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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We have

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Speaker 1: an awesome show on tap for you today. Besides my

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Speaker 1: partner in crime, Jefferson White, I am so excited to

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Speaker 1: speak to the amazing new addition to the Yellowstone family

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Speaker 1: CMTS Breakout Artist of the Year and six times CMA

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Speaker 1: Award nominee, the amazing Lany Wilson. So stand by and

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Speaker 1: we will be right back with you. Hey, Jeff, Hey, Jed.

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Speaker 1: I want you to I'm here to do my weekly

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Speaker 1: check in on your muscles.

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Speaker 2: Bigger than ever, better than ever. My main issue right

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Speaker 2: now is sleep hygiene. Everybody who's serious into bodybuilding a

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Speaker 2: fitness says you have to get your sleep right, and

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Speaker 2: that's been hard for me because I've been traveling. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of traveling, we've recorded three episodes of this podcast together,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think you've been in the same state

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Speaker 2: for any two episodes.

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Speaker 1: I haven't, not physically or mentally. I find that my

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Speaker 1: physical travel mimics my emotional state. I am currently in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. I'm here to watch the Junior World Finals.

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Speaker 1: I've made some friends with some young bull riders and

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Speaker 1: I'm here to cheer them on and see what this

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Speaker 2: That's incredible. So now you know you're deep in it,

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Speaker 2: h Yellowstone, You're getting deeper and deeper, digging deeper and

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Speaker 2: deeper into the rodeo world.

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Speaker 1: That is correct. I have my manager and producing partner

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Speaker 1: here with me, and he is so new to this,

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Speaker 1: and you can tell that he lives a life where

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Speaker 1: safety is just sort of assumed. And Jeff, you know that,

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Speaker 1: like anytime you're dealing with animals and you're in the

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Speaker 1: cowboy world, safety is not assumed anymore. So a gate

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Speaker 1: opened by accident while one kid was riding and the

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Speaker 1: bowl was careening towards him as the gate opened, and

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Speaker 1: I sort of grabbed my manager by the scruff of

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's some cowboy shit right there.

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Speaker 1: It's some cowboy shit.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you guys are having a bit of

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Speaker 2: a JD in summer moment, your JD. He's summer and

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Speaker 2: you're sort of you're showing him you're a little window

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Speaker 2: into your life. Does that feel fair to say it does?

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Speaker 1: I wish we had a visual side by side right

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Speaker 1: now for the audience so they could look at Nate

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Speaker 1: and Piper and see that the two humans couldn't look

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Speaker 1: more different. Jeff, you're traveling a lot as well. You're

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Speaker 1: on a plane today. I can't say as much. You

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Speaker 1: were just in Chicago. I was on a plane today

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Speaker 1: shooting a show Chicago p D. Yeah, I'm working on

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: It's about as different from Yellowstone as possible. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot of sitting and talking as opposed to riding and falling,

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Speaker 2: so it's a really nice little refresher, but it also

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Speaker 2: makes me hungry to get back into Yellowstone. Speaking of which,

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Speaker 2: absolutely breathtaking new episode this week, couldn't like truly my

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Speaker 2: favorite episode of the season so far, and top five

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Speaker 2: favorite episodes ever.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I couldn't agree more. I was it

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Speaker 1: was my favorite episode when we read it, for sure,

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Speaker 1: for one scene in particular that did not fail to

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Speaker 1: meet my expectations. Potentially a more disastrous family dinner than

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Speaker 1: anything I've ever had at home, even a worse than

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Speaker 1: any worst Thanksgiving I've ever had, About as.

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Speaker 2: Bad as you can possibly imagine it going. You can

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Speaker 2: tell we'll get to it. We'll get to it, we'll

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Speaker 2: start out like the episode itself. We will craft some momentum.

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Speaker 2: We'll start at the beginning, and we'll build to that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all of those actors are so phenomenal, and it

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Speaker 2: it shows the JD rip. They've been doing this for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they both have such difficult pasts, right, Both Beth

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Speaker 1: Today, totally. And we've hit on this before, but when

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Speaker 2: It's all so immediate, you're so right, and it is

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Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I missed an opportunity in that scene I

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Speaker 2: season two. You know, that's dwelling on the past, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. I think I think you nailed

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Speaker 2: So so much of this episode revolves around this tradition

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's this wonderful dichotomy. You get the sense

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Speaker 2: It has a sort of you know, ever since Summer

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Speaker 1: that exchange when when she says that he says that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is such a beautiful moment, and between these

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Speaker 2: you know. Jimmy had some of these moments too, where

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Speaker 2: once Carter managed to Carter managed to have a nice,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Taylor does this amazing, this really wonderful

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Speaker 1: I have to say, as somebody who has a very

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Speaker 2: That's pretty rough. Yeah, you know who's the least judgmental

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Speaker 2: He's not judgmental, but he is specific about what he's

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Speaker 2: about your lettuce varietals? And they'll be like, bro, this

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Speaker 1: I feel like I watched Denims slowly starve to death

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Speaker 2: There really is, And every time I'm with it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We have lettuce. But we have lettuce. But we battered

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Speaker 2: Like that's my little cat? Can you hear him? He

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Speaker 1: With somebody holding a woman hostage?

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Speaker 2: In No, no, no, I'm not gin No, I'm not

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Speaker 1: I really want to meet that cat. I'm so allergic.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about Beth's handling of summer?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's something about summer that really reverts Beth

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Speaker 1: She usually, no, the cat loves this part of the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she is about to go on this gathering

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Speaker 2: You really are. Yeah, we've seen we've seen the men

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Speaker 1: Have you tried hitting?

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Speaker 2: Have you tried hitting?

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Speaker 1: Have you tried hitting?

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Speaker 2: It's so funny that the Outsiders every time somebody new

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Speaker 1: You know, so totally.

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Speaker 2: Casey and Rip kind of had to fight it out,

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Speaker 2: We've seen this in some ways. There's a cathartic release

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Speaker 1: Totally. It's very different than what you and I do, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and or we sort of have it. I sort

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Speaker 2: Right now? Do you want to have a slug out?

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Speaker 2: A slugfest?

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying yes on air.

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Speaker 2: Next time I see you, we drop the gloves and

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Speaker 1: at this sort of you go, I go of it all,

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00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: and this it stops being fun and games. The fight

436
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: for me up to that point is like sort of

437
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: fun and exciting. And then to watch them take independent

438
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: blows at each other made my spine, you know, tremble

439
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: a bit. And then there's that amazing moment where Piper

440
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: is eventually down on the ground and Beth looks to

441
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: Rip like what do I do next? Because we're now

442
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: under his sort of fight choreography in a way, and

443
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: she sort of you know, takes his lead, and then

444
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: the Summer character starts sobbing. And I loved that moment

445
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: because I have had many experiences in my life where

446
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: I physically hit a limit and I just start sobbing.

447
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: And I usually start sobbing about everything that has ever

448
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: happened to me and everything that I'm trying to hold

449
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: on to.

450
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this kind of release in that moment, you know,

451
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 2: Summer has sum Are just spent a year in jail

452
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 2: because of Beth, because of John Dutton, because she got

453
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 2: wrapped up in this match. She just spent a year

454
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: in jail. So there's all of these pent up feelings,

455
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: this frustration, this anger, this pain, and it feels like

456
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: in this moment, Yeah, when she breaks down, she's not

457
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: just breaking down because she got hit. It feels like

458
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: all of this frustration really comes to a head. And Yeah,

459
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: there's a Catharsis in it. You know, there really is

460
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: a release there.

461
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they sort of walk back, They start

462
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: to walk back into that house like all right, it's

463
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: out of your system. Beth makes a snide remark and

464
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: then remembers, Oh, we're not doing that anymore. And Summer

465
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: talks about respect, about being treated with respect, and Beth says,

466
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: you'll be treated with you'll get back what you give.

467
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: And again there was a flash across Piper's face when

468
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: she played that moment, and it was awesome because she

469
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: sort of realized who she's been and what she's been doing. Yeah,

470
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: that for.

471
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: Sure goes both ways. I hope I think that Also,

472
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: it seems like in that fight, Summer really earns some

473
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: of Beth's respect because she does give as good as

474
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: she gets. She takes the hits and throws hits back.

475
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: So I it seems like in that moment those two

476
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: women really see each other clearly for the first time

477
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: with some of the layers of they're both very smart,

478
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: they both have very strong opinions. It feels like they

479
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: see each other on a deeper level at the end

480
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: of that sequence totally.

481
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: And then not much later in the episode, we find

482
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: them at the table again. Of course it looks like nighttime,

483
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: but it's pre dawn and there's breakfast, and everybody gets

484
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: up from the table to leave, and Summer looks so

485
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: lonely without them, And I just love the way Taylor

486
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: framed that.

487
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that is beautiful. There's this kind of

488
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: bonding that happens, there's these as contentious as those dinner

489
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: table scenes are, there's also a reason everybody comes back,

490
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: you know. There's this kind of profound bonding that they

491
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: represent too. So, yeah, like you said, now we're the

492
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: next morning. If you're going to wake up to go gather,

493
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: you're waking up long before the sun rises because you've

494
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 2: got a long ride ahead of you. And there's this

495
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: beautiful sort of montage of everybody getting ready and getting

496
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: ready to head out.

497
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a couple of great moments towards the

498
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: end where Monica says to summer. I guess if it

499
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: doesn't make you cry to see your family right away,

500
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: you shouldn't have a family. And of course some are

501
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: looking a bit for Clempton that moment, I feel like

502
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: she's suddenly for me in that moment that Duttons became

503
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: her family. And there's also that great moment with the

504
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: legend Buck Taylor. And for those of you who don't know,

505
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: Buck Taylor is a legend of the Western world, not

506
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: only as an actor but as an artist, and John

507
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: sort of what does he say to him, but basically

508
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: questions whether or not he's got another one in him,

509
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: and Buck Taylor says, I'll race your ass to the top, Governor.

510
00:30:51,160 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: And also just Buck Taylor saying ass is this interesting

511
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: thing in and of itself because he is just such

512
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: a gentle, artful man.

513
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: So absolutely one of my favorite episodes ever. Let's take

514
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna

515
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: be talking with Lanny Wilson. We want to welcome CMA

516
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two Female Vocalist of the Year and New

517
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: Artists of the Year. ACM's twenty twenty two New Female

518
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: Artists of the Year and now officially actor and our

519
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: dear friend, Laney Wilson.

520
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what an intro, What a dyang intro, Laney.

521
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: We feel so honored, so lucky to have you with

522
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: us today.

523
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: Dude, I'm so excited to be just hanging out with y'all,

524
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: Chett and it's going be fun. We got a lot

525
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: to catch up on.

526
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel Lenny, I feel like you're the busiest

527
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: person in America right now. I don't know how you

528
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: hold it all together.

529
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: Girl. I have probably slept in my bed in Nashville

530
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 3: a total of thirteen fourteen nights this year.

531
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable.

532
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: It's crazy, but it has been a hell of a ride,

533
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: and were just getting started.

534
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: Also, before we go any further, can I just say

535
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: that you're amazing on the show.

536
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 3: Thank you you are. I mean, I'm going to learn

537
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: from the best.

538
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: Well, You're naturally fantastic in a way that could make

539
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: a lot of seasoned actors annoyed, because you just know

540
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: how to do it, and you are so charismatic and

541
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: so detailed in every single scene that I've seen you in.

542
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: I appreciate that so much. I guess I will say

543
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: that even though I've never done anything like this. I mean,

544
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: this is my first rodeo with acting, but I guess

545
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: in a way, I do get on stage and act

546
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: certain nights because I mean, you know, there's days when

547
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 3: I have bad days and I don't feel like getting

548
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: up there and acting like you know, I'm there to

549
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 3: have a heck of a time or whatever. But it's

550
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: just a part of the job. So I guess I

551
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: kind of have been doing that in a way for years,

552
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: just a different way.

553
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 2: That's so interesting because obviously, I think something that I

554
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: admire so much about your music is that it's not

555
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: unambiguously happy. It's not just a sort of sugar coated

556
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: version of your life. It feels very true, it feels

557
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: very honest, and it also not to get to theoretical here,

558
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: but acting, it feels like, is in a lot of

559
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: ways about stripping away layers, stripping away masks, and sort

560
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: of revealing this kind of intimate truth beneath that.

561
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: For sure.

562
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: Can you just talk about your your songwriting process, how

563
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: you apply that to your experience on set. We just

564
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 2: talk about that a little, but I'm so.

565
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: Curious, absolutely so before I was an artist, before anything,

566
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: I was a songwriter. I mean, I wrote my first

567
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: song at nine years old, and I brought it to

568
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: my mama and it was a song called Lucky Me,

569
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,319
Speaker 3: and I sang it to her and I think she

570
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: kind of thought, oh, this is you know, just kind

571
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 3: of those one and done type things. But the next

572
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 3: week I brought her another one. The next week, I

573
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: brought her another one, and it just it really took

574
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: hold of me in my heart. And it was one

575
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: of those things where I felt like I had no

576
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: other option but to do it, because it really was

577
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: away from me to express myself. You know where I'm from.

578
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: I'm from northeast Louisiana, from a town of two hundred people.

579
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: Country music is life. I mean, we eat, sleep, and

580
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: breathe it. It is truly a way of life. We

581
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: lived out those songs. And so for me, writing country

582
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 3: music was really just me pulling back those layers and

583
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: me sharing the way that I grew up, in the

584
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 3: way that I was raised. And I tell you what,

585
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: I'm so thankful for songwriting because it has gotten me

586
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: through some hard times. It is my therapy and I

587
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: have really learned how to step outside of my comfort

588
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: zone with songwriting. I mean, especially when you're co writing

589
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: with people. You have to sit there and you have

590
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: to have to tell people the way that you really

591
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: feel about things, and then you kind of hear like

592
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: another angle, maybe you know a different side of the story,

593
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: and it makes you a more understanding person too. And

594
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: I feel like I've just learned a whole lot about

595
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 3: myself and about life in the writing room. And so

596
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 3: when it comes to this opportunity, you know, when Taylor

597
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 3: called me back in February, He's like, you know, I've

598
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: got this idea, he said, I want to create a

599
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: character specifically for you. I want you to pretty much

600
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: be yourself, you know, I want you to wear your

601
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 3: bell bottoms and sing your songs. And I said, I

602
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: can do that. You know, if anything, I have learned

603
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: that me being myself is I don't even know how

604
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: to put it. Let's see, you can try to be

605
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: everything else under the sun. I mean, when I moved

606
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: to Nashville, I saw all the things that were working.

607
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 3: I saw all the kind of music that was working.

608
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: But I have a lot of people in my corner

609
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: and in my life who remind me where I come

610
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: from and who I truly am. So I have a

611
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 3: really hard time being anything other than myself. So Jim,

612
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: when you said I look natural or whatever it was,

613
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 3: because I did. He gave me that opportunity just to

614
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: be myself. And so I'm excited though, to take on

615
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 3: another role of some sort later on down the road

616
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 3: and give it a try. And you know, maybe I'll

617
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: try something without this thick accent. We'll see what happens.

618
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: But it's been such a cool opportunity that Lenny do.

619
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: People compare you energetically in ways to Dolly Parton all.

620
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: The time, and as the best compliment that anybody can

621
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: give me us like the fat of the sun, the

622
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit, Dolly Parton period.

623
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: You know, it's so interesting. It feels like part of

624
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 2: what people respond to with Yellowstone is this feeling of authenticity.

625
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: You know, you're describing growing up in Louisiana really sort

626
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: of living the culture and the lifestyle that you're singing

627
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: about about, you know, writing in your songs about your

628
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: authentic lived experience. I think that's also part of what

629
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: people respond to with Yellowstone because a lot of these stories,

630
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: a lot of these struggles, a lot of this culture

631
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: and this history are real and are coming from a

632
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: place of tremendous authenticity because they're coming from Taylor, somebody

633
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: who grew up in this world, and he has seeded

634
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: throughout the show people just like you from backgrounds that

635
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: make it feel so real. So I'm thinking of, you know,

636
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: Ryan Bingham, who similarly has a character that's written for

637
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: him that nobody else could play but him. I'm thinking

638
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: of Moe brings Plenty, who plays the character Moe, who

639
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: has a character that has written for him that nobody

640
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: else could play. We spoke last week with Piper Perabo,

641
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: who plays Summer, who has a part written exactly for her.

642
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: So I think that it can't help but sort of

643
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: permeate throughout the whole environment on set and then throughout

644
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: the whole experience for the viewer that in many cases,

645
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 2: the people telling this story, the story of Yellowstone, are

646
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: telling a true story from their own lives. Yeah, it's such.

647
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: A fascinating thing.

648
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, podas ask.

649
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: So you start out in one place, you know, writing

650
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: these songs just for yourself. You're nine years old. It's

651
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 2: a quiet, intimate space for you to express yourself. Now

652
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: flash forward it's twenty twenty two. You are forgive me.

653
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to embarrass you. You are a rock star,

654
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 2: you're a music star, you are a famous sensation in

655
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: this world. And that's a little bit like the phenomenon

656
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 2: of going on to this set. You know, you're supposed

657
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: to play yourself, You're supposed to sort of have this quiet,

658
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: intimate moment with Ian Bowen, who plays Ryan. But being

659
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: on set is not quiet and intimate. There's fucking three

660
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: hundred people standing around pointing one hundred thousand dollars supercomputers

661
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 2: at you. So you can sort of have a quiet, cute,

662
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: little moment. How do you stay yourself? How do you

663
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: hold on to that authentic core when these big, like exciting,

664
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: sort of huge forces are swirling around you.

665
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: I will say the last three or so years, I

666
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, even during the pandemic, I spent

667
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: so much time like behind a camera, whether it was

668
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: my own cell phone or doing something else just to

669
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: put on social media. I feel like I almost forced

670
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: myself to get comfortable with it. And over the last

671
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 3: two years or so, I feel like I've done so

672
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: many like interviews, and I've noticed that the things that

673
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 3: people relate to and latch onto are the moments when

674
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 3: I am being one hundred and ninety percent real and

675
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: genuine to myself. Even if I say something that kind

676
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 3: of makes your eyebrows raise or makes your skin crawl

677
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 3: a little bit, like at the end of the day,

678
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: at least I made you feel something, right, So I

679
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 3: will say, whenever I showed up to set, I mean,

680
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect. I knew that I

681
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: had met a few of y'all during twenty twenty when

682
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 3: I came up and I played the little acoustics show

683
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: for the cast and crew during the pandemic, and I

684
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: knew that the folks that I had met then they

685
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: were super nice. But I'll be honest, I thought for

686
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: a second, I was like, I mean, these people could

687
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 3: literally be like, who is this girl coming up in

688
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: here acting like she'd been acting her whole like girl,

689
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 3: go back home. I didn't know, because I'll be honest,

690
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: if somebody was trying to come up into my you know,

691
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 3: like get on stage and act like she was a

692
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: singer or whatever.

693
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: That's funny. You should mention it. I actually have some

694
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: songs i'd like to play for you if you don't mind.

695
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 1: They're beautiful.

696
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 3: Hey, you know what I love different No, but everybody

697
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: made me feel so welcome, and a lot of people,

698
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: you know, they were fans of my music and I

699
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: was fans of theirs, and so it was just this

700
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: like mutual respect that we had for each other, and

701
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: it just made me feel comfortable. And you know, Taylor,

702
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: I think maybe saw something to me before I even

703
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 3: saw it in myself. And I don't take that lightly.

704
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: I appreciate that very much. And it's given me the

705
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: courage to step outside of my comfort zone and try

706
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: new things. And I think, at the end of the day,

707
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: if you're not doing that, then you're not growing. And

708
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: I want to grow to it. I want to. I

709
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: want to try new things. I want to be better.

710
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: I want to I want to do things that are scary.

711
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 2: It's also it's true, correct me if I'm wrong. I

712
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 2: think you have four original songs that are being featured

713
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: in this season of Yellowstone. You know, these songs that

714
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: you are writing and performing. It also is such a

715
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: gift to the show. It feels like such an honor

716
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: for us that your story is so intimately lining up

717
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 2: with this huge story, and it feels like such a

718
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 2: sort of gift that to have those songs on the show.

719
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: What does that feel like for you? These stories about

720
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: your own life going out to an audience of I

721
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: don't know, like one hundred and eighty million people or

722
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: some insane statistics.

723
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. There's some folks back at home

724
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 3: now that I'm in Yellowstone, They're like, oh, you really

725
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: are making it now, they tell I'm like, is that

726
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: what it took? Is that what it took? It's huge,

727
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: It really is huge. You could not plan for this

728
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: to happen, and this to line up with a way

729
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: that my music career is going right now, and any

730
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: opportunity I have to share my music with the world,

731
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: sign me up.

732
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: You know.

733
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: I mean, no matter what, songwriting is always going to

734
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: be my number one because that's what has given me

735
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: opportunities to begin with, and that's my roots. But it

736
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: is so cool to even think about that nine year

737
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: old little girl who was writing their first song, and

738
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't writing things that were completely true

739
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 3: to myself because I was writing about to killing cigarettes

740
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: and we didn't even have to killing cigarettes at the house.

741
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 3: So but to think that I have, you know, I

742
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,720
Speaker 3: have dove in and I have shown that vulnerable side

743
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: to me. And written songs about my personal life and

744
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: I get to share that with a huge audience. Is

745
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: it's scary, but also there's a sense of freedom that

746
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: comes along with it. And I hope people can can

747
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: hear these songs and think like, dang, you know, she

748
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: wrote the song for me. I just I want people

749
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: to to feel like I wrote my music for them

750
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: and their story and the way that they feel, and

751
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: I want them to feel like they're not a lot.

752
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I can tell you that your music does

753
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: feel that way, and I feel that way when I

754
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: listen to your music, and I love being a fan

755
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: of somebody who I like so much. I have a

756
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 1: question about your music style, and just your personal style

757
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: is so unique in a mashup of so many things.

758
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: And one of the things I thought about when I

759
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: first saw you and met you was just icon. You

760
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: just are an icon. And I wonder if you always

761
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: were comfortable mashing these sort of different genres together, or

762
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: if there was a moment in your career when you

763
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: tried to fit into a box a little bit more

764
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: and went, well, screw it, nobody wants me in that box.

765
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do whatever the hell I want.

766
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 3: When I moved to Nashville in twenty eleven, I didn't

767
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: know anybody. There was this one guy from my home town, Basking,

768
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: who wanted to be a singer, songwriter, producer back in

769
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: the late seventies, and my grandfather had actually given him

770
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 3: a few hundred dollars to help you move to Nashville

771
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: and get started. So as a favor in return, he

772
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 3: let me park my camper trailer in his studio parking

773
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 3: lot for free for the first three years I was there,

774
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: and I would walk over to the studio every single

775
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: day and I'd write songs with him, and I mean

776
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: we wrote three hundred plus songs together. He's the one

777
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: that really taught me how to do that. And he

778
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 3: taught me how to put myself into the shoes of

779
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 3: whatever it is that we're writing about. I mean, we

780
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 3: could be written about this dang hair brush right here,

781
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 3: and he taught me how to like feel everything that

782
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: that hair brush was feeling. And I will say, the

783
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: kind of songs that I've been writing, the things that

784
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 3: I've been writing about my entire life, it's still the same.

785
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: I feel like, of course, I've kind of gotten to

786
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: the point where my give a damn is busted. I'm

787
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 3: just a little bit like what you see is what

788
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: you get. What I do now is what I did

789
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: years ago. Of course I have grown and I've become

790
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 3: a better songwriter and a better singer. But this has

791
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: been it. This truly has even when I first got

792
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 3: to Nashville. I don't know why it has taken me

793
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 3: so long, though, I feel like, you know, I've been

794
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 3: in Nashville for eleven years. I kind of feel like

795
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: a part of my story was supposed to be time.

796
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 3: I think people were supposed to hear my story and

797
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 3: you know think, Okay, well she's thirty years old and

798
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: it took her a lot longer than it took some folks,

799
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: but she stuck it out. And I hope people see

800
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: that if you keep your head down and you keep

801
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 3: your blinders on, and you roll your sleeves up like

802
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: there ain't nothing that you can accomplish, you just you

803
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: let you turn those nose into yes's and just go

804
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: get the dain thing yourself, because ain't nobody gonna hand

805
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 3: it to you.

806
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: I love that. I also got the sense while you

807
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 1: were talking that it wasn't about you that took time,

808
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: but it took. It took the music industry time to

809
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: catch up with you. That's what it was, an acquired

810
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: taste by everyone.

811
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm going to go days. No, I know that it

812
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: would have probably been a lot easier had I gone

813
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: another route and maybe did everything that was popular during

814
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 3: that time. And I could have done it, but I'm

815
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: way too hard headed. I know who I am, and

816
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, I've got way too many people

817
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 3: in my life who would be like Lane, that is

818
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 3: not you and quit acting like it is. So, yeah,

819
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: this is it, you know, if it all goes downhill tomorrow,

820
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 3: at least I could say that every part of this

821
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: was me being genuine to myself and to my Raisin

822
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 3: and my family.

823
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm going to get really la for a

824
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: second because you said hard headed. I'm a little obsessed

825
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: with astrology and you think I am. Aren't you a Capricorn?

826
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.

827
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: You're not. I thought you were a Capricorn. What are you?

828
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm a Taurus.

829
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: You're a Taurus. Okay, to what are you? Sign? Hard

830
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: headed bull? Taurus is my moon sign. I'm a Virgo,

831
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: so like I love me on Earth sign, and I

832
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: like I knew you or an earth sign. Sorry, guys,

833
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: thanks for thanks for indulging me in that.

834
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hard headed.

835
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Love it.

836
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: It's so funny. Yeah, because it's really like our whole job.

837
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: It's so refreshing talking to you, and it's so clear

838
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: how firmly you stand in yourself and have such a

839
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: sort of clear distinct idea of yourself that is impermeable,

840
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: because I feel like my whole job is to uh

841
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: not have that and to just be whatever somebody else

842
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: wants me to be at any given time. So, and

843
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 2: it's a fascinating thing trying gelling and sort of reconciling

844
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 2: these two different things. Like your music career is based

845
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: on you as an authentic, unique individual. Nobody else could

846
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: write your songs, nobody else could perform your songs, or

847
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: dress like you or have your presence. And then acting

848
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: is this kind of strange. There isn't a contradiction here,

849
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: but there's a sort of an apparent contradiction here because

850
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: some of the best actors, some of the coolest performances

851
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: come from people who are so distinctly themselves, Like nobody

852
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: could play this character like you play her. You are

853
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: the only person who could ever have been Babby and

854
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: at the same time you're also Laney. You know, it's

855
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: a really it's a fascinating contradiction that I think I'll spend,

856
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 2: you know, the rest of my career trying to wrap

857
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: my head around it.

858
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: Really is fascinating. For sure. I'm so glad that Tyler

859
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 3: didn't say, but you can't talk the way that you talk, because.

860
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: I can't wait for it. This is all method acting.

861
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: And when Yellowstone's done, you're gonna reveal that you actually have,

862
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, a New York action.

863
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: Yes, I actually talk like this, Yes, exactly.

864
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: There's the California that's exactly right. The California is popping out.

865
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 3: I hate bel bottoms.

866
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: It would be so terrifying and heartbreaking. I'd be like,

867
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: no go back.

868
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: But also so impressive, also so impressive, if you don't mind,

869
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: How exactly did you meet Taylor? How did that relationship

870
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: first come about?

871
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 3: So I had not even signed a record deal at

872
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 3: this time, and I had just put out a self

873
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: titled EP, and there was a song on there called

874
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,479
Speaker 3: working Overtime that my manager Mandolin, which she was hanging

875
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 3: out there on set to the Little Curly Headed Girl Run.

876
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: I love her.

877
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 3: She she pitched my music to w Me, my book

878
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: and agent, and w and Me had sent the music

879
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 3: over to Andrea Van Forrester, who is such a huge

880
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: champion of mine, and she pretty much introduced my music

881
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: to Taylor that way. And so I know he was

882
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: doing a horse raining competition out in Vegas and he

883
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 3: invited me to come out there and play a horse

884
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 3: raining show. That's where I got to meet him and

885
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: thank him for putting Working overtime my song. It was

886
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: episode one, season two. It was when the bull was

887
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: busting into the bar and which is one of my

888
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: still one of my favorite scenes of just the entire show.

889
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 3: And so I got to meet him at this horse

890
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: raining competition and just got to know him and got

891
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 3: to talk about my love for horses and how I

892
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: grew up on the back of a horse, and we

893
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 3: exchanged numbers and he said, you know, like I want

894
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 3: to help you, He said, you know, I just I

895
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: love what you do, and I want you to keep

896
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 3: sending me music. If you think it'd be something good

897
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: for the show, just text it over to me. So

898
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 3: for a couple of years, I would just if I

899
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 3: wrote something that I thought Mike would be a good fit.

900
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: I'd send it to him, and Mandolin would send it

901
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: to Andrea and just kind of, you know, was super

902
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 3: excited about those opportunities because I mean I have had

903
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: people show up to my shows and be like, I

904
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: found you through Yellowstone, which is crazy to think that

905
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 3: a show can have that much of an impact when

906
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: it comes to the music. So forward a little bit.

907
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 3: He ended up putting a couple more of my songs

908
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: in the show from my record, saying what I'm thinking,

909
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: and we just kept up, kept staying in contact. I

910
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 3: went out to the ranch and in twenty twenty and

911
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 3: I played a little private show for the cast and

912
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 3: crew during the pandemic because everybody's getting real antsy, and

913
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: got to hang out with Taylor a little more there.

914
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 3: And in February he just called me and said, you know,

915
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 3: I've got this idea. He said, I want to create

916
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: a character specifically for you. And I remember I was

917
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: on the phone outside of my house and I have

918
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: this little French bulldog, her name is Hippie, and she

919
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 3: took out running towards the road. So I'm on the

920
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: phone with Taylor running trying to catch my dog before

921
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: car comes around the corner, and so I was out

922
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 3: of breath and I'm like, hold on a minute, Yes,

923
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: I'm interested, I'll do it. So that's how that happened.

924
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm like just being mindful of time and making sure

925
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: I want to like hit certain things, and it ties

926
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: into time in a bigger way. You said you only

927
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: slept like fourteen nays in your bed or something this year.

928
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: So on like January fourth, you are going on what

929
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: a twenty seven city tour. I'm anticipating that you will

930
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: be sleeping in your bed even less than this and years.

931
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's okay. You know, I feel like we've

932
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: been working hard to work even harder. This is my

933
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: very first headlining tour. Amazing. It's it's almost sold out,

934
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: which is mind blowing for me because I mean I

935
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: feel like it wasn't that long ago when I mean

936
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 3: nobody knew my music, my mama and that was it,

937
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 3: you know. But it's crazy how like I said, it's

938
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: all about that time, and I was supposed to wait

939
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: this long and it was all worth it. Looking back

940
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 3: on it now, I'm like, if it was had I

941
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: known that it was going to feel like this, you know,

942
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: then I wouldn't have been too upset about it taking

943
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 3: me as long as it did.

944
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: Also, I feel like loneliness in some way is sort

945
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: of inherent into the creative process, especially with songwriting, at

946
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: least that's what I've heard. And I feel like the

947
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: amount of time that you probably spent alone, not just

948
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, you could have been with people, but I

949
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: know that the feeling of when you're not living the

950
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: life that you almost know is down the road but

951
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 1: it's not there yet, is a very lonely lonely.

952
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 3: It is lonely. It is so lonely. I mean, when

953
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: I was living in that camper trailer, the furnace could

954
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: not keep up with the cold weather. I was sleeping

955
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: in several jackets, and I mean there were definitely times

956
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: where I was like, what in the world am I doing?

957
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 3: Or what have I done? But I never wanted to

958
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: pack it up and go home. There was never a

959
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: plan B. I was like, you know what, if it

960
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: takes me thirty years, it don't matter if I end

961
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 3: up being just a songwriter, if I end up being

962
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 3: an artist, if whatever. I know that I'm supposed to

963
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 3: be here. And it was put on my heart for

964
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 3: a reason. Just like y'all's jobs are put on your

965
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 3: heart for a reason. You know, you knew that you

966
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: were supposed to track it down and see it through,

967
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 3: and you're doing that. And I think that's what we're

968
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: supposed to do. If we're given a gift, I think

969
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: we need to share it.

970
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Was there ever pressure from family or friends in a

971
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: way to sort of those years? I know for myself.

972
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: You know, from the moment that you leave home and

973
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: go to college through adulthood, there's this pressure at times

974
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: to settle down, start a family, all of that stuff.

975
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: And for people who live the creative life like us,

976
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: they know that a lot of those things just aren't

977
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: the priority. And sometimes it's hard to explain that to

978
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: the people around you who think you're mentally ill.

979
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 3: Oh I know, yeah, I think some of them are

980
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: still they still have me on the prayer list. I'm like,

981
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: he kissed my butt. Actually it was last December. I

982
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 3: went home for Christmas and a family member was over

983
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: at the house and literally said, so, Laney, at what

984
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 3: point in time are you going to come home and

985
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 3: just be a kindergarten teacher? When was this last December?

986
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 2: Wow?

987
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: And it took everything in May not to tell her

988
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 3: to kiss it, but I was like, you know what,

989
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's going pretty good. I

990
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 3: think we're right around the corner for something pretty dann magical.

991
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: And I'm like, take that. I hope she listened this podcast.

992
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of hope she does too. Also, you

993
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: missed earlier. But Jeff and I talked about how now

994
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: we're now going to be settling all three things through fighting,

995
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: so we're going to go fight her.

996
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to fight to ugan though.

997
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. No you no, no, no, you

998
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: and I are not fighting. We're not fighting ever. Uh. Also,

999
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: comments like that make make some the I've dealt with

1000
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 1: my own fair share of that, and and you feel

1001
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: so deeply unseen. It's it's it's almost like you have

1002
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: no gift and no talent and no value unless the

1003
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: world is saying that you do. Yeah, and that got

1004
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: that that person couldn't see you for the creative genius

1005
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: that you are in advance as a real loss for them.

1006
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: And maybe this makes me like a sick individual. I

1007
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: don't know, but honestly, it kind of made me want

1008
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 3: it that much more.

1009
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Totally.

1010
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you sit down and watch this, hold

1011
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 3: my beer. You know, like we've got some stuff to do,

1012
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 3: We've got some ground to cover. But I don't know,

1013
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: I feel like a part of me is definitely like

1014
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 3: doing this to show a lot of folks who didn't

1015
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: believe in me, like, hey, I'm doing it, But also

1016
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 3: more importantly, I'm doing it for a lot of the

1017
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: folks who did believe in me too. I mean, yeah,

1018
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: my family believed in me before anybody did. You know.

1019
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: My mama was the one who would sit in the

1020
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: bathroom and listen to all my songs because that's where

1021
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: the acoustics were the best. And my daddy's the one

1022
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 3: who taught me how to play a few chords on

1023
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: the guitar and everything from finding my team members in Nashville.

1024
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of people have took a chance

1025
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: on me, whether they let me play their bar, whether

1026
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 3: they let me play at their grand opening of a

1027
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 3: convenience store, or whether it was Taylor shared and given

1028
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: me an opportunity for Yellowstone. It's just like, you know,

1029
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 3: a lot of people have given me opportunities, and I'm

1030
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 3: gonnaive it one hundred and ninety percent.

1031
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 2: So you first have music uppear on the show from

1032
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: your first album. Will you tell us about your new album?

1033
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely? It's called Bell Bottom Country, which means country with

1034
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: a flair. It's about finding whatever it is that makes

1035
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: you you and different and leaning into it as much

1036
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 3: as you possibly can. It could be where you're from,

1037
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 3: the way that you were raised, the way that you talk,

1038
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 3: the way that you dress. It's about being unapologetically yourself,

1039
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: and just like we've been talking about on here, you know,

1040
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 3: sometimes that's hard to do, but there's a big old

1041
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: sense of freedom that comes along with it. In this

1042
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 3: record right here definitely pulls back those layers and shows

1043
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 3: who I truly am and what I want to say

1044
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 3: and how I want to say it, and I'm proud

1045
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 3: of it. I mean, every song on this record is

1046
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: my baby, and a lot of the songs are on

1047
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: the show, and it's just it's this is one of

1048
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: the biggest moments of my career so far, and I'm

1049
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: just so appreciative of all of the opportunities and the

1050
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: belief in me, and I promise y'all won't I won't

1051
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: let you down.

1052
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: Landy, thank you so much for joining us. Today. Thank

1053
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 2: you for sharing light with us. I'm certainly walking away

1054
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: from this conversation inspired and excited, so I'll be down

1055
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: there in the front row screen.

1056
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 3: Thank y'all. I appreciate y'all.

1057
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: So much, amazing, love your amazing, amazing.

1058
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 2: What an incredible honor to be joined by Landy Wilson today.

1059
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: Just like season five of Yellowstone, the Official Yellowstone Podcast

1060
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: just goes up from here. It's just getting bigger from here.

1061
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: Jen and I we're finally clicking after five years of

1062
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 2: real enmity between us, real just contentious.

1063
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: It's nice to finally become friends.

1064
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like just this forced proximity is making

1065
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 2: us finally get along.

1066
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: We just want to thank everyone for tuning in to

1067
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: another episode of the Official Yellowstone Podcast. We've got more

1068
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: episodes coming to you weekly. We have more exciting guests,

1069
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 1: so hang in there.

1070
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: Listen to the Official Yellowstone Podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

1071
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: or wherever you get your podcasts.