WEBVTT - Disney D23 News & She-Hulk Ep 5 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.040 You are listening to the she Hulk and D twenty 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.800 three episode of X ray Vision this week, and just warning, 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.719 this episode contains lots of spoilers from she Hulk episode five, 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.080 and we're spinning a lot of theories on the MCU 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:18.919 and talking about stuff from D twenty three, so be warned. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:36.200 Hello. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.680 My name is Jasoncepcion, and welcome to x ray Vision, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.200 a croocket podcast where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.440 comics of pop culture. There are so much stuff happening 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.479 this week, and so we're making things easier for our 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:53.480 listeners by releasing two episodes. Episode number one covered House 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.240 of the Dragon, including our recap of episode four, plus 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.520 Ask the Macer. Episode two, which you're listening to, is 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.360 Marvel with she Hult episode five, plus our analysis of 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:05.720 all the announcements from D twenty three over the weekend 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.680 and what they mean for the MCU. You want to 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.000 jump around, of course, check the show notes for the 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.960 time stamps. And joining me today in episode number two 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:17.720 for this week is Writer and Comics Encyclopedia. Rosie Night, Rosie, 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:18.839 how are you hello? 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.400 Oh can't believe? Well? Here again? 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:24.560 We're here again, so quickly Hey, we're here again. Uh, 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:26.280 let's talk out. Let's get into the news from D 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:35.920 twenty three. Who The D twenty three Expo has come 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.000 and gone, and it is time to unpack the teasers, 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:39.920 the trailers, the announcements and more and what they might 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:45.480 mean for the MCU. It is time to irresponsibly make predictions. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.640 Let's start with Secret Invasion, the trailer of which was 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.480 released on the internet. This Disney Plus show stars Martin 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.840 Friedman reprising his role as ever Kay Ross, THEIA agent 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.440 ever k Ross, starring Samuel Jackson as Nick Fury, Ben 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.880 Mendelssohn as Talos, Don Cheadle as war Machine out of 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:11.360 the armor now apparently some sort of government official, and 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.280 the Department of Defense of some sort, Kobe smallders back 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:19.919 as Mary Hill, Olivia Coleman confirmed as Special Agent Sonya Fallsworth, 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:27.320 Kingsley Benadere confirmed as Gravic Emilia Clark as we don't 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:32.119 know the secret role and folks, let's talk about it 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:37.000 because this first of all trailer is great, real uh, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.840 you know, real Captain America and the Winter Soldier vibes every. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:46.160 War vibe even more like a British spy movie. Yeah, ifi. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:47.959 He had promised that this was going to be way 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.160 more intimate than the Secret Invasion event, and you can 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:57.120 see it's going for this kind of suspenseful, spy thriller vibe. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.640 So the question is how much is this going to 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:05.200 take from the Secret Invasion event? So just to jump back, Rosie, 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:08.160 would you like to tell the folks what Secret Invasion was? 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:11.919 So Secret Invasion is just like it's kind of hard 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:17.160 to talk about how unbelievably impactful it was. Yeah, so 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.720 it's like, it's okay. It was like June two thousand 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.840 and eight January two thousand and nine, classic event style. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.920 It was sin It was a series but with a 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:31.680 ton of kind of spin offs, incredible creative team on 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.320 the main which is Brian, Michael Bendis, Meneal Francis, you, 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:39.160 Mark Morales, Laura Martin, And essentially the baseline is that 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:44.400 you discover that many of the heroes that we assumed 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.920 were our most famous heroes were actually shape shifting scrolls 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.200 who had been put in at every different level of 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.200 heroism and government. And it had the best tagline, which 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:54.560 was who do you Trust? 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.160 Yeah, And it was just. 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.840 It was groundbreaking. It also is one of the best 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.880 events for spinoffs. We talk a lot about Secret Wars 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.440 and stuff, but there is an unbelievable Black Panther spinoff 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.080 that came out of this called Sibacander and Die, which 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.400 is just so cool, And basically the notion is that 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.479 you are going to find out which heroes are not 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.080 heroes and are actually villains, and this just there's so 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.440 much fun stuff in this. So this is obviously not 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.160 something that's going to happen in the show, but I 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.599 think about this all the time, which is the only 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:32.559 person who can tell who the scrolls are throughout Secret 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.040 Invasion is three D Man with his three D glasses, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.760 so he's seeing scrolls and he's like, Yo, that's a 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.240 fucking scroll and they're like, no, man, that's like Hawkeye. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:43.560 You know. So this was like, this is the kind 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.640 of event that I feel like, we don't get to 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:49.719 see as many of them anymore, but we we occasionally do. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:53.960 But this reshaped the entire way people saw the Marvel 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.040 universe and the way that the Marvel Universe saw heroes, 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:00.720 which is very relevant to this because another announcement we 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:02.599 got with Thunderbolts, so we'll get to that in a minute. 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.279 But yeah, Scrolls, they're here. They've been here for a 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.760 long time. And in the comic book event, it was 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:12.719 like nobody's safe. Anyone could be a Scroll and this 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.599 was a way for them to the Scroll Empire to 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.200 take over Earth. Now in this we know from what 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:19.560 Figi said that it's going to be much smaller scale. 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:25.600 But the one thing we can assume is that there 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.840 is gonna be at least one character, but maybe two 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.160 who are key to the MCU who are going to 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:34.240 be revealed as Scrolls. That has to happen. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:39.159 That has to happen. Now, before we get into who's 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.479 a Scroll, I just want to say that like this 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:48.680 era of Marvel comics, even starting with like Avengers Disassembled, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.120 going into a Secret War, the First Secret War, Annihilation, 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:58.040 House of m Decimation, Civil War, Planet Hulk, World War Hulk, 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.520 and then into Secret Invasion and then Dark Rain, which 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.160 wasn't really an event more like a wide line wide reboot. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.760 It was a really incredible era of Marvel comics where 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:18.240 all the events affected everything that happened. After you talked 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.680 about what an incredible like jumping off point, Secret Invasion was, 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:27.800 because Secret Invasion it created this like air of paranoia 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:32.080 in Marvel comics, where all of a sudden, dark rain 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:36.320 became possible because everybody was like hold on. The superheroes 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:40.080 got in a civil war with each other, fighting each other, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.039 and then we find out that many of them aren't 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.280 even who they say they are. They were actually scrulls, 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.839 So how can we trust them? And then turned into 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.320 this whole thing where Norman Osborne took power and had 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.560 a secret like Avengers Team that and and so it 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.240 really feels like as we go into Thunderbolts, that is 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.479 what we're saying up right now, whatever happens after Secret 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:06.960 Wars is going to be, Uh, We're going to see 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:12.160 a world in an MCU that is less trustful of 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:13.440 heroes coming forward. 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.600 Yeah, And something that I think is like really interesting 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.600 that this kind of ties into that I had never 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.480 really considered before. Right, So we've talked a lot about 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.480 how do you build a world that doesn't trust people 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.840 with powers. It's secret Invasion, it's not it doesn't even 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.120 have to have the political machinations and all the other 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.400 stuff that we've already seen them bring in really well 0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:36.320 with Miss Marvel and kind that we've talked about that 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.880 so key to the X Men. But Secret Invasion is 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.760 your real jumping off point for that, because not only 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.480 are some of these heroes actually scrolls who've been posing 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.200 there for years, but also the heroes they have taken 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:50.840 over are just like hidden off somewhere and like couldn't 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.920 even escape. Like that's the worst thing is like, not 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.080 only are they not the heroes you thought, but the 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.280 heroes you thought have been trapped. So what kind of 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:00.200 heroes are they? 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.440 There is a moment in this where we see, you know, 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.640 bodies in stasis in some kind of room. Olivia Coleman's 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.160 character and another agent kind of like have found this area, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.480 leading us to believe that, yes, over time and over 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:22.400 the years, certainly not Tallos's group of Scrolls, but some 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:26.800 other more imperialistic, more warlike sect of scrolls, because the 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:30.440 Scroll Empire is really big, spanning many many planets, and 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.800 it would make sense there'll be different factions within that. 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:38.880 This more warlike faction has over time been steadily replacing 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:44.000 probably influential people, and we would imagine some heroes with scrolls. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.920 The question is for how long. Now there's a moment 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.199 in this trailer where we see, you know, there's a 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.600 lot of fun stuff in this trailer, but so Nick 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:55.960 Fury says, like, you know, this is my war alone. 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.480 I'm the last person standing between them. And and then 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:05.960 you see like this closet open with this like silver 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.760 case inside, and the case has like is like on 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.000 ice or refrigerator or something. Because they open it, it's 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.040 like steaming. And so you're led to believe because the 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:17.400 voiceover in this image is like, okay, stands between them 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.160 and what do you have any theories on what is 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:21.840 in the case. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:28.120 I mean, there's so much stuff like in my mind, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.480 I have like wild comic book theories. I feel like 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:36.320 the safest most MCU bet is some kind of stark 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:41.360 tech or some kind of cosmic you know. I don't 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.559 think they're going to bring the Infinity gems back again, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.240 but I feel like it's something with a world ending 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:53.240 or world shifting possibility. But I'm very interested to know 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.240 what you think it may be. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:57.840 The Infinity formula. 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:02.000 Ah, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.640 so so part of the way in the comics that 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:07.120 they explain how. 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.400 Nick Fury could have could have served in World War 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.600 Two in a commando in a commando cadre like as 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.960 the leader of the helland Commandos and then also be 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.760 running around like in the eighties, nineties, and two thousands 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.120 with various other ship beers. Is that he at a 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.360 certain point in time was injected with this formula, the 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:30.320 Infinity forma that just dramatically slows his agent. He still 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:33.800 looks like a middle aged man, but you know, he's 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.800 like ninety nine, one hundred and two whatever, He's very 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.920 very old. I So my theory is whatever is in 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.360 that case is whatever the MCU version of the Infinity 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:50.240 format is Nick Fury injected with something? Is is that 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.680 the case is? Yeah, a lot older than we actually 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:57.360 know about. He's been running around for a while. I'm 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.920 not saying that, but I think that it's That's my thing. 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:00.800 It's whatever. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.440 I think that's a very safe bet because that could 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:08.240 also be the do x markener that the MCU has 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.160 been looking for when it comes to the constant struggle 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.840 of how to cast Magneto and Charles, you know, in 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.200 the X Men. So I think that the introduction of 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.959 some kind of infinity formula, some elixir of life, that 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:25.959 could be very likely. Yeah, I'm very interested to see 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:30.440 what it is that the scrolls could possibly want from 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.200 Earth other than to just invade it. Now, the other 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.600 option that I do think is likely that could tie in, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:38.920 and this is this is pretty out there, but I 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:45.720 think it could work. We know that Miss Marvel and 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.080 Captain Marvel at the Carol Dowvers at the end of 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.000 the episode, and we learn more about this twenty we'll 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.000 talk about it in a bit, but we know that 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:59.719 the megabands, whatever version that they have of those, are 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.000 allowed wowing them to switch places. We know that those 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.559 are of pre origin the Crew Squirl War. I wonder 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.520 if there's a version of it where it's some kind 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.320 of artifact like that that allows that switch that allows 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.640 them to control other people, because it's very useful as 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:18.000 a scroll. So yeah, I'm I'm very interested because I 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.880 feel like there's things that are so innate to secret invasion, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.400 like the super Scroll, that you can't necessarily do without 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.199 the Fantastic Four. So I'm I'm very intrigued to see 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:35.280 how the MCU recontextualizes this as an introduction to do 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.760 all those other cool scroll stories that we haven't really 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:38.600 gotten to see. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:45.400 Here's my other potential theory. Super scrolls don't exist yet, 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:50.800 but the scrolls find out about Super Soldier or some 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:54.840 other type of cereal. Oh, and they think, what would 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.000 happen if we what if we created super scrolls, our 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.560 own Super Soldier or scrolls that could then take over 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:03.400 the universe. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:07.800 Maybe maybe that's what's in the box. Maybe it's Super 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.360 Soldier Serum because Nick knows about that. You know that's 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.800 and we know that Super Soldier Serum is gonna be 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:16.520 it's it's coming back into play, which will also a 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:17.120 big time. 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.520 My only thing with that is is that then too 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.640 much su Like have we done? Is it too much 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.400 Super Soldier Serum at this point after falking in the 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.000 Winter Soldier, et cetera? Is it too much about the 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:30.199 super Yeah, well they keep that. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:35.160 In the Captain America world and this is something different. Yeah, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.760 it's gonna be very interesting. It's it's something that I 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.880 think all of us as fans, especially if you grew 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.840 up and you were reading those comics when they came out, 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.280 have always wanted to see And I feel like this 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.000 is a very different vision of it. But you know, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.840 Winter Soldier is one of the most highly regarded and 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.199 beloved MCU movies, so I it's cool to see them 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.640 going back to this spy genre space. There's some other 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.520 big questions here as well, like yeah, yeah, I mean 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.960 Amelia Clark. I have my theory. 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:07.280 Who is she? Okay, tell me? Do you think so? 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:11.640 I think from the beginning, I assumed that she was 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:16.479 going to be playing Jessica Drew Spider Woman aka aka 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:21.800 the Scroll Emphress. I love it Varank who posed as 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:25.000 Jessica Drew. Now from watching this trailer, I would say, 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:27.880 if they're gonna do it, they're gonna have to reimagine it. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.680 She's agent Jessica Drew of the Department of Damage Control 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:33.640 or something. I don't think it's going to be exactly 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.960 the same character, But as soon as they won, you 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.920 don't cast Emila Clark for like a No. One role, right, 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.760 And as soon as I saw her, I'm just thinking, like, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.120 you get to have this jeweling thing where she could 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.760 be the real Jessica Drew, but she can also be Veranke. 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:51.360 It's a jewel role. That's my hope and my kind 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.800 of my wish. And also they could maybe get around 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:59.200 the Sony stuff because she's technically not her in the show. Yeah, 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.800 because she's a you know, so I think that is 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:04.560 that's my that's my big guess, that's my my that's 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:05.359 my curveball. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.320 I love that one. I think I'm hoping that it's that. 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:14.120 I wonder would they give her the Spider Woman powers 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:14.960 at any point? 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:17.200 That's what I want to know. And so this is 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:21.480 another really interesting thing, right, I wonder and this I would. 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.280 I know that they can pull this off if they 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.320 do it this way, even though it's not necessarily the 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.440 version that we envisioned. I wonder if we are more 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.640 You are the one, I believe who first put this 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:32.880 theory into my head about Maria Hill being the most 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.960 likely scroll. I think that is very true. And I 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.760 wonder if because of the complexity of how scrolls replicate powers, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.120 which in the comics is like a very long ongoing 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.840 thing you have to explain. I do wonder whether we're 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.160 going to see scrolls who have infiltrated the government and 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:56.120 maybe non powered people more like maybe like a warmst 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:58.920 you know, a Rodie or something, or a Sam Even 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:04.680 instead of you're more classically like strangely powered superheroes. 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:10.560 Well, let me put this to you. We suspect and 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:16.520 I think the D twenty three offerings heavily imply that 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:22.280 Thunderbolts is going to come out of secret invasion and 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.560 it's going to be hashtag we were right. It's going 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.720 to be a kind of dark rain situation where there's 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:35.160 where there's mistrusted heroes that like, we can't trust our 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.120 heroes anymore. We need the heroes that follow orders. And 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.800 you look at that lineup and it's all soldiers, right, 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.640 so that you know, we want the ones that will 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:48.360 do what they're told and will be the be the 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:53.960 heroes that fight for us. Now understanding that it would 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:58.320 probably be difficult ip wise and maybe a little more 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.440 complex to have like no Norman Osborne actually be like 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.560 the main guy at the head of a kind of 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.080 like dark reign regime in the MCU. I do wonder 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:14.040 one if the Contessa Valentina Defonteine doesn't become like the 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.960 Norman Osborne figure, the more political figure, the leader of 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:21.160 the team but also like a politician. And if she's 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:22.919 not a scroll, could she be a scroll? 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.520 Yeah, she could definitely be a scroll. In fact, I 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.600 think because of the massive stunt casting and kind of 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:34.199 that big reveal of it being Julie Leuid drefus like 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.800 I feel that that It's kind of like when you 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.120 watch a murder mystery, like the first season of Only 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:42.920 Murders in the Building, it was easy to guess who 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.399 the murderer was because you were like, well, this, they 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.200 probably wouldn't have cast this person if they weren't the murderer. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.119 So I do feel like she has big scroll energy. Also, 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:54.399 I think there's a lot of potential here. Something that 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.919 mcu set up. It was very unusual in Captain Marvel 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.760 that was very controversial, was this notion as like a 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:05.560 certain segment of scrolls being like essentially like space refugees 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.160 who were not violent, who were not invaders, who were 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.400 not this kind of maniac or force like they are 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.760 in the comics. So I think we could definitely see 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:19.440 some collaboration both between good and more morally gray scrolls. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.840 So I think it wouldn't surprise me if you had 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.640 someone like the Contessa who is a scroll it's revealed, 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.800 but has been working with someone on Earth, someone human, 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:33.480 some kind of I would I could not just even 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.800 comprehend how cool it would be if they managed to 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.920 build Norman Osborne into this. It kind of maybe down 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:40.959 the line, maybe down the line, but no, no, I 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.880 think the fact that she was actually in the lineup 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:49.040 of the Thunderbolts. That was that's that's that's a huge deal, 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.560 big and this is like you said, like that Thunderbolts reveal, 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.639 it's there's some things that we were right about. I 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.280 had always said they were going to put Buck on 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.920 that team. There was a very popular Thunderbolts run where 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.480 Bucky was on the team that people really loved. But 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.440 it is very interesting because it is this notion of soldiers. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.640 It is also a notion of people that the MC 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.080 you would want us to think are almost anti heroes 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.760 rather than villains. Whereas the original Thunderbolts arc, which is 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.040 just like so outrageous and I still sort of think 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.439 about all the time that it actually happened, which was 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.640 the Kerkbooziac, Mark Bagley, Vince Rush was Joe Rosas. 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:30.560 That was craze at the time. It crase this. 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.920 New team because the Avengers are gone and they bring 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:36.600 the book and they introduce this team and you're like, whoa, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.720 these are like crazy ninety charc nineties kind of character designs, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:41.919 like could this really be a new superhero team? How 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.840 often does this stick? And in the final pages, spoiler 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.359 Alert from this comic from nineteen ninety seven, but in 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.160 the final pages you learn that it's Zemo and it's 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:56.040 the Masters of Evil. So to me, I wonder if, well, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.320 it's ex members of the Last of Evil, none of 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.560 whom of the original Thunderbolt ligne up in this team. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.640 So this is my really out there theory is that 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.800 this lineup is the fake out and that really the 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.800 team is going to be other people in disguise as 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.640 those heroes or something along those lines, because that would 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:22.000 be very thunderboltish, or that the person who is actually 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.680 in charge is Zmo, because I think that's the most 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:31.800 that's the most kind of shocking non inclusion here. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:36.720 I would one, I would love that, and two, you know, 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:46.960 other than you know, Thanos's, Lackey's and you know, Captain 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.639 American Civil War, we haven't seen a lot of we 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.040 haven't seen team on team fights, no, you know, Masters 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.720 of Evil versus the Avengers, that kind of thing. We 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.920 haven't seen a lot of that, And it would be 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.160 really cool. It would just be really cool to have 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.760 a Thunderbolts team that becomes that is the Masters of 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.080 Evil or the MC version of the Master Is of Evil. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:11.520 Either overtly or covertly that then has to go toe 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.600 to toe with an Avengers team. Yeah, that is like, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.000 you know, either on the run because the government and 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.879 society's turned against them, or who are fighting to clear 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:27.480 their names from whatever, you know, whatever, whatever frame the 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:31.800 government and the Contessa or Zemo has put them in. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.080 Something that we've seen so many We see it so 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.520 much in comics that it's almost like so in Batman, 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.240 the story that you always get is like somebody's releasing 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.800 the virus. In Marvel comics and specifically like Spidermount of 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:48.280 Vengeres comics, somebody has framed the superheroes done something wrong. 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.920 And guess what, We've seen that in many superhero movies 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:52.960 at this point. But I think you're very on point. 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:55.320 I think some people will be getting framed. Something about 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.359 this that really excites me as well is the MCU 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.520 is long rightfully been critiqued about the way it militarized 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.280 the heroes, which was very much to do with the 0:22:04.720 --> 0:22:08.639 popularity of the Ultimate Tea Comments and the way it 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.480 was very easy to make a ground level superhero team. Also, 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.639 the original X Men movies did the same thing with 0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:16.720 the way the uniforms were envisioned. It's very exciting to 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.280 me to imagine a world where you have the militarized 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:26.760 government team as the antagonists and you have a grass roots, 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.240 ground level team of heroes who have to fight against 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.960 them without the might of stark tech or the might 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.960 of the US government behind them. That is really cool 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:37.800 and could be very very exciting. 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.320 I'm super super excited about it. We should just quickly 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:46.240 run down the Thunderbolts lineup. Valentina, a Legrity, Fontaine, Ghost. 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:48.280 I was so happy to see that at Man. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:52.840 And the Wasp. Really cool inclusion Red Guardian, David Harbor, Elena, 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:57.600 of course, Bucky Barnes, Wow, us agent. There's gonna be 0:22:57.920 --> 0:23:02.879 some friction there and okay, okay, fantastic, Okay, So I 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:03.840 have a theory here as well. 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.920 This is another theory. What if This seems most likely 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:10.600 of all my wild theories, my timber But what if? 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.720 So Ghost, that is very much an empathetic anti hero 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:19.960 who was a villain only of circumstance, right Yolena. That 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.200 is someone who has been tortured and exploited and ended 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:25.120 up in a space where they are on a path 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:28.320 for redemption. I would say Bucky is the same. I 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:34.840 would say Red Guardian, task Master, US Agent. There is 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.360