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Speaker 1: All the Time. Last week we brought to you, uh uh,

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Speaker 1: that what all of this new stuff means this week

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Speaker 1: a little bit different. Charles Barkley, Sir, Charles the Hall

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Speaker 1: do so. Um. We had a long talks about an

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Speaker 1: lot about him, his upbringing, him playing at Auburn. He

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Speaker 1: Wait to hear where he almost went. That's a tease

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Speaker 1: to make you keep listening. A reminder we have interviews

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Speaker 1: like this daily on the Doug Gottlieb Show. That's a

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Speaker 1: national radio show three to six Eastern twelve three Pacific

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Speaker 1: every day on Fox Sports Radio. You can listen to

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Speaker 1: that in the I Heart Radio app on Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. Be sure to catch the live edition of

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Speaker 1: The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Easter noon

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Speaker 1: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Charles,

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Speaker 1: when you, thanks so much for taking time at first, first,

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Speaker 1: and most importantly, how's your health. I'm great, brother, I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know they I was wasn't seven will one day.

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Speaker 1: If if you were in charge of the NBA, how

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Speaker 1: what would you do like as of today, you can't

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Speaker 1: the arenas. The teams that were competitive probably want to

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Speaker 1: get this thing in. If you're in charge, Charles Barkley

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Speaker 1: is the commissioner, everybody has to do what you say,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? Well? I get the players, obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is the deal. Uh, the owners, they owned these

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Speaker 1: teams forever. We're gonna be broadcasting games when all you

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Speaker 1: guys are are We're gonna have to bite the bullet.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna pay you guys for this season and you're

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Speaker 1: It's not safe for the players, it's not safe for

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Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot believe I'm playing with all

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Speaker 1: these guys. He's like a son. There's always a reason, right,

427
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Speaker 1: there's a reason why they're not there. I'm like, what

428
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Speaker 1: do you mean. He's like, well, why aren't you there?

429
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: I was like, well, because I can't shoot, Like all right, well,

430
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: there you go. You're short, you're white. You can't shoot.

431
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Speaker 1: That's why you're in the usb L. And then if

432
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Speaker 1: you go through every guy and there is is always

433
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Speaker 1: a guy who eats his way out the league. So

434
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: how did you do other than getting up early and conditioning?

435
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 1: Like did you eliminate like irongat pizza? I'm not gonna drink? Like,

436
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: how did you go from rebuilds to two fifty? Well,

437
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: and the main thing is working out. I mean, obviously

438
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: you can't overeat and go crazy, but you can listen,

439
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: you can't lose weight without working out. Let me, Well,

440
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: you could starve yourself to death, but you need energy.

441
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: You need energy to play sports. So obviously I'm gonna

442
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: have to eat. But the main thing is, man, I

443
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: just got I'm like, first of all, when they started

444
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Speaker 1: play once I got one of those checks, and I'm like, wait,

445
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: y'all paying me to do this. I'm like, no, I've

446
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: got to get it in shape. And then obviously I

447
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: started having success. I mean I did. I'm like, oh man,

448
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting good because at the beginning, I wasn't starting.

449
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm coming off the bench and not even

450
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Speaker 1: playing because I couldn't work hard enough. And Billy Kunahammed

451
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: was great for me, like, I'm not gonna play you

452
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Speaker 1: because you're out of shape, but listen. I took it

453
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Speaker 1: that it all goes back to Moses Malone. Man if

454
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Speaker 1: I didn't listen to this, guys and listen now, don't

455
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: playing with a bunch of guys. Not it's forced to

456
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Speaker 1: eating part. But guys who I'm like, yo, man, you

457
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: gotta save your money. You've got to learn how to dress,

458
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: You've got to learn how to play the game. I said.

459
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Speaker 1: Part of being famous is like being nice to people

460
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: just in case you need something from them one day.

461
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: You know, you heard that famous saying as you but

462
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Speaker 1: it'd be nice of those people on your way up

463
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Speaker 1: to the car were doing the same people you're gonna

464
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Speaker 1: meet on the way back down to the bottom. And

465
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys, man, they don't understand. I'm like,

466
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Speaker 1: people said, man, you always sign autographs. I'm like, yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: I'm might need a job on that person one day.

468
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Speaker 1: You always take pictures to sign autographs, I said, yo, man,

469
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Speaker 1: you would never have any ideas where you're gonna meet

470
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Speaker 1: in life, so I'm always gonna sign autographs. Is the

471
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Speaker 1: painting the ass sometimes, of course, but I'm always gonna

472
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Speaker 1: sign autographs and take pictures. That's because that's part of

473
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Speaker 1: it too. I Mean, they're not paying you all this

474
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Speaker 1: money just to play basketball. They're paying you that there

475
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Speaker 1: with the whole all the stuff that goes with being

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Speaker 1: in the line. Right. What was your first BA playoffs? Uh?

477
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Speaker 1: You guys went to the Eastern Conference Finals as defending

478
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Speaker 1: champions and you end up losing to the Boston Celtics. Um,

479
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: what what was that? Was? Prime? Bird? What was Bird like? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know, I've always said Bird was the best at

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Speaker 1: magic and Bird and Lebron those guys are probably the

482
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Speaker 1: best at making players around them better. Uh. You know,

483
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Speaker 1: Kevin McKell is the best pure player I ever played

484
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Speaker 1: against personally, I've said that many many times, but before

485
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Speaker 1: as making guys around them better. Bird, Magic, Lebron, those

486
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Speaker 1: guys are probably the best I've ever seen and making

487
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Speaker 1: everybody around them better. Uh. And and Birds are great, dude. Uh,

488
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Speaker 1: he's really quiet. Um, he's not gonna be a social butterfly,

489
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Speaker 1: but I respect that. He's always quardil and it's always

490
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Speaker 1: been like that. But he's he's he's not He's not

491
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Speaker 1: the type of guy who like he's gonna call him

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Speaker 1: and hey, let's go hang out. They're just not in

493
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Speaker 1: his uh, in his demeanor. Now, McHale is different like that,

494
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Speaker 1: parish is like that, but there's a lot more guarded.

495
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Speaker 1: You mentioned McHale is the best player you ever played against.

496
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Speaker 1: Why what what was it specifically that when you played

497
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Speaker 1: against Kevin mcheal made himself uh so difficult? Well, I

498
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Speaker 1: think number one, he's he's unguardable. Uh. You know some guys,

499
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Speaker 1: even great players, like, okay, we can slow him down,

500
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Speaker 1: but mchaeale's gonna get his shot every single time. Every time.

501
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Speaker 1: You just got like you try to play and play

502
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Speaker 1: him physical, but he's gonna get his shot. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: there's not many guys he's like, wait a minute, they're

504
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Speaker 1: gonna get their shot, Like you could make life hard

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Speaker 1: on them. And for me Kevin McKell maybe because it

506
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Speaker 1: was my my my my height and my I was

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Speaker 1: just short, but that guy was the best. That's offensive center.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he I don't think he's better

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Speaker 1: than Tim dr. I take Tim Doctor is a better

510
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Speaker 1: all around player, but as far as offensively in the post,

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Speaker 1: Kim mckill is gonna get he's gonna get his all right,

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Speaker 1: So if he was the best, who's the guy that

513
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Speaker 1: has the best reputation that really wasn't as good as

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Speaker 1: his reputation. You know, I don't. I don't. I don't

515
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Speaker 1: know about that does because I don't. I don't think. Listen,

516
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: every NBA player is not great. I said this on

517
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Speaker 1: the air all the time. I'm not died in your question.

518
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Speaker 1: Like every like the worst guy on an NBA player

519
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Speaker 1: is a really good player. He's not Kobe or Lebron Michael,

520
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: but like Tim leven and twelve is pretty good damn player.

521
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Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things to get

522
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Speaker 1: lost when we talked about sports sometimes like wait, yeah,

523
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: these guys don't get in the game, but they really

524
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Speaker 1: good players. Now you talked about earlier what separates some guys.

525
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Speaker 1: Some guys are three inches twenty pounds too light to

526
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Speaker 1: play in the NBA, but they're great backups and they're

527
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: never gonna cause problems on the bench. That's a lot

528
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Speaker 1: of things that depicts d that's part of playing the game.

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Speaker 1: You give me a guy who's like, Okay, this guy,

530
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: he's a good player, he's solid. He ain't gonna cause

531
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Speaker 1: no problem. He ain't gonna be bad, not in the

532
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: coach or complain about playing time. He's gonna work hard

533
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: and practice every single day. But he's probably, like I said,

534
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: he's probably three inches too small, or he's probably not

535
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Speaker 1: strong enough. And you see guys like that in the

536
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: NBA today who just gonna come in, work hard, practice hard,

537
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: ain't gonna call more problems. That's a lot easier to

538
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Speaker 1: deal with. And the guy who's got a ton of talents,

539
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: who don't know he's not that good. He just got

540
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Speaker 1: a ton of talent and he's a painting ass to

541
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Speaker 1: deal with. Um. After the Celtics series two years in

542
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: a row, I believe you guys lost to the Bucks.

543
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: And it's like there's so many NBA teams that everybody

544
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: glosses over. I had Mark On, We talked about the Calves.

545
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: People forget those Paul Prescy, Avin Robertson. Bucks teams were

546
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: nasty as well. Why couldn't you guys beat the Bucks? Well?

547
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: I think two reasons and one we were old, uh uh.

548
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: And I wasn't Charles Barkley yet. Uh. You know, I

549
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: started becoming Charles Barker my third year and then by

550
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: that time, Doc Moses, I think we had traded Maurice

551
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Andrew Tony hair retired and we were just caught in

552
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: uh in no man's land when you get too old, brother,

553
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: and nothing you could do. And then, like I said,

554
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't there yet. I was just started turning into

555
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley. But when she went back, well, obviously way

556
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: past that prime. We had traded Maurice and Andrew Tony

557
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: was retired, so that's why we couldn't beat them. What changed?

558
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: What what allowed you? Was it confidence? Was it just

559
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: the amount of times you played? Was it the fact

560
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: that those guys, the older guys had kind of given

561
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Speaker 1: you mo or shots? Like? What changed that? You know,

562
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: your third year in the NBA you have you lead

563
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: the league in rebounding, right, you average twenty three game Obviously, Uh,

564
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: everything seems to change. What was it that that allowed

565
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: that light switched to go on? Oh? I think number one,

566
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: my confidence. You asked the questions. My confidence went through

567
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the roof. But the main thing I got myself in

568
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: like I'm at two fifty, you know, for the next

569
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: ten ten years or more, so I feel really good

570
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: about my game. Nobody I know nobody can stop me.

571
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my ten to twelve fourteen rebounds to night,

572
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get twenty to twenty five unless and

573
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get more unless they double me. And I

574
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 1: was feeling like at that point, I'm pull along myself.

575
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Speaker 1: If there's one thing that you want people to know

576
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: about the Dream Team, what would it be, Well, how

577
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: well we all got along together, how friendly everybody was

578
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: to each other, how much we respected each other. You know,

579
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: because Duck I, I got a unique perspective. You know,

580
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: I played at ninety six two and I hated it.

581
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't want to play in ninety six

582
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: because I wanted somebody else to enjoy the experience. And

583
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Lenny said to me, no, I need you to be

584
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: a veteran. Uh, I need you to be a leader

585
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: on this team. And dudes were complaining about playing time,

586
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: Guys were complaining about starting and it sucked for me

587
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, like, I'm playing with the

588
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: best team ever. Guys got a long well, Chuck Data

589
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: had two starting lineup. Nobody ever complained or ever complained

590
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: about playing time. But ninety six to me was a nightmare,

591
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: like I said, we had guys bitching and complaining like

592
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: I should be starting, I should be playing more. I'm like, yo, man,

593
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: everybody can't play. You're playing in the Olympics in the

594
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: United States. But that was the second thing that swade

595
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: because obviously I couldn't bring everybody to Barcelona. But being

596
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: in Atlanta and and you know, being from Leeds was

597
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: like two hours away from Atlanta. It was really nice

598
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: for a bunch of our friends and family to be

599
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: able to come over and see the Olympics in person.

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Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, there's very raality united States

601
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Speaker 1: hosted Olympics. So that's way you mean for six ninety six,

602
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: ain't a lie? Was a nightmare? There there's you you

603
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Speaker 1: take you have unbelievable patients with shack and with a

604
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: lot of people who come at you for not having

605
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: won a championship. You wouldn't be as great a player

606
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: as you were unless you were an unbelievable competitor. On

607
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: the other hand, like that's the only argument that's ever

608
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: used against you, when when you have to when you

609
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: and and look, you do the self deprecating stuff all

610
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Speaker 1: the time, But how does it really feel to look

611
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: back on an incredible career. You recognize an Olympian gold medalists,

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Speaker 1: you Hall of Famer, and yet people will, you know,

613
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, you didn't win championships? How does that

614
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: feel inside? I don't go crazy, man, It's a team game,

615
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: you know. I don't understand. I mean, and I understand

616
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: how fame works. I understand how I fain like you

617
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: get all the credit and you get all the blame.

618
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Speaker 1: I understand that I'm Doug. I wouldn't be successful in

619
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: basketball and on TV for nineteen years if I didn't

620
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: understand the bs of the way the thing works. Uh,

621
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Speaker 1: guys are not gonna and this is not a knock.

622
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: He's just a great friend. It is not gonna do

623
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Speaker 1: any good for you guys to come on TV and

624
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: READIO to talk about said the bollos um Uh you

625
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: know you guys. Uh, And I'm just naming guys now.

626
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: You know you guys never say, man's uh, this guy

627
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to booby Bruby Gibson didn't win a championship,

628
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: you know. But I understand when you're famous, like a

629
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Speaker 1: lot of people, you pay a lot of people bills.

630
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Speaker 1: And I'm the guy that some people take shots at

631
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: but I'm like, yo, man, I'm not I here by myself.

632
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: But I do understand, like, Okay, I'm famous. It's for

633
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: you guys to make money on TV and radio. You

634
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: got to talk about me. But in retrospect, I said

635
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Speaker 1: some of you earlier. That's why one of the reason

636
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: I think they pay you so much money and just

637
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: to deal with all the bs that you have to

638
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: deal with. And so I don't take it personally because

639
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: I can say I know it was a team game,

640
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: but I do understand how the whole business model works. Um,

641
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: the last thing, and I know you gotta go. You've

642
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: ben more than gracious with your go ahead. Okay, all right,

643
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: well we keep going and keep going. Um uh you

644
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: you tried to They tried to do the super team

645
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: thing in Houston at the end of your career. How

646
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: did that come together? You know? I was very disappointed,

647
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: number one, that the Sons traded me. Uh. First of all,

648
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: we weren't a super team. We were super old team.

649
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: We were all past our prime. But I was disappointed

650
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: that they traded me out of Phoenix. I never wanted

651
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: to leave Phoenix, but like I said, I was I

652
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: had two decent years in in in Houston, I was

653
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: done physically pretty much. So I had two decent years

654
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: in Houston and two years to suck. The team was done. Uh, basically,

655
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of had a little bit. Well, scott Acid

656
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: went on and play some more years, but we were

657
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: just a super old team. We weren't a super team,

658
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: but we were all passed our prime. And I never

659
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: wanted to get traded out of Phoenix in pairness? Is it? Is? It?

660
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting here. You're from Leeds obviously, Uh,

661
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: Scottie Shrom Arkansas, Jordans from Wilmington's you know, so oftentimes

662
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: the the you know, New York City, l A, those

663
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: guys get a ton of the hype. But it is

664
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: fasting karm alone from from Louisiana, right, like all these

665
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: small town kids from the South. Uh and and the

666
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: uh the amount of success that you guys had in

667
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: the NBA, and and and still to this day, the

668
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: South is considered football country and it is football country.

669
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: How is it though, that so many guys that game

670
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: from your part of the country have been so dominant

671
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: in the in the NBA. Well, man, it just goes

672
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: to show great players. I mean, Larry Bird is from Indiana, Uh,

673
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: Prince Lick, Indiana. Other than like, I mean, I think

674
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed who's the second most important person

675
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: from French Lick, India. You will be hard pressed to

676
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: know that. Uh, Kevin McHale is from Minnesota. Uh. Like.

677
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: So I just think there's great players everywhere. I really

678
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: believe that. And like I said, I'm never surprised or shocked. Uh,

679
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm never surprised that you imagine that there's a guy's

680
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: greatest Dirk Nabinski from Germany, that left Shrimp from Germany. Uh,

681
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: Tony Parker from France, Genobli from argent Aina, Bega saw Brothers. Like,

682
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: There's just great basketball players everywhere. So I don't think

683
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: you can be shocked where you're like, oh, he's from

684
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: this place. I mean, during a whisky, it's the greatest

685
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: foreign basketball player ever and he's from Germany, and you're like, wow,

686
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing. I mean, that's really amazing. As a

687
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I actually have an answer for you.

688
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: By the way, Jerry Reynolds, who used to coach the Kings,

689
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: um the Sacramento Kings, He's from French like Indiana. So

690
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: I had all this is the first of all, I

691
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: should jump through the phone and punch you in your

692
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: head if you're kind of claim Jerry Reynolds as a

693
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: famous person. Now. I love Jerry. He's been great at

694
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: the NBA for a long time. I think he's still

695
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: still at money during the during the King's Games. But

696
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: we're not gonna called Jerry famous. Please stop. I understand

697
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: you un just stood the point that the point was like,

698
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I was like, I just tell you in French Link

699
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: just just to see, just for ships and giggles, just

700
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: to see. And I was like, damn that that's that's

701
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: pretty pretty pretty amazing. But you all right, you know

702
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: you don't want to say one thing about that, uh

703
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: by the night and so he drove me in Lady

704
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: Bird off. So that's a nice list to be on,

705
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I just thought about that

706
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: when we started talking about French leg I mean, so

707
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm on the same list with Larry Bird. But it's

708
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: so funny you said though, because nobody ever mentioned that.

709
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: They're like I've heard people say, well, Bobby and I

710
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: didn't take Charles Barkley's crap. I'm like, first of all,

711
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't Charles Barkley at the time at all. I

712
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: wasn't Charles Barkley at all at the time. But nobody said, well,

713
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: he did drive Larry Bird off too. I'm like, yeah,

714
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: he did. But y'all never want to talk about that.

715
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: But I always laugh when I hear that, you know,

716
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: I I it's a you know, it's a fascinating it's

717
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: a fascinating point. What's the truth on Isaiah? I had

718
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: no idea, bo And I'm not avoiding your question. I'm

719
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: gonna and I want to say this. First of all,

720
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: I like Isaia. You probably should have been on the

721
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: Dream Team. Michael Jordan's never mentioned that to me. Rod

722
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Thorne never mentioned that to me. Uh, And I'm disappointed.

723
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard some people say some guys on

724
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: the Dream Team, well some guys didn't want him on

725
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: the Dream Team. They should come forward and say that. Um.

726
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: But Rod Thorne, when he called me asked me to

727
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: be on the Dream Team, never mentioned Isaiah Thomas. I

728
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: ever mentioned Isaiah Thomas. So I just think it's disrespect

729
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: to Isaiah to act like because I don't think I

730
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: like Isaiah. Uh. Uh do was he wrong? Not shaking

731
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: the bulls heads. Of course he was wrong for not

732
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: doing that. But every time I get a as to

733
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: answer that question, I'm like, I want to make it

734
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: perfectly clear. They never asked me about Isaiah Thomas periods.

735
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot of stuff though too.

736
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: There was the Larry would be just another guy if

737
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: he was a black eye. There was the magic stuff

738
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: where they had had a falling out as well, you know,

739
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: and you have to maybe wonder if it wasn't just

740
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: assumed right, like we just think that also. Listen, man,

741
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: we all say stuff. First of all, I got to

742
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: say something. I don't agree with Isaiah on the latter

743
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: of birds stuff. But listen, man, I think all the

744
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: bitter batters battles that we went they went through and

745
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: me went through. Uh, you're gonna say some things in

746
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: the heat at the moment. Uh, Like I said, Uh,

747
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure as they have regress not shaking their hands,

748
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: but we've all said stuff in the heat at the moment.

749
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: You just lost six seven game series of these guys

750
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: two or three years in a row, or you got

751
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: swept or something. I'm just sure you know, the guys,

752
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: there are times you gotta get that due credit, man,

753
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: when you threw that ball away and came back and

754
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: won the championship after that, I mean a lot of

755
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 1: guys wouldn't have came back from him throwing that ball

756
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: with Larry In accepted. But I think that we all

757
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: say stuff in the heat at the moment that we

758
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: wish we could go back and change, and sometimes you can't. Yeah,

759
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you can't. Um, there's a there's a it's impossible,

760
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: it's really impossible to compare eras right because the game

761
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: is played so incredibly differently now. Um, but is there

762
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: is there a guy or two that you say, Look,

763
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: I understand our our game was more physical. There was

764
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: a power forward and a center, and so the space

765
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: of just getting to the rim and and the way

766
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: in which they play now and the rules in terms

767
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: of hand checking were different. If you were to say,

768
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: there's a guy or two that their game would absolutely

769
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: translate to our game. When you play in the NBA,

770
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: who would have been Well, obviously Klobe and Lebron gonna

771
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna gonna do their things. Uh. First of all, I

772
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: think all the great players can play in any era.

773
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's interesting when you talk about

774
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: different errors. You have to be realistic. Now, you know,

775
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: we all love Steph Curry. Correct, he's a great player

776
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: and a great man. But from a common sense standpoint,

777
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: after you watched his Last Dance documentary, you have to

778
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: set yourself. Man, if the Pistons had been hitting him

779
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: like that, you know, that would have changed some things up.

780
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't even have to like I mean,

781
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: if you're just gonna be legitimate and be honest, it's fair.

782
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: You gotta say, hey, we all love Steph Curry, but

783
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: if the Detroit Pistons had been hitting him like that,

784
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: it's as frail as he is, that would have been like,

785
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: oh man, that would have been different. That's not a

786
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: knock on anybody. It's not a knocking anybody. But from

787
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: a common sens standpoint, you have to say, yeah, if

788
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: the Pistons would have been hitting him like that, uh,

789
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: it would have made some changes in his game. That's

790
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: totally fair. Listen, when I get roasted to this day

791
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,479
Speaker 1: because I didn't I thought he I thought he would

792
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: be like a Horness sec type right, just because he

793
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 1: was such a great shooter, not really a point, not

794
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: really a two. You know, could he really guard somebody

795
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: with his his body coming in. That was my evaluation

796
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: of him, and it was it was wrong. Part of

797
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: it was he's gotten way better, as you said, like

798
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: I was in Charles Barkley like he wasn't he was

799
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: in Steph Curry even early in his NBA career, right,

800
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's been well documented that the Golden

801
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: State Warriors offered him up for trade several times over.

802
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: So even they didn't know what they had when they

803
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: had it early on. So of course the rest of

804
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: us shouldn't be faulted if we didn't believe what they

805
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: had early on or beforehand. Um, it's just well you

806
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: talk about the subsid in reality. If you remember they

807
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: went crazy and opening when they traded Monte Ellis instead

808
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: of Steff you know that that's one of the reasons

809
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: you like, you know some of this stuff, man, you

810
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: just have to laugh at because people are so full

811
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: of crap about I'm very aware I'm in the NBA

812
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: when people were going crazy, They're like, why don't you

813
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: trade Steph Curry? You traded Monte Allis, But people forget

814
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: that because you know, they want to be right in

815
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: this moment and stuff is. First of all, he has

816
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: been amazing because he's been great for the game, but

817
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: he's been a great player and a great guy. But

818
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: I do I always have to laugh that people like, yeah,

819
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 1: you do. All these people who are Steph Curry Way

820
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: and Steph Curry, Jerry Jerseys, how many of y'all were

821
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: actually brewing because there were a lot of people brewing

822
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: and complaining when they traded Monte Ellis instead of step

823
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: So you just gotta laugh at some of the b

824
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: after this whole thing sometimes, no no question about it.

825
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: Um Durant has this Duran's had this kind of mere

826
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: furial career in terms of talent wise and skill right

827
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: like that dude is unbelievable. I mean, really, a guy

828
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: at that size who can as you pointed out, like

829
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: early on we were talking big guys that can he

830
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 1: can handle, he can shoot. He's shown that in Golden

831
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: State he can actually defend and defend the him like

832
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 1: there's nothing he really cannot do. On the other hand,

833
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: there just seems to be this unhappiness about him, and

834
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: I can't figure out why that you're winning a couple

835
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: of championships in Golden State, there wasn't more happiness that

836
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: he's still kind of searching. Why do you think that is? Well,

837
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 1: clearly he was insecure. When you're arguing with teenagers, when

838
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: you're Kevin the Rent, you want the greatest basketball player

839
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: as ever, you're arguing with foods on Twitter teenagers. Uh,

840
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: to me, that's an insecurity thing. Uh. And I don't know.

841
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where that comes from, because he's a

842
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: he's a first of all, he's a great guy. But

843
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: clearly he's got them scam. I don't know all that

844
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: comes from, to be honest with you, because listen, he

845
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: should be like at peace with himself right now because

846
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: he's already one. He's gonna make more money than God

847
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: the next ten years or more. And like, yo, man,

848
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: you've already won. You know, you've already one. What are

849
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: you upset about? And you have to so so it's

850
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting how he handles the whole New York things,

851
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: because I tell people, man, until you it's gonna be

852
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: interesting how him and Kyrie handled the New York things,

853
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: because that's a different animal right there. Uh, New York

854
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: is a different animal, and it's gonna be always tell people,

855
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, you guys. You guys on the

856
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: West coast. That's like, that's like that dude in the

857
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: White House that the West Coast is stake. Dudes, No, no, no,

858
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: go to New York, Philly, Boston. That's real news. Ain't

859
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: no fake news coming out of Philly, New York in Boston,

860
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: like the like, like when I got traded to Phoenix.

861
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: There's some of the things they wrote them. Right, man,

862
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: that's the nicest thing somebody said it about me. And

863
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: in eight years, even if it was bad, it was

864
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: like the first thing I had heard. Uh, I said.

865
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, that's the nicet thing somebody said

866
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: to me in the last four or five years in Philly.

867
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: And there's a double standard. But the East Coast they

868
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting how they howl the whole of

869
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: New York thing. Yeah, no question, especially because I mean,

870
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: if you really get down to it, um, the nets

871
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: aren't really there, like the ninth Yeah, and I think

872
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: I said, like the seventh most popular professional sports franchise.

873
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: On the other hand, if something goes wrong or they

874
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: don't do well, and maybe in their need for attention,

875
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: the negative stories always far outweigh the positive story, so

876
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: that that that's going to be fast and I want

877
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: to go to that Phoenix. Okay. So one of the

878
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,760
Speaker 1: here's my one of my disappointing things with the doc okay,

879
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: is that they did talk about your final series, but

880
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: they just kind of did like the you know, basically

881
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: the end of Game six and maybe the triple overtime

882
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: game a little bit. That series is fascinating because the

883
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: road team won all but one game, right, and this

884
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: is and people forget, like this is back in the

885
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: era where teams always dominated at home and it was

886
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: just it was it was weird. What what's missing from

887
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: the description of the NBA Final series against against the Bulls.

888
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: I did not have my team read it to play

889
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: Game one. The moment was too big for our team,

890
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: and I think I take full responsibility for that. You know.

891
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: It's interesting, uh because when I was watching the documentary,

892
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: Michael Sith is that same thing in Game one against

893
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: the Lakers. That's the only game they lost, uh, that series?

894
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 1: But who said, man, game one it was too big

895
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: for us and I never we never talked about that,

896
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: and I did not have my team ready even though

897
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: we had played it. I've been in Philly for eight years.

898
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: I've been in big situations before that. When we got

899
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: to the finals, it was bigger, and I didn't have

900
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: my team prepared. And like I said, it was really

901
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: funny and ironic when I saw Michael said that in

902
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: the documentary when he says, yeah, game one against the Lakers,

903
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: the lights were really bright, too big, because and but

904
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: I was not able to pull us back because because

905
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm playing against Michael. But that's really my only regret

906
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: is not head of my team ready for game one,

907
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: Game two. Game two is a close game? What? What? What?

908
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: Never did the game? Every game was close? Uh, to

909
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: be honest with you, every game was close except game one.

910
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: Game once the only bad game we played. Uh. The

911
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: other five games could have went either way. And obviously

912
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: they won three and we won two. But all the games, uh,

913
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: we're really really close games. And I was, and I

914
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: can said. The only thing I'm mad at and pissed

915
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: it myself about is you know, obviously when you got

916
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 1: game one at home, you've got to win game one

917
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: at home because that's sess the throne for the entire series.

918
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: Um if if is there is there a moment that

919
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: you look back, You're like, man if I would have

920
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: done one this one thing. We would have gotten to

921
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: seven in Game seven at home? Anything was? Is there do?

922
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: Or is there? Just not that moment? Just because on

923
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: the dock you said, look, I I played, I played

924
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: as well as I could and I just got outplayed

925
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: by you. Don't you don't you don't feel terrible about

926
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: losing to Michael Jordan's but you're still again a competitor

927
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: and it's years later. Is there something like if this

928
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: would have happened, the series would have changed? I think

929
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: that for me personally. There was two series and two

930
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: plays and were so we were up. I mean they

931
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: even when Paxon hit the the three we have, they

932
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: scored seven straight points. I think we were up six.

933
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: But we called to play is in a row to

934
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: get me the ball and they've doubled me with Scott

935
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: and Harris Grant, and I had to pass the ball

936
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 1: two times in a row. We needed one more basket

937
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get that one basket because, like I say,

938
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Hearts Grant and Scott of people on the two best

939
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: defenders I've ever seen on the on the four or

940
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: five position. Uh, and when they do w and Michael's

941
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: playing the free safety. I told somebody the other day,

942
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: it's good as that bullet team. Wis the Rottman, and

943
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: Robin was a better individual defender, but heart Grant was

944
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: a better safety defender. So when you played against Michael

945
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: and Scott and Harris, they were like free safety. If

946
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: you didn't make the perfect parents, they were going to

947
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: the other direction. So I regretted the fact that I

948
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: couldn't make one more play. I made the smart basketball play.

949
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: But and I my mom always tried to make a

950
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: smart basketball play. But those are the only two plays

951
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: that I regret that series. Yeah, you have been roasted

952
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: on first taking on undisputed for passing the ball. How

953
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: dare you pass the ball in your double team to

954
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: make the smart I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Yeah, you know

955
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 1: it's so interesting because you know, I got a lot

956
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: of hatred hatred for skill Bayliss, a lot of hatred

957
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's a good dude, and uh

958
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: I think that he I really just don't like him

959
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: at all. But and I'm thinking, like, you know, he

960
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: always criticizing Lebron from making a good basketball player. I'm like, yeah,

961
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: like Michael didn't pass the ball to Paxson or Steve

962
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: Kerr what they made to found a basket like you

963
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: always you know, and and it makes me mad when

964
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: you're here, like, no, man, you make the proper back

965
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: because you see, I'm smart enough to go back. And

966
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: I was telling you earlier, like if I try to

967
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: score on a double team and turn the ball over,

968
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna say, see he was trying to be the

969
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: hero and he took a bad shot or turn the

970
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: ball over. See, I'm smart enough to understand how this

971
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: whole thing works. I don't get caught up in what

972
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: guys say on morning television because I know they're just

973
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: trying to get click baked. Like if I try to

974
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: store on two guys and I turned the ball over,

975
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: I know how it worked. Man. This guy trying to

976
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: be the hero. He wants to make every big shot.

977
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: But when I and I'm saying, like, yo, man, I

978
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: just saw Paxson pass him. M J passed the ball

979
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: to Paxson, which was a great play. And I just

980
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: saw him pass the ball to Steve Kerr, which is

981
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: a great basketball play. The crazy thing about the packing

982
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: thing was I think he threw it up with the

983
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: Scotty and Scotty Horse Grant had I would say, probably

984
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: what like a five footer. He could have stepped in,

985
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: almost laid in. He didn't even look at the basket.

986
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: He let me tell you something I knew because I

987
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: had scouted that playout because I looked at Cape earlier

988
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: in the season. So the play was and I wasn't

989
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: worried about. I actually wasn't worried about anybody but Michael

990
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 1: and Paxson because back and I had some big shots

991
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: against the Lakers in the playoffs. First of the guys,

992
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: they wasn't gonna So the play was. He threw the

993
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: ball to Scotty, so I jumped the play because I

994
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: knew he was gonna try to get the ball to

995
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: Michael coming at a four feet which was a nightmare.

996
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: So I jumped and stopped him to a pass to Michael.

997
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: Scotti could have had a layup or came close to

998
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: shoot the lip. He wasn't gonna shoot it. He gave

999
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: the hardest who probably had a layup or a little shot.

1000
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: The only mistake we made because I say, because I'm

1001
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: staying to myself, if these guys four, it's still a

1002
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: tie game. And we got the ball with eight nine

1003
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 1: seconds ago, but we left a three point shooter because

1004
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: those other two guys were I wasn't worried about those

1005
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: other two guys, Like, Okay, even if they score, we

1006
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: got we got the ball as a times core, but

1007
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: we didn't make a mistake leaving a three point shooter.

1008
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: And that was the mistake. Yeah. Yeah, and Paxton obviously

1009
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: had done it again. That that was the third straight

1010
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: year of doing it. Just it seemed like that. That's

1011
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: how every series, every series seemed to end the next

1012
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: two years. You guys lost to the Rockets, I mean again.

1013
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: And I know there was a documentary NBA TV did

1014
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: on the Rip City teams because Jordan wasn't involved, because

1015
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: there was the the O J Car chase, right, because

1016
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: there's so much other stuff. How good were those Rockets

1017
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 1: teams in comparison to the Bulls teams. I don't think

1018
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: they're as good as the Bullet team. But they had

1019
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: just an unstoppable weapon. Uh. That guy in Houston, Uh

1020
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: was able to first of all, yet he had shots

1021
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: that they would are unguardable. Uh. He was great defenderly

1022
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: and they had a bunch of guys they had to

1023
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: sell up coming off the bench. Vernnon mas well can

1024
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: he played well. Uh. Clyde Drexel played pretty good, but

1025
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: they just had that one guy that he was just

1026
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: so good offensively and defensively. Uh. And like I said,

1027
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: it was too seven game series, hell of a series too.

1028
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: But uh, that was frustrating those two losses. Yeah, I'm

1029
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure all right. I will get to the last

1030
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: couple of things. Um. Uh, like basketball is in a

1031
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: weird place now and you have and when we got

1032
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: to work together, and in watching you cover the n

1033
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: c A tournament, you are a believer in the college system.

1034
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: On the other hand, it's not like you don't want

1035
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: players to get what they're worth and get what they're

1036
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: due when they get to the NBA, when they achieve things.

1037
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: You now have an option for some we don't know

1038
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: how many with the G League Select Team. You've had

1039
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: some guys go overseas. You have college sports which they're

1040
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: giving kids more cost of attendance and they're gonna do

1041
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: some name and likeness stuff. If you had a if

1042
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: you had a son who's sixteen, seventeen years old, what

1043
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: would you tell him about what what he should think about,

1044
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: what he should worry about how he should act, how

1045
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, like I if you're because there's college there,

1046
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: there's there's parents that listen to this and they'll say, well,

1047
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: Charles has lived all these different lives, what would you

1048
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: do well? Number One, I get mad when people till

1049
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: you black kids getting the free education is a bad thing.

1050
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: It drives me crazy, I really do. It really drives

1051
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: me crazy when we tell the black kids like, you're

1052
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 1: just getting an education, Like, yeah, that's a real deal.

1053
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: So that's the first thing that pisses me off. Secondly,

1054
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: we're only talking about a couple of guys. I mean,

1055
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: we're talking about a very small percentage of guys who

1056
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: are gonna go on and make it in the NBA,

1057
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: like left to one percent. And now we're gonna ruin

1058
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: the whole business model of all the other kids who

1059
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: are going to college and getting the free education. Uh.

1060
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: The likeness thing is interesting. I think it's gonna build

1061
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: a lot of resentment between players. Uh because only one

1062
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: or two guys gonna be getting endorsements. Uh, let's be realistic,

1063
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: only one or two guys, and most guys ain't gonna

1064
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: get endorsements or commercial or anything or sell their likeness,

1065
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: but one or two guys gonna make I don't know

1066
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: how much they're gonna make, but that's kinda bear some resentment,

1067
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: and jel stay in there. You know. Let's take a

1068
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: college football team. Yeah, everybody's gonna buy the quarterback and

1069
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: the running back in the wide receiver jerseys. But if

1070
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm a big fat offensive lineman and I'm doing all

1071
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: the work for the quarterback and the running back and

1072
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm not getting a dime, and my man is making

1073
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: an extra three hundred thousand of dollars in jerseys and

1074
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: he's got a card deal, you don't think I'm gonna

1075
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 1: be pissed. Yeah, I'm gonna be pissed. I don't like

1076
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: the G League model. I was wondering what the NBA's

1077
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: angle on that G League thing was. I'm thinking, like, all,

1078
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: you know, the only ANNWN is one salary on one kid.

1079
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: They said, well, we're gonna pay this one kid five

1080
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, But other kids, they're like, well, they're

1081
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: just gonna sign with the G League. I'm like, I

1082
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: know they're not gonna pay them all five hundred thousand

1083
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: dollars because you know, they always got an angle, and

1084
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: then I said, well, there's gotta be another angle, because

1085
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: if I'm a kid, it's better for me to go

1086
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: to Auburn, you know, uh, Kansas, U C l A, Kentucky,

1087
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Michigan State. A lot of eased me to go there,

1088
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: and a live that for six months where I got

1089
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: three meals a day. I'm gonna be on national television

1090
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: three or four days a week, or I'm going to

1091
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: Fort Wayne, Indiana. And I'm like, nah, the NBA is

1092
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: not gonna put these studs in Fort Wayne, Indiana. No

1093
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: disrespective h Fort Wayne. And then then the theme come

1094
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: out about the Select team. I said, oh, they're gonna

1095
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: put They're gonna cherry pick the best players and put

1096
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: them in l A, a big city. Because I was like, wait, man,

1097
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: they're not gonna take all these players and put them

1098
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: in these little crappy towns and played monor league and

1099
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: ride around on buses and fly around on coach. They're

1100
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: not gonna do that. And I'm saying, no, I know

1101
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: the NBA, well up, they're not going to do that.

1102
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: And I said, oh, I see. Now they're gonna have

1103
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: a G League Select They're gonna have all the other

1104
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: players who ain't gonna make it in the NBA, they're

1105
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna have them playing in crappy city. But the guys

1106
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: they say got a top prospect, they're gonna put them

1107
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: in a in a select team. I'm saying I knew

1108
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: they had an angle, it just took me a while

1109
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Yeah, I guess, I guess. My

1110
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: My issue, though, is that there's a there's a bunch

1111
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: of different levels to it. One. I just believe that

1112
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: everybody needs a chance to be away from home, but

1113
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: not a professional, right, a true professional. There's just that's

1114
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: a really hard even even if you're making half a million,

1115
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: and even if you just know so. First of all,

1116
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 1: let's get one three straight. That kid ain't gonna make

1117
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: a half a million dollars. He's gonna make by the

1118
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: time he pays his taxes, pays his agent. Number one,

1119
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna put all those kids in l A. You

1120
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: know how expensive it is in l A. You know

1121
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: they probably gonna have to bring a mom and dad

1122
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: and a bunch of other people with them. They're not

1123
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna sit in the seventeen eighteen year old kid to

1124
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: l A. And now that little five hundred thousand dollars

1125
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be nearly enough for these kids. I mean,

1126
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: think about that. Like I said, once they pay their

1127
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: attacks that we're talking to fifty somewhere in there. Like

1128
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta pay your agent. And now you're

1129
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to bring a bunch of people with you

1130
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: because like, wait, I'm not sending my kid to l

1131
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: A and let him live by himself. So I'm bringing everybody.

1132
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: Now all that little champ change is gone. I'd rather

1133
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: send my kids to Calipari, Pearl Bill Self, Roy Williams,

1134
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: Larry Mike Schowski for six months. We're only talking six months.

1135
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: I know my kids gonna have a place to stay

1136
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: every day. He gonna get three square meals a day

1137
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: and I ain't got to worry about his safety. That that,

1138
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: to me, is a better plan than this G League thing. Well.

1139
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: The other part to it, though, is that there's there's

1140
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: different different parts to one. They're gonna play games, but

1141
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 1: they're more like exhibitions, like I want to know how you.

1142
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: I want to know one, how you fit into a

1143
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: team and a team structure. Right as a it's a

1144
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: it's a delicate thing. Even if you're a superstar walking

1145
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: into a team structure with other guys that played college basketball.

1146
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: You have not like how do you how do you

1147
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: deal with that? That's not something you have to do.

1148
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: When you're on a G League select team, you just

1149
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of play, and that's not what real basketball is.

1150
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 1: There's also no winning and losing, like learning how to win.

1151
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: As you point out at Auburn right had one forever

1152
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: You guys get the five hundred and fifteen and thirteen

1153
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: your second year and then you win twenty games and

1154
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: go to the n C a term in your third year.

1155
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: Like that that learning and not just learning how for

1156
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: you to win, but to get everybody else around you

1157
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: to win. We're like skipping steps on this thing in

1158
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: terms of you and say, are you going to turn

1159
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: these kids to loose in l a with are you

1160
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: going to practice in the morning? Now they've got all

1161
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: these free times. At least think you go to college

1162
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: for six months you and sometimes constructed environment, the parents,

1163
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: the mom and dad don't have to worry about you.

1164
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a better model than select. Like I said, also,

1165
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have these other guys in the g D

1166
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: trying to kill these young kids like Oh, you're the

1167
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: number You're the number one high school player in the country.

1168
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,919
Speaker 1: You know I'm trying to feed my family too. I'm

1169
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: coming for your head every single day I've tried to

1170
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: the league. I know the league is trying to make

1171
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: it where you can go and we gotta put prop

1172
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: you up on the on the elite team. But if

1173
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm a guy playing on one of these other teams, like, oh,

1174
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm playing against the number one player quote unquote in

1175
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: the draft, I'm going to get him. I mean, it

1176
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: just opened up a long stuff. I think it's not necessary.

1177
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 1: And let me tell you my biggest part with it.

1178
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: All of the Lebron James, even Kobe Bryant and Kevin Gardners,

1179
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: not the kids have read it for the NBA app

1180
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: a one year of college. I would love to see

1181
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 1: him stay longer. I know that's not going to happen,

1182
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: but none of these kids are ready for the NBA

1183
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: right away. Anyway. Why you brought up the education, and

1184
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: there's there's no bigger factor in um the socio economic

1185
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: structure of our country then education. It really divides how

1186
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: much you're going to make. And I find it fascinating

1187
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: that the the original fight was for equal equal education.

1188
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: You go back to segregation, and when they finally put

1189
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 1: schools together, it was you're just trying to give somebody

1190
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: a fair shot and give them an equal education. We

1191
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: still aren't there with our public schools, elementary, middle and

1192
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: high school. We're still not there. But this can even

1193
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: out some of the structure, right, because if you get

1194
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 1: a college degree, your kids are more likely to get

1195
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: a college degree, You're more likely to live longer, be

1196
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: more educated, et cetera. The people around start more businesses.

1197
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: I kind of don't understand why there's not more so uh,

1198
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: successful African Americans like yourself that understand that value of

1199
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: the education to get kind of caught up in the hey,

1200
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: we should be making more money immediately instead of kind

1201
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: of that long term play. Why do you think that is? Well?

1202
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: Of course, unfortunately, our black kids have brainwashed to think

1203
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 1: they can only be successful through athletics and entertainment. You know,

1204
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: the most of the famous people they see it athletes

1205
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: and entertainers. You know. The one of the things that

1206
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: I've done, I just gave my fourth million dollars to

1207
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: historically black colleges. Uh that's before I've given a million

1208
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: to and I'm like, we ain't. None of this money

1209
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: goes to sports. This is strictly about black education. And

1210
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: when we when I meet with these kids and talk

1211
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: to him, I say, hey, no, no, no, we're not

1212
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Michael Jordan's. We're not gonna talk about Lebron,

1213
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: We're not gonna talk about jay Z. We're gonna talk

1214
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: about the doctor, lawyer's, engineers, teachers, priving, and policeman's. And

1215
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: that's the thing I'm doing behind the scenes. But he's,

1216
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: like I said, most of the black people these kids see,

1217
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 1: they're all rich and famous, and we have lost the

1218
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: perception of what a free education is. And that's why

1219
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: I keep railing against the system. Yeah, the NBA is

1220
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: gonna cherry pick the best athletes, so I can say

1221
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: they're such a small number I wish. And and let

1222
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: me tell you something, the NBA, the n C double A,

1223
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: they are a bunch of bubbling foods. They suspending guys

1224
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: for taking an extra pair of sneakers, uh, to suspending

1225
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: a guy for taking to having lunch with somebody. Well,

1226
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: that's why they're anine. We need to get some people

1227
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: running these sports who got a little bit more common sense.

1228
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean suspending guys because they get extra sneakers and

1229
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: extra benefits are a couple of extra meals here, they're

1230
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: that's apronine and stupid. Yeah, I just I it's it's

1231
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: fascinating to need though, Like the HBC used there was

1232
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,439
Speaker 1: a movement in the seventies for some of the best

1233
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: high school players to play in the Ivy League, right um,

1234
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: And the Ivy League in the seventies was like James Brown,

1235
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,439
Speaker 1: of course, who's famous broadcaster, Like he was a great

1236
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: player at Harvard, and there was kind of that movement.

1237
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: Then I do wonder why there has not there's never

1238
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: been a movement for some of the best young black players.

1239
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: Like look, if you're only gonna go to school for

1240
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: a year, when I go to an HBC U right, well,

1241
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 1: when I go on, the couple of reasons, Uh, Number one,

1242
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: they don't have any money, they don't have great facilities. Uh,

1243
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: and you're not gonna get the visibility. That's very simple.

1244
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean when I visit the four historically Black cards,

1245
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: I gave it Maion the dollars too. They got awful facilities,

1246
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: awful facilities. But like I say, listen, how much notorize

1247
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 1: he did. Uh excuse yeah, six so six months at Duke,

1248
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought he might be the number

1249
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: one draft pick. But after six months of Duke he

1250
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: probably made an extra two hundred million dollars. Uh. And

1251
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: you got these guys talking about five hundred thousand dollars,

1252
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: which is chump changed after taxis and you start trying

1253
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 1: to live on Zion made, Like I say, the money

1254
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 1: he made at Duke, if that's real money? Uh, going

1255
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 1: to the G League and living in l A on

1256
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars a year, and you got to

1257
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: prink everybody, You're familye with you? That ain't that ain't

1258
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: good to me? That's not a lot of money to me?

1259
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:41,640
Speaker 1: Or you can can Zion become what you were? You know,

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Speaker 1: it's just just first of all, I think he's a

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Speaker 1: lot more explosive. It just depends on the injuries. Hey

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01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: you've heard this a thousand time. The best ability is availability. Yeah,

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01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: I mean he's I mean there's just a lot of

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01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 1: you and and you're you also do a good job

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: of not take You were pretty explosive. I mean maybe

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01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: not as vertical as as he was, but I mean

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01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: six or days you were dunking on guys, especially after

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: you lost weight. Even before you lost weight, you were

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01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: jumping jump into the moon. Um, he does it simply

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: come down to the weight for him in terms of

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01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 1: his ability to be available. You know, Doug is interesting.

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know him. A root for him because he

1273
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: seemed like a great kid. He doesn't look fat to me, No,

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01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: so he might just like I said, I want to know,

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01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,720
Speaker 1: he needs to get with some serious professionals and see

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01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: what the perfect week for him to play yet but

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01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like like But I don't honestly, it's

1278
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: just gonna pen on his health. But he've got a

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01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: unique body and man, he's explosive, so it's gonna be

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01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: fine to watch him in the next few years. All

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01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: last thing I've I've taken up way too much of

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01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: your time. Um. I think what's gonna happen after this

1283
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: documentary is they're still gonna be Team Jordan and Team

1284
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: Lebron guys, right for whatever reason, we can't we just

1285
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: I think political TV has made us to where we

1286
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: have to have one side of a debate, and that's

1287
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: where the sports TV has come into. Um, but you've

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01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 1: covered it you've played it, You've done essentially everything you

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: can do. In terms of the world of basketball, Jordan

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01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: Lebron is is are they? Are? They so different you

1291
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: can't compare? Would you? Would you say Jordan is the

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01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,959
Speaker 1: best basketball player ever? Well, it's for me. Uh. I've

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: always said I thought Kobe Bryant was closer to Michael

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01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 1: than Lebron. I think Mike. Uh, Lebron is closer to

1295
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: Magic Magic. Yeah, are, And And first of all, that's

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01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: clearly not a knocks. If you won't a guy who's

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01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 1: gonna kill you to win, Michael and Kobe are the guys.

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: If you need a guy to make everybody around better, Lebron,

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01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: Bird and Magic they're the guys. They're gonna make everybody

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01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,679
Speaker 1: around them better. So uh, I'm never gonna say anything

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01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: bad about Lebron because I'm one. He's one of the

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01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: greatest man we've ever had in the NBA. But that's

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01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: the way I do it. Michael and Lebron they just

1304
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: Michael and Covid. They're just killers. They're gonna do whatever

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01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: it takes to win. They ain't worried about their teammates. Teammates,

1306
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 1: they ain't worried about their friends. Lebron is gonna be

1307
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: magic and Bird. He's gonna make the proper basketball play.

1308
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: If he has to score a lot, he's gonna do it.

1309
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: He has to rebound, he's gonna do it. Or he

1310
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: gonna make sure Kyle Corver, Booby Gibson, are you gonna

1311
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: make sure they get open for wide open threes? That's

1312
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: the difference in the guys in my opinion. Um, you

1313
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: you told the guys in Chicago that you and Mike

1314
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: still aren't aren't clothing. You're not talking anymore because of

1315
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: what it's it's only because of what you said about

1316
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 1: it about about who he surrounds himself, running the Bobcats

1317
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,679
Speaker 1: now the Hornets, you know. You know, Doug, I really

1318
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: regret that because the clowns on the network are talking

1319
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: about that, and it really pissing me off because number one,

1320
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: we should not be having a conversation with two dudes,

1321
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: not talking with not Prince Harry and William you know.

1322
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: But yes, they answer your question, yes, But I'm really

1323
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: a little disappointed that the guys on the other networks

1324
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: are making this like they're having discussions. Because number one,

1325
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: I want to apologize to Michael for even saying it

1326
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: because you don't have time for this crap. He's a

1327
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: new dad and he's running the box where he's not

1328
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: doing anything right now. But I hate that that's trying

1329
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: to make it. It's just two dudes who have a disagreement. Uh,

1330
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: we can debate who's right or wrong, but I'm disappointed

1331
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: that they're trying to make it a big story. Well,

1332
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you're two of the greatest

1333
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: basketl players in the history of the sport. You're incredible friends.

1334
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,879
Speaker 1: You know, you shared this bond of not only being teammates,

1335
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: but how many times you played golf together, you know,

1336
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: And I do think it's and you know as as

1337
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: much as is you know. I it's not like you

1338
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: said anything and you divulge any personal information, right Like

1339
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: it's one thing if you said something personal or you

1340
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: took a shot at him, but it's not necessarily a

1341
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 1: shot when you're doing your job. That's the part that

1342
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 1: it's like that doesn't make any sense to me, especially

1343
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: and you've been in the business a long time now.

1344
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: There's some guys who you like if you probably say

1345
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: some things about who got back to you, and that's

1346
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: just the way this business works. Brother, No, no question,

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: no question, no question about it. But no one that

1348
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: I would say I have a that longest stand. It's

1349
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: it's made some relationship. And I'm you know, like, I'm

1350
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: far less famous and successful than you are. And yet

1351
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: I've I've said plenty of ship that people don't't like.

1352
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I know, you know, coaches that will

1353
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: not will not come on shows me, will avoid me

1354
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: in person. I think it's different when you have to

1355
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: share what you know, you share that type of a

1356
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,519
Speaker 1: bonding and friendship. All right, last thing I promised to

1357
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: swear to God's last thing. The golf swing. Was it

1358
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,320
Speaker 1: at anytime smooth? And then they became this mental mental

1359
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: block like what where is that always? Has it always

1360
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: been there since you started playing golf? No, I used

1361
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: to be a great player. I used to be a

1362
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: single digit handicap. I used to bring eight all the time,

1363
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: and then I got traded to Phoenix, and I'm really like, hey,

1364
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: being an eight nine handicaps not gonna work out here

1365
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: because Dan Marlon need you guys. So I screwed up

1366
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 1: my swing. Taking a lesson from every time Dick and

1367
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: Harry in the world and uh, I just I don't

1368
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: know what's going on now. But I used to be

1369
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: a really good player, but I started taking two minute

1370
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 1: lessons and messed up my swing. It's crazy. The mind

1371
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,640
Speaker 1: is so powerful, you know, mind yourself? You know it

1372
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: does it happened to better players than meet. I mean,

1373
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: you look at no disrespect these guys in baking fits

1374
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 1: had to quit because he got the driver Yips David.

1375
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: The ball was number one in the world and he

1376
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: lost it. Like, I'm just glad it's not I'm just

1377
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: glad that I can still playing half fun and I

1378
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: mean it drives me crazy sometimes, but hey, man, mentally

1379
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: remember Chuck na Block couldn't throw the ball from second base.

1380
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes you get get something mentally and it's

1381
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: just over. Have you tried to hit hypnosister, Yeah, yeah,

1382
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: that doesn't work. I just got a good, nice leap.

1383
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: I just got a good little power napping. That sucked.

1384
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: I went to l A and got hypnotized and all

1385
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: I did was get a good nap. It sucked. Wait

1386
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 1: till the hour of my day. I mean, is there anything?

1387
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: Is there anything left to try to fix it? Like

1388
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: you you're just giving up. You just like this is

1389
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: gonna play in half, smoke a couple of cigars, have

1390
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: a few drinks and relax. Who introduced you guys to cigars?

1391
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: Who got because you guys? Michael? Michael Michael is the

1392
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: first guy to start smoking cigars. We played golf back

1393
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: in the eighties. And then who introduced him? I guess

1394
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: probably his dad? Right? I think his dad was a smoker.

1395
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: It might have been a Marashot. I'm not sure. For

1396
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: those two guys played golf with all the time. Who

1397
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 1: smokes cigars? Charles, You're the best man. Listen. I'm so glad.

1398
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: Hey man, you take care of yourself and be safe.

1399
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: All right, but thanks so much. Be sure to catch

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: the live edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at

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01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: three p m. Easter noon Pacific. All right, I want

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01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: you to digest that. Feel free to tweet me out

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01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: of question or a comment at Gottlieb Show. Hope you

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. You always enjoyed. Child. I'll say this about

1405
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Um, he is a genuinely good person. He

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01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: engages with you. He has that unique genness, a quad

1407
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: that allows him to lock in and remember little things

1408
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 1: about every person in the room. It's like senatorial and yeah,

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01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: do do we at some point, at two different points

1410
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: in our life? Can we contradict ourselves? Of course, but

1411
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: you grow and your mature and you learn different things

1412
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: and sometimes your opinion changes. I think that would be

1413
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: my defensive Chuck if you think he's ever been hypocritical.

1414
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: He's not perfect, but who actually is. He's self deprecating

1415
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: almost to a fault, and I every time I'm around him,

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: he makes he the thing he talked about with bird

1417
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: Magic and Lebron making people better. That's what Charles Barkley

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Speaker 1: does in broadcasting. So my thanks to Charles for for

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Speaker 1: joining me. I'm Doug Gottlieb. Remember you can listen to

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