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Speaker 1: Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard McClane Smith, where

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Speaker 1: for the weeks in between episodes, we look at stories

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Speaker 1: and ideas that, for one reason or other, didn't make

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Speaker 1: it into the previous show. In last week's episode, Tears

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Speaker 1: Idle Tears, we heard the strange tale of the Immaculate

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Speaker 1: Heart of Mary sculpture, which some believe cried real tears

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Speaker 1: over the course of four intense days in the town

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Speaker 1: of Syracusa in Sicily in nineteen fifty three. Throughout the years,

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Speaker 1: many have claimed to witness similar religious artifacts engaged in

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Speaker 1: equally miraculous behavior, to the point where it might almost

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Speaker 1: seem commonplace. The Weeping Madonna of Syracusa, however, remains the

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Speaker 1: only such artifact to formally recognized by the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 1: In terms of the genre we might call the strange

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Speaker 1: and unexplained. With regards to stories that have a particularly

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Speaker 1: religious angle, I find tales of crying inanimate objects to

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Speaker 1: be at the more interesting end of the scale. But

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Speaker 1: if we're looking for something a little more shocking, few

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Speaker 1: apparent miraculous occurrences can compare to the claimed phenomena of stigmata.

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Speaker 1: For something so well known it's interesting that apparent cases

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Speaker 1: of stigmata, the sudden appearance of wounds on an individual

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Speaker 1: mimicking those that are said to have been endured by

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ during his alleged crucifixion, are in fact few

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Speaker 1: and far between. It is said that Saint Francis of

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Speaker 1: Assisi was the first person to endure such a thing,

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Speaker 1: having apparently been marked by the stigmata at the end

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Speaker 1: of a forty day fast he conducted in the year

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Speaker 1: twelve twenty four. Since then, only about thirty or so

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Speaker 1: people have seriously claimed to have suffered from it, and

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Speaker 1: perhaps the most famous of them all was a man

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Speaker 1: His name was Francesco for Joni, or as he would

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Speaker 1: later be known, Padre Pio. One morning in May nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty one, a letter sent from the Holy Office of

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Speaker 1: the Vatican arrived at the episcopal residence of newly installed

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Speaker 1: Bishop of Voltaire RAPHAELI Rossi. The Holy Office, formerly known

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Speaker 1: as the Roman Inquisition, was the department of the Catholic

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Speaker 1: Church tasked with, among other things, preserving Catholic doctrine and

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Speaker 1: assessing accusations against members of the clergy to determine whether

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Speaker 1: regarding this latter responsibility that the forty four year old

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Speaker 1: Bishop Rossi had been contacted. As the letter went on

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Speaker 1: to explain, it had come to the Vatican's attention that

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Speaker 1: Capuchin priest Padre Pio, who resided at Our Lady of

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Speaker 1: was claiming to be suffering from stigmata. These stigmata wounds

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Speaker 1: were so substantial that you could see right through them.

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Speaker 1: It was all said to have started back in nineteen eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Since then, the church had received a number of complaints

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Speaker 1: To his supporters, Po was also a mystic who had

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Speaker 1: the power of healing, and also by location, the supposed

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Speaker 1: With things threatening to get out of hand, the church

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Speaker 1: had no option but to conduct a formal investigation of

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Speaker 1: later noted, Rossi's first impressions of Po were that he

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Speaker 1: goodness and sincerity in his face. His hands he kept

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Speaker 1: age of five he experienced terrifying visions of God and

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Speaker 1: to Bishop Rossy, he was so embarroedt to be blessed

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Speaker 1: Pio was conscripted into the army, but eventually discharged due

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen, Pope Benedict the fifteenth encouraged people to pray

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Speaker 1: Pio explained to Bishop Rossi as he tugged herself consciously

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Speaker 1: A few days later, after celebrating mass, Pio was singing

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Speaker 1: As Po stared on in amazement, the vision of Christ

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Speaker 1: At Bishop Rossi's request, Padre Po then pulled back one

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Speaker 1: seemed to be about to disappear, only to suddenly grow

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Speaker 1: to have bled recently. Bishop Rossy spent a total of

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Speaker 1: eight days observing Padre Pio and talking to his colleagues

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Speaker 1: With the Vatican unable to decide exactly what to make

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Speaker 1: Such was the strength of public opposition to this decision. However,

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Speaker 1: his lifetime, po Is said to have healed hundreds of people,

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Speaker 1: not limited to the apparent restoring of sight and curing

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Speaker 1: With the Vatican tacit endorsement of Padre Pio's apparent stigmata

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Speaker 1: Over five million people are said to have sought confession

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Speaker 1: so in twenty seven Padre Pio became Saint Pio of Pietrol, China.

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Speaker 1: The same year that Padre Pio was Canoni, Italian historian

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Speaker 1: Sergio Luzzato finally went public with some startling information that

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Speaker 1: And one thing is for sure. If that was the

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Speaker 1: pain that Padre Pio had been tasked with enduring for

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