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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lally here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: As you can tell, Brian Le Mochita Martina on the

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Speaker 1: on the music there. Uh did get a comment from

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Speaker 1: somebody on Twitter yesterday they really liked the music with

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Speaker 1: the music now, like we've talked about this before, Matt,

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Speaker 1: we had the same bumper music for like, what is

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Speaker 1: it like? This is like yeah, like year four of

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Speaker 1: us together here, it's been the same bumper music the

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Speaker 1: entire time. There has been a lot of the same.

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Speaker 1: But there are we gotta get rid of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Dave Matthews, gotta go that pops up your marvel. It's

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Speaker 1: not never a good segment. Awful, awful, awful. What was

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Speaker 1: also awful yesterday was Steelers practice. Yeah, Mike Tom, I'm

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Speaker 1: not real happy. It was kind of a sloppy practice, chippy.

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Speaker 1: It was hot. Uh, several they were a couple of

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Speaker 1: little pushing and shoving more more so than you, like

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Speaker 1: four or five of them yesterday. I feel like they

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Speaker 1: one really wanted to be there and just days. At

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Speaker 1: one point, like Deante Johnson walked over to Uh, we

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Speaker 1: have a photographer I practice for d K Pittsburgh sports

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Speaker 1: and the photographers are lining the Yeah, they all kind

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Speaker 1: of they're right up against the they're in the stands,

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Speaker 1: but they're up against the railings. And Deonte Johnson walks

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Speaker 1: over to my photographer and ask him, hey, look look

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Speaker 1: at your phone and tell me how hot it is

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Speaker 1: out here? Stood out as a hot day it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a particularly hot and sticky day. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: makes for uh, well it's good for you know, coaches

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Speaker 1: love that stuff. I'm sure Tom I loved that stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know. It makes for tough times, you know, when

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Speaker 1: you don't want to do it, of course, But I

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Speaker 1: guess it's getting to the point where getting kind of

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Speaker 1: tired of hitting each other. And you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: day camp, another one coming up soon, and let's take

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Speaker 1: it out on the opponent as opposed out here. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's about that time, and some of these

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Speaker 1: guys still haven't played a lot, you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: you're talking the frontline guys still haven't played much, if

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Speaker 1: at all. And you know, wolves coming into sitting your

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Speaker 1: seat here afterwards, I mean he'd be rolling his eyes like, oh,

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Speaker 1: camp's hard, you know, I mean, like it's nothing like

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Speaker 1: it used to be. By any stretchy when it's a

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Speaker 1: padded practice, and I mean no disrespect to Wolf and

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Speaker 1: the guys who came before him, No, it needed to change.

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Speaker 1: They also work year round, now exactly. That's a good point.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point the camp to get. There's no

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Speaker 1: time off, right. I mean, they may go on a

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Speaker 1: vacation here there over fifty two weeks, but they come

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Speaker 1: into camp in great shape. It's not like they better

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Speaker 1: the right right right now. That's a percent true. And

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Speaker 1: we know more now than we knew then. You know,

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Speaker 1: beating up people's bodies twice a day and the heat

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Speaker 1: probably isn't the best thing for long term success, especially

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Speaker 1: how you're playing seventeen games instead of fourteen or sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Uh but yeah, so Mike Tomlin's you know, talked about

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Speaker 1: it after practices. They said, you know, kind of these

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Speaker 1: these kind of days where you see some guys kind

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Speaker 1: rise to the occasion. Um, and they've got some guys

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Speaker 1: nicked up. Yeah, so we've we've seen him start to

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Speaker 1: make you know, some roster moves here and there, you know,

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Speaker 1: which is typical when in a training camp. I mean

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Speaker 1: any of them were are you you know? I mean

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Speaker 1: I think guys most of the guy like Calen Ballage

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Speaker 1: yesterday was kind of walking around. I think he'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think Benny Snell was running on the sideline

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Speaker 1: a little bit and he's a guy that needs to

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Speaker 1: get out there. I don't know that he's I don't

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Speaker 1: if it comes down to it and you're keeping Benny

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Speaker 1: Snell or Jalen Samuel's, yeah, I think keeping Benny Snell. Agree,

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Speaker 1: M My worry if I was Benny is somebody cut

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Speaker 1: to veteran and all of a sudden, you know, I

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Speaker 1: didn't put do any I didn't put much tape out

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Speaker 1: that could happen. The problem is that does the veteran

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Speaker 1: play special teams? That's huge, I mean, because that's that's

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Speaker 1: I don't think Belige does a lot of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So what the difference. Maybe he can go out there

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Speaker 1: and play special teams. I don't know. It was funny.

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Speaker 1: There are two twenty nines out there. Yeah, the old trick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta kind of pay attention. You know, I would

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Speaker 1: not want to be Billy Hillgrove doing some of these

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Speaker 1: preseason games with double knocks. You mentioned Wolf that's his

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Speaker 1: of a challenge. Yeah, that's the oldest trick in the book.

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Speaker 1: You know, the rosters are too big. They're not going

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Speaker 1: to give away to sevens. It's not like the college

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Speaker 1: you guys change numbers like every week. Every you know,

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Speaker 1: the NFL does have rules about that, but you do

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Speaker 1: see some double number ni on that this time of year.

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Speaker 1: If you're sitting there with your with your roster and

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Speaker 1: see twenty nine out there. Make sure it's not Shakure

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Speaker 1: Brown as opposed to the BENNI ra to Calin Blage,

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Speaker 1: although I don't think Blage you're gonna play in this

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Speaker 1: next game, so that make a little bit easier. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think play special teams like you said that

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Speaker 1: a spot on this roster, that's where you got the

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Speaker 1: history of it. These next couple of games. If you like,

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Speaker 1: if you didn't see a guy on special teams, but

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Speaker 1: now you do, yes, they're taking a look at him.

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Speaker 1: That is a great indicator that, well, we think this

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Speaker 1: guy is gonna make the team. What else can he?

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Speaker 1: What else do? Right? What can Brown do for you? There?

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Speaker 1: You go? Right? And what I always mentioned is punt team.

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Speaker 1: Punt team is the most you know, like you, We've

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Speaker 1: gotta be able to trust you. There's a personal protector.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a protection scheme. Maybe there's more to

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Speaker 1: fry more trick plays than other phases. So when you're punting,

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Speaker 1: a lot of those guys. Those guys are probably gonna

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Speaker 1: make the team. Yeah, yeah, you could. It's one of

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Speaker 1: those things. But it might not be a bad idea

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Speaker 1: assume he's done it at least a little bit. It's

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Speaker 1: fast and he's big and fast. Yeah, so that's one

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Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. Although again I don't think

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Speaker 1: he'll play today. We'll hear from Mike Tomlin at twelve

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Speaker 1: thirty today. He'll give us a rundown of of who's

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Speaker 1: Are you expecting any noticeable changes for Thursday? I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think the one oh line goes out there

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Speaker 1: a little bit? Well, the last couple of days here,

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Speaker 1: we've seen Choos a core for tackle. We've seen Zack

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Speaker 1: Banner back at the right tackle position. Ums. Some controversy

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Speaker 1: at left guard. Yeah, I don't know if it's necessarily controversy.

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Speaker 1: It's taking a telling a rookie or a second year player.

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Speaker 1: You should say you missed a lot of time. This

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Speaker 1: guy has been out there practicing. This guy's a veteran,

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Speaker 1: he's got fifteen career starts under his belt. You don't

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Speaker 1: and don't just assume that you're the starter. De Yeah,

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Speaker 1: or right, what kind of line do you think we see.

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Speaker 1: I think you see a core four. I think you

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Speaker 1: I think he's the starter. They have an announced it,

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Speaker 1: But Kendrick Green's the starter, sure. I mean the way

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Speaker 1: the regular season. Right, they're treating him like the starter,

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Speaker 1: right tackle. Um, they're still they're still managing him a

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Speaker 1: little bit. But you know, I think it's it's time

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Speaker 1: the Steelers will have played their second preseason game on

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Speaker 1: It sounds like starting Thursday the league. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: these guys are professionals. They played, they've all played these spots.

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Speaker 1: Like I know, people are saying, well, Chukes a core

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Speaker 1: force moving to to left tackle, Chukes, a core for

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Speaker 1: left tackle. He was left tackle. Last year. He's finally home.

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Speaker 1: Last year was the year where they moved. They moved

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Speaker 1: seasons he practiced at left tackle. I'm sure he's much

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Speaker 1: see both of those guys. Frere move had a couple

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Speaker 1: my thinking on this, although you know, hey, we could

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Speaker 1: Aally here with Matt Williams and Matt um. As we mentioned,

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Speaker 1: You know, but I kept saying, it looks like he

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Speaker 1: doesn't belong. He's he's the varsity player in JV game.

424
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Speaker 1: You better just be blowing guys up if you want

425
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Speaker 1: to get like I fully expect him to be the

426
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Speaker 1: starter in Buffalo. Yes, I think this is a little

427
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: bit of a kick in the pants, right right, right.

428
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: I mean it's a somewhat of a transparent one, to

429
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 1: be honest, doubt. But if you're a second year player,

430
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Speaker 1: who's what twenty four years old, I thought you were

431
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Speaker 1: the starter, and on a game where much of the

432
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: nation is going to be watching, you're not the starter.

433
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 1: It's a little embarrassing and it should lay to fire

434
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 1: under you. You know, it better lay to fire under you.

435
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,560
Speaker 1: If it doesn't, then you get bigger issues. I think

436
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: that's what they're really finding finding out. But this guy's

437
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: has adversity. Yeah, he's kind of had it easy in

438
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: his career. You know, injury opens up, he starts, he succeeds.

439
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: Let's see him overcome some hardships and you know we're

440
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 1: counting on this guy for the next ten years. Yeah. Um,

441
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: I mentioned Shaquier Brown. Yeah, I want to see how

442
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: he's used because he was very active on special teams,

443
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: a great way to kind of springboard into could be enough. Yeah,

444
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: I mean that could get your hat on game day

445
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: and a roster spot. If he keeps up, that could

446
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: he be All right, let's go down that shakier Brown hole.

447
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: A little bit because they gave him a lot of

448
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,680
Speaker 1: free agent money. They gave him the most. Speaking I looked,

449
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: I looked back over it. They gave him the most

450
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Speaker 1: free agent money they've ever given somebody. That makes sense

451
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: because you always I mean, I mean, the last guy

452
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Speaker 1: they gave as much money as him were something close

453
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: to him was Alda. Denny back in like two thousand,

454
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Speaker 1: whatever year, fifteen or whatever. It means. You really want him, yeah,

455
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think I've told the story

456
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: eight million times. But ownership gave us X amount of

457
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to spend, and you allocated however you want.

458
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Speaker 1: If you give it, put it all in one basket.

459
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: You couldn't allocate it to yourself the best and uh,

460
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: you know, so they put a lot of it in

461
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 1: that basket. I think they've really, especially at that stage,

462
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: realized we gotta throw a lot of corners at the

463
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Speaker 1: fan and see what sticks. Probably didn't realize. Maybe maybe

464
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Speaker 1: they did. I mean, I'm selling him short. Obviously he

465
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Speaker 1: would have you know, is he gonna be a great

466
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Speaker 1: special team or is something I don't think they knew yet.

467
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they had a draftable grade on him. Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely.

468
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Speaker 1: Here's my question, though, does it shock you or you're

469
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: seeing him more in the slot. I always thought of

470
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Speaker 1: him as a slot on defense. He's not super fast.

471
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Speaker 1: I mean they've been working uh, Brooks and Millette so much.

472
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. You don't think Brooks has been sitting

473
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Speaker 1: out the last few practices since the game. I don't

474
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Speaker 1: think he plays this week, So maybe Brown. So maybe

475
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Speaker 1: Brown bumps up to be that that second slot after

476
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Speaker 1: milette place. So I think that's his best role on

477
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Speaker 1: the defense, and maybe if he has a recognition skill,

478
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Speaker 1: we could even be a safety. I actually, yesterday I

479
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: had the first one on one interview that I have

480
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: done in two years, sat down with Joe Hayden. That

481
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: should have been the headline today, if I guess I

482
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: kind of buried the lead a little bit. Um. I

483
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: did want to talk about that a little bit later

484
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Speaker 1: in the show. But the fact that you could do

485
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Speaker 1: it is that that's awesome. When when we were talking

486
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Speaker 1: about the secondary, he mentioned, uh, the Brooks has looked

487
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Speaker 1: really good in the slot, and he said we got

488
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Speaker 1: some other guys there as well. That absolutely seems like

489
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Speaker 1: successful mission so far. Brooks everything that I'm here, He's

490
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Speaker 1: going to be the starting slot. It almost feels like

491
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Speaker 1: Green is the center. He's the slot. We'll respect him

492
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Speaker 1: a lat or whatever, but they're treating him like the

493
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Speaker 1: top slot. He's got size, he's got size, he's got

494
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Speaker 1: blitzing ability, he's got you know, things that they want

495
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Speaker 1: out of that position. Um so I think he's gonna

496
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Speaker 1: be the slot. So now you're looking. Okay, Now it

497
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Speaker 1: comes down to maybe milette versus like Brown, depending on

498
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Speaker 1: how many the special teams. Now, I know Millette has

499
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Speaker 1: played a lot of special teams, played five years in

500
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Speaker 1: the league. He has to have a special team's background.

501
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: He's got a very big special team's backgrounds. Not a

502
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Speaker 1: first round pick, right, Um So it comes down to, Okay,

503
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Speaker 1: you know, sh your cure. Brown, Are you a better

504
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: slot than Millette? Were you a better combination special team?

505
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Speaker 1: And on game day if it's Week four, the special

506
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Speaker 1: team or party is probably more important without a doubt.

507
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Speaker 1: I mean because not to mention, I mean when they

508
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Speaker 1: go four corners, I fully expect Sutton to move the

509
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Speaker 1: slot in that situation. Yeah, when they've gone dime thus

510
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Speaker 1: far in training camp, Sutton is kicked inside and Pierre

511
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Speaker 1: has played on the outside or even lane if I mean,

512
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Speaker 1: if Pierre wasn't available, Pierre's ahead of lane. Yeah, so

513
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,719
Speaker 1: that's their best four corners to me. So really Brown's

514
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: best approach is special teams. But because you're back to

515
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Speaker 1: your point before, if you're so good on special teams,

516
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: well let's see what you can do on defense now,

517
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, And it's a perfect game for that. That's

518
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: a great one to bring up. Yeah, I think that

519
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Um, I want to see the backup inside

520
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: linebackers again. Yesterday they had the second unit yesterday and

521
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: in the nickel that they were running was Marcus Allen

522
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: and Buddy Johnson. Okay, so not Gilbert, not Gilbert. So

523
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Speaker 1: I want to see if that's you know, Ken Gilbert

524
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Speaker 1: close that gap again, because I I mean, I think

525
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Speaker 1: we all kind of assumed, well, Alan is not going

526
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Speaker 1: to make this foster. Well, I thought he played. He

527
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: made a couple of plays in the game the other day.

528
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Speaker 1: He's stuck around for a couple of years now. He's

529
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Speaker 1: obviously better in I mean, he's a safety, he should

530
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Speaker 1: be better in coverage in those guys he should be Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: I'm not impressed with them. But there's a reason he's

532
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: been an NFL player for a couple of years now.

533
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's done something right behind the scenes. Or

534
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Speaker 1: maybe he's better on special teams than I realized too,

535
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: or you know, assignment sound I kind of look to

536
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: kill a Brew is an upgrade over him. He's another

537
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: guy I want to see more. Like. I'm impressed with him. Yeah,

538
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: I think we talked about him yesterday, but I think

539
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: he'll play snaps every week on defense. I think maybe

540
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: maybe he forces that a little bit that that. I mean,

541
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind seeing him a dime linebacker or or

542
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: out there in the nickel physicality and you know, experience

543
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: and understands rail concepts and those type of things too.

544
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: To me, he's a better version of Marcus Allen. Yeah,

545
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: I think so as well. Yeah, um, so I'd like

546
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: to see more of him. Um, I think we might

547
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: see Terrell edmonds um out there. There's time, you know,

548
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: I know they've been holding him out of some contact stuff.

549
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: He had an offseason surgery on his shoulder. I'm assuming

550
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: that was, you know, potentially a they haven't said, but

551
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was a torn labor or something of

552
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: that nature in his shoulder that he played through last

553
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: year the year. And I was gonna kick out of

554
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 1: that because I learned a lot sitting in those meetings

555
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: when the Dnicle staff every day would report on every

556
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: player and the no offense to your profession, but the

557
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: press thought they had a clue of injuries and things

558
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: and would report him. But it's like this guy's really

559
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: gotten it out through a torn labor them and you know,

560
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: we're just gonna put shoulder questionable, but you don't realize

561
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: how bad it is or you know what it takes

562
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: to get him the game day. And I mean, obviously

563
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: you understand that. I mean you see these guys every day,

564
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: but just if you read the uh the injury report

565
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: like he's probable, he's questionable, he'll be fine. You know,

566
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: he's a horn labor though, Yeah, why is he picking

567
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: that ball off? He's a he's a bust in the

568
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: first round. You know, he's better ball skills. He was

569
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: one that can't pick his arm up. He was one

570
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: that Hayden mentioned to me that that, uh, he really

571
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Speaker 1: thinks that Edmonds is going to have a really good

572
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: year this year, said he's got to see that he's

573
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: gotten better each one of his years, which he has. Again,

574
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: this goes back to people can't admit it might have

575
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: been wrong about somebody, may shouldn't have picked him in

576
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Speaker 1: the first round. Three years later, you can't be like

577
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: I kind of like him. It's a bud like four

578
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: or five years to be, you know, not a bust anymore.

579
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Um Wolf wrought something up about Edmonds I thought was

580
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: intriguing and I've been kicking around in my noodle since yesterday.

581
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: He suggested Edmonds, should you know they should look at

582
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: him more as a blitzer. I think he'd be good

583
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: in that regard. I mean, he's usually if you remember

584
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: last year he ended the Denver game on a blitz

585
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: where he got the sack uh to finish the game

586
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: off on fourth down. So I could see that happening.

587
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: That's more opportunities as a blitzer possibly this year, because

588
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that no matter who you put in

589
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: the slot, I don't know that you're going to replicate.

590
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Right was who's another guy to pick up that slack?

591
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: Especially if you're really athletic on the second level and

592
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Brooks is a bigger slot. You could play a cover

593
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: three show or man coverage, and those linebackers could handle safety.

594
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: You're just gonna have the safety or the or you know,

595
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: Brooks could hand. It actually makes you the little more

596
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: less predictable, less predictable. Yeah, I mean Hilton. You know

597
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: Hilton's blitz. Everybody knew. I mean, I gave you the

598
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: numbers last week. I think it was that. You know,

599
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: he blitz seventy times in thirteen games. I mean do

600
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: the math. That's that's six or seven times a game.

601
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: Everybody knew that was coming. Yeah, you know, anytime he

602
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: was at the line of scrimmage, the offensive line is

603
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: like okay, yeah right, or you switched the back to

604
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: his side or whatever. I mean, it's a silly little thing,

605
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: but you could even play man coverage. Brooks has lined

606
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: up in the slot. Edmonds is basically in that other slot.

607
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: Tight end goes in motion, Brooks doesn't go with him,

608
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: or vice versa. Yeah, it looks like Edmonds is gonna

609
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: play man on him, but he doesn't follow him. Brooks

610
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: picks him up on the other side line and Edmonds

611
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: is a blitzer, you know, just a little less predictable

612
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: because I think he would be good in that regard.

613
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: He's a downhill player and he closes her sizing is fast. Yeah,

614
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: he's been around the legal a little bit down too,

615
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so I think that he's intriguing that

616
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: that's something to keep an eye on here. Everyone talking

617
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: about Bushes the breakout defensive player. It could be Edmonds too,

618
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 1: It could be very well could. But if he has

619
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: three picks and all of a sudden, people are like,

620
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: maybe he's a pro Bowl aldernat you know, hundred tackles, yeah,

621
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: like and and it throws a couple of sacks, and

622
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: it's the it's the splash plays that gets you that

623
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: kind of recognition. That's hurt his perception. That's what he's

624
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: been lacking in. That's what the coaches look at like.

625
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't make any mistakes. He's out, He's out there

626
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: all the time. Crust him since the second he walked

627
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: on campus. Yeah, Trede Norwood's another one. Yeah, I mean

628
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: I I you know, he had a couple of past breakups.

629
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: Um he moves, yeah, blocked a kick. Um, there's some

630
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: there's something there. I mean, we were talking. No, that

631
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: dead period before camp starts, what's the backup free safety

632
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: look like? You know, and deep down they probably had

633
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: some clues. You know, that's why Norwoods here, I mean,

634
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: that's why they didn't go pick a one up um.

635
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: But I think he is checking all the boxes so far,

636
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: you know, for a seventh round skills. Yeah, yeah, I

637
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: mean that's an intriguing situation. He can also play down

638
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: in the slot, So I mean, I think they've got

639
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: they've got some options there. Maybe not the you know,

640
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 1: people look at and say, again, as as Kevin Colford

641
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago, we've got depth. It's

642
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: just not proven depth. And most of us and almost

643
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: all of our listeners are probably like, I gotta see it,

644
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: I and how would you but think about it, like Norwood,

645
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: his rookie year will probably be special teams and hopefully

646
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: he's not playing any free safety, you know, I mean

647
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: something bad happened, something bad probably happened, or he's so good,

648
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: do you play some split safety with the true But

649
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: that means you're taking somebody else off the field. But

650
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking like a year, two years from now, he's

651
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: been around, he's already a core special team or maybe

652
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: he does play some slot, you know, just he starts

653
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: to start giving him more, giving him more, and you know,

654
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 1: passing all the tests. I mean, these guys a rookie year,

655
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: they're swimming and he's already doing fine. You know, he's

656
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: not the best player in the field, but he's doing fine.

657
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: So imagine when he is in a year or two

658
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: from now. Another guy that really caught my eye in

659
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: the first game, and he should was Isaiah louder Milk.

660
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention just the young d lineman. Yeah,

661
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: that I want to see that rotation again. That's a

662
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, that might be the most hotly contested spot.

663
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: I might not play on the team cam or two

664
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: it happen, Yeah, no matter. I mean he's old enough

665
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: down too. I mean, yeah, there's competition there, there's depth there.

666
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: The Bugs Davis louder Milk triangle I think is really interesting.

667
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: You mentioned in your you know, in your first roster

668
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: that Warmly might not be as safe as we think,

669
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: and that's an interesting than they seem to really like

670
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: And man, Donda makes the team mon do play special teams.

671
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know, we talked about special teams.

672
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: That guy is playing. He's like on the punt coverage units,

673
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: kick kickoffs, just think things like he's a three d

674
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: pound guy. The special team's staff likes him, yeah, and

675
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: doesn't want him gone. Yeah. I hadn't thought of him

676
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: as a lock. Might be a strong word, but I

677
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: didn't thought of him as a lock to make the team.

678
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: He might be a lot to make a team. He

679
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: might be, you know, because he's not He's not bad

680
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: when they put him out there on defense either. No,

681
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: he's obviously an athlete and he runs around well. And yeah,

682
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's not a heavy footed nose tackle that

683
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: can't move. Yeah. So I I mean, you know, I

684
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: wonder if you get a draft pick for warmly if

685
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: these guys keep playing well. Yeah, I mean maybe you

686
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: know there's there's some guys Um Steers gave one up

687
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: for him a year ago. Um, you know, we'll see

688
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the offensive lineman I think are still

689
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: very interesting. But I feel like after the the group

690
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: that started, I have a pretty good feel for the

691
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: old line depth in general. You know. I mean, I

692
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: would think Dan Moore will play a lot in the preseason,

693
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: which is good, is what he needs, But I don't

694
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: think they're counting on him. Um that group of quote

695
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,479
Speaker 1: no name receivers is certainly interesting to me too, Yeah,

696
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: some somebody makes him plays on special again. I don't

697
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: think Ray Ray McLeod is is guaranteed about to say

698
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm not enamored at all and seen sex and if Sexton,

699
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: if Sexton breaks off another punt return like like he

700
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't like okay, I mean those type of guys might

701
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: play the whole second half. Yeah, I mean, and if

702
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: Ray Ray doesn't play this game, I'm gonna believe they're

703
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: gonna give Sexton. He's gonna he's gonna have all the

704
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: punt returns in this game. Is a little back and

705
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: plus you know who he is. Yeah, I would give

706
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: Sexton all the Kay, kid, you get a thirty six

707
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: year and the last game to do it again and

708
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: play ten more snaps on offense and we planned whatever

709
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: he signed you because you're a bigger, faster version of him,

710
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: at least as fast. Yeah. I mean it might not

711
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: be as shifty as nifty you know, um, but he's

712
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: not slow. That's good. I think that's that's definitely one

713
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on, as well or as any

714
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: of those guys excelling as a gunner or making the

715
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: tackles on kickoff coverage. Those type of things are interesting. Yeah,

716
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: that's certainly something. And then the outside linebackers, there's a

717
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: lot of them all of a sudden, Yeah, that was

718
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: a position we looked at. Boy, they're they're kind of

719
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have a lot of depth there.

720
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: And then you know, you see a guy like Jamir

721
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: Jones who like three quarterback hits in that game. I

722
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: don't want to get rid of him, no, you know,

723
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: with all respect, And I know Roche and the other

724
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: guys are are are you know, they all had sacks

725
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I like that guy. I like that

726
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: guy too. You know, they've had Ola and Chick and

727
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, low pedigree number three's and mostly four outside linebackers.

728
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: I'll put Jones against any of those guys. Yeah, he's

729
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: big and strong. He's big and strong, he's thick, and

730
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: he's he's starting at the line of scrimmage too, and

731
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: plays with a good bag. He could tell he I

732
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: mean he was he was a defensive end of Notre Dame. Yeah,

733
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: and it's a little different to being a defensive ended.

734
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Akron absolutely like he was seeing some quality offensive tackles.

735
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: He goes against Glinchy every day in practice, and you

736
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: know Nelson and those guys too, and they pump out,

737
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean you better be. And they have

738
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: a big time way program. And he looks you know,

739
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: he looks apart. Yeah, when he got there as an

740
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: eighteen year old, they probably put thirty pounds of muscle

741
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: on him over five years. You know. But the other guys,

742
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: I mean, Roche makes plays. I mean, everybody they had

743
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: in there at outside linebacker essentially made plays the other day.

744
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: Do you think Ingram dresses that's a good question. I

745
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: don't know that I would. Yeah, I mean you mentioned

746
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: Trey Turner. Probably will. I kind of always lumped them

747
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: together because they're veterans that got here late from the Chargers.

748
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: But I mean that's probably unfair. I don't know that

749
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: I need to see because I want to see those

750
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: other three guys anyways, right, I mean, if I play him,

751
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: would be just the first series or something, and then

752
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: people say, oh, he's ahead of Highsmith, and I don't

753
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: even know that I need to see a lot of Highsmith.

754
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: He certainly, I mean, you'll probably play a lot because

755
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: again he's a young guy. He's kind of like dots

756
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, young guy. But except he's been out there

757
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: the entire training camp, I assume he plays a fair amount.

758
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think I dressed enorm Yeah, I guess you

759
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: could play t J spot for the opening series or something.

760
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I guess. But the interesting thing is they've been flipped

761
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: upping those Like sometimes a lot of times we'll have

762
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: Ingram coming off the right side, and when Highsmith's like

763
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: high Smith off the left or the right, t J siden,

764
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: you know however you want to. I just get that, like,

765
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: often are you going by what the offenses or what

766
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: the defense is right as the quarterbacks right? Or is

767
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: it the defenses? Because t J says he plays right

768
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: outside linebacker, but he's actually on the left on the defense.

769
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: I think he's I don't know. I've always looked at

770
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: the defensive depth chart through defensive eyes. If I'm Minka

771
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: looking at the defense, what are you on my left

772
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: or right? Yeah? I don't I don't think lots of

773
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: right eye linebacker. Yeah, anyways, let's take a break. He

774
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I'm Dale Lally. You're listening to the

775
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll talk about my

776
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: Joe Hayden interview that I did yesterday. Adam Schefter finally

777
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: catching up on this today, so we'll do that right

778
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: after this. He is Matt Williamson. I'm dale Aally. You're

779
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio from

780
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: Bradshaw and the steel Curtain to Rothlisberger and Blitzburg. We

781
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: are always talking black end Old on s n R. Matt,

782
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: as I mentioned in the previous segment, I had my

783
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: first one on one interview in two years. Yeah, I

784
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: have some questions about that. Actually, with Joe Hayden yesterday

785
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: he mentioned to me that he's approached the Steelers about

786
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: a contract extension. UM and his agents, Drew Rosenhouse. I

787
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: texted Rosenhouse yesterday. He had no comment on it. This morning, however,

788
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: he did contact uh Adam Schefter and say, yes, we've

789
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: approached the Steelers about it. You've got big times a

790
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: little bit. Well, I had it first. I know, I

791
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: don't catch it up to you. I like it. UM.

792
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: Just a couple of questions, procedural questions for you, you know,

793
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: for your profession. I bet you phrase questions a lot

794
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: differently when it's you and ten other reporters sitting around

795
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: a guy or a zoom called without you know you

796
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: and Joe on the side chatting it up, you know

797
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: what I mean? Is there a lot of Hey, I'm

798
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: not gonna if this isn't on the record, what do

799
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: you think of this type of thing? Or is there

800
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: some of that? Having one like it's it's like it's

801
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: our conversation now, except we don't have, you know, the

802
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: twenty listeners out there. I don't know however many we

803
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: have hopefully hopefully more than that. But yeah, I mean,

804
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, you're, you're. It's much more laid back and

805
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: people get these guys with human beings and they chat

806
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you know, and a lot

807
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: of times you get different kinds of answers based on

808
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: who is there with you. If it's three or four

809
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: writers that they're comfortable with, it's much different than if

810
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: the TV cameras are in their face or the zoom

811
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: you know is being recorded. Those kind of things, like

812
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: the zoom calls are just I bet they're rigid, yes,

813
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: because not to mention they're kind of clunky. Some of

814
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: the guys have relaxed a little bit on those, and

815
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: we haven't done a lot of them since camp opened. Um,

816
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean one on one you're so much

817
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: more relaxed, and it's you're having a conversation. Yeah, you're

818
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: just sitting there talking to someone with Yeah. Yeah, that

819
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: makes sense. So I figured, yeah, uh, you know he

820
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: as I said, he mentioned that that he would like

821
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: he wants to play two or three more years. Mhm,

822
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: and he'd like to he likes it here. Yeah makes sense,

823
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, he says, like him. You know, the the

824
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: quote was, um, this is great. This he told me.

825
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: I'll We talked about his release from Cleveland. Such an

826
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: odd move though, and here's what he told me. He said,

827
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: he got called into Saucy Brown's office. Yes, there, he said,

828
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: I sit down with him. He said, I thought I

829
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: did all all the things right. That's when I realized

830
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: the business part of things. I met with her general manager,

831
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: Saucy Brown. He called me into his office and he

832
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: was like, hey, Joe, we love you. We love everything

833
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: you do on and off the field in the city.

834
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: It's been amazing. But you don't need to be paid

835
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: like a top five corner anymore. You're making eleven million.

836
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: We want to cut it to seven million. He's like,

837
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: sort of understand that angle. He says. They had just

838
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: signed Brock Osweilder for sixteen million dollars a year and

839
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: he didn't even play. That's a bad example. Yeah, He's like,

840
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: He's like, bro, there's no freaking way that he was

841
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna do that because I was hurt last year. But no,

842
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: we have cap space. Who are you making space for?

843
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: You're not even gonna sign anybody. And he was right,

844
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: that part is wonderful. The Ostwiler is a terrible example

845
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: because people might not remember this. They took Osweiler off

846
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: Houston's hands, and Houston gave them a second round pick

847
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: to do it. So they traded sixteen million cap space

848
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: for a second round pick. But Joe's right, with everything else,

849
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: what are you going to use the money for? You know,

850
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: they're just getting rid of me because I'm old and

851
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 1: you're trying to lose games. I might help you win. Yeah,

852
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: and he went on, he said, I said a couple

853
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: of years before that, if they gave me a reason

854
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: to get out of there, I want to go somewhere

855
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: where I could be happy. The Browns had gone one

856
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: in fifteen and sixteen, would go oh in sixteen and

857
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen when they cut him before the season. Yeah,

858
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 1: we kept turning it around and getting smacked. We're not

859
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: turning it around and winning some games. We're not turning

860
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: it around the winning some games. Once I figured out

861
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: they were releasing me, the first team I wanted to

862
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: come to was here. I met coach Tomlin during the

863
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: draft process and he was like, Joe, I know we

864
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: can't get you, We're not picking high enough, but we

865
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you. My phone just got a blurb

866
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: across the top Hayden seeking contract at CENCH. There you go,

867
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: there you go, um, he says. Ever since then, I

868
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: was like, I like this. I love this dude. Marquise

869
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 1: Pouncey was here, we went to school together. They were

870
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: always having a great time. Well, they were always something

871
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: a great time. When he saw them by a whole lot, yeah,

872
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: let's go there, he went on. He was like, look

873
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: at that time, you know, they had Levy on Bell,

874
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: they had Antonio Brown. I covered Antonio, you know, twice

875
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: a year for seven years. He said, I didn't wanna

876
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: have to cover that dude anymore. Right right, Oh, the

877
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: grass had to look a lot greener. I mean, it's

878
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: complete apples oranges. But trust me, when this rounds played

879
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: the Steelers those two times when I was in he

880
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: followed Antonio Brown. No, I'm talking about in Orange. I

881
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the other sidelines. Yeah. One and

882
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: like that, Oh my god, just keep me here. Kevin

883
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: the other thing. He like, he he feels so much

884
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: more comfortable now in this defense. Oh he's been here.

885
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: This is his fifth year. It sure seems like he

886
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: gets along phenomenally with like another coach on the field,

887
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: right right right. And I said to him, I said,

888
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: this has to be such a change for you from

889
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: what you had in Cleveland, where they were changing coaching

890
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: staffs every two years. He goes, going back to my time,

891
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: it was like every every year all the time, you know,

892
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: he said. So the new coaches would come in, they

893
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: bring their guys with him. Yeah, they would blow up

894
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: everything because well, you guys sucked before, we're gonna fix this,

895
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: you know. And so you had to prove yourself every

896
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: year to a new coaching staff, and it was a

897
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: new system that you had to learn, and so everything

898
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: was new every years. It was an abysmal run of

899
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: twenty years of doing You're not learning from your mistakes,

900
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: and you look at the Steelers right down the road

901
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: with the stability, and you don't learn from that, you know,

902
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: And even ownership came from Steelers like what you're doing,

903
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm sure it's it's different if you okay,

904
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: this higher we know is a miss. Well, that's your

905
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: fault for making them bad higher first of all, and

906
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: then not giving you know, to just to keep doing

907
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: it over and over and over. And even when they

908
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: were doing that total tank job, the Sashi trade everything

909
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: for picks. I sort of understood it. And Wolf and

910
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: I had a good conversation about you and I've talked

911
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: about a million times. You destroy the culture by doing that.

912
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, the cam Heywards of the world,

913
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose for a couple of years. Be cool

914
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: with that. No, not that I only get players only

915
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: have so long, right, but why not at least keep

916
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: the Joe Hayden's and the Mitchell schwartz Is that are

917
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: expensive positions. You can still lose a lot of games

918
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: with a good right tackle with their culture guys and

919
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: their culture guys built around those couples. As he said

920
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: in in this meeting, Brown Hey, we love what you're

921
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: doing here. You're a great in the locker room, you're

922
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: great in the community. You do all this stuff. Doesn't

923
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: have a shoe shopping Cleveland or something to But you know,

924
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, but that's just to me. Is

925
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: like one of the best recent examples of bad organization

926
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: verse good organization. Like you're gonna give me this gift,

927
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: I'll gladly take it, you know. And I think that's

928
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: a big reason why the Steelers still have a little

929
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: bit of cat money floating around, as if some organization

930
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: thinks they're too smart for their own good cuts a

931
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 1: good player, that's a quality human being. Yeah, we'll give

932
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: you five million or whatever if you need b or

933
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 1: two million or whatever. If you were the Steelers, would

934
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: you extend him another year? That's a tough conversation, I see.

935
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: I think you can do it in a manner in which, hey,

936
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: if he falls off the cliff, he falls off the cliff,

937
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: and it's you know, very team friendly. But you love

938
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: but you love the player. He loves it here. You

939
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: know how old is he's thirty two. Yeah, I wouldn't

940
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: know if he was thirty one or thirty two, but

941
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: his game was never his game was never built on speed.

942
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: It's above the safety. I've talked to him about it

943
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: in the past, and he has no interest in playing safety,

944
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: and he would have to be a free and they

945
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: don't have room for free and he's yeah to me,

946
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: I think you would still you could still find ways

947
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: to get him on the field and your nickel and dime. Oh,

948
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: I would imagine. I mean, unless he's horrendous this year. Yeah,

949
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: And I'm not suggesting he's gonna be horrendous this year,

950
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: but he could be bad this year. There's but there's

951
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: always that there any any player in the team could

952
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: be bad this year. I'm just talking about a thirty

953
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: two year old corner you know what I mean. He's

954
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: but there are some guys that can plain it on

955
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: borrow time, like, yeah, there's no doubt. Um, I just

956
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: look at it as as he said, He's like, look,

957
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: I know the entire defense. Now I've been here for

958
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: five years. It's not like where when I was in Cleveland,

959
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: where I was just learning how to play cornerback every year,

960
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: how these guys wanted me to play cornerback. Now I

961
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 1: haven't understanding of the entire defense. Um, I think you know,

962
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: if you had to move him, you know, make him

963
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: your your nickel corner or your or you're dying, you know.

964
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: Don't how they handle the slot again, they don't need

965
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: a slot at the moment either. I mean, he's very

966
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: comfortable on the outside. It's less banging. I mean, I

967
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: don't think slots have long careers. No, I don't know.

968
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I don't know if that would

969
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: be good for him. But what I would be looking

970
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: for from him this year or my worry signs would

971
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: be Odell, Marquis Brown, Jamaar Chase. I'm just staying in

972
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: the division. If he's really playing off those guys that

973
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: can all run and has given up a lot of

974
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: stuff underneath, and he's playing afraid to get beat over

975
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 1: the top, that would be a red flag for me.

976
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: I think that's something to watch, you know, when when

977
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: those type of receivers line up opposite him, but they

978
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: play a lot of man, you know, is he is

979
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: going to get why with technique and realize that minko

980
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: over the top makes his life a lot more feasible.

981
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: You make it makes a lot of problems. Right. Caden

982
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: has twenty nine career interceptions, so you'd hate to give

983
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: up on him. Yeah, I'm not saying just sending him

984
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: on his way and tell him go all his life's

985
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: work because he is important and they picked him over Nelson.

986
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: Do you know that's basically a fact. And so how

987
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: its structured, the deal and how you give it to him,

988
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: and it certainly can't prohibit you from developing or not.

989
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: You'd always develop Pierre Lane or passing on a first

990
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: round corner, maybe you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure,

991
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: but we're gonna take another break. He is Matt Williamson

992
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: um Dale, Lali, you were listening to the drive here

993
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. Will be back with the Hour

994
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: two right after this