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Speaker 1: for this week is Writer and Comics Encyclopedia. Rosie Night, Rosie,

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Speaker 2: Oh can't believe? Well? Here again?

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Speaker 1: We're here again, so quickly Hey, we're here again. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Secret Invasion, the trailer of which was

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Speaker 1: released on the internet. This Disney Plus show stars Martin

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Speaker 1: know the secret role and folks, let's talk about it

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Speaker 1: because this first of all trailer is great, real uh,

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Speaker 2: He had promised that this was going to be way

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Speaker 1: So the question is how much is this going to

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Speaker 2: So Secret Invasion is just like it's kind of hard

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Speaker 1: That has to happen. Now, before we get into who's

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Speaker 1: I'm super super excited about it. We should just quickly

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Speaker 1: Bucky Uh figure out, Oh, we're fighting or doing something

431
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Speaker 1: that we shouldn't be doing that's not just illegal but

432
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Speaker 1: morally wrong, and we don't want to do this anymore.

433
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Speaker 1: And that's the kind of thing that causes the split.

434
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm super excited. I can't wait for Thunderball excited.

435
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Speaker 2: Just one last question because I'm just thinking about this.

436
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: So we assumed that obviously Baronzimo would be in this team,

437
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: Obviously the Abomination would be in this team. Maybe Sharon

438
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: Carter because she's power broker. This team has no original

439
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 2: Thunderbolts like Songbird, which I think a lot of people

440
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 2: thought this would be where she would debut, and it

441
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: doesn't have those other characters. What does that say to

442
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 2: you in your theory mind?

443
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Speaker 1: It's I think it says to me you pointed out,

444
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: which is, at some point there is someone in disguise.

445
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: There's going to be a reveal here that we're not seeing,

446
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: a deeper reveal, and so I wonder, oh gosh, I

447
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: think that that's what it's going to I think there's

448
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: going to be some kind of reveal here, and we're

449
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: going to find out that maybe one or more of

450
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Speaker 1: the original Thunderbolts are masquerading as some of our characters.

451
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Speaker 1: But who what do you think? You know?

452
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Speaker 2: I think you're right. And also something that I always

453
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 2: try and remind myself because it was such a fleeting moment.

454
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Speaker 2: We have seen Black Widow use technology that just changes

455
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 2: her face to someone else's face, and we're going to

456
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 2: be in a post Scrolls world. So I think the Yeah,

457
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Speaker 2: I think there's some kind of masquerading, some kind of shielding,

458
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Speaker 2: some kind of big reveal that's going to make this

459
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Speaker 2: a bit more like a classical fundable.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. So there is a at

461
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Speaker 1: a certain point in time, I forget which run of

462
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Speaker 1: Thunderbolts this was a a hero slash villain named Cobalt

463
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Speaker 1: Man joins the team, but actually it was Tony Stark undercover.

464
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Speaker 1: Are any are any of ore? Are any of these

465
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Speaker 1: members working under cover for Nick informing for Nick Fury

466
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Speaker 1: somebody else?

467
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: Hundred percent who that is is Bucky Bond. This guy,

468
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: this guy was just the sidekickoff Captain America like it is.

469
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: It is absolutely Bucky Bond's. Nick Fury probably sent him

470
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: in there to keep an eye on the Thunderbox. He

471
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: said to him, you want to make up your debt.

472
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: You want to you know, cross these names out of

473
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Speaker 2: your ledger. You need to be on this team and

474
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Speaker 2: make sure it's got to be him, because everyone else

475
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, they could get tricked, they

476
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: could have vengeance, they could be offered something that they wanted.

477
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Speaker 2: But after the journey that Bucky went on with Sam,

478
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Speaker 2: I just don't see a world where he is there

479
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Speaker 2: for well, I don't need. I also don't see a

480
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: world where he would ever willingly. I don't see it

481
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 2: used to be part of a government agency again, what

482
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Speaker 2: was done to him?

483
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Speaker 1: Obviously he's traumatized and has been through some really bad stuff.

484
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: But this is Bucky Barnes prizes his free will and

485
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: his agency greatly because that was taken from him, right,

486
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: you know, like that he was not able because of

487
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: his programming to really trust his intentions, his actions, and

488
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: trust that like he wouldn't turn into this marauding supervillain.

489
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Speaker 1: So I think if there is an undercover person who

490
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Speaker 1: is informing for the heroes, I think you're right that

491
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Speaker 1: it would be him. I would add that we were

492
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Speaker 1: right about a couple of things. One that the name

493
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Speaker 1: Thunderbolts was in honor of Thunderbolt Ross.

494
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Speaker 2: Hasn't been fully confirmed, but the line up kind of

495
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: teases that God is Theory was absolutely right about that.

496
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Speaker 1: And that and we were right that Bucky will be

497
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Speaker 1: a member of the team because we said that they

498
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Speaker 1: would that they would, there'd be this movement to be

499
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Speaker 1: like we want the soldiers who are also superheroes who

500
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Speaker 1: are going to follow it words and that's it. We

501
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: let's I want to talk briefly about like this idea

502
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of been out there that people have been

503
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: writing about that the Thunderbolts is like the MCU's suicide Squad,

504
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: which is I get it, I kind of understand. I

505
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of understand that take, but also that's a that's

506
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: a take when you don't when you're not kind of

507
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: like experienced with what those comic book properties are, because

508
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: they're completely different things.

509
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: I think. I think it's one of those things something

510
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: that we talk about. It's like when you read the

511
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: comics and you know what the teams are, it's like

512
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: quite frustrating because they're very they're very different, brilliant ideas.

513
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Speaker 2: The enforced government task force of heroes who will be killed,

514
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: of villains who will be killed if they don't do

515
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: the worst jobs that nobody wants. That's the suicide squad, Thunderbolts,

516
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 2: a team of villains pretending to be heroes to gain

517
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Speaker 2: the trust of a nation during a power vacuum. That

518
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: is a really cool, other unique idea. But something that

519
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, you can get it. Something

520
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: we talk about a lot, right, is the cyclical nature

521
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: of these publishers and the way that they constantly take

522
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: from each other, they take inspiration, and we've seen it

523
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: in the films too. We're not going to talk about

524
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Speaker 2: this very deeply, but I will mention because it's a

525
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: great example. The final Black Adam trailer came out, looks

526
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: really cool. You know what they did. They made doctor

527
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: Fate Charles Xavier. They gave him the Blackbird, put him

528
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Speaker 2: in the Xavier Mansion. Wouldn't be surprised if it was

529
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Speaker 2: Castialoma in Toronto and they made him the X Men

530
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: before the Marvel had done the x Men. Marvel did

531
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Speaker 2: the same thing with Thanos. Jim Stalin ripped off Thanos

532
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Speaker 2: from Dark Side because he loved Jack Kirby, and then

533
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Speaker 2: Marvel did Thanos before dark Side in the movie.

534
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lobo is Wolverine.

535
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: It just goes, It goes on and on and on

536
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: and on and on forever. Right and this in that way,

537
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Speaker 2: I can understand why people would theorize that they will

538
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Speaker 2: become MCU's version of the Suicide Squad, because if it

539
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: is what we have been told so far, which is

540
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: very little. If the Contesta is making a government team

541
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: of heroes from inverted commas villains, then that is very

542
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: similar to the Suicide Squad. But to me, I feel

543
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: like you're missing out if you don't just go and

544
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: read those comics and see how different they are, Because

545
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: the Suicide Squad, it's even like the James Gunn the

546
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: most recent Suicide Squad movie is like so brilliant, and

547
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: it gives you a great insight into the the way

548
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: that it's this exploration of exploitation of prisoners and the

549
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: violence of being a hero and the things that the

550
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Speaker 2: government would make heroes do if they could control them,

551
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: and that aspect of it. I do think we will

552
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: see in Thunderbolts, but they're very different, guys.

553
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at a very basic level, Suicide Squad is our

554
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: villains prisoners forced to work for the government, whereas the

555
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: Thunderbolts are villains pretending to be heroes so that they

556
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Speaker 1: can take over the government.

557
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's a great way. That's where's

558
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: the thing.

559
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Speaker 1: The Werewolf Fly Night. Let's talk about the Werewolf by Night, Taylor.

560
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Speaker 1: This premiere is on Disney Plus October seventh, just in

561
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Speaker 1: time for Halloween, and man, this looks absolutely fantastic. Directed

562
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Speaker 1: by Michael Giacchino, written by Peter Cameron and Heather Quinn,

563
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: black and white horror vibes, supernass. Yes as Jack Russell.

564
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Speaker 1: The Werewolf by Night, which the day the character named

565
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Speaker 1: Jack Russell never fails to make me.

566
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Speaker 2: The last thing about it, I think it was Jerry

567
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Speaker 2: Comway who came up with the name Jack Russell. And

568
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: in tomorrow's which is this Unbelievable fansy back issue seventy one,

569
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Speaker 2: he was asked about it, and he did say it

570
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Speaker 2: was unintentional. Jack Russell was if it was intentional, it

571
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 2: was subconscious and he never thought about it as an

572
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Speaker 2: intentional pump, which I just like, I don't think funny.

573
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Speaker 1: I don't.

574
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how can you believe it? You can't believe it,

575
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Speaker 2: But that's what Jerry says. Jerry, come on the show,

576
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: tell us about Jack Russell. We need to know, Okay,

577
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Speaker 2: Jack Russell one of the best werewolf names of all time.

578
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Speaker 2: This looks so weird. I mean, we are huge fans

579
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Speaker 2: of Michael Giaccino. Hre unbelievable composer, so I'm very excited

580
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Speaker 2: to see him bring his talents to the visual language

581
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Speaker 2: of the MCU. Also, we get the new banner here,

582
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Speaker 2: which is the Marvel Studio special presentation, which is kind

583
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Speaker 2: of this like seventies almost like boogie Nights looking thing,

584
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Speaker 2: which I love because it's like, well, it's like really campy.

585
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Speaker 2: Also probable confirmation here. I'm pretty sure that Laura Donnelly

586
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Speaker 2: is playing Elsa Bloodstone, another massive Marvel horror character that

587
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: we were all really sure that she would show up in.

588
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Speaker 1: This Elsa Bloodstone who descends from a family of monster

589
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Speaker 1: hunter and she's she's always kind of like hunting these

590
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Speaker 1: dark monsters throughout the history of her appearance in the MCU.

591
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Speaker 1: I do you think this takes place like here's I

592
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Speaker 1: wonder if this doesn't take place in the fictional nineteen

593
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Speaker 1: seventies of the MCU.

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Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see so, she Holp. We cannot

595
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Speaker 2: confirm this. We will be Oh, we will be able

596
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 2: to confirm this tomorrow, but right now, I cannot confirm this.

597
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Speaker 2: This is just something that we have been thinking about

598
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Speaker 2: a long time. It seems like tomorrow this week, she

599
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: Hope is going to confirm the notion that comic books

600
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Speaker 2: exist in the MCU as the way of telling stories.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if because of how stylistic this is,

602
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Speaker 2: this is a fictionalized version of something that happened in

603
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Speaker 2: the MCU. It looks like are you or maybe it's

604
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Speaker 2: some kind of moonlight situation where it's somebody's version of it.

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Speaker 2: I love this notion of this special presentation as if

606
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Speaker 2: it's not one hundred percent cannon. But it's so stylistically

607
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 2: different to and it doesn't look You could show that

608
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: to somebody and they and tell them it's not Marvel

609
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: if you don't show them that. It's really abstract. It's

610
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: very universal monsters, it's all shadows, it's Cabinet of Doctor Caligari,

611
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: like German expressionism. It's really strange. I did not think

612
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Speaker 2: they were going to go this hard with it. Also

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00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 2: something that's very cool, these comics, brilliant comics. We're black

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Speaker 2: and white. The Marvel Horror comics were black and white too,

615
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: Ma Dracula, well Off by Night. So this is also

616
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: very cool way of bringing that to life. And to

617
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Speaker 2: have else a bloodstone, I mean, that's just a huge

618
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 2: addition to the character. Even though she's like a relatively

619
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: new character from like two thousand and one, she is

620
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Speaker 2: a massive part of the Marvel Horror world. And was

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Speaker 2: I right. I don't know if I ever specifically predicted this,

622
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Speaker 2: but I have been manifesting it. This trailer does feature

623
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Speaker 2: man Thing, Marvel's giant sized man Thing, the best name

624
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: of any character ever, one of my all time favorite

625
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: characters again part of that swamp thing, man thing. Those

626
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 2: those are the two comparisons, another famous one. They're Doom

627
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: Patrol and X Men. Just remember that one, guys, because

628
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: it's going to become very relevant when the X Men

629
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: come into the MCU. But yeah, man, thing, this is

630
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Speaker 2: Marvel Horror is here. How does it play into the

631
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Speaker 2: wider MCU is the big question.

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Speaker 1: That's the big, big question. And we oh man gosh,

633
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Speaker 1: I am very excited to find out the shee Hilk

634
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Speaker 1: mid season trailer has arrived. Not that we needed it,

635
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Speaker 1: but we got it, and folks, she Hill continues to

636
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: be super fun. Yeah, it's great.

637
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: And Dead Evil's going to be in it, which we

638
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: kind of knew, but this is like more confirmation in

639
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Speaker 2: case you were worried because he hadn't turned up after

640
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Speaker 2: four episodes, but Matt Murdock is going to be in

641
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Speaker 2: Dad Evil. Good for Matt Murdock. He was also there

642
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: talking about Dead Evil born again at d twenty three,

643
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: saying some very sweet things.

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Speaker 1: Love that very exciting, very exciting. Uh. Next up, Captain

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Speaker 1: America New World Order has some of the cast confirmed.

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Speaker 1: First of all, of course, Anthony Mackie returning to Sam Wilson,

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Speaker 1: Captain America. Folks, the Leader is back.

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Speaker 2: We've been waiting.

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting for the Leader to return. We've been saying,

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Speaker 1: just he's gotta come back. At some point we were

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Speaker 1: wondering we was gonna be she Hulk. Well, folks, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be Captain America, New World. It could still

653
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Speaker 1: be she could still be shed.

654
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Speaker 2: But he's back.

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Speaker 1: We were right.

656
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Speaker 2: He's coming back with his big old head.

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Speaker 1: Another looks like long Head.

658
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Speaker 2: We are on the DC Marvel rip off train today

659
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: because this motherfucker looks like Sinestro from Really But yeah,

660
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Speaker 2: Sammuel Stens is the Leader. Tim Blake Nelson is such

661
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: a fantas plastic character actor, so I'm just really excited

662
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Speaker 2: to see that.

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Speaker 1: This will also be the debut of Sabra, the Israeli

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Speaker 1: superhero played by Shira has Karl Lumbley as Isaiah Bradley, the.

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Speaker 2: First Captain America. That's pleased absolutely in the canon because

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Speaker 2: they don't mention it in the MCU but in the.

667
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Speaker 1: Comics, and Danny Ramirez as the Falcon the New Folk.

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Speaker 2: That is a huge That's that's a really big bit

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Speaker 2: of news.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I agree. I agree, because we didn't

671
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Speaker 1: really get a lot of We didn't get a lot

672
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Speaker 1: of Joaquin in the show, and we certainly didn't get

673
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Speaker 1: a didn't get any kind of inkling of disabilities. So

674
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Speaker 1: this will be very this is going to be this

675
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Speaker 1: is huge, This is a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked a lot about the Superstar just sermon

677
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Speaker 2: today already, and I think this is this casting announcement

678
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: proves to me that Captain American New World Order is

679
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Speaker 2: going to continue the power broker esque storyline from Falcon

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Speaker 2: and the Winter Soldier, and it's obviously going to be

681
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Speaker 2: about super soldiers because you have Isaiah Bradley, who in

682
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Speaker 2: the MCU was one of the first people who was

683
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Speaker 2: tested on with the super Soldier Seerum, but in the

684
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Speaker 2: comics was the first Captain America who was out on

685
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Speaker 2: the field in the Yeah, just one of the best

686
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Speaker 2: comics ever read, ever written. They recently actually republished it

687
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 2: for the first time in like ten years, so go

688
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: and see it. Truce, Red, White and Black. Yeah, just

689
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant. And having Isaiah there, having the leader there

690
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Speaker 2: who we suspect might be the one who's trying to

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Speaker 2: get she hulks Blard, which in this case is connected

692
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Speaker 2: to the Super Soldier syreum because in the Incredible Hulk

693
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Speaker 2: movie from two thousand and eight, we learned that Bruce

694
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Speaker 2: gets his powers much like the Ultimate's comics. Thank you

695
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Speaker 2: producer Chris for that one. That's where he gets his powers.

696
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Speaker 2: Is trying to replicate the super Soldier serum, but instead

697
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Speaker 2: of using gamma ray, instead of using Vita radiation like

698
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Speaker 2: the original method, he changes it for gamma radiation. Bad pan.

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Speaker 2: So this is a super Soldier Serum as story. Now,

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing is in the comics, Sober is a

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Speaker 2: mutant in this is she going to get her powers

702
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Speaker 2: from the Superstldier serum or is she going to be

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Speaker 2: a mutant.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know we've okay, we've got obviously Kamala

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Speaker 1: con is a mutant, right, Okay, we have that. The

706
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Speaker 1: question is, and you know, we could argue about whether

707
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Speaker 1: her powers are are you know, what portion of her

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Speaker 1: powers come from mutation, what portion come from the.

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Speaker 2: Bank also have naturally occurring powers.

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Speaker 1: Wanda also has naturally occurring powers, But who is going

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Speaker 1: to be the first Like like they are a mutant,

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Speaker 1: their powers are derived purely from mutation, and we know

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. Everybody knows what's what it's that

714
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Speaker 1: and there's no secondary factor like the ability like magical powers,

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Speaker 1: which again Wanda is part of humutation is her ability,

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Speaker 1: her affinity for magic. But it is something else, is

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Speaker 1: a kind of inherent power that is that resides in

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Speaker 1: their own DNA and isn't something that is like amplified

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Speaker 1: by an outside power source. And I do wonder will

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Speaker 1: it be sobeer, will she be a mute? It's a

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Speaker 1: good question. I don't know the answer. Other news, khe

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Speaker 1: kwon as a TV agent in Loki season two.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I love this because they were like,

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Speaker 2: he is a TVA agent. I'm sorry, after after everything

725
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Speaker 2: everywhere all at once and prior to his inevitable oscar

726
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 2: win that is coming. He is not just playing a

727
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Speaker 2: TVA agent. That is something major character is something else.

728
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Speaker 2: And also the TVA is obviously going to become a

729
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Speaker 2: big part of this, not just because we got Kang

730
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Speaker 2: stuff down the line, but even in wellwalf by Night

731
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Speaker 2: there were TVA agents with their time batons. So this

732
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Speaker 2: is a very big part coming and I was so

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Speaker 2: happy to see this. I love Kihae Kwon. I love

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Speaker 2: everything ever all wants. I love Aniana Jones, I love

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Speaker 2: the Goonies icon Happy He's there?

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Speaker 1: Uh, is there any Is there any world in which

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Speaker 1: he plays? He's like a He's like a hero undercover

738
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Speaker 1: that eventually is revealed as a hero.

739
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Speaker 2: Though, is if there is any justice in the world

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Speaker 2: and they know what they have by being able to

741
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Speaker 2: cast him, I think that's what it has to be.

742
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Speaker 2: He doesn't. You don't just cast him as a as

743
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Speaker 2: a TVA agent. You cast him as someone who's there

744
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Speaker 2: with a motivation that becomes an ally to Loki, who

745
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Speaker 2: at some point you reveal has powers or some kind

746
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Speaker 2: of longer running space within the MCU.

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Speaker 1: Up next, Matt Shackman confirmed to direct It's the Fantastic

748
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Speaker 1: Four movie. No casting announcement, no trailer, no nothing, just

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Speaker 1: that Matt Schackman will be the director. Congratu, Yeah, congrats

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Speaker 1: to him. According to Justin Croll on Twitter, quote, Feigy

751
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Speaker 1: for the most part does not want to make big

752
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Speaker 1: casting decisions without getting input from his director, which I

753
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Speaker 1: think seems whyse Of course, there were a ton of

754
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Speaker 1: rumors flying before d twenty three, but we'll wait to

755
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Speaker 1: see what emerges from there, but just terribly exciting that

756
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Speaker 1: we are on the road to a Fantastic four movie.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we saw the logo some months ago, but

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Speaker 1: this is super exciting new Wakanda Forever Black Panther footage

759
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: and we get an idea of what the plot is about.

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Speaker 1: Here from Clyder is a description quote in the exclusive

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Speaker 1: clip shown to the audience, We see Queen Ramonda arrive

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Speaker 1: at the United Nations with a group of men. They sit,

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Speaker 1: The men push their microphones down, spotlighting the Queen's presence

764
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Speaker 1: in the room. Are represented from the US starts to

765
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Speaker 1: complain about the fact that Kana has not shared their

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Speaker 1: vibranium with the world, and a French representative similarly speaks up,

767
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Speaker 1: saying that vibraanium has the potential be a weapon of

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Speaker 1: mass destruction because the material can't be detected by metal detectors.

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Speaker 1: It has to be shared for the sake of global security.

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Speaker 1: But despite these dramatic declarations, Ramona makes very clear why

771
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Speaker 1: what Condims do not trade vibranium and never have, never will.

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Speaker 1: It is their policy to never trade vibranium under any circumstances,

773
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Speaker 1: not because of the danger of vibranium, but because of

774
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Speaker 1: the dangerous potential of outsiders using this material, and so

775
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Speaker 1: here again, one thing that's extremely clear, you know, it's

776
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Speaker 1: been kind of I think one of the kind of

777
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Speaker 1: criticisms or at least, you know, complains that people have had,

778
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Speaker 1: is like, what is the what is the MCU about now?

779
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 1: What phase we are and what is the general direction?

780
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Speaker 1: The general direction is as we're seeing with Armor Wars,

781
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Speaker 1: as we're seeing with Wakanda Forever, as we're seeing with

782
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Speaker 1: Secret Wars into Thunderbolts, is all of this stuff is

783
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Speaker 1: out there. The armor Tony Stark's armor is out in

784
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Speaker 1: the work world, Vibranium is leaking out, and governments are

785
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Speaker 1: concerned about it. People that are uncontrollable have superpowers now

786
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Speaker 1: and now is like the reaction from the rest of

787
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Speaker 1: the world towards the revelations that have happened in the

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Speaker 1: previous phases. I think this is really a super smart

789
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Speaker 1: take on a Black Panther sequel.

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Speaker 2: I think it's really really clever. I'm very interested to

791
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Speaker 2: see the way they go with this, because the whole

792
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: point of Wakanda originally was like what if this space

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Speaker 2: existed that had never been colonized, that had never been destroyed,

794
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Speaker 2: that had never had its resources drained and stolen, you know,

795
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Speaker 2: so to them put them in this position where exactly

796
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: that is has potential to happen, and it will also

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00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 2: we know that in this world T'Challa is dead. We

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Speaker 2: know that that will be happening Name in Black Panther two,

799
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Speaker 2: that he will die. People see it as a power vacuum,

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Speaker 2: and that is going to encourage Wakanda to make the

801
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: tough decision of who the next Black Panther will be.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what triggers name Or's attack on Wakanda. Is

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Speaker 1: it like is he a hired gun? Is somebody like

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Speaker 1: did you like did they contact him and be like

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Speaker 1: go in there steal a vibranium?

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Speaker 2: Like I think. I think what it's going to be

807
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Speaker 2: is like if if people know about this one secret

808
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Speaker 2: place that has vibranium, that has these resources, then are

809
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Speaker 2: they putting other secret places at risk? Like we could

810
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Speaker 2: definitely also have had a situation where Naymoor and to

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Speaker 2: Challa knew each other and had made a vow to

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Speaker 2: never reveal the secrets of where they come from. You know,

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Speaker 2: so I'll be very interested to see. Also, this is

814
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Speaker 2: old from an old leaked description that was to do

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Speaker 2: with the casting, but there was also notions of somebody

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00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 2: who was looking for not only vibranium, but they were

817
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Speaker 2: going around searching out almost secret locations, including Antarctica, which

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Speaker 2: is one of the other places you can find vibranium,

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Speaker 2: which is where the Savage Lands are. So I wonder

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Speaker 2: if it's going to be this notion of the world

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Speaker 2: has realized, sort of like what happens in the in

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Speaker 2: the Zeros x Men movies, but in terms of people,

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Speaker 2: the world has realized there is a segment of society

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Speaker 2: that they have never seen. Yeah, and if that is

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Speaker 2: the case, then they are going to want the things

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Speaker 2: that they can get from that society. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: very interested to see this. I'm also really interested to

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Speaker 2: see like how re Re ties in like iron Heart,

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Speaker 2: because that's a character we love so much, and it's

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Speaker 2: clear that she is going to be a major part

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Speaker 2: of Black Panther, which is coming out before iron Heart,

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Speaker 2: so it'll be interesting to see how retroactively then get

833
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: her own show spinning out of Black Panther, rather than

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Speaker 2: meeting her first in the TV show.

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Speaker 1: There was a sizzle reel from Ironheart featuring a logo

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Speaker 1: reveal Dominique Thorne will be Ruy Williams and we get

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Speaker 1: the antagonist. The reveal of the antagonist Anthony Ramos as

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Speaker 1: the Hood so Cool which has been confirmed by Kevin

839
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Speaker 1: Figley and Ryan Cooler. So the Hood Parker Robbins is

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Speaker 1: he's just like a small time criminal who like mugs

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Speaker 1: a demon and it takes the demon's hood and the

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Speaker 1: hood is magic. And next thing, you know, through this

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Speaker 1: and through the ability to wield magical powers, now he

844
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Speaker 1: becomes like a crime lord, like a big time magical

845
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Speaker 1: mashup mafia figure who becomes who was for a time

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Speaker 1: during the Dark Rain days like a real mover and

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Speaker 1: shaker at like the highest levels of villaindum like in

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Speaker 1: the in the Marvel comics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and something that came out of this as well

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Speaker 2: was this notion of science versus magic, which you kind

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00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: of touch on that. So I think if you look

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00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 2: at the way that these things are going, we have

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Speaker 2: doctor Strange who's now a three eyed cosmic magic man

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00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,959
Speaker 2: in space with clear and then we have the Wakandans

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Speaker 2: dealing with having the most high tech science and technology

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Speaker 2: in the living known universe. Probably. I think that that

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Speaker 2: clash that they're seeding in iron Heart of this notion

858
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Speaker 2: of science versus magic is going to become a major

859
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: thing going forward. Another thing, we don't have a lot

860
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: of info about it because they didn't show they didn't

861
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: tell us about it much, but they showed a Marvel's trailer,

862
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: and I just want to touch on it because there

863
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 2: was something that was really interesting in the trailer, which

864
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: is apparently it's not just Kamala and Carol who are

865
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: switching places, it's also Monica, and it's the three of

866
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: them throughout the movie that are allegedly going to be

867
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 2: switching places to do with the bands and their powers.

868
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 2: So I think that that is very interesting and that

869
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: is apparently going to be the major conflict. So I'm

870
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: very excited to see that trailer whatever they decide to

871
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: release it.

872
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Now, when I think of the Hood, I immediately think

873
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 1: about his relationship with Madame mask Yep, and I wonder,

874
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: who is a masked super villain, kind of like a

875
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: super soldier type super villain, the daughter of Count Nefaria,

876
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: and I want and I wonder if they would bring

877
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: that into it, that would be pretty much well.

878
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Also as well, if you think about it. In the

879
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: Hawkeye comics, they have the reveal that Madam Mask is

880
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 2: connected to Kate Bishop and we might have already met

881
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: a version of her. So, seeing as this is another

882
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: TV sh I'll be very interested to see if they

883
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 2: kind of tie that together, especially because really, if they

884
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 2: are going to do a Young Avengers will likely be

885
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: the Iron Man analogue like Iron Lad was in the

886
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: original Young Avengers lineup, So I'd be very interested to

887
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: see how that connects the Hood. And now the character

888
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: looks very similar to DC's Hood, otherwise known as the

889
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 2: man who had become the Joker in the old Killing Joke. Well,

890
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: they're really getting the duality today.

891
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: I know. Last couple of MCU things. Charlie Cox says

892
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: of Daredevil Born Again that this is whether it's a

893
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: reboot or not or what they're calling it, it's a

894
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: season one, not a season four. So what I took

895
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: that to mean is they're going to pick and choose

896
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: the things that they like from the Daredevil Netflix series

897
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: and those are going to be part of his backstory,

898
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: and then other things that they don't like. They're not

899
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: necessarily like the Defender, Like did he ever join the Defenders?

900
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: Probably not, you know what I mean? But did he

901
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: fight the Kingpin?

902
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 2: Yes? This is another thing where we were kind of

903
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 2: I would say we were right because this was we

904
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: basically thought they were gonna do what they did with

905
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 2: the Offrio, where they reimagine him for the MCU, they

906
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: make him more super heroic, they make his powers different,

907
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: and be very interested to see how they visualize Dead

908
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: Evil's powers when he re enters the MCU in a

909
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 2: more significant way.

910
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: And then and then Armor Wars was just it was

911
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: already confirmed, but now they're reconfirming.

912
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: It because you worried after the timeline.

913
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Uh. And this, yeah, this feels of a piece with

914
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion with Thunderbolts, like all like obviously we see

915
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: Don Chietell in Secret Invasion. It'll be fascinating to see

916
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: how that stuff all ties together. And it really feels

917
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: like at least for some of these things, uh, you know,

918
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion, Thunderbolts, Armor Wars were kind of forever you

919
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: know the thing that people were kind of saying about

920
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: Phase four, it feels like fragmented, what's it about? Where

921
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: are we going? It feels like there's some real thematic

922
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: cohesiveness to to the stuff that has been announced and

923
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: the directions they're taking. Yeah, Star Wars News Mando season

924
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: three trailer, Folks, I love me some Mando.

925
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: It's the good stuff. Everybody loves the baby.

926
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: Where's the baby? Let me see the baby, Get the

927
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: baby back. How's the baby's training going? I don't care

928
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: as long as the baby is involved. Give me the baby. Notably,

929
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot more Mandalorians this time around.

930
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: We're gonna see a bigger cadre of Mandalorians as Mando

931
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: learns more about the culture that he comes from. Uh,

932
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: and the baby is there. The baby is there, folks.

933
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: We're gonna reunite. There's gonna be it's gonna be good.

934
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 2: It's gonna be it's gonna be good. Important baby.

935
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: Grief Cargo having a massive come up. He's wearing like

936
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: beautiful robes.

937
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: However in that role that is like, see, it's gonna

938
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 2: be good. It's gonna be good. You know, we'll see

939
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: it next year early next year will probably come along

940
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: much sooner than we thought.

941
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: And then the final and or trailer has been revealed.

942
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: The there are screeners out now which I haven't seen yet,

943
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: but I'm excited to watch. Starring Diego Luna of course

944
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: as Cassie and Andorge and Viva Riley is man Mathma.

945
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: I love what a heron. Wow, another come up, another

946
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: character that could have.

947
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: Been lost to the footnotes of history but instead became

948
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: a major player, legend and a hero.

949
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: And and Forrest Whittaker repriasing his role as sage Era lies.

950
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Sager. I've said it many times.

951
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: They'll say to him, I think he I don't think

952
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: he gets the credit he deserves. Did he go to

953
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: did he go too far at times?

954
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah?

955
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: I think so. He was fighting space Nazis, and I

956
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: will say that, you know, uh, extremism in defense of

957
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: space democracy is no vice. And Forrest I love his

958
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: performance that Sagerera was like out there by him saying

959
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: before anybody was like, oh, the Empire, we need to

960
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: do something. Saw Guerrera was saying, we need to do

961
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: something with the Empire. We need to get together, we

962
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: need to fight them. We to stop them, because they're

963
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: not going to quit. They're going to keep expanding, They're

964
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: going to keep putting their boot on people's necks. There's

965
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 1: no place in this galaxy you can run from them.

966
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: We need to fight. And I'm delighted that Sagerera is

967
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: back in my life. So we're going to see some

968
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: original Clone Troopers. I'm excited to start watching this, very excit.

969
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Tales of the Jedi trailer dropped, folks. Good. I don't

970
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: know what he's making.

971
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 2: An animated show me about all the characters that you like,

972
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: Doku are So it's gonna be six original shorts allegedly

973
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: is what they're calling it. I don't know what that means,

974
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: but I know we're gonna watch it because we love Rebels,

975
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: we love Clone Wars, we love the Star Wars animated series.

976
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: That is knows what he's doing.

977
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: That's why he's now basically in charge.

978
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, watching my reaction to this was good. And then oh,

979
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: things of huge note. We must say this.

980
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 2: This was such a big I can't believe they like

981
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: slid this one in at the last minute. Everyone has

982
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: been talking about for like five hundred years.

983
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: So anybody who listens to this and listened to us

984
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: on various other podcasts know that we love Rebels. You know,

985
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: I think it's I think you could argue that it's

986
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: the best Star Wars actually that there is is Rebels

987
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: definitely the.

988
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: Best final episodes of any TV shows.

989
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: They just nail it. They absolutely nail it.

990
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 2: The landing, they nail it.

991
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: They nail it, and uh, you know, one of the

992
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: main characters is young Jedi padawan Ezra Bridger, who at

993
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: the end of the run of Rebels, we are unsure

994
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: what happens to him? Are where he is? And the

995
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: Ahsoka series of course is coming and we it was

996
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: announced that Emanis Fondi will join the Ahsoka series as

997
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: Ezra Bridger. This is huge news.

998
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: This is what the fans have been waiting for.

999
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: This is we we people have been clamoring for us

1000
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: the Ahsoka series being where is Ezra? Literally find Ezra.

1001
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 2: Maybe the most fan casted role, absolutely in Star Wars,

1002
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 2: but maybe in general. Like the fact that Ezra fans

1003
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 2: are here, They're loud, they love him and they right

1004
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 2: to do so. And yes, this is very exciting. I

1005
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: felt like I was laughing because I felt like this

1006
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: should this was like up there with any of the

1007
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 2: other casting, but it was kind of hued in. So yeah,

1008
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: this is this is really big and I'm very and

1009
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean it is like picture perfect casting. Oh when

1010
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: you see the two of them together, you just wow.

1011
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: It's absolutely great and fucking I can't wait.

1012
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I'm so excited that they're gonna do this.

1013
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: It's really crazy that they're gonna do this.

1014
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: It did it. It didn't feel you got to remember, right,

1015
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: especially with Rebels, And I know we could do a

1016
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: whole mini series just on. But like when Rebels came out,

1017
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: like people did not like the animation style. It took

1018
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 2: people a long time to get into it. They felt

1019
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: like it was basic compared to Clone Wars. They also

1020
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: didn't like that it was new characters. It is so

1021
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: influential and so brilliant, and rewatches so well, and it's

1022
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 2: such a fantastic piece of sci fi storytelling and Star

1023
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 2: Wars storytelling and animation and cartoon. It's it's so good.

1024
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 2: And it feels absolutely bonkers to be in a world

1025
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: where there are Rebels characters being adapted.

1026
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: It's so crazy. I mean, it is truly nuts that

1027
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: is happening. Not to mention that was like some of

1028
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: the best Darth Vader stuff, you know, post Anakin Darth Vader.

1029
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: His reunion with Ahsoka is like is spine chilling stuff,

1030
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: and particularly you know, first season is good, and then

1031
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: they absolutely nail the ending of their first season and

1032
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: then if you haven't watched it, at least get to

1033
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: the end of season one and then I guarantee you

1034
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: if you like the Star Wars, yeah, seasons two, three,

1035
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: four are just gonna be like going into hyperspace speed.

1036
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: That's what you don't feel like because it's just great stuff,

1037
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: emotional storytelling, group of characters that you care about, real

1038
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: like heartbreaking steaks, fun droids, incredible adventures, and just really

1039
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: really great Star Wars st Droids. That's great Droids, all

1040
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: Time Droids, Topper and All Time Droid and so very

1041
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: very excited that we're continuing the story in the Ahsoka series.

1042
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: Bad Batch Season two coming out January fourth, twenty twenty three.

1043
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: Great and some Young Jedi Adventures. Casting announcementstermal Avery Junior,

1044
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: Emma Berman as Ky Bright Star, and Nash Durango. Lots

1045
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: of great Star Wars stuff, man, a lot of content,

1046
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: just lots of news. Up next she Hill episode five.

1047
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:47,120
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1048
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: You've been saying, I have nothing to carry my groceries

1049
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1050
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Speaker 1: launching its first ever merch collection and it's available now

1051
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,240
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1052
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, Rings of Power is here. That

1053
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: means fantasy is back. Has it ever gone anywhere?

1054
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: No?

1055
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,400
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1056
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1057
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1060
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1061
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1064
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 1: We're stepping out of the air lock and into the

1065
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Speaker 1: courtroom for Sheehl episode five titled Mean Green and Straight

1066
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: Ported to These Genes, written by former Hysteria co host

1067
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: Danish Schwartz and directed by Anuvalia Danas Schwartz, who's a

1068
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Speaker 1: wedding I recently attended Congratulations once again to Dana and Ian.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with our recap. Jennifer Walters has a problem,

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Speaker 1: and it's a sizable one. It's a big one with

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Speaker 1: a big social media following and really really good branding.

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Speaker 1: It is Titanya, the super influencer who Jen folded up

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Speaker 1: in episode one. She has trademarked the Shee Hulk name

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Speaker 1: and is releasing a line of branded products lip plumpers,

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Speaker 1: beauty oils, some kind of shake for butts, and suing

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Speaker 1: Jen to stop her from using her own name. It's

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Speaker 1: time to get ligitious, folks. Meanwhile, Nicki and Pug hash

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Speaker 1: out a deal. Niki will stand in line with Pugs

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Speaker 1: so he can get two pairs of Iron Man threes,

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Speaker 1: which is a nice payoff from the joke setup when

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Speaker 1: Jen was surfing the internet and it was one of

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Speaker 1: those one of those little blurb stories that it was

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Speaker 1: like just a picture of the Iron Man threes above

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Speaker 1: man with met clause fights in bar. Some nice little

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Speaker 1: payoff there, and Pug in return, will take Nikki to

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Speaker 1: his costume connect, his drip broker in order to upgrade Gen' strip,

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Speaker 1: which is currently very very dry in the midst of

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Speaker 1: a historic drought. Desert like very arid not dripping. Now,

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Speaker 1: getting to the drip Broker involves buying knockoff Avengers merch

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Speaker 1: in the back room of a Boba cafe and then

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Speaker 1: pulling rank falsely claiming that Jen is Avenger. But you

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Speaker 1: do what you gotta do, and eventually they do get

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Speaker 1: to the secret headquarters of this costume fashion designer. Back

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Speaker 1: at GLK and H, mister Holloway is annoyed because Jen

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Speaker 1: lost control of her name and considering that he hired

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Speaker 1: it be the super green face of the firm superhero

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Speaker 1: Laud division, that is bad. He assigns the trademark case

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Speaker 1: to Gen's colleague Mallory. Book Mal immediately goes on the offensive,

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Speaker 1: saying we need to counter suit, We need to be aggressive,

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Speaker 1: but also you need to not look like Joseph a

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Speaker 1: Bank in the courtroom, and you need to get a

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Speaker 1: better wardrobe. Nikki is on it. She gets Jen a

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Speaker 1: meeting with Luke, top tier costume designer who makes ready

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Speaker 1: to wear combat suits for a variety of secretive clients.

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Speaker 1: Case goes to court and there are some early setbacks,

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Speaker 1: but Mallory then calls Gen's match or dates to the

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Speaker 1: stand where they testify that Jen's been using the name

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Speaker 1: she Hulk on a regular basis, proving that there is

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Speaker 1: a chain of ownership of the name she Hulk by

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Speaker 1: Jen Walters. Case close Gen wins. Back at Luke's, Jen

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Speaker 1: collects her form fitting and fashion forward superhero ware that

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Speaker 1: we actually don't get to see her wear yet. I

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Speaker 1: guess that's a reveal for the next episode, and we

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Speaker 1: get a glimpse of Luke's work for another client. It

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Speaker 1: is a yellow Daredevil helmet. Let's talk about Oh God,

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Speaker 1: First of all, really cool that apparently so in the comics,

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Speaker 1: the yellow suit is first like Daredevil wore the yellow

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Speaker 1: suit originally and then went to the and went to

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Speaker 1: the red suit, which then became the iconic suit, and

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Speaker 1: you wore most of the time kind of like you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of like Wolverine who had the yellow and blue

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Speaker 1: with the little kind of like pointy details on the

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Speaker 1: shoulder suit first and then went to the brown and

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Speaker 1: tan suit, which then kind of became iconic for most people.

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Speaker 1: I love that it was Luke that was like, we

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Speaker 1: need to apparently, let's upgrade your fashion and get you

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Speaker 1: the yellow suit.

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Speaker 2: I need to ask you about this though, So yes,

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Speaker 2: you know we talked with the D twenty three thing

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Speaker 2: about what you know, good old Matt Murdoc himself, Charlie

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Speaker 2: Cox said, he said, this is a season one, not

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Speaker 2: a season four. So do you think oh, interestingly his

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Speaker 2: first costume in the MCU. I don't think so. I

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Speaker 2: think you're on the right track. But you make such

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Speaker 2: a good point about the yellow suit and its origins,

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Speaker 2: so maybe he did have the other suit. And this

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Speaker 2: is that Luke I gave him that good reference. And

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Speaker 2: this is kind of the also, you know something that

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Speaker 2: you brought when we were prepping for this. This means

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Speaker 2: Dad Devil has changed Taylor's Yes, we had men Potter

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Speaker 2: before in the in the.

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Speaker 1: Ex super villain Melvin Potter. I. I here's my take.

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Speaker 1: I think that I agree. You're absolutely right. And but

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Speaker 1: one thing we did say in that conversation about season

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Speaker 1: it's a season one, not a season four, is that

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Speaker 1: we think that they're gonna just that means they're gonna

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Speaker 1: pick it.

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Speaker 2: Definitely already Devil. He's already Daredevil one.

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Speaker 1: And two.

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Speaker 2: He's already Dared Devil, because how would he even.

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Speaker 1: Get the appointment? Luke is yeah, yeah, yeah, Luke is

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Speaker 1: Luke doesn't just work with anybody, and he wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: work with Jen until they were like, oh, she's an Avenger.

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Speaker 1: So clearly Matt has made a reputation for himself as

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Speaker 1: an active superhero already for him to even get the appointment,

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Speaker 1: so we think he's working as daredof, which means oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's got the suit that he's already been using.

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Speaker 2: And like you know, super producer Souldiers pointed out, he

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Speaker 2: catches the brick in No Home, so he's using those powers.

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Speaker 2: He's living the life. Yep, he's he's gonna But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love that they because they're kind of rebooting, it

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Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense to have the yellow costume

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Speaker 2: and Luke is obviously a steezy guy. This is also

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Speaker 2: a very fun deep cut. This is pure she yock.

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Speaker 2: Like there's probably no other show where they would introduce

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Speaker 2: the Wrecking Crew, right, Like that was so fun and

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Speaker 2: so this is very similar because Luke Jacobson is like

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Speaker 2: a fashion mogul, but he's been in literally like three

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Speaker 2: comics and he was in this. Really, this is like,

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Speaker 2: this is the stuff I've actually been waiting for Marvel

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Speaker 2: and the MCU to get into, which is the comics

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Speaker 2: that Marvel made that were not necessarily straight superhero comics.

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Speaker 2: So he's from Dakota, North which is like this super

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Speaker 2: weird aes kind of like spy ish comic like Private Eye,

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Speaker 2: very black widow looking, but it's not black widow. And

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Speaker 2: Luke Jacobson is just like this funny fashion mogul. But

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Speaker 2: what is really cool is he was created by Tony

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Speaker 2: Salmons but also by Martha Thomas's who is like one

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Speaker 2: of the premiere female comic book journalists. So it was

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Speaker 2: very cool to see her get a shout out in

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Speaker 2: the Creator Thanks. And this is very fun because it

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Speaker 2: does what the MCU does best, which is this is

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Speaker 2: taking a character whose name is important in the comics,

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Speaker 2: but who doesn't necessarily have a built out world. And

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Speaker 2: now Luke Jacobson, I would say if it had just

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Speaker 2: been She Hulk, who, by the way he teases she,

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Speaker 2: she asks for a suit, like a fancy lawsuit, and

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Speaker 2: he said he made us something extra, so we can

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Speaker 2: assume that's probably the purple and white. That's what I thought, right,

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Speaker 2: because it was a little bit shorter too, and I think, sure,

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Speaker 2: She Hulk, that's a big hero ironically like much more

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Speaker 2: a list probably than a lot of the heroes that

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Speaker 2: began their MCU in Phase one at the time. But

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Speaker 2: I think with the Daredevil costume, we can assume that

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Speaker 2: Luke is going to be like the force of who

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Speaker 2: is making the suits for the heroes from here on out.

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Speaker 2: Now Stark isn't around and we're getting more grassroots heroes.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, And I also think just to

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Speaker 1: go back to what what do we think Daredevil has

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Speaker 1: been daredeviling this whole time? Why would he get a

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Speaker 1: suit on the West coast exactly? So like that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's gotta have been he must have been doing it previously. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So if that's the question, why would he get a

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Speaker 2: suit on the West coast? Then this ties into one

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Speaker 2: of our theories from earlier, which was about how in

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Speaker 2: the Charles Saul Run when Jennifer needs help with this

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Speaker 2: misterious case, she goes to see Matt, who is currently

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Speaker 2: in San Francisco. So I wonder if that if we're

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Speaker 2: gonna see Matt on the West coast, obviously, if he's

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Speaker 2: in Cheeholk, it's unlikely she's gonna fly to New York

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Speaker 2: for it, And it's nice to see the West Coast

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Speaker 2: being represented in the MCU aside from Tony's hilarious Malibu

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Speaker 2: like Thunderbirds mansion. So I wonder where we're going to see.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and of.

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Speaker 2: Course ant Man, which by the way, could connect to

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Speaker 2: this Dared Devil theory. So yeah, I'm very interested to

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Speaker 2: see where we're going to see Dared Devil pop up.

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Speaker 2: Is it just going to be something where they meet

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Speaker 2: each other in the in Luke's offices? Is it going

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Speaker 2: to be like a real play by play.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, do they so? In the

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Speaker 1: comics the Charles Sewell Run Wonderful Charles Sewellrun Those a

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Speaker 1: the kind of main plot is about a case that

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Speaker 1: Jen argues against Matt that we won't spoil because it's

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Speaker 1: really good and if you ever want to read it,

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Speaker 1: definitely read it. But they end up on opposite after

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Speaker 1: hanging after having a wonderful day out hanging out, they

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Speaker 1: end up on opposite sides of the courtroom for each other.

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Speaker 1: Do they argue cases against each other? Do they argue

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Speaker 1: at So?

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Speaker 2: That would be so good, that would awesome because we

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Speaker 2: see it happen.

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Speaker 1: That would be really rad and it makes me wonder

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Speaker 1: like what the case could possibly be. But I think

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Speaker 1: that would be really cool.

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Speaker 2: Also, I do think. Look, I know, I know that

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Speaker 2: Tatiana and this is playing this like she's like this lawyer.

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Speaker 2: She's obsessed with her work, like Jen is is very

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Speaker 2: The dichotomy between and juxtaposition between Jen and Sheehock is

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Speaker 2: obvious and there for a reason. But I I know

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Speaker 2: that Charlie Cox everyone loves sexy, sad, dead evil who's

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Speaker 2: been being but I do, and he is very handsome

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Speaker 2: in that role. I love it too, It's great. But

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Speaker 2: I also could easily see a world where when him

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Speaker 2: and Gin when we see them to get like reconnect,

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Speaker 2: they have met before, they have possibly dated before, which

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Speaker 2: is very in the comics, but both in their non

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Speaker 2: hero forms, and then that would make a really interesting

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Speaker 2: conflict to go into that lawsuit together.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, both very similar in the sense that they are

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Speaker 1: work hard, play very hard kind of characters. Except you're right,

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Speaker 1: Matt has that like catholic sadness all the time, where

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Speaker 1: he goes everywhere he goes, it's just sad, whereas Jen

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Speaker 1: is definitely the more gregarious and outgoing and like and

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Speaker 1: big personality. Okay, So at the end of this episode,

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Speaker 1: Jen wins her case and we see that Arthur was

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Speaker 1: there for it, giving a kind of moral and emotional support.

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Speaker 1: Arthur who she went on a date with in the

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Speaker 1: previous episode, which I had. I had a thought after

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Speaker 1: the end of the previous episode, and I wanted, I

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Speaker 1: want to see where you're at with it. So Jen

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Speaker 1: and Arthur have a wonderful date. They go have dinner

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Speaker 1: and then some drinks, and then they go home and

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Speaker 1: things go well and they are intimate. And then at

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Speaker 1: the end and then the next morning, Jen comes down,

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Speaker 1: she's in gen form, and Arthur is I think. He

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Speaker 1: says he's surprised, and is clearly like whoa you know?

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Speaker 1: And then leaves and it's a week. It's like a

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Speaker 1: discordant note. He was clearly he was clearly a little

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Speaker 1: confused at this. What is as a superhero or a

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Speaker 1: person who changes form, what is Jen's duty to inform

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Speaker 1: a partner about her alter ego. I found myself wondering

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Speaker 1: about this, not that Jen necessarily was in the wrong,

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Speaker 1: but it is definitely an emerging area of like superhero morality,

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Speaker 1: because clearly her partner again was confused by it, and

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Speaker 1: it had me thinking like, should Jen have said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: by the way, I am also I also look like this.

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Speaker 1: This is also what I look like.

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Speaker 2: I found this to be. Yeah. I think this is

1280
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting moral quandaries that the show

1281
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 2: had introduced, intentionally or unintentionally, because it is played where

1282
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 2: we are always seeing things from Jen's point of view,

1283
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: so the angle of seeing it there is oh, like,

1284
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 2: he likes this side of me, but not this other

1285
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 2: side of me, and that hurts. And in this, you know,

1286
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: in the lineup of terrible men she went on dates with,

1287
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: even there in the courtroom, he makes a point of saying,

1288
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: sheehowk is amazing.

1289
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Speaker 1: I really like she.

1290
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 2: But he also says Jen is not my type, you know.

1291
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: And I think that is very notable and also a

1292
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 2: succinct way of of setting up the problem of this,

1293
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 2: which is Jen is your type because Jen is sheehowk.

1294
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 2: But esthetically Jen is not your type. And did Jen

1295
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 2: make it clear? Because she she made that. The whole

1296
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 2: lawsuit this week hinges on the fact that she made

1297
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 2: a match of account as she Holped, she presented herself

1298
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: as she Holp, not as Jen what is the moral

1299
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 2: the morality around that of then presenting this other side

1300
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 2: of yourself. I think it's I think it's baby steps

1301
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: mistake on Jen's part, agreed, but I don't think so.

1302
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't think Arthur is particularly in the wrong. I

1303
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 2: don't think he's shocked because he actually asks who Jen is,

1304
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 2: so he obviously didn't know.

1305
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: I think it's reasonable to I think his feelings are

1306
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: reasonable in that moment. I think that the main thing.

1307
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: I think you're right, it's baby steps in a mistake

1308
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: by Jen. At the same time, like, there's no like

1309
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: unlike the the as Guardian Elf who we met earlier

1310
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: in the episode, there's no there was no will to deceive.

1311
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: Jen was not trying to deceive anyone. Now. I think

1312
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: she as a person who is just getting used to

1313
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 1: and processing the fact that she has this alter ego

1314
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: now that is part of her self. There's also the

1315
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: fact that she is probably has not yet grappled with

1316
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: the fact that one she's a public person now but

1317
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 1: as she Hulk, not as Chen She's done numerous TV appearances,

1318
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: but as she Hulked talking about being she Hulk, whereas

1319
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: her Jennifer Walters persona is just like a workaday, anonymous

1320
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 1: person without a public profile, Unlike Tony Sarker, Steve Rogers

1321
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: some of these other heroes where people would reasonably know

1322
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: who they are, It's reasonable to assume that the people

1323
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: who went on a date with she Hulk would not

1324
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: know or immediately connect she Hulk to gen or even

1325
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: know how to start. How do you google it? If

1326
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: you because it's not been a long time since Jenna

1327
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: has been Sheeholk. If you googled she Hawk, would Jen

1328
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: Walters come up? It's unclearly, I think.

1329
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: I think because of the first episode where we saw

1330
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 2: where Jen's first public foray as Shee Hawk was as

1331
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,680
Speaker 2: Jennifer Walter's in the courtroom, and then she transformed and

1332
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: fought Titania, I don't think it would take that long

1333
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 2: to google it. But I do think the point of

1334
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: the men going on the dates was they want the

1335
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 2: fantasy of Shee Hulk, So would they google it?

1336
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: Now?

1337
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: I will say I did because I'm I am quite

1338
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: heavily on Arthur's side, and I do think that this

1339
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,800
Speaker 2: introduces a very interesting moral quandary that I would love

1340
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 2: to see explored more about, Like the notion of how

1341
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: you present yourself and such. But I will say there

1342
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 2: is a quote from the date where she does tell

1343
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: him right in the middle of the lobby in front

1344
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: of everyone. I had to transform. It was so embarrassing.

1345
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 2: So she establishes there that is at least a transformation.

1346
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: The question is did she do enough?

1347
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: I feel like dynasty there, but like I also don't

1348
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: necessarily think he's just some shallow jerk because he like professional,

1349
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: who she went who he did go on.

1350
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 1: A date with. I think they clearly from the very

1351
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: moment that Arthur pears on the screen, are presenting him as, Oh,

1352
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: this is the good guy. He's interested in her. He's

1353
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 1: a kid, he's a child's that you know, I e.

1354
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: He's a generous, giving person. He's like, wants to know

1355
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: about her life. He's not just out here talking talking

1356
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: talking over her. And he's a kind, good looking, nice guy.

1357
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: And I agree with you. Again, I don't think Jen

1358
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: was trying to trick anyone. But I do think the

1359
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 1: question is did she do enough to really let him

1360
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 1: know completely who she is? Because yes, she mentioned a transformation,

1361
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: but is that enough? Because you again he was like, wait,

1362
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: who are you like? It's completely different person. Yeah, and

1363
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: I think again, I just think it's a really I

1364
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting thing to think about.

1365
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: I think you're you brought it up as a really

1366
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: good topic where you were like, this is an emerging

1367
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 2: problem that.

1368
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 1: We write, this is an emerging issue.

1369
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 2: And I think we will see more of it explored.

1370
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: We got the most extreme version, which is the light

1371
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: elf who is outwardly deceiving people and committing identity fraud

1372
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: against Meg thee Stallion. But like, this is this is

1373
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: the These are the slice of life, day to day

1374
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: issues that you have to navigate if you have an

1375
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: alter ego, especially if it is an alter ego that

1376
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 2: is based on transformation and changing the way you look.

1377
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:51,600
Speaker 2: And we're going to see more of that as we

1378
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,879
Speaker 2: get mutants, as we get scrolls. So I'm very interested

1379
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: to see that, and I was very interested to see

1380
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 2: Arthur be.

1381
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: Brought back at all.

1382
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,240
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily think that was something that was going

1383
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 2: to happen. So maybe there will be some kind of

1384
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 2: conversation or continuation of that art.

1385
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: That's how I felt is that there is going to

1386
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: be They're going to have a conversation about this, right,

1387
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 1: because why else have that moment where you know, there's

1388
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: a look that's shared when the case is kind of

1389
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: over where he kind of like they share this moment

1390
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: and it feels like there's more to be said, which

1391
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: I think is really interesting. I'm glad they're doing that apparently,

1392
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: if they do indeed do that, because again, this is

1393
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily think Arthur was wrong to feel

1394
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 1: weird about it.

1395
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's how I feel about it too, Like

1396
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 3: I love that we get to perceive everything through Jen's

1397
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 3: eyes and this is like a gen centric show, But

1398
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 3: in that moment, I think there is a bigger conversation

1399
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 3: to be had.

1400
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: And I think something that the MCU has done and

1401
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: has expanded on throughout its years and has gotten really

1402
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: good at is looking at the kind of collateral damage

1403
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 2: of being a hero, right, whether it's in your personal life,

1404
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 2: whether it's in the more gigantic space of superheroics, and

1405
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 2: the damage that that causes on a financial or physical level.

1406
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 2: But I think this is a really interesting space where

1407
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: they can kind of expand that. So yeah, and it

1408
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 2: was interesting to see Mallory use that as a space

1409
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 2: to side with Jen, which is something that we haven't

1410
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 2: really seen because it's very they've very much been sort

1411
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 2: of peered against each other as the women in the

1412
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: law firm.

1413
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 1: It's also an interesting way, you know, because it with

1414
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 1: Bruce split personalities or just are kind of integral to

1415
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: his experience of the Hulk, both in the comics and

1416
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 1: the movies and the MCU less so, but in the

1417
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,560
Speaker 1: comics like very dramatically, like the Hulk has different personas

1418
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:58,120
Speaker 1: and there are different factions of Hulks within this Hulk

1419
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: schism of of Bruce's personality, and now Jen is having

1420
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 1: to grapple with she is Jen, right, She's She's the

1421
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:09,719
Speaker 1: gen personality is dominant the whole time when she she Hulks,

1422
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 1: she is Jen. At the same time, the way that

1423
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,719
Speaker 1: the world will perceive her and the way this lawsuit

1424
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: is is is making her interact with this new personality

1425
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 1: is as is she Hulk as a separate entity under Jen.

1426
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 1: And it's just like a fascinating thing to process. Like again,

1427
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Jen wasn't trying to trick anybody, but

1428
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: there's clearly a blind spot here in the thing about

1429
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: blind spot is you don't know it's there because you

1430
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: don't see it.

1431
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm also very interested in what this means because

1432
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 2: in the comics, for the most part, Jen just chooses

1433
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,880
Speaker 2: to stay as she Hulk and it generally has So

1434
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 2: I want to know if that journey. We're getting a

1435
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: lot of really fun visual gags here where like with

1436
01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: like Tatiana in the giant suit when she's so tiny,

1437
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: it's so funny, Like I was always a cast big

1438
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 2: woman as she Holk kind of person, but in this show,

1439
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 2: the way that they represent it with the tiny woman,

1440
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,760
Speaker 2: big suit, it's a very funny visual gag. But I

1441
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: am very interested to know if Jen will ever come

1442
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 2: to that place in the MCU like Bruce did with

1443
01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 2: the Smart Hulk professor Hulk personality in her own way

1444
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 2: of feeling that she Hulk is the best representation of

1445
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 2: her or the person that she wants to be for

1446
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,560
Speaker 2: most of the time. I'll be very interested to see that.

1447
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if we ever get to a point

1448
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: in shows in MCU, whether it's the shows of the

1449
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,879
Speaker 1: movies where Jen is in che Hulk form for the majority,

1450
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: the vast majority of whatever the thing is, It'll be

1451
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: very interesting to see that. Yeah.

1452
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: Also, so you kind of touched on how this you know,

1453
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 2: We're seeing this lawsuit in the kit in the courtroom,

1454
01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 2: and it kind of becomes this more focus song Jen

1455
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: and obviously her dating life, but it is very much

1456
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: in the tradition of these lawsuits we've seen Jen fight,

1457
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 2: whether it's against you know, dead Evil or anyone else.

1458
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: It's very fun to see them leaning into that, like

1459
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:18,559
Speaker 2: mundanity of the court cases that she casts to fight, like, yeah,

1460
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 2: she is a superpowered lawyer, but also cease and desist

1461
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: or trade the right. Yeah, yeah, And I thought that

1462
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 2: was really fun, and I especially liked the avanngs or Avengers,

1463
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 2: the fake Avengers merch.

1464
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: We got to get some of that merchant.

1465
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, somebody send us an Avenges hat.

1466
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: As Daredevil enters the MCU, you know, there has always

1467
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: been a really interesting tension in the comics, you know,

1468
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: and even in the Netflix series for sure, about Matt

1469
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 1: who is a lawyer that fights for the little guy

1470
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: and is incredibly passionate about using the legal system to

1471
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: defend people and defend people's rights, who at the same

1472
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: time breaks the law like every single night, every night

1473
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: as the vigilante Daredevil, destroying property, assaulting various people without

1474
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 1: an understanding of necessarily that they've committed a crime. You know,

1475
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: in the comics, one of Daredevil's like big techniques is

1476
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: he will just go into some like Kingpin connected bar

1477
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: and beat up everybody in sight to get information. He

1478
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: does this like on a regular basis, and it's interesting there,

1479
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: and there's always been that tension there. That's been part

1480
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 1: of why Daredevil is so interesting. Of he practices the law,

1481
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: he's very interested in the law, but he breaks the

1482
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: law every single night of the week. So I think

1483
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 1: I wonder if how much of that is going to

1484
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: enter into what we're seeing now because Jen, to be

1485
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 1: fair to her, isn't Jen doesn't do that. Not. Jen

1486
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 1: fights when it is necessary and when she has to

1487
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: defend herself. But she's not going into like a place

1488
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: and just busting it up to get you.

1489
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:16,599
Speaker 2: She is not killing people on a regular basis because

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Speaker 2: of her Catholic guilt, which Matt does. Like rite, Matt's

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Speaker 2: chaining people to church roofs, he's eating people up, he's

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Speaker 2: killing people, he's taken down gangs. He's ignoring the obvious

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Speaker 2: wealth and health disparities in Hell's Kitchen that caused these problems,

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Speaker 2: and he's just fucking people up. So yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: that's a really great point. Also, so a running joke

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Speaker 2: that we've seen from the earliest episodes. I think it's

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Speaker 2: episode two where we first hear it, which is this

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Speaker 2: idea that Jen has been rejected from the Avengers, and

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Speaker 2: now there's this ongoing joke that Jen is going to

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Speaker 2: be an Avenger or she needs to be an Avenger

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01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 2: to get things done. Kevin Feige recently said at d

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Speaker 2: twenty three that the Avengers currently do not exist, right,

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01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: there's no Avengers. This feels to me like they're setting

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Speaker 2: up Jen being in a version of the Avengers. Whether

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01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 2: it's course, you know, which was the first all female

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01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: Avengers team and Jen was the leader of the original

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: version of it. I feel like the Avengers nods they're

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01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 2: leading somewhere. This show doesn't do anything unintentionally, like what

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 2: do you think.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, listen, Kate is heading to la we

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01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,040
Speaker 1: imagine at some point, right, yeah, I feel like there

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01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 1: are a lot of threads leading us to the creation

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Speaker 1: of a West Coast team. Whether they call that a

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01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 1: West Coast Avengers team, I don't know, but a West

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01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 1: Coast superhero team we understand, you know, Simon Williams is

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01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: going to appear on the scene at some point with

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01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 1: with Trevor Slattery, as we would assume his acting coach,

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01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: you know, of some sort.

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Speaker 3: Of course.

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Speaker 1: So I think you're right. Wait, and I wonder if

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Speaker 1: we're going to see that West Coast team come together

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01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Scott Langs. Scott is also out here on the West Coast,

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01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 1: so I wonder if we're going to see that West

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Speaker 1: Coast team before we see a quote unquote Avengers team.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we're not going to see the

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Speaker 2: Avengers until we get as they are the Avengers, you know,

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01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 2: with the adjective list Avengers, until probably those two Avengers movies,

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01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 2: and I think we know that they're going to be that,

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01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 2: And I think you're right, We're going to see many

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01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,679
Speaker 2: different teams, and it feels like a West Coast team

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01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 2: is very likely.

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Speaker 1: I think that when we do get that Avengers team,

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01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: obviously years from now, literally literal years, but I think

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01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: that as we move in that direction, it would make

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01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 1: sense to me that if Nick is still around, he

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01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 1: will be in stru mental in assembling that team alongside

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01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: alongside you know, war Machine. I think war Machine will

1538
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: be the coming off of whatever happens in Armor Wars

1539
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,400
Speaker 1: is going to be like the not necessarily Tony, but

1540
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: the kind of government liaison, whereas Nick is going to

1541
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:19,879
Speaker 1: be more of the outlaw.

1542
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 2: So I wonder, I wonder if this is so. I wonder.

1543
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 2: I think that Nick's one Samuel Jackson lost playing Nick

1544
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 2: Fury Fury until they stop letting him play Nic theory, Yeah,

1545
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: until he can't walk anywhere literally, So I think he's

1546
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 2: going to be around. I think his prominence and secret

1547
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 2: invasion means we're going to see him come back to

1548
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 2: the forefront. Now, I wonder if what we're going to

1549
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: see is Nick having to create a team to counteract

1550
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: the Thunderbolts, because he has already established a government shield

1551
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 2: funded Avengers, right, that's the Avengers we know from the MCU,

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01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 2: So he would know what he needed in the team

1553
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 2: to take down the government funded heroes inverted commas of

1554
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: the Thunderbolts, and that would be very funny and could

1555
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,839
Speaker 2: lead into some good comic book stuff because in the comics,

1556
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 2: the Contesta and Nick Fury have a love life that

1557
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 2: they want shed. It's very betrayal and spy heavy. So

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01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 2: I wonder if we're going to get to see.

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01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:27,920
Speaker 1: We have to get that. I mean to think about

1560
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: I need Soper and.

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01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: Samuel accent together. We need to have that, we have

1562
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 2: to have parents.

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01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: Because here's the thing that if you could, here's the

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01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: thing that we haven't got enough of than the mc U.

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01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:46,679
Speaker 1: It's that it is like it is couples that broke

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01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: up that still have mess That's part of why I

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01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: can't wait for the Mutants and for the X Men

1568
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 1: are coming, because that's the whole thing. And that's the

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01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:00,639
Speaker 1: whole thing. It's love trigles this one. These two were together,

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01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 1: but also she's in love with him, and there's a

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01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 1: whole thing. And you know, the these two are carrying

1572
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: on a long running psychic affair like that.

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01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 2: It's like we need that in the MCU.

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01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: And so and so I'm I'm I'm very very hopeful

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01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: that Nick and the Contesta have a history.

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01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: They can be the introduction to the MESSI romance. Okay,

1577
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 2: this is slight. This is now slightly off topic, but

1578
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 2: related to your tangent and it's X Men focus. So

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01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 2: I think it's fine, but how likely. One of the

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01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:36,719
Speaker 2: most famous was a fan love triangle was a canon

1581
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 2: love triangle between a woman and two men Jean Gray,

1582
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 2: Cyclops and Wolverine. Yeah, that has now become a Cannon

1583
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 2: MCU potential polyamorous queer ship situation in the Krakoa Age.

1584
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 2: There is a very famous blueprint of the where they're

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01:31:57,080 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 2: all living, and the doors between Jean's rooms, cyclops room,

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01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 2: and Wolverine's room they all open into each other's rooms.

1587
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: How likely do you think if we're talking about romantic

1588
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: mess obviously Gene Wolverine slash Gene Cyclops, that's going to

1589
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: probably happen if we get an older collection of those heroes,

1590
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 2: which I am leaning towards the idea that the teacher

1591
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 2: the mutants, who we know as the most famous X

1592
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 2: Men will likely be teacher age.

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01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:25,560
Speaker 1: That's what I think they're going to do.

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01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 2: How likely do you think we're going to see them

1595
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,200
Speaker 2: play into that with maybe like the adjoining rooms, or

1596
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,760
Speaker 2: like the idea that it's the three of them, just

1597
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 2: like a little nod As age seems like it's going

1598
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:36,920
Speaker 2: to be the influence for.

1599
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: The Krokoa Age is wonderfully Polly Nah. I don't know

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01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 1: that they would do doors, but I think that they

1601
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: there has to be tension that is there for the

1602
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:56,040
Speaker 1: fans to pick up on, like little things, little comments

1603
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: from Logan about about how happy Gene is, and that

1604
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: has to exist because you know, it's honestly just been

1605
01:33:09,320 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: such a part of the texture of those characters for

1606
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: basically as long as they've been around, Like for as

1607
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: long as Wolverine has been around, he's been in love

1608
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:25,679
Speaker 1: with Jid Gray, like obviously talking about it all the time,

1609
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 1: and for at least that long he and Scott have

1610
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: been like butting heads about it. So it's got to

1611
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: be there in some form of fashion. I think it's

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01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: got to be.

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01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 2: I think about how good, how well played that was

1614
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 2: in the Zero's X Men between fam Key Ansen, Hugh

1615
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:48,879
Speaker 2: Jackman and James Marsden, who is so brilliant as Cyclops.

1616
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 2: I actually think one of my favorite things now I

1617
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 2: think about it. I rewatched those movies like far too much,

1618
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 2: but I do always think about how the end of

1619
01:33:56,680 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 2: Days of Future Past. I think they understand diod that

1620
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 2: relationship even better than some comic book creators did, because

1621
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 2: at the end, after everything is done, Logan goes back

1622
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: and he opens the door of Charles's office and Gene

1623
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 2: is there, and Scott is there, but he's like so

1624
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 2: he's like crying when he sees that Scott is there,

1625
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,000
Speaker 2: not just Jane. And I was just like, Okay, yeah,

1626
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 2: you guys get it. And this is like the the

1627
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 2: love triangle. So yeah, I'm very excited hopefully Nick and

1628
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 2: the Contessa can be the introduction to the romantic mess

1629
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 2: that we need. It's a bit more like the fun

1630
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 2: bantery mess than kind of the original mcu Avengers that

1631
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 2: was very focused on heroics less so on romance, you know,

1632
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 2: and when it did come it was it was kind

1633
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: of touch and go, So it will be nice to

1634
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 2: see that built in in a more extensive, fun way.

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Speaker 1: That's it for us today. Rosie anything to plug.

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Speaker 2: the work that we do here, and I'll be there

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1644
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