: like the first part I think for people to be

1300
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: inspired to make change is to actually be aware of

1301
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: what's going on, because a lot of people just are

1302
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: are ignorant to that fact. And not ignorant in a

1303
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 2: bad way. They just don't know, right, and and that's

1304
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: really a good thing. It's like, you know, you shouldn't

1305
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 2: know what jail is like hopefully you don't. You never

1306
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Speaker 2: have to go to jail. But it's like now hopefully

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Speaker 2: people are a little bit more educated on what's going on. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so what is some in your opinion, what are some

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Speaker 2: solutions that we of course there's a political solution where

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Speaker 2: you know, there's different ideas in place to like take

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Speaker 2: the fel and thing awful job application and yeah, so

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Speaker 2: how can the average person or how can as a

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Speaker 2: community or as a country as a world make this

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Speaker 2: thing better? Is it through political action? Is it through

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Speaker 2: like what's what's what's some of the avenues?

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Speaker 7: There's so many different avenues. I want to shout out

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Speaker 7: my brother Jay Jordan. He lives in California and he

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Speaker 7: started a program called Tim Done.

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Speaker 4: We know Jay Jordan.

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Speaker 6: We spoke to him and watch watch Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: we spoke to him.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, Jays

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Speaker 7: he's out there doing the Times Done. Like the last

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Speaker 7: time I was with Nipsey, we did a concert with

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Speaker 7: Times Done.

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Speaker 5: That Jay had put together.

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Speaker 7: You know, it was probably like four or five months

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Speaker 7: before Nipsey passed away. And so anyway, he's doing the

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Speaker 7: times in concert I mean Time Done initiative where basically,

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Speaker 7: after you serve your time, after.

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Speaker 5: A certain amount of time, you.

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Speaker 7: Get to get your your your record a sponge, you know,

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Speaker 7: completely exponge.

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Speaker 5: Because what happens just the stigma of being a felon.

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Speaker 5: You know you can it's over. It says over three

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Speaker 5: thousand jobs that you can't have.

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Speaker 7: It's like a letter yea, you know the things jobs.

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Speaker 7: You can't be a barber, you can't be a dog walker,

1339
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Speaker 7: you can't be a babies, like certain certain things you

1340
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 7: just can't be at all if you if you if

1341
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 7: you have a you know, a felony. So he's working

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Speaker 7: to get those. I think they're pat They're about to

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Speaker 7: pass it in California, and like initiatives like that, we

1344
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 7: have to support those type of initiatives.

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Speaker 5: We got to look at those, bring them over here.

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Speaker 5: We also have to we have to as.

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Speaker 7: Individuals stop stigmatizing each other. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 7: because it's easy, you know, like even when I'm watching

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Speaker 7: this a ma Aubrey case, right, And it's it's people

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Speaker 7: that where we come from. It's like that trying to

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01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 7: justify this man being killed. Like I've heard people like,

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Speaker 7: well he shooted did this? Or or he walked into

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 7: this abandoned house. Oh that's what so you telling me

1354
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 7: me walking into a house where they do a construction

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Speaker 7: justifies you killing me like that that makes sense to you?

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Speaker 7: Oh well, what was he doing? It don't matter if you.

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Speaker 5: Thought he was trespassing, Give him a ticket for trespassing.

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Speaker 7: But what is this man the right to approach him

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Speaker 7: with a gun and and and shoot him?

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Speaker 5: And they said he wasn't he wouldn't comply. We who

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Speaker 5: are you to.

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Speaker 3: A random person driving down the street with a shotgun

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Speaker 3: pointed at me?

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Speaker 5: And I'm st to comply to you?

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Speaker 7: Like this is the mindset and us as if some

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Speaker 7: of us have adopted it. We're dealing with, you know,

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Speaker 7: we're dealing with Stockholm syndrome, in which we start to

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Speaker 7: identify and love the people.

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Speaker 5: Who oppressident.

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Speaker 7: We had to stop that, like we we can't get

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Speaker 7: bored or credits the ship that don't make sense like

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Speaker 7: you can't when we when we saying yo, it's a

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Speaker 7: million people in prison, and in prison is probably the

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Speaker 7: biggest population that can be effected from the coronavirus, and

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Speaker 7: they can die easier to anybody because she's like a

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Speaker 7: Petri dish.

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Speaker 5: You know, understand that. And people I don't care they

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Speaker 5: did a crime.

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Speaker 7: You don't know what nobody did that's in prison and

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Speaker 7: they're not saying to death. Why would you be okay

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Speaker 7: with just sacrificing those people lives, their fathers, they husbands,

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Speaker 7: they brothers to people like, we have to start humanizing

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Speaker 7: people who get incarcerated, because some people get in cans

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Speaker 7: ready to come home and they do brilliant things. Some

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01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 7: people don't even belong in prison. Every day we find

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Speaker 7: out that somebody's conviction is overturned.

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Speaker 5: So we have to take.

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Speaker 7: That stigma and that that false narrative that everybody that's

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Speaker 7: inside of prison is just trash.

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Speaker 2: And the reality is that the vast majority of people

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01:03:55,320 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: have has done something that at some point, big or small,

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01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 2: you've done something in your life where if a cop

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01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: was there and if write circumstances, you could have potentially

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Speaker 2: been in jail.

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Speaker 3: And I was gonna say, this is a living testament,

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Speaker 3: Like we've had a number of guests ONALSIA that have

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Speaker 3: been incarcerated and have come out to do amazing things,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So that's that's what the

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01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 3: importance of this is. Like what we said earlier is like, Yo,

1400
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 3: we got to see it and we got to keep

1401
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 3: highlighting stories like that.

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01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 4: So everybody that's.

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01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 3: Been in that situation or cans had somebody that is

1404
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: near that situation. It's like, Yo, no, it's not over,

1405
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 3: but there's plenty of opportunities out here for us.

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01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I taught a financial literacy class in jail. Shout out

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Speaker 2: to Tony Earl, My god. He you know, Tony's a

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01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: good dude. He had a jail a program in Rockland

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Speaker 2: County and I taught. And that was my first time

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Speaker 2: teaching financial literacy and jail teaching in school and stuff

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 2: like that, and I was pleasantly surprised. It was one

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: of the best experiences I had. Like they was all

1414
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 2: asking me questions, like they was like really paying attention.

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Speaker 6: They was really stupid.

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01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: A lot of them really knew a lot in regardless

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 2: stocks and cryptocurrency, like they were doing it like you

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So I say, I have to

1419
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: say it's like, don't look down on somebody just because

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: they're incarcerated, because everybody has an opportunity to change their life.

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01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: You don't know what they're incarcerated for, and regardless of anything,

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01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: is like, the whole point of being a human is

1423
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 2: to be a better person tomorrow than you were today,

1424
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: So we can't judge people. And yeah, it's like we

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01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: can't give up on people because you're giving up on

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01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: millions of people that can be doctors, scientists, lawyers, like

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01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: they can change the world. And it's like you said,

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 2: it's our best potential because we see that on earn

1429
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 2: your liege, a lot of a lot of from Caesar

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01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: djmv's partner, he's a real estate mobile and he was incarcerated,

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01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: and it's like, you know, that's just one of many

1432
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 2: people that we've had on. Some of the most brilliant

1433
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: people that we've had on have criminal backgrounds. So you know,

1434
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: it's important to highlight this and to really you know,

1435
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 2: even if it doesn't affect you, it affects you one

1436
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: way or another. You have a family member, you have

1437
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 2: somebody in your community that you know personally.

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 6: Everybody does. It's just it's impossible not to so mice, man.

1439
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 2: Appreciate I appreciate you taking your time out to kick

1440
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: it with us. Like I said, you know something that

1441
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 2: we wanted to do for a while. So I'm glad that.

1442
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad we had an opportunity to talk about this.

1443
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 5: I'm glad to have it. Man, this is a dope conversation,

1444
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 5: good energy. Man. Hopefully somebody hear this and take heed

1445
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 5: to this.

1446
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 7: Man. Understand that we're all human, man, you know, we

1447
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 7: all go to ups and downs. You make mistakes, sometimes

1448
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 7: you make the wrong term. Some of us are blessed enough.

1449
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 7: You know that our mistakes didn't turn out to be tragic.

1450
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 7: They didn't land us in prison, you know, so we

1451
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 7: should be we should be blessed for that and try

1452
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 7: to pay it forward, you know, because understanding that we

1453
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 7: could at some point, we probably could have ended up

1454
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 7: on the opposite. So, you know, don't look down on

1455
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 7: your brothers. Man, give him a hand, lift them up.

1456
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: Prayers up to everybody that that's incarcerated, family, friends, brothers

1458
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 3: and sisters that are fighting coronavirus inside of prison. That's

1459
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: a real situation that I don't think people really understand. Right,

1460
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 3: we were on the outside like complain like, Yo, we

1461
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 3: can't go and we can't leave a house. But we're

1462
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 3: talking about a place where it's overcrowded already. There's no

1463
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 3: way to social distances. It's a real situation. So prayers

1464
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 3: up to everybody that is fighting that and facing that

1465
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 3: right now.

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 2: I was watching CNBC yesterday and they said they were saying,

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Speaker 2: like some of the prisons, like the population, how muchy

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01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 2: people have crazy marrying Marrying Indiana and that's like a

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Speaker 2: real well known prison. I think it's like underground. Eighty

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Speaker 2: five percent of the prison population has Corona.

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Speaker 3: In Texas, same thing, they tested twenty four hundred inmates,

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Speaker 3: seventy five percent tested positive.

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Speaker 6: It's that's that's crazy crazy.

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01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 2: And obviously there's underlying health issues with people that are

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01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:53,960
Speaker 2: incarcerated and a lot of people probably gonna die health issues.

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, the fact that it is not come for oxygen, right,

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 5: I don't understanding.

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Speaker 7: If you look, you look at the numbers from the

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01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 7: coronavirus and you're looking with most of the people, the

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01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,560
Speaker 7: mortality rate is highest in places where people are inside

1481
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 7: looking own folks homes and things like that, where people

1482
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 7: are trapped inside oka when you look at a prison,

1483
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 7: that's it's nothing else. You inhaling the same ears. Somebody's

1484
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 7: breathing all day. It's not like no frushating windows.

1485
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 2: Nowhere, same shower, shame toilet, like public space. It's like

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of the population and that person has

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,599
Speaker 2: corona Like that Really surprised.

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01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, that's how do you how do you

1489
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 3: stop one hundred percent from getting it? And it doesn't

1490
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: just stop with the prisoners, because you have CEOs that

1491
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: are in the prison that go home to their families

1492
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 3: that now bring it, you know what I'm saying.

1493
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: So it's like a real situation.

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01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: I don'tly think people are fully grasping the magnitude of.

1495
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 6: Out Yeah, it's an issue.

1496
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: But anything you want to make the public aware of,

1497
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: any initiatives you got going on, any music too.

1498
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 6: We ain't get a chance to talk about music, but

1499
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Speaker 6: I know you still you still spar still.

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Speaker 2: We didn't get a heare to talk about that, But

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01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: any projects that you're working on, anything you want to

1502
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 2: make the public.

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01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 7: Well, my project been out for a couple of months.

1504
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 7: I did so now for sales. Probably my favorite mixtape

1505
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 7: that I did in a long time. So I would

1506
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 7: advise you to go download. I just wrote this new

1507
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 7: children's book, I Know My Rights. It's important, especially based

1508
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 7: on what we were talking about now it's talking about

1509
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 7: the Bill Rights. I broke down the first ten amendments

1510
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 7: of the Bill of Rights, and you know too for

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01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 7: children from like age eight unto high schools. It's really

1512
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 7: a family orientated book. A lot of adults read it

1513
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 7: and say that I broke down the amendments to them

1514
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 7: because they didn't even really understand them. So it's a

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 7: book that, you know, shout out to McBride Publishing for partnering.

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Speaker 5: What we were with the book is so dope.

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 7: Where can we purchase You could purchase it on Amazon

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01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 7: and had so many different like the animation on it

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